Star Wars Ships & Status of SW Mod

[Atrocities]

I have looked about and have not found any good up to date info on this mod. Does any one have a clue?

I have been kicking around the idea of making my own SEIV Empire / Rebel ship sets for my own use, especially now that I have a whole new list of ships that I can use, thanks to Episode III and Empires At War preview.

Right now there are NO Star Wars 4x games on the market and aside from an RTS style game, Empires At War, there are no plans for one. The only Star Wars 4x game was Rebellion and it barely fit into the mold. It was limited to 200 systems, and had only two sides. It was a great game in its own right but the learning curve was horrendous at best. Well worth it if you took the time to learn the game.

It's been nearly five years since SEIV beta was released and still no working Star Wars mod. Am I the only one who finds this very disappointing?

I mean how hard could it be to hash out a good mod out line. They had only four or five weapon types, with point defense cannons being very inaccurate. Lasers, Turbo Lasers, Ion Cannons, and blasters.

Sure they had an assortment of troops and fighters, but that can be modded into the game seperately as Infantry, Ground Based Assualt Forces, and Air Assualt Forces.

Fighters are pretty basic, each side has about four major designs.

As to capitol ships, well look to Rebellion and a few other Star Wars games for a good list.

Use portions of Suicide Junkies Carrier mod, with his permission of course, and rename a lot of stock SEIV technology, components, and weapons, and your off and running.

Hell you could even use my Hero/Facility idea to make the System Governors and such. (basically replace a facility with an image of a man, give him system or planet ability, with limitation of one per planet or system)

We would not have to worry to much about fighter weapons as most fighters use lasers.

A propulsion system could be devised that allowed for hyperdrive, FTL, and stardrive engines. Each would have a differant cost, size, and supply usage requirement.

Ships that max there speed out each turn would run out of supplies faster than if they limited their movements to half of less of their maximum range.

The way I see it, I have but two choices, I can reinstall and play Rebellion, a seven year old game, yes it does have 3d combat, or I can wait for a Space Empires IV Star Wars Mod and play it.

I would prefer to have a SEIV mod as the game has far more depth than Rebellion even if it does not have the DEPTH of rebellion. (Rebellion had some great concepts that SEIV - or V - could really benefit from adopting, but likely will won't.)

[luke_slovakian]

I know Intimidator was workin on his version. It had hero and everything...i myself thought it was great. Not sure what u were thinking but he already added hero trait to it.


We nice done and he redid some other things but can not remember. Can't wait til he comes back

[Atrocities]

Ya we had talked a while back. I don't know if he was using hero's as components, or not. Component hero's work too, but then you end up with 20 Admiral Petts.... not good.

[Ragnarok-X]

On the other hand Inti is ill for several more weeks...

[Intimidator]

Hi,

Good discussion.............. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Indeed , I will be gone for another 3 weeks (2 if all goes well the next week), but am allowed to go home in the weekends now.
My recovery is going fine and can walk around now a bit, and my concussion is over now (at last, had some serious headache for 5 weeks http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif )
And again I want to thank everybody from the SEIV society for the (mental) support.

But now the important news, INDEED I am working on an Star Wars mod (I even want to call it the Rebellion Mod). And although I didn't have any internet acces for the last 6 weeks, I had my laptop with me all the time http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif. So I can announce that I made some good progress the last weeks.
---- (Luke , I can't recall (brains are still a bit Blurry)...... Did I send you some early Beta ?????)

---- Indeed AT. that is the only problem with my mod. Hero-components......... It can be played only with mutual trust between players, that you will build/use only one of the hero's in your empire.
But I really want that part of the gameplay, So I added it and will NOT remove it. (Damn, it is the most important part I added to the mod (Still based on Andres SWii mod, ships scale, which I think is great.)

Another very important part I added the last weeks are unique (planet originated) tech areas (used with canon SW map).
Example : do you want Tauntaun's -> colonize Hoth.
En do you want some faster construction sites -> go to Kuat or Corellia.........
And offcourse the Imperial military academy can be found on Carida for some better officers and troopers/pilots.


Am workin now on:
- Geonosis (some old abandoned droid factory http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif )
- Kamino (Cloning abilities)
- Kessel (Better (spice) mining)
- Wayland (The emperor's treasure-chamber, Joruus C'baoth / spaarti cilinders / Luke's DNA)
- Dathomir (witches/Rancors ??? have to fill this in yet)

And am working on more, but didn't had internet acces so am delayed on that part (So everybody who red all the books , please give me INFO)

But the most important part of the mod will be ROLEPLAYING (*** people know who play(ed) my ST: Quadrants of conflict games)
I know that some people don't like it but I prefer canon/realism ABOVE game/empire Balance.
So the mod will never work as SP game , but will be fun as Multiplayer.


I hope I informed you well enough for now.
And I will make sure that some Beta is available soon....

Inti,

[Intimidator]

BTW. AT. I see you are very eager to play some sort of SW mod (mayby because you saw SWIII http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif )
So if you want it, make sure we meet on MSN this weekend and I can give the beta to you, and maybe we are able to play one of our oneonone games again soon !!)

Inti,

[Captain Kwok]

AT, you should definately make some Rebel/Empire ship sets.

I'm also eager to immerse myself in some Star Wars universe action after seeing the movie. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif

[Urendi Maleldil]

I've stopped working on my Star Wars mod because I'm beta testing SEV. I have a few data files, notes, and ideas I can send you if you want.

I think there were a couple of people also working on SW mods.

[Atrocities]

These are not the greatest, but they are a start.

http://www.astempire.net/display/sw/reb1.PNGhttp://www.astempire.net/display/sw/emp1.PNGhttp://www.astempire.net/display/sw/emp1a.PNG

[Zaamon]

Can you also make Republic shipset? Or somebody else.

