Moon Disaster

[Kevin Arisa]

I need help. In my mod for some strange reason I have tiny planets being orbited by large ones. This is a serious problem because players are starting on whatever planet is considered the primary. I am having players starting on tiny planets because it thinks the planet it is supposed to be on is a moon! HELP! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/confused.gif

[Yef]

Now you have really messed something up. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

(Sorry, couldn't help to take a cheap shot at this. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/confused.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif )

[Baal]

But that's so badass. Instead of starting on a planet the size of Jupiter you are starting on Endor or something like that.

It makes resource management that much more critical. That would be a cool PBW type of game.

[Kevin Arisa]

My mod has already increased the difficulty of resource management. To put it simply, starting on a tiny planet you cannot even build a colony ship and are doomed.

[Phoenix-D]

The game doesn't do any physics. In other words if you specify the moon first in the system file it WILL be listed as the primary planet even though it is smaller.

[Kevin Arisa]

Here is an example of one entry:

Name := Standard 4
Description := Standard solar system.
System Physical Type := Normal
Background Bitmap := Starmap.bmp
Empires Can Start In := TRUE
Mask Background Objs := FALSE
Non-Tiled Center Pic := FALSE
Number of Abilities := 0
WP Stellar Abil Type := Radioactive Warp Point
Number of System Objs := 10
Obj 1 Physical Type := Star
Obj 1 Position := Ring 1
Obj 1 Stellar Abil Type := Normal Star
Obj 1 Size := Any
Obj 1 Age := Any
Obj 1 Color := Any
Obj 1 Luminosity := Any
Obj 2 Physical Type := Planet
Obj 2 Position := Ring 2
Obj 2 Stellar Abil Type := Normal Planet
Obj 2 Size := Small
Obj 2 Atmosphere := None
Obj 2 Composition := Rock
Obj 3 Physical Type := Planet
Obj 3 Position := Ring 4
Obj 3 Stellar Abil Type := Normal Planet
Obj 3 Size := Medium
Obj 3 Atmosphere := Any
Obj 3 Composition := Rock
Obj 4 Physical Type := Planet
Obj 4 Position := Ring 5
Obj 4 Stellar Abil Type := Obscuring Planet
Obj 4 Size := Huge
Obj 4 Atmosphere := Any
Obj 4 Composition := Any
Obj 5 Physical Type := Planet
Obj 5 Position := Ring 5
Obj 5 Stellar Abil Type := Normal Planet
Obj 5 Size := Any
Obj 5 Atmosphere := Any
Obj 5 Composition := Any
Obj 6 Physical Type := Planet
Obj 6 Position := Ring 6
Obj 6 Stellar Abil Type := Normal Planet
Obj 6 Size := Any
Obj 6 Atmosphere := Any
Obj 6 Composition := Any
Obj 7 Physical Type := Planet
Obj 7 Position := Ring 6
Obj 7 Stellar Abil Type := Normal Planet
Obj 7 Size := Large
Obj 7 Atmosphere := Any
Obj 7 Composition := Ice
Obj 8 Physical Type := Asteroids
Obj 8 Position := Ring 3
Obj 8 Stellar Abil Type := Normal Asteroids
Obj 8 Size := Any
Obj 8 Atmosphere := Any
Obj 8 Composition := Any
Obj 9 Physical Type := Planet
Obj 9 Position := Same As 3
Obj 9 Stellar Abil Type := Normal Planet
Obj 9 Size := Tiny
Obj 9 Atmosphere := None
Obj 9 Composition := Rock
Obj 10 Physical Type := Planet
Obj 10 Position := Same As 7
Obj 10 Stellar Abil Type := Normal Planet
Obj 10 Size := Tiny
Obj 10 Atmosphere := None
Obj 10 Composition := Ice

[TNZ]

I’m not a 100% sure on this but if the planets do not share the same ring positions you should not get any moons. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

[Kevin Arisa]

I don't want to get rid of the moons. I just want to find out why the moons are messing up so I can fix them.

[Fyron]

Planets in the same ring are only placed in the same sector if every spot in that ring is already filled. It is this line that makes moons:

"Obj 10 Position := Same As 7"

I suggest changing the description to something like "TEST SYSTEM" for one system, generate a map, see if that system is causing tiny HWs. Do this until you find all systems that are making tiny HWs. The system you posted looks fine to me.

[Roanon]

That still doesn't explain why the tiny moon becomes the main planet, and is selected for homeworld. I know of problems with medium-sized moons in FQM, but this seems to be something different?

[Atrocities]

In the very first Star Trek Final Frontier game I started on a moon. That sucked bottom, but I kept playing and was soon reward. I was conquered by the Borg.

[Taz-in-Space]

In the very first Star Trek Final Frontier game I started on a moon. That sucked bottom, but I kept playing and was soon reward. I was conquered by the Borg. <font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">No, Wait! Let me guess:
RESISTANCE WAS FUTILE?!! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

[Fyron]

Originally posted by Roanon:
That still doesn't explain why the tiny moon becomes the main planet, and is selected for homeworld. <font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">No, but it will narrow down the search for which particular systems are the problem.

I know of problems with medium-sized moons in FQM, but this seems to be something different? <font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">That problem is no longer existant in FQM. It was worked around long ago. Systems with medium sized moons can not be home systems, ever, in FQM.

[ April 04, 2004, 06:12: Message edited by: Imperator Fyron ]

[Kevin Arisa]

Thanks for the suggestions. I will have to test these things out. The reason the tiny planet is chosen for the homeworld I have found is because the the tiny planet is primary. All the other planets have XII A or XII B etc. I have seen systems where the size of orbiters is reversed, going from tiny to huge. I spent hours looking at the files and all of the system entries look just as functional as that one I posted. I have found no cause for this glitch. For the time being I have limited starting players to systems with no moons.