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Richard
August 8th, 2004, 11:37 AM
Okay I am going to make some changes as requested to the current board upgrade. I do plan on adding a reverse order option again, however this is a code change and will require some design time.

One of the REALLY nice things about going to UBB Threads is since it is in php, and php is easy to code in, we can make hacks a lot easier than before.

Right now I have bumped the text size to 10, from 12 as it was before, to see what folks think.

I have also added an unlimited time edit to the SE:IV Board. You should be able to edit your Posts dating back forever. Let me know if this doesn't work...

Richard
August 8th, 2004, 12:46 PM
Post#283226 (http://69.56.133.54:81/threads/showthreaded.php?Number=283226)

Richard
August 8th, 2004, 12:47 PM
I have added a quick UBB Code for a "Post Link" to help in getting back some of the links to individual Posts. It works like the URL UBB post.

Slynky
August 8th, 2004, 02:45 PM
Right now I have bumped the text size to 10, from 12 as it was before, to see what folks think.




I prefer 12 (I'd rather scroll than squint!)

Loser
August 8th, 2004, 02:56 PM
I'll agree with that, scrolling is better than squinting.

Also, the old system gave us a little window on the page where we post replies in which we could scroll through the previous Posts.

Right now, typing this, I can only see the first post in this thread.

Fyron
August 8th, 2004, 03:23 PM
With the ability to choose a specific style sheet in your profile, it should be a snap for Richard to add a couple of "font size" styles, with the only differences being 8 pt, 10 pt, 12 pt, etc. fonts (as appropriate). This would be the optimal solution, rather than forcing the same font size on all Users.

Slynky
August 8th, 2004, 03:35 PM
With the ability to choose a specific style sheet in your profile, it should be a snap for Richard to add a couple of "font size" styles, with the only differences being 8 pt, 10 pt, 12 pt, etc. fonts (as appropriate). This would be the optimal solution, rather than forcing the same font size on all Users.



I agree wholeheartedly!

se5a
August 8th, 2004, 04:25 PM
yea! what fyron said!

Loser
August 8th, 2004, 04:36 PM
Odd, I can get to this thread, by clicking where it is listed as the Lastest post. But I get 'Page cannot be displayed' when I try to open the SE IV forum.

http://69.56.133.54:81/threads/postlist.php?Cat=&Board=UBB23

that's the one that won't come up.

hmmm... why is it using the IP and not a name?

[edit: still can't get to it]

Baron Grazic
August 9th, 2004, 12:53 AM
Sorry Richard, but the old board seemed to flow a lot better on the eye, and everything you needed was right were you needed it.
Just my 2 cents, which converted to US cents is less then 0.

Richard
August 9th, 2004, 12:56 AM
Sorry Richard, but the old board seemed to flow a lot better on the eye, and everything you needed was right were you needed it.
Just my 2 cents, which converted to US cents is less then 0.



No problem, of course we heard the same complaints the Last time we changed the Boards colors. In fact I think the Last time we changed the board to the previous look, we got the exact same comments we are getting now.

Baron Grazic
August 9th, 2004, 01:02 AM
Sorry Richard, but the old board seemed to flow a lot better on the eye, and everything you needed was right were you needed it.
Just my 2 cents, which converted to US cents is less then 0.



No problem, of course we heard the same complaints the Last time we changed the Boards colors. In fact I think the Last time we changed the board to the previous look, we got the exact same comments we are getting now.



Yep, I remember, although I liked the new look almost from the start.
I'll stop bothering you now, and go back to staring at the Beach and wishing it wasn't raining. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Richard
August 9th, 2004, 01:03 AM
Sorry Richard, but the old board seemed to flow a lot better on the eye, and everything you needed was right were you needed it.
Just my 2 cents, which converted to US cents is less then 0.



No problem, of course we heard the same complaints the Last time we changed the Boards colors. In fact I think the Last time we changed the board to the previous look, we got the exact same comments we are getting now.



Yep, I remember, although I liked the new look almost from the start.
I'll stop bothering you now, and go back to staring at the Beach and wishing it wasn't raining. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif



No, sorry to have sounded crabby, but it's late and I am pretty tired after getting very little sleep this weekend.