[Zaamon]

Those are good pictures btw. Not so textured, but good. If that middle ship is going to be Victory-class it doesn't´t look like one.

[Intimidator]

Urendi Maleldil said:
I've stopped working on my Star Wars mod because I'm beta testing SEV. I have a few data files, notes, and ideas I can send you if you want.

I think there were a couple of people also working on SW mods.




Hi,

Yes please send me what you have, like to see it ??

Intimidator5@hotmail.com / fwhesseling@tiscali.nl

Inti,

[Atrocities]

Those ships are just test models. I have no idea what a victory class looks like. These were done from memory.

[Ragnarok-X]

Oh, is Inti back into the world of SE 4 ? Nice to see you back !

And Atrocities, they look great. I especially like the first ship, though im unsure on how it is named. Seen it several times, but couldnt remember the name..

[Atrocities]

http://www.astempire.net/display/sw/empsd1.PNGhttp://www.astempire.net/display/sw/empsd1m.PNGhttp://www.astempire.net/display/sw/empsd2.PNGhttp://www.astempire.net/display/sw/empsd2m.PNG
http://www.astempire.net/display/sw/empsd3.PNGhttp://www.astempire.net/display/sw/empsd3m.PNGhttp://www.astempire.net/display/sw/empsd4.PNGhttp://www.astempire.net/display/sw/empsd4m.PNG
http://www.astempire.net/display/sw/empvin1.PNGhttp://www.astempire.net/display/sw/empvin1m.PNGhttp://www.astempire.net/display/sw/empasv1.PNGhttp://www.astempire.net/display/sw/empasv1m.PNG

To get the color and texture needed for depth of view, mainly top down, is going to be very tricky.

[Intimidator]

Ragnarok-X said:
Oh, is Inti back into the world of SE 4 ? Nice to see you back !

And Atrocities, they look great. I especially like the first ship, though im unsure on how it is named. Seen it several times, but couldnt remember the name..




Hi,

It's named : Nebulon - B

And yes, I'm back, but for now only in the weekends. (still have some rehabilitation to do in the weeks, but I can walk good enough now to come home in the weekends and perhaps some evenings, I even escaped hospital to see Star Wars III http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif )


Indeed AT , Great ships again. If you can delivery me some complete sets I will certainly use them in my mod. (Which I will make available next weekend)

See ya all,

Inti,

[Atrocities]

Is there an Intimidator Class of Stardestroyer? If not, would you like to name one of the new designs after your nick name?

[Zaamon]

If you need model examples you can look this site
http://www.theforce.net/swtc/

[Atrocities]

Thanks, but that sight is not very helpful.

[Intimidator]

My favorite Site :

http://massassi.yavin4.com/pagemain.htm



AT. Already thought about my own nickname, but there are a lot of official names for the ship classes already available. But I will keep it in mind.

Inti,

[Intimidator]

BTW.



To save me a lot of work , maybe somebody could send me the Star Wars canon map that is available somewhere.
I had it a while ago, but somehow lost it.

please send to fwhesseling@tiscali.nl or intimidator5@hotmail.com

Inti,

[Zaamon]

You can also look other mods like Warlords on HW2.
http://warlords.swrebellion.com/

There is many ships and screenshots. Almost too many ships.
And ship browser. It dont have all, but most. There is also some images about Republic and Separatist.

[narf poit chez BOOM]

Welcome back, Intimidator.

(So many people to remember - So little memory)

[Strategia_In_Ultima]

There is an Intimidator star destroyer. There are simply too many star destroyers.

There are also simply too many sites out there with information/schematics for the star destroyers.

[El_Phil]

I'd go for a small one, a middle sized one, a big one and a huge giant one. Thus covering the range of star destroyers in as much detail as is needed.

Ohhh and a special component: 'Hick farm boy' that can kill death stars in one shot.

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

[Urendi Maleldil]

Intimidator, I sent you the SW Mod stuff I had yesterday. Here are some reference links I've used:

SW Galactic Databank: http://www.galacticempiredatabank.com/
SW Technical Commentaries: http://www.theforce.net/swtc/
SW Ships & Vehicles: http://frankg.dgne.com/swsv/index.shtml
Nick's Ultimate SW Page: http://www.geocities.com/poser_502/
Galactic HoloNet: http://www.galacticholonet.com/
Wikipedia SW Lists: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Star_Wars_lists

The Wikipedia and the Galactic Databank are the most detailed.

[Zaamon]

Thank you Urendi Maleldil. I didnt remember waht was addres to that great info supply. Sw Galactic Databank. Theforce have only side images from one side. Third link dont work. It goes to site. but most of links dont work. I found only one site from those you put when I search 90min. If you ask me, best site is SW Galactic Databank

[Atrocities]

YOu all must keep in mind that SEIV does not lend itself well to ship size scales. So all of the ships used will appear to be of the same size visually. That is just the nature of the game.

[Emperor Fritsch the Dense]

Are you going to put in a AI, or is this for player vs player only? /crosses his geeky fingers.

[Ragnarok-X]

Hey, i need to do a small hijack to this thread: Please reply to the mails about STM mod game.

[Outcast]

Ahoy, I’m still quite new to SE4 and still learning the game mechanics. I’ve wondered too why this pretty game still has no decent SW mod available.
Next the hero-facilities, there could be maybe a more flexible method for implementing heroes of the saga to the game:

Create special hero-starships with unique unaffordable hero-components and let the player start every game with them.

