Newbie Slug Fest - Mose Hansen game - ENDED

[The Panther]

For all those people who missed out on the new gigantic newbie game from Boron, I have decided to start my first Moses Hansen MP game for newbies only. The definition of a newbie is that you must have previously played, or are playing, in a maximum of 10 MP games all together. For reference, this will be my 7th MP game.

The other rule is that you MUST take a race in which you have no MP experience of any kind. SP experience is fine, of course.

Settings:
Indies - 8
Research - Hard
Capitol VPs + 20 VPs = 30
13 VPs to win
magic sites = 35
Map - Inland
No water races
First 10 players are in


Here is the final player list:
Caelum - Panther
Ulm - Pasha Dawg
Pythium - Krool Death
Machaka - Baboune
Arcoscephale - Steerpike
Jontunheim - Deccan
Ermor - Melkor
Abysia - Grim Knight
Vanheim - Beorne
Mictlan - Pickles

[PashaDawg]

Hey Panther!

Thanks for setting up the game. I will jump in as Ulm.

When do you estimate starting the game? I wanna tweak my pretender a bit to get the right recipe so I can squish all other rivals like tiny little caterpillars under a teaspoon. . . ****S..Q..U..I..S..H**** /threads/images/Graemlins/Envy.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

[KroolDeath]

Panther...I might be really interested in this but I have been reluctant to join in any new games because there are two weekends I will be out of town this month and it would result in a stale turn those two Saturday's we're I'm not available.

So either, no one complains about the stales, or I talk our gracious host into going 48 hours those particular weekends.

Krool

[The Panther]

I have no problems with going 48 hours upon request. That is, if I know how to actually do that...

[baboune]

Hi,

I want in. I will play Machaka. give me some time to create a Pretender.

[Steerpike]

This will be my second multiplayer game. Seeing as I am getting thrashed in my first as Mictlan I think Arco would be a good change. Please Put me down for Arco.

[deccan]

I'm defecting from Boron's game. I want in as Jotun.

[DragonFire11]

Hi. I'd like to join the party if I can. I'll try the Giants! Thanks!

- Dragonfire11 (aka Melkor on the server)

[Aku]

ill sign up as jotum

havent even tried them in sp yet...let me see what themes they got now lol

[The_Tauren13]

wow three people all claim jotunheim at the same time

[Aku]

damn all those Posts happened same time lol

[Aku]

ill try pythium then

[Aku]

ill try pythium then

[Aku]

ill try pythium then

[Aku]

ill try pythium then

[Aku]

bah it posted 4 times lmfao

the forum went down or something when i hit the reply button...i thought it wouldnt have even sent the reply but instead it sent it 4 times lmfao

[DragonFire11]

That's funny. Well it looks like deccan beat me fair and square. I haven't played too many races. I'll give the big bad race Ermor a try. A bit leery of doing so, b/c I don't have the skill of those master players. How about I be a kinder, gentler undead. You know, a compassionate zombie leader spreading disease, death, and bad social policy. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Grim Knight]

I have only 3 current MP games so I will join as Abysia.

[Aku]

actually ive been thinking about it and im going to withdraw from the game

I have college starting this week and combined with work I am not sure its a good idea to jump into another game until I get settled in. So Pythium is free if anybody wants to choose it.

I do want to play another game with you Panther but its just a bad time and I am currently in 4 games still(was 5 but our other game ended so its 4 now).

Sorry about the withdraw. Talk to you later Panther.

[Cainehill]

DragonFire11 said:
How about I be a kinder, gentler undead. You know, a compassionate zombie leader spreading disease, death, and bad social policy. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif



Ah! A member of the Bush administration? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[Lepakko]

so its 24 or 48 hour host?

[deccan]

Whoa, won the Jotuns by three minutes! Actually I don't mind giving up the Jotuns if you're really set on it DragonFire 11.

[Beorne]

I'd like to join as Van
I'll upload the Pretender this afternoon.
Wich map?
Bye

[Lepakko]

Plz tell fast is it 24 or 48 hour host... if its 24 hour i will take Man

[deccan]

Panther doesn't seem to stay on much. I believe it is 24 hours in the beginning, perhaps moving to 48 hours later.

[PashaDawg]

Yup. I think it is 24 hour quickhost immediately, with the option to switch to 48 hour quickhost upon request.

[PashaDawg]

The Panther said:
Map - Inland

[Lepakko]

You guys will heard this ones more... could we make it ladder http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

if yes... i take man

[The Panther]

Aku said:
bah it posted 4 times lmfao

the forum went down or something when i hit the reply button...i thought it wouldnt have even sent the reply but instead it sent it 4 times lmfao



So, it was YOU who crashed the forum Last night, Aku!

Sorry all, I went to bed when the forum crashed. But I see that all the questions were answered but one:
This is NOT a ladder game, just a normal Mose Hansen game.

[Pickles]

This looks to my taste - it will be my 9th MP game not counting three 2 player games only one of which Lasted beyond turn 4. I am not sure who to take as I am running out of new races I have any empathy for but I will say Mictlan but I am happy to swap.

Pickles

[PashaDawg]

I have uploaded my God Pretender.

When do you hope to start the game?

[The Panther]

We now have a full house - maybe...

I have reserved a spot for Krool Death, though he did not reserve a race. I have also reserved Man for Lepakko in case he wants to play despite this not being a ladder game.

With these two, it will be 11 players. If both decline, then I will reopen the game to accept a tenth player.

I am still working on a Caelum pretender. Caelum seems hard to play so far with my limited practice in SP. The 8 indies with hard research make for a very slow expansion with the wimpy ice troops. The rout so darn easy, even the mammoths.

But I know Caelum must be a good race because all the pros like it!

[KroolDeath]

Guys, I think it is 24h, I just had made a comment that I would be out of town a couple of Saturday's this month and was wondering if we could temporarily switch it to 48h on those days (although I could just get a sub or staleI suppose).

Personally, I think 48h is ideal. Most everyone is going to take a turn daily, basically making it a 24h game, but 48h affords you the luxury of being gone for a day without staling, or if the wife is sick of watching you pour over the domII manual and dozens of spreadsheets and charts to plan your next move. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Krool

[KroolDeath]

Ok, I am in...Give me a few to see whats left and I'll post and create my pretender shortly.

And I was going to mow my lawn... darn. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Krool

[The Panther]

I already replied that I will change to 48 hour upon request. You have already requested it for the future, so all you need to to tell me right before you need it changed. Oh, and pick a race too.

I intend for it to stay 24 hours for the most part, so I will switch back and forth as people need the extra time.

I dont like a permanent 48+ hour thing because of people who go AWOL without saying anything. It can slow the game to a crawl. However, late game when the position is difficult, especially on a large map, then 48 hours is good. But on inland with only 13 of 30 VPs required, I doubt we will ever get to that point.

[KroolDeath]

I'll take Pythium.

And yes, I could see where 48h could lend itself to AWOL players.

I'll upload a pretender soon.

Krool

[PashaDawg]

Do we know if Lapakko is playing? He wanted to plan Man only if this was a ladder game.

[Boron]

The Panther said:

I am still working on a Caelum pretender. Caelum seems hard to play so far with my limited practice in SP. The 8 indies with hard research make for a very slow expansion with the wimpy ice troops. The rout so darn easy, even the mammoths.

But I know Caelum must be a good race because all the pros like it!



Your settings are rather Caelumhostile http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif
The hard research prevents quite a bit expansion by mages / Scs .
Caelums troops need lots of supply http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif

Caelum is not feared because of his troops but because of his mages + Sc abilities thnx to cold 3 , very fast research etc.

You still have preresearched wind guide though http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[DragonFire11]

Deccan -- thanks for your offer re the giants. But you got it first. As long as we don't do a ladder, I'll gladly try Ermor.

[Beorne]

I just uploaded the Van pretender

[KroolDeath]

OK, Pythium is uploaded.

Wow,it amazes me everytime with the number of variables to be considered when creating a new Pretender and wondering whether the "build" of the Pretender, Scales, Magic,etc., will pay off.

Krool

[The Panther]

Only 3 to go, including yours truly.

But I agree with this pretender design difficulty. I can't seem to find one which works with high indy and hard magic, lol.

So, why did I set it up this way anyway???

[The Panther]

Only two left to upload:

Deccan as Jontunheim
Pickles as Mictlan

[deccan]

I'm loading mine after I get back from work. Figure on another 6 hours or so. Sorry about that. Never played the Jotuns before so a bit confused about what pretender / theme to use.

[The Panther]

No problem. Pickles is asleep in London anyway.

[The Panther]

All uploaded but one now. I am off to bed and I hope Pickles loads his pretender whilst I am snoozing. He should be getting up soon in London, but likely has to go to work. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif

The game will start whenever Pickles has uploaded his Mictlan pretender. This ought to be tomorrow.

