OT - Star Wars Ep III

[spoon]

I got to see this movie last weekend (gloat gloat), and I have to say, it is on par with episodes IV (A New Hope) and V (Empire Strikes Back). If ep's 1 and 2 scared you away, you might want to reconsider for this one.

Now, I am going to say something shocking, and it may just be my giddiness speaking, and maybe my opinion will change in a few months, but here it goes:

Ep III is now my favorite movie of the entire series.

It's that good. Go see it!

(disclaimer: Going to see this movie makes my employer wealthier http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif )

[Ragnarok]

I cannot wait to see this movie myself. Just from the previews I cannot help but think that it will become one of the better movies in the series. I think this is what we all have been waiting for as Star Wars fans. Hearing your opinions only reinforce my thoughts.

BTW, I am friggin' jealous of you now. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif /threads/images/Graemlins/Envy.gif

[David E. Gervais]

Hey Spoon, did you happen to see that screening at Skywalker Ranch? I know someone who spent a week there as a guest. Got to see all the goodies and even had lunch with Mr Lucas. I won't say I'm jealous, but visiting Skywalker Ranch would be the equivalent of a dream vacation to me. Who needs Disneyland or Epcott Center. Put up a Glass wall on one side of ILM and let the hordes of fans get a peek inside http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

I know I'm going to like the movie, because I liked them all. the only down side was Jar Jar, but he's easy to ignore after seeing the film a few dozen times.

Cheers! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[tesco samoa]

its gonna suck. and I am going to be there complaining on the first day... then a few days later with the wife... and maybe one more time... but i will hate it each time out of principal. It is the logical way to watch it from a trek fans point of view http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[narf poit chez BOOM]

I might actually see it.

[Renegade 13]

I've heard it's supposed to be "darker" than 1 and 2...lets hope so, the darker the better.

Tesco, I'm with you. Us Trek fans have to hate it on principle. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif

[geoschmo]

Can't wait. We are thinking about driving an hour to Columbus to watch it. We heard they have a theatre there showing it on a 65 foot screen in all it's digital glory. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

Hey by the way, I'm a little bummed hearing Lucas say this is the last of the Star Wars movies. I distinctly remember back when the original came out Lucas saying that there were actually supposed to be nine movies in the saga. This was before Episode I came out, back around when Empire came out if I recall correctly. There was going to be the three prequels and then another set of three that took place after the Return of the Jedi. Now he says these six are all there are going to be and all there ever were going to be. Is this my mind playing tricks on me or another case of Lucas changing the past to fit what his current view is?

[Fyron]

More of good 'ole Lucas revisionism.

[Slick]

Nope, Geo, you are remembering it right. But Lucas did say emphatically that there will be no more Star Wars movies after III.

[douglas]

With all the books published and officially recognized as canon, he'd just about have to either use the plot of an existing book trilogy, skip several very eventful decades, or cover a drastically less important/more obscure plotline than anything in the first six movies in order to make a sequel trilogy. If he ever did have an outline for movies 7-9, either it's already been published in a trilogy of novels or it flatly contradicts a substantial amount of now-official canon.

[Slick]

A long time ago, I had read the Han Solo series, so recently I got the urge again and I thought I'd start reading some other Star Wars books. I did a search http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/shock.gif There's like a million books. I was totally intimidated. I even found a website that recommended a certain order to read all the books, although they all aren't supposed to be exactly sequential.


edit: recognize my avatar???

[Fyron]

Slick said:
edit: recognize my avatar???

Whomeever could that be? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/confused.gif

[narf poit chez BOOM]

It's Mr. Really Tiny Head Guy!

[General Woundwort]

recognize my avatar???



I've got it! I've got it!

Young Indiana Jones! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[geoschmo]

douglas said:
With all the books published and officially recognized as canon, he'd just about have to either use the plot of an existing book trilogy, skip several very eventful decades, or cover a drastically less important/more obscure plotline than anything in the first six movies in order to make a sequel trilogy. If he ever did have an outline for movies 7-9, either it's already been published in a trilogy of novels or it flatly contradicts a substantial amount of now-official canon.

That wouldn't stop him. Nothing says he can't have a later movie script that contradicts things in some of those books. I am sure the people that write and read those books take them much more seriously then Lucas does. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[deccan]

geoschmo said:
That wouldn't stop him. Nothing says he can't have a later movie script that contradicts things in some of those books. I am sure the people that write and read those books take them much more seriously then Lucas does. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif



Yeah, sometimes it seems that Lucas doesn't even take the Original Trilogy as canon, given the way he keeps changing things in them.

[Atrocities]

Given the story line, and the pre-reviews, I hold no breath for this moving being anything other than sucky. I therefore - "will go and spend my $10.00 to see it just like all of the other geeks, dweebs, nerds, morons, fools, and fanatical sci-fi freaks." - Jimmy Kenel (?)

So help me God if this movie sucks, I will never go see another Star Wars movie in the theater again. (Duh)

[Captain Kwok]

I'm just looking forward to the orbital battle over Corsucant.

I could probably care less about the finer details. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif

[NullAshton]

You know, theres a big area before the movies that are void of books or anything like that. Movie about the origin of the jedi, anyone?

[Will]

Dude, you're forgetting something. In this one, that whiny little ***** Anakin finally sucks it up and KILLS EVERYONE. That includes all the little kids at the academy. Not only that, but from what I've heard, in the Obi-wan v. Anakin fight, good old Ben does the right and proper Jedi thing. He cuts off Anakin's remaining limbs (he already lost the arm, remember?), then leaves him to die by the side of a river of lava.

In the originals, everyone loved (well, hated...) Vader because he was, to borrow from Sam Jackson AKA Mace Windu, one badass mother****er. He was a great villan, and now we get to see the whiny little kid turn into THAT. Lucas tried to make villans to match Vader in Eps. VI, I, and II (the Emperor, Darth Maul, and Count Dooku). He only really marginally succeeded with Ep II, IMO, and only because it's friggin Christopher Lee, and he can pull of a good villan.