Compared to hero-facilities, players could decide in which sector/system they are going to park their heroes with different abilities like economic and tactical bonuses which affect one sector, the whole system, or the entire empire.
To prevent hero-ships attacked by ordinary forces you could give them the same cloaking ability like the civilian starships of the Pirates&Nomad and Adamant mod which would be only detectable by other hero-ships’ scanners.
To make things more interesting, hero-ships could be captured by the enemy to force them providing their bonuses to the enemy side.

Here are some examples of hero-ships:

Rebels
- Mon Mothma and Admiral Ackbar flying on the Mon Calamari star cruiser Home One presenting the mobile Rebel headquarters which provides bonuses in all categories (happiness, production, ship/fleet training, etc.) in the sector/system
- Luke (with R2) on his X-Wing with superior combat ability and combat modifier bonus for the entire system.
- Han, Leia, Chewie and 3P0 on the Millenium Falcon with diplomatic (happiness) bonus for the current sector/system
- Lando Calrissian on his Lucky Lady space-yacht with superior economic bonuses for the sector/system
- General Madine on a Nebulon-B frigate providing intelligence points per turn, superior ship boarding, scanner, and mine-laying/-sweeping capability - acting as the Rebel hero-ship hunter

Imperials
- Emperor Palpatine on his Imperial shuttle providing bonuses in all categories to the sector/system
- Darth Vader with Admiral Piett and General Viers on the slow-moving SDD Executor with bonuses to combat and economy but moral penalty by oppressive force in the sector/system
- Boba Fett on his Slave I with superior combat power inclusive ship boarding, long-range scanning, and intelligence points generating - acting as the Imperial hero-ship hunter

[Strategia_In_Ultima]

That would be a good idea, however there is no way that you can mod SEIV to start with ships. It's impossible in SEIV, but perhaps it'll be a possibility in SEV or SEVI.

Plus, adding to what you're proposing, heroes should be able to move about. General Veers fought planetside with his AT-ATs, Luke isn't always in the X-Wing, Solo and Chewie aren't always in the Falcon and so forth.

[Intimidator]

Hi to all ,


Am home now , for good. Was released today from pris......Care Centre http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif and only need day time care for the next couple of months (walking is still a bit painfull)


I wanted to wait with my return on the SEIV form and comunity but when I saw the post from Outcast I had to respond ...........

Because Outcast , the most you described above, is already done and ready for play in my : ' Star Wars : Rebellion Mod '

All the Heros have bonuses regarding to the character or role, (example : Leia has some good Intell bonus due to her diplomatic knowledge and experience / Chewie has some extro repair abilities..... etc etc)

And indeed I also added the special ship tech's.
(Falcon with torpedo mount and smuggling bay , and Vaders Tie-fighter and offcourse Slave - I etc etc)

So please give me a few more days (really need an canon star wars map) and I will put it on the web.

Inti,

[Suicide Junkie]

Strategia_In_Ultima said:
That would be a good idea, however there is no way that you can mod SEIV to start with ships.

Scenarios.
You can't start with ships on a standard new game, but a scenario will let you start with anything legal, and if you jump through some hoops, even start with things that cannot be built.

[Atrocities]

I forgot to ask, Intimdator did you want the models for the Imperial ships? I have only made about nine ships thus far, no fighters or other. I have not done much with the Rebel ships yet, other than the one posted.

If you could kind of, as time permits, give me a list of ships that you would like made, I will try my best to do so. Otherwise I will work on the set as I get time and the occational inspiration. Not much you can do with wedged shaped ships.

[Intimidator]

Yes, I can use your ships. Let's meet at MSN soon, so we can discus it. (and I can give you the beta-mod)

Inti,

[Atrocities]

OK, sounds good.

[Kana]

If you need ship models for Star Wars I might be able to scare up a few...Also I assume you have resource materials or a website that has tech, ship, weapon, etc info?

Kana

[Atrocities]

The Empire Is Coming!!!!! RUNNNNNNNNNNNNNN!

http://www.astempire.net/display/sw/sd6.PNGhttp://www.astempire.net/display/sw/sd7.PNGhttp://www.astempire.net/display/sw/sd8.PNGhttp://www.astempire.net/display/sw/sd9.PNG

[Kevin Arisa]

These ships are beautiful, Atrocities. If you make rebels, republic, trade fed, whatever, you can be assured I will download it. Heck, so will just about everybody else. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/cool.gif

[Fyron]

Are you going to make some SW III era pre-Star Destroyers for low tech ships? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[Atrocities]

Thanks Kevin. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif


Imperator Fyron said:
Are you going to make some SW III era pre-Star Destroyers for low tech ships? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif



I made a couple of prototypes of them already. I want to fiddle with them some more. They only had three or four types prior to the Avenger Class. I still have to make the super stardestroyer class, death star, and other ships. Bases, try to make fighters, transports, try to make troops - albeit those could come from somewhere else and look far better than I could ever make them look.

[Kana]

I have force commander, I wonder if there is someway to drag models out of it and use those for troops and atat's and stuff...Plus there is a new RTS coming out this year as well...

Kana

[Norlion]

Cool Beans! Great ships!

[Atrocities]

Norlion said:
Cool Beans! Great ships!



Thanks. I sent them off to Intimidator so I hope he can use them. When I have more time I will work on making more ships and hopefully produce a nice set for SEIV Deluxe.

[RazorSharp]

anyone have and can host andres star wars mod?

[cshank2]

Hm, Maybe make a 1kt (Or 0kt) Unit(or component/facility) and just name it Hero, or Commander, or something, and make it cost a lot of resources and have an ungodly build time (to reduce the 'spam' of it). That way, you'd be able to roleplay away from the main story line, and still be able to use Heros. It would also justify having more then one per empire.

[Intimidator]

Already did that,

Details will follow !!!!
soon !!!!