[Beorne]

deccan said:
I'm loading mine after I get back from work. Figure on another 6 hours or so. Sorry about that. Never played the Jotuns before so a bit confused about what pretender / theme to use.


This is a newbie game! You don't have to think too much into designigning your pretender http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif
I've just considered I made a couple of mistakes ... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif

[deccan]

Beorne said:
This is a newbie game! You don't have to think too much into designigning your pretender http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif
I've just considered I made a couple of mistakes ... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif



Be warned, inland map can get really crowded with 10 players. And with a relatively high indy setting, players will prefer to attack other players instead of indies.

[Beorne]

deccan said:
Be warned, inland map can get really crowded with 10 players. And with a relatively high indy setting, players will prefer to attack other players instead of indies.



It's more fun! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Are you threating me before game start? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

[deccan]

Beorne said:
Are you threating me before game start? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif



Haha. I have no qualifications to threaten anyone. My giants just want a nice quiet piece of land to settle in and raise baby giants. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[Beorne]

Ah! you are the damn Juton! I'm Van, you know that we'll end exterminating each other in Ragnarok with no winner, it's already written! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

[PashaDawg]

Looks like everyone has uploaded their pretenders. Let the slug fest begin!

[The Panther]

The game has started. Good luck to all. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/cool.gif

Well, not TOO much luck, as the angels from above might frown upon anyone displaying excessive luck. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

Feel free to post in here as interesting things happen in the game.

For instance, the mighty army of Caelum was content to stay at home and study in the library for the first month. The war can wait!

[The Panther]

deccan said:
Be warned, inland map can get really crowded with 10 players. And with a relatively high indy setting, players will prefer to attack other players instead of indies.



This is so true. Inland has only about 150 land provs and 5 water ones. It is also wraparound and has very few choke points. With ten players on such a wide open map, this means that everyone is going to start right next to someone. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/Injured.gif

So you better dust off your scrolls and have some very good messengers going to your nearest neighbors right off the bat if you want to survive in this crowded realm! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

[Beorne]

I'm very happy this game is going very fast, considering part of the players have work to do etc.
But ...
I put my hands ahead beforetime, I have to go to Rome for work (this is a rare event indeed) next thursday 16 and I'll return the day after, friday 17 (oh oh ...). I don't know if the Last turn I can make will be thursday morning very early (about 07AM) or afternoon (about 05PM). The next turn will be probably friday at 11PM.
This means an idle time of 55-70 hours.
Could you wait for me? It is very difficult for me to find a substitute for some turns, but if you can't accept it I'll try to find one or I'll be idle.

PS: all my times are GMT+1 (central europe), so adjust times accordingly for yor zone (west coast is -9 and est coast is
-6, I think)

Thank you.

[The Panther]

No problem changing this to 48 hours upon request. I said in the thread that I would do that, so the other players cannot legitimately complain.

Having never done this before, I am not all that certain how it works. I assume that I must make the change BEFORE you move so it will be in effect while you are away. if anyone knows for sure how this works on Mose Hansen, I would appreciate your wisdom.

What you need to do is post in here on Wednesday evening (your time) and remind me to do this. I will adjust the time about 7 PM my time. I am GMT-7, so this will be in the middle of the night in Italy.

You can make your move on Thursday and then have a minimum of 48 hours to make the next one. While you are away, I will change it back to 24 hours, unless that weekend is when Krool Death needs the extra time. In that is the case, I will leave it at 48 hours throughout the weekend.

[The Panther]

Beorne said:
I don't know if the Last turn I can make will be thursday morning very early (about 07AM) or afternoon (about 05PM). The next turn will be probably friday at 11PM.
This means an idle time of 55-70 hours.




By the way, your math is wrong. Are you a lawyer or something? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

From 7 AM Thursday to 11 PM Friday is only 40 hours.

[Beorne]

No, I'm a computer scientist. That's why your windows goes blu http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif .

You were right, in fact I edited my previous mail because I put in a wrong Last turn day (I never really learned well days in eng). I'll do the Last turn on Wednesday cause I'll depart after work in the late afternoon. I hope to have the time to pass from my house to do the turn. Unfortunately the idle hours are correct.

[Alneyan]

Beorne, if it would make your life easier, I should be able to act as a temporary replacement player while you are away. Be warned you should give me some instructions though, as I am not a big fond of Vanheim.

[Beorne]

You're very kind, I'll consider your proposal, thank you!

[Esben Mose Hansen]

The Panther said:
Having never done this before, I am not all that certain how it works. I assume that I must make the change BEFORE you move so it will be in effect while you are away. if anyone knows for sure how this works on Mose Hansen, I would appreciate your wisdom.



In short: When you change it the host time to 48, the next hosting will be in 48 hours.

Submitted turns should no longer be lost, though I haven't had this confirmed outside of my own testing.

Hope this helps.

[The Panther]

OK, I think I have it.

Just to be safe, I will change the host schedule to 48 hours before moving. Then I will then do my turn and hopefully it will not be lost. Next, the current turns host normally, either by quickhost or by the 24 hours running out. The following turn will then immediately show 48 hours to the next host.

I can then do the reverse to change back to 24 hours.

[PashaDawg]

The Panther said:


By the way, your math is wrong. Are you a lawyer or something? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

From 7 AM Thursday to 11 PM Friday is only 40 hours.



HEY! I'm a lawyer and take exception with your foul dispersion on my beloved profession. What? Are you an Engineer or something? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

[The Panther]

lol, I am an engineer. How'd you guess???

But my daughter is taking pre-law at the University of Oklahoma. So I am going to have to quit with the lawyer jokes at some point in time...

[Pickles]

Well that or get sued

[PashaDawg]

The Panther said:
lol, I am an engineer. How'd you guess???

But my daughter is taking pre-law at the University of Oklahoma. So I am going to have to quit with the lawyer :jokes at some point in time...



You probably guessed that I checked your profile.

Hey! I like this game so far. Already share a border with Machaka (the new Great Spider Lord, no doubt), and I see you (PANTHER) to my south.

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[DragonFire11]

Wow, I'm almost wiped out already. I suppose it's no surprise when my lands are defended by a skeleton crew.

[The Panther]

I was wondering why your province count was heading the wrong direction. Who did this to you?

[DragonFire11]

Well, honestly I fault myself. I probably should have played it a bit safer. Instead, I launched an ill-advised invasion against independents and lost my prophet and starting troops in the process. Because I cannot recruit on this setting (which I have never before played) I've been pretty weak since then. So along comes Mictlan, he smells weakness, invades my two poorly defended provinces and is sieging my Last. So it's almost time to go to the grave (again). I can hardly blame Mictlan, though I always long for a long interesting life. He doesn’t sound like he’s in a bargaining mood either.

[Steerpike]

Yeah I saw some of the action with my scouts and boy Mictlan handed it to you on a plate without much trouble for him. Mind you I have little sympathy for Ahen Empire Ermor I mean diplomatically you are just begging for your neighbours to attack you. I think this map is not suited to this empire at all. And why dont people take normal Ermor? Theyre not bad IMO,playing them in single player I had a great time and diplomatically you are not the evil one to be destroyed by all as soon as they can gang up on you.

[DragonFire11]

Steerpike, I have to agree. When I joined the game I wanted to be the giants but it was taken. I figured I should get some Ermor experience under my belt. Sort of a know your enemy kind of thing. Sadly, I did not bank much experience here. Also, I didn't know what I was getting into with the Ashen Empire. I was surprised to find I could not recruit! You can laugh, but this is a newbie game after all.

[DragonFire11]

And you have scouts out here already? That's fast work indeed.

[DragonFire11]

And I see that you are in Melbourne. How is my tomorrow doing today?

[Steerpike]

Tommorrow is raining at the moment. Elephants are expensive and scouts are cheap. Also im not too concerned about research yet, I think I will be able to catch up. I am surprised you didnt try them in single player though. Ermor I believe starts out relatively weak regardless If given time to build up they are very,very nasty thats why I think this map was not a good one for Ermor. In my one and only other game where I played Mictlan incidently SG Ermor started in the corner of Karans map and he really had time to build up. I got knocked into next week by Machaka but I still think Mictlan is pretty good.

[Steerpike]

There is No guarantee that it will be raining in Arizona tomorrow.

[PashaDawg]

I tried playing Mictlan in SP for a while. It seemed like such a hassle to constantly be scrounging up blood slaves to keep your dominion growing. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/Sick.gif Well... that's my three cents.

Dragonfire11 - - - you know I hate seeing you go *POOF* so fast. Better luck next time. Perhaps, a friendly 1v1 email game would be a good thing. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

[DragonFire11]

So what is hotter, Arizona or the interior? In the past ten years it reached 122 in Phoenix. That, even by our standards, was stinking hot. Hitting 115 in July happens regularly.

[deccan]

DragonFire11 said:
And you have scouts out here already? That's fast work indeed.



