OT: Hostess Gone Bankrupt!

[Atrocities]

OMG the makers of Twinkies and all those good munchie snack foods with a shelf life of a bajillion years has filed for bankruptcy protection!

LINK (http://www.ksdk.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=67256)

Tell me this is all just a horrible nightmare induced by medication and mind numbing pain! That I am locked in a nightmare world of my own mysery known commonly as HELL!

[Timstone]

I couldn't care less. We, here in Holland, have bakeries. We get our bread from real wheat and not that fake stuff you call wonderbread.
Sorry, my opinion on the North American food industry.
Unfortunate for the workers though. I feel for them.

[Atrocities]

You have not lived until you have eaten a 20 year old twinky!

[Timstone]

Hahaha... LOL!!!
I think I won't afterwards.

[gregebowman]

I've been having Little Debbie snacks lately. But no more Twinkies?! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/shock.gif Egad. What has this world come to?

[Gandalf Parker]

What? Hostess makes bread too?
Im not going to miss the bread. Thats just an edible napkin so the meat in my sandwiche isnt so messy. I can switch to tortillas.
But the PASTRYS! What will I do without the pastry?
How am I supposed to get my daily recommended preservatives?

[Timstone]

My, my, it seems like the people from Noth America are really struck by this.
Now you'll have to switch to real food. Hehehe...
Here, grab a Mars or a Snickers...
http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[Ragnarok]

Timstone said:
Here, grab a Mars or a Snickers...
http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif



Well we do that too, but we also need our pastries!

Personaly Wonder bread was good if it was fresh. Any more then 2 days old and it was nasty.

But if Twinkies are gone...the US will crumble! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

[Timstone]

Ragnarok said:

But if Twinkies are gone...the US will crumble! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif



This must be the work of Osama Bin Laden! Yes, this is the way he want to bring the USA to it's knees.
The evil schemer!

[Gandalf Parker]

Timstone said:

Ragnarok said:

But if Twinkies are gone...the US will crumble! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif



This must be the work of Osama Bin Laden! Yes, this is the way he want to bring the USA to it's knees.
The evil schemer!



That might not be so far fetched. The eternal edibility of twinkies is the stuff of science fiction novels everywhere. It is (at least as far as paperback books) the only "food" worth putting in your fallout shelter. Not like Im going to stock my bunker with tofu! And what will we put on the colony ships?!?

[Timstone]

Gandalf:
What?! You have a bunker?!
My goodness, you Americans really expected that the world was going to smithereens back in the 60's and 70's, did you?
Never knew the average (excuse me for using this term) American actually had a bunker in their backyard. Is this common?

[Mindi]

Timstone said:
Gandalf:
What?! You have a bunker?!
My goodness, you Americans really expected that the world was going to smithereens back in the 60's and 70's, did you?
Never knew the average (excuse me for using this term) American actually had a bunker in their backyard. Is this common?



http://instagiber.net/smiliesdotcom/otn/realhappy/xxrotflmao.gif

Sorry, I couldn't resist. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

[Fyron]

Timstone said:
I couldn't care less. We, here in Holland, have bakeries. We get our bread from real wheat and not that fake stuff you call wonderbread.
Sorry, my opinion on the North American food industry.
Unfortunate for the workers though. I feel for them.

Hey, plenty of Americans eat real bread, not that white bread crap that is mostly not anything beneficial to humans...

[Timstone]

Pfew, you just saved the reputation of the people in North Americans.
http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[Gandalf Parker]

Timstone said:
Gandalf:
What?! You have a bunker?!
My goodness, you Americans really expected that the world was going to smithereens back in the 60's and 70's, did you?
Never knew the average (excuse me for using this term) American actually had a bunker in their backyard. Is this common?



Basement, tornado cellar, root cellar, its all various levels. Nahhh my dad would have been the one to do that. My generation tended to move to wilderness areas and take up homesteading.

but I AM working on a colony ship. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Intimidator]

Timstone, about the American eating style.

Believe me it is even worse than we Dutch expect.
I lived in Florida for 6 months, and a few weeks with an American girl. After 1 week I begged her to do the cooking myself, had to explain her what all the green-stuff was and that you could actually eat it. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif
(She actually liked my food........can you believe that http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif )

Inti,

[Fyron]

So one idiot means everyone is an idiot? Way to stereotype people. /threads/images/Graemlins/icon47.gif

[Loser]

Yeah, I'm one of the people responsible for that.

Ketosis rules.