[Atrocities]

Stardestroyer

This took considerable time to do.
Well the lights don't show in this rendering size. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif But they are there. Click the attachment to see larger view

http://www.shrapnelcommunity.com/threads/uploads/362388-stardestroyerx.PNG
http://www.shrapnelcommunity.com/threads/uploads/362388-stardestroyerxmini.PNG

http://www.shrapnelcommunity.com/threads/uploads/362388-tiefighter.PNG

[Atrocities]

Fleet

[narf poit chez BOOM]

Neat http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

[Captain Kwok]

Very nice. Now where's the rest of them?

[Strategia_In_Ultima]

My Idea of a SW Fleet:

An SSD in the center of the formation, flanked by 5 to 9 SDs and some Nebulon-B frigates. Also some TIE Fighter squadrons flying around between them.

[Atrocities]

New Fighter Images
http://www.shrapnelcommunity.com/threads/uploads/362991-efg.PNG
http://www.shrapnelcommunity.com/threads/uploads/362991-ef1.PNGhttp://www.shrapnelcommunity.com/threads/uploads/362991-ef1m.PNG
http://www.shrapnelcommunity.com/threads/uploads/362991-ef2.PNGhttp://www.shrapnelcommunity.com/threads/uploads/362991-ef2m.PNG
http://www.shrapnelcommunity.com/threads/uploads/362991-ef3.PNGhttp://www.shrapnelcommunity.com/threads/uploads/362991-ef3m.PNG

[Atrocities]

Behold the mighty Super Stardestroyer

http://www.shrapnelcommunity.com/threads/uploads/363012-ex.PNGhttp://www.shrapnelcommunity.com/threads/uploads/363012-exm.PNGhttp://www.shrapnelcommunity.com/threads/uploads/363012-empfleet.PNG

[Atrocities]

I Revised the Tie Fighter a bit to make it look more like the ship in the movies. I think it came out nice.

http://www.shrapnelcommunity.com/threads/uploads/363018-tiefighter.PNG

[Strategia_In_Ultima]

The SSD is a little bit more elongated, and it has a small (very small) command tower somewhere on the rear. It is an exact copy of the standard SD command tower. Go to http://www.merzo.net/10mpp for the command tower.

Otherwise, looks very good!

[Atrocities]

More Fighters

http://www.shrapnelcommunity.com/threads/uploads/363035-tiebomber.PNGhttp://www.shrapnelcommunity.com/threads/uploads/363035-tieraider.PNGhttp://www.shrapnelcommunity.com/threads/uploads/363035-tiedefender.PNGhttp://www.shrapnelcommunity.com/threads/uploads/363035-tiescout.PNG

[Captain Kwok]

I'm curious to why you've given them a blue tint?

[Atrocities]

Because they are blue in the movies and I like the color.

[Atrocities]

Strategia_In_Ultima said:
The SSD is a little bit more elongated, and it has a small (very small) command tower somewhere on the rear. It is an exact copy of the standard SD command tower. Go to http://www.merzo.net/10mpp for the command tower.

Otherwise, looks very good!



The limitations of the 128x128 and 36x36 box prevent it appearing "like" it should. If only the 36x36 was 36x 46 instead... oh that would have been ideal.

[Atrocities]

I am not proud of this one, but I think it is the best I can do with what I have. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif

Which looks best?

http://www.shrapnelcommunity.com/threads/uploads/363056-ds.PNGhttp://www.shrapnelcommunity.com/threads/uploads/363056-ds2.PNG

[Intimidator]

hi AT.

The fighters look really great, and wanna use them.

But are you also gonna make some rebel-stuff ??

[Atrocities]

Hey Intimidator. How goes the healing process? Ya I will more likely than not make a rebel set as well. Right now I am just trying to figure out how best to make this Empire set. I know that most people will not use it, its not cannon enough, but that is ok. I am really making it just for my own personal use and if a couple of others download and use them then great.

[cshank2]

The Laser Array should be more sunken in, instead of the lines looking rippley going away from the center, they should look like rays going away from the main emitter. Overall, the second picture looks more like the original except for how much the array sticks out.

http://www.theforce.net/swtc/Pix/dvd/zs/anh/dsbeam4.jpg

There's a good pic.

[Iron Giant]

Fantastic! Thanks Atrocities and everyone else who constantly make my purchase of SEIV worth so much.

I can't wait to use the completed shipset(s). I'm hoping for a Republic clone set and a Seperatist set too.

[Atrocities]

Take Two.

I am not at all happy with these.

http://www.shrapnelcommunity.com/threads/uploads/363134-ImDS1.PNGhttp://www.shrapnelcommunity.com/threads/uploads/363134-ImDS2.PNG

[narf poit chez BOOM]

Darken them, bigger texture...Might help.

[cshank2]

I think the main problem with the array is the ridge you have running along the edge of it, it's too thick. Make it thinner and lower and it should look better. Also, a TINY ridge around the center line, like a ring, not so the center is elevated, would look better.

But out of those last two, the left one has the proper shape, whereas the right one has the perfect texture...


Good job on all the other ships though!

[Atrocities]

Look, I can not do anything about the dish. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif I have to find a work around or scrap the idea all together and go with someone elses 3d model. That will suck as it will ruin the continuity of the set. I Am thinking about the first one from above with some PSP tweaking.

[Suicide Junkie]

What if you copy and scale down the whole cannon structure there...
Place the small copy in the middle of the indentation, and fade the radial lines out a bit?

That, plus some rounding off on the faceted perimeter of the whole thing should get it looking pretty close to the movie screenshot there.

[Atrocities]

All I can really do is ask that someone with a lot more skill than I do that. I would be happy to render a larger image and several cannon types if I could get someone who knows how to use PSP or PS.