Hey, didn't you kill one of MY scouts back in, what turn 3, 4? Reminds me, I still owe you 10 gp. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

[DragonFire11]

Deccan, go ahead and keep it as a momento of the time when the undead were the undisputed king of a single province. Sob.

[DragonFire11]

And as for you Mr. PashaDawg, are you saying that I should go back to the shallow end in the kiddie pool? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[Steerpike]

The difficult magic research is a major drag. This is the first game I have played with that setting and man it seems to take forever to get anything researched.It must be good for Ulm though.

[PashaDawg]

Steerpike said:
The difficult magic research is a major drag. This is the first game I have played with that setting and man it seems to take forever to get anything researched.It must be good for Ulm though.



Yup! The BLACK IRON LORD OF ULM is very pleased. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

[PashaDawg]

DragonFire11 said:
And as for you Mr. PashaDawg, are you saying that I should go back to the shallow end in the kiddie pool? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif



Get, thee, Dragonfire11, to the shallow end of the kiddie pool and bring me back a shrubbery. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif

[The Panther]

Steerpike said:
The difficult magic research is a major drag. This is the first game I have played with that setting and man it seems to take forever to get anything researched.It must be good for Ulm though.



Don't forget it is the same for everyone. I too am having problems getting the research done that I want. False horrors? Light years away! Am I am the guy who set it up that way...

Meanwhile, those races with powerful national troops (Ulm anyone?) can get things done easier than the magic-dependent nations. It seems a decent change of pace to me, almost a balancing of typical top races.

I am just glad I am not playing Mictlan, for I think it would hurt that race more than any other. Pickles, what do you think???

[Beorne]

I'm going to be away today and the next two days. I don't know if i will able to do a turn today at about 16:00 (GMT+1). I know I will do the next turn Friday at 22:00.
I will have as temporary replacement the kind Alneyan for this time.
I'm then asking to you to put (until friday) the quickHost to 24h. I'm sorry, the game is very fast paced.
I think I'll be the next after Ermor to exit, clearly I'm too newbie and winning with my friends doesn't mean I can stand up in an international tourey. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[The Panther]

do you mean 24 hours or 48 hours?

I will assume it is a typo and you meant 48. It has been changed.

[Alneyan]

*Sighs* The replacing player cannot replace anything for the moment being. I seem to be back to my usual problem with Dominions via TCP/IP, and cannot log in to the game. It worked fine when I tried two days ago, but it no longer works. The symptom looks quite like the usual "cannot connect" problem with Mosehansen, except that no amount of "connect/disconnect/reconnect" works.

Anybody having the slightest clue about the why of this problem will receive my praises. A similar problem also plagues me with SEIV, and so Dominions is unlikely guilty for it.

[Pickles]

I regret the demise of Ermor (assuming the siege goes OK) but I was already losing dominion to him & that could not be allowed to continue plus he looked weak.

I think that the title of this game is very misleading as in my opinion Panther's 10 game newby criterion means you might not really be a newby at all. Like me & Panther.

I also think these settings are bad for newbies as the game is too intense. I really like the settings but they are not forgiving.

Pickles (Mictlan) feeling like a shark

[Steerpike]

losing is learning, slightly harsh but you know who says losing cant be fun. I had the biggest bLast holding out against Machaka in my other multi player game. I had but one other province at the time, no troops, a mottly band of priests and about 25 blood gems. These guys all cast summon imp(not the spell orders I gave them by the way) and put a large army to the sword. I think I watched that battle four times. The next time he attacked I found out the hard way that if you want to actually use your blood slaves you have to have them on your priests and not in storage.(duh)A swift death but still good times.

[Alneyan]

I should actually manage to play my turn later today (eight hours or so), assuming I can get Dominions to work on another computer and to actually manage the log in to the server. I do not know how much time is left until next hosting though; do I have enough time to make my turn? As you can guess, Mosehansen is down for me as well.

*Sighs and goes back to smiting Silicona, Goddess of Computers, Hierophant of Networks, Lady of Crashes and Mistress of the Blue Screen of Death*

[DragonFire11]

Sorry you are having problems. If you are indeed in France, my world clock says it's 1:20 a.m. in Paris now. The server says you have about 1440 minutes. So you should have time - if you are awake that is.

[Alneyan]

Indeed, I had over twelve hours to do the turn. Now you should no longer be slowed down by my lagging behind; I have done the next turn as well, and Beorne should come back today.

[Beorne]

I'm back! you can set the qh to 24h, thank you and sorry for the delay!

[DragonFire11]

My candles are still burning! I can't say for sure if I'm still holding out for the next five turns, but it's nice to still be in the game. Now, if only deccan had told me how to play before the game.

[deccan]

DragonFire11 said:
My candles are still burning! I can't say for sure if I'm still holding out for the next five turns, but it's nice to still be in the game. Now, if only deccan had told me how to play before the game.



Nice to see you make a comeback! Now go kick ***! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[The Panther]

Beorne said:
I'm back! you can set the qh to 24h, thank you and sorry for the delay!



No problem! I hardly noticed any delay at all. As soon as the next turn hosts, I will change it back to 24 hours. I am afraid to do it right now because my current turn might stale.

I also recall that Krool Death was planning on being gone two weekends in September. Since we are running low on September weekends, I was wondering if this is still happening.

[PashaDawg]

Hi Folks:

I am going out of town from Sept. 24 - Oct. 5. Dragonfire has agreed to play my turns while I am away. However, he is also playing Ermor in this game. Any objections?

PASHA

[The Panther]

As long as he does not transfer anything between the two teams, this is fine with me.

[deccan]

I'm not sure about this. If Ermor is definitely dead then it would be okay, but if Ermor has a chance of coming back, then I think it would not be right.

[PashaDawg]

deccan said:
I'm not sure about this. If Ermor is definitely dead then it would be okay, but if Ermor has a chance of coming back, then I think it would not be right.



What would not be right:
(1) Dragonfire playing my turns in general; or
(2) Dragonfire playing my turn AND trading things between nations?

I am sure he is agreeable about not trading things, but ULM is far away from ERMOR, and so it would be very hard to do anything in conjunction.

But, I will find another substitute if the other players would prefer.

PASHA

[deccan]

Ulm is not that far from Ermor. I'm the only thing between them. *Ducks for cover.*

Clarification: I don't really mind all that much and if other people is okay with this then I am too. However, I still believe that it is generally not acceptable for a person to play two different positions in the same game.

[Alneyan]

If needed, I could provide my services as a temporary replacement. However, I do not have a reliable TCP/IP access to Dominions. Consequently, someone else would have to upload my turns (the game admin perhaps?), but would not have to actually do the turns themselves.

Having a player able to upload her turns on her own would be much better however. Silly me; I confused this game with the other Newbiegame. I will definitively not be able to do TCP/IP in this game, as evidenced when I took over Beorne's Vanheim (I had to highjack another computer in order to do my turns).

[KroolDeath]

Panther,

I canceled one weekend (fishing trip) which would have been this weekend. Whats funny, I half canceled it because I didn't want to stale in any turns in my 5 MP games (which is highly recommended not doing if you wish to do anything else).

But I will be out next weekend camping. September 25th will be the day I won't be able to take a turn.

Krool

[KroolDeath]

I thought Ermor was pretty washed up? Pickles, did youstumble on yuor conquest? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Krool

[DragonFire11]

I don’t think pickles is done with my peace loving hoard of brain-eating zombies. I think he will lay siege in the next turn.

[DragonFire11]

We have a bit under a week until the Dawg departs. It looks probable that the issue of collusion will be moot once Ermor is eliminated. In the event Ermor is alive, but on life support, I will leave it to the judgment of the community. It was my intent to get instructions from the Dawg and faithfully abide by those instructions. In no event will I transfer goods between the two nations. Realistically, I don't think Ermor will have much of an impact on this game other than to eliminate itself and pickles as contenders. I hope I am wrong of course, but it looks grim. So even if I am an unfaithful or dishonest steward, I don't think my temporary role could change much. But, again, I will not take the Dawg's helm if people are concerned. I don't want to ruin our respective reputations here. Lastly, for what it is worth, the Dawg and I are fiduciary agents in real life and I’d like to think that I could resist temptations in the virtual life too. Please comment. Thanks.

[PashaDawg]

The Dawg will jawg to the lawg clawg to slawg some grawg.

[PashaDawg]

Fiduciary agents = lawyers.

Hee hee. Now... how many of you trust us lawyers? Huh? C'mon ... put 'em up... show us what you got... <turning to The Panther> Hey Engineer-boy! You wanna piece of this? Put 'em up! Or you too busy with your slide rule? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[PashaDawg]

I decided to solicit non-playing substitutes. I want to avoid any appearance of impropriety.

