mosehansen Faerun, again.

[limbo]

i have started new game at mosehansen-server. games name is Clash of the Titans. feel free to join this campaign.
settings are:

faerun, large
magic 50
ind 9
startprov 1
research 2
rich 2
hof 15
port 2321

game will start when all slots are taken.
noobs and experienced are welcome to take part.no anonymous players will be tolerated. and no norfleeting:) = cheap cheating.

ill be playing <font color="red"> </font> http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/evil.gif =Abysia

All anonymous should click "thats me" at the mosenhansen.
Gem production (15each type of item and 7 soul contracts)

[Turin]

I will take Jotunheim.

I´d like to have a restriction on gem producing items, since the map is so big. Can we go with a house rule of 10-20 each player?

[anatoli11]

I have joined as the most feared Vanheim

[Cohen]

I'll play with Abysya.

[Cohen]

Ahem someone already took Abysya, but here I didn't saw any post!!!

[Cohen]

Well if Abysya isn't possible, I'll go for Marignon.

[Calistas]

Signed up with Cael.

[Thufir]

limbo said:
are the information graphs allways disabled at mosenhansen?




Actually, I believe it's the other way around, graphs are always enabled on mosehansen.

[Bale_Blackmoon]

Signed on as Pangea, new to me but i've wanted to give it a try. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Cheezeninja]

I'll Try Ulm out. I frankly think that a house restriction of 10-20 is too nebulous. It would be extremely hard to enforce, and the most recent patch has already done a little bit of damage to hoarders. Either go no hoarding whatsoever, or unrestricted, I think.

[Cheezeninja]

I hate to do this, but after everyone else has claimed their gods on mosehansen, can you kick anonymous so I can re-upload my god? After talking with some dominionsites on IRC I decided to make a few changes, and thats the only way to do it. Thanks.

[Regen]

In as Machaka, and Cohen Wake up the game's started said he was taking Abysia.

[Cohen]

Regen, notice the EDIT date of the first post, that is LATER than my post claiming Abysya.

[baboune]

I would like to try R'Lyeh if that is ok with you.

Faerun seems to have underwater provinces... Never played this map though. Can you confirm?

[Turin]

Well i don´t worry too much about controlling the house rule.
I guess we all play to have fun and clamhoarding or mass devils aren´t fun to most players, because they make the endgame quite tedious, yet you have to do it to stay competitive.

I would just trust that everyone sticks to the house rules, to allow for a more interesting game.
If someone would break them, you could always use the master password to have a look if something looks very suspicious.

If there are any people here who would not want to play with a restriction rule, they can say it right here. And if it´s a significant amount of the players(3-4 at least) we just play without restrictions.

[odd_enuf]

If were placing restrictions on contracts and gem producing items, should we put one on vampire lords too? Also, do you mean a total of 20 gems producing items, or 20 of each gem producing? btw, i'm in as atlantis

[Soapyfrog]

I would happily play Tien Chi!

I will upload tonight.

[Turin]

I have no experience with vampire lords, so I don´t know.
My favourite solution would be 10 of each gem producer and 5 soul contracts.

Vampire lords seem to be ok with their high cost, and weak vampire stats, but as I said I have no experience with them.

[Soapyfrog]

I am all for restrictions on hoarding. On a map this large I think it is neccessary.

The VL by itself is fine. The problem with VL is summon allies, and the summoned vampire is immortal, so you can create a very large force of vampires which cant be killed in their own dominion.

Granted the stats are poor, but it is immortality that really wins http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[WraithLord]

My first selection was to Join as Pythium.
But the servers states that it's already taken.

So, I took Arco instead.

[Ygorl]

I'll join as C'tis or Mictlan (the only remaining nations!)
Just need to take a look at both of them and see which I like better.

Edit: Mictlan it is!

[Soapyfrog]

So to be clear, 20 max gem producing items of each type? Or 20 total?

[limbo]

quoting turin: My favourite solution would be 10 of each gem producer and 5 soul contracts.

[Ygorl]

To allow for a less-constrained endgame, how about this:
Don't make more than 20 each of fever fetishes and clams, and 10 soul contracts; this limit is raised by 1 for each player who's gone AI or been eliminated.
How does this strike everyone?
Whatever we agree on should probably also be noted in the listing for the game on Esben's server.

[Huzurdaddi]

I can't stress enough how much you need limits on gem producers on a map like this.

I am currently crying doing my turns in another game. I take the maximum time to do them since I have to summon the will do the turns. I have to go through hundres of scouts per turn looking for who is dying this month from fever fetishes. It's insane. I will never play again on this map without limits/mods to gem producing items.

[Soapyfrog]

Seems unneccessarily complicated. A simple hard limit would be best.

The map is large enough that you will not feel the end-game to be terribly "constrained", e.g. there is a lot of STUFF on this map!

[limbo]

so it is 10 of each gemthings and 5 sc? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/confused.gif

[Soapyfrog]

Sounds good to me, but it's your game so you have the final say!

[odd_enuf]

if your placing limits on soul contracts you shoudl also place the same limits on vampire lords. lords cost a little less then a sould contract forged with a hammer, and summon 1 vampire per turn, so instead of devil hoards you will see massive immortal vampire hoards

odd_enuf

[Ygorl]

I've found that, just by forging a clam when I've got spare water gems sitting around (i.e. no queens to summon, no boots to forge, all the global slots are filled, no nifty artifacts to make, etc...) it's not that uncommon to have 20 or so by the late parts of the game, on smaller maps than this. If we do just a hard cap, I'd prefer it to be 20 for the gem-producing things and 10 for the soul contracts. I wouldn't mind limiting vampire lords too, but the only because immortal vampire hordes are boring, not because they're particularly overpowered.
This is just my vote, though. Lots of other people involved in this game, probably most of them more experienced than I.
Cheers!

[Ygorl]

My previous pretender design (for Mictlan) wasn't working out, so I'm now in the list of people who will stay anonymous until I get kicked, then reupload before we start. Thanks, and sorry for the inconvenience. I check these Boards pretty rabidly, so it shouldn't be much of a delay on my account (especially if you kick me now).

[Cheezeninja]

I'd really rather not limit the vampire lords... I plan on playing BF Ulm and I'd like to be able to stay in theme with my summons. Plus its hard to get the demon summons working for BF Ulm. You could limit the number allowed to summon allies, but they have other uses as well.

[Cohen]

There's an house rule in some games I've joined that doesn't limit the gem producing items, but that you can't move your gems (not slaves) from commanders to lab.
So you can only move gems from commander to commander.
What's now the use of a clam?
Fuel your combat spell in battle without having a supply line of scouts that have to pass gems each other till the frontline. (when you're lacking of money, this is a far better choice than building a lab that could fall in enemy hand ... scouts hides and sneaks, and if you lose your army, you can mostly retreat your gem bringers where a new army is growing.)