The thing also needs the center equater section made more appearant.

If any one is interested PLEASE LET ME KNOW. Thanks.

[Suicide Junkie]

All you'd have to do is grab the circle-selection tool, pick off the dish, and hit copy / paste... then reduce to about 15% and drag it to the middle of the existing dish.

Take a black brush, and zoom way in to just simply shave off the faceted edges on the perimeter.
The portrait looks like it has about 16 sides instead of being a circle at the moment, because of the inherent issues with meshes that don't have insane numbers of polygons in them.

[narf poit chez BOOM]

I once got 300,000 poly's to display in Wings3d. On the other hand, the frame rate was about 1/sec.

[Atrocities]

Recolored Fighters

http://www.shrapnelcommunity.com/threads/uploads/363262-tf1.PNGhttp://www.shrapnelcommunity.com/threads/uploads/363262-tf2.PNGhttp://www.shrapnelcommunity.com/threads/uploads/363262-tf3.PNG

[Captain Kwok]

The re-colour looks good here, but what if you just increased their brightness slightly? They might be too dark on a black background.

[cshank2]

Hm, only problem I see with the fighters is that there's a hatch on the top of the ball area... if I remember right.


But that's a moot point http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif Great job Atrocities, and I hope I didn't sound TOO demanding with the deathstar criticisms.

[Zaamon]

Yes. There supposed to be hatch on top of ball. I didn´t spot it first. Those fighter aren´t so good without that hatch. And remember that they have Twin Ion Engines. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

[Fyron]

That is just being nit-picky. You could always make your own shipset if you do not like them.

[Captain Kwok]

Good stuff. Have you started making any of the troop images yet? I'm looking forward to seeing your version of Imperial Walkers. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif

[Heretic]

Hi Inti!

Hey let me at first congratulate about being out of hospital. I hope you really regenerate fast and completely. We have all missed you!

Now for "business"
Do you have thought about installing the Imperial Gunboat,Missileboat, Lambda Shuttle and Scimitar Bomber as "shuttles", like the Shuttle class in Star Trek Mod?

They could serve as "warpcapable" vessels replacing the Drone class, as i do not remember any drones in the sense SE IV stock uses them in Star Wars ( okay there are the droid-capsules as used on Hoth ).

The motto could be : stronger than fighters, faster than capital ships or something like that .

One has to think about something adequate for the rebels then, but perhaps they could be allowed to have their fighters go warp instead.

Will you make something out of the New Jedi Order Timeline too? As the Yuuzhang Vong might be a really tough one enemy to all others in the SW universe.....

[Atrocities]

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[cshank2]

Very nice Avenger!

Hm, about the shuttle thing, in the Star-Trek MOD, the shuttles act like fighters. To really get a warp capable one, you'd have to use a lambda shuttle as the portrait for, say, an Escort or frigate. (*hopes fighters can use warp points in SEV*)

[Atrocities]

Good point about the shuttles. Will address at some point.

Star Wars Set (http://www.astempire.net/NASY/imperial/Imperial.htm) A work in progress.

[Strategia_In_Ultima]

IIRC (don't know if this is still a feature), you can create your own vehicle types in SEV. You can make non-warp-capable Ships, warp-capable Fighters, Bases that can be carried as cargo etc. That would be ideal for sci-fi mods like the SW and ST Mods.

[Emperor Fritsch the Dense]

Frankly if you tell me your also making a AI for your mod, you could draw the pics with a crayon and id still love it. Please please make a AI with this set omg. Id do it myself to use with another SW mod i have but my skills are lacking!

[Atrocities]

You would have to ask Intimidator about the AI for the star wars mod.

The Imperial ship set, once completed, will have stock Gold AI included.

[Atrocities]

First Attempt at an X-Wing and X-Wing Advanced, X-Wing ARC-200

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[Intimidator]

I wish I was able to make an AI , just created some mod when I was in the hospital...

Its not perfect but really fun for multiplayer. (played 3 games already)

But still need canon Star Wars map, with this mod. (have some unique ruine traits, for some induvidual planets.
So TO ALL PEOPLE still in possesion of that old map , please send it to me ???????????? (PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE)

Inti

[Heretic]

Äh!
Inti what do you mean exactly by canon star wars map?

I do have one map from the revised core rulebook of the d20 star wars roleplaying game. This one is really neat. I use it to produce a map for SE IV. That one i can send you!

Btw how do you want to design the map?

I mean if you take a look at the star wars galaxy it is difficult inho to reproduce that in SEIv with one star per sector map, because the planets in those sectors are not orbiting the same sun but each has it´s own system.....

I thought a big deal about that and came up with the idea of creating a map where all ( or at least what i take for all) planets of a sector, which is shown by that map of mine, do have a star for their own. That makes of cause such devices as solar generators and thelike much more efficient, but i think i have a more accurate picture of the star wars galaxy. I named the warppoints after the trade lines, so eg.ermillian trade spine, going somewhere from the outer rim through bespin sector to the core worlds.....

So whats your idea abou that map?

Heretic aka annika

[Heretic]

Hey Inti!

guckst Du hier!

http://www.nav-computer.com/

[Heretic]

I think this is exactly what you want!!!!!!

[Intimidator]

Indeed, It is exactly what I want, I even used it already to create an map of my own. But due to lack of time it will not be finished shortly.

But I understand that you did some mapping of your own , please send me what you have...... I added my map with this message......

Inti,

[Heretic]

Send you a mail!
http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Atrocities]

How about an update on the progress of the mod Intimidator?

[Intimidator]

uueehhhhh.......... okay,

Never felt ready for it , but maybe it's time to put something on the web.
Mod-structure is still a bit of a chaos, but the general idea will be clear.