Sure, the effects should be pretty, and I'll probably watch a few times to see those, but what I really want to see is the Dark Side.

[Atrocities]

I am just looking forward to the 30 minutes of commericals before the 90 minute video game promo movie.

[Kamog]

I'm going to see it on opening night. I am taking that day off work and I'm going to buy the ticket ahead of time. I don't care about long lineups or crowds, I've waited three years for this movie and I'm going to see it the first night it comes out! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Kamog]

Today I bought my ticket for Revenge of the Sith. The showing will be at 12:01 am tomorrow night (technically it's May 19th). I'll make sure that I get to the theatre at least two hours early. I can't wait! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Sivran]

Anakin sucked because Hayden Christensen sucks. Hell, he makes Luke look fuggin' bad-*** by comparison.

Was Mark Hamill a "relative unknown" before Star Wars? I remember a rumor that Lucas wanted "a relative unknown" to play Anakin. I speculate that this may be because Star Wars pretty much ruined Mark Hamill, and Mark's apparently been bitter about it.

[Strategia_In_Ultima]

Slick said:
Nope, Geo, you are remembering it right. But Lucas did say emphatically that there will be no more Star Wars movies after III.



Yes there will be.

Eps IV, V and VI.

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif



No, really. I've read the story outline on Wikipedia and I've browsed through an EpIII vehicle cross-section book in a bookstore, so I want to see it, even simply to see Hayden F***headsen turn into Vader.

Plus, there were two posters advertising EpIII in Stockholm's Central Station, on the way to the train. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[Randallw]

Sivran said:
I speculate that this may be because Star Wars pretty much ruined Mark Hamill, and Mark's apparently been bitter about it.



Mark Hamill isn't at all bitter. He's got a good career doing voice overs these days and is very supportive of whatever GL does with Star Wars.

[tesco samoa]

going friday and sunday.... no doubt that will be 5 hours of my life i will never get back http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Ragnarok]

I am going Friday night. A friend is picking up the tickets for our group today.

[Will]

Kamog said:
Today I bought my ticket for Revenge of the Sith. The showing will be at 12:01 am tomorrow night (technically it's May 19th). I'll make sure that I get to the theatre at least two hours early. I can't wait! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif


I as well http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif It kinda sucks that most of my friends have gone off for the summer, but even if I can't find other people to go with, I still have my ticket and will enjoy the experience of The Line one more time (went to midnight showings of Eps I and II, wasn't yet born for IV, V, and VI)

Then I get to go to work at 8am, ditch work at 11 to go to class, then head back to work until 6. Not the worst thing ever, but I've been used to extra sleep lately http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[Captain Kwok]

I have my tickets for after work tomorrow.

[Iron Giant]

I just picked up 13 tickets for the 12:04am showing here in Boston. We're watching EP I and II tonight starting at 5pm, then heading over.

EP I and II could have been better, but they weren't bad, just sloppy. GL has given in to the very thing he said he wanted to get away from, the idea that SciFi doesn't have to be good since no one cares. He decided after The Empire Strikes Back that he can do anything he wants and make silly decisions (like Ewoks and Jar Jar) and we'll lap it all up just because its SciFi. He started strong, too bad he didn't finish strong.

But part of the problem is he always had the story in his head, and we're all just coming in on it now. Anakin USED to be a good kid with Good Jedi potential. So him being redeemed at the end of Return of the Jedi made sense to GL, even if it looked sappy to us.

Well the reviews are looking positive, I'll find out in, oh, 11 hours or so.

On the Star Wars Books: Timothy Zahn.

IMHO, don't waste your time with anything else. IIRC, Timothy Zahn is the only Star Wars writer who GL has borrowed material from. The capital planet of Corusant was Timothy Zahns idea. GL liked it so much he copied it. TZ also had a couple characters (like Grand Admiral Thrawn) that GL has labeled (off handedly) as cannon.

[David E. Gervais]

Iron Giant said:
On the Star Wars Books: Timothy Zahn.

IMHO, don't waste your time with anything else. IIRC, Timothy Zahn is the only Star Wars writer who GL has borrowed material from. The capital planet of Corusant was Timothy Zahns idea. GL liked it so much he copied it. TZ also had a couple characters (like Grand Admiral Thrawn) that GL has labeled (off handedly) as cannon.



Ahem, you do know that Timothy Zahn had unprecidented 'access' to Lucas while writing his novels and that he was "In the Know" as they say regarding what was/is in lucas's head regarding the SW universe. I think Lucas even gave hin acess to much of the background story stuff he wrote. So don't be too sure who's idea is who's. I'm not knocking TZ, in fact he is my favorite SW writer, he's even a better writer than GL, but then again TZ has much more training in that area.

Just thought I'd point this out.

Cheers! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Combat Wombat]

Well to stay consistant with the constant irony that is my life. I went to the midnight premiere at the largest theater around and the got into the largest screen and got the far back middle seats. 2 minutes before the movie ended the film melted and we all got full refunds and spent the next hour laughing.

Wonderful movie though I give it ***** stars

[Will]

Just got back from the midnight show. One of my friends ended up calling me at work in the morning asking if I was going (like it needed to be asked!), so I was able to enjoy The Line with a friend instead of being by myself.

Quick review: I would rank the movies in the following order... V, IV, III, VI, II, I (although it's a pretty close tie between IV and III). Great visuals, decent acting except for a few moments, and there were one or two points where I was laughing, and I'm pretty sure I wasn't supposed to (all I'll say is "NOOO!!!!", the people who have seen it will understand, the people who haven't soon will).

Pretty much the only things I didn't like were the dialogue in several points, and that I think the transition to the Dark Side was a bit rushed. Now if only I and II could have been as good...

[Randallw]

Pretty much the only things I didn't like were the dialogue in several points,



I have one word in support.....battledroids (or is that 2 http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/confused.gif)

[Kamog]

I just got home from the movie. It's excellent! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif Go see it!

