Hey Atrocities! :) 2 questions

[Starhawk]

Hey AT I have 2 questions for yah and I hope both are Yes http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Anyway Question 1:
You've made soooo many trek shipsets that it's just impressive I tell you! BUT one thing you've never done, How about you make a Terran Empire shipset!!! This way we can all play in the "evil" universe when we get our trek shipsets together in a game http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Question 2:
The reason I'm asking this in public is so that if it's a yes everyone will get to check it out, could you host my Icaran and Anderman shipsets on your web site?

[Atrocities]

Starhawk said:
Hey AT I have 2 questions for yah and I hope both are Yes http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Anyway Question 1:
You've made soooo many trek shipsets that it's just impressive I tell you! BUT one thing you've never done, How about you make a Terran Empire shipset!!! This way we can all play in the "evil" universe when we get our trek shipsets together in a game http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif



I have kicked it around for sometime, but never really saw a need to make a seperate ship set for this when any one could make one out of the existing sets that are now available.



Question 2:
The reason I'm asking this in public is so that if it's a yes everyone will get to check it out, could you host my Icaran and Anderman shipsets on your web site?



I would be happy to host them, but to be honest Spaceempire.net is a far better selection since that site is souly dedicated to Space Empires and hosts other sets.

[Starhawk]

A.
Terran Empire ships have a different paint job actually http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif so it's not as easy as one would think....
Here's a few screenies of what mean: http://www.stguardian.to/fed/nx01/mirrornx.jpg

This is a common paint scheme as the other Terran Empire starfleet ships seen or the wreckege thereof have yellow paint schemes on their hulls.

If you need images of other ships that were seen as Terran Empire:

Ship 1:
http://www.stguardian.to/fed/starships/earthshiptwilighttype2g.jpg

Ship 2:
http://www.bravofleet.com/avalon/nx_era_specs/starship-venus.htm

Except of course they had the yellow paint jobs similar to that of the ISS enterprise.

Anyhoo the only reason the ORIGINAl ISS Enterpise (I.E TOS era) was not given the paint job the crew wanted was because they were waaay to cheap back then.
Originally the "ISS" enterprise from TOS was supposed to have a similar "Dagger through Earth" on the foward hull and a darker paint scheme with more flared highlights to make it look different.

[NullAshton]

I really like the Terran Empire, they should make an entire season based on it.

[Atrocities]

I will see what I can do Starhawk. Give me a few days. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Starhawk]

GRrrreeeeaat looking forward to it http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[luke_slovakian]

Hey at i know u use like a program that starts with G to do ships, i know u can't get it because u have to go to jappenise sight so possibly can u send it to me over msn? Boarder22lb@hotmail.com if u want to:-d

[Kana]

Actually the program is called Doga, and I'm sure if you search the forums you will find a link for it, or possibly AT will post the link for you here...

Kana

[Atrocities]

http://www.doga.co.jp/english/

There are extra downloads and such so ask Todd Z. in the forum at this site about where you can download them from.

Also do a search, I posted a lot of good info on the program here on the boards some time ago.

You will want DOGA L3 version - also be sure to register it to get the full benefit of the program and to help support newer versions.

[Atrocities]

How do these look?

http://www.astempire.net/display/stmirror/mirrorenterprise.PNGhttp://www.astempire.net/display/stmirror/mirrorenterprisemini.PNG
http://www.astempire.net/display/stmirror/mirrorship1.PNGhttp://www.astempire.net/display/stmirror/mirrorship1mini.PNG
http://www.astempire.net/display/stmirror/mirrorship2.PNGhttp://www.astempire.net/display/stmirror/mirrorship2mini.PNG

[Atrocities]

http://www.astempire.net/display/stmirror/mirrorfleet.PNG

[Starhawk]

Evil empire MUAHAHAHAHAHA! Looks good to me http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif
Don't forget the triangular ship I love that ship it's primitive looking yet at the same time really cool!

[Randallw]

I actually plan to make Terran Empire ships for SE5. I'm lazy and couldn't be bothered making them for SE4 if I would be soon doing SE5. I have schematics from a website for all the known Terran empire ships (albeit most of them are made up, considering the dearth of information)

[Atrocities]

That would be sweat Randallw. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

I don't know if I am going to make ship sets for SEV or not. Right now I am very discouraged with the idea of doing so and well, if others are going to be making them, why should I try to re-invent the wheel so to speak? Like with Star Fury, the polygon count has to be kept very low, so most of the detail has to be in the textures. Something that I am not good at... yet.

[Starhawk]

Randallw said:
I actually plan to make Terran Empire ships for SE5. I'm lazy and couldn't be bothered making them for SE4 if I would be soon doing SE5. I have schematics from a website for all the known Terran empire ships (albeit most of them are made up, considering the dearth of information)



Okay I NEED to know where that website is! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif please post a link or PM me.

