CD Burning Speed

[Fyron]

After recently upgrading from the mire of XP to win 2000, my 48x CD burner now takes 6.5 minutes to burn CDs at 48x, which is about the speed of 16x burning. I tried using the Device Manager to update the drivers for the drive, but that accomplished nothing. Any ideas as to why my CD burner now burns so slowly, and how to fix it?

[Aiken]

Have you tried another CD-Burning tools? It can be your burning software problem, not the OS dependent one.

[Fyron]

It is the same burning software I was using before. That should not be an issue.

[JayBdey]

What program are you using to burn the CD?

[Fyron]

Nero Burning Rom.

[Suicide Junkie]

16x is a typical max speed for CDRWs, and older CD-Rs.

Are you sure its not the disk's limit you're seeing?

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Also, you may just have to reset the default speed settings in the software back up to 48x...

[Kevin Arisa]

That's strange. I am running XP and I use Nero. I only have a 24x burner but it only takes it about 3 or 4 minutes to burn a cd. My only guess is that either Nero or your device drivers were optomized for XP and there is enough of a difference between XP and 2000 to effect it. Either that or 2000 is simply not giving Nero a high enough priority and is getting too few system resources. Maybe you should check into that. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/confused.gif

[Fyron]

Originally posted by Suicide Junkie:
16x is a typical max speed for CDRWs, and older CD-Rs.

Are you sure its not the disk's limit you're seeing?<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">The CD-Rs are 48x. They burnt in about 2.5 minutes before I installed Windows 2000.

Also, you may just have to reset the default speed settings in the software back up to 48x... <font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">It says 48x in the burn speed before I start burning the CD.

[Aiken]

Btw, Fyron, precise information about CD-R drive vendor/model and Nero Version could help us http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

[Paul1980au]

Perhaps yu need to raise the max burning speed - or perhaps some issues with the upgraded windows are the order of the day - you could try gettign a hold of the latest Version of nero.

[Slynky]

Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:
After recently upgrading from the mire of XP to win 2000, my 48x CD burner now takes 6.5 minutes to burn CDs at 48x, which is about the speed of 16x burning. I tried using the Device Manager to update the drivers for the drive, but that accomplished nothing. Any ideas as to why my CD burner now burns so slowly, and how to fix it? <font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Of course, on the lighter side, that might make one check mark for the XP you hate so much. (actually, considering your stance on XP and W2K, surprised you even had it at all)

[Fyron]

I got it for free from my university... had to try it to know how to bash it better, afterall. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

[Fyron]

Originally posted by aiken:
Btw, Fyron, precise information about CD-R drive vendor/model and Nero Version could help us http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif <font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">I upgraded Nero to the latest Version, and flashed the firmware of the CD drive (Khypermedia 48x/24x/48x) to the latest Version. No change.

[Slynky]

Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:
I got it for free from my university... had to try it to know how to bash it better, afterall. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif <font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Well, that's certainly fair enough http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif . Kind of like trying out an American car and then wising up enough to go back to Japanese (uh-oh...do I see a can of worms being opened?).

Actually, to get back on topic...I don't burn mine at full speed anyway. For some unexplainalbe reason, I think I get better results and a wide variety of PCs by doing that...especially our (3-drive) CD duplicator at work.

[LonghornXtreme]

Fyron you might want to check and see if UDMA is activated in device manager for the IDE channel that your CD burner is hooked up to.

Right click on My computer then pick manage

then pick device manager

somewhere in the device manager list it should say IDE controller

then expand that and look for primary and secondary ide channel... even if you don't know which one your CDR is on you should be able to look at the properties of both IDE channels. Under their advanced tabs make sure "DMA if available" is set. If the drives are not running in UDMA mode then that's most likely the problem as the drive is not getting information into it fast enough to burn at high speed...

Lemme know if that helps...

[Roanon]

Yep, sounds like that standard 2000 pitfall. DMA is, for reasons unknown to everyone except probably the crazy mind of the antichrist B.G. himself, default OFF in 2000 after the installation.