The theatre was absolutely packed. I had bought my ticket a day early for the 12:01 showing. I got to the theatre around 9:15. There were already several hundred people lining up outside! This theatre has about 12 screens and 5 of them were showing Episode III, so there were 5 lineups outside. Boy, was it crowded. And it just got more and more crowded. Some guys had light sabres. So from 9:15 to 12:01 I spent the time waiting in line or sitting in my seat waiting for the movie to start. It was well worth the wait.

I will go see the movie again probably another four or five times within the next couple of weeks. I hope they come out with a boxed DVD set of all six episodes, I'll definitely buy it.

[Urendi Maleldil]

David E. Gervais said:

Iron Giant said:
On the Star Wars Books: Timothy Zahn.

IMHO, don't waste your time with anything else. IIRC, Timothy Zahn is the only Star Wars writer who GL has borrowed material from. The capital planet of Corusant was Timothy Zahns idea. GL liked it so much he copied it. TZ also had a couple characters (like Grand Admiral Thrawn) that GL has labeled (off handedly) as cannon.



Ahem, you do know that Timothy Zahn had unprecidented 'access' to Lucas while writing his novels and that he was "In the Know" as they say regarding what was/is in lucas's head regarding the SW universe. I think Lucas even gave hin acess to much of the background story stuff he wrote. So don't be too sure who's idea is who's. I'm not knocking TZ, in fact he is my favorite SW writer, he's even a better writer than GL, but then again TZ has much more training in that area.

Just thought I'd point this out.

Cheers! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif



Actually the idea of a city planet for the capital of a galactic empire is from Isaac Asimov's Empire and Foundation series: a planet called Trantor.

[Atrocities]

Well I saw the movie..... I think Lucas and his 6th grade dialog writing skills should be fired. The action was nice but man SPOILER did Wace ever get killed like a punk. Forced out a window..... oh well.

The movie was ok, a lot better than the previous two and more on par with the darkness of Empire. I did not buy the way they chose to kill off Padme' but hey, were back to Lucas's expert grasp on the english language.

Its worth seeing at least twice. Go see it.

[Spoo]

This movie has renewed my faith in Star Wars. I definitely recomend it.

[Atrocities]

I always felt that the Tim Zahn wrote like he was sitting on the toilet. You know some people think they do their best creative work while pushing out a log, but in reality, when your dropping MOO3, everything sounds good. I did not like his novels. To unfocused and "well lets do this meondering thing now" filled.

Now as for Shadows of the Empire, excellent book.

The bounty hunter wars are UTTER TRASH. You have been warned.

[Kamog]

There was a lot of laughter in the audience in each of the scenes where Anakin and Padme are together, and Anakin says something that is supposed to sound sweet and loving.

[bearclaw]

Amazing. Absolutly amazing. Was in line for the midnight showing, dressed as an Imperial Captain in a uniform my wife made for me. The experiance was... breathtaking.

Note to those who haven't seen it: expect nothing, you will be impressed. Expect too much and you'll be disappointed. That seems to have been the problems with EpI & II.

Grim. And dark. As far as I'm concerned, this very adaquately displays Anakins slide to the Dark Side. Pure evil. There's no doubt in my mind that Darth Vader is the ultimate villian.

I'm actually reconcidering taking my 5 yr old daughter. She's as excited as I was to see it though so I don't think I'll be able to keep her away from it. I'll just have to brace her for some of the darker, scarier parts.

My hat's off to GL on this one. Definetly

[narf poit chez BOOM]

From what I've heard about it, it might be best if you didn't take her.

[Aris_Sung]

Yay for all who saw it at 12:01AM!!!!

I thought it was a good movie. Definately recommend it for all to see(But maybe not for young children. There may not be blood and gore, but there sure are alot of lost limbs. Did anyone else notice how there was a hand slicing off fetish?). My suggestion for a better viewing is to let yourself be amazed at what GL can do with what you already know is gonna happen in the movie. I'm probably gonna see it again on Monday since it's a holiday! Woohoo!

Here's a little quiz: Name the 4 characters that appear in all 6 movies.

PS. hmm...do you think Order 66 would work against the Heroes in SEV? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif

[narf poit chez BOOM]

Hmm - Darth Vader, the Emperor, Yoda, Obi-wan Kenobi?
Off the top of my head, Aniken Skywalker and Darth Sidiuos (I think) for the real names of the first two.

Just guessing.

[Aris_Sung]

you got Obi-wan Kenobi right.

the other 3 are not seen in all 6 movies.
Appearances:
Darth - III, IV, V, VI
Emperor - III, V?, VI
Yoda - I, II, III, V, VI

[narf poit chez BOOM]

R2-D2 and 3PO.

Aniken was indead in 1 and 2 - So Darth was right. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif

[Dragonswrd]

I say Obi Wan, R2D2, C3P0, and Anikan. Ani because technically Darth Vader and him are the same person.

[Dragonswrd]

Dang you posted 2 minutes before me

[Captain Kwok]

I saw it last night and enjoyed it a lot. Quite well done (aside from the usual star wars dialogue complaints) with lots of excellent lightsabre battles and some nice continunity touches to the original trilogy.

Some of the background scenery was just absolutely stunning, particularly the nighttime shots of the Corusant city.

[Iron Giant]

*JAW DROPPING AWESOME*
I saw it at midnight.
No Jar Jar, no Ewoks, no pod racing. Just pure Star Wars goodness. Episode III reminded me why I love the Star Wars universe. EP I was ok, EP II got better but didn't have the right feel I remembered as a kid watching the original 3, but EP III gave me the feeling back.

The acting was better, but no one will win an Emmy. Why do people think Star Wars was ever well written? Star Wars isn't Shakespeare. It never was. Some scenes have been memorable ("Captain, being held by you isn't quite enough to get me excited" "Sorry sweetheart, I don't have TIME for anything else" *grin*) but could never have been called a master piece of writing OR acting.

George Lucas set out to put the Saturday matinees from his youth (Buck Rogers, etc) onto the big screen. Now I would have liked things done slightly differently (Jar Jar, Ewoks, blech) but in the end, what else is like the universe of Star Wars?