We'll see if I catch any takers who feel they can manage in my shoes. /threads/images/Graemlins/Cold.gif

PASHA

[DragonFire11]

Oh, but I want to play your game if I die! I will soften the blow to my ego. You have to care and nurture an ego you know. And thanks for blowing the lid on the "fiduciary agent" euphemism. It had such an aura of probity until you yanked back the curtain! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[The Panther]

PashaDawg said:
Fiduciary agents = lawyers.

Hee hee. Now... how many of you trust us lawyers? Huh? C'mon ... put 'em up... show us what you got... <turning to The Panther> Hey Engineer-boy! You wanna piece of this? Put 'em up! Or you too busy with your slide rule? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif



If my daughter becomes a lawyer some day, I wonder if I will then be able to trust lawyers???

NAWWWWWWWWW!!!!!

[PashaDawg]

DragonFire11 said:
Oh, but I want to play your game if I die! I will soften the blow to my ego. You have to care and nurture an ego you know. And thanks for blowing the lid on the "fiduciary agent" euphemism. It had such an aura of probity until you yanked back the curtain! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif



Well, Dragonfire, now that there is an official thread where you can get in line with other applicants, perhaps, after a lengthy stretch of due process and equal treatment, you will prove to be the best man for the job. We at the ULM DEPARTMENT OF EMPLOYMENT EQUITY encourage you to apply. Please take one of those snazzy, short 10-page self-duplicating application forms over there and submit it along with a financial statement and a full disclosure of all actual, putative, constructive and/or contingent conflicts of interest that you have, have had, might have had and/or foresee having in the future. Thank you for your attention to this matter and all other matters to which you give attention.

[PashaDawg]

The Panther said:

PashaDawg said:
Fiduciary agents = lawyers.

Hee hee. Now... how many of you trust us lawyers? Huh? C'mon ... put 'em up... show us what you got... <turning to The Panther> Hey Engineer-boy! You wanna piece of this? Put 'em up! Or you too busy with your slide rule? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif



If my daughter becomes a lawyer some day, I wonder if I will then be able to trust lawyers???

NAWWWWWWWWW!!!!!





Oh - - Panther - - - what kind of engineer are you? Chemical? Electical? Structural? Computer? Sanitation? Choo-Choo? (Ignore me if I am getting too nosey or silly.)

[The Panther]

BS Nuclear and MS electrical. I work at a nuclear weapons research facility, actually. But the nuclear weapons business has been extremely slow since the end of the Cold War. Currently, I have drifted into Program Management for non-proliferation research and engineering efforts, primarily in nuclear radiation detection and characterization.

So, if you kill me in a game, I just might nuke you in return! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/eek.gif

[PashaDawg]

The Panther said:
BS Nuclear and MS electrical. I work at a nuclear weapons research facility, actually. But the nuclear weapons business has been extremely slow since the end of the Cold War. Currently, I have drifted into Program Management for non-proliferation research and engineering efforts, primarily in nuclear radiation detection and characterization.

So, if you kill me in a game, I just might nuke you in return! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/eek.gif



Very cool! I think you definitely got me beat in the math and science department. I liked science in school, but now I just read National Geo.

[DragonFire11]

Really! I write boring motions for a living. And you mint nukes. Ok Mr. Smarty Panther: How do you calculate the area of a disk if it is spinning? (I don't know the answer so you could make just about anything up.)

[The Panther]

Measure the diameter of the disk. Divide by 2 and square the result. Multiply by PI (~3.14159). And that's all she wrote!

Makes no difference if it is spinning or not other than the difficulty in measuring it. It is actually more interesting if the disc has a hole in the middle like a CD.

So... A standard CD diameter is 12 cm on the outside, and just under 1.5 cm on the inside. The area of a spinning CD is therefore approximately:
(12/2) * (12/2) * PI = 113.1 sq cm
MINUS the hole
(1.5/2) * (1.5/2) * PI = 1.8 sq cm
Equals
111.3 sq cm
Which is the answer to the CD question.


And no, I am not making this up!

[DragonFire11]

Ah, well it should matter mathematically. If the disk is spinning, the outer edge is moving faster than the inner portion. As a result, the outer edge is heavier and more compressed, and distorting space more. Consequently, the irrational number of pi no longer exists – well it’s no longer useful other than an estimate. I have no standing to engage in a math discussion with you (beyond simple addition) but I think I am right about this.

[DragonFire11]

I know the Dawg will give me grief about this so I just want to say that the spinning means its not just a classic math problem but a question of relativity - spinning means the disk is no longer flat.

[Pickles]

DragonFire11 said:
We have a bit under a week until the Dawg departs. It looks probable that the issue of collusion will be moot once Ermor is eliminated. In the event Ermor is alive, but on life support, I will leave it to the judgment of the community.



Hmm this elimination of Ermor is looking more & more unlikely to me. Sorry If I messed up your game DragonFire .

I have no problem with the proposed substitution myself

Pickles

[The Panther]

DragonFire11 said:
Ah, well it should matter mathematically. If the disk is spinning, the outer edge is moving faster than the inner portion. As a result, the outer edge is heavier and more compressed, and distorting space more. Consequently, the irrational number of pi no longer exists – well it’s no longer useful other than an estimate. I have no standing to engage in a math discussion with you (beyond simple addition) but I think I am right about this.



Ah, the classic difference between a scientist and the engineer. The scientist sits around trying to figure exact answers to questions which are meaningless. The engineer simply estimates the correct answer and then goes on to build the disc.

Actually, the effects of the manufacturing tolerances dwarfs (by many orders of magnitude) the nearly infitintesimal area modification caused by the outer stretching in a spinning CD. In fact, the Heisenberg Uncertainity Principle will tell you that the difference is likely not even measurable! Which means is matters not to the engineer, but only the scientist!

[DragonFire11]

Fair enough!

[PashaDawg]

Ooops! Looks like Arco and Jotunhiem each wanted to take over the Druid Forest. Hmmmm. Nasty battles. Lot's of blood.

[deccan]

Hah! That was our army of the cursed, diseased and afflicted. We wanted Arco to kill the giants and let us keep the longbowmen, but instead he killed the longbowmen and left us the giants instead. Grrr.

[Steerpike]

Yes, kill the longbows and leave your nasty giants to rot away. Actually I believe that I did try to kill a few Giants with soulslay but they must have pretty good resistance. Anyway its just a drag I had to attack the Indies first, oh well. But this little battle must pale into comparison to the unkillable Ermor and the unbelievably tenacious Mictlan battle. Man I wish I had a scout still in that area it would rock to see exactly what was going on. Anyone have some info they would like to share?

[PashaDawg]

No information from Ulm's vast spy network.

[PashaDawg]

Just to let folks know, I am not having much luck finding someone to fill in for me other than Dragonfire. I will keep trying.

[Steerpike]

The death of Ermor has been greatly exagerated. Well they are technically already dead but anyway. Is deccan still unwilling to allow Dragonfire to take over?Maybe Beorne form Vanheim should take over, he is miles from all the empires involved, if that is the issue.

[deccan]

If Pasha can't find anyone, I withdraw my objections to having dragonfire sub for Pasha.

I'll just scrap my secret plan for invading Ulm and invade Arco instead. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif Just kidding.

[Steerpike]

Ah hah. There is truth in jest Jotun. I know you desire my bountiful wastelands with their mighty 2000-4000 population. They are mine I tell you. I need those 9-20 income provinces to pay for all my scouts. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif Seriously though we could always put the game on hold like the other game Pasha is in.

[deccan]

Steerpike said:
Seriously though we could always put the game on hold like the other game Pasha is in.



Actually putting the game on hold and waiting on Pasha might be a good idea. I think we're at a pretty critical point in the game and a sub might not make the important decisions that Pasha would need to do.

[DragonFire11]

I WILL RAMPAGE, DESTROY, PILLAGE -- oh, ah, is this thing live? Yes, right, I was just saying what a faithful steward I'd be and deccan I'm glad I have your vote of confidence if necessary.

[Beorne]

If you don't find any other solution I can substitute for Ulm, my only fear is to screw up a game. I'm not an Ulm expert (I'm no expert at all), but Ulm should be straightforward. I have to be instructed well.

[Beorne]

Help, connecting on mosehansen Dom2 hangs on "waiting for game info". I've tried with different connections but it doesn't seem to work.

Anyone the same problem?

[Beorne]

Now it goes all well. I reinstalled the game. i don't know if it was my game or perhaps Mosehansen was down.

[KroolDeath]

I too am unable to connect.I have tried repeatedly...

Krool

[KroolDeath]

Under current conditions, I would rather Beorne not substitute for Pasha. I would rather seem the game suspended until his return, or an out of game replacement.

Krool

[KroolDeath]

I'm in now, that was weird. Took all day...

Krool

[baboune]

I cant connect...

[PashaDawg]

It is fine with me, of course, if you guys want to put the game on hold, but that would seem like a major drag for the remaining players.

I personally feel that it is extremely unlikely that Dragonfire could meaningfully exploit his stewartship of ULM.