[limbo]

ygorl: why dont you upload your new design over the old one? ive changed my pretender for about 10 times now. server will say that there is somebodys pretebder in the slot allready, just click "upload anyway", or whattaever the name of the button is. and zadam! your new design is in the game.

no restrictions on vampire lords.
vote for the vampire ally summons..

and for the clams and stuff. this is a large map and magic sites are up to 50 so there will be enough of gems anyway.
so lets keep it 10gems and 5souls. or 10gems and 10souls. the latter suits better for me.

sorry cohen for not stating clearly that i claimed abysia. i tryed to be funny by saying http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/evil.gif didnt quite work out as intended:)

edit: cohens idea seems ok to me.

[anatoli11]

I like 20 gems/10 souls. I think we can all be honorable to keep to this limit.

[Soapyfrog]

I've uploaded... looks like only Ctis to upload and we can start.

[Thufir]

limbo said:
ygorl: why dont you upload your new design over the old one? ive changed my pretender for about 10 times now. server will say that there is somebodys pretebder in the slot allready, just click "upload anyway", or whattaever the name of the button is. and zadam! your new design is in the game.




Not true! I know that the UI gives you every reason to think you've uploaded successfully, but in fact you have not, and only the very first Version that you have uploaded is in place. As I understand it, this is due to a feature that Esben implemented to prevent someone "hostile" from overriding your pretender, and this behavior will only happen on the mosehansen server.

It is necessary to do as Ygorl suggests, and go anonymous then kick all anonymous players.

[Cohen]

I mean however if my proposal is fine, that there's no limit to gem generating items, since you can use those gems only for combat purposal, since you cannot put them in the lab.
And probably you won't clam a lot because you don't need all those gems in combat, however you can ensure your astral mages every turn a gem to cast something like "power of the spheres", that isn't all bad a +1 in all paths magic boost in battle.

[Soapyfrog]

But thats even harder to enforce... plus do you expect people never to hit "pool all gems" or something?

[limbo]

ok ill kick anonymous.

ulm, pangae, mictlan and rlyeh, please upload your pretenders. and somebody tell a friend to take C´tis.

[Navar]

pls Limbo kick me too i should change my pretender too

im Phytium

[limbo]

kicked you for good.

[baboune]

R'lyeh: I will upload tonight...

[Frosted Flake]

Oops i joined as Pangea cause i saw it was open my bad, kick me off for the original sorry. Ctis has only 2 adjacent provinces one of ehich is an untakeable fortress , really screwed position.

[Soapyfrog]

Ctis isnt that bad I've played them on this map before. The provinces in their region are very rich, and their capital has two adjacent provinces, + the city of shadows so you are exaggerating a little bit, no?

[Cheezeninja]

Game settings says you start with 2 provinces anyway, which might end up giving C'tis city of shadows and being a wonderful starting location.

[Soapyfrog]

Oh that would be... naaasty...

[limbo]

ok, i have kicked anonymous.

how about simple 15 of each type of gemthingies, and 7 of soulcontracts.


do you think its a bad idea to have 2 starting provinces?
i can change that. settings are just proposals.
settings that fit on most maps dont necessery fit on faerun, thats true. when i made settings, i thought that mosehansen faerun would be a that blanco faerun
(no specials).

im starting next to C`tis and it would be naaastyyy if they would get the city of shadows..

and baboun: you can have any nation possible. if you want to change, go anonymous and ill kick you again. there`s still one slot unfilled at mosehansen, plus pangea which i just kicked.

[Turin]

As long as there is a limit, i´m content. 15/7 sounds good to me. One starting prov might make more sense if you play with specials.

[baboune]

Well my first choice would be R'Lyeh, if you have someone else who wants to play it, I can go for Pangaea or C'tis.

[anatoli11]

15/7 is good for me

[limbo]

ok. anonymous kicked once more. and start prov changed to 1. please send message to your favorite opponents. there is still 2 nations to be taken.

[Navar]

15/7 is ok

[Jurri]

Hello, I'm in as C'tis.

-Or would be if I had half a brain. Could you kick anonymous yet again so I can upload the correct pretender? Pretty please?

[limbo]

ok Jurri. consider it done. are you, btw, the friend baboon mentioned?

[baboune]

No, my friend uploaded as Pangaea, his name is Cedric.

BTW, just to be sure, is this te Faerun map from
http://www.dominions-2.org/downloads/Faerun_large.rar ?

I will re-upload my R'Lyeh pretender tonight.

[Jurri]

Thanks limbo. I'm good to go.

[limbo]

game is on! but i myself have a bit of a problem.. i get that "något kick fell" report. and it complains about not having the correct map. but i do? i have every single one of faeruns in my map folder. does anybody know why does it kick me out?

edit: it complains "cant open faerun.tga"? what to do?
similar problems, anybody? in SP map works just fine. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/confused.gif

edit once more: other half of brain o mine founded once more.. had to just change the file name.
map seems to be the one with no specials. or at least random starting positions.

[Knudsen]

limbo said:
game is on! but i myself have a bit of a problem.. i get that "något kick fell" report. and it complains about not having the correct map. but i do? i have every single one of faeruns in my map folder. does anybody know why does it kick me out?

edit: it complains "cant open faerun.tga"? what to do?
similar problems, anybody? in SP map works just fine. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/confused.gif



Same problem here

[limbo]

as i said in edited post. change the faerun_large.tga to be faerun.tga

[Bale_Blackmoon]

UMMMM... I pick Pangea on like the ninth post, but I guess someone else loaded their pretneder on it. Is there any correction or am I just out of luck on this one?

[rex_havok]

Rex_Havok as Ermor the bright(blith) hope for the world
sorry for not posting earlier (forgot)
is it possible to have an update of all players and thier clan as a reference.
never played ermor before but i love "bums-rush" stratagies.

[limbo]

to b.blackmore: sorry hear that, but we`ve beem kickin anonymous players away because people have uploaded wrong pretenders. so there is nothing we can do about this one right now.

to rex_havok: sorry i dont quite ubderstand your question..
do you want to know whos playing with what nation? if so, please check: https://www.mosehansen.dk/cgi-bin/dom2.pl?page=BrowseGamePage&amp;game=Clash_of_the_Tita ns

[Calistas]

Caelum here! Wish the map had borders http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[limbo]

put on your neighbours filter. helps a lot on this map.

[Bale_Blackmoon]

Its ok, it happens, but someone is playing that one right, becuase if not I 'll be happy to, but either way all good, I can always catch the nest one http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Turin]

Can you put the restriction info in the message displayed at mosehansen? It might be that not everyone has been following this thread.

[Ygorl]

Might be that nobody's looking at that either. Next time I log in I'll send a text message to everyone.

[Calistas]

Can't connect, get a 'not responding' from D2. Any ideas?

[limbo]

thx ygorl.

calista, the server is down from time to time.

[Soapyfrog]

Yeah its a known issue. The solution is to restart the server on Mose.

Generally I have to try twice to connect. First time it hangs and I close it at the earliest possible opportunity, then I reconnect and I get in... however others have reported having to retry several times before connecting.

