MP Game - Pandemonium (noob/int game) - running

[Thufir]

mosehansen.dk port 2291

Inland map, Indy 6, magic sites 50
renaming enabled, HOF 15
25 hour quickhost
10-14 players
no house rules

Victory conditions - standard or mutual consent

We're off with yet another newbie game! This time I thought I'd open it up wider to include intermediate players, and we're also looking for considerably larger number of players (hopefully 14).

Again, I don't really know how to define newbie/intermediate, but maybe something like the following will do:

<= 10 mp games
And never came in 1st or 2d in a mp game that included experienced players

Or if you don't qualify for the above, but feel you are not speeding through the Dom2 learning curve (perhaps because you've got a life? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif then use your own judgement and jump in).

This time around I'm going to be selfish and claim Abysia right out of the block. Also, there was a tentative claim on Caelum (I'll get that cleared up asap). Finally, anyone interested in Ryleh/Atlantis should know that there's only 5 water provinces on Inland, so taking one of these positions might be a bit dicey. Having both positions in the game is out of the question.



Cause this is newbie game, here are the startup instructions:

1) Post in this thread to reserve your position
2) Design your Pretender standalone
3) On the main/entry Dom2 menu, choose Network
4) Enter "mosehansen.dk" for server
5) Enter "2291" for port
6) Choose the nation for the Pretender which you have designed.
7) If you haven't already, register on mosehansen at: https://www.mosehansen.dk/cgi-bin/dom2.pl
8) Then go to: https://www.mosehansen.dk/cgi-bin/dom2.pl?page=BrowseGamePage&game=Pandemonium
If you've successfully uploaded your pretender, you'll see your nation listed as Anonymous, check the "That's me" box.

That's it - you're done! Once all players have done this, I'll start the game.


Edit- Added one step in startup instructions.


Current Players:

Pangaea - PrinzMegaherz
R'lyeh - msew
Ermor - Aku - BF ID (Aku)
Mictlan - Boron - BF ID (Boron)
Abysia - Thufir - BF ID (Thufir)
Arcoscephale - frosted flake
C'tis - Lepakko - BF ID (Lepakko)

Eliminated/Gone AI:
Ulm - deccan - BF ID (Deccan)
Jotunheim - anatoli11, turn 26
Man - jarenko
Vanheim - odd_enuf

[jarenko]

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/confused.gif

who is invited...?

[Thufir]

jarenko said:
http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/confused.gif

who is invited...?



every newbie or intermediate player reading this post http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[PrinzMegaherz]

Do I just submit my pretender or do I have to post my choice here first?

Anyway, I would like to claim Pangaea

[Thufir]

PrinzMegaherz said:
Do I just submit my pretender or do I have to post my choice here first?

Anyway, I would like to claim Pangaea




Cool - Pangaea it is! (and yes, it's easier to start by posting here, then uploading).

[jarenko]

I would like to take Man if it pleases you to permit me the honor.

[Agrajag]

Well, as I said, I wanna join the game!
I wanna claim R`lyeh, because they are a lot of fun, but that's probably a bad idea...
So I'll give you this list:
1. What's that Caelum claim? if its gone, I'd like to take it =P
2. Jotunheim, I think, but I really have little expirience with them...
3. R`lyeh =P

So meanwhile, its a claim on Jotunheim, but if someone really wants it (really really wants it) I can switch to R`lyeh.
And I'd like to know about that Caelum thingy, because I'd really like to play them if they open up (Im not good with them, but Ive had fun in SP)

[deccan]

What the hell, I'm in as Ulm. Never played it before. I might as well give the rest of you someone to beat up on. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif At least I don't need to download a new map to play this one.

[Alneyan]

I would like to join in with Marignon (never played them before). Is posting here enough to claim the nation, or is the claim only valid once a pretender has been uploaded? (I still have to figure out what pretender I will use for Marignon)

[Thufir]

Alneyan said:
I would like to join in with Marignon (never played them before). Is posting here enough to claim the nation, or is the claim only valid once a pretender has been uploaded? (I still have to figure out what pretender I will use for Marignon)



Claiming here reserves the spot, upload when you can. It would be nice if we could all get uploaded by tomorrow, but since we're looking for 14 players it may take us longer to fill up. So far, here's what we've got:

Alneyan - Marignon
Deccan - Ulm
Agrajag - Jotunheim (possibly Caelum)
Jarenko - Man
Prince Megaherz - Pangaea
Thufir - Abysia

[anatoli11]

I would like to play Jotunheim - In all my excitment on trying a MP game, I uploaded to the server already without posting here... Sorry... Please let me know if I have this spot in your game

[Thufir]

anatoli11 said:
I would like to play Jotunheim - In all my excitment on trying a MP game, I uploaded to the server already without posting here... Sorry... Please let me know if I have this spot in your game



Sorry, this thread takes precedence over uploading (I guess I should've made that clearer in my initial post). Right now Agrajag is on Jotunheim, but he's also top of the waitlist for Caelum. So, we can move you top of the waitlist for Jotunheim, but it'd be good if you could pick something else, in case Jotunheim doesn't clear up. This bit of complication regarding Caelum should clear up tonight.

[Aku]

Could you put me on a waiting list for Pan if Megahertz happens to change his mind and not want to play Pangaea?

I really only have time for one more mp game and want to do it with Pan, if the slot doesnt open its no big deal. New games start all the time.

Good luck.

[Thufir]

Aku said:
Could you put me on a waiting list for Pan if Megahertz happens to change his mind and not want to play Pangaea?

I really only have time for one more mp game and want to do it with Pan, if the slot doesnt open its no big deal. New games start all the time.

Good luck.



Sure thing!

[PrinzMegaherz]

Sorry, I already uploaded my pretender

[Aku]

np, ill just catch the next new game

good luck to you guys

[Thufir]

PrinzMegaherz said:
Sorry, I already uploaded my pretender



Right - no problem, you're all set. I think that Aku is just saying that in the event you should be suddenly overwhelmed with the need to play T'ien Chi Barbarian Kings, or your employer in RL suddenly overwhelms you with crucial work that only you can do - he's ready to step in. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[Aku]

exactly, good wording thufir

[Boron]

if mictlan is still free i would like to play them http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Boron]

uploaded my pretender http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[odd_enuf]

I'll take vanheim, what do I have to have my pretended uploaded by?

odd_enuf

[Thufir]

Boron said:
uploaded my pretender http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif



Excellent!

[Thufir]

odd_enuf said:
I'll take vanheim, what do I have to have my pretended uploaded by?



You're in!

No deadline set yet, we're looking for 14 players, right now we've got around 10. If we get the other 4 tonight, it'd be great to get everyone uploaded tomorrow.

[YellowCactus]

Spring....and Autumn!

[Thufir]

YellowCactus said:
Spring....and Autumn!



That's my favorite theme - awesome choice!

[Agrajag]

Boron said:
uploaded my pretender http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif


I'd upload my pretender, but Im still waiting to see about Caelum =P
Maybe I should just take Jotunheim :\
Let me know when you clear out the Caelum buisness...

[Boron]

Agrajag said:

Boron said:
uploaded my pretender http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif


I'd upload my pretender, but Im still waiting to see about Caelum =P
Maybe I should just take Jotunheim :\
Let me know when you clear out the Caelum buisness...


what about caelum ?
why don't you just upload your caelum pretender ?
or did somebody else claim them too ?

[Agrajag]

Boron said:

Agrajag said:

Boron said:
uploaded my pretender http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif


I'd upload my pretender, but Im still waiting to see about Caelum =P
Maybe I should just take Jotunheim :\
Let me know when you clear out the Caelum buisness...


what about caelum ?
why don't you just upload your caelum pretender ?
or did somebody else claim them too ?


Nope, but as the thread starter (Thufir, right?) said, there is some mistery to be cleared as to some sort of old claim on Caelum, Im not really sure so I'm waiting for an official response.
Good night.

[deccan]

Thufir said:
4) Enter "mosehansen.dk" for server
5) Enter "2291" for port




Quibble: "mosehansen.dk" did not work for me. "www.mosehansen.dk" worked.

[Thufir]

deccan said:
Quibble: "mosehansen.dk" did not work for me. "www.mosehansen.dk" worked.




