New Galactica Series

[mac5732]

Ok everyone, The new Battlestar Galactica has aired, so how about it out there, what are your views on this uptake, will it be as good or better, or whatever ...... (Does have some nice eye candy in it http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif )..hmm new FBW clones maybe?????? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

[Combat Wombat]

I think its better than the original series but that isn't saying much.

[Azselendor]

I like it.

I did notice during the first jump in "33" that it was really recycled from the miniseries, minus the storm and a lot of angles on the baseships seemed repeatative.

Perhaps a poke at the old series ;P

The one thing I would have liked to see is a voice over like lorne green's in the original series opening. With some slight changes and good casting, it would really provide a nice tie to the past.

[Starhawk]

Well remember "pilot" episodes which that was don't always have the same begining as the rest of the series so they may add that later on http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

I personally like it a LOT, it has drama but it's not so overboard that it's one of those "OH PLEASE GIVE ME A BREAK!" deal.

And it is realistic too in that some times hard choices must be made for the sake of the numbers, you know? unlike the original series where they NEVER lost a ship, or even if they did they never made a mention of it beyond "LORDS Of KOBOL" or somethin stupid like that and then it was never mentioned again, they never ran out of fuel/food/supplies/fighters and they could lose like 10 pilots a episode and have like 1,000 more waiting in the wings, WHERE do you get those pilots from?

Also they actually have PILOTS and MARINES instead of some stupid hybrid "WARRIOR" where they know how to do everything.

PLUS it's nice to know what the hell they are talking about when they mention time frames, I mean what the was a "CENTON" a minute a second? It seemed like it could go either way depending on the episodes!

[Atrocities]

I have already posted my opinions, likes, and dislikes on the series in the other BSG thread. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif Aside from some prop issues, garage build sets, and some writting quirks, the series is off to a darn good start IMHO.

[Azselendor]

I think the original BSG, in addition to sharing a similar base design for the Bridge, shares Voyager's Crew-Cloning Vats.

the new BSG earned high marks from me when Adama and the President discussed the nature of the military as the police. It seemed to hint to what the writers might think is a growing problem in Iraq at the moment.

I might be spoiling it, but I do think there is an episode that deals specifically with the fighter pilot numbers coming up.

Another good point is the white board. While out of place (and also wrong style since all papers and pictures have 8-edges as opposed to 4) in BSG, they keep a running tally of the survivors which goes down by far more than what it goes up by.

[Atrocities]

There are a lot of things I like about the series. And then there are a few things that just erk me to no end.

[Daynarr]

Are there any trailers we could d/l?

[Randallw]

The official site has 2 that I remember. The Teaser with a Colonial warrior being chased through woods, and the trailer covering the end of the war and the fleets escape.

Edit: read back a bit further and saw the crew vats mention. I remember in Voyagers first season they had a crew member around for a few episodes and then killed him off. A bit more depth than a redshirt, but they then dropped that after the first season and we get stuff like a dead crewmember returning that we have never seen before http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif.

[Atrocities]

The mini series is on DVD now. You can order it from the Sci-Fi site I think.

[Caduceus]

Somebody mentioned the voice over opening... If I recall, Olmos gave a good portion of this in the rousing finale speech at the end of the miniseries.

Which I would take as a nod to the prior show.

Everybody needs to remember just how bad some of our favorite shows are when they first start. In case you forget, watch the first few episodes of ST:TNG. Their sets are horrible.

[Starhawk]

That's because the TNG sets were supposed to be used in a show during the 80's called "Star Trek Phase II" which would star most of the original cast and crew except with a new vulcan and some ugly arsed helmsman. That series was cancled and the set was left waiting while they shot ST The Motion Picture and the rest of the movie series, during the late 80's they decided it was time for another Trek and used the uniforms and Written scripts of "Phase II" and placed the TNG crew in the roles instead. And if the first set's and episodes are any hint as to what "Phase II" was gonna be let's be glad they cancled it before it was launched http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif


As to BSG Yeah I do like the fact that they keep a running talley of how many people are left, I mean Voyager they had a crew of 150 roughly plus 20 Maqui, they apparently lost about 30-40 during the first few seasons where they took some pretty heavy beatings by the Kazon, later they got pLastered by the Borg which should have killed more yet didn't?


Anyway I like the new BSG because of the fact that they have very "modern" sets and nothing overly futuristic where it would just be pathetic http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif AND THANK YOU The Galactica is a warship NOT A PLEASURE CRUISER it has tight corridors and no frills, what was up with Star Trek and giving everyone wide open spaces and frills? Maybe that is why when their shields go down they explode, no room for armor with all those perks LOL.

[larrybush]

Actually I was suprised that is not too bad. The vipers launch silently, they tried to use Newtonian physics (more or less) there wasn't too much noise in space and banking turns (stuff that makes me turn it off quick!)There was some stuff that was goofy, but the acting was pretty good and the dialog was pretty good. I'll just see how long it takes for me to stop watching it...HA-HA-- I haven't watched a series(any series)since Bab 5. Notice the weapons were all missiles or some form of projectiles, no beam weapons. I think the Battlestar Galactica should retrofit some missile launch tubes too, Vipers and point defense may not serve the rag tag fleet for long.

[Daynarr]

Just looked at the trailers and I must say I'm impressed.
Looks like they made quite a lot of changes moving series from space soap opera it was then (by today's standards) into space survival struggle. It really looks good and far more believable.

I remember the first episodes of old BSG and watching the destruction of 12 colonies back then had nowhere near that "catastrophic" feeling to it as it does now only looking at trailers! I'm really looking forward to this series.

[Starhawk]

Yeah the original BSG was lame because 12 colonies and the entire colonial fleet were destroyed by a few fighters, yet the cylons could not bring down ONE BATTLESTAR! and a rag tag fleet of unarmed civilian targets (I mean ships).

[ZeroAdunn]

I think the new series looks great! It manages to be serious without going overboard. There were several converstaions I was particularly impressed with and I think the relationship between adama and the president is played out well. I was partiucarly impressed with the conversation about police/military roles conversation and Adamas speech to his son about living with your decisions.

I think the show is a lot more reall feeling then the originall. And for a pilot episode, 33 was incredible.

[Caduceus]

If anyone who hasn't seen it, it is on in the US at 1500 EST on SciFi - the miniseries. Today.

[tesco samoa]

mac its great.

good eyecandy http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif starbucks http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

i like the look and feel of it as well , just finished watching the 33 one...

I like it.

[TurinTurambar]

I was a big fan of the original series (cuz I was like 12 years old and Apollo was my hero) and I think they did a nice job of keeping just enough of the old to validate using the name, but then reworking it into quality modern TV. There's too much good TV out there to watch these Last 2 years (ie: the CSI shows, Law and Order, Stargate, House, etc.). Just plain old good writing, and I think this series, if allowed to mature, will be better TV than Babylon 5 was.

Speaking of B5, I've noticed a lot of the CGI pioneered by that series on this new BSG. And that's cool.

My $0.02
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[Azselendor]

Actually, his speech at the end of the miniseries would be a nice opener with some editing. I didn't even think about it.

Voyager's cloning vats... I was amazed that so many people existed on a ship with a crew of 150-170 people. Maybe the doctor was planning to go into pLastic surgery when they got home.... Can you imagine going into sickbay and waking up as someone else. Differnt face, gender, race, species, etc. That Doctor needs to be investigated...

The sets for TNG actually did not originate from Phase II. Those sets were torn down and used for other films prior to TNG's green-light. They later built new sets for the feature films that were redressed for the tv series. Only the cooridors, sickbay, battle bridge, and turbolifts survived to TNG.

Does anyone recall Babylon 5's early season? Before they added bracing to the back of the set walls? I recall one scene where the station was hit and an extra missed his cue to tumble and hit the wall in the background. The Monitor in the wall shifted back an inch and the whole wall shook from crew member hitting it.

back to BSG,
I think at the end of "Water" They were down to 45,000 and change. considering they started with 50,000... ouch.


But I see the galactica really as something like the Carrier Enterprise (cv-65) when put up against the rest of the carrier fleet of the US. She's the old girl, over-due for refit and retirement, of the entire fleet right now.

[Randallw]

I found an old tape of B5 Last night and watched it. I am appalled at how bad the sets were. It looks just like a sound stage with 3 wooden walls stuck up along the sides. I assume they spent most of their budgets on the CGI (which is the best part of course) and then skimped on sets and salaries (It is painful to watch the acting). Hey, great idea and storyline, pity about everything else.

[Renegade 13]

tesco samoa said:
good eyecandy http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif starbucks http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif



You got that right Tesco! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif

[mac5732]

I liked what I've seen so far, Its hard for me to judge as I was an Old BSG fan way back when, except for the Last year which sucked (when they found earth and killed most of the regulars off). It has good qualities, only thing which I question, (same for the original) is when the Cylons attack the fleet, they only show attacking Galactica, IMHO, they need to show attacks on the other ships more often along with damage, explosions ect. as well as the vipers trying to defend the entire fleet not just the galactica. Over all, I give it a high rating for now. Time will tell if it'll hold up, depends on how good the writers are. The actors play good parts as well as their acting overall. The eye candy, well... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif Never thought I'd envy Voltar http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/cool.gif Looks good hope it continues

[Atrocities]

The word is that they will be spending more money on improving the sets this next year. The reviews and Ratings of the series are better than expected. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[ZeroAdunn]

If they pull a farscape (which I think SCI FI tends to do, cheap as possible from the get go, then pump the funidng, then ***** about how much it costs http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif ) We will probably see some reall improvements next year. I mean, unlike farscape they don't have much costume work to do (as far as production value) and the sets shouldn't really change much. I think if they continue in the direction of what we have seen so far it will be good.