[DragonFire11]

So KroolDeath votes against, preferring to pause the game until the Return Of The Dawg. I'm fine either way. It would be nice to have everybody chime in -- I shouldn't use slang knowing there are non-native English speakers here -- everybody should comment.

[deccan]

Actually KroolDeath voted against Beorne subbing but it wasn't clear if he opposed dragonfire subbing as well.

[baboune]

I would rather play but it is fine with me if you decide to stop the game.
Any solution to keep going is a good one.

[Beorne]

KroolDeath said:
Under current conditions, I would rather Beorne not substitute for Pasha. I would rather seem the game suspended until his return, or an out of game replacement.
Krool



I didn't know you are near Ulm (not much money for lot of scouts actually), so I don't think my substitution is a good idea too!

Another issue: someone knows the cause of the connection problems????

[Beorne]

baboune said:
I would rather play but it is fine with me if you decide to stop the game.
Any solution to keep going is a good one.



same for me.

[Steerpike]

Its twelve days which is quite a bit of time, not only to wait to play again but to have someone taking over your nation. I wouldnt like my empire taken over for potentially 15-16 turns, even by someone I liked and trusted. However this is the one multi player game I have going so two weeks hurts quite a lot. Solution: Im going to join another newbie game. So my vote is wait.

[Pickles]

I think we should continue with a sub. Is Dragonfire playing in this game - he is not listed on Mosehansen?

Pickles

[KroolDeath]

Im ok with Dragonfire, I just don't like Beorne!

Just kidding you Beorne, you know the circumstances!

But really, if Dragonfire is not on his Last breath as it originally appeared, that might not be a good idea either.

Has no one offered to substitute that is not in-game? This is so strange!

Krool

[DragonFire11]

Dragonfire is playing as Melkor on the server. And Ermor's situation has improved from before. I no longer expect to be out of the game within a few turns. So that leaves us with a tough question. If I am not mistaken, we need to decide today. We can pause the game, I can cover, or someone else can cover. Can I make a suggestion? Can we have the game's host decide the matter? This will make the determination quick and final, but we should know in advance whether anyone would be totally unhappy with this proposed solution.

[Beorne]

Ah! Now I understand! Panther & Grim Knight have tought about a good solution to resolve the PashaDawg issue! I think that to 2 or 3 turns I will be free to substitute him for Ulm without any conflicting interests!
Small powers, be aware!

[The Panther]

As your game host, I offer the following options:

1. My son has offered to sub for Pasha Dawg while he is gone. Now, everyone must know what this will mean. Because we have only one CD key between the two of us, we will be forced to both do both turns on my computer. This makes it very hard for us to be at war with each other. However, I currently have a peace agreement with Pasha (Ulm) in this game, so the difficulty in fighting a war should not be a problem in the near term. The other thing is that my son was the first eliminated as Ulm in the Pantheons game when he was hit with a 2 on 1, so maybe Pasha might be a bit concerned about that. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/shock.gif

2. I can pause the game for ten days. But it will be problematic getting the game restarted in early October as we would have to wait for another Mose Hansen game to either end or pause to open up a slot for me to restart our game. This will likely take several more days of constant checking to make happen. Could be even longer, like a week or so. I do not recommend this option at all.

3. I do not mind Dragonfire subbing, since he is not adjacent to Ulm. I also think that Dragonfire is probably going to be eliminated within the next 10-20 turns anyway. If this option is selected, then Dragonfire must agree to transfer nothing between the two sides. Nothing at all, even a trade.

4. In any event, I can change the schedule to 3 or 4 day QH while Pasha is gone.

Chime in quickly on opinions. I am currently leaning towards options 3 and 4 right now and will go that route unless people post strong opinions otherwise.

[The Panther]

Beorne said:
Ah! Now I understand! Panther & Grim Knight have tought about a good solution to resolve the PashaDawg issue! I think that to 2 or 3 turns I will be free to substitute him for Ulm without any conflicting interests!
Small powers, be aware!



lol, Boerne, I can assure you that the recent move against you had nothing to do with Pasha at all. Opportunity knocked, and had to be answered!

[deccan]

The Panther said:
1. My son has offered to sub for Pasha Dawg while he is gone. Now, everyone must know what this will mean. Because we have only one CD key between the two of us, we will be forced to both do both turns on my computer.




I think that doesn't work. I've never tested this but I've heard that the game won't let you play two positions using the same CD key.


The Panther said:
2. I can pause the game for ten days. But it will be problematic getting the game restarted in early October as we would have to wait for another Mose Hansen game to either end or pause to open up a slot for me to restart our game.




Yeah, I'm worried about this as well. Too many MP games pause and never restart back.


The Panther said:
3. I do not mind Dragonfire subbing, since he is not adjacent to Ulm. I also think that Dragonfire is probably going to be eliminated within the next 10-20 turns anyway.




Um, have you seen the size of dragonfire's new army?

[Cainehill]

I could possibly substitute for Pasha if y'all don't mind going to 36 or 48 QH while he's gone - I might get all them in within the 24, but would rather not give him a stale turn.

Ulm is one of the nations I've played least, but on the other paw I've played a lot of MP, so...

Up to y'all, and Pasha Dawg.

[Steerpike]

It would be great to have someone outside the game to play under Pashas general strategy. I have no problem with a 48 QH while he is gone so that the game is alive but not racing away. So I vote Cainhill taking over.

[KroolDeath]

Reminder, I will be out of town Saturday so if we are not at 48h, I would like to request it. Thanks!

Krool

[KroolDeath]

Yo, another vote for Cainehill...

Krool

[The Panther]

I plan to go to a 72 hour QH while Pasha is on vacation.

[PashaDawg]

Ah - - - it's wonderful to see everyone coming together and making wised decisions.

I will take Cainehill up on his offer to step into the shoes of the BLACK IRON LORD of ULM!! I will send him sufficient instructions via email. I am thankful for his willingness to step in.

Thank you all. I will be back in the saddle on Oct. 6, fat after feasting on Tuscan cuisine. <Burp>

And Dragonfire... I am hoping to find some sassy (but lawyerly) new ties for Court. I am sure they will have one or two of those in Florence.

Ciao! Chow! Chou!

[The Panther]

The host schedule has been changed to 3 day QH.

[KroolDeath]

Guys, I staled, I never could get into the game Last night although I could get into my other MP games. Anyway, I'm back in and took my next turn.

Krool

[DragonFire11]

Is the game stopped? Why? It looks like everyone took their turn.

[Grim Knight]

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[Grim Knight]

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[Grim Knight]

Whoops, wrong thread, please disregard my Last two Posts.

[The Panther]

DragonFire11 said:
Is the game stopped? Why? It looks like everyone took their turn.



The game is still running fine. Cainehill subbing for Pasha Dawg has not played his turn as yet.

[Cainehill]

Just so's y'all know - I know I'm being a bit slow in taking Ulm's turns, but I'm trying to not let things get too far advanced before Pasha returns. Hope y'all don't mind too much - if I was taking over instead of just subbing I wouldn't be holding things up.

[The Panther]

That is a good thing to do, which is part of the reason why I went to 3 day QH while Pasha was gone.

And by the way, thanks for subbing in this game so we did not have to pause.

[Beorne]

Cainehill said:

Just so's y'all know - I know I'm being a bit slow in taking Ulm's turns, but I'm trying to not let things get too far advanced before Pasha returns. Hope y'all don't mind too much - if I was taking over instead of just subbing I wouldn't be holding things up.



This is the only reasons I will survive for another couple of weeks and not for another couple of days! Thank you! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Steerpike]

Hey Beorne, Keep the faith doood. Your not dead yet and you did beat Abyssia out of your homeland. And I am truly kicking a#$ I only lost 8 provinces Last turnhttp://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif, pretty good I reckon. Caelums going down and Arco is just the empire to do it. Nothing personal Panther http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

[deccan]

Steerpike said:
Hey Beorne, Keep the faith doood. Your not dead yet and you did beat Abyssia out of your homeland. And I am truly kicking a#$ I only lost 8 provinces Last turnhttp://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif, pretty good I reckon. Caelums going down and Arco is just the empire to do it. Nothing personal Panther http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif



Um, yeah. Go Arco. And it my giants try really, really hard next turn, they might even be able to finally hit Panther's GK. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[The Panther]

Yeah, this game is truly getting fun now! Nice job enlisting allies to save you, Beorne. It sure worked against me, as I have no choice but to leave you alone for the forseeable future.

Now, if only you can get the other two guys fighting you to lay off too, your impending death will have been very premature, just like Ermor who has risen from the ashes!