I've seen it with other mosehansen games and a server restart always fixes it.

[WraithLord]

I've tried a few times today and yesterday but the server seems to be down.

[Soapyfrog]

limbo can you give the server a little restart? That should fix it.

[limbo]

doesnt that restart whole game?

[Soapyfrog]

Nope... if you are nervous about it check the mosehansen server thread.

[Soapyfrog]

Game is stopped now?

[baboune]

I get a waiting for server message... Is it restarted.

[rex_havok]

What's up(or should i say what's down)

[limbo]

ok ive restarted the game.

[Bale_Blackmoon]

Does this mean I can reload as Pangea or does someone already have it?

[Soapyfrog]

Game is already under way so you are out of luck... sorry http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif

[Cohen]

I've problems connecting to the game ...
Well I can't connect at all, it stops on Waiting for Game Info...

[anatoli11]

I'm having connection problems too

[rex_havok]

why are we having connection problems?
would a fresh start fix it. we are only on the early turns. better now then in turn 20+

[baboune]

I can not connect either... Waiting for info... Even with 10 consecutive clients...

I am also having problems with another game on mosehansen... Maybe something is wrong there...

[Navar]

Some problem here !!

[baboune]

This morning it was all good. Turn complete.

[limbo]

i suppose the server needs a daily restart. so no need to restart the whole game rex:) ill keep on kickin the server once in a while, that shoould do it.

[Soapyfrog]

I dont think it neds a daily restart, surely?

[Jurri]

So is ally-summoning limited too? Couldn't find an answer skimming through the thread.

[limbo]

does somebady have any ideas of ally-summonings?

[Ygorl]

I don't think anyone had a problem with vampires (or other ally-summoning dudes). I'm perfectly content to be wrong, though.

[limbo]

exactly same time on posting Ygorl:) that must mean something BIG!

[Jurri]

Well, seeing as the reason for the limitations is to prevent hoarding of various elements, it would sound logical to restrict also hoarding that is not item related. I really wouldn't know how big a deal it is, end-game-wise, but considering the perceived effect of unlimited Soul Contracts...

OTOH it would be just plain silly to restrict werewolves or draconian chiefs. (Or Ulmish wolf-herders or Mictlan's tribal chiefs, for that matter http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif)


Why don't someone with an opinion comment?

[WraithLord]

I've no problem with ally summons.
Either they summon crap or that they waste a turn of an otherwise useful commander.
I say, if they want to waste the wraith lord's prowess on ghost summons it's their problem.

I think they community should request a feature of global limitation gem producing items.

[Calistas]

Jotunheim. Sorry for banging heads like that. I was planning on moving more away from you and we collided!

Caelum

[Knudsen]

Am I the only one having trouble connecting to the game server? So far I missed t17 "waiting for game info"

[Soapyfrog]

Classic server wonkiness. Server just needs another restart.

Basically you should be able to connect by trying repeatedly... i.e. start dom2, connect, close dom2 the moment its apparent the connection is hung, immediately try again, repeat until success.

Not ideal, but until the server is given a restart to fix the problem its the only way...

[Ygorl]

You can also have success by just waiting for the "failed" dialog to pop up and hitting "Retry". That probably puts less strain on the server, which maybe helps the situation.

[Soapyfrog]

Regarding ally summoning, its not a problem for most things. The summons are for for the most only good becuase they are free, not becuase they are particularly potent troops.

The Vampires are really only considered a problem becuase they are immortal... after all their stats are not great for the late game.

Immortality is the kicker: imagine, if you will, fighting and beating the mile-wide mass of 800 vampires at great expense, only to have them reappear the next turn at the guys capital... oh the headaches.

It can certainly be a problem if you are not equipped to deal with it, e.g. wrathful skies, firestorm, or other dramatic battlefield wide killing spell.

[Calistas]

Bugger. I ran into you again Jot. I thought I was moving away.

I will stop moving in that direction completely until I hear where abouts you are.

Caelum

[Turin]

bleh another couple of giants toasted. Is it random who fights the indies? Seems to me I always first kill the indies to get kicked around by your queen.

Mind if I at least take the province? there is only one buffer province between it and my capital.

And what´s up with the scouts? watched c´tis attacking an indie province with a lone scout and they all ran away.
NO there was NO castle there.

[Calistas]

Yes, please take it. It has one Province Defence (to stave off.. bad events i guess). Then let us consider our border static? You might want to wait a turn before you take it or could you run into my queen who is leaving?

Maybe he had zapped the leader there so they just turned tail and ran???

Caelum

[Jurri]

Calistas said:
Maybe he had zapped the leader there so they just turned tail and ran???



Exactement, mon ami!

[Calistas]

What clever zappyness did you use my old chum?

[Jurri]

Why, empoisoners, of course! No big secret, that...

[Jurri]

Hey, with Mosehansen's web-interface down and many players having problems connecting, do you think it would be feasible for someone to post a notification here whenever a new turn is up?

[anatoli11]

I have to go away at short notice Early Wednesday until Friday afternoon - I am hoping you can hold the game until then.

Sorry, Thanks

[limbo]

anatoli, its done. i took off the quickhost. that should do it.

[Soapyfrog]

Out of curiosity, why take quickhost off?

The current situation, everyone has completed their turns including anatoli11, why not let the turn host so we can all work on our next turn?

[Soapyfrog]

Argh! Must... play... turn... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[Turin]

I will be gone for the weekend, so if you could leave quickhost at 48 hours until monday it would be great.

[limbo]

your will is my law.

[limbo]

what is it with mictlan?

[Jurri]

I just sent Ygorl an e-mail inquiry pertaining to the matter.

[rex_havok]

?does anyone know when you use "fire &amp; retreat" and you win the battle do your archers remain in the hex or do you have to go to surrounding province and collect them?
(Last time i used this option they scattered but that was a few patches ago).

[Cohen]

The archers will flee, and scatter in the surrounding provinces.
Not so useful because you'll waste a lot of time regrouping them unless you've a lone bordering province with a commander ready to pick them up.

[Jurri]

No word from Ygorl. Should we put the game on hold until a sub can be found?

[limbo]

im asking my friend to take control over the mictlan. what about ulm? is he still around? i think that ulm staled Last turn.

edit: Anaconda is taking over mictlan! if you had deals with mictlan, you should inform him about them.
but if mictlan has a password we have a problem..

[Ygorl]

I'm back. Very sorry about that. I was in San Diego with no internet access for a week, which wasn't quite how I'd planned things.
I wonder if anybody knows where my pearls and blood slaves went? I'm pretty sure I had more slaves, and I know I had more pearls, and perhaps other things that I'm not remembering. But if, say, Anaconda handed them out to other folks, would you mind too terribly handing them back?

[Cohen]

I'vent received nor slaves nor pearls ...

[Soapyfrog]

nor I!

[baboune]

I have none of this...

[rex_havok]

Not me-"had more slaves, and I know I had more pearls"
?cashed in for cash or items?

