OT: Death

[Atrocities]

I was thinking today while watching Sphere the movie, (The book was way better) and it occured to me that death could be what we imagine it to be.

For example, if you believe that when you die you will given 100 virgans and live in paradise for ever, then that is exactly what will happen.

However if you believe that you are going to hell, then hell will be waiting for you when you die.

What if you believe that there is nothing after death? Well then there isn't.

What if death is exactly what we believe it to be. A reward of a sort from life.

[Nocturnal]

Were you eating any strange mushrooms or oddly-colored popcorn while watching the movie?

[Atrocities]

Originally posted by Nocturnal:
Were you eating any strange mushrooms or oddly-colored popcorn while watching the movie? <font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">No, but now that you mention it, that browny I ate had some funny green stuff in it. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

Seriously, if you think about it, it does seem logical to think that what we believe death to be is exactly what it could be.

[geoschmo]

Atrocities, did you ever see the movie "What dreams may come" with Robin Williams? It's kind of along the lines of what you are thinking there. It's a very odd movie. Not everyone would like it, but I did a lot.

It would probably blow your mind though in your current contemplative state. You were warned. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

[Atrocities]

No I have not seen the movie, but I am familar with it. Anything Robin Williams does seems to be good. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Except Insomnia (sp) bad bad movie.

[gregebowman]

Well, I was raised to believe in heaven and hell. Either you're saved and go to Heaven, or you're not and go to Hell. But that's organized religion for you. So, although that's a nice thought Atrocities, I don't know if it's true. Of course, no one knows what will happen until the time of their death. And then it's too late to tell anyone. And if you get the chance, watch What Dreams May Come. Good movie. Haven't seen Imsonia yet. And I want to see One Hour Photo. That looks it would be the better picture of the two anyway.

[Atrocities]

The thing is we were all tought one thing or another and I think it is a way of preparing our minds for our eventual death.

I belong to a club whos members never asked to join, and because of my membership I have a unique prespective on death that I hope non of you will ever understand.

So to me death is the end of the game, and the thing is we know exactly how the game will end so the game no longer is important. It is the journey that now becomes the focus, not mans petty life and death rules, but mans life of experiences and enjoyments that are gained through kindness and self exploration.

We are afterall the sum of our experiences, and it will be those experiences that I think will determine what death will be for us.

[Gryphin]

If "Heaven" is what I think it should be then I have it made. Since I am adopting Wicca as my de facto Religion and Heaven is like they believe then cool I'm all set. At the moment I feel there aint no proof of anything so one can only hope.

"What Dreams are Made" is a great movie. I really enjoyed it.

[David E. Gervais]

What happens after Death? I believe that we become 'Coporeal Lurkers'. So many of us here in the forums are more than ready, and won't be too surprised. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Of course those of us who do more posting than lurking will be severely shocked when we are forced to lurk and have no way to 'affect' the world as we know it.

nuf said. Cheers! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

[Atrocities]

Remember the movie where the man says if you point a gun at me in your dreams, you had better wake up and apologize?

Well, if any one ever dreams a bad thing about this game, then they should wake up and apolozie. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

When I kick off, I would like to have my SE IV Gold, my Tribes 1 and 2 cds buried or creamated with me.

My big dream would be to have my ashes placed in a model of NCC 1701 and tossed out of the space shuttle into the oblivion of space.

(A few other things I want to come with me as well, but those are private.)

[PvK]

Originally posted by Atrocities:
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What if death is exactly what we believe it to be. A reward of a sort from life. <font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">If death is what we each hope it is, then I'd call it a reward.

If death is what we believe it to be, then I'd call it a cruel joke on pessimists.

My dad says he had a nightmare one, where he died and went to the afterworld, and it was full of terrible singing people with hair of terror - TV Evangelical Christians! Now that's a cruel fate!

PvK

[Atrocities]

Cruel would be to die and then wake up in your old life knowing exactly how it will go and being able to do nothing about it. Or at least that would be hell for me. Wait... I am in hell now!

You would think with all the bad luck I have had in my life, God blames me personally for the death of his son. As if I was the guy who tacked him to that cross or something.

If I was, I AM SORRY! Ok, so lighten up on me God!

Seriously, if you have not read the book Sphere, you should consider doing so. Especially if you have not seen the movie. It is very easy to believe that life, and death, are what we believe them to be.

[ February 27, 2004, 16:39: Message edited by: Atrocities ]

[gregebowman]

I've read Sphere, but that was a few years ago and I don't remember all of the details. I'll take your word for it, because I think that was one of Crichton's worse books. I didn't really care for it enough to read it again.

[Atrocities]

I read most of his books and I would have to say that it was a nice read. Better than most books I read that year by far. Well except for the Alchemist. That boook was goood.

[Aiken]

I'm blindly believe that I will newer die, and will live forever. Am I?

[Atrocities]

Originally posted by aiken:
I'm blindly believe that I will newer die, and will live forever. Am I? <font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Anything is possible man. If it just happens in your reality, then its real. To the rest of us, you'll be gone, but to you, if you believe, then life goes on forever. But the caveat (sp) would be that you would always know that death is coming so you will always die. So I would say practically no. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif

[Siegebreaker]

Originally posted by Atrocities:




You would think with all the bad luck I have had in my life, God blames me personally for the death of his son. As if I was the guy who tacked him to that cross or something.

If I was, I AM SORRY! <font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Who says he have a son?
Oh wait, we are his sons!

I hope you aren't taking seriuously that crappy movie that started Last Wednesday.
That movie doesn't deserve your thoughts, not your time, least of all your money.