[Azselendor]

B5 blew a ton of money on CGI effects. It did lay the ground work and set a visual style, but the expense really hurt them in the crew and prop dept.

Anyone notice that every time the cylons appear or a hostile is inbound, the galactica immeidately moves between the fleet and them acting as a shield. It's not automatic either, it's almsot always specified.

[Starhawk]

It is a warship's duty to protect civilian ships, especially if it is the Last warship of your race and you can't afford to lose even a single civilian ship if it can be stopped.

[jeffel]

I have to say that I am very pleased to see that I am not the only one who enjoyed the episodes.

Many of the points brought up are spot on.

What I like.
The scene discussing military vrs police was a brilliant touch. I really like the way the writers are slowly building a partnership between Adama and the President.

I like the scene at the end of "33" where the President is told about the first birth. Sometimes it IS the little things that keep you going.

I like that the characters make tough decisions, but still have to live with the consequences.
. The President's decision to leave the non-ftl ships in the miniseries.
. The Decision by Adama/President/Lee to destroy the Carrier.
etc.

Not actually the pilot, but in the Miniseries, I like how they made you feel the plight/dispair. It was strangely engaging watching these people just do the best the could.

My big concern.
It really has to play out, but I just don't see how long the writers can plausibly draw out the Boomer/Chief thread. After one or two more events like in water, the Chief has to start getting suspicious. If not it will start to feel really forced.

All in all, we're off to a very promising start. This one is definately going into my watch list.

One other comment. B5 was (IMHO) the finest SciFi series in the Last 15 years. BSG has yet to earn mention in the same sentence. Given the rapid advances in CGI, it is no surprise that older shows look amatuer in comparison to what is coming out today.

[Caduceus]

The Boomer/Chief relationship is a bit of a problem. Obviously from the outside we all see how wrong it is, but inside it is always more difficult. However, I think they're carrying it a bit too far already. Besides, if my girlfriend had an explosive strapped to her seat, I'd tell someone!!

[geoschmo]

Yah, that Boomer thing really has to get wrapped up quickly. It's already unbelievable that the chief didn't turn her in on the spot. Unless he's a cylon too. Wouldn't that be a kick in the head? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

It's interesting how they introduced the second boomer back on Caprica. Kind of leaves open the possibility that the one that went back for her ECO is the real Boomer and the one on the Galactica the double. Of course it's more likely they are both Cylons. They haven't really explained yet whether these Cylon infiltrators are replacements for real humans that have been captured, or were Cylons that were moles to begin with.

[jeffel]

geoschmo said:
It's interesting how they introduced the second boomer back on Caprica. Kind of leaves open the possibility that the one that went back for her ECO is the real Boomer and the one on the Galactica the double. Of course it's more likely they are both Cylons. They haven't really explained yet whether these Cylon infiltrators are replacements for real humans that have been captured, or were Cylons that were moles to begin with.


I lean toward the idea that there are no human copies of the 12 cylon models.
The way she was introduced makes me darn close to certain that the Caprica Boomer is cylon. The #6 there just watched them move away. I am reasonably certain that the whole plan was to get an operative under-cover so they could slip her into the rebel ranks and destroy them from the inside.

[EvilGenius4ABetterTomorro]

Great series. I like the cinema verite' look of how it is filmed. In space there is no steadycams or tripods! Also there is no sound in space but to still make scenes exciting they still have subdued craft noises or muffled engine noises. I noticed that when the vipers launch you can hear a thud as they leave the launch tubes.
The Battlebarge Collapsica looks great too. Not pretty at all but very funtional and ...survivable.
Now just keep Boxy away from the launch bays and make sure no one get a Daggit and everything should go fine.

There are 12 Cylon models. I want the one that is stacked and can suck the dimples off a golf ball!

[Azselendor]

Keep in mind the Chief, like everyoen else - but boomer - has lost everyone he or she knows. Discovering your lover might be a cylon after the destruction of your civilization is something a person might block out or even turn a blind eye to. The Chief is msot likely realizing that she is one by now, but also fears for his own safety like Baltar feared when he found out Six was a Cylon and the colnies were under attack.

Geo, the flaw with that theory is that the First Boomer we saw was carrying survivors. The only place the switch could have happened was during the miniseries where boomer was searching for other ships. We'll have to wait to see if they try that, but I think Boomer was a cylon the whole time.

Jeffel, as for B5 looking primitive, I know I was talking more about the sets, not the CG effects being cheap and soddy looking. B5's special effects is one thing that defined it as it's own show.

Starhawk, in the original BSG, you never saw the galactica take such a move. They always appeared to be the fastest ship in the fleet and always leading it. In the new series, the Galactica appears to be travelling in the middle of the fleet or near the front of it.

[Starhawk]

Well the original BSG was a bit before my time I only remember the one where they met up with Pegasus and where they were rammed by a Cylon fighter.

[geoschmo]

Klvino [ORB] said:
Keep in mind the Chief, like everyoen else - but boomer - has lost everyone he or she knows. Discovering your lover might be a cylon after the destruction of your civilization is something a person might block out or even turn a blind eye to.

I suppose so. But would that be true even if your lover were partly responsible for you losing everyone else you know? And activly trying to finish the job, including killing you? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif
The Chief is msot likely realizing that she is one by now, but also fears for his own safety like Baltar feared when he found out Six was a Cylon and the colnies were under attack.

The difference there was that Baltar knew he would be blamed for the attack. It was his own arrogance and lust that gave the Cylons the information they used to wipe out the colonies. He has to figure that once the truth comes out he'll be spaced, or chained to a wall at best. So his ongoing deceipt is in his own personal self interest. And in his arrogance he probably thinks he'll figure out a way to turn the situation around still. Boomer didn't use her relationship with the Chief to get access to the bLasting caps. Or if she did they didn't make that clear. It seemed she was just using her own access as a member of the crew. So the chief wouldn't be on the hook for anything she did before he found out. But by covering for her now he is definetly screwing himself, and endagering the fleet.

It seems to me like they are setting this up as the Boomer/Cylon on the fleet is malfunctioning or developing a concience or something. Once she's discovered I could see them trying to "reform" her and keep her around as some sort of double agent to use against the Cylons.

[mac5732]

In regardst to Boomer, If I remember right, in the very beginning, it was stated (written on screen) that the Cylons had the new improved Version of Humans, however, I believe it also stated that some of them were unaware they were Cylons until they were activated or notified somehow. If this is true, Boomer could have been a sleeper and is now just coming to grips after all this time that she is in fact a dreaded Cylon and not a human..... hmmmmm could be interesting twist

[Starhawk]

Yeah funny thing is my Ma and Sis watch BSG and they feel soooo sorry for poor Boomer because she is so sweet and nice and is now a cylon but doesn't seem to want to be.

[Randallw]

I rented the movie and so far have watched the doco and the first 30 minutes. I think cigars and ties are anachronistic, but overall I find the realistic space fighting intriguing. That sort of highly realistic fighting, representing the flow of battle, is slightly confusing as you can't really make out everything at once, but I realise that it is a more realistic method. It appears to be like B5 though, where the set design is low key to save money for the effects (though the sets are at least believable), but I have no problem with it. I wait in anticipation for a BSG mod and the new shipsets.

[Nodachi]

Starhawk, I think you just hit on part of why the show is so compelling, you not only feel for the heroes but the villians too, or at least some of them.

I'm not sure if anyone has expressed this or not but, for any fans of the original who are not wanting to watch the new one even Richard Hatch has come to like it, and he fought it tooth and nail before production. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[geoschmo]

Richard Hatch is getting a guest starring role. From the sounds of the chacater it might be a reoccuring role.

[Atrocities]

I like the series for several reasons. I like the fact that they have Glen Larson as a creative consultant, and Richard Hatch in a re-occuring role. Very cool. Now if only they could use the original music in a few good area's, and Dirk Benidict (sp) in a guest role.

I love how they took on real problems like running out of water and fuel. I am egar to see more of the series, and hope that they also find other, newer Battlestars - say the Pegasus, survived.

The more favorable people rate the series, the more it will draw in an audiance and boast the budge. This is one series that I would like to see go longer than a year.

[Randallw]

Finshed viewing. To add to the list of anachronisms I include glasses. I keep reading of criticisms of the Presidents decisions, and this may only apply to the Mini-series, but I can't disagree with any of the decisions she made. They all seemed to make perfectly logical sense. I have one question though. I am hard of hearing so short of disturbing the whole neighbourhood I can't hear some of the dialogue. Is Starbuck the daughter of the XO?.

[geoschmo]

Randallw said:
Is Starbuck the daughter of the XO?.

I don't think so. But that would explain why they seem to hate each other so much. Would be interesting if it turned out she was and neither of them knew it yet. They haven't really established Starbuck's family history. Would be quite a shock if it turned out she was the offspring of some torrid affair Col Tigh had years ago. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

[sachmo]

Well I REALLY enjoyed it.

- I was impressed with how the show pulled me into it's mood. The relentlessness with which the Cylons attacked Galactica really sucked me in.

- I am very happy with the casting.