[Intimidator]

Ho wait,

Didn't say that, But my experience is that a lot of people in the states have an VERY unhealthy eating habit.
But I think you know that already.

BTW. the same problems are starting with kids in Holland also, less fruit more mcDonalds.........

[Atrocities]

They don't make Mars bars any more. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif

[Renegade 13]

I don't know about the US, but here, where I live (In Canada), I enjoy eating real food. Meaning food that was baked from the raw materials a couple hours ago. Mmmmm....what would life be without real, fresh from the cow steak! With no unnatural hormones, antibiotics and other crap. I guess there are some advantages to living on a ranch after all! If you ever need some meat, just go out, shoot it, skin it, cut it up and Voila! Meat! Oh yeah, as for the store-bought bread, it sucks. Weighs in at about 0.0001 grams per slice, and tastes like air with a little preservative added in for good measure. Although it does seem to toast a little better than real bread...hmmm...

[TerranC]

Renegade 13 said:
If you ever need some meat, just go out, shoot it, skin it, cut it up and Voila! Meat!



Mr. Renegade, I don't suppose you could spare some of that steak for us less-fortunate city slickers, could you? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

[Caduceus]

If you don't think America has an eating disorder, check out the NHANES II study that showed American kids obesity has doubled in the Last ten years.

If you don't believe that, go to your local Wal-Mart and take a look around.

Wildcard /threads/images/Graemlins/icon46.gif

[Gandalf Parker]

So what makes it a disorder? Looks to me like America eats well. No one starves in the US. Even our homeless look good because we have the highest grade of garbage in the world.

Actually, the fact that this conversation is happening at all means that you guys dont know what MSG is. Its a food additive that the FDA approved to add to foods because it had "no harmful side effects" other than making people want to eat more of the product. Now its in everything in the US, especially snack foods and fast food. Do a google search on MSG obesity FDA
Scarey reading

[Kamog]

What? No more Twinkies? No more Mars bars? /threads/images/Graemlins/Cold.gif

I haven't had a Twinkie in a long time. Back in the old days when my friends and I used to stay up all night playing games, we'd go out in the middle of the night to 7-11 and buy tons of junky snacks like Twinkies, chips and those super-sugary cupcakes, bring them back and eat them while we continued playing. Ah, the good old days... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/smile.gif

[Loser]

wildcard06 said:
If you don't think America has an eating disorder, check out the NHANES II study that showed American kids obesity has doubled in the Last ten years.

If you don't believe that, go to your local Wal-Mart and take a look around.

One of the reasons for this is the silly asertion, made first in the late seventies, that he reason for poor health and obesity was not sugar and heavy starches, as thoguht for centuries before, but fat. This lead to the 'low fat' craze.

Now, you might not know it, but fat satiates. That means it fills you up. Add to this the fact that in order to make a low fat food more appealing you have to add sugar (if it isn't appealing it doesn't sell), and you have an increase the the average calorie count for americans of . . . some stupid number.

So we're getting fat.

True, higher fat intake menas more colesterol and a greater risk of heart desease. But if you drop your fat intake down to near nothing, while increaseing your sugar and other carbohydrate intake (as Americans have done), you are going to, on average, get fat. Once you're fat you have an even higher risk of heart desease than you would have if you had stayed on the high-fat diet to begin with.

Not only this but obesity has special risks in children. If a person is obese durring puberty things turn out decidedly different. in addition to changing the way their body retains fat for the rest of their lives, more fat means more estrogen. This means obese girls have an accellerated puberty which increases their risk of ovarian and cervical cancer (though it usually leaves them more fertal (except in cases of morbid levels of obesity). Obese boys, on the other hand, have a retarded (slowed) puberty and will have softer jawlines, less body hair, less height, less testosterone, and more pectoral fat (man-boobs) for the rest of their lives. In cases of morbid obesity in males durring puberty their voices may not even change.

If that doesn't scar you this should. There is a sort of ban on studies involving the causes for different sizes in the most distinguishable male feature, so it's hard to find raw data on that. But a lady friend once told me that she only goes after tall skinny guys (who I noticed happened to have strong jawlines as well) because it invariably indicated the presence of certain other qualities. I've asked around a good deal since then (some people are very open, like the SCA for example), and have gotten nothing but confirmation. It's just anecdotal, but still should emphacize the risks of childhood obesity.

Declaring that people need to go on low-calorie, low-fat diets is great. The only problem is the third word in that sentance. If you realistically want people to stick to such a diet you must make it satisfy them, which will be very difficult.