Go and watch Return of the King again instead. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

[Siegebreaker]

Originally posted by gregebowman:
I've read Sphere, but that was a few years ago and I don't remember all of the details. I'll take your word for it, because I think that was one of Crichton's worse books. I didn't really care for it enough to read it again. <font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">So there is a movie about this book?
Is it in the theaters now?

[Intimidator]

You guys talked about "What dreams may come" great movie about the afterlife (After I saw that movie I kept thinking about it for 7 days straight, with some mushroom help indeed http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif )

But back to the subject: don't forget the film "Flatliners", another strange view on Death.
(did not dare to sleep with a girl for over 2 years http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif )

See ya all, In space or after.........

[capnq]

Sphere {link} (http://imdb.com/title/tt0120184/) came out in 1998.

I believe that our beliefs about the afterlife are crude approximations; the reality will exceed anything we can imagine.

[Atrocities]

Originally posted by SB:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Originally posted by gregebowman:
I've read Sphere, but that was a few years ago and I don't remember all of the details. I'll take your word for it, because I think that was one of Crichton's worse books. I didn't really care for it enough to read it again. <font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">So there is a movie about this book?
Is it in the theaters now? </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">The movie is not very good, but still ok for a friday night flick. The book goes much deeper into what the sphere is actually allowing them to do and how they manipulate each other.

[Atrocities]

Originally posted by SB:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Originally posted by Atrocities:




You would think with all the bad luck I have had in my life, God blames me personally for the death of his son. As if I was the guy who tacked him to that cross or something.

If I was, I AM SORRY! <font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Who says he have a son?
Oh wait, we are his sons!

I hope you aren't taking seriuously that crappy movie that started Last Wednesday.
That movie doesn't deserve your thoughts, not your time, least of all your money.

Go and watch Return of the King again instead. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">I have absolutely no desire to see Mel's new movie. Just does not interest me in the slightest.

[Puke]

ugg, flatliners. i think there was a sequel, and if not, then there was atleast another terrible filem with an almost identical premise - came out Last year.

was called.. umm.. well, i cant remember what it was called. but it was about people dieing and coming back after cheating death, and death trying to catch up with them. they kept narrowly avoiding accidents and having near-misses with fatal situations. very silly. Not intentionally silly like Bill and Ted's Bogus Journey, but unintentionally silly.

I enjoyed Jacob's Ladder. Very good movie about death.

Personally, I dont think theres anything afterwards. All the stories to the contrary are concocted to encourage certain modes of behavior, or to either deffer or instill a sense of responsibility for events in your life. But you dont care what i think, and thats why god invented the 'ignore' list.

[narf poit chez BOOM]

well, P, in one of the earlier threads, i logically proved that i cannot be the result of random electro-magnetic fluctuations in my brain, but only one person understood what i was saying. he didn't agree with me, but i still proved it. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

[Kamog]

Seriously, if you think about it, it does seem logical to think that what we believe death to be is exactly what it could be. <font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">I thought about it but I don't understand why that would be logical? I don't think it matters what I think what death is going to be like. It's going to be what it is regardless of what I believe, wouldn't it?

[Sabin]

I heard one interesting idea about Heaven & Hell many months ago, and perhaps it may make for an interesting concept for some of you.

Basically, Heaven is a world with God(specific deity) and Hell is a world without God, and a human has the choice to pick between the two worlds, depending on his desires.

It is much like the typical Heaven & Hell explaination, but it seems different in how "bad" each possibility is, where they are instead equal choices that a human may choose.(Perhaps much like when a person likes or dislike specific condiments on a hamburger.)

[Atrocities]

Originally posted by Kamog:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Seriously, if you think about it, it does seem logical to think that what we believe death to be is exactly what it could be. <font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">I thought about it but I don't understand why that would be logical? I don't think it matters what I think what death is going to be like. It's going to be what it is regardless of what I believe, wouldn't it? </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">What if your wrong and you have imagined death to be nothing more than unawared darkness?

I mean why can't death be what we want it to be? The theory is sound, and can not be disproven, or proven.

[EvilGenius4ABetterTomorro]

I've been having serious thoughts lately about other dimensions. Just as a shadow is a 2 dimensional representation of lights effect on something in the 3 dimensional world, maybe we are representative of something in a higher dimension. Life is a shadow of our soul existing in a higher dimension. If you read about the description of "The Garden of Eden" with no hunger, no pain, no adverse environmental effects; it kinda sounds like "The Afterlife". I bet our punishment was to exist in the material world for the Apple/Tree of Knowledge snake thingy. You only go to hell if you hitch a ride on the Event Horizon spaceship

[Siegebreaker]

Originally posted by EvilGenius4ABetterTomorro:
I bet our punishment was to exist in the material world for the Apple/Tree of Knowledge snake thingy. <font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">It was the "Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil", not just the tree of knowledge. It's suppose to be about knowing how to do "Good" or "Evil", not about having knowledge as in technological knowledge.
Or so my dad says. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif


Originally posted by EvilGenius4ABetterTomorro:

You only go to hell if you hitch a ride on the Event Horizon spaceship <font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Yeah, I had forgotten about this one. Nice B-movie.

[ March 02, 2004, 20:29: Message edited by: SB ]

[narf poit chez BOOM]

Originally posted by EvilGenius4ABetterTomorro:
I bet our punishment was to exist in the material world for the Apple/Tree of Knowledge snake thingy. <font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Well, us mormons view the whole 'ate the fruit' thing as a nessasary act to further our progression, seeing as conflict is nessasary for a person to be tested.