- I am happy that I didn't find myself trying to find reasons to justify the stupid things the characters do (like I did with 24)

- Very impressed with the set designs

- Very impressed with the combat sequences

- I can see how the series may get cheesy at points in the future, but I don't think it will be enough to turn me off completely (like 24)

Hooray for Sci-Fi!! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

[Starhawk]

Exactly I do feel for the characters, like I said the whole episode with Boomer in "Water" it's like 'That poor girl is a rook and is really fighting hard not to do anything to hurt the others." I don't know how "Sweet" she is like my Ma and Sis say but she is nice to the other crew and that kid whats his face.

I was thinkin "Oh man they better not kill her off or I'll be mad!" lol and it's true if they kill her off that'd suck since she's not evil she's just pre-programed beyond her choices.

[geoschmo]

I have a technical question. Are the exterior and combat scenes 100% CGI or are they using models at all? It's pretty impressive if it's all CGI. It has a very photo-realistic look to it. I mean, I know it's not shot on location in space or anything, but if the computer can generate ships that look like actual pLastic models and not like computer-generated plactic models, that's pretty cool. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

[Daynarr]

I think they have real sized model of Vipers. Not sure about the rest of the ships (probably Raiders as well).

[Starhawk]

They have two full sized Viper Mk2 planes and one full sized Viper Mk7, they also have a Raptor model that can fit a few people.

I think it's all CGI in the space scenes though.

[Azselendor]

It's all CGI for the space scenes. The mockups are just for bluescreen with the actors and location/set shots. I think they have one full size or partial mock-ups of the cylon fighters.

You have to wonder now if Boomer only carry out cylon commands when the cylons are present (and transmit the commands) or if she's programmed to suddenly snap one day and kill 500 people. Maybe both?

Randall, Glasses wouldn't be anachronism. It's like saying glasses are out of date today because we have contacts and lasik surgery. Adama is established as an old fuddy-dud when it comes to technology. Imagine if someone offered him artificial eyes?

Dirk Benedict would be a nice touch for a guest role. I think he's declined to have a role, but I wouldn't mind seeing him pop up as his trademark self on one of the passenger ships. Perhaps as the CAG on the Pegasus if that ship survived the attack and shows up? Ron Moore has expressed plans to revisist the original Galactica's episodes and revamp them a bit. Kobol's Last Gleaming, for example is a remake of one episode.

Other touch is the internal fire on the Galactica in the miniseries points back to an episode from the orignal series.

But a bit of trivia on the new series, Galactica was original planned to have scenes shot similar to 24 where one would see several things happening together but in different places. I can't remember what they call that type of shooting off hand, but fans of 24 will know what I'm talking about.

[Thermodyne]

Klvino [ORB] said:


You have to wonder now if Boomer only carry out cylon commands when the cylons are present (and transmit the commands) or if she's programmed to suddenly snap one day and kill 500 people. Maybe both?





She was planet side in the rain. Then became aware (came to) on the ship with the rain water still running off of her. Seems to be a little extra dimensional stuff going on.

[geoschmo]

Hey, there's a pilot shortage right? Dirk could play a grizzeled old colonial warrior dude. He could be she-Bucks mentor, the instructor from the academy that taught her how to fly hard and party harder. Bring him back for one Last go and let him go out in a blaze of glory saving the fleet. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

Of course they could find him on the planet they left him to rot on in Galactica 1980. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif

[ZeroAdunn]

Thermodyne said:

Klvino [ORB] said:


You have to wonder now if Boomer only carry out cylon commands when the cylons are present (and transmit the commands) or if she's programmed to suddenly snap one day and kill 500 people. Maybe both?





She was planet side in the rain. Then became aware (came to) on the ship with the rain water still running off of her. Seems to be a little extra dimensional stuff going on.



Actually, I am fairly certain the water was because she had been in the potable water tanks placing the explosives.

Both boomers are a cylon, I think galactica boomer is having some sort of conflict between her human programing and her sleeper agent programing, because the sleeper agent programing appears to just be designed to take over the body every once in a while and commit terrorist acts, while the human programming is supposed to be active all the time, and is designed to be a little too human, and thus doesn't want to hurt her friends and is fighting the sleeper agent programming.

[Thermodyne]

ZeroAdunn said:

Thermodyne said:

Klvino [ORB] said:


You have to wonder now if Boomer only carry out cylon commands when the cylons are present (and transmit the commands) or if she's programmed to suddenly snap one day and kill 500 people. Maybe both?







She was planet side in the rain. Then became aware (came to) on the ship with the rain water still running off of her. Seems to be a little extra dimensional stuff going on.



Actually, I am fairly certain the water was because she had been in the potable water tanks placing the explosives.

Both boomers are a cylon, I think galactica boomer is having some sort of conflict between her human programing and her sleeper agent programing, because the sleeper agent programing appears to just be designed to take over the body every once in a while and commit terrorist acts, while the human programming is supposed to be active all the time, and is designed to be a little too human, and thus doesn't want to hurt her friends and is fighting the sleeper agent programming.



Could be.

Personally, I wish they would get past all this stuff that requires me to pay attention as well as consider what is really going on, and kick some robot butt.

[EvilGenius4ABetterTomorro]

I do appreciate the Newtonian physics of space combat. You know "bodies in motion..stay in motion." I saw attitude control jets firing on some vipers, and vipers flying in one direction while firing in another.
I paid special attention to the hanger fire. The fire suits looked like they came right off a navy ship. Also the damage control talk sounded pretty authentic. Mentioning bulkheads and damage between "frame" numbers.
Absolutely hate little lights inside space helmets though.

[Azselendor]

It's better than talking skull-helmets.


Zero, you pointed to something there that might be important. We've all pretty much agreed the Boomer arc is going to come to a head sooner rather than later. What if this conflict between her Human personality vs. Cylon self results her breaking down. I'm certain she suspects herself of being a cylon.

Anyone remember in the movie AI - if you stayed awake this long - a scene where Jude Law's character with with the child robot in a city. He sees a girl and begins to move towards her because of his programming, but stops and stays with the boy instead overriding his programming with something else that wasn't expected.

[Starhawk]

Heh only question I have is How do you not notice that the woman your having sex with has a glowing spine?

I mean you'd figure he must have caught a glimpse of her in a mirror/ or tried diferrent positions? Now maybe since boomer was meant to mix with humans so closely her spine doesn't glow when she's having sex but still....whats up with them not noticing?

: Oh and what's with the reference to talking skull helmets? not familiar with that one?

[Makinus]

Starhawk said:
Heh only question I have is How do you not notice that the woman your having sex with has a glowing spine?




maybe it only glowed at that time because she was implanting something in him, and the other times it didn´t glow?

anyone wants some spoilers? i watched up to the 10th episode in the series and can answer some nagging questions (not all), but only if you really want some spoilers...

[Atrocities]

Heh only question I have is How do you not notice that the woman your having sex with has a glowing spine?



With lots and lot, and lots of practice. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

[Daynarr]

Atrocities said:


Heh only question I have is How do you not notice that the woman your having sex with has a glowing spine?



With lots and lot, and lots of practice. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif



Sounds like you are very familiar with the subject. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Atrocities]

When it comes to enjoying a nice looking womans company, O/C. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[TurinTurambar]

Starhawk said:
I was thinkin "Oh man they better not kill her off or I'll be mad!" lol and it's true if they kill her off that'd suck since she's not evil she's just pre-programed beyond her choices.



Well yeah, that, and she's the cutest chick on the show! The scene of her dripping in the locker room after sabotaging the water system was HOT!

My $0.02
Turin/threads/images/Graemlins/icon42.gif

[Starhawk]

Sorry AT but the more sex you have the more I think you'd notice the woman who's spine glowed when those other girls didn't http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif

Turin yeah I thought boomer is the hottest gal on the show too, mainly because I like girls with dark hair, as apposed to blondes or red heads http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif

[geoschmo]

Actually Starhawk, if you are enjoying yourself enough you might not notice something like a glowing spine. Heck, if she really knows what she's doing you might not notice if the roof blew off your house. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

[Starhawk]

Heh well I havn't had much personal experience in that field so I wouldn't know but still a glowing spine yeak.

Anyway, anyone notice that the Galactica has over 400 guns but not a single one seems to be aimed at killing capital sized vessels? I wonder if she has missiles or something to use against capital ships?

[solops]

Until Adama shoves the president out the airlock and declares martial law, I'm rooting for the Cylons.

[Starhawk]

LOL I like this Adama MUCH better then that stupid "Holy Wiseman" that was the original Adama I mean COME ON holy men don't often become military commanders and there's a reason for that lol.


Anyway what's wrong with the president?

[sachmo]

Starhawk said:
LOL I like this Adama MUCH better then that stupid "Holy Wiseman" that was the original Adama I mean COME ON holy men don't often become military commanders and there's a reason for that lol.


Anyway what's wrong with the president?



I beg to differ. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Azselendor]

I agree, Adama as a military commander can trump Adama as a Holyman. But the purpose of the president is clear, to serve as holyman Adama's replacement.

As for guys not noticing the glowing spines during sex... I would theorize that men... Like Baltar, have rather massive egos in that department if they notice it.

The Galactica is a Carrier in space. I would suggest her anti-capital ship weapons are based around fighter combat or something similar. As we are yet to see the Galatica knock down a cylon baseship, she may also require support combat ships like missile frigates and such.

[Raging Deadstar]

A Holy Man and a Military General are two vastly different jobs...

A Psychotic Murderous Faith Driven Psychopath however can apply for both as evidenced by the Crusades http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

Yeah, I'd think If you were having Sex with Number 6 her glowing spine would be the Last thing you'd be looking at...*ahem*

Someone had to say it...Anyway, I find myself drawn more towards starbuck

[Starhawk]

Heh I like Starbuck for her kickass nature, but I like Boomer for her niceness and her hottness, OH and her dark hair http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif #6 is better looking without the wig http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif

As for Galactica's anti-capital ship capabilities it kind of sounds like the entire Colonial fleet was 120 battlestars, they make no mention of smaller warships or support craft. Maybe she's got heavier weapons that we havn't seen yet:

Though Officially she has soemthing like 410 Defense guns and 14 main flak cannons, it makes no mention of primary batteries or missiles though we do hear Colonel Tigh and Adama talking about "Missiles bombs and munitions" so maybe we get to see missiles and main cannons later?

[Azselendor]

That's entirely possible too. There may also be others kinds of colonial craft on the galactica. One thing I'm certain she has is nukes. That one has to be a given.

[Raging Deadstar]

If I recall correctly in the Mini Series 2 parter the Cylon Basestar attacked with nuclear Missiles, or some sort of missile based weapon.

The Cannons seemed to be for shooting down Fighters and Incoming Missiles. It makes sense that the Galactica would just weather it. Either its Military Capital Ship Ordinance was stripped when it was about to be decommissioned, or perhaps they know they have a limited amount and can't use them frivolously.

[Nodachi]

The Galactica does have nuclear missiles.

It would seem that the military doctrine being used by both sides is that of air (or in this case space) superiority. I would theorize that fighters are just more cost effective than big capital ships.

[Azselendor]

Naturally it would be in space. Take a battlestar, fill it with 300 fighters and you can move it across a starsystem easier than 30 capital ships.

[Starhawk]

Actually it would be 80 fighters as they have stated they have a compliment of 4 fighter squadrons:
Red
Blue
Yellow
Green
Of 20 fighters each which means 80 fighters.

Okay the estimated total military strength of the Colonial Fleet is as follows:
120 Battlestars (confirmed)
9,600 Fighters (80 fighters per battlestar assuming the new battlestars have the same compliment as the Galactica Class)
480 Raptors (assuming 1 raptor per squadron)
Each fully manned battlestar let's say 5,000 people times 120= 600,000 persons.

All in all a small military navy for 12 worlds each with populations numbering in the billions.

[gregebowman]

Raging Deadstar said:
If I recall correctly in the Mini Series 2 parter the Cylon Basestar attacked with nuclear Missiles, or some sort of missile based weapon.

The Cannons seemed to be for shooting down Fighters and Incoming Missiles. It makes sense that the Galactica would just weather it. Either its Military Capital Ship Ordinance was stripped when it was about to be decommissioned, or perhaps they know they have a limited amount and can't use them frivolously.



For those of you who haven't bought the dvd, there is a deleted scene in which they show the Galactica dumping all of her munitions as part of her retirement. When it was a safe distance away from the ship, they blew it all up. Don't you know they must have regretted that once the war started. I think the only reason they don't have missiles is that the supply station where they resupplied must not have had any. Or not enough to blow up a Cylon baseship.

As far as Boomer, I think she's fighting her sleeping cell side, and will eventually resolve her conflict and be with the good guys. There's at least 2 of them, and I think they'll both do the same thing. Although one might have to be sacrificed. I wonder if Baltar will really work on a Cylon detection system, or just fake it like he has been doing?

I'd love to see Dirk Benedict and Richard Hatch both appear on the show. Maybe they can reprise the episode where Starbuck finds her dad (in the original episode, it was Fred Astaire). I'm still wondering why Kara is so mad at Colonel Tighe. Someone mentioned awhile back that he could be her father. It's either that, or it could be they had an affair. The reference to his wife doesn't really clear it up. It could mean that Tighe remarried after divorcing Kara's mother, and she took her name. Or it could mean that's why their affair ended, because he married someone who he wasn't supervising (that's why there's rules against fraternization).

[Azselendor]

I think that right there suggests the colonial navy has to be much larger than we thought with many more sizes of ships in additional to battlestars.

Other option is that since the galactica is an older ship, newer battlestars may have larger compliments of fighters and such.

[Starhawk]

Either that or it sugjests a different mentallity about warfare then what modern Earth humans consider to be "proper" warfare.

[Azselendor]

could be, we simply don't know enough about the structure of the galactica universe in this series.

[Makinus]

WARNING - POSSIBLE SPOILER













gregebowman said:
I wonder if Baltar will really work on a Cylon detection system, or just fake it like he has been doing?




he will create one but it have a catch: it takes (IIRC) around 9-10 hours to test the blood sample of 1 person... and only one can be tested at the same time... and only Baltar seems to know how to operate the machinery (he needs to operate himself the detector) - so with rougly 48.000 humans in the fleet you can do you own math to calculate how much time it will take to test everyone... (3 or 4 years i believe, and this without counting sleep periods for Dr. Baltar)

[Azselendor]

You mean Baltar actually works?

[Azselendor]

A gripe with the old series.

They had less than two season under thier belt for running across the stars and the civilian council of 12 were already calling it quits.

[geoschmo]

You know, the SciFi channel takes a lot of flak. And some of it is deserved. But it occurs to me that they do a pretty darn good service to science fiction fans. Look at the friday night lineup. Four straight hours of original programing. I can remember as a teenager we had one UHF station that showed star trek reruns once a week at 11PM on the and the occasional 3AM showing of the Forbidden Planet. Now we have so many shows that we have the luxury of being choosy and griping over the few that shows they produce that suck. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

[Makinus]

Anyone wtached the Darklight mini-series from Sci-Fi? i read some reviews saying it is crap... but, comparing with the BG series it is better or worse (or in the same level)?

I ask because i read reviews bad things about BG and when i watched i found it a good show (my only gripe are the scenes where the camera keeps zooming in and out at random... it makes me dizzy)

[Raging Deadstar]

Makinus said:
I ask because i read reviews bad things about BG and when i watched i found it a good show (my only gripe are the scenes where the camera keeps zooming in and out at random... it makes me dizzy)



You mean in the space scenes? I quite like that, It's a nice touch in my opinion, I also like the way they use music (mainly percussion and drums) in the titles, tense moments and space battles. It's quite original http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[EvilGenius4ABetterTomorro]

Yeah I love it too. Did you see (of course you did) that extreme zoom in of the Galactica at Ragnar station, after the FTL jump in. The huge Galactica was still small against the storm background, just beautiful photography.
I keep seeing intresting teasers from upcoming episodes. Hero doing some urban combat with cyclons. Starbuck trying to fix a messy looking (bio ship?) spacecraft. Baltar requesting a nuke? Can't wait! I love this show. DANG! I work tonight!

[VaultDweller]

EvilGenius:

Do what I do, turn on the VCR, record Galactica AND the rest of the shows. I don't have to work, but going out on Fridays keeps the significant other happy. You know how it works.

[Caduceus]

The latest episode - Richard Hatch guest-stars, which should come as no suprise if anyone has seen the opening credits. I enjoyed this episode as well. Very tense writing. I also enjoyed the two SG episodes prior. Any chance of a Replicator shipset, AT?

[sachmo]

Still happy. And I agree, Geo. Sci-fi will be complained about; it's the nature of the fanbase. In the end, I would guess that most are happy it exists, despite it's imperfections. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

[Stormwaltz]

Just a quick note for those who commented the distinctive style of the CG work. It's done by a studio called ZOIC, which first created the "handycam" style for Joss Whedon's SF series Firefly. In fact, the ship from Firefly has a cameo in the miniseries.

[Randallw]

Any chance of a Replicator shipset, AT?



I started a Replicator set for Stars! a few years ago (I don't have it anyore). They're not too difficult. Once you have made the first chip, you can build everything else with it.

[Atrocities]

I once worked with a back stabbing SOB like the Baltar character. I do hope that at some point we get to see his sinivling back stabbing *** spaced. Ohhhhh that would be sweet.

The imperfections, albeit annoying, are sufforable so long as they remain minor, and the series continues. /threads/images/graemlins/Smile.gif

Firefly was an intersting series. I liked the song they used in the lead in. To bad the series was cancelled.

[Raging Deadstar]

Atrocities said:
Firefly was an intersting series. I liked the song they used in the lead in. To bad the series was cancelled.



Not for Long! With Serenity the Movie coming out and some peoples exclamations of "It's better than the Original Star Wars!" (which i can believe) There's a lot of hope that instead of making more movies they'll attempt a second season, and there's nothing like a succesful movie to get the Dollar signs in the Executives Eyes /threads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

[sachmo]

Raging Deadstar said:

Atrocities said:
Firefly was an intersting series. I liked the song they used in the lead in. To bad the series was cancelled.



Not for Long! With Serenity the Movie coming out and some peoples exclamations of "It's better than the Original Star Wars!" (which i can believe) There's a lot of hope that instead of making more movies they'll attempt a second season, and there's nothing like a succesful movie to get the Dollar signs in the Executives Eyes <img src="/threads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" />



Would the people who proclaim it to be "better than the original Star Wars" be wearing brown coats? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

I've had to take everything I've heard about it with a grain of salt, because everything I've heard has been from fans of the show or the actors themselves. And now we have to wait until September. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif

[Atrocities]

Raging Deadstar said:

Atrocities said:
Firefly was an intersting series. I liked the song they used in the lead in. To bad the series was cancelled.