I wish I was at the Beach http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

Loser
August 9th, 2004, 01:36 AM
I still cannot see the SE IV forum. To get to the threads I click on the 'latest post' thing and use 'next' and 'previous' to get around.

Of course, this could be a problem with my computer.

Any advice?

Richard
August 9th, 2004, 02:11 AM
I still cannot see the SE IV forum. To get to the threads I click on the 'latest post' thing and use 'next' and 'previous' to get around.

Of course, this could be a problem with my computer.

Any advice?



Send me, via email, a screen of what you are seeing.

richard@shrapnelgames.com

Baron Munchausen
August 9th, 2004, 02:50 AM
Odd, I can get to this thread, by clicking where it is listed as the Lastest post. But I get 'Page cannot be displayed' when I try to open the SE IV forum.

http://69.56.133.54:81/threads/postlist.php?Cat=&Board=UBB23

that's the one that won't come up.

hmmm... why is it using the IP and not a name?

[edit: still can't get to it]



Because they have 'outsourced' their bulletin Boards. A reverse-DNS on that IP returns 'theplanet.com' as the owner, not Shrapnel Games. The Planet is apparently a large Internet Hosting service.

It seems to be working relatively well for me, but then I surf behind Proxomitron with a large set of filters. It could be removing or fixing all sorts of things for me that others cannot get around. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Fyron
August 9th, 2004, 02:56 AM
I don't think that is it. The only difference when I disable Proxomitron is that the ad banners at the top and bottom appear again. The forums look and function identically for me.

Richard
August 9th, 2004, 02:56 AM
Odd, I can get to this thread, by clicking where it is listed as the Lastest post. But I get 'Page cannot be displayed' when I try to open the SE IV forum.

http://69.56.133.54:81/threads/postlist.php?Cat=&Board=UBB23

that's the one that won't come up.

hmmm... why is it using the IP and not a name?

[edit: still can't get to it]



Because they have 'outsourced' their bulletin Boards. A reverse-DNS on that IP returns 'theplanet.com' as the owner, not Shrapnel Games. The Planet is apparently a large Internet Hosting service.

It seems to be working relatively well for me, but then I surf behind Proxomitron with a large set of filters. It could be removing or fixing all sorts of things for me that others cannot get around. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif



No our entire server farm as at The Planet. We are using the IP because we haven't reserved a name for this particular IP yet.

Renegade 13
August 9th, 2004, 03:10 AM
I just wanted to say Richard, thanks for all the hard work you and your team have obviously put into the Forum upgrades. I know that some people don't like some of the results (myself included), but I do know that we ALL greatly appreciate the time and effort that you've put into this, trying to make the Forums a more welcoming and pleasing place. Thanks a lot. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Mephisto
August 9th, 2004, 03:23 AM
I second this!

Perrin
August 9th, 2004, 09:43 AM
I agree. Like anything new it takes getting used to. And when it is time once again to change things we will all still make the same complaints that we did this Last time. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif

Gandalf Parker
August 9th, 2004, 10:38 AM
The WWW is like a herd of performing elephants with diarrhea
massive, awe-inspiring, entertaining, difficult to redirect,
and a source of mind boggling amounts of excrement when you least expect it.




I love the sig file. Great imagery.


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Basically you shoo them all in a particular direction by standing behind
them, waving your hands and making loud noises. Eventually one of them
might get there.</font>

WhiteHojo
August 9th, 2004, 04:32 PM
Any way to get bigger text size? this teeny tiny font is giving me a headache reading http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif

Phoenix-D
August 9th, 2004, 05:36 PM
Any way to get bigger text size? this teeny tiny font is giving me a headache reading http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif



Yep, switch to Firefox. For some stupid reason the text is much bigger in that browser.

On a more serious note, most browsers have text size settings. I have to say the "upgrade" hasn't been much of one so far. About the only plus is the return of file upload capability..