[Atrocities]

Originally posted by Roanon:
Yep, sounds like that standard 2000 pitfall. DMA is, for reasons unknown to everyone except probably the crazy mind of the antichrist B.G. himself, default OFF in 2000 after the installation. <font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Really I have no idea what you just said. I must be over tired or something because I could not make sense of it. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/confused.gif

[Fyron]

Well, I enabled it, but I do not have anything to burn, so... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

[Aiken]

Translation: DMA support for IDE drives is off by default in windows 2000. And it's a great sin of Bill Gates, obviously http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

[Aiken]

Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:
Well, I enabled it, but I do not have anything to burn, so... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif <font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">I don't believe you. It's simply impossible.
Look around, there must be something maden of wood or paper.

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

[Fyron]

*burns the chair on which Aiken sits*

With DMA, burning speed is back to normal! Sorry Slynky, no check for XP! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

[narf poit chez BOOM]

Fyron's stealing my lines! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

[David E. Gervais]

I noticed that when my computer boots, it says secondary IDE Ultra DMA capable but not enabled.

does this mean that I should check my bios and see if there is a toggle in there?

Just curious, it takes about 6-7 mins for me to burn a CD at 48x and judging from the Posts here it should be faster.

Cheers! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

[narf poit chez BOOM]

Anyone know how to turn on DMA in XP?

[Fyron]

Originally posted by narf poit chez BOOM:
Anyone know how to turn on DMA in XP? <font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Is it not the same as in 2000?

Originally posted by David E. Gervais:
I noticed that when my computer boots, it says secondary IDE Ultra DMA capable but not enabled.

does this mean that I should check my bios and see if there is a toggle in there? <font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Yes, you definitely need to enable DMA. But, do it from within Windows, not BIOS. XP and 2000 tend to ignore the BIOS at every turn (as all modern OS do).

[ June 16, 2004, 01:43: Message edited by: Imperator Fyron ]

[narf poit chez BOOM]

I've never used 2000.

[David E. Gervais]

I'm running WinXP Home, when I check my IDE devices it says..

transfer mode:DMA if available
(Current Mode:PIO)

there is no option to force DMA, I suspect it's because the BIOS has UDMA Disabled. I don't see how windows would be able to 'bypass' BIOS since BIOS is the very first thing that is loaded.

If any of you know where I should look to togle DMA on in WinXP, please let me know.

,.. I just checked my MB manual and I was wrong, when my computer boots it doesn't say "UDMA capable but not enabled." It says, "S.M.A.R.T Capable but not Enabled." Is this the thing that I should toggle on in my BIOS? Is this what will allow WinXP to use the DMA access for the HD and CD-ROM?

Thanks for any feedback, Cheers! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

[Fyron]

Narf:
Scroll down a few Posts to find the procedure. It is on the first page as of this posting.

I don't see how windows would be able to 'bypass' BIOS since BIOS is the very first thing that is loaded. <font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Windows, Linux, BSD, etc. all ignore half of the BIOS settings, especially related to IRQs and such, once the OS is booted. It does not bypass it, it just uses its own values for some of the settings once loaded.

[Phoenix-D]

SMART has nothing to do with DMA. Its a hard drive monitoring tool that is supposed to detect drive failures before they get serious.

[Aiken]

David, please check if you have the latest MB drivers installed, I've seen such effects on newer mb when no proper chipset drivers were installed.

[ June 16, 2004, 04:37: Message edited by: aiken ]

[Sivran]

Originally posted by Roanon:
Yep, sounds like that standard 2000 pitfall. DMA is, for reasons unknown to everyone except probably the crazy mind of the antichrist B.G. himself, default OFF in 2000 after the installation. <font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">This is also true in Win98 and presumably is OFF for compatiblity with "legacy" hardware. Often Windows will tell you that the drive is running in "DOS Compatibility mode" if this setting is off, but should be on.

Then again, it might've just been this crazy Dell. I don't *remember* ever turning DMA on for my other machine's hard drives, which are definitely UDMA.

[narf poit chez BOOM]

Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:
Narf:
Scroll down a few Posts to find the procedure. It is on the first page as of this posting.<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Thanks. DMA was on anyway. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

[LonghornXtreme]

Having your CD drive running in PIO mode would definitely explain those slower burnning times... but then again don't expect to get too much faster burn times... the 40x or whatever specificaiton is mostly insignificant nowadays as the drives are spinning the disks so fast that any faster and the media itself starts to break apart.....

The procedure for turning on DMA is the same as I described earlier in the post (and written looking at the settings on an XP home laptop)... In my experience i can't recall any BIOS settings required for DMA mode... but then again I could be wrong...

even linux requires you set it in the OS and not through hardware toggles...