Not for Long! With Serenity the Movie coming out and some peoples exclamations of "It's better than the Original Star Wars!" (which i can believe) There's a lot of hope that instead of making more movies they'll attempt a second season, and there's nothing like a succesful movie to get the Dollar signs in the Executives Eyes <img src="/threads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" />



I recall reading a review or two that said that Riddic was the best sci-fi movie since the original Star Wars, and well, it was not.

I will reserve judgement on any movie now knowning what I know now about shaddy advertising and bought off reviews. (My fingers are crossed though - but they were also crossed for wing commander and starship troops..... and again we know how those turned out.)

[Starhawk]

GRRRRRRRRRAAAAAARRR I liked "Chronicles of Riddick" and I want them to make that third movie so keep yur gob shut about dissing it http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif lol j/k

As for that movie Serenity we can only hope it's gonna be good I suppose.

[Daynarr]

Atrocities said:
I recall reading a review or two that said that Riddic was the best sci-fi movie since the original Star Wars, and well, it was not.

I will reserve judgement on any movie now knowning what I know now about shaddy advertising and bought off reviews. (My fingers are crossed though - but they were also crossed for wing commander and starship troops..... and again we know how those turned out.)



Riddic IS the best sci-fi movie since Star Wars! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/mad.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif
It's also the movie I saw most times so far. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif

[Caduceus]

Daynarr said:
Riddic IS the best sci-fi movie since Star Wars! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/mad.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif
It's also the movie I saw most times so far. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif



We need to expand your cuisine, Daynarr http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[Azselendor]

You riddick people are nuts.

Clearly Fiddler on the Roof was the best sci-fi movie since star wars - ever.

[mac5732]

Never saw Riddick, maybe I missed something.... have to ck around.

[Suicide Junkie]

Atrocities said:
I recall reading a review or two that said that Riddic was the best sci-fi movie since the original Star Wars, and well, it was not.

I will reserve judgement on any movie now knowning what I know now about shaddy advertising and bought off reviews. (My fingers are crossed though - but they were also crossed for wing commander and starship troops..... and again we know how those turned out.)


You mean you didn't know that advertising is all "lies, damned lies and statistics" already??

[ZeroAdunn]

You know, I thoroughly enjoyed riddick. It took all these sci fi cliches (old and new) and rolled them into one batch of gimmickee goodness. I mean, the names alone drew me in, The Necromongers, The Furians, Etc... I mean, come on, how can you not love this stuff.

[Makinus]

Riddick is cool, but you can see that it was inspired in the Dune mini-series... (not the sons of dune, or the original Dune movie, but the Dune miniseries... i found it on DVD some time ago and bought it and it is a faithful rendition of the first Dune book from Frank Herbert)

[Atrocities]

Oh don't get me wrong, Riddick was a great sequal to Pitch Black which was one of the most under rated movies of year. I remember posting here about Pitch Black and recommending it to people. Riddick was a great departure from the norm and that alone made it worth seeing. However the story was convoluted and seemed more toward a video game than an actual attempt at movie making. Basically it made you take a huge leap of faith from the universe set up by pitch black to the one they showed in Riddick. In essence, the two movies are as differant from each other as Star Wars is from Ground Hog Day. The only simularity are the characters and the desire to create a franchise for Vin. (I like Vin, I think he is one of the better action / drama / talented actors to come down the pipe in many years.)

Riddick was a very stylish movie, but IMHO definatly not better than Star Wars, but worlds better than PM or AOTC.

And no, no plans for any Stargate ship sets. Although they should have made a FPS adventure game based on the series years ago. The one they have planned now is a day late and two dollars short.

[David E. Gervais]

I saw a preview of the new BSG series and it looks like Richard Hatch will be joining the cast, cool! Maybe I'll start watching it now. (Who's next? Dirk Bennedict? after all I haven't seen him since he did the A-Team, he must still be around.)

Cheers! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[geoschmo]

David E. Gervais said:
I saw a preview of the new BSG series and it looks like Richard Hatch will be joining the cast, cool! Maybe I'll start watching it now. (Who's next? Dirk Bennedict? after all I haven't seen him since he did the A-Team, he must still be around.)

Cheers! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

You know David, if you didn't spend all your time in those silly post padding threads you'd have already known about Hatch's reocurring guest role when we discussed it here a couple weeks ago. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

[Atrocities]

Episode 13 - Simply excellent. The series is getting better and better. The ending was - TOTALY UNEXPECTED.

[Nodachi]

Tell me about it! It's driving me crazy that it's the last episode of the season.

[Atrocities]

I tell you, I expected the "P" issue back on Capraca, but not what happened at the end. When that went down, it cought me off gaurd and that VERY rarely happens. The episode was very well done. It kept my intrest the entire time and that very rarely happens as well.

If this episode is any indication on what we can expect in season two, then, we have a hit folks.

[Nodachi]

From what I understand, SciFi has already ordered eight more episodes. Let's hope that they get good ratings here in the states so they'll order more!

[Atrocities]

Yes let us hope so. I mean it, this series has a lot of potential if given a chance.

[David E. Gervais]

geoschmo said:
You know David, if you didn't spend all your time in those silly post padding threads you'd have already known about Hatch's reocurring guest role when we discussed it here a couple weeks ago. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif



What?.. post padding thread? I'm innocent I say, it's not a silly thread, it's the foundation for the new cantina... wait a sec, the cantina is going to be a silly post-padding thread when it opens, so I guess your right, and it looks like we're off to a great start if even you think it's silly. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

But it's a happy thread, really, it is.

Cheers! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif

[gregebowman]

David E. Gervais said:
I saw a preview of the new BSG series and it looks like Richard Hatch will be joining the cast, cool! Maybe I'll start watching it now. (Who's next? Dirk Bennedict? after all I haven't seen him since he did the A-Team, he must still be around.)

Cheers! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif



I don't know if you saw the BSG Lowdown special, but Dirk was in it, and he didn't look in too good of a shape. I don't know if he has any health issues, but he sure did look sickly in that special. He's no longer The Face, that's for sure. Hopefully in the year or so since that was filmed, he has fared better and looks better.

As far as Richard Hatch, I know someone mentioned that he would appear in the series, but I didn't know when. When I saw the episode the other day, I was wondering why they were giving that terrorist leader such a close-up. I didn't recognize him at first. True, it's been 27 years since BSG's been out, but I just couldn't see the old Apollo in that face. Hopefully we'll see him from time to time during the length of the show.

AT, I still don't know what kind of satellite hook-up you have, but I sure wish I had it. So far in the states, they've only shown 3 episodes, and here you go seeing all 13. Don't give out any spoilers, though, as I want to be surprised as you were. Hopefully we won't have to wait a year after the season is over for the dvd to come out.

[Randallw]

I don't know if you saw the BSG Lowdown special, but Dirk was in it, and he didn't look in too good of a shape. I don't know if he has any health issues, but he sure did look sickly in that special. He's no longer The Face, that's for sure. Hopefully in the year or so since that was filmed, he has fared better and looks better.




Dirk Benedict probably looks terrible (I don't know for certain as I haven't seen a picture of him for years, except a b-grade tv movie once) because he uses a special diet. I can't say for certain that it is the same one, but he follows one of those diets like eating nothing and only drinking water for 3 weeks. He once had colon cancer and he swears the special diet got rid of it.

[Atrocities]

Actually he still looks like Dirk. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif A bit older, but still like Dirk. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif I do hope they find a guest spot for him. Perhas as the Lead cyclon design, Cyclon human model 001. Oh that would be a real gas.

[sachmo]

Atrocities said:
Actually he still looks like Dirk. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif A bit older, but still like Dirk. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif I do hope they find a guest spot for him. Perhas as the Lead cyclon design, Cyclon human model 001. Oh that would be a real gas.



I agree. He looks very much as he did when he was younger.

[Azselendor]

Dirk did a lot of promo work for the new BSG and appeared in the making-of special scifi had for the miniseries. He's aged a lot better than Hatch.

[gregebowman]

Klvino [ORB] said:
Dirk did a lot of promo work for the new BSG and appeared in the making-of special scifi had for the miniseries. He's aged a lot better than Hatch.



I must have watched a different making-of special, because the one I saw Dirk didn't look like Dirk. Of the two, I say Hatch looked better, although he looks more rugged.

I'm liking this show. It's more realistic and military oriented than the original. Also, it keeps you in suspense. and the religious overtures are missing. The only thing I can't figure out right now is why they're keeping "Helo" alive. Is it just for experimental purposes, or is something more sinister afoot? Maybe they're observing him so they can make another Cylon model. Can't wait to find out.

[tesco samoa]

i like the religious overtones on the story.

[narf poit chez BOOM]

Yeah, otherwise you've just got a bunch of people on some ships.

[Caduceus]

Latest episode - "You Can't Go Home Again" was another good episode, I thought. I liked Adama and Apollo's moment at the end - "We'd never leave."

Quite good. And the continuing military/political turf war is great.

[Captain Kwok]

I've watched the last few episodes, and it's been decent overall with some good ship scenes. However I can't seem to shake the feeling of Starship Troopers when it comes to the various pilots' storylines etc.

[geoschmo]

Other than the fact that everybodies hometowns got obliterated, I see absolutly no common themes with Starship Troopers. What are you refering to?

[Captain Kwok]

Not that there backstories are the same, but the way they look and act etc.