If you're looking for witty dialoge, look elsewhere. I hear that Sideways is a nice "artsy fartsy" film, maybe I'll see it.

But as far as memorable Sci Fi, Star Wars is it. George Lucas has never been real strong on dialog. Should we hate him for it? Who else is there? I, for one, am just going to like Star Wars for what it is and not feel bad that its not Shakespeare.

We knew this story would be dark. I didn't realize just how dark it could be. I thought the reviewers were making a big deal about nothing, until I saw it. George Lucas was one hairs breath away from an R rating imho. Not only was it graphic, but dark, dark, creepy, dark. Bad things happen to good people for 2 hours. Not a feel good movie. I watched Star Wars on Thursday just to wash the taint of the Dark Side off of me.

[Iron Giant]

David E. Gervais said:

Ahem, you do know that Timothy Zahn had unprecidented 'access' to Lucas while writing his novels and that he was "In the Know" as they say regarding what was/is in lucas's head regarding the SW universe. I think Lucas even gave hin acess to much of the background story stuff he wrote. So don't be too sure who's idea is who's. I'm not knocking TZ, in fact he is my favorite SW writer, he's even a better writer than GL, but then again TZ has much more training in that area.

Just thought I'd point this out.

Cheers! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif



I didn't know that. Thats interesting. I had read that Corusant was TZ's idea and GL liked it so much that he used it himself.

I might have to go and re-read the TZ novels now that EP III is done.

My wife read the TZ novels too and liked them. Shes a heavy reader, but never reads Sci Fi though she recommended TZ to a couple girlfriends.

[DarkHorse]

Saw the movie last night. I thought it was very good, but if you want to know all that was really going on, you need to read the book (written by Matt Stover). There was so much more detail in the book, specifically character and plot development. You get to see the beginnings of the rebellion in the senate, and discover much more about how Padme and Anakin were going in different political directions and how that helped tear them apart.

Sorry if this is somewhat incoherent, but I have a head cold. If you liked the movie, and especially if you didn't, I highly recommend reading the book.

[Atrocities]

SPOILER

I have to be honest, I thought it was one of the best of the six movies. Very dark, kinda depressing, but well thought out with great attention to detail and story. You can tell that Lucas put a lot of thought into this story and it shows. My only major regret is that it was too short, and that it was made last.....

I do like how they left room for doubt about Mace Windo's death, and how they explained how the Emperors lightening kills its victims. How it hurt Yoda, and eventually how it will kill Vader.

I love the shot with Grand Moff Tarkin in it, if you pay attention to the end scenes, he is there with the Emperor and Vader on the bridge of their ship. (Yes it Tarkin, but not the actor Peter Cushing.)

I think Lucas left a lot of room for TV movies, or even a series if he so desires that could take place during the event preceeding Episode IV just after the events in Episode III.

All in all this was a very rewarding moving with a lot more depth and feel too it that reminded me of why I fell in love with the Star Wars in the first place.

The pain of Jar Jar Binks in the first episode, and the horrible dialog in the Episode II can never be forgiven, but parts of those movies played a key role in this one.

The peaces to the puzzle are all in place now, and the master peace that is Star Wars has finally been completed. From the birth of Palpatines desire to become Emperor, and his manipulation that caused the war, then the creation of an army of the republic for which he would have ulitimate control over, to the birth of the Galatic Empire, the story now makes sense.

And yes, Vader is a true villian and he pay's for what he did to the Jedi, a price far more expensive than death alone could toll.

It is as good of movie as Star Wars Empires Strikes Back and A New Hope. Go see it and enjoy it for yourselves.

[zircher]

SPOILER sort of...

What I love about epIII is how they tied some many threads together and answered little questions (Like why is Darth Vader is taller than Aniken Skywalker. Or, how the emperor got to be so ugly, etc.)
--
TAZ

[SamuraiProgrammer]

I give it three thumbs up.

[narf poit chez BOOM]

Well, the emporer's evil - Of course he's ugly!

[Randallw]

I had trouble with the Emperor's appearance. It seems to me the make up was better 20 years ago when he was younger than his appearance now. I mean I am a devoted Star Wars fan and I liked the movie but the Emperor didn't look right and I thought Anakin was too quick to give in.

Edit: oh and Narf I must ask, as we do on Games Workshop forums when someone makes your mistake, who's the Emporer, some bloke who sells things http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif.

[NullAshton]

The emperor is seen in all 6 movies, Emperor Palpatine was also known as Senator Palpatine, as well as the leader of the Old Republic, which I don't remember what was called http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif Obi-wan was seen in all of the movies, as a ghost in the last two however. Anakin/Darth Vader was seen in all the movies. Those two droids were seen in all of the movies. Yoda WAS seen in all 6 movies, he was shown in the last one as a ghost http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif And that's about all for people who's been there for the whole movie.

[Strategia_In_Ultima]

I think the reason Lucas's skipped the rest of the nine films he announced he'd make simply because of the immense quantity of newly-created information (the Expanded Universe, as in books and so forth) that either he'd have to
1. Stick exactly to the story in the (massive amount of) books, which would essentially be retelling an already told story, or
2. Contradict events/etc. from the books, which would make many SW addicts very P.O.'d.

On top of that, all the old vehicles wouldn't look the same anymore, because I don't think Lucas is going to use stop-motion animation and bluescreen models anymore, and all the vehicles would simply be "touched up" if they were digitally animated. I mean, just compare the EpII/III Yoda animation with the EpI/IV/V/VI Yoda puppet.

[douglas]

NullAshton said:
The emperor is seen in all 6 movies, Emperor Palpatine was also known as Senator Palpatine, as well as the leader of the Old Republic, which I don't remember what was called http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif Obi-wan was seen in all of the movies, as a ghost in the last two however. Anakin/Darth Vader was seen in all the movies. Those two droids were seen in all of the movies. Yoda WAS seen in all 6 movies, he was shown in the last one as a ghost http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif And that's about all for people who's been there for the whole movie.