?i am worried about long ermor turns in future, does save and quit, hold your moves without triggering the turn done for hosting?
?and is castles a must build for ermor (terrible units vs really bad and/or more of them?) cash is pretty tight so i need to spend it well.

[Cohen]

You'll need Castles:
Better and More units, protect your Temples.

[Jurri]

rex_havok said:
?i am worried about long ermor turns in future, does save and quit, hold your moves without triggering the turn done for hosting?



I'm afraid not, am not sure though. Here's what I do:
When you connect to server it downloads your turn file after inserting your password. If you disconnect from the choose nation screen, you can do your turn offline (just choose 'Play an existing game') and then connect to the server again after you are done. It will automatically upload your turn after inserting password. If it's really tight with the deadline, you can use the web-interface to check when it hosts, it seems to give the hosting time to the minute in the Last hour before hosting.

Does that make any sense?

[rex_havok]

thank you

[Knudsen]

baboune said:
I have none of this...



Nor do I

[rex_havok]

connecting to server was good but having trouble connecting today.

[Turin]

yeah me too. I tried 5 times already.

[Soapyfrog]

Needs a restart I think.

[Knudsen]

Turin said:
yeah me too. I tried 5 times already.



I'm having trouble connecting too. And as a bonus the damn server locks my computer.

[limbo]

i havent check the forums lately. sorry for that. so anaconda made deals when playing with mictlan. i received a fine amount of slaves from him in exchange for gold. i can trade them them back in a while if you wish. but for the gems, i dont know. maybe he made some other deals as well. i can ask him when i see him. im not sure if he played one or more turns. my gues is 2.
could it be that he has casted some ritual spells?

and server is restarted now.

-limbo

[limbo]

sorry for constantly restarting our game. this is because i am unable to get in the iternet from my o´wn comp wich is where the game is running. problems will be fixed pretty soon. sorry.

[Knudsen]

I'll be away this Saturday. I should be back in time to do the next turn (I've done the current turn - no problem there), but I would appreciate, if you could hold the next turn until Sunday night (GMT +1) if I'm in danger of a stale turn.

Thanks

Knudsen_

[Turin]

I can´t connect to the server and have to leave until sunday night. Can you turn forcehost off until then?

[baboune]

Is the server down?

[Soapyfrog]

Seems to be borked.

[Ygorl]

So I see that the game is stopped, but when you say "borked" do you mean "gone for good"?

[Soapyfrog]

Well... I HOPE not!! We should appeal to limbo, whose game it is. limbo? Are you in limbo? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

[limbo]

game is on again. and ive taken the quickhost off for a while. sorry for not checkin the forums actively. my internet has been jamming a lot lately.

[Jurri]

Ulm staled (again). Anyone know about Cheezeninja; he still around? I guess we better look for a sub asap.

And since when did Pangaea go AI!? Sheesh...

[Soapyfrog]

No idea, I am just labouring away in my own little sad, dark, and above all lonely Tien Chi world... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[Jurri]

Poor froggy... I guess I better send you some company then http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/evil.gif

[Soapyfrog]

Noooooooo.... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[Jurri]

Oh yeessshhh... (Hisseth the high priest)
Yes! Yes! Yes! (Barketh the predators)
--- (The undead, they sayeth nothing)

[Knudsen]

Jurri said:
Ulm staled (again). Anyone know about Cheezeninja; he still around? I guess we better look for a sub asap.

And since when did Pangaea go AI!? Sheesh...



I think the rampaging undead hordes of Ermor have something to do with Pangaea going AI

[Jurri]

Ermor-dogpile!!!! Naturally, I can't come, 'cause I'm on the other side of the world and have a lame leg, but everyone else: quick, before it's too late!! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif

So what do we do with Ulm? Should we turn him AI or let limbo sub him for now and find a permanent sub quickly? Is it even possible to get a sub without distributing the master-password around, assuming that Ulm is password protected?

[rex_havok]

i had a nap w/ pan
i think, but not sure, that ulm and pangaea may been after the same stuff. maybe they killed each other?
i have a nap w/ all my neighbour and no problems other then a newbe mistakes w/ diplomacy and man (Knudsen).

i only see one hex of ulm but no movement from my veiw.
i don't think ulm or pan have done well but hard to say.

BTW its very cold up here and if you want a vaction home the lizards have some lovely swamp land they would like to sell you for your new theme park.(warm and wet sounds good)
http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif

[Knudsen]

Jurri said:
Ermor-dogpile!!!! Naturally, I can't come, 'cause I'm on the other side of the world and have a lame leg, but everyone else: quick, before it's too late!! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif

So what do we do with Ulm? Should we turn him AI or let limbo sub him for now and find a permanent sub quickly? Is it even possible to get a sub without distributing the master-password around, assuming that Ulm is password protected?



If possible, I vote for a sub.

Sorry to hear about your lame leg. I hope you take a good long rest on the other side of the world and let you leg have some rest http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Jurri]

Thank you for your concern! I even reconsidered travelling to T'ien C'hi to keep Soapy company; It would do my arm no good to overtax it now! Or was it leg? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[Soapyfrog]

Server is down again this morning http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif

[Jurri]

Restarted!

(Due to limbo having some problems with his connection, I fill in... Bribes accepted, of course! Mmmm... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/beerglass.gif or /threads/images/Graemlins/Martini.gif or perhaps even /threads/images/Graemlins/Woman3.gif and /threads/images/Graemlins/Woman4.gif...)

[Jurri]

Jurri said:
Is it even possible to get a sub without distributing the master-password around, assuming that Ulm is password protected?



Anyone? I don't have a clue...

I guess I'll post a sub-search anyway, what's to stop the sub from playing with the masterkey anyways?

[Knudsen]

I've got a possible replacement. It's an old friend, who is fairly new at Dominions. The fact that I know him shouldn't pose any problems as he usually does what he thinks best - not what I tell him.

If we agree to take him in as the new God og Ulm, I'll have him post here, and bring him up to speed on the game so far.

[Jurri]

I say that's just perfect. Anyone have an objection, be quick about it.

I have set the game to quickhost only, so that he can have the time necessary to acclimate himself.

[rex_havok]

i boarder ulm and am a war with man (Knudsen)
it would be like i am fighting the same guy on both sides.
just let him go ai and be done with it.
it would be the fairest for those who boarder ulm.

[rex_havok]

amendment
on new ulm
if the new ulm would agree not to attack ermor and/or if "man" was fighting a two side war this would work.
but i vote AI.

[limbo]

i say, let knudsens friend fill in as ulm. ulm has enough problems with ai pangae and indys. and if ulm would be ai also, then it would be way to easy for ermor to conquer dem northern lands. can we make non-agression-agreedment between new-ulm and ermor for a 15 turns? would that be ok for rex_havok?