[Starhawk]

Hey I have a question, if the Viper MK2 is just as good as the Viper Mk 7 why retire the Mark 2? Because from what we've seen the Mk7 is and MK2 are roughly equal in taking on Cylon Fighters.

Oh and is Apollo's Mk7 the last one left on Galactica? Because to be honest I LOVE the mk 7 design.

P.S> Please no spoilers, as I'm in the states we just got "You Can't Go Home Again."

[geoschmo]

My impression from the miniseries was that the Viper VII was faster and more manuverable. So that would explain why they were replacing the Mark II's. Much of the increased performance was computer aided, which turned out to be a huge weakness when the Cylons launched their cyber attack. The surviving Mark VII's on Galactica have been retrofitted to manual controls, which explains why the Mark II's seem to do as well as the Mark VII's in combat now.

[Makinus]

one thing i would wish to know: the MK 7 were disabled by the cylons because of the heavy use of computeers in them or because the software in the computers was holed?

As we see in the miniseries, Dr. Baltar programmed all the computers used by the military, and Six inserted a lot of backdoors in the programs, so if the reason the Cylons disabled the Mk7 was because of the backdoors, maybe they can be still used if someone re-programmed the computers...

[bearclaw]

I seem to recall seeing some Mk 7's during some of the larger fight scenes. I seem to recall from somewhere in one of the episodes that they had retro-retrofitted the remaining Mk 7's so that the cylons couldn't interfere, but the reason there are so many Mk 2's is because Galactica was to become a museum ship and had all remaining Mk 2's transfered to it from the other Battlestars.

[Azselendor]

It's also why they never launch from the other side of the ship.

[gregebowman]

I think you guys are clearing up my confusion. with the Mark VII's out of action in the mini-series, Adama recalled having about 30 mark II's in the museum part of the ship. Now, last week, Apollo commented he had about 40 ships and only 20+ pilots to man them. Now, unless the chief could scratch build 10 extra ships out of thin air, I was wondering where those extra ships came from. Also, I haven't counted, but with the few scrapes they've had with the Cylons, they must have lost at least 5-6 of the Mark II's. HOw is the Galactica going to defend itself and the fleet with only a limited amount of fighters? Adama doesn't seem too concerned over this issue now, but eventually it's going to become a concern. Especially if they can't make any more fighters. Maybe there's a manafacturing ship of some sort in the fleet that can be converted to produce more, but as was mentioned in this last issue, they're running out of fuel for the ships also. Maybe they can find a source of fuel like they did water.

[Azselendor]

Hopefully SciFi makes an annoucement soon and renews Galactica for a full second season. I'm honstly really surprised that galactica had a 13-episode commitment to begin with, that's pretty impressive.

[geoschmo]

I got the impression that fuel was something that they could replenish given some amount of time, either by creating it from raw materials or collecting it from a planet maybe? The mentioned using half their fuel supply looking for Starbuck in the last episode. If that was half of the total fuel they'd ever have available to them, then the search was incompetance on a galactic scale. Something well worthy of Adama losing his command over immedietly.

On the other hand if the fuel reserve was something they could replenish in time then all he was doing was taking a chance that they'd get found and attacked by Cylons before they could build up their combat reserves again. A dangerous and risky decision, but not an insane one. That seemed to be how they were treating it.

[Makinus]

VERY MINOR SPOILER:











To replenish the fuel they need to extract it from a planet/asteroid/etc with the fuel in it.

Looks like the fuel is something like a radioactive ore that needs to be mined and refined to be used...

[tesco samoa]

hey how about a new rule of spoilers

<font color="#B7AE9F">write it in the colour of the forums which is &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; color:#B7AE9F </font>

[tesco samoa]

if you want to read my spoiler highlight my last post

[tesco samoa]

Spoiler ******


<font color="#B7AE9F ">I cannot remeber. Did Helo ( or what ever he is called ** Dude on the planet kill the blond woman ?? I cannot remember. </font>

[Captain Kwok]

Umm, that appears to be displayed as some form of yellow, which is still visible...

[narf poit chez BOOM]

Doesn't show up as the forum color to me. (Well, it wouldn't make any sense to say it shows up as the forum color, because it doesn't - show up, that is) http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

[ZeroAdunn]

In regards to galacticas shortness of vipers &amp; pilots:

I am willing to bet sometime next season they will do a remake of "The Living Legend"

The episode involved galactica meeting up with another battlestar, the pegasus, and engaging two basestars. Basicly, by the end of the episode (a two parter) Galactica had just about all of pegusus' fighters transferred and it looked like pegasus was destroyed.

The episode was one of the best of the originall series and if translated well could produce a powerfull couple of episodes.

[gregebowman]

Yeah, but who would play Commander Kain? Lloyd Bridges died a long time ago, and even if Jeff Bridges was interested, he doesn't have the bombastic personality that Lloyd seemed to have in most of his roles. Who do you think would make a good Kain? I've been thinking about this for awhile, and I still don't have a clue as to who would make a good Kain. Since everything else in the new show has been revamped, modified or modernized, I suppose that means Kain doesn't have to have the same personality. But I still can't think who would make a good Kain right now. It will interesting to see who gets cast in the role.

[Starhawk]

Possibly a woman the way things were revamped http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

But seriously Kain was cool with the personality he had, sure it got his whole crew killed and cost the fleet a second battlestar to protect them And SURE his battlestar combined with the power of Galactica could probobly have allowed them to establish a MUCH better defensive position against any future cylon attacks, but his bombastic who cares attitude was still neet. (end sarcasm)

[narf poit chez BOOM]

I might point out that his sacrific is the only thing that allowed the survival of the galactica.

[geoschmo]

If I recall corectly his sacrifice only was neccesary because his arrogance put them in a bad situation in the first place. Adama wanted to be safe and keep running but Cain talked him into attacking. Except that the baseship they were attacking turned out to be two baseships and they almost lost both battlestars. At least that's how I remember it.

[Captain Kwok]

geoschmo said:
Richard Hatch is getting a guest starring role. From the sounds of the chacater it might be a reoccuring role.

Perhaps it might be recurring if he doesn't go to jail for tax evasion. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif

[narf poit chez BOOM]

Geo: Actually, now that you mention it, I think your right.

[Makinus]

sorry about the spoiler thing...

[Makinus]

hey, my 200th post!

[Azselendor]

I believe Jeff Bridges or Beau Bridges is gonna be on Stargate as a regular in season 9. I'm not sure if they'll go that route or not. Perhaps Dirk?

[Atrocities]

gregebowman said:
Yeah, but who would play Commander Kain? Lloyd Bridges died a long time ago, and even if Jeff Bridges was interested, he doesn't have the bombastic personality that Lloyd seemed to have in most of his roles. Who do you think would make a good Kain? I've been thinking about this for awhile, and I still don't have a clue as to who would make a good Kain. Since everything else in the new show has been revamped, modified or modernized, I suppose that means Kain doesn't have to have the same personality. But I still can't think who would make a good Kain right now. It will interesting to see who gets cast in the role.



Rumor has it that there is going to be a cameo by Dirk Benidict where he plays as the legendary Commander Kain. DO NOT HOLD YOUR BREATH.

[Caduceus]

"Six Degrees" - another fine episode. I can't believe how tense and uncomfortable a well-written/tight episode can be. Not to mention that characters TAKE TIME TO HEAL!

[tesco samoa]

it just keeps getting better... should be interesting season two... as the first one ended rather quickly... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Nodachi]

Tell me about it! It's a shame that they only ordered 13 eps for this season. Last I heard they've ordered eight (so far) for the next.

[Azselendor]

Last I heard, SciFi ordered a full 20-episode season.

[Nodachi]

Oh man, I hope you heard right!!

[Kamog]

Sounds like an excellent series. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif Sometimes I wish I still had TV. I guess I'll see them once the DVD's come out...

[Randallw]

If you don't have TV, then how can you use a DVD http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/confused.gif

[Kamog]

I can watch DVD's on my computer.

Actually, I do have a TV as well, but no cable or satellite service to receive anything. I have my Playstation connected to the TV.

[Daynarr]

Kamog, you are odd dude, you know that. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[Atrocities]

Klvino [ORB] said:
Last I heard, SciFi ordered a full 20-episode season.



The series has turned out to be a ratings hit. I read on another forum that they had indeed ordered 20 episodes for next year.

And if rumors are accurate, they are in negociations with Viacom to pick up Enterprise for two seasons. (If they can reach a deal.)

GOD I HOPE THESE RUMORS ARE TRUE.

[Starhawk]

I hope to God that they pick up ENT because with Sci-Fi it'd be a big hit http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Imagine a TRUE sci-friday, Andromeda (it's in it's last season right now so by time ENT reached Sci-fi it could easily take Andromeda's spot), Enterprise, BSG, Stargate SG1- Stargate Atlantis (mmmmm drools just thinking about it)

[Atrocities]

I lost interest in Andromeda. I think it was because of the hap hazard way I have seen it. It had no set schedule in my area so I would see episodes here and there.

Its hard to follow a show like that and I can see why a show is cancelled do to poor ratings when viewing times are spread out shot gun style.

Happened to Babylon 5 in its final season, on TNT no less. TNT's schedule killed Crusaders, a very decent sequal series to B5 IMHO. And the UPN less then expected, and Lower Your Standards, handling of Enterprise has also proven this to be true. If you just lock a show into ONE time slot and do not bump it for sports or other crap, TNT, then perhaps it might blossom into a hit. Duhhhhhhhhh

[Makinus]

Andromeda was cool up to the 3rd season.... after that it became too confused to be fun... the only good thing is when Rhade becomes a new member of the crew... but the other actors looks like they don´t like the characters anymore, so the show falls flat...