Curious - the mosehansen.dk works for me.

Anyhow, we're at 10 players now, still looking for 4 more.
Agrajag, you're in as Caelum, and Anatoli, if you're still interested in Jotunheim, you've got it.

Here's the latest player list:

Alneyan - Marignon
Deccan - Ulm
Agrajag - Caelum
Jarenko - Man
Prince Megaherz - Pangaea
Thufir - Abysia
anatoli11 - Jotunheim?
Boron - Mictlan
odd_enuf - Vanheim
YellowCactus - TienChi

[Aku]

I thought of another nation I want to try in mp...can I play Ermor?

[Agrajag]

Great!
I got Caelum.
Now I can avoid playing the same race in two different MP games =P
I already formulated some plans for Caelum, so I'll probably upload by the end of the day.

[Thufir]

Aku said:
I thought of another nation I want to try in mp...can I play Ermor?



Absolutely - that was one nation I was particularly hoping to include in the mix.

[deccan]

I went anonymous on the server in order to change pretenders. Sorry for the inconvenience. I'll re-upload as soon as I'm kicked.

[Thufir]

deccan said:
I went anonymous on the server in order to change pretenders. Sorry for the inconvenience. I'll re-upload as soon as I'm kicked.



no problem - you're bounced.

[deccan]

Thufir said:
no problem - you're bounced.



Thanks. Re-uploaded. I decided to play Ulm more conventionally instead of trying something crazy before I had actually played Ulm even in SP. Any idea of a starting time?

[anatoli11]

Thanks for the opportunity - I have re-uploaded my pretender to the server. I am really looking forward to trying MP - Good luck to all!!

[Thufir]

anatoli11 said:
Thanks for the opportunity - I have re-uploaded my pretender to the server. I am really looking forward to trying MP - Good luck to all!!



Are you sure you have actually changed pretenders? I don't remember you ever being anonymous (or were you, and I bounced you when I bounced deccan?). If you do want to make sure you've made a change, change you're setting to anonymous on mosehansen, let me know, then I'll be happy to bounce again, so you can be sure you're changing pretenders.

[Aku]

ok cool, give me a few hours to think of what pretender i should make, we are still waiting for more people to join anyway

[Thufir]

Aku said:
ok cool, give me a few hours to think of what pretender i should make, we are still waiting for more people to join anyway



Sure thing - here's our current player list:

Alneyan - Marignon
Deccan - Ulm
Agrajag - Caelum
Jarenko - Man
Prince Megaherz - Pangaea
Thufir - Abysia
anatoli11 - Jotunheim
Boron - Mictlan
odd_enuf - Vanheim
YellowCactus - TienChi
Aku - Ermor


I had been shooting for 14 - what do people think about starting with 11? On Inland 14 makes for a crowded game, which was part of the objective with this setup. OTOH, at 11, we still have a goodly number to run with...

[Aku]

either choice is fine

if you want 14, im sure you will get that by the end of the day

one option is for us to play with whoever signs up by the end of the day and leave it at that

[anatoli11]

I've never attemped a MP game before - when I log into mosehansen I am listed as playing Jotunheim in the Pandemonium game - is this correct?

[Thufir]

anatoli11 said:
I've never attemped a MP game before - when I log into mosehansen I am listed as playing Jotunheim in the Pandemonium game - is this correct?



Yes, this is correct. As things stand we can start the game.

However, based on your post where you mentioned that you had re-uploaded your pretender, I thought that you wanted to change your pretender from the initial upload that you did yesterday. I'm not exactly sure how this part works, but I believe it's necessary for me to kick you off the game before you can re-upload successfully. Since I never did this, I suspect that your original pretender is still the one in place.

If your satisfied with that - then we're good to go, and we can start the game on this basis. If you want to be sure that your pretender has been re-uploaded, you should go to mosehansen again, click on the box that says "That's not me!" (which changes your position to anonymous), then I will be able to kick you off the game, thus allowing you to safely re-upload.

[anatoli11]

No - I'm good to go - I just uploaded the same pretender... Thanks!!

[Thufir]

Aku said:
either choice is fine

if you want 14, im sure you will get that by the end of the day

one option is for us to play with whoever signs up by the end of the day and leave it at that



That sounds good to me - unless anyone objects, I'll be starting sometime tonight.

[Agrajag]

Thufir said:

Aku said:
either choice is fine

if you want 14, im sure you will get that by the end of the day

one option is for us to play with whoever signs up by the end of the day and leave it at that



That sounds good to me - unless anyone objects, I'll be starting sometime tonight.


Just posting for the "I agree".

[Aku]

anyone know if the chill effect on a ghost king and the breath of winter spell if they stack?

[Thufir]

Aku said:
anyone know if the chill effect on a ghost king and the breath of winter spell if they stack?



I'd guess not. Someone just asked a similar question:

http://forum.shrapnegames.com/showthread.php?=287002&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5& o=&fpart=1

[Aku]

I think I made a pretender I like. I am just going to test him out real fast in sp.

[Thufir]

Aku said:
I think I made a pretender I like. I am just going to test him out real fast in sp.



Exactly what I'm doing at this very moment http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

I don't see this game starting before 7pm PDT (at the earliest), so you've got a few hours.

[Agrajag]

Aku said:
I think I made a pretender I like. I am just going to test him out real fast in sp.


Just some entertaining trivia:
I was checking to see what happened if I modded a pretender with 10 in every magic path (including holy/unholy), only I forgot to turn the mod off when I went to play a bit of SP and after conquering almost the entire world, a supermage smashed my enormous armies (remember, 10 Unholy means 6 lictors a day in a good dominion, and it was turn ~40-50)

[Aku]

my pretender is uploaded

[Frosted Flake]

I am in as Vanheim never tried it

frosted flake

[Thufir]

Frosted Flake said:
I am in as Vanheim never tried it

frosted flake



It'd be great to have you in, but odd_enuf was signed up for Vanheim - is that your anonymous upload showing now on mosehansen or his?


Here's the current list of positions we've got:
Alneyan - Marignon
Deccan - Ulm
Agrajag - Caelum
Jarenko - Man
Prince Megaherz - Pangaea
Thufir - Abysia
anatoli11 - Jotunheim
Boron - Mictlan
odd_enuf - Vanheim
YellowCactus - TienChi
Aku - Ermor


Assuming odd_enuf wants to keep Vanheim, that leaves Pythium, Arcoscephale, Machaka, C'tis, Ryleh and Atlantis (but remember Ryleh and Atlantis are at a disadvantage on this map).

- Thufir

[odd_enuf]

frosted flake seems to have taken vanhiem before I was able to upload my pretender, I'm sending him a message asking him to go anon so he can be kicked.

odd_enuf

[Frosted Flake]

np be done in a sec
frosted flake

[Frosted Flake]

I'd love arco thought it was taken ..have a new god on a jiffy

frosted flake it is bleh

[Thufir]

Frosted Flake said:
I'd love arco thought it was taken ..have a new god on a jiffy

frosted flake



Excellent - thanks frosted!

odd_enuf, I bounced anons, so you're free to upload Vanheim now.

[Thufir]

Frosted Flake said:
I'd love arco thought it was taken ..have a new god on a



Frosted, are you "Eureka" on mose? Otherwise, your position has been hijacked, and we'll have to figure out who that is and get them off (or at least into another position).

[Frosted Flake]

Nope not eureka

frosted flake


but now its anon?

[Frosted Flake]

Now arco is lsited as anon ?

frosted

[Steerpike]

Sorry I was Arco. I just read this post and I must say I'm surprised that you must not only log onto a nation but go to the forums and call dibs. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/shock.gif Anyways i have unsubmitted myself so go for it.(sniff whimper)

[Frosted Flake]

read your private mail and decide

frosted

[Thufir]

Frosted Flake said:
Nope not eureka

frosted flake


but now its anon?



Yes, now it's listed as anon, is that you, or should I bounce it?