As for Arco + Jontunheim vs. Caelum, that was an interesting sneak attack the previous turn. I guess we will see how it ends up. Was it 8 provinces you lost, pike? I didn't count and it was hard to tell as I lost several of my own to the giants... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Steerpike]

I'm pretty sure that it was 8 provinces and it wasnt a sneak attack it was a pre-emptive strike. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif I know that I would be the next target after Vanheim fell (paranoid who says I'm paranoid?) so I accelerated the process a little. Mind you I still wake from nightmares of little birds coming from everywhere. Ahh the joys of fighting a flying nation.

[Beorne]

The Panther said:
Yeah, this game is truly getting fun now! Nice job enlisting allies to save you, Beorne. It sure worked against me, as I have no choice but to leave you alone for the forseeable future.

Now, if only you can get the other two guys fighting you to lay off too, your impending death will have been very premature, just like Ermor who has risen from the ashes!




This is difficult because the Abysian is very, very stubborn, and I fear the fire lizards a lot.
And for Pythium ..., well he is right, I inavaded him like the barbarians that invaded the Romans driven by the Huns. It was my only think to do.
But I'll not give up until the very end!

[Steerpike]

Good man Beorne, Fight to the death and win much glory on the fields of Valhalla. I will do the same when my turn comes which I think will be shortly after you. We shall see.
Let Caelums fun continue>

[KroolDeath]

The poor folk of Pythium were just minding their own business, enjoying the passing seasons!

Krool

[The Panther]

Pasha Dawg is scheduled to return tonight or tomorrow. I am asking for input on changing the hosting schedule yet again. Should we go to 24 hours or 48 hours from here on?

[DragonFire11]

24 please. 48 is so slow.

[Beorne]

For me is the same (24h or 48h).

[Pickles]

24 is favourite but I am happy to be outvoted by a minority on the basis that if it's too fast you may stale/getoverwhelmed but if it's too slow it's only frustrating (Mind you the 72 hours is very frustrating need more fixes..)

Pickles

[deccan]

I'm okay with 24, but I request that we wait until Pasha comes back and settles in before changing the schedule. I doubt that he would be able to jump back into the game immediately after holidaying in Tuscany. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[Steerpike]

24 for me please. It will be good to get on a roll again.

[KroolDeath]

I'm indifferent...Either is fine.

Krool

[PashaDawg]

Greetings All. I have returned after inspecting the Tuscan harvests. But, I have to go to work (wha... sniff sniff..., but I have a bunch of sassy new Italian silk ties to wear).

I will take my turn later this afternoon.

[PashaDawg]

I have taken my turn. It's fine with me if you switch the game back to 24 hour quick host.

[The Panther]

Welcome back, Pasha! A lot of fighting in this game while you were lounging in Europe.

A definite consensus of 24 hour QH was apparent in the above Posts. So I have changed it back to that. All of you used to 3 day turns will now have to check much more frequently!

And a big thanks to Cainehill for subbing, which kept us from halting the game.

[baboune]

Hi,
I have a problem tonight.. I can not connect to the game. I get to the point where I can enter my password then it freezes and I get a Nagot gick felt.

I deleted all the files and was able to connect and play...

No idea what is wrong... Do u have any ideas?

[The Panther]

I just checked on the game. It is working fine. Perhaps you tried to join while the server was changing the host schedule. That can take a while to implement.

Also, according to the server data, you had already made your move this turn when I changed the schedule. Don't know if that has an effect too.

But once Deccan moves and the turns hosts, then everything should be perfectly fine! (I hope.)

[Cainehill]

Hey - good luck to y'all now that PashaDawg is back.

[PashaDawg]

The BLACK IRON LORD of ULM hereby thanks the Great General Cainehill for his assistance and awards him OUR GREAT DOMINIONS's highest honor: The BLACK IRON SPADE.

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[deccan]

Ah, and I don't even get an award for subbing for you as Atlantis. It wasn't my fault the game borked. (I suspect Boron.) And I did make you your very first clam of pearls. Really!

[DragonFire11]

Actually, lets leave it at the long setting because I am leaving town until this Sunday. Then we can go back to the shorter time if desired. Thanks!

[DragonFire11]

And I'm having a hard time logging in now. I hope to move before the time runs out on this turn. I'll keep trying.

[PashaDawg]

Deccan:

I think the WISE ANCIENT KRAKEN KING of the OCEAN is currently busy writing a /threads/images/Graemlins/MusicalNote.gif /threads/images/Graemlins/MusicalNote.gif symphonic masterpiece /threads/images/Graemlins/MusicalNote.gif /threads/images/Graemlins/MusicalNote.gif praising all you did for the betterment of the Atlantis Dominion during my absence. However, given that the game is unavailable for my inspection, I doubt I will ever be sure that WAKKO is actually putting quill to paper.

PASHA

[The Panther]

I also had a hard time. I had two tries running concurrently before the third one worked.

I hate to stop and restart as that seems to give problems too.

[DragonFire11]

Still trying!

[The Panther]

I restarted the game. It seems to have fixed the problem, whatever it was. That also set the timer back to 24 hours, and this should prevent all those people who could not make their move from getting a stale.

Post here if anyone is still having problems.

[PashaDawg]

It's working for me, but I only had to try once. For several turns in the past, I frequently needed to restart my computer because trying to connect to this particular MP game would cause my computer to freeze up.

Pasha

[deccan]

Mictlan is sieging Ermor, again...

Quite funny since they have been at it for the entire game... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

[Steerpike]

Please Deccan, Show a little compassion for Brothers Ermor and Mictlan. Then gaze with wonder at their army and research statistics. Then laugh at Arcos mountain of a province stat, it goes up and up then down and down. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif Seriously though this war of theirs doesn't seem to be hurting them too much. Not compared to the Caelum Arco war. Caelums Goliath to Arcos David, just remember who won in the end.

[Grim Knight]

Ah Beorne you fight quite well, the first few battles have not gone the way my generals had assured me that they would go.

I have since seen those generals stripped of their rank and publicly executed.

I have dispatched New Commanders with reinforcements, they have my utmost confidence but we shall see have to see how things go.

Salute, Grim Knight the Glowering One.

[Beorne]

You know, I'm not like some other italians here in the forum, I fight to the end, even if my fate is clearly doomed from 10 turns or so.
And I have Valhalla fields awaiting me, so I don't fear death.

PS: Could you provide me some pictures of your generals executions? You know, I'm a little busy now so I fear I cannot attend the show ...

[Cainehill]

Beorne said:
You know, I'm not like some other italians here in the forum, I fight to the end, even if my fate is clearly doomed from 10 turns or so.



*chuckle* Wonder what other italians you could be refering to? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

[DragonFire11]

Another day another hoard at my walls. Why can't we all just get along?

I tip my hat to you Mictlan. Or perhaps I kicked your dog in a former life and this is your revenge! Anyway, you have a big army parked there and the next couple of turns might put you over the top.

[deccan]

DragonFire11 said:
Another day another hoard at my walls. Why can't we all just get along?

I tip my hat to you Mictlan. Or perhaps I kicked your dog in a former life and this is your revenge! Anyway, you have a big army parked there and the next couple of turns might put you over the top.



Looks to me like you killed an Ice Devil and sent three others packing! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/eek.gif

Amazing battle!

[Grim Knight]

I can do better then that Beorne, I can just delay the executions until you can join them... Provided you cooperate and allow yourself to be captured alive.

[Pickles]

"Looks to me like you killed an Ice Devil and sent three others packing! "

This was a great relief to me as I watched in the wrong Version & lost all 4 Ice Devils.

Pickles

[deccan]

Oops, Ermor staled?

[Steerpike]

Ok notes to self.
-Never ever, EVER send your SC pretender into -7 dominion.
-Really respect magical power.
-FIND more magical sites.
-never give up.

Well done Panther this game has been a fantastic education in strength of arms VS strength in magic used wisely.
Much respec

[The Panther]

Good war, Steerpike. You and Jontunheim attacked me at the worst time (for me) since Abysia had just started a war with Vanheim and I jumped on that bandwagon. But I then jumped right off and abandoned that war to hit you back when you both invaded me. Now, it looks like Vanheim is mostly dead from the combined might of Abysia and Pythium, even without my help over there.

Of course, I am getting overrun by Jontun since I ignored him for the most part trying to kill you. I hope to hit him back sometime soon. And if you would hurry up and die, it sure would be a lot easier for me!

By the way, you are fully correct about the pretender. It is a huge mistake to have your 300 HP God stuck in high level enemy dominion and down to 35 HP. They don't Last long like that no matter how strong they are. I thought you should have sent your pretender back home instead of invading my capitol. You probably could have reclaimed most of your original territory back that way since it is all lightly defended.

As for the magic of Caelum, I have been on the receiving end of exactly that in several of my previous and ongoing MP games. This is my first attempt trying out a heavily magical race. It does seem to work satisfactorily, despite the hard research in this particular game.

I also learned early on in my few MP games that heavy searching for magic sites just might be the most important thing you can do. So I did that in this game for the first time, and it worked out well for me.