[Jurri]

I'd say let Ulm make decisions for himself... He is not Knudsen (right? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif), so it is not a given that he'll be attacking Ermor or anyone else... Although he does have only two neighbors and a substantial amount of gold and gems that have accumulated with his stales http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[rex_havok]

limbo said:
i say, let knudsens friend fill in as ulm. ulm has enough problems with ai pangae and indys. and if ulm would be ai also, then it would be way to easy for ermor to conquer dem northern lands. can we make non-agression-agreedment between new-ulm and ermor for a 15 turns? would that be ok for rex_havok?



that would work. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/cool.gif

? newbe question when someone goes AI what level does the computer play at (ai impossible - easy)?
?and does ulm get a master key ? (recon can make a huge difference if he can see all. and shares the info http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/eek.gif).

[Jurri]

Some trust for others, eh, rex? What fun is it to use a master password to scout stuff? And fun is what we play for, right?

And the AI-level only changes the points usable for god-creating (harder=more); it doesn't affect its gameplay.

[Ygorl]

So in particular when a human player goes AI the resulting computer player is like a very easy AI opponent (compared to the AI that folks normally use for SP), except with the advantage of having been played by a human for a while. When that human hasn't done anything in many turns, though, that advantage diminishes. I'm glad we've got a sub.

[rex_havok]

after my 1st game (this is my 2nd) i have no trust.
stabed in the back twice (differnet players). and a very rude(actually verbably abusive w/ personal death treats) player. has left a very bitter taste. hope this one is substantually better (cann't be much worse). (note:the 4 other players i had contact with were very good).

?are you implying that he will have the master password?
what can one do w/ the password?

i play for fun and would be happy to do boarder skimmies till the cows came home but other are very aggressive and have different goals (as my 1st game pointed out).
I will see how this game goes and ajust my dom behavior to match.(ie if everyone backstabs or gangs up on one, conversly players hold deals true(barring mistakes) and attacks one another).

but look out i have soulless and not afraid to use them http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif BTW what is the ratio of soulless vs vineorges w/ mages? 50-1? i find the AI to be tough but i must lack experience by the tone of the disscussion Boards vs AI.

[Jurri]

Backstabbing is just a sign of different gaming culture... Certainly not on par with actual cheating, which using the masterpassword to one's advantage would be! Verbal abusiveness is another matter again; although very loutish, it isn't cheating either, and should be handled the usual, social way.

With the master password one open any players turn files and do the same things the player could. I'm willing to trust a personal friend of one of the players with it; indeed, consider the alternative, some screen name whom no one knows!

To comment on backstabbing some more, consider this: If the game's goal is perceived as giving one's best within the limits set be the rules, and the joy in the game is derived from performing well, backstabbing comes naturally: Indeed, at some point of the game, one might consider a player who _doesn't_ backstab a clear winner to play poorly and to ruin the game for others. (If you know the classic board game, Diplomacy, please compare!) Well, I could go into detail, but suffice to say that as long as it's within the limits of the rules (both overt and "hidden") it's ok with me. Some might consider it poor tact to do some things, whilst others see them as necessities to satisfy the collective need to do one's best.

I wouldn't want such a trifle as getting a sub to sour the mood, though, so please rex, check the graphs and see that Ulm can't touch you http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

Oh, and the AI is pretty straightforward to deal with as Ermor; it doesn't often dare to attack against your massive hordes, so just put a couple hundred dudes on your borders and attack at your leisure.

Pan mages are not that hot against your horde, and vineogres can't hold out against superior numbers; you could consider just swarming the ogres and flanking his mages with cavalry; vineogres dissolve when all mages are dead IIRC.

[archaeolept]

the masterpassword can't really be used to mess w/ someone's turn, w/out it being completely obvious (since he'd have to do the whole turn himself, and it would bear little relation to what you sent in).

however, it can be used to illegitimately scout out an opponent's empire. I wouldn't worry about it if the guy is personally known by someone else. You have to be on the level of a norfleet to do that.

[limbo]

i am leaving for about week. so i have to change the hosting things. you know what i mean. sorry guys:) ill try to find a comp to use there where i will be..

-limbo

[Knudsen]

rex_havok said:
after my 1st game (this is my 2nd) i have no trust.
stabed in the back twice (differnet players). and a very rude(actually verbably abusive w/ personal death treats) player. has left a very bitter taste. hope this one is substantually better (cann't be much worse). (note:the 4 other players i had contact with were very good).

?are you implying that he will have the master password?
what can one do w/ the password?

i play for fun and would be happy to do boarder skimmies till the cows came home but other are very aggressive and have different goals (as my 1st game pointed out).
I will see how this game goes and ajust my dom behavior to match.(ie if everyone backstabs or gangs up on one, conversly players hold deals true(barring mistakes) and attacks one another).

but look out i have soulless and not afraid to use them http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif BTW what is the ratio of soulless vs vineorges w/ mages? 50-1? i find the AI to be tough but i must lack experience by the tone of the disscussion Boards vs AI.



Several things.

1. I'll not bring a friend into the game, if one or several players distrust him, before he has had a chance to make his own mark.

2. I already wrote the former Ulm player and suggested a joint move against Ermor. Which is a perfectly natural thing for neighbours of an undead empire to do. Any new player should be free to make his own decisions. Other- wise we may as well let the nation go AI. I have also made very little secret of my intention of attacking Ermor before their hordes darken the sun.

3. In my experience the exchange rate is around 20 wandering undead to a vine ogre. Keep 'em coming and my archers will all end up with 5 star experience :-)

[rex_havok]

i say, let knudsens friend fill in as ulm. ulm has enough problems with ai pangae and indys. can we make non-agression-agreedment between new-ulm and ermor for a 15 turns? would that be ok for rex_havok?

please invite your friend to play.

[Soapyfrog]

I don't think whoever is taking over Ulm should be restricted in their diplomatic choices...

[Knudsen]

I have send my friends mailaddy to Limbo, so they can work out the practical side of replacing Ulm.

[Jurri]

Soapyfrog said:
I don't think whoever is taking over Ulm should be restricted in their diplomatic choices...



I certainly echo the sentiment; I mean, like Knudsen says, it's the same as playing against AI if a nations decisions are made from any other basis than what is good for the nation.

Rex, why are you so suspicious of anyone subbing for Ulm? I mean, why would Knudsen's friend do any other decisions than would someone completely different? I'd like to get a player as soon as possible, so as not to stall the game any longer. Although with limbo taking a trip we could look for someone completely unrelated. I however, would feel more comfortable with a personal friend of someone than I would with a name on the screen, since the master-password can be abused and all.

[Soapyfrog]

Even if Ulm DOES do something "weird", well that's how the game goes.

People are unpredictable, unreliable... that's just part of playing multiplayer.

[Knudsen]

Latest news

My friend, Rasmus, is all set to take over Ulm. But he ran into trouble logging in with the password he recieved and is currently awaiting further guidance from Limbo.

In the meantime. Lets talk about how evil and unnatural the wandering dead are ;-)

[Navar]

...news ?

[baboune]

Is this thing dead?

[Soapyfrog]

I hope not!

[Jurri]

I'd guess (wish) things get moving once again when limbo returns from whatever limbo he's been banished into.