On this moment, some people are starting to help me with an SW-map (needed for the mod : planet-unique-techtrees)

So will see in to it right away,

Inti,

[Intimidator]

New Try......

[Intimidator]

Okay, it worked.

So the Star Wars Rebelion Mod (Beta) is now available.

Inti,

[Heretic]

Hi Atrocities!
Did the mail with the pictures i sent reach you?
My outlook makes since satruday some really weird things.....

[Fyron]

Can you please post a concise summary of the mod for inclusion on Malfador's SE4 mods listing page?

Is this meant as the next generation of Andres' SW Mod, or a different mod entirely? If it is meant as a different mod, could you please use a distinct name for the archive (SWRebellionMod would do nicely) in the future? It would make it easier to keep track of things. Thanks.

[Atrocities]

Hertic, no I have not received any emails from you. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif

[Intimidator]

Imperator Fyron said:
Can you please post a concise summary of the mod for inclusion on Malfador's SE4 mods listing page?

Is this meant as the next generation of Andres' SW Mod, or a different mod entirely? If it is meant as a different mod, could you please use a distinct name for the archive (SWRebellionMod would do nicely) in the future? It would make it easier to keep track of things. Thanks.




Will do that in the near future, but the mod isn't far from okay..........yet !!!

It's meant as an different mod and not an scifi-crossover, but I didn't make a secret of it that it's based on Andres his mod....... But indeed the name wil be 'STAR WARS REBELLION MOD'

Inti,

[Heretic]

i knew it!
Darn Outlook!

Okay here i come again!

I asked you weather you could do me a favor.
There are some pictures/scans i took out of a german SF serial
which thought to be really good looking, plus 3 picturs of my own. As you will see when you open them and especially mine i am no good at 3d painting and drawing. So i asked weather you could take these and try to work on them to make some seIV ships out of them.

As i du not know how much work and efforts that mean i asked you to deny my "request" at any time.

Especially the Space Jets i found worthy of being converted.
I will put them as attachment here, so perhaps you could dl them.

Okay i sent you another mail to !atrocities astnet dot com!

[Atrocities]

Hey Heretic, could I get you to resend those images but in a zip file? My email service won't allow me to open so many attachements. Unless they were in the attachemnt you posted.

[Atrocities]

I guess we know where ILM got the idea for those DROID ships in EP II. I think copywrite infringement is the word I am looking for.

There are a lot of images in this attachement and I am not really sure which ones you wanted me to try and duplicate. If you could include JUST the ones you want me to work on, first, in a seperate zipped email or attachment that would ideal.

Thanks

[Heretic]

Okay here comes the first one!
in this zip i put the fighters!

you see that the Khrat Class and the Phoenix Class are just 2D. Simply i have no talent for this 3D stuff( Gunstar was the exception). The Phoenix Class fighter i had in mind was slighty curved, meaning that the fighter has his back lower than the cockpit and nose.

[Heretic]

Here is the second one with the space jets and the minor globe class ships. I tried and search for the bst pictures, those that are allready somhow 3D or spherical. The minor Globe with the Tortuga class goea for both the Space jets and this 200m Tortuga Class capital ship.

The fighters and the space jets would be "my" first chioce for being converted.

[Emperor Fritsch the Dense]

Could you provide a link for DL this mod?

[Captain Kwok]

Intimidator had it listed a few posts back:
http://www.shrapnelcommunity.com/threads/download.php?Number=366045

[Emperor Fritsch the Dense]

You rock bro, thanks.

[Heretic]

So here comes the third zipfile for you Atrocities!

The files in here are capital ships.

When you have the time you could probably convert them.

There are some 2D pictures and some of them "quasi" 3D

My absolute Favorite is the ODIN.

In some blueprints you could find other Sphereships or "kugelraumer" as they are referred to in Perry Rhodan..

Perhaps you could make something out of them too...

Anyway, i thank you very much for even considering doing some work on these pirctures and blueprints.

[Colonel]

Just a thought but is this mod ready to be play tested as in PBW, and is someone planning to upload it over there. I'm dieing to play a game on this mod.

[Intimidator]

Sorry, but NO......

Give me a few more weeks, and I will post a new version.
However, I still need some playing time with this game to test some stuff. So if you are interested we could start an PBEM-game........ So let me know, and maybe there are more people interested ??!!

Inti,

[Colonel]

Intimidator said:
Sorry, but NO......

Give me a few more weeks, and I will post a new version.
However, I still need some playing time with this game to test some stuff. So if you are interested we could start an PBEM-game........ So let me know, and maybe there are more people interested ??!!

Inti,



That would be good(although I dont know how PBEM works, as for if people are intrested, most likely anyone of the posters in this thread would be willing to play.

[Heretic]

What about a small PBW with just 3 or 4 testers inti?

I would like to join.....

[Intimidator]

Okay, I'll see we have 3 players now (1 Imperial , 2 Rebels)

For some practical (testing) reasons I will play the Imperials. The mod is balance enough when only played with two rebels...... but a 3th is always welcome.....

so the 2 of you (Heretic and Colonel) have to decide which rebel party they play.

Rebel Alliance : lots of heros
Mon Calamari : Larger ships
Bothan : better Intelligence

Let me know

Inti,

[Heretic]

i´ll take the Rebel Alliance Classical!

[Intimidator]

BTW. Heretic , did you made any progress on the map already?

Inti,

[Heretic]

No, sadly.
We had an emergency excavation here earby. Workers found some "ruins" when they dug out the basement of a newly to errect mall and when i came to investigate, it was worth the work to rescue as much as was possible during the weekend. So i will start with the map from monday on.