The Emperor is mentioned in passing but never actually makes an appearance in IV, and his appearance(s) in V are all holographic. Yoda isn't even mentioned in IV, except possibly as an off-hand reference by Obi-wan to his master without saying his name.

Obi-wan appears in all 6, though only as a ghost in the last 2. Anakin/Darth Vader is a major character in all 6. R2D2 and C3PO at least make token appearances in all 6. Other than those 4, almost no one appears in both trilogies, and all of those but Yoda and Palpatine have only a brief appearance in III for their total coverage in the prequel trilogy - Luke and Leia as babies, Tarkin as background in a star destroyer bridge scene near the end, and Chewbacca might have been among the wookies with Yoda on Kashyyyk. Oh, I almost forgot, Jabba makes an appearance officiating at the pod race in I, and Boba Fett has a very minor role as a kid in II.

[dogscoff]

I mean, just compare the EpII/III Yoda animation with the EpI/IV/V/VI Yoda puppet.




And now compare Yoda's lightsabre duel in epII with Kermit the Frog's swordfighting sequence in "Muppet Treasure Island."

And now ask yourself "Which was the better film?"

[geoschmo]

dogscoff said:


I mean, just compare the EpII/III Yoda animation with the EpI/IV/V/VI Yoda puppet.




And now compare Yoda's lightsabre duel in epII with Kermit the Frog's swordfighting sequence in "Muppet Treasure Island."

And now ask yourself "Which was the better film?"

I had to struggle to keep from laughing out loud watching the Yoda saber duels. And not in a good "that's humourous" way. It's an "Oh this is so bad it's funny" way. It's just ridiculous. It almost ruined ep II for me. It didn't seem so bad in EpIII, but maybe that's because I had finally succeeded in beating down the little voice in my head screaming about how bad all three of these movies sucked.

By the the one hour mark of epIII I had finally choked off the little voice and resigned myself to just ignoring the pathetic dialog and contrived or nonexsistant story and end up just watching all the pretty pictures. In the end it was like fireworks. Lot's of ooo and ahhhh, but when it was over I was left with nothing but a ringing in my ears.

EDIT: And yes, Muppet Tresure Island was way better. But that's because it was based on a classic piece of literature. That is something Star Wars has never been mistaken for.

[Strategia_In_Ultima]

Ohhh yes. Star Wars is very likely based on Frank Herbert's Dune books. The first Dune motion picture was planned for release earlier than SW: A New Hope, but eventually was released later. Otherwise, SW would probably never have been so big and we'd have a large Dune mod for SEIV and perhaps a small, rarely used SW mod.

At least seventeen close similarities were noticed between SW and Dune by Frank Herbert himself IIRC.

[geoschmo]

Star Wars may have similarites to Dune, in the same way that all stories share many common plot themes and character types. Especially two stories that are both from teh same genera of sci0fi the way Dune and SW are. Star Wars is no more like Dune in that respect then Dune was like whatever stories that came before it that inspired Herbert though.

That's not at all the same thing as Muppet Tresure Island being based on Tresure Island. That's a case where the muppet movie is a complete retelling of the story. It's the same story begining to end, just with some minor adjustments and character tweaks.

[dogscoff]

geoschmo said:
Star Wars may have similarites to Dune, in the same way that all stories share many common plot themes and character types.




I agree and disagree. I think the two films are sufficiently different to say that SW owes little or nothing to Dune. On the other hand, it's quite conceivable that the whole "young man of noble birth on a desert world destined to restore a usurped power" is perhaps, umm, shall we say 'inspired' by Dune.



Especially two stories that are both from teh same genera of sci0fi the way Dune and SW are.




I would disagree here. Dune is scifi. SW is sinbad-genre swashbuckling dressed up as scifi. Or, to quote the great Tim Bisley, Star Wars (or at least, EP1) is nothing but a "jumped-up firework display of a toy advert".

[geoschmo]

dogscoff said:
On the other hand, it's quite conceivable that the whole "young man of noble birth on a desert world destined to restore a usurped power" is perhaps, umm, shall we say 'inspired' by Dune.


Perhaps. My point wasn't that he couldn't have used Dune as one of many inspirations. To the contrary I was trying to point out that all stories are derivative to a degree. You could say Dune and Star Wars were both inspired by the King Arthur legend or the story of Moses. There are many other stories I'm sure that would fit the outline. None of this means, as Herbert seemed to be claiming at one point (though I think he's backed off of it the last few years) , that Lucas was ripping off his ideas.

EDIT: Er, I guess Herbert's been dead for a few years now. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/redface.gif That could explain his lack of further objections? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

Honestly though, it would be difficult to write a sci-fi story in the 70's and 80's without having been inspired by Dune. It was the watershed moment for the genera.

[narf poit chez BOOM]

Dune was boring. Clarke and Asimov were writing long before Dune.

[Raging Deadstar]

dogscoff said:
And now compare Yoda's lightsabre duel in epII with Kermit the Frog's swordfighting sequence in "Muppet Treasure Island."

And now ask yourself "Which was the better film?"



Dogscoff, that's unfair, It's like comparing Indiana Jones to the Tomb Raider Movies. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

Muppet Treasure Island is by far the superior film http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

[Will]

NullAshton said:
The emperor is seen in all 6 movies, Emperor Palpatine was also known as Senator Palpatine, as well as the leader of the Old Republic, which I don't remember what was called http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif Obi-wan was seen in all of the movies, as a ghost in the last two however. Anakin/Darth Vader was seen in all the movies. Those two droids were seen in all of the movies. Yoda WAS seen in all 6 movies, he was shown in the last one as a ghost http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif And that's about all for people who's been there for the whole movie.


Corrections:
The Emperor/Palpatine/Sidious was in I, II, III, V, and VI, but never made an appearance in IV, A New Hope, he was only mentioned by Vader and the Moffs (re: disbanding the Senate)
Yoda, also was in I, II, III, V, and VI, but did not appear in IV, and did not even get a mention until Empire Strikes Back.
But Anakin/Vader, Obi-wan/Ben, C-3P0, and R2-D2 do make appearances in all six.