[Beorne]

The Panther said:
Good war, Steerpike. You and Jontunheim attacked me at the worst time (for me) since Abysia had just started a war with Vanheim and I jumped on that bandwagon. But I then jumped right off and abandoned that war to hit you back when you both invaded me. Now, it looks like Vanheim is mostly dead from the combined might of Abysia and Pythium, even without my help over there.




I've made it to turn 41!
Valhalla can wait longer! (not much longer, I think ...)

My only regret is that I can't help my only allied being crushed to help me ...

Thanks Arco!!!!!

[PashaDawg]

Beep-Beep-Beep-Beep <sound of typewriter in background> Beep-Beep-Beep-Beep

We interrupt our broadcast of “The Sound of Music” for this important lightning news flash. The Office of His Almost Most Highness, Graham Grassbahl, the Great First Lord Chancellor of the Divine Exchequer and Trainer of the Imperial Poodle Ponies, has released to the capitol press office of Central Ulm National News Incorporated Network (CUNNIN) that PASHA, the GREAT BLACK IRON LORD of ULM, has issued a Proclamation of Defensive Offense against the Caelum Dominion of Panther.

“This is NOT a declaration of war,” insisted His Almost Most Highness Grassbahl. “It’s a preemptive peacekeeping mission. Caelum’s continual and unprovoked hostile actions cannot go unanswered. As all civilized lords agree, the magical garbage [Caelum] is ruining the pastoral landscape for all peace-loving dominions. The Noble Jotunheim Giants and Honorable Arcoscephalens have already borne the brunt of our mutual self-defense. We only hope that we are not too late and encourage all the GREAT RACES to join this unfortunate but necessary crusade to clean up Caelum’s toxic thaumaturgic waste /threads/images/Graemlins/Poison.gif poisoning the environment.”

Now back to our program.

Beep-Beep-Beep-Beep <sound of typewriter in background> Beep-Beep-Beep-Beep

/threads/images/Graemlins/MusicalNote.gif /threads/images/Graemlins/MusicalNote.gif “Alone on a hill stood a lonely goatherd… “ /threads/images/Graemlins/MusicalNote.gif /threads/images/Graemlins/MusicalNote.gif

[The Panther]

Ah, the great peaceloving nation of Caelum should hire his own lawyers to spread untruths too. But our news network will use the truth only, unlike the false Black Iron Lord of treacherous Ulm.

The nation of Caelum has never invaded a neighbor on its own. Even the unprovoked attack upon Vanheim was but a response to an attack by them upon Pythium and a subsequent invasion by Abysia. It is Abysia who now owns the former capitol of Vanhiem, not Caelum.

The near elimination of the threat of Arcoscephale was in retalliation for a totally unprovoked attack upon our very homeland! And the giants too invaded our beloved homeland and are still sitting next to our very capitol. Several warnings have been issued to our fine people as they frequently must hide underground in the hopes of survival.

And now, the treacherous nation of Ulm has also launched a completely unprovoked attack upon our nation. This was despite a long-standing border treaty with them and previous peaceful trading missions.

So, this is a warning to all neighbors of Jontunheim and Ulm. They are untrustworthy nations prone to unprovoked attacks. Do not believe their missionaries. And since the majority of their troops are currently sitting in Caelum territory, then now would be a fine time to capture much unprotected territory from both warmongering nations.

Thus ends the true report from the Inland world. No lawyers need apply!



*But sir, isn't your own daughter now studying in the University of Caelum to become a lawyer herself?

Shaddup!!!*

[Steerpike]

Im hurt boys...hurt real bad...
However elimination is rather a strong word. I would say 3 turns is realistic.
As to my unprovoked attack... I plead guilty your honour.
Im man enough to admit that my only provocation was being completely surrounded by two nations sitting on top of most statistics tables (thats you too Abyssia you shy thing)who were calmly carving up my very weak neighbour and looking about for another victim.
ME.
Your retaliation was a thing of beauty, I must have lost 9 provinces to your first attack and perhaps 8 to your second.
The bottom line is I have learned more in this game than in months of single player and I have loved every turn. Especially the bad ones.

Not...dead...yet

[KroolDeath]

And to think this,peace-loving Pythium just wanted to be left alone!

Krool
Pythium

[deccan]

Deceptions and lies, fellow nations of inland...

The devious Panther would have you believe that he is helpless, his people cowering from the onslaughts of Jotun giants, Ulmish armor and Arco elephants. Yet far indeed it is from the truth, for his mages sit smug and safe in his high towers, and fly out at their leisure to devastate our lands.

Verily we admit that our plan to war against Caelum has been concocted in secret meetings, yet would you rather have us wait until Caelum destroys us one by one? Better than we unite and fight for the common good than wait for a slow death.

You may heed Caelum's call to arms and strike at us while our warriors are dying to Caelum magics, and you will perhaps win victory and glory. But your victory will be short-lived indeed, for in doing so, you shall assure that the day will come when Caelum seraphs appear in the skies above your own cities and fill your heavens with lightning and illusionary horrors. Then shall your victory turn to ashes as the skies themselves bLast all that you cherish and love to nothingness...

[DragonFire11]

"preemptive peacekeeping mission."

I have to steal that phrase before the white house gets it.

Anyway, I'm having trouble again networking to the game. I'll keep trying.

[deccan]

Heh, you killed some more ice devils this turn...

[DragonFire11]

But my end is near I fear!

[The Panther]

DragonFire11 said:
"preemptive peacekeeping mission."

I have to steal that phrase before the white house gets it.




I have to admit that there is nothing more fun than playing a game with Pasha Dawg. He was constantly giving us these hilarious news flashes in Newbie Game 2. I thoroughly enjoyed them. He was the Evil Spider Lord back then, and always frothing at the mouth.

He also seems to come up with nice catchy phrases like that one above. Probably because of his law training, as that kind of people must always think with words to do a good job. I too thought of President Bush when I read that phrase. I seem to bungle words myself. Give me a nice equation or an electrical circuit instead!

Anyway, this has been such a fun game all around with people who sure like the game that we ought to do it again when this game ends. And what I liked best was that there were no quitters. I have been in a couple of MP games with quitters, and it really spoils the whole thing.

At one time, I was thinking that this game might end sort of soon with me winning. But now that three nations invaded me, I am not so sure. Probably Abysia is now on top. It is certainly going to be a long, drawn out battle for me. I have not even dented the armies of either Jontun or Ulm as yet, as you all can clearly see from the army size graphs.

At least I did hurt Arco real bad, though, and took nearly all of his former territory!

[DragonFire11]

Well Panther, at least you were in the running for a while. As it is, I presently selecting my coffin. What do you think, classic European black or white, the color of death in Asia?

[The Panther]

Grey.

I always think of Ermor as the nation of ash since it burns everything living to the ground in no time at all!

[deccan]

The Panther said:
Anyway, this has been such a fun game all around with people who sure like the game that we ought to do it again when this game ends. And what I liked best was that there were no quitters. I have been in a couple of MP games with quitters, and it really spoils the whole thing.




Yeah, especially Beorne and Dragonfire's tenacious defence of their capitals to the frustration of Grim Knight and Pickles I'm sure. I'm good for a new game, but I think maybe not with a Caelum next time...


The Panther said:
At one time, I was thinking that this game might end sort of soon with me winning. But now that three nations invaded me, I am not so sure. Probably Abysia is now on top.



More misinformation? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

Abysia cannot match your research. Beating you at this point requires combat mages and SCs, not national troops. Though Pythium's recent increase in gem income is quite amazing.

[The Panther]

Pythium has obviously started casting archastic record. Is he a sleeping giant as compared to you as a wakened army of giants?

[Steerpike]

I would love to have a new game with the same crew and different nations or maybe the same nations swapped around on a different map.
Where would we play on now that Mosenhansen is no more?
Does anyone know?
I dont play many strategy games multiplayer Online so I'm pretty ignorant.
As for my provinces, they were all trash anyway what do you expect when you start in wasteland. And considering I had the flood event which kills a quarter of your population in my home province I think I did ok overall.

[Beorne]

I'm arrived in Valhalla (thanks tho Grim that provided me the bus ticket)!
I think I did not so well overall, It was my first int'l game, but when around turn 20 the two major powers allied against me, well, I'v been a bit unlucky.
Perhaps Van is seen as major threat (next time I'll take TC!no, joking).
Or perhaps I offended the major Abysian god by squashing a lizard, or I ate the promising little son of the Caelum king during a banquet think it was a big chicken, I don't know.

Finally I copy and paste the word of my only ally Steerpike:
"I would love to have a new game with the same crew and different nations or maybe the same nations swapped around on a different map."
Tell me if it is going to happen.

One Last thing: Grim, how have you defeated that pesky paladin you know?

Bye and ... sorry Grim, I've to chase gorgeus Scandinavian girls, hunt deer and drink wine, I think I can't be at the executions you invited me!

Bye to all!