[Colonel]

I'll be the Mon Calamari,

also you were talking about a map, doesnt the mod already have a map, or are you guys trying to make a better one.

[Intimidator]

The mod included some maps, but they are far from finished.


But okay Colonel , you are the Calamari.....

To both of you, create an Emp-file, with 3000 racial points. and send it to intimidator5@hotmail.com

So if there is an 3th Rebel player (Bothan) interested, let me know asap..... otherwise I will creat the game after I got both the emp-files. ( Colonel, give me also an mail adress to where I can send the gameturns.)

Just to make sure that you both use the correct racial triats:

-Rebel alliance : Star Wars / Rebel / Rebel, alliance add
-Mon Calamari : Star Wars / Rebel / Rebel, Mon Calamari add

If questions let me know !!

Inti,

[Intimidator]

If someone wants to play as the Bothan, make sure you have uploaded an emp-file to me before tomorrow. otherwise I will start the game.

Inti,

[Colonel]

Inti, I thought I would tell you some errors in the mod, I was running a test on the Empire so most of these are for them.

First off, The advanced space yards which are supposed to lower the value of the planets in the system actually raise planets value.

The Empire's base called Space Dock I believe the ability you added acts as a space port for the system doesnt work.

I dont know if this one was by design or not but the Hyperdrive motivator acts like a space yard but has no production value, you might want to change it so it is just a repair bay type thing that repairs one componet per turn instead of space yard unless that was by design.

Also for some reason the Cloaking device is counted as an engine in the design screen.

Thats all that I noticed immediatly.

[Intimidator]

Will take a look at it, Thanks.

Inti,

[Intimidator]

Okay ,

- the spaceyards : you we're right. Think I forgot to add the minus http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif

- Imp. Spacedock : was an left over from the original SWii mod, Andres already wrote in the description that it would probably not work (and he was right) but I deleted it.

- Hyperdrive motivator : is also andres design , but as I can see it it was all by design. (but will try to figure it out, for now I left it the old way)

- Cloaking Device : same as above, not from my hand, but I think it is used for give the cloaked ship an movement penalty (otherwise I don't know, but will try to contact Andres)

But thanks, for the report.........

Inti,

[Heretic]

hi!

I wonder if it might be possible for the alliance to have that KDY Planet Defender Ion Cannon Mount for Planetary weapon plattforms available. The empire fired the engenner responsible for the design before they could evaluate the worthyness of the design and he defected to the rebels and gave them exclusive access to his cannon. Take in account that only 2 shots were sufficient to disable the Terror over Hoth one could sure assign a certain damage capacity.....

[Heretic]

Hey AT!

Haven´t heard of you for a while.
Would like to know if you have allready made any progress about the ship pictures i sent you....

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[Fyron]

You can use negative values for "improves planetary value" ability, but I do not believe negative system bonuses function. Also, planetary bonuses stack (add all of them that affect the planet together, including negatives), and system bonuses do not stack. You have the same affect with the happiness abilities: system happiness is positive only and one per system, planetary happiness can be negative and you can have as many as you would like to use.

The hyperdrive motivator is probably an emergency movement device, right? Such devices require the presence of a space yard in the sector to be repaired. So, giving it a 0 SY ability means it can be repaired, thus used once per turn. Personally, I would remove such devices because they are a huge hassle to use in PBW games. You have to remove all of the ships from the fleet and give them use component orders one by one...

Another possibility for the cloaking device having an engine ability is that it can now be targeted by anti-engine components. I recall much discussion over just how to implement ion blasters or whatever they are that just damages electronic systems.

[Intimidator]

Yes indeed Fyron , I recall an discussion on this forum about the hyperdrive motivator, you are right.

And with which reasons Andres designed the cloaking device as it is now, I don't know !! But I'm sure he had a point with it , so for now I will leave it this way !!

Heretic : I thought I read a lot of SW books. But since the last few days I know that you are much more informed about the SW-universe than I am !!!!!
So please give me some background info on what you meant with : 'KDY Planet Defender Ion Cannon Mount ' (KDY=Kuat Drive Yard ????/ I think)

BTW: Heretic and Colonel, My first Venator class star-destroyer is searching the galaxy for rebel-scum http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Inti,

[Heretic]

Galactic New Network reports critical situation in imperial health system:

As was known in public for long, the galactic empire stink. Due to the complete missing of any hygienic under Lord Vaders Hood the general health situation in imperial Fleet and Stormtrooper Divisions is dangerously critical. Many an imperial Trooper comments on this: "Why should i myself go washing if Lord Vader doesn´t" But taken into account that Lord Vader is a (please think of SITH and change the h in front of the i) Lord cast a complete different light onto this situation. Vaders often citated "Dark Side" of the force may be found better in the abyssmal depths of his own travel dixie loo. Ministry of Health and epidemic control will take care of the situation soon.
Therefore many a ship travelling the hyperlanes will be stopped and cleaned up exessively. Any disruptions of travel will be to excused!!!!!!

This is Galactic News Network, Good night!



To that Ion Cannon Mount:

I think of the Ion Cannon on Hoth. That is a KDY design from an ex engineer of KDY who defected to the alliance. I thoght it might be interesting in creating a special weapons platform mount for the rebels that will increase the damage and range of a planetary ion cannon system in such a way, that it might be able to cripple a star destroyer in 2 to 4 shots. Or evem better try and create a special tech for the rebels when you research weapon platforms Level III in which you give them a special weapom platform the "KDY Planet Defender Ion Cannon"

[Intimidator]

There is a whole ion weapon tech-tree, But indeed NO special rebel mount or something.

But, I played the game several times now, and it's possible to cripple an SD with the Ion's already in the mod. Also is it possible to destroy an SD with an group of fighters (with proton torpedos) if placed on the other side of an WP.