[Sivran]

I finally saw it today. Hayden Christensen's performance was as abysmal as I expected it to be, but some of the other actors appeared to struggle with the matierals given them as well. I can only attribute this to Lucas himself.

I was rather disappointed with the movie, and the more I think about it, the more disappointed I become.

[Kamog]

I would rate the six Star Wars movies in the following order, from best to worst:
ESB, ANH, AotC, RotS, RotJ, TPM.

[NullAshton]

I'm going to watch this movie today at 5:00 PM EST. Wish me luck... Btw, if you don't like star wars, you're not going to like the movie, just a warning http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

[Kevin Arisa]

I finally saw it today.

It was better than I was told. But I don't really understand most of the negative comments about the franchise anyway. I was never bothered by Ewoks or JarJar. They were just new characters to me. Anakin watches too many soap opera holovids but I can ignore that, Jedi tend to be overly dramatic. He turned quickly but he was pretty gullible to begin with. He really needed his mommy. Padme got wimpier as time went on but oh well, sappy things happen. I was irked by the changed battledroid voices. They sound silly. However, EP3 makes me love Artoo more than ever. "Super" Battle Droids flee from the mighty R2D2!! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

Overall I have liked each movie for what it was, I had no prior expectations so I was never dissapointed. I knew they would each tell an important story in the SW universe and I'm glad to have seen them.

[NullAshton]

I don't remember the droids being so talkative... Those droids talked a whole lot http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif

[Atrocities]

Well I took my two 8 year old nephews to see the movie and they were not impressed. The battle and light saber fights kept their attention, but otherwise they did not comprehend the movie. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif After spending some quality time with them I have been left with the distinct impression that they may not be normal 8 year olds. They act and seem much younger. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif I am so horribly depressed.

Oh well, the movie was just as good and even more so now that I could spend some time looking at the details in the back ground between pop corn fights, and bored tempor tantrum throughing 8 year olds. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Strategia_In_Ultima]

NullAshton said:
I don't remember the droids being so talkative... Those droids talked a whole lot http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif



Which droids? General Grievous? Or were it the other, combat droids? If so, which ones? Battle Droids? Super Battle Droids?

[Renegade 13]

Well AT, I've got a couple of 8 year old relatives, and I think that every 8 year old acts younger than they are. Then suddenly, at around 10 or 12 they start acting their age, and at 14-16 they become human. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif

[NullAshton]

Grievous didn't talk that much. It was mostly the battle droids and super battle droids. You never heard the droids say 'ow' so much in your life...

[General Woundwort]

No, but Grievous did *cough*. Why does a droid *cough*?!? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/confused.gif

[Fyron]

And why does a droid have an organic heart and eyes? This was never explained in the movie.

[NullAshton]

General Grevious was a warrior, but his ship had a bomb in it. Droid engineers placed what was left of him in a new body. His lungs also survived, I think.

[ToddT]

well i was beaten to it, i haven't seen the movie or followed it on the net and i knew about that.
after wacthing the first movie of the latest 3 i already knew how it would play out, movies these days are so predictable ( i read alot as a kid and do mean alot, everything is now a variation on a theme, even B5 was predictable)

[geoschmo]

My bro in law said General Grevious was a character in that clone wars animated series. Apparently he was in a fight with Mace Windoo at one point and that's how his lungs got damaged.

[Atrocities]

Hey you can watch that very episode along with four others at the cartoon networks web sight. I watched them last night and they are quite good.

[Atrocities]

Imperator Fyron said:
And why does a droid have an organic heart and eyes? This was never explained in the movie.



Evidently he was a living being at one point. He was nearly killed in some battle and the doids built a robotic body for him.

The Clone Wars - micro series - on the cartoon network and that damn abomination, hyperspace over on starwars.com, give a lot of back ground info that kind of explains things in the moive. Not that I have seen anything about Grevious origins in the ones that I have seen. You at least get to see how the Emperor was captured.

[Atrocities]

Cartoon Network - Clone Wars (http://www.cartoonnetwork.com/promos/200503_starwars/index.html)

[El_Phil]

Well as for predictable, by defenition these films were predictable. They had to get from Episode I to IV, certain things had to happen.

[Atrocities]

I never saw it coming.... Anikin turning into Darth Vader!

[Intimidator]

no I was surprised also.
really thought he would kill the emperor together with mace.

[Atrocities]

Surprises in Episode III
1. I never saw it coming.. Anikin turning into Darth Vader!
2. The emperor WAS the Sith Lord! OMG!
3. The Clones turning on the Jedi!
4. They had light saber fights!
5. I was totally cought off gaurd that Padme was Luke and Liea's mother!

[El_Phil]

Genuine surprises:

1. Minimal JarJar
2. Decent(ish) CGI
3. Less rubbish dialogue

[gregebowman]

I love this movie. I still think #4 is the best of them, but now we know how Anakin becomes Darth Vader. My only gripe comes from Padme dying at the end. How could Leia remember her mother in episode 6 if she died in child birth? The only thing I can think of is that was a force inpsired memory. Other than that, it's a great movie. Definitely worth waiting 28 years for. At least we now know the place where Vader last felt Obi-Wan's presence: Mustafar.

[Atrocities]

It is said that some children, even more so for those with force powers, can actually feel their mothers love while they are in the womb. This is the basis for that mothering instict. It is a paradox that I am sure Lucas did not consider.

[Kamog]

I saw the movie for the second time today. It's a wonderful movie, I'm sure I'll go see it even more times while it's still in the theaters. This time there was no lineup at all to get in, but the pLace was still full.

I want to be a Jedi!

[gregebowman]

I've seen it twice so far. I hope to see it a time or two more before it comes out on dvd. I wonder how long before the super duper collector's set with all 6 movies, plus who knows how many more disks, comes out? Not that I'll be able to afford it, but it sure would be nice to have.

