New MP Game - Random, Anonymous, No Diplomacy

[PashaDawg]

Yay! I am off to Chicago.

Thank you to Alneyan for filling in while I am away (and for getting the game started)! A fun thing is that he and I can chat in secret about the game knowing who is who. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

Have fun.

Pasha

[Alneyan]

Another fun thing is that I can accept brides to reveal who is who, while laying all the blame on Pasha, so feel free to bid to know who your neighbours are, where they are, and what Pretender they use. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[Jurri]

Alneyan said:
I can accept brides to reveal who is who

Now that's one horny bachelor!

[Alneyan]

Well, I have nothing against brides I guess, but I'd prefer a straight bribe.

[Huntsman]

OK, I've never played PBEM so tell me if I did this right. I unzipped, played my turn, and sent my [nation].2h file back to Alneyan. Look about right? thx

[The Panther]

Thats all there is to it.

[Goblin]

Ok time for the Newbie questions: It says I don't have heroes1_2.dm

I have 1.1 of the heroes mod, but can not find the 1.2 version - can someone point me in the right direction?

Goblin.

[Huntsman]

Goblin said:
Ok time for the Newbie questions: It says I don't have heroes1_2.dm

I have 1.1 of the heroes mod, but can not find the 1.2 version - can someone point me in the right direction?

Goblin.



Take a look here (http://www.shrapnelcommunity.com/threads/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=358700&page=0&view=collap sed&sb=5&o=&fpart=1)

[Goblin]

Thanks Huntsman - where does the .tga file from the download go?

Goblin

[Cainehill]

Yep - Turin updated the attachment in the first post, so that lead post has progressively had the attachment for 1.0, 1.1, and currently 1.2 of the mod, in the thread Huntsman points to, with a direct download via here (1.2 of the heroes mod) (http://www.shrapnelcommunity.com/threads/download.php?Number=358700).

[Cainehill]

Goblin said:
Thanks Huntsman - where does the .tga file from the download go?

Goblin



Just goes into the mods directory, same as the .dm file. (Some mods use their own subdirectories in dominions2/mods, but those are mostly ones that create a lot of custom unit graphics and whatnot.)

[Goblin]

Thanks - It's working

[Huntsman]

At this rate, we may see turn 5 by X-mas. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif C'mon, peeps, the game is on! The fun has begun! Play your turn already!

So when do we go to 48-hour forced hosting? hehe

[Alneyan]

A switch to 48 hours was considered after having gone on a server; I am reluctant enforcing a deadline for the first turn, as there can always be problems with mods and the like.

RonD made a very good point about the status mails: in this game, the players being late should be named, instead of naming their nations. That way, apologies can be made, or they can publicly ask for more information, and so on (it won't work in TCP/IP).

For this turn, you should contact me privately if you have any problem, like a missing turn file, mod problems...

[Cainehill]

If we're still waiting on _just_ one nation, perhaps you might use the master password to set the pretender / mage to research, and run the turn?

[Alneyan]

The turn has run, either shortly before or after your message; I was the one unexpectedly away for the day, but now it should be fine.

[PashaDawg]

Hi All:

I am back and can take over hosting at Alneyan's leisure.

Pasha

[Cainehill]

*sigh* And apparently we are once again waiting on someone, for turn two, something that should only take someone a minute or two at most.

This reminds me why I normally avoid 17 player games like the plague.

[PashaDawg]

I received the turn for only one player for turn 2. Perhaps, all others have been sent to Alneyan, and so, I have forwarded it to him.

Pasha

[Alneyan]

ALneyan here, not on my computer, so I'll keep it short (that thing will crash any second now): I cannot host anything right now, and won't get back online until tonight at the earliest, in a few days more likely. I'll see once I can get that network up and running.

THere's a problem here though, and a big one: one player told me I put the fatherland by mistake in one of the zip files... which is about the dumbest thing that can be done. I can't check right now, but if it is indeed the case, it may warrant a restart. If I could do it right now, I would probably restart the game and redo the whole turns 1 and 2, but that would be difficult with no stable computer under my hand.

[Huntsman]

Yup, the ftherlnd file is in the zip. Why is that bad?

[Cainehill]

Because with the fatherland, people can host a copy of the game for themselves. This lets them see exactly what independent forces there are, what magic sites are in provinces (example : run the game out 30 turns researching conjuration; then cast Akashic record on provinces, which then lets them know exactly where to search in the real game), etc.

[RonD]

I guess that solves the "all the turn 2 files were sent to Alneyan, but his computer is crashed" problem....

I would vote that Pasha generate a new turn 1 and send it to everyone.

[The Panther]

Not to mention that you can try a battle with several troop configurations to determine what you need to take down a nearby indy with minimal losses. You can also run the game out a while and eventually attack your (staling) neighbors capitols to see exactly what pretenders they are using. Nobody would do such a thing, right? I don't have that kind of time myself, but others might.

This game is jinxed. I see no choice but to start over yet again.

I also noticed that several people renamed their pretenders (like Mike, for instance). I wonder if some people already know who is Mike (I don't, but I know many people he is not). For all your newbies out there (and even some vets?), if you leave the pretender name blank when creating it by simply hitting 'enter', the game will assign a thematic name for you.

Yesterday, after I moved my computer into the new house, the darn thing no longer works. Talk about bad news for the ol' Panther!!! Hopefully, I will get back on line with my laptop on Wednesday evening if I cannot figure out what is wrong with my desktop computer.

Arrggghhhhh!!!!!!!

[Cainehill]

Yep - several of the pretender names aren't really default pretender names. So, do we also have to wait for those people to make new pretenders with proper default names, in which case we may see this start over in a few weeks?

[King Lear]

Wow, talk about jinx...

[Alneyan]

I have gone ahead and recreated a game (now at turn 2, hopefully turn 3 will come), without altering those Pretender names: those Pretenders with a specific name are only giving away information on themselves (though said information might be wrong), and the harm has already been done. So, unless you are willing to let them remake different Pretenders, little can be done about that; if Pasha does want to allow them to recreate Pretenders, the game will have to be restarted from scratch.

Forgot to add Pasha to my turn mail too... Pasha, I have "converted" all turn files for turn 1 to a new game, without the fatherland file running in the woods. As Cainehill wrote, getting *any* fatherland file for a game allows to search for all sites, find capitals and enemy Pretenders... but you would need the current fatherland to check out an enemy army without actually engaging it.

[Huntsman]

Ok, so I have the latest email with attachment. WHat do I do with it now? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Alneyan]

Remake a turn file and send it to Pasha if you feel you should make significant changes to it, or otherwise do nothing and wait for turn 3 (I already converted your turn 2 file to this newer turn 2 game).

Speaking of which... Make sure you do NOT use your previous .2h file, in any way or manner, as doing so could result in massive pain for you. Basically, if something has changed between your two order files (and things almost always change), it can result in things not working straight at all. So start over your turn file.

[The Panther]

Alneyan,

I am continually surprised by your abilites in getting these games going. Just this morning, I had visions of a complete new restart and another week or 2 to get RAND going.