[Randallw]

here ya go

http://www.shipschematics.net/cgi-bin/startrek/others.cgi

What interest me most are the galaxy conquest and inter-universal classes.

[Starhawk]

Too bad none of em are in color http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif Although I know it sounds lame but it still pisses me of the way DS9 just nulled the Terran Empire and replaced it with the "everyone's a lesbian" "Alliance" gaaag!

[El_Phil]

Now I know I missed quite a few DS9s, mainly due to the pub calling me, so it's possible I missed it. But I am damned sure I would have remember the lesbian alliance if I had seen/heard of it.

It just sounds a bewitching concept, only slight below Red Dwarfs 'Planet of the nymphomaniacs' (Although they do nacker you out eventually. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif)

[Starhawk]

Okay it was the "Klingon Cardassian Bajoran Alliance" but the way they made everything "mirror" was:

Turn Kira into a Lesbian
Turn Dax Into A Lesbian
Trun Dax 2 into a Lesbian
Turn Leeta into a Lesbian
Turn Garak into a gay guy
Turn Worf gay
Turn Bashier even MORE british!

[El_Phil]

Well being even more British is never a bad thing. Huzzah!

It is ringing vauge bells though.

[Starhawk]

No I mean they had him blow his accent all out of proportions so it went from subtle to "'Ello Guv car fur a shawg" type thing.

[El_Phil]

And what's wrong with that?

[Starhawk]

They used it to show how "Degenerated" the other Universe was so in a sense they showed that "if you have a heavy british accent your a peasent" sort of thing lol.

[El_Phil]

Ahhh so having a decent accent and the ability to spell properly makes things degenerate? I'll make a note of that. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

[Randallw]

Starhawk said:
Too bad none of em are in color http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif Although I know it sounds lame but it still pisses me of the way DS9 just nulled the Terran Empire and replaced it with the "everyone's a lesbian" "Alliance" gaaag!



The way I look at it the DS9 one is a slightly different Alternate universe where a slightly alternate kirk visited. Thus the DS9 people aren't interacting with the universe their Kirk visited but a different one. I actually hunted down a copy of "Dark Mirror" to find some of the background fluff (or at least one authors view of it)

[Atrocities]

Starhawk said:
Okay it was the "Klingon Cardassian Bajoran Alliance" but the way they made everything "mirror" was:

Turn Kira into a Lesbian
Turn Dax Into A Lesbian
Trun Dax 2 into a Lesbian
Turn Leeta into a Lesbian
Turn Garak into a gay guy
Turn Worf gay
Turn Bashier even MORE british!



ROFLMAO - And made the Empire into a a bunch of weak arse slaves.

Sisko got to sleep with Dax
Dax got to sleep with Bashir
Kira got to sleep with sisko
Sisko got to sleep with Garak

They really did ruin the mirror universe.

[Atrocities]

El_Phil said:
Ahhh so having a decent accent and the ability to spell properly makes things degenerate? I'll make a note of that. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif



Ya, and y'all remember too that whocked oon fonikis wirkied four mea!

[Atrocities]

Hows this color and yes, more ships:

http://www.astempire.net/display/stmirror/mirrorship3.PNGhttp://www.astempire.net/display/stmirror/mirrorship3mini.PNG
http://www.astempire.net/display/stmirror/mirrorship1.PNGhttp://www.astempire.net/display/stmirror/mirrorship1mini.PNG
http://www.astempire.net/display/stmirror/mirrorship2.PNGhttp://www.astempire.net/display/stmirror/mirrorship2mini.PNG

[Atrocities]

Which of the wedge shaped ships do you like the best?

http://www.astempire.net/display/stmirror/mirrorship4.PNGhttp://www.astempire.net/display/stmirror/mirrorship4mini.PNG
http://www.astempire.net/display/stmirror/mirrorship4a.PNGhttp://www.astempire.net/display/stmirror/mirrorship4amini.PNG
http://www.astempire.net/display/stmirror/mirrorship5.PNGhttp://www.astempire.net/display/stmirror/mirrorship5mini.PNG

[Starhawk]

AT you ROCK! the color's great!

The Wedge #1 is the way it was in the Series so I guess that one is the best to stick with http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Atrocities]

Thanks.. Fixed the ship mix up thing so they all display now.

When the ships are rendered as mini's they will not show the detail all that well.

How far do you want me to take this? I can make an entire set + neo - standard, but that might mean I will need to include some TOS ships as well like the Enterprise 1701 and such.

If that is ok then I will do so.

[Starhawk]

Well I'd love to see a full shipset but that's always been up to you http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

As far as TOS ships go actually you'd have Pre-Tos like the good Ol' Daedelus class and the predecessor to the Connies like the Soyuz and Miranda classes.