[Strategia_In_Ultima]

I want to be a Jedi!



I want to be a Sith.

Or a Clone Stormtrooper, that's also nice.



Going to see the movie today, am impatient with anticipation.....

[El_Phil]

Being a Sith you would get the classier powers and no limits on what you can do when in a fight. Jedis have to not show emotion or kill too many civies that sort of thing. Or so I understand it from the films.

[geoschmo]

Strategia_In_Ultima said:
Or a Clone Stormtrooper, that's also nice.


As long as you don't have to buy for everyone in your family on their birthday... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[Iron Giant]

Well I saw it 3 times in its first 4 days. Still totally awesome.

After "Phantom Menace" and "Attack of the Clones" I was really jealous. There were people out there who said that EP I and II were as good as the originals and they LOVED EP I and II. Me, not so much. Decent SciFi, but they didn't FEEL like Star Wars.

EP III Totally FEELS like Star Wars to me. It makes me want to join the rebellion, build Star Wars models and tell people "May the force be with you"! I am so sorry for anyone who didn't get this feeling back after EP III. But I really got it back and I'm going to go with it http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[NullAshton]

*cheers* Another one joins our noble cause! UP WITH STAR WARS!!!

[Strategia_In_Ultima]

Grievous was simply awesome..... I can find no other words to descrive him/it. Especially the dual-lightsaber whirl while he's approaching Kenobi in the Utapau hangar.

I Wanna See More Wookiees!

Clone stormtroopers looked very good, they actually changed during the movie. At first, they looked like Clonetroopers with a bit of Stormtrooper in their helmets, at the end they looked like Stormtroopers with a tiny bit of Clonetrooper in their helmets. Also, the ARC-170 pilots' helmets look almost exactly the same as the Rebel fighter pilot helmets.

Once again, droids were used for comic relief - not C-3PO though, Battle Droids and Super Battle Droids. Nice change of pace.

First line of the Super Battle Droid Handbook:
When facing an astromech droid, especially of the R2 series, do NOT attempt to engage - run like hell and get heavy backup.

I didn't really see any Droid Tri-Fighters or Utapauan fighters, and I only saw the V-wings at the end, escorting Palpatine's shuttle to the landing pad. Pity.

First line of the Buzz Droid Handbook:
When landing on a starfighter, check for R2 units first, if you spot one in your vicinity, make sure there is at least two feet distance between you and it.

Second line of the Buzz Droid Handbook:
When taking care of a starfighter, WATCH OUT for wingmen!

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

[NullAshton]

Shooting droids off an allies spaceship, NOT a good idea.

[Strategia_In_Ultima]

Not shooting, simply knockin' 'em off the ruddy wing, like Anakin did in the opening scene when the Buzz Droids landed on Obi-Wan's Jedi Interceptor.

[PvK]

My personal SW series ratings, on a scale from 1 to 10:

Ep 1: 3
Ep 2: 6
Ep 3: 8
Ep 4: 10
Ep 5: 8
Ep 6: 8

Order of favoritism: 4, 6, 3, 5, 2, 1.

Ep 3 has some of the best visual effects in the series, though many of them are (as in Eps 1 and 2) too hyper-active and cluttered. Plenty of action. I greatly appreciated the lack of any Gungans (I didn't see any Jar Jar) and painfully cutsie crap. There were places where the script was pitiful, and though it didn't utterly suck, I think the Anakin's transition to Vader was done very weakly.

The whole Padme/Anakin story was much weaker than I expected. I thought there was an obvious opportunity to handle that in a much more dramatic, interesting, and rational way, but oh well. At least it was short enough, since the chance of Lucas, Christensen and what's'er-name pulling a better story off well seems minimal.

Good point about Padme's death seeming to contradict Leia's statement in Ep 6 - guess Leia was wrong (more likely, Lucas just being inconsistent for no good reason).

PvK

[Fyron]

PvK said:
Good point about Padme's death seeming to contradict Leia's statement in Ep 6 - guess Leia was wrong (more likely, Lucas just being inconsistent for no good reason).

He was just feeling jealous of Star Trek. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/stupid.gif

[Atrocities]

NullAshton said:
Shooting droids off an allies spaceship, NOT a good idea.



"Don't worry master, I will shoot them off of your fighter!"
"NOOOOOOOOOOO ANIK----------" Static
"OH [censored]! OH [censored]!"

[Atrocities]

Just incase no one has heard, they are developing a TV series for Star Wars. There is even talk about doing a new Trillogy predating Episode one. The new Trilogy would not be called Star Wars, but rather The Force Wars or something simular.

Looks like Lucas is going to keep cashing in and that is a-ok with me. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Starhawk]

I just saw Star Wars last night and I must say YODA IS THE MAN!!!! he just kicks so much ***!

Although okay I loved the movie except for the vader "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO" scene lol that made me laugh much to the irritation of one of the folks next to me but screw them I stopped laughing when he stopped saying "NOOOOOOOO"

[Kamog]

I wish Lucas would create Episodes VII, VIII, and IX. ISTR that he said he's not going to make them, but I hope that he changes his mind.

[Atrocities]

Yes, it would have been much better if he had said "Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh Pademmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm!" But "noooooooooooooooooooooo" was kinda lame. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif The only major lame thing in the whole movie, and even Star Wars had at least one lame scene so there. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif All is good in the land of Star Wars.

[Atrocities]

Kamog said:
I wish Lucas would create Episodes VII, VIII, and IX. ISTR that he said he's not going to make them, but I hope that he changes his mind.



Harrison Ford = Very Old looking
Carry Fisher = Old and, well fat.
Mark Hamil = Ok but getting old looking

And there would be no Vader in them so why bother?

[Strategia_In_Ultima]

My favorite SW movies of the new trilogy (last time I saw the old trilogy was too long ago for me to still have a clear opinion about it):

1. EpIII. Without a doubt.
2. EpII. Well, the scenes with only Obi-Wan at least. It really isn't all that bad when you simply skip the Anakin and Padme/Anakin scenes. Thank God for DVD players http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif
3. EpI.
4. EpII, the scenes with Anakin or Anakin/Padme.

