OT: Lots of pretty pictures! Look down!

[narf poit chez BOOM]

Is it just me or is the subject box smaller?

Anyway, I can get the screenshot window up, but I have no idea how to save the image.

[David E. Gervais]

Narf, in any windows program you can usually just hit "Print Screen" (next to the scroll lock and pause keys on your keyboard found to the right of the function keys.)

This copies the current screen to memory (the clipboard) and then you can open up most any paint program even MSPaint and simply 'paste' the screenshot into a new document. (ctrl+v is the keyboard shortcut to 'paste'.)

I hope this helps, Cheers! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

[narf poit chez BOOM]

David E. Gervais said:
Narf, in any windows program you can usually just hit "Print Screen" (next to the scroll lock and pause keys on your keyboard found to the right of the function keys.)

This copies the current screen to memory (the clipboard) and then you can open up most any paint program even MSPaint and simply 'paste' the screenshot into a new document. (ctrl+v is the keyboard shortcut to 'paste'.)

I hope this helps, Cheers! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif



Yeah, it does. Thanks. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif
Image removed, new, smaller, sleeker, faster image with better turning radius to follow. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Ragnarok]

Narf, nice image but perhaps you could resize it so that it does not mess up the formatting of the thread. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[Ed Kolis]

Nice fighter, reminds me of the Fazrah http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif
And I hope you enjoy using Wings http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif
BTW, if you want you can also render in OpenGL or if you have it Yafray - which is free at www.yafray.org (http://www.yafray.org) (don't be fooled by the low Version number, it's actually quite functional); you can also download plugins to render in Povray or Renderman compliant renderers, but the Renderman plugin is currently broken and won't let you put multiple textures on a single obect... a pity since it looks so easy to fix and Renderman renderers produce such nice output... they even let you use custom procedural shaders, and Aqsis (a free Renderman renderer, www.aqsis.com (http://www.aqsis.com)) even has a "bake" plugin to convert procedural textures to UV textures so you could use them with Starfury or SE5! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/shock.gif

[narf poit chez BOOM]

Ed Kolis said:
Nice fighter, reminds me of the Fazrah http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif
And I hope you enjoy using Wings http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif
BTW, if you want you can also render in OpenGL or if you have it Yafray - which is free at www.yafray.org (http://www.yafray.org) (don't be fooled by the low Version number, it's actually quite functional); you can also download plugins to render in Povray or Renderman compliant renderers, but the Renderman plugin is currently broken and won't let you put multiple textures on a single obect... a pity since it looks so easy to fix and Renderman renderers produce such nice output... they even let you use custom procedural shaders, and Aqsis (a free Renderman renderer, www.aqsis.com (http://www.aqsis.com)) even has a "bake" plugin to convert procedural textures to UV textures so you could use them with Starfury or SE5! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/shock.gif


How do you use the OpenGL renderer? I've got the image in the window, now what do I do?

[Ed Kolis]

Hmm, it's not saving to a file somewhere? Let's see... oh, you have to hit the little box thingy to the right of "OpenGL" on the Render menu; that will bring up the render options window and you can choose to render to a TGA file, which should be convertible to a BMP or JPG or whatever you want by something like IrfanView.

To get a better render than OpenGL provides, you might want to download Yafray at www.yafray.org (http://www.yafray.org); Wings has pretty good support for Yafray rendering, and you get more options for the texturing, too, since it's a raytracer.

[narf poit chez BOOM]

Ed Kolis said:
Hmm, it's not saving to a file somewhere? Let's see... oh, you have to hit the little box thingy to the right of "OpenGL" on the Render menu; that will bring up the render options window and you can choose to render to a TGA file, which should be convertible to a BMP or JPG or whatever you want by something like IrfanView.

To get a better render than OpenGL provides, you might want to download Yafray at www.yafray.org (http://www.yafray.org); Wings has pretty good support for Yafray rendering, and you get more options for the texturing, too, since it's a raytracer.


And here's a pretty picture for your trouble. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif
http://www3.telus.net/funnybnz/Winged Fighter.png
Now, to try out yafray...

Oh, and there really is more to come. I've got some models already made.

Ed Kolis said:
Nice fighter, reminds me of the Fazrah http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif



I was thinking of a certain old tv show I think we all know when I made it. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

http://www3.telus.net/funnybnz/BowAngleView.png
And a bow...

With a string...
http://www3.telus.net/funnybnz/BowStringView.png
Should probably go back to an earlier one and seperate the string from the bow...

Mad bow! Mad bow! Yeah, lame joke. But still funny.
http://www3.telus.net/funnybnz/Crossbow.png

This one I call a disrupter for no particular reason.
http://www3.telus.net/funnybnz/Disrupter.png

A carrier. The fighter launch slots are too smoothed, but you can see them.
http://www3.telus.net/funnybnz/Carrier.png

A double-hulled ship. Battlecruiser of the Crab Imperium?
http://www3.telus.net/funnybnz/Double-Hulled Ship.png

Think throwing things and figure it out. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif
http://www3.telus.net/funnybnz/Frisbee.png

It's a sheild; heraldic, I think.
http://www3.telus.net/funnybnz/Heraldic Sheild.png

It's a plasma gun with attached shoulder strap.
http://www3.telus.net/funnybnz/Plasma Gun.png

A spikey thing. Ed Kolis, I think, was telling me some of the stuff you could do in wings, so for some reason I did them all on one cube. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif
http://www3.telus.net/funnybnz/Spikey.png

I hope I don't have to tell you what this one is. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif
http://www3.telus.net/funnybnz/Sword.png

And that's it. There's a few more, but they aren't as visually interesting. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Ok, um, how do I install yafray as a plugin?