[rex_havok]

it has been so long i can hardly remember what this game was about.
something about how good and green the man's lands look and it would be a great place for others to visit.
....yummie trees....
now would be a good time to nibble harvest a few trees while he is not looking.
quick before its to late.... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

[Knudsen]

rex_havok said:
it has been so long i can hardly remember what this game was about.
something about how good and green the man's lands look and it would be a great place for others to visit.
....yummie trees....
now would be a good time to nibble harvest a few trees while he is not looking.
quick before its to late.... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif



I see we'll have to find a nice quiet forest where we can lay your skeletons to rest

[rex_havok]

i remember dreaming of a nice quite grave yard when suddenly moving trees started beating my peace loving souless to peices. wait that wasn't a dream aeeyyyyyyy my lovely graveyards ruined by rampaging ogres, nastly priest and men with pointy sticks. help help is anyone out there who can hear the dead scream.
"i see dead people" but do you hear them to.
ps i never take my skeletons out of the closet.

[Knudsen]

rex_havok said:
i remember dreaming of a nice quite grave yard when suddenly moving trees started beating my peace loving souless to peices. wait that wasn't a dream aeeyyyyyyy my lovely graveyards ruined by rampaging ogres, nastly priest and men with pointy sticks. help help is anyone out there who can hear the dead scream.
"i see dead people" but do you hear them to.
ps i never take my skeletons out of the closet.



If a skeleton falls in the forest, will anyone hear it? And will anyone care?

Probably not :-)

[Ygorl]

Whither limbo?

[Soapyfrog]

Indeed... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif

[Navar]

Requiem for a dead game.

[baboune]

Why not set it to AI and just keep going?

[Knudsen]

baboune said:
Why not set it to AI and just keep going?



I'm not sure we are waiting for the replacement. But if we are, I suggest we let Ulm stall until the situation is sorted.

[Jurri]

I guess we are waiting for Ulm and limbo... but we can't wait forever, so I set the server to host in 24 hours, notify your neighbors and allies!

[Jurri]

Alright, I went through the Mosehansen web front-end with limbo's password and found it does display the master password there. I tried to open my own turn file with it but it didn't work. Anyone know why that is?

More importantly is there anything to be done with Ulm if the master doesn't work? It's needed for setting the nation to AI, too. I guess we could just leave it be, essentially 24h fixed hosting; that cool with everyone?

[archaeolept]

one warning - there was a bug (probably still is http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif) whereby if you use the masterpassword to set a nation to AI (or play his turn probably) while still playing your turn from the same install you used the masterpass from, you will get a forced stale for your own nation.

ie. try to have someone else do it

[Ygorl]

What about finding replacements, rather than just AIofying them?
I know it would take a bit longer, but we've waited this long and it just seems a shame to throw them away.

[Jurri]

It seems the master password doesn't work at all, so we might have to go with the staling. All the more reason to yell and scream our remaining players back to business! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

I have e-mailed Mose about the problem with the password, so let's hope that he will find a solution to allow us to get subs for missing players. If not, then I guess we should pool our national passwords on some third party to avoid such incident again, and let Ulm stale until its gone.

Anyways, new turns in ~20 hours, so stay tuned, and wake up your allies! (Especially those not seen on the Boards or elsewhere in a while. In fact I guess it wouldn't hurt to PM or e-mail every player who hasn't been active on the Boards lately. Could someone do it please, I'm in a hurry!)

[limbo]

hello and sorry for my unexplained vanishing.. but im back from limbo as limbo as limbo can be. i dont know what is wrong with masterpassword either. i hope somebody knows.

[limbo]

and didnt even miss a turn!!! thanks guys.

[Jurri]

Well, Mose didn't have any additional light to shed on the master-password problem. I guess we will have to do without http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif

That means that the schedule is then 24h fixed and that Ulm is going to stale until dead. I propose we pool our national passwords on some third party so as to prevent such from happening again. Preferably some hopeless junkie, who hangs here reliably every day http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[rex_havok]

i had a full stall this turn.
i did my turn a long time ago and recently tuned up the rnd. but instead it looks like i did nothing Last rnd. if anyone else stalled i like to know, otherwise i will assume i made a clerical mistake somehow.

[archaeolept]

if you connected from another machine, the undone turn would have been uploaded. or else, if you accidentally chose "redo turn from beginning" or whatever that would also do it.

[Jurri]

Man, that sucks! But on the positive side, it gives Man a fighting chance http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[rex_havok]

if "man" would give me a truce( back off for a little while) i could concentrate on removeing Ulm from the game.
then we would not have to have ulm stall every turn till who knows when.


Jurri said:
Well, Mose didn't have any additional light to shed on the master-password problem. I guess we will have to do without http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif

That means that the schedule is then 24h fixed and that Ulm is going to stale until dead. I propose we pool our national passwords on some third party so as to prevent such from happening again. Preferably some hopeless junkie, who hangs here reliably every day http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Soapyfrog]

Thats an interesting diplomatic angle... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

[Jurri]

I don't mind terribly Ulm staling... The turns do take some time nowadays to do, so a fixed hosting might not be a bad idea anyways. Although I guess it would be possible to force a hosting once everyone but Ulm have done their turns, but what's the point, really? With a game this big I don't think we got more than one turn a day at the beginning even.

Only Caelum and Machaka to go, btw, so it seems the game is in good health. I e-mailed Calistas and Regen earlier (them not being around the Boards in a while): I got a _very_ weird reply from Calistas (I don't really know what to make of it, someone else try and ask if he's still in!) and Regen hasn't yet responded.

Not having seen any objections to pooling the passwords, I guess I'll ask Truper or archae or someone to take care of them to regain the master password's functionality to some extent and will send an ingame message to all about it after I know where to send the 'words. That cool? Someone please validate the idea; is there some glaring problem in it that's so obvious that it needn't even be voiced?

[Knudsen]

Soapyfrog said:
Thats an interesting diplomatic angle... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif



Or perhaps I could continue west and solve the Ulm problem while I'm at it http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[rex_havok]

is Machaka still with us?

BTW (ulm problem) i thought so too http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif
Soapyfrog said:
Thats an interesting diplomatic angle...
but i am not keen on man going west.

[Jurri]

It would seem that Machaka, too, is not with us anymore. All the rest are accounted for, I think. So Machaka's lands are up for grabs for the quickest! (Since Regen hasn't answered the email query I sent him to the address in his profile, we'll have to assume that his nation is in a similar state as Ulm. Does someone here have another of his addresses by any chance?)

[Jurri]

Hee, hee, very funny. The explanation would be the Alchemist's Stone, I suppose. Weird bug. You want me to send the turn file to a 3rd party to check? I would prefer it, so no doubts linger.

[Ygorl]

I've certainly received that same message pointed at myself enough times that I'm not concerned.

[Turin]

Damn, every game I join has cheaters in it!
Once it even was me.
We really need a very strict cheat detection system http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif.

[Jurri]

Navar, why did you go AI?