I really liked the large-scale combat scenes in EpII. For me, the most interesting and fun aspect of the SW universe is the technology. The Jedi/Sith are not that important IMO. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[Starhawk]

Here's what happens when you give Darth the line NOOOOOOOOOOOO:

http://unitedstatesofno.ytmnd.com/

Give it a moment or two to load but then sit back and laugh http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Ron_Lugge]

Your forgot to mention the sound.

[Starhawk]

Oh yeah turn your speakers up REALLY HIGH for this http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

Better? heheh

[Bongosan]

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif
Hahahahah!!!!
This is awesome!

[tesco samoa]

http://www.americancomedynetwork.com/FLASH/starwars.htm

hehehehe

[Ron_Lugge]

That... was bad.

No, that was WORSE than bad. It was horrific.

[Atrocities]

"I cannought do it capt'n! I cannought work with a tribble on steriods!" ROFLMAO WAY OFF>...

"If your over 40, celibrate, and live with your mother then you'll love Star Wars 3 1/2 "Star Trek!"

Oh man that was simply too funny! LMAO!

[Captain Kwok]

It was ok (the spoof that is), but I expected more!

[Atrocities]

Captain Kwok said:
It was ok (the spoof that is), but I expected more!



Damn critics!

[Starhawk]

That was a little lame.....although fat shatner was funny lol

What's bad is that I knew a woman who was 45 a virgin and still living with her parents because she couldn't find a guy who would court her lol (I wonder)....

I DID IT ALL FOR THE WOOKIE that's priceless!

[geoschmo]

"Amok Timex" http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif Brilliant! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[ExSentinel]

I could not stop laughing at the last one. I should not have listened to it at work, because all my co-workers are thinking about fall off my rocker, but that was just too funny to keep inside

[geoschmo]

I guess this is what Spock was talking about with the "I sing better than Shapner" button.

http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Set/1931/2-sides.html

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

[Kamog]

That's funny... Sadly, however, I find that as time passes, the less and less I could look at the Star Trek original series and take it seriously. It used to be the best way back when there was nothing else around. That was a long time ago.

[Randallw]

Ok as this has turned into Trek music discussion here is something of interest.

http://www.milkandcookies.com/links/29841/

you've heard it you can't unhear it.

[Renegade 13]

Well I finally got to see Star Wars Ep. III...and damn was it ever good.

Have you ever gone to a theater, watched a movie, then when the movie ends you feel as though you are still in the world the movie created? Star Wars created this feeling for me this evening, and it is very rare for me to experience it.

The effects were nothing less than awe-inspiring, and the story was deep...and dark. Much darker than any of the other movies. Yet its very darkness makes it appealing in an age of sugar-coated movies where everything turns out well in the end. It's refreshing to say the least when a movie shows that the good guys don't always win, that people never "live happily ever after".

It was almost gut-wrenching to experience the betrayal by Skywalker, the slaughter of all those Jedi...the story was so immersive I found myself feeling as though I was there, watching the entire thing first hand, experiencing all the emotions to go along with it...a rare thing indeed.

As you can tell, I liked it. A lot.

One thing I can't understand though. After Obi Wan sliced off Anakin's legs and arm, why did he just leave him there to combust and die a slow, painful death? He claimed Anakin was like a brother too him, and yet if that was so, why did he not just kill him, bring the end quickly? Just something that didn't totally make sense to me.

[narf poit chez BOOM]

Because, following latest trends, the hero must always be responcible for the villians evil.

[Will]

Obi-wan said that Anakin was like a brother to him. Could you kill your own brother? It doesn't matter what he has done, it just isn't possible, if he has any time to think about it, to kill Anakin.

When they're fighting, it's all reflex. And after the leap, Obi-wan takes the easy strikes at the legs and arm. But after, he has a moment to stop and think about it, and can't bring himself to kill the man who he has trained for years, since Anakin was a small boy.

After watching the movie, I thought of how the following films would have been different if Yoda went after Anakin, while Obi-wan went after Palpatine/Sidious. Or what would have happened if both confronted Palpatine/Sidious first, then confronted Anakin later. But, from the story, it was inevitable that things happened the way they did in the movie, so that is how it is.

[Renegade 13]

Obi-wan said that Anakin was like a brother to him. Could you kill your own brother? It doesn't matter what he has done, it just isn't possible, if he has any time to think about it, to kill Anakin.


But is forcing his own brother to suffer a horribly painful death any better than killing him?

[Will]

Renegade 13 said:

Obi-wan said that Anakin was like a brother to him. Could you kill your own brother? It doesn't matter what he has done, it just isn't possible, if he has any time to think about it, to kill Anakin.


But is forcing his own brother to suffer a horribly painful death any better than killing him?


Ah, but he didn't die http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif

[Renegade 13]

Good point, but he had every reason to believe he would. And, at the end of episode III, he believes Anakin is dead.

[gregebowman]

I thought Obi-Wan's response to Anakin's (really it's Vader) demise was brutal. Just watching the man you loved like a brother just get consumed by flames and not do a thing to stop it, and actually walking away without a backward glance, was almost as bad as some of the things Anakin did when he turned. As Renegade13 stated, this was a very dark movie. I don't know how old he is, but I remember going to see The Empire Strikes Back. That was a dark movie also, but not to the scale of Ep. III.


I had a horrible thought today while I was reading the Cestus Deception. We know Lucas likes to tinker with his movies. What if in a couple of years, he releases the new revised special edition of SW:IV A New Hope? I was thinking of some of the continuity errors that still exists when Luke meets Obi-Was in the desert. Things like how Obi-Wan didn't go by his original name since before Luke was born. Little things like that. What if he digitalizes the movie to where he corrects some of those errors? Can you imagine someone else's voice being used for Obi-wan. Or God forbid, he recasts Ewan McGregor to play the older Obi-Wan so the voices more closely match. BRRRRR!!! I shudder at the thought.