As I said before, the game is (mostly) balanced. But you need to play the Rebels as Rebels (hide, hit & run, hide again) until you can bring enough of your big ships to arms.

Inti,

[Colonel]

Remember besides hit and runs you can do sucidal runs ram the ship, should be a nice light show even if it doesnt destroy the enemy.

[Fyron]

Intimidator, I'll have you know that your mod ate 1.3 gigabytes of SEnet's bandwidth during the month of July. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/cool.gif

[Atrocities]

-=WOW=-

Some hungry Star Wars people out their.

[Seik]

Yes, here we are ... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

One question: will there ever be a single player version? I would love to play it!

Greetings
Seik

[Intimidator]

Imperator Fyron said:
Intimidator, I'll have you know that your mod ate 1.3 gigabytes of SEnet's bandwidth during the month of July. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/cool.gif





okay , like to hear that.
I'm back now from a much needed vacation, so will be working on the mod again and hopefully have an more final version ready in a few days.

And to you SEIK, I want to try it but never did it before, so be patient. first I will finnish the MP-version for PBW. And I will start working on an SP-version.

But as I said, never did it before and it could become a real PITA http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

Inti,

[Seik]

And to you SEIK, I want to try it but never did it before, so be patient. first I will finnish the MP-version for PBW. And I will start working on an SP-version.

But as I said, never did it before and it could become a real PITA http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

Inti,



Glad to hear that you plan a SP-version (after completing the MP-version). http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/smile.gif

One question:
Is it feasible/useable to play it with only two players (Rebels vs. The Empire)?

[Intimidator]

Seik said:


And to you SEIK, I want to try it but never did it before, so be patient. first I will finnish the MP-version for PBW. And I will start working on an SP-version.

But as I said, never did it before and it could become a real PITA http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

Inti,



Glad to hear that you plan a SP-version (after completing the MP-version). http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/smile.gif

One question:
Is it feasible/useable to play it with only two players (Rebels vs. The Empire)?




Yes, That is possible , just use all the rebel-traits when making your empire (alliance / Calamari /Bothan).
But I tried to ballance the mod a bit, so it would be very easy for the empire when the Rebel are starting with only 1 planet....... They really need 2 against 1 imperial starting planet.

Inti,

[Seik]

That sounds good!
But how to setup the game (Empire 1 planet & Rebels 2 planets)?

[Heretic]

Hi !

Just to let you know, the work on that map as we have discussed inti is proceeding. I think i will need a week or 1 1 1/2 to complete it!

[Intimidator]

Perfect Heretic, good to hear.
I am working on a few minor races now : 2 x Hutt (tatooine and huttspace), Alderaan and Naboo. And am still adding some unique-planet-techs : Honoghr (Noghri), Kamino (cloning).

After that I think you will be ready with the map, and I will make that version available and will ask PBW to add it!
And in the next version I will add a few more races : Sullustan, Hapan, Ssi'Ruuk..........

Inti,

[Intimidator]

Seik said:
That sounds good!
But how to setup the game (Empire 1 planet & Rebels 2 planets)?




I not possible , but you can create a game with 1 empire and 2 rebels with both of them all the rebel-traits. And let them start in same system, and just let one of them surender to the other.

But again , mod is far from SP.

Inti,

[Atrocities]

Sp will take a lot of effort. You have to basicially build the AI from scratch to use the new components, facilities, and such. The one thing the AI does well is not understanding what it needs to do well.

[Intimidator]

Yes I know, figured that out already a long time ago.
That't the reason I know/think I will not be able to do it, But I 'only' got 41 requests the last month to make an single player version. So I think it is 'polite' to at least try it !!!!! isn't it ????? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Inti,

[Heretic]

As told yesterday, my work on that map crashed completely. I have to start new. Will take about 1 1/2 weeks!
http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/mad.gif

[Emperor Fritsch the Dense]

So is the mod complete? I havnt had a chance to check up on this wonderful bit of code lately.

[Intimidator]

AAAARRRGGHHHH, the mod............

Not forgot it but wasn't able to anything about it due to WORK http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif (to much overtime and to F***ng tired........)

[Atrocities]

Mods consume a lot of time but their worth it in the end.

[Intimidator]

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[Atrocities]

Is this the full mod or just a patch?

[Intimidator]

you are fast,

[bearclaw]

I get a Permission Error when trying to download the update. Says I don't have the correct permissions as well as a 404 error.

[Intimidator]

Here it is, the latest update (full-version) of the Star Wars Rebellion Mod v1.03

Inti,

[Intimidator]

BTW. I splited the Rebel Alliance in 3 factions.

Rebel Alliance (lots of hero's)
Mon Calamari (bigger ships)
Bothan (stronger Intelligence)

And because of the fact that my mod starts 10 years after RotS, it is possible to get 'Obi Wan' and 'Yoda' hero-components (both still alive in this period)

Also added a lot of characters from the 2 major triologies:
Grand Admiral Thrawn
Admiral Daala
Tol Sivron
Dr Wqi Xux
And the Noghri. (unique planet trait)

another unique planet trait is Kashyyyk, which gives the Rebel player Wookiee groundforces....

But (please) see for your self...........
(I still need that d*mn*d SW map, so if someone has one or wants to make one http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif )


Inti,

[Intimidator]

Also Available on SENET !!!!! (And Bump !! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif )

[FadingSuns6100]

Im having problems with the star wars v1.03 mod, I keep getting a box at the end of the turn saying AI General Settings Errors, and I was wondering when you play this game, does the AI play against you, or do you have to play with another person, or what am I doing wrong here hehehe.
Please I need help, Im dying to play this Mod.