Ragnarok
August 9th, 2004, 06:04 PM
The forums look a whole lot better in IE then it does in Firefox. In fact I really like the way the forums look in IE, except for the fact there are no borders in the main root of a forum to seperate things. The big text in Firefox ruins the formatting and is a pain...Having to switch font size to smaller setting inside Firefox is even a bigger pain as then you need to switch it for other sites yet again. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif

Again, fix that problem and then get it to where the order of Posts is optional and I will be really happy with the forums.

Slynky
August 9th, 2004, 06:25 PM
Having commented about the "Who's Online" being one more click away than it used to be, I also see that it shows EVERYONE on, not just the people in the SE4 forum...another negative.

Fyron
August 9th, 2004, 07:49 PM
Guys, if you want to report a bug, by all means, report it. But please limit such Posts to just the report. Let's stop being so negative, and saying everything sucks, or everything is "another negative," or everything is worse, etc., etc., etc. Such comments are not productive, at all. Further, I doubt that Richard needs any more stress right now. Upgrading the forums to a totally different type of software is extremely labor intensive, as is fixing most bugs. Please make his life easier. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

EDIT: "please such limit"? ack!

Slynky
August 9th, 2004, 07:59 PM
Guys, if you want to report a bug, by all means, report it. But please such limit Posts to just the report. Let's stop being so negative, and saying everything sucks, or everything is "another negative," or everything is worse, etc., etc., etc. Such comments are not productive, at all. Further, I doubt that Richard needs any more stress right now. Upgrading the forums to a totally different type of software is extremely labor intensive, as is fixing most bugs. Please make his life easier. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif



First of all, I appreciate Richard's concern for trying to make a new product work in much the same way as it did before while bringing better capabilities. Secondly, I appreciate your level-headedness in this comment.

However, since your response came on the heels of my comment, I don't want you to take it the wrong way. When I said, negative, I meant that as an comment in a very objective way. I didn't mean for my comment to be taken as, "This sucks". I meant (plainly) that it was a negative on the great "tally-board" of pros and cons that have been listed in various places. And, since I am on the subject, it's a plain fact that viewing people who were Online in THIS forum was much easier with the old BB.

I voted in the poll and I voted that the change was necessary. I just want to list the things that I don't like in hopes that (1) they CAN be fixed and (2) enough people voice an opinion about it that it WILL be fixed/altered.

Fyron
August 9th, 2004, 08:03 PM
Slynky, my comment was not meant to be directed towards you specifically, just towards the general trend in Posts related to the forum upgrade. This is why I clicked on the Reply button of the initial post in this thread, so that it would not appear directly after yours in "threaded mode." I apologize for any miscommunication. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

In other news, we can now delete our own Posts! Weee!!! (Richard, there is an armada of Phong warships waiting for you if you decide to remove this ability... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif j/k)

Loser
August 9th, 2004, 08:05 PM
There is another thing I would like to see return, when time is found to bring it back. No rush.

It would be nice to have the thread to which I am replying visible in the reply window, so that I can scroll through it to copy and paste or whatever.

Also, there used to be a link, in the reply page, to the thread itself. This was nice for 'right-click, Open in New Window', so that the thread could be browsed easily while a reply window is still open.

Again, no rush, just a low-priority request.
In other news, we can now delete our own Posts! Weee!!! (Richard, there is an armada of Phong warships waiting for you if you decide to remove this ability... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif j/k)

I have to wonder if this new feature will inspire Hadrian to return to finish the self-erasure he started.

Slynky
August 9th, 2004, 08:14 PM
Slynky, my comment was not meant to be directed towards you specifically, just towards the general trend in Posts related to the forum upgrade. This is why I clicked on the Reply button of the initial post in this thread, so that it would not appear directly after yours in "threaded mode." I apologize for any miscommunication. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

In other news, we can now delete our own Posts! Weee!!! (Richard, there is an armada of Phong warships waiting for you if you decide to remove this ability... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif j/k)



I guess it was the use of the word, "negative", in your response that made me feel like it was directed toward me.

As a person who works in IT and helps decide on the configuration of new PC software (Ghost) images, I am fully aware of the aggravation of trying to make everyone happy with changes. I don't envy anyone in that position. So, perhaps I should have been "nicer" instead of "blunt".