[Grim Knight]

I know the one your talking about and my legions of Lava Warriors did not have much trouble putting him down. They do enough damage that when he recklessly charged into their ranks he was surrounded and quickly squashed.

Ah then the execution of my faulty commanders will proceed immediatly.

I hope to see you in another game. You held out pretty well with what you had against what you faced.

Grim Knight lifts his fiery brow in salute to Beorne the Vanquished pretender of Vanheim.

[KroolDeath]

Well, since war was raging all around me, minus the one me and Van got into, I thought I'd take advantage of some gem hunting. I sent my troops out with daintily colored woven baskets and had them start combing the woods, mountains, streams, etc.

It was a frolicking good time!

Err...Or maybe it was just Acashic Record...

Krool

[KroolDeath]

Hey, is Mosehansen down permanently? I went to the server and it appear the Dom page is gone. I thought it was staying up for the time being.

Krool

[KroolDeath]

Let me correct that. The server is up, just the html that shows whether you have a turn ready to go is gone...

Hmmm...I guess just randomly check?

Krool

[The Panther]

Don't know why, but I do see what you mean. I think we are all going to greatly miss the Mose Hansen server when it eventually goes private.

Randomly check is likely the ticket from now on.

[PashaDawg]

I would definitely join in another game, and I would be happy to play a different race for the fun of it.

[PashaDawg]

Beep-Beep-Beep-Beep <typewriter sounding in background> Beep-Beep-Beep-Beep

We interrupt our broadcast of “The Wizard of Oz” to bring you this live interview with His Almost Most Highness, His Highly Esteemed Corpulence, Graham Grassbahl, on the progress of the peacekeeping mission to counter the Caelum War of Aggression. We at Central Ulm National News Incorporated Network (CUNNIN) are pleased to bring our viewers this late breaking news event.

<Camera switches to a view of His Highly Esteemed Corpulence eating his dinner… a plate of delicious Ulm sour-sugar blintzes.>

“It shocks the conscience that the Fraudulent Caelum Pretender spends so much of his tax dollars squeezed from his oppressed people to fund a fat propaganda machine to spew forth grotesque falsehoods. If you ask me, the international community should strap a diaper to PANTHER’s face to protect US ALL from his slanderous verbal incontinence.”

“PANTHER claims that Caelum is peace-loving. Bah! <belch> http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/rant.gif Tell THAT to the swarms of Jotunheim and Arcoscephalen refugees spilling over Ulms boarders! That mad pretender lacks all compassion or appreciation for the consequences of his horrid actions. It’s as if the ghost king lacks any love of life… and views US ALL as tender morsels to feed his repugnant appetite for POWER….”

<Grassbahl stabs a juicy blintz with this fork, slicing it in half with his knife… a hungry glimmer shines in his eyes. He tries to repress a deep belch http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/rant.gif and then pops half of “his kill” into his mouth>

<Speaking with his mouth full> “It’s DISGUSTING how the aggressive magical garbage [Caelum] lies with his mouth while his hands further pollute all that is dear to all peace-loving dominions…. You there…. Bring me more wine….”

“Yes, sir…” responds a waiter.

“And fetch me another platter of blintzes, but be sure they’re FRESH!” <Belch> http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/rant.gif

“Yes, sir…”

And now back to our program.

Beep-Beep-Beep-Beep <typewriter sounding in background> Beep-Beep-Beep-Beep

/threads/images/Graemlins/MusicalNote.gif/threads/images/Graemlins/MusicalNote.gifThe movie continues with a scene of a man stuffed with straw singing about something he’s missing… /threads/images/Graemlins/MusicalNote.gif/threads/images/Graemlins/MusicalNote.gif

[PashaDawg]

Oh no... it looks like Mosehansen is down... I tried logging on 6 times, but no luck. And, I was just getting warmed up.

[PashaDawg]

By the way, I have dabbled in PBEM games, and it does not seem so hard to host an email game (as long as all players can keep track of the Last email sent to them, etc.)

[deccan]

Beorne said:
Bye and ... sorry Grim, I've to chase gorgeus Scandinavian girls, hunt deer and drink wine, I think I can't be at the executions you invited me!




I wanna be permanently vanquished too! No wait, I don't think Jotunheim giants get to go to Valhalla.

[deccan]

PashaDawg said:
Oh no... it looks like Mosehansen is down... I tried logging on 6 times, but no luck. And, I was just getting warmed up.



I couldn't get it either and I tried 10+ times. The game process seems to be running or else you wouldn't get the Waiting for Game Info screen but maybe it needs a restart? Too bad, can't do it now without the web interface...

I'm thinking of starting a new PBEM game too. Maybe I'll post an announcement in the forum.

[PashaDawg]

Maybe we could start a PBEM game with the good cast of characters from this game (but with folks changing dominions).

[Steerpike]

Try logging into the game now I just finished my turn.
Pasha:By changing dominions do you mean changing nations or changing maps?
I definatlely want to play another gamewith you people any rules, nations or maps that people want.

[PashaDawg]

Steerpike said:
Pasha:By changing dominions do you mean changing nations or changing maps?
I definatlely want to play another gamewith you people any rules, nations or maps that people want.



I am easy. Changing nations and/or maps.

[PashaDawg]

Still can't seem to connect. Tried 3 more times.

[The Panther]

How does the PBEM thing work? Does someone be the host and collect emails from everyone?

As far as changing races, I don't play the same race more than once. My goal is to play my first 17 MP games with all different races. Let's see...

Done list, in approximate order started:
1. Arcoscephale (Died, about the fifth one eliminated)
2. Pythium (Draw, finished tied as one of the top 3 when game crashed)
3. Ulm (turned over to permanent sub who lost, but ended up
second without being eliminated)
4. Atlantis (Died, first eliminated, oops!)
5. C'tis (ongoing, currently about 4th in stats)
6. Mictlan (lost, but not eliminated, though finished near the bottom of the stats)
7. Vanheim (ongoing, currently about 5th)
8. Caelum (ongoing, currently under attack by three overly aggressive nations, two of which are spreading lies and untruths)

Still to go:
Abysia
Ermor
Jontunheim
Man
Marignon
Pangaea
R'lyeh
T'ien Ch'i
Machaka


This means I am about half way there!!!

[deccan]

The Panther said:
How does the PBEM thing work? Does someone be the host and collect emails from everyone?




Yep, that's how it works.


The Panther said:
8. Caelum (ongoing, currently under attack by three overly aggressive nations, two of which are spreading lies and untruths)




I wonder which two nations you mean... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif

[The Panther]

I finally got it to work for me. I opened like 10 windows simultaneously before one of them finally allowed me to go forth. I then went it to look at the Messages, clicked on a battle, and it promptly crashed to desktop. So I tried again with a couple more windows and finally got it to work properly. I eventually made my move rather quickly and loaded it up.

I do wonder if it is going to be all right, though. I had much troubles in both of my other Mose Hansen games too.

Something is clearly amiss. Likely, Mose Hansen is changing his server like he said he would start doing. He did say that he would not kill any ongoing games. I hope we can continue this game, for I would like to see how I hold up under the relentless 3 on 1 fighting against those cruel and agressive nations against my poor peaceful and frozen fliers!

[DragonFire11]

And I was about to win too . . . http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[deccan]

Uh-oh, I still can't get in. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif Tried more than 10 times again. I wonder if I broke Caelum's siege...

[PashaDawg]

The Panther said:
Caelum (ongoing, currently under attack by three overly aggressive nations, two of which are spreading lies and untruths)





PashaDawg... er.. um... GRAHAM GRASSBAHL said:
If you ask me, the international community should strap a diaper to PANTHER’s face to protect US ALL from his slanderous verbal incontinence.




Here! here! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

[deccan]

Hey, the webpage interface is back but I still can't get in. I'll stale in a few more hours...

[PashaDawg]

Using a server is nicer, but email is not so bad. It just means that people need to know how to locate their Dominions game folder and email the right file to the host, etc. With the right shortcuts, it is quite easy.

Using a specific email subject line would help the host to keep track of emails by having them routed to a specific folder by using rules in Outlook.

Creating a mailing list would allow the host to mail out the turn files to players easily, too.

Dragonfire11 is currently hosting an email game with 4 players. He emails the other players' turn files to all players (in other words, I get the other players' turn files, too, as attachments to the email). That way, Dragonfire needs to send only ONE email per turn opposed to special emails to each player. I assume that passwords would prevent players from peeking into other players' turn files. (I have not tested this theory, because I am a lawyer and, therefore, I am physically unable to cheat or lie. I am sure Brother Dragonfire11 would back me up on this fact.)

Playing by email, however, requires players to be very careful to look at the date and time of emails and game files to make sure they are dealing with the most recent game files. It is easy to accidentally email or save an old game file and screw things up. I see this as the biggest risk of players getting upset.

[PashaDawg]

I cannot connect either. I tried 3 times this morning.