[Frosted Flake]

ok eureka says i can have it so take down the anon and i'l upload

frosted

ok i've uploaded

[Thufir]

Steerpike said:
Sorry I was Arco. I just read this post and I must say I'm surprised that you must not only log onto a nation but go to the forums and call dibs. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/shock.gif Anyways i have unsubmitted myself so go for it.(sniff whimper)



Sorry bout this Steerpike. I think it's tended to be the convention of players using mosehansen to set up games on this forum. It makes it easier to communicate, since mosehansen doesn't provide any communication mechanism. It'd be great to have you join us in any one of the open positions (now Pythium, Machaka, C'tis, Ryleh or Atlantis, noting water positions may be difficult in this game)

Edit:
Also, it's probably easiest to find games by coming to this forum first. All MP games should follow the convention starting the subject line w/ "MP Game" and update the subject w/ statuses of: open/closed/running .

[Thufir]

I think we're just about ready to go - I'm just waiting for odd_enuf to re-upload Vanheim. Once I see him on mose, I'll start the game.

[Thufir]

Game is started - good luck everyone!

[Aku]

just caelum, marignon, jotum left for turns

oh thufir could you remake a list of all the players with their nations now that we have started?

[Sheap]

Chill and Breath of Winter do stack, because they do different things. Chill causes fatigue and occasionally turns people blue (which makes them slow). Breath of Winter causes damage. It may be that Breath of Winter causes the Chill effects also. But in any case BoW is a big upgrade over Chill. Both are cold effects and are negated by cold resistance.

[deccan]

Um, Agrajag withdrew from all games and posted his password publicly. I think we have a problem. I suggest a restart.

[Aku]

a restart wouldnt be such a bad idea considering we are still on turn 1...and one of them is his nation

[Boron]

yeah a restart is probably the best solution here

[Thufir]

deccan said:
Um, Agrajag withdrew from all games and posted his password publicly. I think we have a problem. I suggest a restart.



Restart sounds good to me, but I need for Aggrajag to go anon before I can kick him off. The better solution may be for me to create a new game to the same specs and stop this one.

I'll do that if I don't hear a better answer in the next hour or two.

Here's our current player list w/o Aggrajag:

Alneyan - Marignon
Deccan - Ulm
Jarenko - Man
Prince Megaherz - Pangaea
Thufir - Abysia
anatoli11 - Jotunheim
Boron - Mictlan
odd_enuf - Vanheim
YellowCactus - TienChi
Aku - Ermor
Frosted Flake - Arcoscephale

BTW, this opens up Caelum - anyone want to switch?

[Aku]

just restart the game with the same settings, easier that way...big deal we upload pretenders again because i doubt he will go anon before we get another game restarted

[Thufir]

Game is now recreated as Pandemonium2:

sign up at:
https://www.mosehansen.dk/cgi-bin/dom2.pl?page=BrowseGamePage&game=Pandemonium2

port 2296

[Aku]

ok uploaded my ermor pretender

nice work thufir on the fast setup of a new game

[jarenko]

I'm uploaded and ready to go! (again http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif)

[deccan]

Weird, I went back to the page for the original game and it says that the game could not be started because there are more than 23 games running on the server.

[Thufir]

Unless anyone objects, I'd like to make this a ladder game on Battlefield. Theoretically, this means we should all be registered on battlefield, but this is not urgent, and we can still start our game whether we've all registered or not.

Mostly, I think it's fun to have a Dom2 ladder, and that doing this is good for both Dom2 and the Battlefield site.

The Battlefield is at:
http://www.the-battlefield.com

Battlefield Dom2 Page:
http://www.the-battlefield.com/index.php?page=dom2main&game=dom2

Battlefield Dom2 Forum:
http://www.the-battlefield.com/forum/index.php?showforum=27

Let me know what you all think.

[anatoli11]

I'm uploaded - too bad about the restart - I thought I had you guys on the ropes...

[odd_enuf]

hmm, i'll reupload vanhiem too

[jarenko]

Yeah, it is too bad..

I had made such good progress. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif

[Thufir]

jarenko said:
Yeah, it is too bad..

I had made such good progress. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif



Truth to tell, things were looking so bad for me, that I bribed Agrajag to hose our game so I could force a restart http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[msew]

is there still an open spot in this game?

I would like to play R'lyeh (only nation I have really played so far)

~msew

[msew]

kk I am in !!!!1

[Thufir]

msew said:
kk I am in !!!!1



that's great - just be warned that there are only 5 water provinces, so Ryleh might be at a bit of a disadvantage.

[msew]

I vote:

-graphs YES
-random nations for TEAMS? sure / don't care
-random nation for what nation you actually get to play? NO
-indep 6 (as per the usual MP standing)

[Thufir]

msew said:
I vote:

-graphs YES
-random nations for TEAMS? sure / don't care
-random nation for what nation you actually get to play? NO
-indep 6 (as per the usual MP standing)



Did you read the first page of this post???

- Thufir

[Thufir]

Well, we're back up to 10 players, although I was hoping to see Caelum back in the game, I think we can go with this set of players. Here's what we've got right now:

Pangaea PrinzMegaherz
R'lyeh msew
Ermor Aku
Man jarenko
Mictlan Boron
Abysia Thufir
Arcoscephale frosted flake
Vanheim odd_enuf
Jotunheim anatoli11
Ulm deccan

If everyone's agreeable, I'll start this off tomorrow morning, PDT

- Thufir

[jarenko]

I am ready Lord Thufir. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[deccan]

Thufir said:

msew said:
I vote:

-graphs YES
-random nations for TEAMS? sure / don't care
-random nation for what nation you actually get to play? NO
-indep 6 (as per the usual MP standing)



Did you read the first page of this post???

- Thufir



Yeah, you do know that we're using the inland map right? Having only 5 water provinces is bad enough, but IIRC only three of those water provinces are connected to one another, and the other two are separate lakes.

[Aku]

game looks good to launch

[Lepakko]

I will upload god in 19:00-21:00 gtm today

[Boron]

yeah uploaded too http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Thufir]

Lepakko said:
I will upload god in 19:00-21:00 gtm today



Great - glad to have you Lepakko!

[Lepakko]

Its nice to be in big mp game whit other new players.

Im hoping to get many good experience from this game.

[Thufir]

Up and running, again!

See y'all in the world of Inland http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif (If only beneath the feet of Abysian infantry, as they trample through your provinces! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif )

[archaeolept]

inland can work for r'lyeh, though its not great. there are 4 connected water provinces, and its in a great location able to strike out in all sorts of directions.

[Aku]

lol i think i got relatively the same spawn spot

looks like almost everyone has done their turns already too

[Thufir]

looks like almost everyone has done their turns already too



Yeah - three left, hopefully they're still checking to see if the game is alive.

[Aku]

only mictlan(boron) left...i sent him a pm because i hope he knows the game started

he is around bec he did his turns in other games, i just hope he gets the pm in time

[Thufir]

Aku said:
only mictlan(boron) left...i sent him a pm because i hope he knows the game started

he is around bec he did his turns in other games, i just hope he gets the pm in time



Well, if he stales on turn 1, maybe we can just consider it a well deserved handicap. Even if he's forgotten us on turn one, I'm sure he'll remember us before turn 2 comes due. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Thufir]

Boron came through and Turn 2 is up - with no stales. I think we are up and running for real now!

[Aku]

yeah i noticed...looks like he got my pm in time

ill do my turn soon

[jarenko]

Good luck. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[jarenko]

OK. I registered for this Battle ranking thing. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[deccan]

I'm real sorry to drag you guys down, but I can't play at work. It's about 9 am at work now where I am as I type this, and I'll only be able to play when I get off work, at about say 7 or 8 pm today.

With SEIV, I was able to download turns at work, get them back to my home computer, play the turns at lunch time, and then upload the turns when I come back after lunch. But Dominions requires the client to be actually connected to the server, so it's not possible to do this.

[Thufir]

jarenko said:
OK. I registered for this Battle ranking thing. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif



good work, jarenko! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[Thufir]

deccan said:
I'm real sorry to drag you guys down, but I can't play at work. It's about 9 am at work now where I am as I type this, and I'll only be able to play when I get off work, at about say 7 or 8 pm today.

With SEIV, I was able to download turns at work, get them back to my home computer, play the turns at lunch time, and then upload the turns when I come back after lunch. But Dominions requires the client to be actually connected to the server, so it's not possible to do this.