Thanks, Fyron, for reminding me that I may be a bit guilty of the same things I get upset at "my" Users for doing. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Raging Deadstar
August 9th, 2004, 09:38 PM
To be brutally honest i did prefer the old forum on practically every account on a personal Opinion and would have rather they hadn't changed it.

But I recognise that Richard and Shrapnel upgraded to provide us with a better community and have put a lot of dam work in to it. Sure i might have preferred the old forum but i certainly am very grateful that the people at shrapnel put this much effort into improving these Boards and creating a better community.

So although I don't particularly like this upgrade I'll get used to it (with some editing to make it more firefox friendly http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif) and I am thankful of Richards and all those involved efforts in this to provide and upgrade this community http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif I'm sure most here are as well.

Richard
August 9th, 2004, 09:47 PM
To be brutally honest i did prefer the old forum on practically every account on a personal Opinion and would have rather they hadn't changed it.

But I recognise that Richard and Shrapnel upgraded to provide us with a better community and have put a lot of dam work in to it. Sure i might have preferred the old forum but i certainly am very grateful that the people at shrapnel put this much effort into improving these Boards and creating a better community.

So although I don't particularly like this upgrade I'll get used to it (with some editing to make it more firefox friendly http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif) and I am thankful of Richards and all those involved efforts in this to provide and upgrade this community http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif I'm sure most here are as well.



Actually I am viewing it in Firefox now to see what it looks like. I haven't had a chance to try any of the new open source browsers since I used to use Opera.

Baron Munchausen
August 10th, 2004, 12:38 AM
I don't see any 'Post Reply' buttons not attached to specific Posts. Can't we post a 'general' reply in a thread anymore without directing it to a specific previous post?

Loser
August 10th, 2004, 01:50 AM
I don't see any 'Post Reply' buttons not attached to specific Posts. Can't we post a 'general' reply in a thread anymore without directing it to a specific previous post?

I believe that to do so, in a threaded message board, you must reply to the post that started the topic.

Renegade 13
August 10th, 2004, 03:14 AM
Have any font changes been made? I logged in tonight (using Firefox, which I have used for a while now), and the font size is much smaller (and nicer to read) than it was when I signed in this morning. The smaller font is great for my 20/20 eyes at 1024x768. I'm just a little curious.

Richard
August 10th, 2004, 06:12 AM
There's a new config feature in your MyHome that will allow you to choose how Posts are shown in showflat (ie Newest or Oldest First).

Mephisto
August 10th, 2004, 07:40 AM
Thanks Richard! It's working great! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Raging Deadstar
August 10th, 2004, 09:54 AM
*bows*

The right order has returned! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/smirk.gif

Thanks Richard, and thanks for making it look more firefox friendly http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Ragnarok
August 10th, 2004, 10:30 AM
Yes, thank you Richard for all your work in making everyone happy. The option of chosing which post displays first is a great feature and I official love the new forums. Having everything display in Firefox better now makes the formatting issue not so noticable. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif Thanks again!

Atrocities
August 10th, 2004, 11:35 AM
Richard,

One thing I would suggest is reverse the Viewed and Posts on the forum thread lists.

Do you think it would be best read as POSTs first then Viewed second? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif (From an astetic POV that is.)

Baron Munchausen
August 10th, 2004, 11:46 AM
If you're taking requests, could we have a 'mark all as read' or 'update Last read pointers' button? Sometimes you don't want to have to enter every single thread to clear the 'new Messages' marker -- whatever it might be, graphic or color change.

Fyron
August 10th, 2004, 12:08 PM
If you're taking requests, could we have a 'mark all as read' or 'update Last read pointers' button? Sometimes you don't want to have to enter every single thread to clear the 'new Messages' marker -- whatever it might be, graphic or color change.

There is already one there in My Home (the main page), below the descriptions of the various preferences sections.

Fyron
August 10th, 2004, 12:33 PM
There's a new config feature in your MyHome that will allow you to choose how Posts are shown in showflat (ie Newest or Oldest First).