And the storylines became too confused after the 3rd season, and looks like they don´t have more ideas so they just confuse the viewer with new tecnobabble every episode...

I still watch the show now and then, but i think it lost its steam...

[Atrocities]

When I watch the show I get the distinct impression that it was poorly edited. It seems to rush through the story without ever really telling the story. The viewer is left to guess and wonder what they missed. Perhaps its a DVD ploy, you know, to promote the sales of the DVD's so that people will go back and watch the show to try and pick up the peaces they missed that were never really there.

I do not want the Sci-Fi channel to get their hands on an ICON from Star Trek like Enterprise. They would dog tie the production staff, cheapen the show, do to it what they have done to Stargate SG1 and Andromeda - make them appear rushed without any dedication to acting. (In otherwords the cast are just doing a job, a job that was once fun but has been morphed into a living hell.)

They would only buy 20 episodes when Star Trek set the standard at 26. (Well 24 for these last two seasons. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif)

Does it strike any one as a bit odd that Carter went from book worm scientist in all of the previous seasons of SG1 to sex symbol this season? I mean come on she is an attractive women, but you can clearly see that she is not at all happy about being pimped out like this. She is by all rights one of the more adoptive characters to be on TV in years, for her appeal as a women, both in looks as well as in intelligiance. Amanda Tapping, (Sp) has done a brillant job with the character but now that the show is on the Sci-Fi chanel, they have altered her character in a vain and very visible attempt to make her a sex symbol. That just irks me to no end.

The episodes have seemed rushed, almost hacked together at times, with the actors looking less and less like they enjoy what they are doing. In all honestly they have the appearance of people who just want to move on in life because they are bored with what they are doing and it is coming acrossed through their acting.

I love the show, and would love to see it go on for another seven years, but in all honestly, if the actors didn't need a job, I am sure they would agree that some things should be allowed to pass into history before they become less than they were.

[Renegade 13]

I assume you're talking about season 8 of Stargate?? It's just started here (I've seen the first few episodes) and I thought it had already fallen a bit from the standard set in seasons 5-7. I could feel the difference.

[geoschmo]

The problem is that Stargate wasn't supposed to have a season 8. They had long planned, and even partially wrote the last great story arc that was going to put the exclamation point on the end of the series and launch the Atlantis series. They didn't orignally intend to run them in parallel. Sci-fi threw enough money at them though to stick around for one more season so a lot of stuff had to be rewritten in a hurry to stretch things out. I think it shows a bit in the quality, but it's still a lot more watchable then most anything else on tv.

I think the last few episodes are going to be really awesome though. Once they can get back to the final showdown with the Ga'ould that they intended for the end of season 7.

[Starhawk]

Dang AT your getting downright hostile over there lol, Sci-Fi is really not that bad I mean look at Battlestar it's a great series so far and that's a sci-fi original.

Andromeda can only be blamed on it's writers, it was going down hill even when it was still only on channel 2, they are going way too dang mystical on us, instead of just a captain trying to rebuild the commonwealth we now have a demi-god magi type character trying to save the friggin universe.....sorry but that's cheesy

That and how many times can the reformed High Guard be destroyed? They are up to 2 so far and in this last season they are stuck in one stupid star system so we aren't seeing what's happenin to the new commonwealth, and with only 6 episodes left to the series it makes me wonder how rushed the series finale is going to be.


And oh yeah Carter's not a sex symbol it's just that they finally let her have a love life outside of the SG1 which is good since she really needed to get out in the world http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[geoschmo]

If you think about it, Carter has always been a sex symbol. She was just targetted to a different audience then your typical tv sex symbol. I mean, what is more attractive to the typical geeky sci-fi fan that a cute girl that could talk for hours about quantum physics. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif

[Alneyan]

geoschmo said:
I mean, what is more attractive to the typical geeky sci-fi fan that a cute girl that could talk for hours about quantum physics. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif



Two cute girls that could talk for hours about quantum physics of course. Erh, perhaps drop the "about quantum physics" part. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[Starhawk]

geoschmo said:
If you think about it, Carter has always been a sex symbol. She was just targetted to a different audience then your typical tv sex symbol. I mean, what is more attractive to the typical geeky sci-fi fan that a cute girl that could talk for hours about quantum physics. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif



Too true, we geeky guys like smart women that are also hot http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Azselendor]

Andromeda's problem wasn't even the writers. A lot of it lay within Tribune who has the same mentality as UPN - except they cater to the Hercules/Xena types. Shows with one central character and a cheerleading squad to follow them around. At the end of season 3, Majel left the production and after writing like 11 episodes of season 3, RH Wolfe was fired for not being able to dumb down his work for the yokels as much as they wanted.

It also didn't help the show when Kevin Sorbo refused to sign the contracts unless he was given Executive Producer Status and forced Wolfe out.

The real sad part is that Andromeda had a lot more potential than anyone ever gave it. Like the Osiris Chronicles, Andromeda will forever burn in level of hell devoted to good ideas bastardized by idiot actors and executives.

Stargate, on the other hand, was supposed to wrap up in Season Sxi with a big Feature Film. That got pushed off to Season 7... then to season 7 finale which was to kick off Atlantis... then to season eight... then Bleh. They gave up on ending it or something.

Now if SciFi pics up Enterprise, It's be a great lead-off from Galactica or Lead-in for Stargate SG1. Hopefully the sets can be salvaged and the deal set soon. And I really hope Paramount decides to not demand full price for Enterprise, the licensng fees for star trek is insanely high. One could pay of the US National Debt faster!

[TurinTurambar]

Just watched "6-degrees of Seperation" episode on my Tivo last night. Damn, this show is getting good! That was a really well-done episode! Great character stuff!

Turin

[TurinTurambar]

EDIT: Deleted duplicate post(part of the posting difficulty noted in "Forum Filter?" post.)

[Randallw]

If you have realplayer you can now watch the first episode (33) on the website.

http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/

[Atrocities]

Wait until you watch the final episode of the season. That one is a real good one. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Atrocities]

BTW, the more people who watch the first episode on the above linked to sight, the more likely Sci-fi Channel is to believe that they have a hit on their hands and buy more episodes. Just a thought.

[Randallw]

I had to download realplayer and didn't have the hang yet so i was about 1 third of the way through when I disconnected. Now it won't connect again. Either my problem or every one is trying to watch it.

Edit: ahh, got it now. had to copy the address to the realbrowser

[Atrocities]

You get one shot. If you DC, your IP is listed as having already been used. When your IP resets, I will bet you will be able to watch again. It is a good episode BTW.

[TurinTurambar]

Umm.. actually... I'd have to say they're ALL good. I've been enjoying each one more than the last, but I'd say that's just me "getting to know the characters."

A good testament to a good ensemble cast situation.

Turin

[gregebowman]

AT, I still want to know what kind of satellite system you have that lets you see a series before the rest of us here in the States can see it. I have DirecTV, and they're not showing BSG ahead of what Sci-Fi is showing. I hope that rumor of 20 new episodes is true. This is a great show, and you can't help getting sucked into the storyline.

As far as Stargate, I've watched a few episodes, or parts of one, over the years. But ever since I read somewhere that the original creators of Stargate wanted to do a trilogy but since Showtime got the rights to do the series, they couldn't do it. Personally, I'd rather have had them do a trilogy of films, then they could have done a series. I could have lived with that. But when I try to watch Stargate SG1, I can only think of what could have been. It may seem strange to some, but that's my opinion.

I hope someone picks up Enterprise. Maybe if Sci-Fi does pick it up, and shows it after BSG, I can finally watch it. I missed most of 3rd season, and the only episode I've seen in season 4 was when Brent Spiner appeared. Unfortunately, I missed part 2 of that one. When the dvd's come out, I'll have to buy them to see what I've missed.

[Suicide Junkie]

gregebowman said:
AT, I still want to know what kind of satellite system you have that lets you see a series before the rest of us here in the States can see it.

Its not the satellite system, he's got one of those Tivos to record the shows, and timeshift his viewing.
He's just hacked it to accept negative numbers http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[Atrocities]

No Comment.

[Emperor Fritsch the Dense]

I dont know, ive been watching it since it came out here in the states and the only episode i REALLY liked was 33. Now that episode built up the story very well. The rest i watched and i didnt feel like my time was wasted but.....i was hoping for more action. I hope they pick up the action and make alot more, there is not enough SciFi shows on TV and that makes me want to cry IRL.

[Makinus]

you can download it with a p2p program (and a very good connection), as all the series is already floating around in the net...

Did you know that anything aired in the open TV can be legally copied according to the laws of some countries? Brazil is one of these countries, so anything that was already aired in open TV (even it it was not a brazilian open tv) can be freely downloaded from the net and is perfectly legal (at least if you live in Brazil and some other countries), you can not ditribute it (that would be illegal), but you can download and watch it yourself without breaking any law, and you can keep copies of it for personal use and they are perfectly legal...

now i only need a good connection........

[geoschmo]

Makinus said:
Did you know that anything aired in the open TV can be legally copied according to the laws of some countries? Brazil is one of these countries, so anything that was already aired in open TV (even it it was not a brazilian open tv) can be freely downloaded from the net and is perfectly legal (at least if you live in Brazil and some other countries)


Two points about this. First, they are talkign about watching episodes before they've been broadcast. You can do that obviously if you can find it somewhere on the net, but I'm not sure it's legal even in Brazil. I've never heard of anyone gettign in trouble for watching shows off the net after they've been broadcast. Although these days with dvd sales it might be something they'd crack down on.