No worries. And honestly, I don't think it's going to make much difference in the long run. Although I've yet to take an MP game past turn 30, from what I've read in Posts, once you get into midgame, we won't be able to crank out the turns anyhow.

Which btw, I should've mentioned before, I expect at some point we'll want to raise it to 48hr QH, which I'll be happy to do when there's a consensus to make that change.

- Thufir

[archaeolept]

But Dominions requires the client to be actually connected to the server, so it's not possible to do this

I take it the problem is that you are not allowed to install Dom II on your work machine? and the machine you use at lunch has no internet connection?

[Thufir]

archaeolept said:

But Dominions requires the client to be actually connected to the server, so it's not possible to do this

I take it the problem is that you are not allowed to install Dom II on your work machine? and the machine you use at lunch has no internet connection?



Or is it a matter of downloading your turn?


deccan said:
With SEIV, I was able to download turns at work, get them back to my home computer, play the turns at lunch time, and then upload the turns when I come back after lunch. But Dominions requires the client to be actually connected to the server, so it's not possible to do this.


I actually do sometimes download my turns, and work them out offline. The UI for this is not obvious, and I've never transferred the files in an MP game, but I have many times in SP and I don't see why that wouldn't work for MP as well.

When you connect to the server, and enter your kingdom, the client saves two files that reflect your turn: NationName.2h and NationName.trn (e.g. pythium.2h and pythium.trn). If you connect at one location, copy those two files onto a disk (or use email or whatever), then copy those 2 files into your dominions2 install dir, in a folder named "Pandemonium2", you should be able to load up your turn, and set up all your orders on the second computer (in your case your home computer?).

In playing your turn, it will write your orders into the .2h file once you exit by the "E" key (or by escape, if you chose the save game option when you quit), and you can then copy that file (I'd copy both files to be safe), back on your disk and take it to the computer you upload with. Or, if possible and you prefer you can connect back to the server again from your second computer and upload the turn from there.

Often when I am downloading my turn, I am careful to not submit it before I've entered my orders. If you want to be sure to do this, when you first connect to the server to receive your new turn results DO NOT type "E" to quit the connection. Entering "E" uploads your turn file and will cause the server to think you have submitted your turn, even if you entered no orders. Instead hit "escape" and chose the "save game file" as you exit the game. It will give you a warning about not having uploaded your turn, but you can ignore that as that's exactly what you want to do anyway.

Does any of the above make sense? And/or does it solve your problem? It's not as complicated as the length of this post would indicate - the length just means I need to go take a tech writing course http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[deccan]

Thufir said:
When you connect to the server, and enter your kingdom, the client saves two files that reflect your turn: NationName.2h and NationName.trn (e.g. pythium.2h and pythium.trn).



The problem is that you need to connect with a Dom2 client to the server. With SEIV, you just connect to the server with any old browser, download the files, copy them to disk and then bring them to the computer with the game installed.

And yeah, I'm not supposed to install games on my work computer. It's a crappy computer anyway and playing on it would just be tedious.

Bit the bullet anyway and played during lunchtime. I can't do it all the time though, so don't count on it. Main problem here is that I may be busy during lunchtime, or else need to meet with people etc.

[Thufir]

deccan said:

The problem is that you need to connect with a Dom2 client to the server. With SEIV, you just connect to the server with any old browser, download the files, copy them to disk and then bring them to the computer with the game installed.



I get it. Nice feature on SEIV's part.

Anyhow, I wouldn't worry about as this group of players is widely spread throughout the world, and I'm sure we're not going to be doing any blitzing in this game http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[Gandalf Parker]

deccan said:

Thufir said:
When you connect to the server, and enter your kingdom, the client saves two files that reflect your turn: NationName.2h and NationName.trn (e.g. pythium.2h and pythium.trn).



The problem is that you need to connect with a Dom2 client to the server. With SEIV, you just connect to the server with any old browser, download the files, copy them to disk and then bring them to the computer with the game installed.



Is that SEIV or PBW?

It sounds like the standard email files arrangment done thru a web page. That can be done with Dom2 also (the game is a PbEM game). The "connect to the server" is an option added later which alot of players preferred.

The .2h file is the file your game creates (2h stands for "to host") and the .trn is what the host sends back to you.

[deccan]

Gandalf Parker said:
Is that SEIV or PBW?

It sounds like the standard email files arrangment done thru a web page. That can be done with Dom2 also (the game is a PbEM game). The "connect to the server" is an option added later which alot of players preferred.

The .2h file is the file your game creates (2h stands for "to host") and the .trn is what the host sends back to you.



PBW of course. I realize that this isn't really a failing of Dom2. It's just that on geo's SEIV server, players are free to either connect directly using an SEIV client to the server, or to download and upload files from and to the website using a regular browser, while on the mosehansen server, the only option is to connect with a dom2 cllient. And of course, I realize that since the server service is being provided for free, I should be grateful for what there is already (and I am!) http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

Still the fact is that for me personally, the PBEM approach would be a lot more convenient, since I use different computers at different times of day at different locations.

[Sheap]

I really don't see how uploading files manually is any more convenient than using the game client to do it. I suppose if you had one computer with internet access, but no game software, and another computer with the game, but no internet, and wanted to download on the first computer and copy to the game system with a floppy or something.

Another case might be if you are playing behind a firewall, and the firewall doesn't allow you to connect to the game server, but does let you contact webpages.

Are you in these situations? Or something else?

[Aku]

list of players again

Pangaea PrinzMegaherz
R'lyeh msew
Ermor Aku
Man jarenko
Mictlan Boron
Abysia Thufir
Arcoscephale frosted flake
Vanheim odd_enuf
Jotunheim anatoli11
Ulm deccan

and man(jarenko) is going to stale soon

[deccan]

Sheap said:
Are you in these situations? Or something else?



Basically right. I can get web access on my work computer, but can't install games on it. I get install games on my own computer, but getting Online with it in the daytime is inconvenient (it's the company's telephone line). Getting Online with my personal computer in the evenings is usually fine.

Another situation I sometimes find myself in is I'm travelling with my laptop. With SEIV, I go to the nearest internet cafe, download my turn files, copy 'em onto a USB flash device, transfer that to my laptop, play the turns on my laptop, copy the files containing the commands for the turn back on the USB flash device, go back to an internet cafe and upload my turns. Very handy.

[Thufir]

Aku said:
and man(jarenko) is going to stale soon



And so it goes - Jarenko are you out there?

[Aku]

lol the game just hosted and half of us are doing our turns right now lol

[deccan]

Haven't seen frosted flake around, but damn he's playing arco against type. All expansion and no research. I'm particularly interested in seeing a well-played arco since in all my SP games, the AI plays arco very badly even if given a good position on the map.

[Aku]

Yeah I noticed also he has the most provinces and has no research. I found it a bit odd but if it works then use it. I am curious what his pretender is though.

[deccan]

Aku said:
Yeah I noticed also he has the most provinces and has no research. I found it a bit odd but if it works then use it. I am curious what his pretender is though.



With a name like Smaug? I'd bet it's a dragon.

[jarenko]

How the heck did I miss a turn? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Oh well - my fault everyone. Apologies. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/redface.gif

[Thufir]

jarenko said:
How the heck did I miss a turn? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif



Travelling through a time warp and miss a day? Happens to me all the time. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif



Oh well - my fault everyone. Apologies. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/redface.gif


So it goes - it's not like we're on warp speed anyhow. With a large number of players spread around the globe I think that's impossible, regardless.

[Thufir]

deccan said:
Haven't seen frosted flake around, but damn he's playing arco against type. All expansion and no research. I'm particularly interested in seeing a well-played arco since in all my SP games, the AI plays arco very badly even if given a good position on the map.



Well, I haven't done much MP yet, but so far, in the opening game I always choose expansion over research, if I have that option. The fact that frosted has been able to expand at 1-2 provinces per turn since turn 1 is impressive to me. With the income from all those provinces he's taking, I expect he'll be able to make up on research soon enough.

I'm also wondering about his pretender design - sounds like it's capable of taking indies from turn 1. What kind of pretender can do that? And of course I must ask http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif -what kind of weaknesses come with such a pretender?