Me, I'm overweight. I was obease, but I've been on somethign close to the atkins diet for about a year. I lost forty-five pound (~20kg) before I recently got sick and dropped out of ketosis (a differnt metabolic state) because I was eating things that got me healthy faster and put bacteria back in my stomach (anti-biotics).

Of course, if I come off this diet I will gain back much of the weight I've lost, but I don't plan on doing that. The most I will do, when I get back under the BMI that says I'm 'overweight', is bring back some fruits, some of the richer vegatables I've been avoiding (not potatoes, not ever again), and perhaps true-whole-grain breads now and then.

No sugar, no refined-grain breads, no pasta (there is 'Atkins friendly' pasta, but it is mostly dietary fiber so you shouldn't eat to much of it). I can live with that.
Gandalf Parker said:
Actually, the fact that this conversation is happening at all means that you guys dont know what MSG is. Its a food additive that the FDA approved to add to foods because it had "no harmful side effects" other than making people want to eat more of the product. Now its in everything in the US, especially snack foods and fast food. Do a google search on MSG obesity FDA
Scarey reading

I don't know, man. Around here you can't even buy MSG anymore. I know, because I used to keep the stuff around. They used to sell it as 'seasoned salt' in the spice isle. What you now find with the same lable is a mix of spices consisting mostly of pakrika.

I seriously doubt it's still in anything.

[Roanon]

wildcard06 said:
True, higher fat intake menas more colesterol and a greater risk of heart desease.



Another myth. Helps to sell low-fat junk food sells if people think it is "healthy", and help the pharma industry, nothing else.
Fat alone does not increase cholesterol to dangerous levels. One of the most significant factors that increases cholesterol level is stress, for example. Also, cholesterol alone has absolutely no impact on heart diseases. Only in conjunction with other factors, like smoking or overweight. To blame cholesterol for heart diseases is like to blame petrol for car crashes.

Amazing how many americans believe they are eating healthy if they eat artificial everything instead of real food. Buying food was always one of the biggest problems for us when being in the USA. Apart from the usual problems with different taste in bread and coffee. Saltless salt, fatfree fat, sugarfree sugar - it took long to find anything without this junk. Supermarkets with thousands of types of coke and other pops, but no mineral water. Healthy? Argggh.

[Fyron]

Roanon said:
Supermarkets with thousands of types of coke and other pops, but no mineral water. Healthy? Argggh.

Haven't noticed such a problem in California... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif At least, not in the Last decade or so.


Roanon said:
Another myth. Helps to sell low-fat junk food sells if people think it is "healthy", and help the pharma industry, nothing else.
Fat alone does not increase cholesterol to dangerous levels. One of the most significant factors that increases cholesterol level is stress, for example. Also, cholesterol alone has absolutely no impact on heart diseases. Only in conjunction with other factors, like smoking or overweight. To blame cholesterol for heart diseases is like to blame petrol for car crashes.

Actually... using too much fat and cholesterol can lead to becoming obese, thus increasing the risk of heart disease. Same with using too puch petrol. Drive too fast, increase the risk of an accident. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif These are not the causes of the respective problems, they are just the instruments used by some dangerous activities...

Also, I should point out that, in California at least, these unhealthy eating trends are coming to an end. Or at least being reduced... there is a lot of drive in the fast food industry for better, healthier food, for example. Not as served by the giants (eg: McDonald's), but by the increasing popularity and quantity of fast food restaurants that serve higher quality food that is not junk.

[Instar]

gimme freaking wheat bread, white bread is sugar and bleach

[Fyron]

Instar said:
gimme freaking wheat bread, white bread is sugar and bleach

There is some filler material in there as well...

[Captain Kwok]

To be fair, white bread is on the same level as most breads in the grocery store. If you want something healthy go with "whole grain" and watch out for things that say "whole wheat".

[narf poit chez BOOM]

I once squished a peice of store bought white bread. It squished down to around a millimeter.

[Timstone]

Gandalf Parker said:
My generation tended to move to wilderness areas and take up homesteading.



That explains your beard. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[Timstone]

Intimidator said:
Ho wait,

Didn't say that, But my experience is that a lot of people in the states have an VERY unhealthy eating habit.
But I think you know that already.

BTW. the same problems are starting with kids in Holland also, less fruit more mcDonalds.........



Sometimes the little bugger think that milk comes from a factory instead of from a nice cow. And no, there aren't any male cows, they are called bulls.
Stupid kids these days!