And why none of my neighbors do? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif

[Calistas]

Er, what's happened to the game? Is it running?

Peter

[Jurri]

Eh? Sure is! Hosting in ~12h... You have a problem connecting or what?

[limbo]

hi guys. my comp was hijacked by a brand new spyware. so i had to format my harddrives for good. it will take until monday to fix all of the problems. -limbo

[Jurri]

Alright, with limbo back the hosting is once again 24h fixed, and new turns are in; look lively!

[rex_havok]

Jurri said:
Alright, with limbo back the hosting is once again 24h fixed, and new turns are in; look lively!


looks like almost everyone is still alive (er...moving) only Cael. left to go.

[Alneyan]

I will probably not be able to upload my turn(s); my usual problem of not being able to connect to the server has appeared once more.

So you should expext Arcoscephale to start staling, but they are virtually dead, so.

[Jurri]

Server restarted, try now. I recall restarting has helped in the past.

[limbo]

christmas season! im going for a long trip to visit santa in lapland! this means that game will be in ice for a ap.3 weeks.. i hope you all have patience:) i`ve ´given a thought about having an sub. but strategically thats not a good idea at the moment. im really sorry for the delay. but im taking a dom2 with me, and hopefully ill find a machine to install it to.

MERRY XMAS!!

-limbo

[Alneyan]

Thanks Jurri, but my problem has nothing to do with the server (it is not the usual one). I believe the network configuration sometimes shut down some ports, just to have a laugh.

It should be solved on its own, one of these days, but no turns from me until then. (The same symptom prevents me from going to some sites, for no apparent reason either)

[rex_havok]

server down?

[Jurri]

Back up again. Everyone cool with a pause? If so, I'll host once Alneyan gets his turn in and then set it to host in January the next time.

I'm a bit concerned about losing players over such a long stretch, but I don't know if we have any alternatives.

[Turin]

well I would be away for a week over christmas too, so I don´t really mind.

[Ygorl]

No problem for me either. I'll be visiting ye olde family soon...

[Alneyan]

Looks like the Old Bug is gone for the time being (I have just done my turn). And of course, I should not be able to do much more than surviving in the coming turns, so.

Well, I guess I will leave Arcoscephale in a pretty poor situation to the first player. At least, they have survived an offensive by two nations, including the most powerful one on this side of Faerun. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[Jurri]

Alright, a new turn is in. Do it at your leisure; I'll return us to normal schedule once everyone is back from merrymaking.

Oh, and Alneyan, admirable fighting in a sudden situation. Especially the attack on T'ien C'hi with a scout took me by surprise! Whatever did poor Soapy do to you... (Just asking so I could do it too http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif)

[Alneyan]

Well, if you consider "putting up a Maginot Line" to be admirable fighting, then it is. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif I am hoping for some spells to try to turn the tides though; that, or merely wait for someone else to jump on C'tis. Or the rest of the world rather.

T'ien Ch'i (and my other neighbours) did nothing to bring my ire on them. I merely needed money, had scouts everywhere, and attacked every province not defended to capture it for one turn; 50 gold pieces go a long way to make both ends meet at the end of a turn. That, and the scouts were requiring upkeep, so good riddance if they happened to come upon an enemy army.

[Soapyfrog]

I figured it was just a cash grab and didnt take it to heart... my fault for not spending 1 gold on PD. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Alneyan]

Did you make sure you put that point once you took back the province? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

And it isn't as if I would mind if you decided to invade me. I would certainly welcome a change; that, and you would surely be weakened once (or if) you crush C'tis' armies, so that would make my own situation easier. What a world! You cannot irritate your neighbours, even when taking their provinces! *Grumbles*

[Jurri]

Alneyan said:
Well, if you consider "putting up a Maginot Line" to be admirable fighting, then it is. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif


Considering you were attacked on, what, turn two of your stewardship I'd say your fighting spirit is admirable. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif I had planned it for some time before, though, so don't think any less of me for pouncing on a sub!

I am hoping for some spells to try to turn the tides though; that, or merely wait for someone else to jump on C'tis. Or the rest of the world rather.


And here I was just waiting for you to die a natural death... Can't be helped, it's baboune's castle anyway. Or you could come out from behind your walls; what better way to live forever in legend than dying a futile death!

What a world! You cannot irritate your neighbours, even when taking their provinces!


http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif Friends 4ever, you and me then? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Alneyan]

Giving up would be counter-productive. I said I would take over that nation, and survive against mind bLasts, pestilence wind, and mean serpents; I meant it. The proud walls of Arcoscephale shall not fall to the treacherous nations of the world! One day, braves will eventually falter; but such is not our fate. Our fate is to survive without food, without the monthly pay, and with seventeen sermons a day to keep our Dominion high.

And more importantly, if I am known as someone leaving my nation alone when attacked, that would just make enemy offensives more likely. Now, you are aware I can be quite annoying, even when I have virtually nothing to throw against you; with any luck, that might deter you from attacking me when I actually have some poison left in my fangs. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

Why should I want to leave the safe walls of my castles, when I have so many priestesses healing troops, and creating enough food to sustain a siege without any trouble? Arcoscephale is a nice nation to live through long sieges. Two nations went down this turn, so at that rate, I will rule over the world in eight turns. Dear people of Arcoscephale, time is playing in our favour! Hold them away from the bay long enough, and victory shall be ours! Well, perhaps.

Of course, when I complained about the patience of my neighbours, I merely spoke of T'ien Ch'i and Mictlan. You aren't irritating my people either. After all, their life force is better spent holding down the fort than throwing random curses at your people. Oh, and the morale might be lower after the sudden deaths of our Astrologers, who happened to be killed after a friendly journey into your lands. Still, don't expect us to die in our walls; a contigency Gateway is ready, should the need to flee arise. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

Priam of Troy, Keeper of the Gates. "Take heart good people! We have been besieged for a mere few moons, while it has been heralded that the seven walls shall only fall after many a year under siege!"

[Jurri]

Oh, no, not giving up, certainly... Just gambling with very slim odds http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif I mean, all the castles nearby are hardly defended at all: who knows if you could take them and keep them! One way to find out, oh yes. Indeed, it's not like your swell band of dudes is doing anything productive in your palace, now is it?

Where does the contingency Gateway lead to? I mean, you've only got two castles and one of them is surrounded by ol' squidhead. I'd say it's the classic "from the frying pan into the fire" situation.

Priam is my *****. Ride the lizard, baby!

(Of course I'm not really propagating surrender; in fact I have half a mind to keep you as a caged pet to see if you manage to do something that might disturb my peace of mind. That would also boost my image as the evil overlord nicely, torturing my fellow players by not ending their suffering... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/evil.gif)

[Alneyan]

That was wishful thinking on your part. See, our good hoplites are busy setting up a welcome party for your people: trebuchets, onagers, ballistas, the odd bombard, boiling oil... If you can name it, we have it. Our soldiers are also spending their watches among our priestesses to be healed, and to keep a high morale.