[Aku]

Well the name is Smaug maybe whoever said it is right that its a dragon. I think the dragon can pull it off.

[Aku]

only vanheim(odd enuf) left for it to quickhost

[Boron]

Thufir said:

deccan said:
Haven't seen frosted flake around, but damn he's playing arco against type. All expansion and no research. I'm particularly interested in seeing a well-played arco since in all my SP games, the AI plays arco very badly even if given a good position on the map.



Well, I haven't done much MP yet, but so far, in the opening game I always choose expansion over research, if I have that option. The fact that frosted has been able to expand at 1-2 provinces per turn since turn 1 is impressive to me. With the income from all those provinces he's taking, I expect he'll be able to make up on research soon enough.

I'm also wondering about his pretender design - sounds like it's capable of taking indies from turn 1. What kind of pretender can do that? And of course I must ask http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif -what kind of weaknesses come with such a pretender?


hm perhaps a trampler like earth mother / shedu ?

a wrym can probably too .

the advantage with arco is that he doesn't need to care too much about afflictions because later his priestesses can heal them .

a wyrm with a fireshield e.g. would probably work against indies on turn 2 quite well .
i don't like the wyrm though because he is so expensive and has no slots http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

an artillery pretender can do too with the initial army :
a earth 9 cyclops with flying shards or a fire 9 moloch with fire darts ( evo 1 ) can rout most indies with the initial army only http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[deccan]

Ouch, just had my own pretender killed. I guess I'll need to think more carefully about using him to solo indies.

Alas, dear Carnifex, I loved thee well.

[Thufir]

deccan said:
Ouch, just had my own pretender killed. I guess I'll need to think more carefully about using him to solo indies.

Alas, dear Carnifex, I loved thee well.



That hurts! Using the pretender solo is a tricky business - I just lost mine in another MP game.

[jarenko]

Mines still alive. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[deccan]

Thufir said:
That hurts! Using the pretender solo is a tricky business - I just lost mine in another MP game.



Heh, my only consolation is that Pangaea lost his on the very first turn.

[PrinzMegaherz]

This is only a minor settback for Pangaea.

I somehow thought we had independent strength 4 which would not have been a problem... well, 6 was definitly to much for poor old Tiratan

[Aku]

new turn is up

[Thufir]

Boron said:

an artillery pretender can do too with the initial army :
a earth 9 cyclops with flying shards or a fire 9 moloch with fire darts ( evo 1 ) can rout most indies with the initial army only <img src="http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif" alt="" />



Boron,

I'm doing some tests with a fire 9 moloch, using fire darts in an Indy 9 setup, and it isn't looking good. Have you tested this against indies in turn 1? Or does this not work against strong indies? Also with Abysia, I'd think flare would be a better choice than fire darts, correct? Are you assuming any other equipment/spells?

- Thufir

PS Hope you don't mind assisting me knowing that I'll use this in our Casual Carnage game. After all, it will only contribute to making it a better game for you http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Boron]

Thufir said:

Boron said:

an artillery pretender can do too with the initial army :
a earth 9 cyclops with flying shards or a fire 9 moloch with fire darts ( evo 1 ) can rout most indies with the initial army only <img src="http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif" alt="" />



Boron,

I'm doing some tests with a fire 9 moloch, using fire darts in an Indy 9 setup, and it isn't looking good. Have you tested this against indies in turn 1? Or does this not work against strong indies? Also with Abysia, I'd think flare would be a better choice than fire darts, correct? Are you assuming any other equipment/spells?

- Thufir

PS Hope you don't mind assisting me knowing that I'll use this in our Casual Carnage game. After all, it will only contribute to making it a better game for you http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif



no i don't mind http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

you may not attack anything with knights / heavy cav .
but in another game i play as mictlan with f9 moloch .
i think indies are on 7 there .
he + mictlans starting troops +10 more because mictlan has so low morale conquer indeps well .

normally the imps fly into the enemy , delay him and before the enemy arrives to me my moloch has time enough to cast 4-5 turns 1 fire darts / turn .
he casts about 8-10 of them .
most indies are scared away already and the few that don't rout sometimes are routed by my small army then .

the army is only that the moloch doesn't rout after the imps have gone .
otherwise he would be a perfect sc .

fire darts is much better than flare against indies because flare has only area of effect 1 .
and it has not high precision so it misses often indeps .

from my 8-10 fire darts at least half almost always hit so they do much more damage .




i don't know what the coward moloch mod does but i think it removes the imps .

if this is true forget what i have said and use a standard bufflist .

i would probably use the following :
quickness , fireshield , mistform , you can add mirror image since it is air too .
if you take nature magic you can add personal regeneration.
with D3 later ( alteration 6 ) you can add soul vortex which is great .
for the above mentioned you only need enchantment 1 + alteration 3 .
paths :
fire 1 , air 2 , water 1


but moloch is risky as sc :
he has base protection of 15
you get this with stoneskin : E( alteration 2 ) too .
with ironskin : E(alteration 3 ) you get prot 20 .
with invulnerability : EEE (alteration 5 ) you get prot 30.

my indy conquering vq survives against most indies with prot 15 already .
with prot 20 she wins normally against knights too.
with prot 30 no indy can damage her .


with your moloch now the decision is : are 15 prot enough ?
getting prot 20 is not that much more and you need alteration 3 for that plus earth 1.
for prot 30 you need earth 3 with invulnerability + you don't reserach that in the first 10 turns probably.

the problem with abysia + moloch is that abysia has almost no chance to ever get healing items .
so when you are unlucky and get afflictions your moloch gets more and more useless.


Conclusion :
if the moloch mod from graeme really removes the imps i would not use a moloch with abysia .
i would use him with arco since after conquering indies i can put him into a province with a lab , assign priestesses healing him and he can meanwhile forge / summon / research .

but with abysia + moloch sc you have always to care about afflictions and if you take earth 3 or not for the additional protection .

[Thufir]

This is great info, Boron. Thanks!

I am seeing some successful tests now, there are a lot of variations with scripts and positions, and it took a while to hone in on a successful combination.

Flare does seem to work, although I really haven't tested enough to say if it might work better than fire darts.

The section you just wrote on buffs was very helpful for Pretender design in general, that was a nice, succinct summary that helps a lot in knowing what various research goals can do for you.

Since you seem to be in an informative mood http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif Do you have any opions on how SCs develop in later game?

For example:
1) If you don't take any N (or E or A), is it ever reasonable to plan on doing empowerment by late game to get N2 (and thus personal regen)? And of course similar questions for E or A. Or, is empowering your Pretender from zero to 2 or 3 nearly always cost-prohibitive?

2) Your description doesn't talk about items - but it would seem reasonably easy with a Moloch to get to prot 30 w/ items - is this not so? I'm not sure how this all adds up, and I don't have a convenient test available, but even just jade armor + a black steel helm would get you close, correct?

3) I do worry a lot about afflictions, with every position I play (as I've never played Arco), but this is one of the areas of the game that I think I know least how to handle. I have done a lot of SP testing of all my MP pretenders up to turn 10-20, so I am beginning to develop some knowledge here, if not real solutions.

In the case of Abysia, I can see how it would be hard for them to reach GoH or the Chalice until long after other nations get there. How about (in the end game), Faery Queens? I know that's a lot of nature development for a non-nature nation, but at least it's not a race. Maybe by the time you could do that you could so many other things that its not so relevant.

What I'm doing in my other Abysia MP game, where I know I have a sub-optimal pretender, is to rarely, if ever use him solo until I can equip him and get some of the buffs you describe. Still it's a very hard judgement for a newbie to make - and you do see us newbies getting their pretenders killed an awful lot!

4) As you mentioned, it seems likely that a key part of Frosted agressive strategy relies on the fact that he doesn't need to worry about afflictions as much as the rest of us do. For the rest of us that do need to worry about afflictions would you say that E3 for solo SC pretenders is a must? Or if not, do you wait to do soloing until you know you can get prot 20 via equipment?


Anyhow, sorry to bend your ear so much, but this is very helpful stuff, Boron!

[Thufir]

Thufir said:

Flare does seem to work, although I really haven't tested enough to say if it might work better than fire darts.