Awesome! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

Slight problem though. When there are new Posts in a thread, if you click on the main thread title, it automatically sends you to the first page with a new post. When you have the Posts displayed in the correct order (ie: newest first), this still happens. If there are 2 pages of Posts and one new post, clicking on the main thread title sends you to page 2, which only has old Posts, rather than page 1, which has the new post. Certainly, this can be worked around by always selecting the page 1 link rather than the main thread link, but it is going to be a source of confusion for some.

Ragnarok
August 10th, 2004, 12:44 PM
Fyron, I have noticed this only happens part of the time. Sometimes it works just fine for me and others it does not. I have not been able to determine what causes it to work and what does not but I am sure there is something there doing it.

Gandalf Parker
August 10th, 2004, 01:01 PM
A neat feature that people might not have found yet is the new search feature. You can select the forum or even multiple forums (shift-click and ctrl-click work for selecting Groups), ask it to show you all of the Posts for the Last day and click the box saying you want to see a bit of the post. You can also include some words from the subject or body to just see certain threads. It makes it much easier to figure out what you want to reply to in a long thread or a particularly active day.

David E. Gervais
August 10th, 2004, 01:28 PM
Great work Richard, Thanks.

BTW, did you get the new forum icons I sent?

Cheers! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

Asmala
August 10th, 2004, 02:52 PM
Now when the Posts are in the right order (Thanks Richard), I'd like to get the page I'm writing to viewable in reply page (hmm, perhaps Loser explained it better http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif). It would be nice.

Also perhaps fonts could be made customizable so everybody could select his favorite font and size.

TerranC
August 10th, 2004, 05:46 PM
*TerranC repeatedly jumps up and down in order to express his profound happiness at seeing the old order come back, until he hits the ceiling of his room*

Suicide Junkie
August 10th, 2004, 08:05 PM
One thing that just bit me:
Right after posting a reply, the displayed page should be the one where your reply ended up.

Multi-posting increasingly panicky Versions of the same message over and over is not a good thing.
(But at least I was able to delete them and hide the evidence of my troubles http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif)

-----

We could also use a "reply to original post" button somewhere at the top and bottom of the the page, like we had before.

Fyron
August 10th, 2004, 08:42 PM
Fyron, I have noticed this only happens part of the time. Sometimes it works just fine for me and others it does not. I have not been able to determine what causes it to work and what does not but I am sure there is something there doing it.

If the thread has only a single page, it works perfectly. But if there are two or more pages, and new Posts on only one page, the bug crops up. It needs to be able to handle the reverse post order.

Baron Munchausen
August 10th, 2004, 09:35 PM
If you're taking requests, could we have a 'mark all as read' or 'update Last read pointers' button? Sometimes you don't want to have to enter every single thread to clear the 'new Messages' marker -- whatever it might be, graphic or color change.

There is already one there in My Home (the main page), below the descriptions of the various preferences sections.



That's a mighty strange place to put it. I'll let me suggestion stand, and append that the location should be on the top of each forum (thread list) instead of hidden away in our config settings. You're only going to want to update every single forum on the Boards when you've been away for six months or something and don't want to bother to catch up on all of them. The rest of the time you'll only want to catch up on ONE forum at a time.

Fyron
August 10th, 2004, 10:06 PM
Indeed. It is, however, exactly the same as the one from the old forum software. It would be nice to be able to update the Posts of just a single forum Category. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Kamog
August 10th, 2004, 10:10 PM
Wow, thank you Richard for bringing back the reverse post order! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Sivran
August 10th, 2004, 10:48 PM
And most of all thanks for making it OPTIONAL! Those of us who don't read backward don't have to get confused now. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

Now can we do something about this sucky font size? Hello, what resolution are you running? 1152x864 here and the text is ridiculously small. I hate websites that have text shrunk from the default size and there is no option to change it in My Home.

To quote Fry:
Fix it fix it fix it fix it fix it!

Will
August 11th, 2004, 12:18 AM
It's looking better in Firefox, Richard, thanks.