Now I find that you saved all the turn files, recreated the entire game from scratch (making the old fatherland file worthless), loaded all the saved turn files into the new game, and hosted a turn without me having to do a single darn thing!!!

Holy Cow! We are nearly to Turn 3 instead of being a week away from turn 1!!!

Like I said, I am very impressed.


By the way, just use my same Turn 2 file as before since I am cut off from playing until Wednesday evening and I sure do not want to delay this game by maybe tweaking some minor thing or two. Only the mercs would be an issue (I didn't bid on any), and I don't recall seeing that anyone attacked blind on turn 1 (which would not transfer to the new game).

Any brave soul who previously attacked on Turn 2 should send in a changed turn for sure.


A Grateful Panther

[Shmonk]

That's great that we can restart so quickly. Not that I care so early in the game, but if we sent scouts out no Turn 1 of the last game, and you recreated the game, I'm assuming we have new start locations and any scout orders from turn 1 were canceled. Right? Just curious, because I'm still at work and wondering where I'll be when I get home to check if I want to resend my turn 2 or use existing.

[RonD]

Somehow or another, the new game has the same start sites.

[PashaDawg]

Hi All:

I am happy to keep going, but I don't quite understand what Alneyan did. But, it does not seem that I have all the turn files for all players yet.

A slightly confused Pasha

[Huntsman]

Why not just restart the game using the orginal pretender files? Seems to me like the best course of action since we're only on turn 2.

[Cainehill]

Except that it's taking a week a turn right now.

[Huntsman]

Alneyan, I decided to redo my turn just in case... I sent it to you because I don't know Pasha's email. Thanks for being the gracious host while getting this monstrosity off the ground!

[RonD]

If you reply to the last Turn2 email sent by Alneyan, it automatically will be directed to Pasha's email.

[Alneyan]

I will write Pasha's mail plain when I send the next turn, so that there won't be any such problems.

What I did for that turn 1 was take all your order files and recreate them from scratch; you stared at the same locations because I set all starting points the second time around.

[The Panther]

Well, I have to confirm that my motherboard appears totally dead after moving into my new house. I am hoping for a work-around with a borrowed laptop (for tomorrow when the cable is installed), but I will soon have to order me a new computer. My dead computer is about 5 years old, so I suppose it is time for a new one anyway. I do have a fairly new 19" flat screen monitor, so its not all bad!

*Sigh*

[PashaDawg]

Hello All:

If we could wait a bit (hopefully just a day), I would appreciate it. I just bought a new computer (a Mac), and the patch to 2.16 is not working. Ugh!

It appears that Illwinter might have made the patch with a program (iPatch) that itself was recently updated to work with the latest version of Mac OS X ("Tiger"). The older patches did not seem to use iPatch (or so it seems from searching the forum for help).

I have sent emails to Illwinter and the folks at iPatch for help. We will see what happens.

Thanks. Sorry for the continued delay.

Sorry to hear about Panther's computer. I got this new Mac a tad earlier than intended, because my old Dell laptop died just last month.

Pasha

[King Lear]

Pasha, since I use a mac too, I may have a solution for you.

I also had trouble upgrading. Check the permissions on your dominions exe (command i to get info). Possibly the trouble is that its permissions are set to read only. Changing that to read and write might work for ya.

If not, try re-installing (which you may have already done), and checking permissions again, and then running the patch again. If none of these work, your luck will be considered worse then mine.

Panther, too bad your pretender didn't make it in the team game. So sad to see a godling die so young.

[Alneyan]

Pasha, I can keep on hosting (if my own computer doesn't bit the dust again) if your own problem cannot be easily solved.

[PashaDawg]

Hi Alneyan:

Boy! Am I glad you're around!!! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

Let me see what responses I have from the Support Gods when I get back from work tonight. I am getting all the emails, and if necessary, I can forward them to you.

Thanks.

Pasha

[PashaDawg]

King Lear said:
Pasha, since I use a mac too, I may have a solution for you.

I also had trouble upgrading. Check the permissions on your dominions exe (command i to get info). Possibly the trouble is that its permissions are set to read only. Changing that to read and write might work for ya.

If not, try re-installing (which you may have already done), and checking permissions again, and then running the patch again. If none of these work, your luck will be considered worse then mine.

Panther, too bad your pretender didn't make it in the team game. So sad to see a godling die so young.



King!! I will try that when I get home tonight from work. It's good to know there is a fellow Mac user around (especially that I just started using a Mac yesterday). http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

[PashaDawg]

Yay! King - - you're the man! It worked. Whew!

So, I will endeavor to get my act together tonight for hosting the monster game!

Thanks.

P.S. The Shrapnel Team proposed the same solution within 5 mintutes of my inquiry this morning. Wow! Great service!

[Huntsman]

PashaDawg said:
It's good to know there is a fellow Mac user around (especially that I just started using a Mac yesterday). http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif



What's a Mac? (joke) http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

[Hubris]

[b][i]Huntsman said:
What's a Mac? (joke) http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif



A Scottish immigrant?

[The Panther]

King Lear said:
Panther, too bad your pretender didn't make it in the team game. So sad to see a godling die so young.



Naw, he didn't really die, for he is immortal!

[RonD]

Hehe - the trash talk urge is so strong. We may not be able to talk about this game, but you can't keep us from talking up other games in this thread http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

Except - uh, oh dear - I"M NOT IN ANY OTHER GAMES!!!!!! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/rant.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/rant.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/rant.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/rant.gif

must not talk trash.....

[Huntsman]

Censored trash talk?

"Hey yo [beep]! I'm so sorry my [beep] just beat the snot out of your [beep] at [beep] province! My favorite part of the battle was when my [beep] cast [beep] and vaporized your [beep]! That was great! Oh, and thanks for the spoils--I always wanted a [beep], [beep], and [beep]!"

Hmmm.... maybe not.

[The Panther]

An update on my situation:

I bought a new computer and got it working yesterday. I then loaded Dominions and upgraded it. The comcast cable was also installed late in the afternoon and (after hours of effort on the phone with tech support) I was online at about 10 PM. I then found many of the necessary mods on the various sites.

However, I had at least one mod missing from every game I am currently playing. I don't recall which one I am missing in this game, but I will check when I get home from work today and look again for it.

I should be able to do my next turn this evening and help get this game moving once again.

[Shmonk]

Panther, tell us you didn't get a lowly Mac like Pasha did. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif

PCs are the only way to go. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

[The Panther]

I did not get a Mac. I did, for the first time, get the AMD processor intead of the Intel processor. I was also totally blown away by how cheap high-powered PCs have become, not having looked at the market for almost 5 years!

And in a display of strange marketing, it was cheaper to get a monitor and printer (neither of which I will use but plan to resale in the original boxes) bundled with the computer. Because of the current rebate system, the manufacturers actually gave me $50 off the price of the CPU just to include the two peripheral items in the deal. Is this a great country or what?!?

[PashaDawg]

First of all, let me tell you that my new sassy MAC is rocking my world.

Nonetheless, I also have a PC with a AMD processor at my office, and it works great. (I also had that experience that it was cheaper to buy the computer with a monitor and a printer. The monitor I use. The printer is still in the box. Would you like to buy it, Panther?)

I know of another computer with an AMD processor. I SPILLED COFFEE into it. After 2 days, it was dried out and still works like a dream.

[PashaDawg]

Hi All:

There is at least one player who was adversely affected by Alneyan's "recompilation." I would hate to say it, but would it make sense to do a fresh restart so that no one would be disadvantaged?

Pasha

[Sedna]

I can't see how a restart would be a good idea. New random events in a restarted version would be worse for some other players-- surely they would then also demand a restart-- ad infinitum?

This game has already taken a long time to get going.

[Cainehill]

Unless I'm mistaken, about the worst that could have happened was that they missed a turn recruiting because they had a bid for a mercenary that was no longer available, or a hero showed up and wasn't set to research or whatnot.

Either way, it's a trifling setback such as many players have had to deal with when staling on turn 2. I'd strongly advocate continuing onward.

That, or they got a bad random event the second time around - but restarting is just going to mean a chance that someone else gets a bad event, when they didn't before.

[PashaDawg]

I simply raise the issue. If the majority of players would like to continue, I am all for it. Still waiting for turns from 3 players.

[Shmonk]

I'm of no opinion. While I'd like to keep going, restarting if the concensus is to restart is fine too (as long as the restart is immediate and turns are set to 25h host or deadline to speed things up).

But you're still waiting on 3 players anyway? I'm hoping that whatever happens, this gets down to a steady schedule sometime this weekend.

[PashaDawg]

What is the desired hosting schedule? 24h? 48?

[PashaDawg]

I am currently waiting on the following players:

GriffinofBuerrig
The Panther
Bill Paxton

[Cainehill]

And Panther's having computer problems, Griffin's away and his brother apparently doesn't know about this game, and Bill apparently didn't read his mail last night when you sent the status mail.... *sigh* Wonder if we'll get 5 turns by Christmas.

[The Panther]

I am back up and running. I sent in my turn. How long is griffin away?

[Goblin]

My vote would be to continue and to look at 48hr turn around. I am in Oz so the time zone is quite different and it would be nice to be able to go away on weekends while the game is going and not miss 2 turns.

Provided adversely affected does not mean that they lost their pretender... that would be just to much at this stage of the game.

Regards,
Goblin.

PS: This is going to be a huge game and very interesting given all the unknowns - it will be worth the time it takes I am sure.

[PashaDawg]

Hello All:

"Adversely affected" meant that his armies were set to attack a specific province. In the original game, the defending province had a weak defense. In the renewed game, the defenders were knights. So, his army was destroyed.

Does anybody know who Griffin's brother is? I could contact him directly, perhaps?

Mr. Paxton read his email, but he forgot to attach his .2h file to the email. I replied requesting the file.

Pasha

[Cainehill]

While that is rough, we all did have the opportunity to send in an updated turn file for turn 2. If I'd had orders to attack, I most certainly would've looked at changing the orders.

Guess what really bothers me is that the new turn was sent out 2 days ago, and today the person notifies that he was so adversely affected. *sigh* Doomed, we're all doomed! "No turns til ... Christmas!" (Sung to the tune of Beastie Boys "No sleep til Brooklyn")

Oh - Griffin's brother posts as, mmm, Hacker Pschorr or something like that.

[PashaDawg]

I've inquired with Alneyan to see if he knows how to get in touch with Griff's brother.

[Cainehill]

Try
HackerPschorr (http://www.shrapnelcommunity.com/threads/showprofile.php?Cat=&User=6963&Number=359847&Board =Dom2MP&what=showflat&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o =31&fpart=2&vc=1)

[PashaDawg]

Ok. I sent him a PM this morning.

[Huntsman]

PashaDawg said:
"Adversely affected" meant that his armies were set to attack a specific province. In the original game, the defending province had a weak defense. In the renewed game, the defenders were knights. So, his army was destroyed.




That's unfortunate but we were all warned about the possibility of "bad things" happening if we didn't redo the turn. Sorry to be harsh but that's the way the cookie crumbles.

I also vote for 48 hour hosting, with notification script, if possible. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[RonD]

I am also against another restart (and for the same reason as huntsman).

Could Pasha play Griffon's turn? I would have no problem with that. Even if he just recruits a researcher, that's better for Griffon than a stale.

[PashaDawg]

I would be happy to play Griffin's turn, since no one is stepping up to play for him. I have not received a response from his brother.

I am still waiting for Bill Paxton to send my his .2h file for turn 3. I sent him another reminder.

[Cainehill]

Might I suggest that you take Bill's turn as well, if you don't get one by a reasonable time this evening?

And in the future, if people don't get their turns in, perhaps just let them stale - you can't be forever doing people's turns, especially as the turns get to be more complicated than simply buying a researcher and setting the previously bought mage to research.

[PashaDawg]

You're absolutely right, Cainehill... if I don't get a turn from Bill tonight, I will play his turn tomorrow. Then, I would suggest a 48-hour-ish schedule for hosting in the future. Let's get this game going!

[PashaDawg]

Ok. I played Griffin's and Bill's turns this morning, and hosted for turn 4. You will all receive your turns soon by email.

Pasha

[GriffinOfBuerrig]

Huhu, i am back!
*chopafatz*

[PashaDawg]

Hello All:

I have everyone's turns, except King Lear. A friend was going to play the turn as a proxy, but the friend has not responded to any of my emails. So, I sent one last email. If I don't receive it by 10pm eastern time, then I will play the turn to prevent a stale turn for the King.

We gotta get this game moving!

Pasha

[RonD]

"We gotta get this game moving!"

Indeed. I would suggest that you set a fixed hosting time. If a turn isn't in, then go ahead and let them stale. After all, that's what would happen if we were on a server.

[Cainehill]

Yeah - it's a little different if they contact you and ask for more time, but otherwise.... I know some people like PBEM games because they don't necessarily stale, if the host delays things for them, but with 17 players I suspect we'll never get anywhere if we delay everytime someone doesn't get their turn in.

(And since it's 48 hour schedule, and the Pasha is sending out status emails, and turns should only take 5 minutes right now.... People ought to be able to get their turns in.)

[PashaDawg]

I will wait until 10 pm Portland time. Then I will host.

[Cainehill]

It's 10:05 Portland time! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[PashaDawg]

Eager beaver! Turns will be along soon. I got distracted.

[RonD]

C'mon Cainehill - he's a lawyer. Surely you don't think he was ambiguous about *which* Portland by accident?

[PashaDawg]

Ok! The new turns have been sent.

The deadline for this turn is Wednesday, August 10, 2005 at 10:00 pm (Portland, Maine time).

[Goblin]

Hi all,

I am looking for someone to play one - possibly two turns for me as I am going away for a long weekend (Thur to Sun). Unfortunately due to being in a different time zone 10pm Wed is about 12 mid day on Thursday for me - by which time I will have already left and highly doubt I can get internet access where I am going.

I can give detailed (and short) orders for my turns but due to being a Newbie don't have anyone to submit them. So do we have anyone who would be so kind?

Regards,
Goblin.

[PashaDawg]

Hi Goblin:

You might inquire with Dragonfire11 by sending him a PM. He might sub for you, and he is a lawyer like me... so you know that he is ontologically incapable of screwing up your life. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

Pasha

[BillPaxton]

I'm going AI already. This is because I attacked an independent with 20 hoburgs, but then the old host changed something and 20 hoburgs turned into about 30 knights and other. I lost my entire force. In a game where research is this hard, I cant bounce back with the loss of my starting 400 gold. Sorry to quit on you guys, I was looking forward to this game http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif I still dont understand why we just didnt restart, it was the 2nd turn

[PashaDawg]

Sorry to have Bill leave us.

So... I have asked Dragonfire11 to jump in as a substitute. We will see.

Pasha

[Goblin]

If Dragonfire11 steps into the game maybe I shouldn't ask him to submit for me...

Goblin

[Shmonk]

Bill -

You really should stay and try. It's not that big of a loss in the 2nd turn. In my 2nd MP game, I practically lost my Pretender on the 2nd or 3rd turn to a curse and getting FeebleMinded, with Indy 9. Having to wait for 5 or 6 turns to get him back up to being semi-usable didn't sound like fun, so I was going to quit. But I decided to stick it out and give it a try, and now I'm doing pretty well (Paradise Lost game as Arco). I would think if you didn't lose your Pretender, you're not that bad off. So you lost 400 initial gold and an army. You can still bunker down and have this be fun/learning experience for you. And if you ended being in the top 5, that would be cool, wouldn't it?

Just my 2 cents.

[PashaDawg]

Goblin said:
If Dragonfire11 steps into the game maybe I shouldn't ask him to submit for me...

Goblin



You're right! Since we are sooooo early in the game, I could probably follow your simple directions. We would not be playing very many turns while you were away.

We will probably need to play a turn before we have a sub for Bill Paxton. So, I will probably play that too just to keep things moving without stales or AI.

Pasha

[PashaDawg]

Hi All:

I just sent all players an email about this, but I will repeat it here because it makes me feel important. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Here is my proposed policy on stales:

In situations where a player will stale, I will open his/her turn to prevent a reported stale, because otherwise, it would give players clues on who is playing what. However, I will not play the turn. The overall effect will be a stale.

With Turn 5, it seems that there is some confusion with King Lear's substitute, who has not responded to any emails. So, I will play King's turn (but only because the game is young and there is little or no chance that I will run into other players). I can also play Bill Paxton's turn if necessary until we find a sub.

Obviously, I will not be able to act as a substitute later in the game because it would be unfair to other players (due to my omniscient-host-ontological-essence... you can refer to that as OHOE, if you please).

Pasha

[Cainehill]

Mmm - players don't see the stale, only the player who staled and the host can see that.

[BillPaxton]

Shmonk said:
Bill -

You really should stay and try. It's not that big of a loss in the 2nd turn. In my 2nd MP game, I practically lost my Pretender on the 2nd or 3rd turn to a curse and getting FeebleMinded, with Indy 9. Having to wait for 5 or 6 turns to get him back up to being semi-usable didn't sound like fun, so I was going to quit. But I decided to stick it out and give it a try, and now I'm doing pretty well (Paradise Lost game as Arco). I would think if you didn't lose your Pretender, you're not that bad off. So you lost 400 initial gold and an army. You can still bunker down and have this be fun/learning experience for you. And if you ended being in the top 5, that would be cool, wouldn't it?

Just my 2 cents.




I wouldnt have quit except research is so hard. The 400 starting gold is crucial in a game like that.

[Turin]

BillPaxton said:

I wouldnt have quit except research is so hard. The 400 starting gold is crucial in a game like that.



Care to explain?

400 gold less means ~4 less researchers. That meanse after 50 turns your research will be ~1200 rp less. That sucks, but doesn´t mean the game is over, especially if you get lucky and find sages.

Besides you don´t have to pay upkeep for those troops anymore. Judging from the hall of fame, it doesn´t seem as if your pretender died either, so you should be good to go.

And if you have a lucky 500 gp event you are as well of as you were at the start. Surely you don´t want to imply that getting 500 gp in the first few turns automatically wins games?

[PashaDawg]

Cainehill said:

Mmm - players don't see the stale, only the player who staled and the host can see that.



Really? Ugh! Well, slap my fanny and learn me some new poodle tricks! So, I can just let 'em stale? You guys won't see? I would swear I have seen other players' stale turns, but maybe it was always ME doing the stale-ing.

Pasha

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[Cainehill]

As they say in the security business - trust, but verify. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

Start a trial game with 4 human players, you playing them all. Do a couple turns for 'em all. Then only do one nation, and force the hosting. The next turn, each nation that staled should be told that they staled, but not that anyone else did.

[The Panther]

BillPaxton said:
I wouldnt have quit except research is so hard. The 400
starting gold is crucial in a game like that.



I would mention that the research is quite hard for everybody. Nobody is making fast progress, but that is the point of very hard research.

I would say that you ought to stay around. I can surely guarantee that it will be a learning experience for you. After all, the point is not winning (since 16 players won't win). They point is to enjoy playing. As somebody once said, you don't get anything for winning. And you also don't get anything for finishing second or even 17th!

[PashaDawg]

We might have a replacement. Please stay tuned. I will play the missing player's turns until we have the replacement.

[PashaDawg]

Turn 6 is up and out!

[Huntsman]

I'm going away for a long weekend too (Fri-Sun). So I'll need a sub as well if anybody is available. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Edit: Actually, I might not need a sub afterall considering turn 6 doesn't host until Friday and I suppose turn 7 won't host until Sunday night (10PM EST) then I'll still have time to take my turn as I'll be home well before that. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

BTW, Pasha, I'll be up in your neck of the woods. I'm going to a NH state campground with the kids for the weekend. We were planning on going one near Old Orchard Beach but I decided against it since we do the beach thing down here in RI plenty. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif So we're going to the woods instead.

[PashaDawg]

Hi Huntsman:

It's fine. We will shoot to host Turn 7 on Sunday night, but if you need a bit more time, I could host on Monday.

Have fun in New Hampshire, but watch out... they aren't right in the head over there. Strange folk! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Of course, in OOB, you'd be far outnumbered by French Canadians, and they see the world so darn differently, and they talk funny. On the other hand, you Rhode Island folk kinda talk funny, too. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Pasha

[The Panther]

PashaDawg said:
Turn 6 is up and out!



Pasha - For some reason, I do not have turn 6. Please re-send that to me.

Thanks,
Panther

[Huntsman]

PashaDawg said:
Hi Huntsman:

It's fine. We will shoot to host Turn 7 on Sunday night, but if you need a bit more time, I could host on Monday.

Have fun in New Hampshire, but watch out... they aren't right in the head over there. Strange folk! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Of course, in OOB, you'd be far outnumbered by French Canadians, and they see the world so darn differently, and they talk funny. On the other hand, you Rhode Island folk kinda talk funny, too. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif



Well, here's something scary: I'm 50% French Canadian and from Rhode Island! Chew on that accent!

Ok, no problem for me for Sunday night. I'll probably be back around 2 or 3PM and should be able to take my turn before 10PM. Depends on what the wife has in store for me... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif No, not that! I'm talking chores! Cut the grass, fix the walk, install the ceiling fan, etc... Doh

[PashaDawg]

The Panther said:

PashaDawg said:
Turn 6 is up and out!



Pasha - For some reason, I do not have turn 6. Please re-send that to me.

Thanks,
Panther



SENT!! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/smile.gif

[PashaDawg]

One player sent me a .trn file instead of the .2h file. So, I cannot host tonight. I sent the player a request for the correct file tonight. I will host tomorrow.

[Cainehill]

Peoples : "2H" stands for "To Host", the file you send to the person hosting the game.

[PashaDawg]

The player in question was very seasoned, and he has apologized for being so "supid." He will get me his file later today, because he is not near his computer right now. The turn will be hosted later today.

[PashaDawg]

WE HAVE A NEW PLAYER TO TAKE OVER FOR BILL PAXTON. HIS NAME IS TEAL. YAY!!!!!

HE HAS THE NECESSARY FILES AND HE WILL PLAY TURN 6.

NOW, ALL WE NEED IS KING LEAR TO SHOW HIS FACE AGAIN!

[teal]

Here I come to save the day! The glorious forces of *@#@@! will rise again from the ashes and spread their glorious white candles everywhere. What this you say, your candles are white as well? No, that can't be they are an evil and vile black and we will remove all oxygen from their flames and snuff them.

Happy to take over here and learn the ropes of Dominions 2. Here's wishing everyone a fun game!

Teal

[Cainehill]

Fun? This ain't about fun! This is about rooting out heretics, cleansing the unclean in rivers of blood with wire brushes. It's about burnings, putting peoples on crosses, tossing them down wells, razing temples, and making sure that virgins can't be used by the evil sorcerors of *@#@@! to perform their unholy rites.

Heh heh heh. Okay, that last bit can be kinda fun. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[teal]

Cainehill said:

Fun? This ain't about fun!



Ahh, learning more about Dom2 every day. Not about fun, check. I shall endeavor to do more of those things you mention, although my neighbors may complain about the screaming that results from all of them.

[PashaDawg]

Turn 7 is out!

Let's try to get another turn in this weekend since it is so early in the game. So, the deadline for this turn will be Sunday, August 14, 10:00 pm, eastern time (Portland, Maine time, which is the same time in Boston).

Pasha

[PashaDawg]

Hi All:

Turn 8 is out!

One player is going camping until early Thursday. So, I think we will host this turn on Thursday at 10:00 pm eastern time.

I am traveling to the Great State of Wyoming from Friday through Wednesday. I am happy to turn the hosting over to someone else as a substitute, or we could put the game on hold while I am away. (I have no more big trips planned for months.) Also, I am happy hosting the game manually, but if folks want to set this game onto a server, fine by me.

Pasha

[The Panther]

I will be gone over the weekend myself and welcome the delay. Also, the PBEM thing is working very well and I vote for keeping it just as is.

Have a wonderful time in Wyoming, which is the site of the finest natural park the world has to offer (Yellowstone).


Panther

[PashaDawg]

I am lucky to have a brother who lives in Jackson, just south of the Parks (Grand Teton and Yellowstone). http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

[Shmonk]

I guess I'm ok with PBEM, though I'd much prefer a server game if it goes quicker that way. Because we are taking over 3 days a turn, for the first few turns no less, which should take no more than 10 minutes or so. I guess my assumption that a game with every race would be fun, but because there are more people, it's a lot slower too. The pros and cons. And, it's summer time, so all the vacations have to be factored in too.

Oh well, maybe I'll go buy Dungeon Siege 2, just to have something to play. Doesn't look that bad...

[Huntsman]

I think for a game this size a fair pace would be 48 hour hosting, whether PBEM or server. BUt I'd wait until summer is over though so the vacations slow down some...

[PashaDawg]

Just waiting on Goblin.

[Goblin]

Ummm - I didn't get turn 8... but can do it very quickly if it is sent through. Sorry I was wondering why it was taking so long, but did check the last couple of posts to see it was already out.

Goblin.

[Goblin]

Ops - I did get it... Sorry all, it has been sent in.

Goblin.

[PashaDawg]

Turn 9 is out.

Turns due Wednesday, Aug 24 at 10:00 pm eastern time.

[Turin]

Can´t we move to a server with 48 hour fixed/quick hosting some time now? Pasha does a really good job hosting, but he can´t be online all the time and the current 2 turns/week pace is pretty slow.

[Cainehill]

It'd have to be fixed hosting, imo, else everyone is eagerly looking to see what nations are holding up the game, and then associate the nations with the players.

[Huntsman]

PashaDawg said:
Turn 9 is out.

Turns due Wednesday, Aug 24 at 10:00 pm eastern time.



Hmm, I didn't get the email. Maybe got sucked up by my spam filter... Can you please resend it? Thanks!

[Turin]

Actually 48 hour fixed hosting would be my favourite hosting schedule. You don´t have to worry about uploading a turn early and you always know when a new turn has arrived.
With 17 players we will usually take the whole 48 hours anyway, so there is not much point in hosting it quickhost style.

[WraithLord]

48 h fixed hosting is fine by me, it will certainly more then double the game's pace.

[GriffinOfBuerrig]

It is also fine for me!

[Whollaborg]

I am fine with forced hostin as well!

[Jurri]

Forced hosting's fine by me. I'd say play by mail has a lot of very good points, so if Pashadawg is agreeable in my opinion we should just set a forced hosting cycle and continue with PBEM.

[Cainehill]

But it should really be forced hosting - with 17 players, I doubt a week would go by without someone asking for a delay. The _bad_ thing about pbem is that people send the wrong files - though if people used good email programs like Pegasus that wouldn't be such an issue, since it keeps track of recent directories / files used for attachments. Hard to send the wrong file when the program shows the right file to send. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

Shame the latest versions of Thunderbird still don't have something like it - really makes PBEM games so much simpler.

[PashaDawg]

Hello! I am back. The Teton Mountains are impressive as ever. They were so craggy, I expected to run into Frodo, Gandalf, and the other members of the Fellowship during one of my hikes.

I am waiting for files from two players. One player might not have gotten his game file (I got a funky email message that said my email was rejected to four players, but the other three apparently got their files because they responded with .2h files???!!??)

The other player's file indicates that he had not "played" the turn. That happens every once in a while. Any ideas why? (It was a .2h file.) I have asked the player to send me the file as a zip. It only happens to his files. Hmmm.

Anyway, I have sent emails to the two players. I will host tomorrow night.

I now have no plans to travel for a while. So, 48h hosting schedule is fine with me. If the players want it to be strict, then I can make it strict. <Whip crack!!>

Pasha

[PashaDawg]

Ok. We are just waiting on Arkas.

I sent him an email yesterday. He is the player who might not have received my email sent out with turn files for Turn 9 on Aug. 19.

I just sent him a PM this morning.

If he does not respond by 10pm tonight (eastern time), I will host nonetheless.

I will also put the game onto a strict 48 hour hosting schedule (except that I would like the hosting to fall on a Sunday night and not a Saturday... we will tweek that later), but reserving the power to grant rare extensions of time according to the host's infalible discretion. I encourage players to find substitutes when necessary.

Thanks.

Pasha

[Jurri]

Yay, Pasha, you're the best! Thank you for the hard work! /threads/images/Graemlins/icon44.gif

[Huntsman]

Sunday night hosting would be good, especially for the late summer trippers in the US like me (3-day kayak trip coming up in September...!!). http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[PashaDawg]

I am happy with a shorter than 48-hour hosting schedule, if players get their turns to me quicker, but that I would not FORCE a host in shorter than 48 hours.

Also, on weekends, I will shoot to allow folks until Sunday night to get their turns to me, in case someone has a weekend trip.

Pasha

[The Panther]

What I would suggest is a fixed 3 times per week hosting schedule. That way, the players know exactly when to have their turns done and sent in. This was done in my massive Faerun TCP/IP game and it worked great AFTER they removed the QH option!

At least the players would then know when they must get a sub if they are gone too long. Or they could give our splendid and esteemed host (mumble, grumble, crumble, it is SO hard to say something nice about a lawyer) some rudimentary instructions, like perhaps recruit a mage, a few troops, attack province XYZ, build a library, etc.

I propose host times of Monday, Wednesday, and Friday at a late hour on the US East Coast (such as 9 PM). The biggest problem for active players in a huge MP game is not knowing exactly when the game will host, imho.

Obviously, we can skip a hosting or two anytime the host leaves town because his Maine clients are coming after him with a big stick.

[PashaDawg]

How about this:

Turns will be hosted on Sundays, Tuesdays and Thursdays, with player turns due to the host by 9:00 pm eastern standard time (USA), which is Boston time (and Portland, Maine time).

Oh... and I doubt that Panther the engineer had any real choice in praising the lawyer. He probably performed some calculus and the math just worked it's magic and proved that lawyers rock.

Pasha

[PashaDawg]

Turn 10 is out.

Deadline is Sunday, 9pm EST.

[RonD]

I agree with the fixed hosting schedule. To speed things up, I suggest we establish firm hosting deadlines as follow:

May
September
January

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[PashaDawg]

Smarty pants!

[PashaDawg]

Turn 11 is out!

Deadline is Tuesday, Aug. 30, 2005 at 9pm EST.

Pasha

[PashaDawg]

Turn 12 is out.

Deadline is Thursday, Sept. 1, 2005 at 9pm EST.

Thanks.

Hope y'all are having fun!

[RonD]

We are, but if we tell you about it, we have to kill you.

[GriffinOfBuerrig]

LOL, yes, ireally have fun, but it is impossible to make here feedback!

[PashaDawg]

Players can certainly direct comments about their hopes and dreams to the host by email. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[The Panther]

I did notice the difficulty of not speaking to your neighbors. Diplomacy is so ingrained in Dominions, it is very odd to play a game without it! I keep wanting to write a message to someone or anyone, assuring folks of my peaceful intent.

It is hard to know when a neighbor is being agressive towards you or is just paranoid. Every troop on your border is a suspected part of an invasion army. Every move must be carefully considered. Wars will be frequent, I would expect.

Certainly this is a real change of pace from the usual Dominions fare.

[Huntsman]

The Panther said:
I did notice the difficulty of not speaking to your neighbors. Diplomacy is so ingrained in Dominions, it is very odd to play a game without it! I keep wanting to write a message to someone or anyone, assuring folks of my peaceful intent.

It is hard to know when a neighbor is being agressive towards you or is just paranoid. Every troop on your border is a suspected part of an invasion army. Every move must be carefully considered. Wars will be frequent, I would expect.

Certainly this is a real change of pace from the usual Dominions fare.



Absolutely!

This is my 2nd "no diplo" game and it's very nerve-racking because you have no idea what to expect and there's nothing you can do to sway anybody's opinion/stance/etc when you run into situations that are cause for alarm. You can't just say "Hey, don't worry about my army in Province A because we're just moving to the indie over at B." or "Hey, I'm getting pounded on by Player X who is clearly the biggest threat on the board--could you give me a hand?!"

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/shock.gif

BTW, if somebody sees my army on their border don't worry! They're just admiring your landscaping.... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[RonD]

I miss the diplomacy side as well. A problem with "regular" MP dom2 is that almost everyone starts out by negotiating NAPs with every neighbor, expands a bit, then races for their endgame strategy.

I wish there was a halfway - but that would take a group change in playstyle.

[Goblin]

It's a jungle out there...

Goblin.

[PashaDawg]

AH... but the wise host is having a fun time... wage war for my entertainment. It's fun to see who is thinking about attacking whom.

[Cainehill]

I'm thinking about attacking the host.... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[Shmonk]

I would be willing to join in an alliance with you Cainehill, in attacking the host.

Oops, that's right, no diplomacy in this game. Doh!! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/shock.gif

[PashaDawg]

Back off bozos! I have the ultimate Password of Power!!!

[PashaDawg]

Turn 13 is out!

Deadline is Monday at 9:00 pm, EST

[PashaDawg]

PashaDawg said:
Turn 13 is out!

Deadline is Monday at 9:00 pm, EST




Oops... actually, according to our schedule, this turn should be hosted on SUNDAY and not Monday. Let's shoot for that.

[RonD]

I had posted about that - then deleted it because I figured you were taking the holiday weekend into account.

[PashaDawg]

Turn 14 is out.

Deadline is Tuesday, Sept. 6, 2005, 9:00 pm EST.

Pasha

[PashaDawg]

Turn 15 is out.

Deadlne is Thursday, Sept. 8, 2005, at 9:00 EST.

Pashadawg - - bow wow!

[GriffinOfBuerrig]

Pasha, you are the greatest!

[PashaDawg]

Danke!

[Huntsman]

Thanks Pasha! BTW, I'll be in your neck of the woods again this weekend for my annual kayak trip out on Muscongus Bay. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif Should be able to make it back home for Sunday's hosting. If I'm running late, I'll just stop in at your place and take my turn from there--I promise not to peek at everybody elses' (meager) empires! MUHAHAHAHAHA!

[PashaDawg]

Sounds like you'll have a fun time! The next hosting is on Thursday, so if you are able to play that turn before you leave, then you will have until Tuesday night to play the next turn after that.

[PashaDawg]

Greetings!

Turn 16 is out for your playing pleasure.

Turns are due on Sunday, Sept. 11, 2005 at 9:00 pm.

Pasha

[Huntsman]

Hmm, I didn't get the turn and I'm goin away for the weekend so I hope you get this within the next 30 minutes (i'm gettin tired!). Though I guess I should be able to take my turn before Sunday at 9....

[PashaDawg]

Hi Huntsman:

I sent a second time this morning. I once sent Panther's turn to myself. Ugh! But you turn was definitely sent to your email address. Maybe I am stuck in your junk folder. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Pasha

[PashaDawg]

Hi All:

There have been two instances where players' emails did not reach me due to mysterious technical reasons. So, I will set up an alternate email (gmail) address so that players can send emails to two different addresses in the future.

Thanks.

Pasha

[WraithLord]

PashaDawg said:
Hi All:

There have been two instances where players' emails did not reach me due to mysterious technical reasons. So, I will set up an alternate email (gmail) address so that players can send emails to two different addresses in the future.

Thanks.

Pasha


Many thanks Pasha, you're doing a superb hosting job.

[PashaDawg]

Thanks.

[Huntsman]

PashaDawg said:
Hi Huntsman:

I sent a second time this morning. I once sent Panther's turn to myself. Ugh! But you turn was definitely sent to your email address. Maybe I am stuck in your junk folder. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Pasha



Thanks Pasha! I just got back from the trip and have 45 minutes left for my turn. :O Just enough time to unpack the truck, grab a bite to eat, and play the turn... Whew, close one.

[PashaDawg]

Hi Huntsman:

No need to worry. I can wait until 10:00 pm or so if you need it.

You had a good trip, I assume. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/cool.gif

Pasha

[PashaDawg]

Greetings:

Turn 17 is out.

The deadline for turns is Tuesday, Sept. 13 at 9:00 pm.

Pasha

[PashaDawg]

Hi All:

King Lear and Arkas want to drop out of the game due to RL concerns. I have contacted on potential player as a substitute. Anybody eles know a potential player as a substitute? Otherwise, these players will go AI later this week.

Pasha

[PashaDawg]

Turn 18 is out!

Deadline is Thursday, Sept 15 at 9:00 pm.

Thanks.

Pasha

[PashaDawg]

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Hello All:

King Lear needs to drop out due to a heavy load in school. But, Dragonfire11 has agreed to take over for him. I have sent him the full list of mods and the modified map file. And, he is aware of the anonymous / no-diplomacy theme of this game.

Please welcome my fellow lawyer, Dragonfire11, to the game! I'd encourage you all to be nice to him, but you don't know what nation he is playing.

Pasha

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[Cainehill]

So be nice to all nations! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[Jurri]

Hey, cool! Thank you Dragonfire, and good luck!

[GriffinOfBuerrig]

Aehh, Tén Chi has died(i didn´t regognized).

Who was it?

[RonD]

Welcome, Dragonfire, and thanks for stepping in.

[PashaDawg]

Bah! Tien Chi is not dead yet!

Thou shalt wait until Tien Chi hath deceased before thou shalt know the truth!

Pasha

[PashaDawg]

Hi All:

Dragonfire needs a little slack to get on board this game due to RL encumbrances. So, it is possible that we will not host this turn until tomorrow.

Pasha

[DragonFire11]

Hi all! Thanks for the warm welcome. Now let us get to some warm action yes? Now let me see here, who in this game has engaged in underhanded dealing in the past? I suppose ya'll be guilty of heart so it's death to ya'll!

Eat fire, eat more fire, and fear then end of light and dreams. And so I say:

Thrice is he armed that hath his quarrel just;
And he but naked, though locked up in steel,
Whose conscience with injustice is corrupted.

And with no googling or other forms of cheating (seriously now), and just using that wet organ in your noggin, any guesses as to the master of the fine quote above.

[DragonFire11]

Small technical issue here. Hope to get things rolling tomorrow after work Pacific time. Sorry ya'll.

[Jurri]

I would hazard Shakespeare, 'cause that's what you Anglo folks usually quote when it comes to poetry. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif That does bring Tennyson to mind, too, but that's probably just a [censored] up memory on my part.

What's wrong with googling, by the way? I'm less than half the man without it, the child of a modern age! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[PashaDawg]

Hello All:

Turn 19 is out!

Tien Chi has been vanquished. The player was Arkas.

Dragonfire11 has now officially taken over for King Lear! Welcome, Dragonfire!!

The deadline for this turn is Sunday, Sept. 18, 2005, at 9:00 pm. Let's try to get turns in by that deadline in spite of the fact that we had a shorter period for this turn that usual. (BTW, Whollaborg is on a weekend trip and might not return until late, so I might host the game on Monday morning.)

Thanks.

Pasha

[DragonFire11]

Hats off to Jurri who properly guessed the Shankingspeare guy that I quoted in honor of King Lear (although different play to keep you on your toes).

[Jurri]

Hey, that's kinda clever! I only hope your smarts don't translate directly to dominions skills! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[The Panther]

Jurri said:
Hey, that's kinda clever! I only hope your smarts don't translate directly to dominions skills! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif



Naw, he is a lawyer! Those guys are good at nothing but words.

[Huntsman]

The Panther said:

Jurri said:
Hey, that's kinda clever! I only hope your smarts don't translate directly to dominions skills! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif



Naw, he is a lawyer! Those guys are good at nothing but words.



And words won't help him in *this* particular game. WOOHOO!! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif

[PashaDawg]

Turn 20 is out.

Deadline is Tuesday, Sept. 20 at 9:00 pm.

Thanks.

pasha

[PashaDawg]

Griffin's turn is not reading properly (the game does not think he played his turn). I have asked him to resend, and then I will host (probably tomorrow).

Thanks.

Pasha

[GriffinOfBuerrig]

Sorry folks, my fault!
It is in http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[PashaDawg]

Turn 21 is out.

Deadline is Thursday, Sept 22 at 9:00 pm EST.

[PashaDawg]

Turn 22 is out.

Deadline is Tuesday, Sept 27 at 9:00 pm EST.

Pasha

[Shmonk]

There's so much smack I want to talk, but we can't talk about much in this game...

Go my guys!!

[WraithLord]

PashaDawg said:
Turn 22 is out.

Deadline is Tuesday, Sept 27 at 9:00 pm EST.

Pasha



Strange thing, but I didn't get it.
Can you please resend the turn?

[PashaDawg]

Hi Izaqyos:

I sent again.

Thanks.

Pasha

[PashaDawg]

Hi All:

Teal is moving and won't be able to play after Friday. Does anybody know any potential replacements for him? (Teal himself was a replacement, too.)

I suggest that if we don't find a replacement by Friday, then we should allow his nation to go AI.

Pasha

[Huntsman]

PashaDawg said:
Hi All:

Teal is moving and won't be able to play after Friday. Does anybody know any potential replacements for him? (Teal himself was a replacement, too.)

I suggest that if we don't find a replacement by Friday, then we should allow his nation to go AI.

Pasha



An AI in this game would really suck. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/rant.gif

I'll post a notice at Quartertothree.com forums. Plenty of Dom2 fans there and no current games going on so there may be some interest.

[Cainehill]

Yeah. Um - in the future, you might not want to announce the player who got eliminated, as that person might be willing to become a substitute when yet another person drops out.

[RonD]

Cainehill said:

Yeah. Um - in the future, you might not want to announce the player who got eliminated, as that person might be willing to become a substitute when yet another person drops out.



Can you explain why announcing/not announcing would make any difference?

[PashaDawg]

Cainehill said:

Yeah. Um - in the future, you might not want to announce the player who got eliminated, as that person might be willing to become a substitute when yet another person drops out.



That's a good idea, Cainehill. In this instance, Arkas was the player who had been eliminated, and he had let me know that he was too busy to continue playing the game anyway.

[PashaDawg]

Still looking. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/stupid.gif

[PashaDawg]

Turn 23 is out!

Deadline is on Thursday, Sept. 29 at 9 pm EST.

Pasha

[PashaDawg]

Hi All:

Wow! I have been having fun tonight looking at all of your turns. Things are heating up and growing room is becoming a premium in some spots on the map.

Pasha

[PashaDawg]

Hi!!

Turn 24 is out.

Deadline is Sunday, Oct 2, 2005, at 9:00 pm EST.

Pasha

[PashaDawg]

Ygorl has agreed to take over Teal's slot.

He will be away this weekend, so I will play his turn on Sunday.

Pasha

[Huntsman]

Whew! Thanks again for doing a great job, Pasha!

[PashaDawg]

Turn 25 is out.

Deadline is Tuesday, Oct. 4 at 9pm EST.

Pasha

[Huntsman]

Seems my spam filter ate it again. Could you please resend it? thx!

[GriffinOfBuerrig]

Jotun is vanished! Who was it?
Me not!

[PashaDawg]

/threads/images/Graemlins/Dagger.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/skull.gif /threads/images/Graemlins/Dagger.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/skull.gif /threads/images/Graemlins/Dagger.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/skull.gif /threads/images/Graemlins/Dagger.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/skull.gif /threads/images/Graemlins/Dagger.gif

GOBLIN, the Divine Pretender of Jotunheim

was snuffed

by the minions of the Dominion of MAN.

/threads/images/Graemlins/Dagger.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/skull.gif /threads/images/Graemlins/Dagger.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/skull.gif /threads/images/Graemlins/Dagger.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/skull.gif /threads/images/Graemlins/Dagger.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/skull.gif /threads/images/Graemlins/Dagger.gif

[RonD]

Whew! I was afraid it might have been me.



A huge cry resounds through the fields of %*^@^%!%

"WE'RE NO WORSE THAN NUMBER 15! WE'RE NO WORSE THAN NUMBER 15!"

[Jurri]

Ooh, you've got fields! That means youre either @£*¤, or $%#, or...

[Huntsman]

Hmm, looks like something fishy is going on in the waters...

/threads/images/Graemlins/Fish.gif /threads/images/Graemlins/Fish.gif

[Goblin]

So how much am I able to talk about my demise without compromising the spirit of the game?

Goblin (the sore bottomed)

[PashaDawg]

Hi Goblin:

I would encourage you to keep it all secret until the game is done. It's enough that players know that Jotunheim was overrun by Man. All other details are matters left to scouting and spying.

I am keeping backup copies of most turns (I missed a few early turns). So, after the game is done, any player will be welcome to copies of any or all such backups with the master password. That way, every player could see how the game worked out from every other player's perspective.

Pasha

[PashaDawg]

Turn 26 is out.

Deadline is Thursday, Oct. 6, 2005 at 9:00 pm. EST.

Pasha

[PashaDawg]

Turn 27 is out.

Deadline is Sunday, Oct. 9, at 9pm EST

[PashaDawg]

Turn 28 is out.

[PashaDawg]

Turn 29 is out.

Deadline is Thursday.

[PashaDawg]

Turn 30 is out!

Deadline is Sunday.

Pasha

[PashaDawg]

Turn 31 is out.

Deadline is Tuesday, October 18, 9:00 pm EST.

[PashaDawg]

Vanheim was knocked out of the game this turrn.

Vanheim was originally played by BILL PAXTON, who dropped out early.
He was replaced by TEAL, who was eventually replaced by YGORL for the last few turns.

Pasha

[Huntsman]

PashaDawg said:
Vanheim was knocked out of the game this turrn.

Vanheim was originally played by BILL PAXTON, who dropped out early.
He was replaced by TEAL, who was eventually replaced by YGORL for the last few turns.

Pasha



Wow, a little bit of the Revolving Door Syndrome, eh?

[Ygorl]

That door no longer turns, alas.

[Huntsman]

Ygorl said:
That door no longer turns, alas.



Ah well, thanks for filling in, Ygorl. Funny how people sign up for an MP game, drop out suddenly, and then sign up for another MP game... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif

[PashaDawg]

Turn 32 is out.

Deadline is Thursday, Oct. 20 at 9:00 pm EST.

[RonD]

I've not yet received it - could you resend when you get a chance?

[PashaDawg]

Sent again RonD.

[RonD]

Got it - thanks!

[PashaDawg]

Turn 33 is out.

Deadline is Sunday, Oct 23

[PashaDawg]

Turn 34 is out.

Deadline is Tuesday, October 25 at 9:00 p.m. EST.

[PashaDawg]

Turn 35 is out.

Deadline is Thursday, Oct. 27, 2005 at 9:00 pm EST.

[PashaDawg]

Turn 36 is out.

Deadline is Sunday, Oct. 30 at 9:00 p.m. EST.

[Huntsman]

Anybody home? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[PashaDawg]

Turn 37 is out.

Deadline is Tuesday at 9:00 pm.

[Huntsman]

Thanks, Pasha. ANd the Mon-Wed-Fri schedule works for me.

[The Panther]

Huntsman said:
Anybody home? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif



Yeah, I am home. I am also still alive and kicking in the game. But this particular format is quite difficult. I keep wanting to discuss plans and borders and other things with all my neighbors!

According to the graphs, there is one nation who is now 1/3 of the way towards victory.

[PashaDawg]

Turn 37 is out.

Deadline is Thursday, November 3, 2005 at 9:00 pm. EST.

[GriffinOfBuerrig]

The Panther said:

According to the graphs, there is one nation who is now 1/3 of the way towards victory.



So i guess, you are not that nation http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/stupid.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[PashaDawg]

Don't forget that this is a no diplomacy game.

[The Panther]

GriffinOfBuerrig said:

The Panther said:

According to the graphs, there is one nation who is now 1/3 of the way towards victory.



So i guess, you are not that nation http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/stupid.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif



I didn't say I was, and I didn't say I wasn't! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[GriffinOfBuerrig]

PashaDawg said:
Don't forget that this is a no diplomacy game.



Pasha, prince of silence /threads/images/Graemlins/Fish.gif

[PashaDawg]

Hey! I am the all knowing host!

I don't want any player chatter that might compromise my exalted position.

Pasha

[PashaDawg]

Turn 39 is out.

Deadline is Sunday, November 6, 2005 at 9:00 pm.

[PashaDawg]

Turn 40 is out.

Deadline is Tuesday, Nov. 8, 2005 at 9:00 pm. EST.

[PashaDawg]

Turn 41 is out.

Deadline is Thursday.

[PashaDawg]

Turn 42 is out.

Deadline is Sunday, Nov. 13.

[PashaDawg]

Turn 43 is out.

Deadline is Tuesday, Nov. 15 at 9:00 pm EST.