I've done some more testing now, and you are right, fire darts are better than flares. Flare is probably better against knights/HC, but we don't want to fight them solo, anyhow.

[Boron]

with scs i have done a lot of thinking in the Last days which summonable ones are my favourite lategame scs .
unfortunately i have come to no favourite yet http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/shock.gif

with your moloch :
sure you can bring him up to higher protection with items .
BUT not for indy conquering .
and i talked about that http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif
as abysia with only starting fire gem income you can't forge a jade armor for indy conquering e.g.

if you would be ulm you could always forge the 19 protection trinklet black steel full plate e.g.

but as abysia this is not possible .
IF you take an immortal/recuperation pretender you don't need to worry about afflictions at all .
these are rare though :
the only real immortal sc is the vq .
most , perhaps all recuperation scs are reserved for pangenea .

with empowering : it always costs 50 gems for the first path , i think 15 for lvl 2 , 30 for lvl 3 ...
so this is until very late in the game too expensive .
if you want get e.g. air 3 you have to pay 95 airgems .
for 100 airgems you get 2 airqueens .
i would chose the airqueens http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

the only path in which i empower my pretenders maybe is in astral until astral 9.
then you can wish for magic power and get +1 in each path even those who don't have .
but this is VERY VERY VERY lategame http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

so if you intend to use a path for something highlevel like level 5+ you should at least take lvl 3 in most pathes because most items to empower need lvl 3 .

if i plan to e.g. to summon a airqueen i need at least air 3 on my pretender if my national mages can't do that ( caelum could e.g.).
with air 3 then i can e.g. forge a bag of winds and a winged helmet : both give air +1 which results in the needed air 5 http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif


for earlygame combat stone/ironskin , quickness , fire shield , breath of winter shield , mistform , mirror image and personal regeneration are the most important buffs .

midgame invulnerability , phönix pyre , soul vortex become available which are really good .
when they are available you have normally forged already e.g. boots of quickness so that you can still do 5 good buffs .


with SC you have to differ between the 2 following :
early game indy conquering sc
late game fully equipped sc

most earlygame indy conquer scs can be turned into lategame fully equipped scs .
but there are exeptions , e.g. wyrm/carrion dragon
and some really good lategame equipped scs are poor indy conquering scs : e.g. nataraja


the only absolutely riskless indy conquering sc is the vq .

a pod / moloch with greames mod is a really good indy conquering sc too .
if he gets afflicted it is for many nations not bad because they can heal him midgame by either the chalice or a summoned fairy queen (5N).
and tien chi / arco are special .
arco has the priestesses .
tien chi gets at least 1 hero who can heal .

the chalice needs 3N2S to forge .
the Last possibility to heal afflictions is the global Gift of Health (5N).



the problem is abysia has no nature magic .
so with abysia the only safe indy conquering sc is the vq .

you can turn your pod / virtue / moloch etc. with equippment in a good lategame sc .
but you can't solo indies absolutely sure .
but you can take with you a small army and use your pretender as artillery .



for abysia though i think the vq just fits extremely well .
the only other choice of pretender i would use for abysia is the in a few days old suggested f9e9 scorpion king from somebody else which is very impressive too http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

the moloch fits thematically well with abysia but not gameplay wise .
the moloch fits well for those nations where i take him often :
vanheim , mictlan , marignon .

there i take f9 primary for the bless effect and with my above described fire darts strat he is a good helper for expanding too but not a sc http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/smile.gif

from the 3 mentioned nations mictlan is my absolute favourite because they are so magically flexible .

marignon + vanheim are quite narrow there http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif




my favourite nations are at the moment :
mictlan
abysia
arco
ermor
pan cw

now i will try caelum and i guess they will probably become a favourite nation for me too http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

pythium , ryleh and ulm i like too but not as much as the above mentioned http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

the only nations which i strongly dislike are :
machaka , marignon and atlantis http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

[Boron]

oh one thing i forgot :

i am a huge fan of strong pretenders / really bad scales .



but this is perhaps mostly just personal preference .
so if you aren't very willing to take e.g. :

death 3 heat 3 sloth 3 at least then you should not listen toooo much to my advice .

i put 860! points in my caelum pretender + scales for our new carnage game . this is why i said it is very extreme/excentric in a post there .
i put normally at least about 500 points in my pretender + dominion .

[Aku]

anyone know if i staled? i am ermor

my computer got screwed up and had to reformat...still getting it up and running...should have dom installed within the next 3 hours

i believe i did my turn before my computer died on me yesterday morning but want to check if anyone knows if i staled or not

[deccan]

Aku said:
anyone know if i staled? i am ermor

my computer got screwed up and had to reformat...still getting it up and running...should have dom installed within the next 3 hours

i believe i did my turn before my computer died on me yesterday morning but want to check if anyone knows if i staled or not



You definitely played. It looks as if you built a fort Last turn.

[Aku]

ok cool so my turn went through

i should have my dom2 installed in like an hour or so maybe two

and i guess ulm(deccan) are the red candles i see next to me

[Aku]

only ryleh(msew) left for turn to host

[deccan]

Aku said:
and i guess ulm(deccan) are the red candles i see next to me



Well, I could tell you had a new fort from the charts, but yes, those red candles are probably me.

Which brings me to my question: this is my first MP game, do people usually gang up on and kill Ermor early in MP games?

Er, nothing personal Aku. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[Thufir]

deccan said:
Which brings me to my question: this is my first MP game, do people usually gang up on and kill Ermor early in MP games?




Never - but Ulm is a very popular target. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

[Aku]

well the mp game i had with ermor(boron was actually playing it) he was basically left alone until end game

he was making allies just fine by managing dominion with his allies

[Thufir]

Aku said:
well the mp game i had with ermor(boron was actually playing it) he was basically left alone until end game

he was making allies just fine by managing dominion with his allies



And you can count on Aku to be quite objective on this subject http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[deccan]

Thufir said:
Never - but Ulm is a very popular target. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif



Hmm, isn't that strange? I mean, I wouldn't think of Ulm as much of a late game threat, so it seems to me that most people would want to stay on Ulm's good side early game knowing that they can easily kill Ulm later.

[Aku]

i notice nobody specifically attacks certain nations...i think it goes by diplomacy and who your neighbors are because some neighbors like peace and others want to take you over

i guess its all random lol

[Thufir]

deccan said:

Thufir said:
Never - but Ulm is a very popular target. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif



Hmm, isn't that strange? I mean, I wouldn't think of Ulm as much of a late game threat, so it seems to me that most people would want to stay on Ulm's good side early game knowing that they can easily kill Ulm later.



Just trying to maximize the amount of disinformation out there http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[Aku]

new turn is up!!!

[deccan]

Aku said:
new turn is up!!!



Heh, notice that msew seems to be connected to the server a lot. I wish I had broadband in the Solomon Islands.

[jarenko]

pardon me friends,

what do the little crowns on the map signify?

[Aku]

victory points

we have to get a certain amount to win the game...i dont know how many though...not too familiar with victory point games

[deccan]

Since victory by victory points are not enabled in this game, they should have no effect. However, depending on the map, some provinces with vps may have special monsters.

[Aku]

list of players again

Pangaea PrinzMegaherz
R'lyeh msew
Ermor Aku
Man jarenko
Mictlan Boron
Abysia Thufir
Arcoscephale frosted flake
Vanheim odd_enuf
Jotunheim anatoli11
Ulm deccan


only jotum left for it to host(anatolill)

[Aku]

turn 10 is up

[Thufir]

Looks like player on player violence has already started - anyone care to report on the details? Surely someone has something to brag about, right? Enquiring minds want to know...

[Aku]

It could also be a misfortune event that caused arco to lose a province. But going by the graphs...Ulm, Mictlan, and Jotum all gained a province the same time Arco lost his.

And it looks like Ulm is going to invade me also.

[Aku]

only ulms turn left for it to host

[anatoli11]

Unfortunately Arco and I (Jotum) started side by each so I have been going at him out of desperation

[deccan]

Aku said:
only ulms turn left for it to host



I'm really sorry to keep the rest of you waiting, but I can only get in my turn in about 7 or 8 hours from now. Sorry. Same goes for CasualCarnage. I was hoping that Boron would get in his turn before I went to bed Last night, but I guess he was too busy with the other controversial thread.