Sooo... when will the iframe for the replys page come back? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/cool.gif

Fyron
August 11th, 2004, 12:39 AM
Another bug when using reverse order mode:

If a thread has 2 pages of Posts, and there is one new post, viewing page 1, which has that new post, does not update the new post indicator. If I view page 2, which would have had the new post in the oldest to newest order, it updates the new post indicator, even though that page doesn't actually have the new post.

Andrés
August 11th, 2004, 01:42 AM
Font sizes are now fixed and won't change with IE font size option as they used to.
I had to select an accesibility option to ignore font sizes and get an easy to read text.

Fyron
August 11th, 2004, 01:58 AM
Font sizes are now fixed and won't change with IE font size option as they used to.
I had to select an accesibility option to ignore font sizes and get an easy to read text.

Perhaps you need to ditch IE and get a decent browser, such as Mozilla Firefox (http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/)? It has no trouble adjusting the font sizes on Shrapnel. Only a 4.7 MB download.

Kamog
August 11th, 2004, 05:36 AM
Yeah, I switched to Firefox Last month and I'm very happy with it. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

dogscoff
August 11th, 2004, 06:08 AM
First: nice to see you back on the Boards, Richard.

Second: I appreciate the work that's gone into the new forum, and it has clearly introduced a lot of features that were seriously lacking. However I'm finding it a little hard to adjust. I'm sure I'll get there eventually, but I have a few small gripes:

- I had trouble logging in after the forum change. I had to request a temporary password because it wouldn't accept my old one. No-one else seems to have had this trouble so I guess it's just me.

-When posting, the box you get to type into is ridiculously small. Unless you are deliberately trying to discourage the kind of long-winded Posts I regularly come up with, please make the text-entry box much, much bigger.

-The ability to review the entire thread (and copy/paste bits out of numerous Posts) was invaluable. I'm very sorry to see it go.

Mephisto
August 11th, 2004, 07:39 AM
Hi Dogschoff,
you can adjust the text window size by going to "My Home", "Display Preferences" and "TextArea columns" and "TextArea rows". I would like to see these options renamed as I never would have found out what they do if not someone had pointed it out to me.

Suicide Junkie
August 11th, 2004, 09:09 AM
Oh, wow! This is much nicer when its big http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Suicide Junkie
August 11th, 2004, 11:15 AM
When clicking the thread names, it is jumping me to the old pages instead of the new ones with newest on top.

Is anybody else seeing this?

Fyron
August 11th, 2004, 12:09 PM
Another bug when using reverse order mode:

If a thread has 2 pages of Posts, and there is one new post, viewing page 1, which has that new post, does not update the new post indicator. If I view page 2, which would have had the new post in the oldest to newest order, it updates the new post indicator, even though that page doesn't actually have the new post.

Yes, I am seeing it. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Kamog
August 11th, 2004, 01:00 PM
- I had trouble logging in after the forum change. I had to request a temporary password because it wouldn't accept my old one. No-one else seems to have had this trouble so I guess it's just me.


I first had trouble logging on, too. It seems that your password is now case-sensitive, AND the case it uses may not be the same as before.

My password used to begin with a capital letter and it didn't work. So, after many attempts, I tried using lower case, and it worked. So you might want to try different upper case / lower case combinations in your password.

dogscoff
August 12th, 2004, 05:28 AM
Woo yeah, much better. Thanks everyone.

David E. Gervais
August 12th, 2004, 12:41 PM
WooHoo! Richard has installed all my nice new icons for the forums. Oops, I guess not all have been done yet, but I'm sure they will eventually relpace the old ones.

That was fun, thanks Richard for another notch on my "Almost Famous" meter. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

Cheers! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

Mephisto
August 12th, 2004, 01:47 PM
Very nice! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

David E. Gervais
August 12th, 2004, 02:00 PM
Thanks, hmmm, I wonder if 'other' icons could be added? (more "Instant Graemlins" ) like a beer mug, Martini, a shovel (for rollo http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif ) or any others. It would sure help make this forum unique. If it can be done I'm willing to make them.