We would have gladly launched a deadly counterstrike, but we have annoying recollections of what happened to our previous parties sent for this purpose. We had the firepower to take your petty castle without breaking a sweat, when your cavalry swarmed in and slaughtered our poor guys. Since our Pretender is more dead than not, and we cannot afford to keep mercenaries, we will have to postpone another offensive for a while.

Thanks for reminding me I should get the Gateway up and running before revealing its existence (I got confused with Astral Travel). So I will have to take one province from someone at the other end of the world, and prepare it for the run towards safety. So let it be known Arcoscephale offers intelligence about the serpents in exchange for a haven; a most fine offer.

Arcoscephale has refused to answer your Last comment. We shall merely say we are getting used to running for safety; in fact, I am doing pretty much the same in another game, with Arcoscephale again, but I actually started the war that led to my ruin in that other game (I had the wealthiest nation at the beginning of the hostilities. The key word is had). Here, at least, I can find half a dozen pretences to explain my defeat, and so a honourable death will await me.

Wait. I meant: a honourable strategic retreat to the most remote place in Faerun, where there are only a handful of asps. Of course, we will take up the arms later on, once we have recovered most of our strength. Later on.

[Jurri]

Well, I would recommend the Evermoors: its beautiful scenery is known throughout the world. Although the evil Ermorean necrophile might have ruined it. Rethild (also known as the Great Swamp) is also a place worth visiting; indeed, just Last summer I myself spent a most invigorating holiday there.

For the connoisseur of the pleasures of the flesh, I'd suggest Mortir Swamp; being placed so near to the Mictlanese lands, a fresh supply of Mictish virgins is assured for prolonged debaucheries. (They are the very best, ask anyone!) Coupled with the moist climate and the unique fauna, the place stays in your heart forever!

I'd say you'd do best to reserve your holiday in advance; especially Mortir Swamp is known to be somewhat dangerous for the unprepared. I'd recommend Mictlan's National Travel Agency, since it has always fulfilled and exceeded my expectations whenever I've used them.

(A city holiday would be mostly a waste of time; you can't come visit Mishtan and the other cities of the continent are really not worth seeing anyways.)

Oh yeah, and I'm glad I can provide some excercise in fleeing for your life; I'm sure it will come in handy later on. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

[rex_havok]

when will we starting again?

[Ygorl]

We've paved the swamps and put up condos, alas. Moreover, the virgins have traded in their purity for surgeon husbands (of many colors) with fast cars and big muscles. They're moving in to the condos, and are so wrapped up in their little lives that they really don't have time for visitors. My apologies.

[Jurri]

rex_havok said:
when will we starting again?



Assumedly when limbo gets back. He did say he's gone for three weeks, which would estimate the time of arrival to the first week of January.

[rex_havok]

turns up with unfortunate news. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/shock.gif
Assumedly when limbo gets back. He did say he's gone for three weeks, which would estimate the time of arrival to the first week of January.

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[Jurri]

rex_havok said:
turns up with unfortunate news. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/shock.gif



Whoa. So, yeah, there's a new turn, with an "interesting" turn of events. Check it out and tell if it effects your motivation for the game; has no bearing on my position so I'm cool with continuing, though shocked.

[Ygorl]

Well, retiring from Dominions altogether seems a drastic move (unless he was looking for an excuse), but that's a personal thing I suppose. As far as this particular game goes, I'd much prefer to have him subbed than have him AIed...

[Soapyfrog]

Pity... he should have asked to find a sub...

[Jurri]

Alright, I've procured the master-password from limbo and I believe I've canceled the AI-change. So it's time for Find the Sub. (Kinda like Hide the Sub, but not as fun.) Speed is of the essence (since this game has had so much problems already), so I won't even bother posting an ad: contact your buddies directly and bug someone into it. Wasn't there a bunch of new players recently looking for a game?

Due to a misunderstanding I didn't yet get the national 'word from limbo, but have asked for it. If it can't be acquired then the sub gets the masterword, so no trouble there.

Ooh, all this talk about masters and subs makes me all tingly inside! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/smile.gif

[rex_havok]

Jurri said:
Alright, I've procured the master-password from limbo and I believe I've canceled the AI-change. So it's time for Find the Sub. (Kinda like Hide the Sub, but not as fun.) Speed is of the essence (since this game has had so much problems already), so I won't even bother posting an ad: contact your buddies directly and bug someone into it. Wasn't there a bunch of new players recently looking for a game?

Due to a misunderstanding I didn't yet get the national 'word from limbo, but have asked for it. If it can't be acquired then the sub gets the masterword, so no trouble there.

Ooh, all this talk about masters and subs makes me all tingly inside! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/smile.gif



goodgoodgood
i glad it's not to late to get a sub(although i thought moving to AI was irreversible). for interested parties ermor and abysia have a 3rnd NAP and have about a 6 hex boarder. he has just captured marigons capital and has a small but good armie(from what my scouts report little chaff if any). i would expect (after a long war) that he was going to rebuild and regroup for the next few turns.

[Jurri]

rex_havok said:
i glad it's not to late to get a sub(although i thought moving to AI was irreversible)


It is irreversible. Luckily in this case the turn hasn't hosted yet -&gt; the orders haven't been processed -&gt; simply choosing 'redo turn from start' should cancel AIzation.

[baboune]

How about just killing this game? At this rate most player playing could be dead before we restart it.
http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Jurri]

Well, I could always just make Abysia and Caelum (or does someone know if Calistas is still around) AI, if you're too impatient. The rest of the players seem to still be around so no reason really to kill the game. So do your turn already! And find some subs while you're at it! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Ygorl]

I've got a friend who'd like to take over an abandoned nation. He's fairly new to the game, but happy to give it a go. Hopefully he'll be posting here tonight or tomorrow, and Jurri can give him whatever info he needs...

[deccan]

Jurri said:
or does someone know if Calistas is still around)



Calistas probably isn't around. If his Posts in the QT3 forums are anything to judge by, he's off playing WOW.

[Jurri]

Well, f*ck. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/evil.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/mad.gif /threads/images/Graemlins/Envy.gif /threads/images/Graemlins/Cold.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/fear.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/yawn.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/smile.gif On the positive side, Ygorl's buddy can now choose from two nations...

[baboune]

What si this message about Abyssia cheating?

[Soapyfrog]

I am still in, whenever this game gets going again full time...

[Ewierl]

Hey folks! I'm Ygorl's friend, willing to pick up where someone or other left off. I'm willing to play either of the now-abandoned nations, if either one would help the game flow better, though I suppose I lean a bit towards Caelum. Not that I've played a full game of either one before!

What do I need to do to pick up where the vanished folks left off?

[Jurri]

All right! I'll PM you the password for Caelum alongside the link for the mapfile as soon as I dig it up. You should have the game patched to Version 2.14, which is, I believe, what Mosehansen's server uses. If you don't receive the PM (as is sometimes wont to happen in this buggy system) email me at jurri_at_luukku.com