Aku said:
And it looks like Ulm is going to invade me also.




I don't plan on invading anyone at the moment. I am prepared to give everyone who's interested a standard treaty of 3 turns notice before going to war. Anyone who agrees will also be spared from my spies formenting unrest. I reserve the right to use spies on anyone who doesn't have a treaty with me. Indies are fair game however, and as far as I'm concerned, indies are first come first served. So far as I can see, there are still plenty of indies to go after.

Ermor is a special consideration due to its destructive dominion and I attacked that indy province to lay claim to it in order to prevent Ermor from taking it and building a temple/fort in it. I won't attack any provinces already owned by Ermor, and the 3 turns treaty offer extends to Ermor as well.

Also, if we attack the same indie province, it belongs to however wins the battle that ensues. I'd take that as an accident and won't affect any treaty if one exists.

[Aku]

I would like one of those treaties.

[Thufir]

Aku said:
I would like one of those treaties.



Do you serve them by the dozen?

[jarenko]

I'm so happy no one borders me.. yet. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

[deccan]

Aku said:
I would like one of those treaties.



Signed, sealed and delivered.

How do these usually work?

Is it:

Turn 1: Declaration of hostile intent.
Turn 2: No hostile action.
Turn 3: Issue orders for hostile action.

[deccan]

jarenko said:
I'm so happy no one borders me.. yet. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif



I should be so lucky. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/Injured.gif

[Aku]

deccan that sounds fine by me

turn 11 is up

[Lepakko]

Post deleted by Lepakko

[Frosted Flake]

People are bound to start next to each other...didnt need to attack me turn 7 though. Anyhow I have Jotun's capital now ...and plan on keeping it.

Frosted Flake

[Boron]

Aku said:
It could also be a misfortune event that caused arco to lose a province. But going by the graphs...Ulm, Mictlan, and Jotum all gained a province the same time Arco lost his.

And it looks like Ulm is going to invade me also.



The nation of mictlan has gone insane and gone to war with ulm since they provoked us by spies causing unrest to do so .
Ermor your time has come to make a few easy grabs on ulm .

[msew]

just want to say: The pangaea satyrs are the bravest units ever. Everyone should be sending pangaea requests to train your troops in morale uberness.

[PrinzMegaherz]

just want to say: The pangaea satyrs are the bravest units ever. Everyone should be sending pangaea requests to train your troops in morale uberness.



Today was a bad day for me, but seeing my province defence destroying your main army made me smile again http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif. Anyway, it was a nice idea to use the kraken as an SC.
However,I offered you peace and you attacked me. Now I'll drive you back into the waters you came from squidhead

[Thufir]

Well, it seems that violence is breaking out everywhere, and thus the game's namesake is fulfilled http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

I must admit, I did expect that the indies would mostly gone before chaos ensued...

[msew]

yeah I am going to crawl into a hole as that battle was so utterly jacked up.

[PrinzMegaherz]

What really annoys me is that you managed to slow both of us so much that we are no match for the other nations out there.

[deccan]

Thufir said:
Well, it seems that violence is breaking out everywhere, and thus the game's namesake is fulfilled http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

I must admit, I did expect that the indies would mostly gone before chaos ensued...



It seems to me that high indy settings encourages players to go after provinces that have already been cleared by other opponents instead of risking troops taking new indies. A lower indy setting should help to reduce early wars and push players to kill all indies before engaging in a potentially debillitating early war.

[anatoli11]

Frosted Flake said:
People are bound to start next to each other...didnt need to attack me turn 7 though. Anyhow I have Jotun's capital now ...and plan on keeping it.

Frosted Flake



Sorry Frosted... I just felt backed into a corner and tried to take a bite out of you...

[Frosted Flake]

No apologies needed, obviuosly everyone has to play for their own survival, its just hard to wage war early on with another player. Even if you win you can lose

frosted flake


......man this castle has big beds

[jarenko]

did anyone attack me...

[jarenko]

29 minutes..


oh god I dont think Vanheim is going to make it!??!?!?!?!?!!

[deccan]

Ulm wishes to announce we have repulsed the unprovoked attack of the Mictlan. Furthermore, the untiring devotion of our priests have called our beloved Carnifex back from the land of shadow. We call upon all nations to destroy the Mictlan before their insanity spreads.

P.S. I'd love to see your battle msew.

[msew]

I will gladly post the battle a bit later in the game. I don't want to give away the various intel / hw locations / lands that people own this early in the game.

Suffice to say: I think the decision to attack pangaea's HW at the time I attacked was a correct decision. Sadly, the random number generator decided to roll VERY VERY VERY well for him. When his PD should have routed they didn't. And they continued to not rout for the entire battle.

And then 3 commanders retreat from battle and live. And my god retreats from battle and DIES?!!??! (no one I have talked to understands how that could have happened).

Just mind boggling.

[archaeolept]

certain damage effects still have to be calculated at the end of a battle, for instance your god may still have had poison damage to take, or someone may have cast bleed on him, or hit him w/ a baneblade, or somesuch.

if you actually got the message "has died retreating" while other commanders in the battle didn't, then that is very perplexing. perhaps save that trn file...

[PrinzMegaherz]

Msews god should have survived. He got 2 battle afflictions, but nothing serious, and he had a province to retreat to.

However, your army was not very strong. I assume the satyr's didn't rout because they killed more of your troops than they lost. Even if you had won that battle you would have had to fight my main army in the same turn, a battle you could not have won with so many casualties against the pd.

But it's just a game, so no need to get angry :-)

[Thufir]

jarenko said:
29 minutes..


oh god I dont think Vanheim is going to make it!??!?!?!?!?!!



So, did odd_enuf stale Last night? I notice he hasn't taken his turn yet on this (though he's still got plenty of time) - anyone hear from him lately?

[Thufir]

Lepakko said:
How Many player has allready Register in www.the-battlefield.com (http://www.the-battlefield.com) ?



I didn't hear any responses to Lepakko's post - if I remember correctly, Jarenko, you've registered, right? What's your ID? And Boron, how about you?

For everyone else that's not registered yet, it takes about 2 minutes, and it would be helpful for those of us that are interested in the ladder, here's the Battlefield URLs again:
http://www.the-battlefield.com
Battlefield Dom2 Page:
http://www.the-battlefield.com/index.php?page=dom2main&game=dom2
Battlefield Dom2 Forum:
http://www.the-battlefield.com/forum/index.php?showforum=27

[msew]

PrinzMegaherz said:
However, your army was not very strong. I assume the satyr's didn't rout because they killed more of your troops than they lost. Even if you had won that battle you would have had to fight my main army in the same turn, a battle you could not have won with so many casualties against the pd.





That army should have won against the PD with some casualities (some of the chaff dead). (which was to be replaced by 20 more chaff the next turn :-) )

The amount of chaff lost was out of control. And then the PD never routing was just mind boggling.

[PrinzMegaherz]

IMHO the death of your pretender is a bug. That's what I think happened: pretender is aquatic -> own sea province nearby? -> no -> kill pretender. It seems that the amulett of the fish or whatever it is called did not work properly.

[deccan]

Thufir said:
I didn't hear any responses to Lepakko's post - if I remember correctly, Jarenko, you've registered, right? What's your ID? And Boron, how about you?




Okay, okay, due to the constant nagging, I gave in and registered as "deccan". Happy now? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[Lepakko]

deccan that was so sweet http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[Thufir]

deccan said:
Okay, okay, due to the constant nagging, I gave in and registered as "deccan". Happy now? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif



Damn - I am so happy. You've made my day, Deccan. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Thufir]

Looks like odd_enuf has staled twice on us, now. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif

[Thufir]

I'll be turning over odd_enuf's position to AI this afternoon (PDT), if anybody knows any reason not to - now's the time to tell me.

- Thufir

[deccan]

Turn 16, and jarenko (man) staled.

[Thufir]

deccan said:
Turn 16, and jarenko (man) staled.



You know, this might not be his first stale, either.

Jarenko, are you alive???


Edit:
You know - I was just hoping we could pick up the pace on this game, this weekend. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/mad.gif Guess it was just not meant to be.

[Thufir]

Boron -

Are you there? Are you going to take your turn in this game?

And, if Boron, or anyone else out there is reading this post, could someone watch to see if Jarenko stales again?

- Thufir

[Thufir]

Well, I didn't see the actual stale happen, but I think it was 53 minutes before the turn processing happen, and I'm gonna say that's good enough for government work. Unless someone objects real soon, I'm going to find someone to set Jarenko to AI for us.

Hopefully that means we'll be rocking and rolling again in this game. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Boron]

i did my turn http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

we needed only 6 hours for the turn wow http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

[Thufir]

Boron said:
i did my turn http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

we needed only 6 hours for the turn wow http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif



Yeah that can happen when you don't have anyone going stale in the mix.

For everyone: Panther has now set Jarenko to AI, so hopefully we can make this game interesting and lively, once again http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Boron]

Hehe i am already fighting against getting wiped out by evil ulm http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Ok he didn't start the hostilities but does that legitimate me being wiped out ? I strongly think no http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

[Aku]

turn 18 is up

[jarenko]

Sorry guys, bit off more than I could chew. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif

I'd have loved to continue the game, but this type of MP gaming isnt for me.

The main problem is I kept forgetting about the game, as there was no... drama, suspense, nothing.

It is a bit like playing chess by mail. Move a piece here, move a piece there...

I understand the long turn times people put on games now. I would literally forget about games for 2-3 days at a time.

Deepest apologies to all, hope your game hasnt been ruined or in any way diminished. Don't think I'll sign up for another one of these, but I wish you all the best just the same.

[Lepakko]

How Many player has allready Register in www.the-battlefield.com (http://www.the-battlefield.com) ?

List

Lepakko
Thufir
deccan
Aku
Boron

[Aku]

who is pangaea? they are going to stale in a few hours

[Thufir]

Aku said:
who is pangaea? they are going to stale in a few hours



That's PrinzMegaherz, who I believe is located in Germany, so it's just now approaching his evening time. I don't think he's had a history of staling.

[Aku]

yeah its 7pm for him there then, he is probably just getting home from work

yeah and he hasnt staled once at all

[Aku]

turn 19 is up!

[Aku]

If anyone wants to trade me death gems for other gems or gold just send me a pm. I am gem income of all types.

Oh and news from the Ermorian front. The wyrm god Carnifex of Ulm has been slain once again by my undead minions of Ermor and has also put to rest the Ulmish Heroine Hildegard.

[deccan]

Aku said:
Oh and news from the Ermorian front. The wyrm god Carnifex of Ulm has been slain once again by my undead minions of Ermor and has also put to rest the Ulmish Heroine Hildegard.



Heh. And he got killed by those longdeads you kept summoning in battle too. Plus I think my xbows did more damage to me than to you.

At least I killed boatloads of undead.

To the bitter end! (Then I can start yet another game, yippee!) http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[PrinzMegaherz]

I have experience with loosing pretenders early in the game. Believe me, it's not as bad as it seems first http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Boron]

I can't connect to the game atm http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif
Always a crash only with this particular game .
I will try 1-2 hours later hopefully it works then .

[deccan]

Boron said:
I can't connect to the game atm http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif
Always a crash only with this particular game .
I will try 1-2 hours later hopefully it works then .



I just tried. I crashed the first time but it worked fine the second time I tried.

[Lepakko]

yep it hapend me 2. Just need to open game 2 times

[Aku]

yeah the game always stops responding the first time i try to open it then i close it and try immediately again and it works fine lol

[Aku]

boron do your turn, i see you posting on the forums lol

[Boron]

yeah could connect finally http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Your suggestion connecting multiple times strangely doesn't work http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif
Tried it 5 times in a row about 4 hours before didn't help http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif

[Aku]

turn 20 is up

[anatoli11]

I have tried 10+ times to connect to the game today but it just hangs - my other game works OK. Any suggestions?

[Thufir]

anatoli11 said:
I have tried 10+ times to connect to the game today but it just hangs - my other game works OK. Any suggestions?



Nothing very helpful, Boron encountered the same thing yesterday. Mainly, just wait an hour or two and try again. The one other thing I do is to put the network parameters on the command line, in order to iterate between attempts as quickly as possible. Here's the command line I use for Pandemonium2:

dom2-2.12.exe --tcpclient --ipadr mosehansen.dk --port 2296-m

where dom2-2.12.exe is the 2.12 Version of dom2.exe.


BTW, I really appreciate you sticking it out in the fight with Arco and I! If there's no comeback for you in the near term, I hope to see you in another game. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[The Panther]

What does the -m at the end do for you?

[Thufir]

Nothing, that I know of. I just took it off another post, and it worked. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Thufir]

The game is waiting on you now, Anatoli - any luck getting through?

[Aku]

turn 22 is up

[Aku]

who is playing ctis? i cant find it

anyone maybe can post all the players and nations if they can find it in the thread?

[Thufir]

Aku said:
who is playing ctis? i cant find it

anyone maybe can post all the players and nations if they can find it in the thread?



Lepakko is playing C'tis. I've been maintaining, and will continue to maintain the current player list on the initial post for this thread.

[Aku]

cool thanks

now I know that both AI players are next to me lol

[Lepakko]

You damn lucky guy... what nation are Ai?

[PrinzMegaherz]

Man and Vanheim

[Aku]

turn 23 is up

[Aku]

just pangaea left(prinzemegahertz)

[deccan]

Turn 24, and Aku, Boron, this ring around the rosie thing is getting boring already. Hurry up and let's have a battle.

[Boron]

deccan said:
Turn 24, and Aku, Boron, this ring around the rosie thing is getting boring already. Hurry up and let's have a battle.



I don't attack you in your capitol . I would just loose my army then . Your force there is still too impressive to be attacked unsplitted . Perhaps Aku gives it a try though who knows .

[Aku]

nah deccan can keep his capital...i have no plans to attack it either lol

[deccan]

Aku said:
nah deccan can keep his capital...i have no plans to attack it either lol



What, no one wants a nice gem income of 5 earth per turn?

Pity I don't have a growth scale, else, I'll sit in my capital for the whole game, and eventually become the most powerful nation this way, hahaha.

[Thufir]

deccan said:

Aku said:
nah deccan can keep his capital...i have no plans to attack it either lol



What, no one wants a nice gem income of 5 earth per turn?

Pity I don't have a growth scale, else, I'll sit in my capital for the whole game, and eventually become the most powerful nation this way, hahaha.



I'm always a fan for fighting it out to the bitter end, but if ever there were a justification for going AI, this would be it. Deccan, feel free to go AI if you want, just let us know.

- Thufir

[Aku]

nah deccan can make a comeback

i actually have no plans to assualt him further so he does have hope to gain back some base of power

but if he tries to take back any land i took from him all he is going to get is land that was severely pillaged muahahahaha

[deccan]

Aku said:
nah deccan can make a comeback

i actually have no plans to assualt him further so he does have hope to gain back some base of power

but if he tries to take back any land i took from him all he is going to get is land that was severely pillaged muahahahaha



Come back? Not bloody likely. But if everyone leaves me alone, I think I'll sit in my capital and make mechanical men or something.

[Aku]

well going by the forces in your capital right now i think boron and i were like screw that because it is going to take too much manpower to take that capital

[deccan]

Aku said:
well going by the forces in your capital right now i think boron and i were like screw that because it is going to take too much manpower to take that capital



Or more likely, either of you could take the capital, but that would leave whoever tried terribly vulnerable to the other. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[Aku]

yeah that too deccan lol

i basically left an expendable regiment on the border and went to do other things

[Aku]

turn 26 is up

[Thufir]

Aku said:
turn 26 is up



that was quick!

Mikey likes it!!! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

[Thufir]

Anatoli has decided to go AI (really, there's nothing left for him to do, anyhow). So, unless someone objects, I'll set him to AI myself this time, as I know where he is on the map, and I don't think there's anything important to be revealed.

Thanks for fighting it out Anatoli, hope to see you in another game!

[anatoli11]

I want to thank you guys for the game - a great learning experience.

Hope to play against you all again in the future. Good luck to all!!

[Aku]

Take care anatoli.

[Lepakko]

we lost first player?