Cheers! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

Mindi
August 12th, 2004, 02:37 PM
Richard said to go for it David! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

Baron Munchausen
August 12th, 2004, 05:32 PM
A shovel? Why only for Rollo? I'd think anyone could use a shovel in a discussion where too much bull... was being dispensed. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

What would be really cute is some SE specific icons. Can you make smiley faces in the style of some SE IV races, like the Phong?

Fyron
August 12th, 2004, 05:53 PM
SpaceEmpires.net has the race portraits as smileys in it's forums. Surely that could be done here. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

Gandalf Parker
August 12th, 2004, 06:18 PM
I dont THINK the graemlin and post icon choices can be setup specific to a particular forum. But I would be thrilled if I was wrong. Richard would definetly be the one to ask. Or if you want to be mean then get Mindi excited about the idea (Im half kidding on that Last part, it was the married devil in me)

Fyron
August 12th, 2004, 06:24 PM
Why would they need to be set up for a specific forum? So what if there are a couple of extra emoticons for a different forum? Not going to kill anyone.

Gandalf Parker
August 12th, 2004, 06:38 PM
Why would they need to be set up for a specific forum? So what if there are a couple of extra emoticons for a different forum? Not going to kill anyone.



No it wouldnt but I pictured it as being able to go from a few or having many SEIV specific ones. A few can easily be added to the general selection, in fact I believe David has already done a few. But then of course we will end up with some dragons and wizards, some tanks and ocean ships, some horse cavalry and ... well you get the idea.

Fyron
August 12th, 2004, 06:56 PM
There could be an extra page set up with the images for the non-standard emoticons. That way, you only see them listed if you click that link. phpBB does this if there are more than X emoticons available. The forum software automatically creates a pop up window that is accessed by clicking the "view more" link. That way, the list for the generic post page doesn't become overly cluttered, but the emoticons are still readily accessible and useable.

David E. Gervais
August 12th, 2004, 07:13 PM
fyi, I didn't make a shovel 'yet' but I did create the following.. all rank insignias, Ank, Happy/Sad mask, Beer, Mushrooms, Bread, Heart, Brain, Skull, Trophy, Eyeball, se4 population icon, Planet, Computer, Home.

Voila!..

http://69.56.133.54:81/threads/uploads/284937-ForumIcons01.gif

I'll do more as time permits. It should be fun to have these unique icons in this forum.

Cheers! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

Mindi
August 12th, 2004, 08:33 PM
Or if you want to be mean then get Mindi excited about the idea (Im half kidding on that Last part, it was the married devil in me)



Then the married devil in you should know that you only get away with saying this because my arm isn't long enough to reach to california! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif

Raging Deadstar
August 12th, 2004, 08:37 PM
Or if you want to be mean then get Mindi excited about the idea (Im half kidding on that Last part, it was the married devil in me)



Then the married devil in you should know that you only get away with saying this because my arm isn't long enough to reach to california! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif



Ok, I almost fell out the chair laughing there http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif That was just too funny.

And Nice Images David, Definitely look forward to using them soon http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

Gandalf Parker
August 12th, 2004, 09:15 PM
Or if you want to be mean then get Mindi excited about the idea (Im half kidding on that Last part, it was the married devil in me)



Then the married devil in you should know that you only get away with saying this because my arm isn't long enough to reach to california! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif



Ahhh yes, sounds just like here at home. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

Captain Kwok
August 12th, 2004, 09:21 PM
Nice work David with the new smilies.

Baron Munchausen
August 12th, 2004, 10:15 PM
fyi, I didn't make a shovel 'yet' but I did create the following.. all rank insignias, Ank, Happy/Sad mask, Beer, Mushrooms, Bread, Heart, Brain, Skull, Trophy, Eyeball, se4 population icon, Planet, Computer, Home.

Voila!..

http://69.56.133.54:81/threads/uploads/284937-ForumIcons01.gif

I'll do more as time permits. It should be fun to have these unique icons in this forum.

Cheers! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif



Very nice. Some suggestions besides SE IV races as smilies:

A little 'nuke' (mushroom cloud) -- perfect for the kinds of discussions we have around here. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

Take the skull and add the little crossbones under it for the classic 'pirate' (and poison) symbol. Ok, you might have to shrink the skull a bit to fit the crossbones in.