[Ed Kolis]

I like the bows - would make a good addition to any fantasy based mod with some textures on them http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

To set up Yafray, just download it from www.yafray.org (http://www.yafray.org) and follow the installer instructions, then go into Wings and hit the Edit | Plugin Preferences | Yafray menu option, and browse to the location of yafray.exe. There's no plugin you need to install because Yafray support is built into Wings.

[Slynky]

You've been having TOO much fun, OBVIOUSLY! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

[narf poit chez BOOM]

Slynky said:
You've been having TOO much fun, OBVIOUSLY! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif



Some sort of cargo craft, I guess.
http://www3.telus.net/funnybnz/Box-Wing Ship.png
What is this 'TOO much fun' of which you speak?

AT, DOGA good, Wings better!

[Ed Kolis]

Narf, you could make Doga parts for Atrocities with Wings so his shipsets could look a bit more varied... I've been wanting to do that myself but I really don't know what kinds of parts to make, and converting them to the proper format is a bit of a pain - Wings doesn't natively support .DXF, which is the only way to get new parts into Doga, so we'd have to export our parts as .OBJ or .3DS or something and convert them with some converter tool... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif

BTW, hasn't Atrocities "retired" from shipset making at least a few times already? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[narf poit chez BOOM]

Their coming to get you...
http://www3.telus.net/funnybnz/Neat Spaceship.png

/me pokes AT and points at E.Coli's post.

[Ed Kolis]

Hey Narf... check this out

http://news.povray.org/povray.binaries.scene-files/thread/<4126d419%40news.povray.org>/

If you export your models to Povray, here's a way to autogenerate UV textures for them from something called procedural textures, which IMO are a lot more flexible and easier to work with, not to mention having no ugly seams! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/cool.gif

Just don't smooth everything so much, because this method is REALLY slow - even the sample 750 triangle model provided with the technique took several minutes on my (admittedly dated) P3 1.2GHz machine... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif

[narf poit chez BOOM]

Ok, so, uh, what do I do with that? It didn't seem to say.
Thanks.

[Ed Kolis]

Well it's kinda tricky actually... you basically have to run Wings' UV mapper on your model, export it to Povray format, then put your mesh data (the verts, faces, uvs, etc. that you see in the arrays) in the place of the mesh data that's in the sample, in the format specified in the sample (you have to get rid of the numbers that aren't in angle brackets) and render the modified sample with Povray... actually I did it a bit differently but this way is easier to explain that include files and stuff http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif

[narf poit chez BOOM]

Input 500 peices of mesh data? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/shock.gif

Uh, thanks anyway, but I think I'll just export it to milkshape and go from there.

[Ed Kolis]

Well you can copy and paste as much as you need to... /threads/images/Graemlins/crazy.gif

[narf poit chez BOOM]

Povray format is copy-pasteable? Ok, now how do I get wings to export to Povray? I looked at the export function and didn't see that option.

[Ed Kolis]

You need a plugin, but the plugin only works with the stable Version, not the development Version. Get the plugin here: http://www.midcoast.com.au/~rgcoy/software.html

[narf poit chez BOOM]

Thanks.

[narf poit chez BOOM]

What's the best 3d export option for keeping detail in wings?

Oh, and can you use vertex color to help texture and if so, how?

I checked the wings site, but it didn't seem to be in the tutorials.

[Ed Kolis]

What do you mean "for keeping detail"? Exporting a file shouldn't remove geometry; all you might lose is some textures and such.

If I'm not mistaken, vertex colors are basically just an alternate way of texturing your models and in Wings you can't have both vertex colors and UV textures on your models at the same time; you can convert between the two, however, though you will lose detail when you convert from UV to vertex colors as there are many more points on the UV plane than there are vertices in a typical model!

[narf poit chez BOOM]

Well, I remember converting one model to .3DS and loading it in wings and at least two of the vertecis seemed to have moved.

No unwrapping? I guess it's time to head into the wild world of texture generation. */me grabs a torch...

[Ed Kolis]

What do you mean no unwrapping? Use AutoUV to unwrap your model...

[narf poit chez BOOM]

Uh...Where IS my brain these daze? Sucked down the toilet by prescription allergy meds is my excuse.

[narf poit chez BOOM]

Ok, I got around to the UVMapper(Was reading a ST vs. SW site) and I've almost got it figured out, except I can't seem to get it to unfold all the way around, I get top-down views and stuff like that. Is there any way to do that except more Groups? Because I've seen textures that wrapped, front to back, I think.

Ok, there's those auvchart colors...But still not automatic.

Ok, so their are some automappers. Don't work very well, though.

It obvoiusly doesn't work off of the Groups set in the main window. I sub-divided part of it and it changed nothing.

[Hugh Manatee]

(Was reading a ST vs. SW site)



It's amazing how those things can suck you in....

BTW, who won?

[narf poit chez BOOM]

I'm not through it yet, very technical. The link is in the Char vs Char thread.

Did you know there's something on your head?