Second, you might want to make certain that that law applies to shows that are only available on cable television. BG is on Scifi which is a cable only network. It's not broadcast over the air, so the law may not apply.

[Nodachi]

It was broadcast. SkyOne in GB got it before SciFi aired it.

[Aris_Sung]

This show just keeps on getting more and more interesting. It's great! And I'm glad that there is good character development. Makes the characters so much more real to me that you can almost sympathize with them...until you realize it's a TV show http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif
Hope they keep up the great story writing.

BTW, has anyone noticed that at the end of the credits those two cartoon characters always keep on fighting in new ways and take turns getting beat up/killed.

[Makinus]

Nodachi said:
It was broadcast. SkyOne in GB got it before SciFi aired it.



So this would make it legal to be copied in Brazil.... as about cable tv, the law don´t allow copying of anything that is show in it, it is only legal if it was broadcast in "open tv" and cable tv is not "open tv"...

And as i stated earlier, you can only copy it for your personal use, distributing it will still be illegal, so, while theperson that copies the show for personal use is legal, but the source from that person copied from is illegal... (strange isn´t it? laws sometimes don´t make any sense)

[Caduceus]

Aris_Sung said:
BTW, has anyone noticed that at the end of the credits those two cartoon characters always keep on fighting in new ways and take turns getting beat up/killed.



I haven't researched it, but that is a "vanity card" as it is called in the biz, which is usually the Paramount mountain, or MGM Lion roar or whatever production company. Those are likely to be the executive producers who apparently have more money than sense and have a rotating set of vanity cards.

[gregebowman]

Aris_Sung said:
This show just keeps on getting more and more interesting. It's great! And I'm glad that there is good character development. Makes the characters so much more real to me that you can almost sympathize with them...until you realize it's a TV show http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif
Hope they keep up the great story writing.

BTW, has anyone noticed that at the end of the credits those two cartoon characters always keep on fighting in new ways and take turns getting beat up/killed.



Amen to that. I just keep getting involved and want to know how each character is surviving. The only thing that's really missing is some slam-bam action. It looks like what they're trying to do in the first season is character development, then hopefully in the next season we'll see more action and survival situations. The only thing that bugs me about this show is Baltar and Number 6. Either have her appear in person, which she can't now since she accused Baltar of blowing up the defense computers, or show Baltar's genius at work without the distraction of having Number 6 in his mind. Don't get me wrong. I like looking at Tricia Helfer, especially when she's tantalizing Baltar. I just don't like what they're doing with her. And now that he admitted to her that he'll make sure everyone passes as human on his test, and we don't know the status of Tigh's wife, it leaves some ambiguity as to his motive to help Adama and the president. Eventually, this might blow up in his face, if Sharon or someone other unknown model who's been tested does some sabotage. I guess we'll have to wait and see, since not everyone has Skyone http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Randallw]

I had this idea, don't know if it will panout. I know Adama said that Earth was just made up, but they have to be going somewhere. I have this idea that after a few seasons they will discover the Earth Empire which has massive fleets easily able to wipe out cylon ships. What about it?

[Atrocities]

God I hope they do something better than they did when the original BSG met earth.

I think the whole point will be that Earth is the catallust for "restarting" everything each time. OOOOPS Spoiler!

[Azselendor]

Personally, I'd like the series to end with them finding out Earth is real, but they don't reach it. They just find a course or a heading, hell, Voyager 6 http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[Azselendor]

forgot to add:

Actually, the UK network went in 50/50 with scifi for the first season. As part of the contract, they get to air in the UK first.

But don't worry, I hear the QBotG running scifi made sure that clause was removed for season two. No more proper english pirating

[Captain Kwok]

Atrocities said:
God I hope they do something better than they did when the original BSG met earth.

Are those the episodes with the super kids, camping supplies, and the fancy motorbikes? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/eek.gif

[Atrocities]

Captain Kwok said:

Atrocities said:
God I hope they do something better than they did when the original BSG met earth.

Are those the episodes with the super kids, camping supplies, and the fancy motorbikes? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/eek.gif



Yup.. OMG they were so embarrassing to watch.

In the original series there was an episode where they picked up a radio signal from earth of the first lunar landing. Now I am not expert, but if that signal was picked up by the Galactica, albeit no one saw it, at their location, some many million light years from earth, then wouldn't it have taken that radio signal a fricking eon or so to get there? So by all rights the earth year should not have been 1981, some 11 years since the lunar landing, shouldn't have been something like 3481?

Even at light speed the fleet would not have reached earth for hundreds of years thus again proving my point. That if earth's technology was 1969 era at the time the cylons destroyed the twelve colonies, then by the time the rage tage fleet reached earth, earths technology should have been VASTLY superior to theirs. I guess they found a worm hole or something that cut the distance down by a few eons.

[Randallw]

I remember that episode. They thought it must be a patrol ship, not practically the first interplanetary ship. While talking about BSG:TOS. As a child I had one of those Battlestar launch toys. The ones where you pull the trigger and the rubberbands fire off rubber vipers. Haven't seen mine since I replaced the rubber bands with stronger ones and used it to fire darts at the fence. My mother confiscated it when she saw the darts being embedded in the fence http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif.

[Atrocities]

I had one of those as well. Hell I even have a couple of those cylon raiders that fire the plastic bullet along with a couple cylon figures.

[Azselendor]

didn't they get a bunch of bad press and those thigs were pulled because some 4 year old shot out his eyes

[Azselendor]

The hitler broadcast would have been better in there, and if they had seen, all the better. Imagine the response once they translate and think humanity is a bunch of facists.

[gregebowman]

By the time that the original BSG came out, I was about 15, and all those action figures didn't interest me. I'm still kicking my butt for getting rid of all of my GI Joes when I turned 13. So I didn't collect a gold mine of Star Wars action figures either. If I had only known.....

Back to the new series. I hope this last episode they aired wasn't the season finale. SPOILER ALERT: I mean, they can't just stop it with Adama getting shot by Boomer and leave it at that, not without Starbuck coming back with the arrow. The trailer looked a new episode was coming out friday, but I thought that BSG was getting a 2 episode finale like STG Alantis was getting. I'll have to watch it and see, I guess.

[sachmo]

gregebowman said:
By the time that the original BSG came out, I was about 15, and all those action figures didn't interest me. I'm still kicking my butt for getting rid of all of my GI Joes when I turned 13. So I didn't collect a gold mine of Star Wars action figures either. If I had only known.....

Back to the new series. I hope this last episode they aired wasn't the season finale. SPOILER ALERT: I mean, they can't just stop it with Adama getting shot by Boomer and leave it at that, not without Starbuck coming back with the arrow. The trailer looked a new episode was coming out friday, but I thought that BSG was getting a 2 episode finale like STG Alantis was getting. I'll have to watch it and see, I guess.



My understanding is that this past episode was the season finale. The good news is that the new shows should be ready in July! whoot!

[Azselendor]

It is the Season Finale. It was written that way to leave enough strings for next season or end the series there if that she-wolf Nazi at SciFi refused to renew it.

I loved the finale. Except for the part with Baltar. I think he should have been getting busy right there on Kobol.

[TurinTurambar]

Klvino [ORB] said:
didn't they get a bunch of bad press and those thigs were pulled because some 4 year old shot out his eyes



I got one of those Cylon Raiders for my birthday not more than a couple months after that incident. It came out of the box with NO MISSILES! Can you believe that crap?! I was SOOO pissed!

/threads/images/Graemlins/Dagger.gifTurin/threads/images/Graemlins/icon42.gif

[gregebowman]

Well, since they had "33" on Friday night, I guess the last episode I saw was the finale. Well, if I can wait 3 years for Episode 3 of Star Wars, I can wait 3 months for BSG season 2. I wonder what the fates of both Sharons will be? Can you imagine what a human/cyborg offsping will be like?

[Renegade 13]

****IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN THE SEASON FINALE, DON'T READ****







I must say the ending of the season finale surprised me. I didn't expect Sharon to shoot Adama...it's not often shows can surprise me. And what's going on with Baltar? Has he totally lost it?

[Starhawk]

gregebowman said:
Well, since they had "33" on Friday night, I guess the last episode I saw was the finale. Well, if I can wait 3 years for Episode 3 of Star Wars, I can wait 3 months for BSG season 2. I wonder what the fates of both Sharons will be? Can you imagine what a human/cyborg offsping will be like?



SPOILER ALERT SPOILER ALERT!!!!!!!

Well the Sharon that shot Adama is probobly going to be hung/spaced/shot whatever unfortunately because she tried to (and for all we know succeeded in) kill commander Adama and that would get yah shot in any military anywhere.

The pregger boomer is probobly going to be spared just for the fact that she's preggers I mean she'd probobly be shot afterwards (I'm sorry but I would shoot her) because she's waaaaay to big a security risk, the kid would probobly be kept for study (cept of course that these are the same guys who wrote star trek so odds are the kid will be spared and raised up to be a proper citizen of humanity).

And if all goes well my "Sharon" copy will be coming in tuesday and I can find out why they call her "Boomer" LOL http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif........note: sorry for such an immature joke but it's 5:09 am here and I'm tired and bored.