We might even have a use for a 'biohazard' symbol. The green thing?

An imitation of the red 'star' image from the SE III logo. It's a classic image and we'll surely find uses for it.

Some other stars and planets in the simplified SE III manner wouldn't hurt either.

And some of the images from the SE IV menu buttons would be cool to have, also. The 'science' flask, the 'imperial' crown (obviously it has to be distinct from the administration 'crown' you've already got), the colony dome, and the spaceyard wrench would all be nice to have for conversations here. We could use them to mark discussion topics as well as in our Messages. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Suicide Junkie
August 12th, 2004, 11:46 PM
I've tried to upload the imagemod packs, but I'm getting "We cannot proceed.
All of the required fields are not filled in. "

It worked fine with a single image, but the packs are failing.

Is it a timeout?
Is the limit smaller than the stated 30,000,000 bytes?
Any ideas?

David E. Gervais
August 13th, 2004, 07:57 PM
I have made a few more tiny icons for the forums..

http://69.56.133.54:81/threads/uploads/285273-ForumIcons02.gif

Cheers! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

Unknown_Enemy
August 14th, 2004, 04:32 AM
I am quite unhappy with the new board.
Using the port 81 forbid me to access it in the daytime.

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif

AMF
August 14th, 2004, 11:31 AM
Actually, that has increased my productivity at work nowadays almost exponentially (I can;t access it either from work during the day)

Alarik


I am quite unhappy with the new board.
Using the port 81 forbid me to access it in the daytime.

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif

Wardad
August 14th, 2004, 12:56 PM
At work I get a:

Proxy Access Denied

Access to this site has been denied. The website you are attempting to access operates on a non-standard network port.
Internet standards reserve specific network ports for specific network services. The site you attempted to access violates these standards, (e.g. https site run on port that is not 443, http site run on port less than 1024 that is not 80) .

Also the new format is a pain. Other sites list the Last pages, even the END page, in the go-to bar.

I know my useage is down. I bet all of the traffic is down.

narf poit chez BOOM
August 14th, 2004, 05:39 PM
For the sake of my eyes, go back to 12 point or let us choose. Please.

Fyron
August 14th, 2004, 09:18 PM
narf poit chez BOOM said:
For the sake of my eyes, go back to 12 point or let us choose. Please.

In the display preferences of My Home, there are now alternate style sheets to choose from that have larger font sizes.

I noticed that quoting a post now includes the user's name in bold, italicized font.

Thanks ^ 2 Richard! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

Baron Munchausen
August 15th, 2004, 12:01 AM
Hmm, 'Shrapnel Large' doesn't seem to make any difference in font size. Do I have to use 'Shrapnel Huge' just to get a slightly larger font? What should the visually impaired who want gigantic 24 point text use then?

Joachim
August 15th, 2004, 12:19 AM
Trying not to be rude, but the board is really starting to annoy me.
Cant get access, random denials, error Messages saying there is no data, incompatability with firefox....
What was good about the old board was that it was easy to use and worked.... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif

Captain Kwok
August 15th, 2004, 12:26 AM
Joachim said:
Trying not to be rude, but the board is really starting to annoy me.
Cant get access, random denials, error Messages saying there is no data, incompatability with firefox....
What was good about the old board was that it was easy to use and worked.... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif



That's odd. I haven't had any trouble with the new forum. I'm using Firefox exclusively, and have set the font to "Shrapnel Large" in display preferences and it's just about the same for me.

Richard
August 15th, 2004, 12:34 AM
Baron Munchausen said:
Hmm, 'Shrapnel Large' doesn't seem to make any difference in font size. Do I have to use 'Shrapnel Huge' just to get a slightly larger font? What should the visually impaired who want gigantic 24 point text use then?



Baron,

Anyone with visual impairments can use the accessability options in IE to disable the current font's and colors if they wish. In fact from the same screen they can specify their own style sheet within IE. The fonts being used are a good compromise based on input from the community at large. There are certaintly more options now than with the old forum software. Unfourtanetly we can't make everyone happy, we can just do what will make the most people happy.