But that would be okay as well seeing a Connie as a Dreadnought!!! muahahaha

[Atrocities]

What the hell is a Connie???

Here are pre-tos versions of the Constitution and Federation classes ships.

http://www.astempire.net/display/stmirror/mirrorship6.PNGhttp://www.astempire.net/display/stmirror/mirrorship6mini.PNG
http://www.astempire.net/display/stmirror/mirrorship6a.PNGhttp://www.astempire.net/display/stmirror/mirrorship6amini.PNG

[Starhawk]

Connie=Constitution lol just like the old US warship named USS Constitution her crew just called her "The Connie" it stuck through Star Trek http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif

Or like ships named Saratoga have always been called "Sarah" by their crews!

[Atrocities]

http://www.astempire.net/display/stmirror/mirrorfleet2.PNG

[Atrocities]

The thing is, aside from you, there is no other interest that I can see for this ship set. Lets face it, my last four federation sets were not well received. I will toy around with this one for a while. (Offically I am not making new sets for SEIV, so this will have to be an expanded set for use with STM - Offically if ever completed)

I still have five sets finished but not yet released that were for the contest last year. I am waiting on the winner to choose his set so I can release them.

[narf poit chez BOOM]

It's pretty. It's just that there's so many Federation ship sets and they all kinda look alike.

Sorry.

[Fyron]

Atrocities said:
The thing is, aside from you, there is no other interest that I can see for this ship set. Lets face it, my last four federation sets were not well received. I will toy around with this one for a while.

Who did not receive them well? Keep in mind there are far fewer active players around these days...

[El_Phil]

And as Narf said you can barely throw a brick without hitting a Feddie ship set, really variable quality of course, but there are still loads of them.

Working up enthusiasm for a recoloured and slighty remodeled feddie ships set is tricky, although they do look excellent. Sorry.

[Atrocities]

Yes, picking one to use is difficult given there are so many.

"Fewer active players..." - What a shame.

I would love to see SEIV get an infusion of support perhaps a new patch or even more new players would be nice. But the chances for either are rapidly dwindling.

[kerensky]

Atrocities said:
Yes, picking one to use is difficult given there are so many.

"Fewer active players..." - What a shame.

I would love to see SEIV get an infusion of support perhaps a new patch or even more new players would be nice. But the chances for either are rapidly dwindling.



And now to steal the thread...

Maybe that's why Malfador went mainstream in their marketing stream, because of the dwindling palyers...

[Fyron]

The player base for every game dwindles 4-5 years after its release.

[narf poit chez BOOM]

Unless the game is called 'Half-Life'.

Then it dwindles after the sequel.

[Atrocities]

You know a lot of mainstream game developers could learn a great lesson from this. If the game is great, hold off on a sequil for five or so years and maximize the games potential before torpedeoing its success with a crappy *** sequil a year or two after its release.

[Atrocities]

http://www.astempire.net/display/stmirror/mirrorship8.PNGhttp://www.astempire.net/display/stmirror/mirrorship9.PNG
http://www.astempire.net/display/stmirror/mirrorship10.PNGhttp://www.astempire.net/display/stmirror/mirrorship11.PNG

[Starhawk]

I like it http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[El_Phil]

I do like the orange glow on the nacelles. As for the rest, well its your standard excellent AT shipset. Nothing new to see here http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

[narf poit chez BOOM]

Yup, pretty.

[TerranC]

El_Phil said:Nothing new to see here http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif



Now you've done it. He's going to spam us with 20 new original shipsets just so you'll retract this particular statement of yours. Happy? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[El_Phil]

Yes. Completely new shipsets are a good thing! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

[Ran-Taro]

Atrocities,

Aaron Hall should weep a well of tears if you don't make many ship sets for SEV.

Your ship sets are fantastic, and make the game much better to play.

[Atrocities]

Some more works in progress.

http://www.astempire.net/display/stmirror/excelsior.PNGhttp://www.astempire.net/display/stmirror/fleet4.PNG
http://www.astempire.net/display/stmirror/mirrortmpbs.PNGhttp://www.astempire.net/display/stmirror/mirrortmpbsmini.PNG
http://www.astempire.net/display/stmirror/mirrortmpdn.PNGhttp://www.astempire.net/display/stmirror/mirrortmpdnmini.PNG
http://www.astempire.net/display/stmirror/mirrortmpjn.PNGhttp://www.astempire.net/display/stmirror/mirrortmpjnmini.PNG

[Atrocities]

http://www.astempire.net/display/stmirror/mirrortmpfleet.PNG

[El_Phil]

Four nacelles. Clearly just showing off...

Perfect for an intimidating fleet flagship!

[narf poit chez BOOM]

And of course, pretty. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif