OT: Hey You Weirdos!

[AgentZero]

Greetings fellow deviants and miscreants!
I require a little assistance in the creation of wonderfully depressing story that came into my head the other day. The basic story arch is: Man is in love with woman who is barely aware of his existance. Through stealthy manipulation, man destroys everything that matters to the woman, her relationships, her job, her reputation, etc, while slowly working his way into her life so that in the end, he is all she has left. But then of course he discovers that by destroying everything that she loves, he's also destroyed what made her the person he loved.
Now, what I need from you, my friends, is as many truly awful things you can come up with that would profoundly mess up someone's life. Obviously it needs to all be stuff that can be done from the background. Walking up to the boyfriend and shooting him would effectively remove him from the picture, but would hardly endear our character to the woman he loves.
Only a few specific things that I'd like to ask.
Names of any drugs known to drastically increase human aggression and violence.
Things one could be convicted of that would not not carry a terribly hefty sentence (ideally something one could resonably expect to get a suspended sentence for), but that would likely cause the loss of one's job, and create great difficulty in getting a new job.
Any 'minor' infractions that happen to carry a whopping fine if convicted.
Any offences that would result in the revokation of a driving license, but again a minor (if that) prison sentence.
Those are the specifics I'm looking for, and of course any other nasty things you can come up with to screw up someone's life would be greatly appreciated.

Disclaimer: The above request is strictly for research purposes in the creation of a work of fiction. Any responses to said request will not be used by the author towards any real person, and said responses should not be used by ANYONE to cause a real person any harm whatsoever.

[El_Phil]

Being caught in an act of Bestiality in Denmark. Strangely it isn't illegal there, so there's no legal problem, but when your friends and family find out...

On a more plausible route:
'Tragic' car accidents involving all her pets.
First offences with small amounts of drugs will, I think, not get prison time, depending on the country in question.
If the firm she work for does random drug testing then arrange for her to be 'randomly' tested the afternoon after you've spiked her lunch with drug of your choice.

[AgentZero]

Ug... Well I did say nasty didn't I. Yuck. Actually, El Phil, assuming the story is set in the UK, and info you can provide on things that'll screw one up royally would be great. Everyone else assume the story's set in the States, coz I haven't made up my mind yet.
And if anyone is fairly knowledgeable about drugs & poisons, just cram me full of info and I'll sort out the fiddly details later.

[Xrati]

AgentZero, while I sit here with a blank stare at the screen, maybe some methods might be of use to others that might be able to better incorporate them into a nasty deed http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/evil.gif

1) Drugs of any type (cocaine, meth., marijuana) are frowned on in the work place and can be easily planted in a locker or desk.
2) Driving under the influence also carries a possibility of losing your license especially after losing your job to a drug related episode. The correct sequence will net loss of job then license.
3) DUI cases carry a hefty fine and cost for a lawyer.
4) Secret admirers always instill suspicion in a love situation and cause problems in any relationship. Flowers are a nice touch.

Poor Lady http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/Sick.gif I assume this is something to get started with?

[AgentZero]

It's a start, alright. Still working on the whole sequence of events, and of course everything that goes wrong has also to have the effect of alienating her from boyfriend/friends/family while making her feel she's the victim. And of course I'm still waiting on a nice detailed post on a variety of drugs and poisons, what their side effects are, and how easy they are to obtain/make yourself.
And anyone have any ideas on any drugs that cause a huge increase in aggression/loss of control/violence?

[Suicide Junkie]

What about an ultra-(or sub-)sonic tone generator hidden near the bed which prevents getting a good sleep. (Additional locations as applicable)

When they haven't slept for a week, feel like crap, and can't interact with people anymore, you won't have to try very hard on the other tasks.

[Renegade 13]

Well if you want a poison that would likely be undetected, but would not be a very nice thing to be poisoned with, Thallium is for you. Here's the rundown of Thallium poisoning:

Poisoning due to ingestion of thallium compounds. Characteristics - vomiting, alopecia, neurologic and psychic symptoms, (ataxia, restlessness, delirium, hallucinations, semicoma, blindness), liver and kidney damage. Thallium is commonly found in ant, rat, and roach poisons. Symptoms usually begin approximately 3 weeks after poisoning. Usual course - acute; progressive.

Since thallium is not a usual poisoning, and symptoms don't start until 3 weeks after ingestion, it'd be tough to figure out where the source of the poisoning was, or possibly even what the poison was! Hey, you said you wanted a post on drugs and poisons! Drugs I'm not sure of, but poisons...

[Puke]

"planting" things might not be the best idea. it would immediatly let the person know that someone is screwing with them, and that they have an outside problem.

what you need, is a method to make things fall appart on their own. sadly, im too nice to ever think of such things.

i guess she wouldnt have a place to work anymore, if you burned down her office when she is out sick or on vacation. if you kept doing this everytime she got a new job, it might look a bit suspicious.

that last bit was a joke...

[Slick]

Crystal meth will mess you up, but I don't recommend using it in a story. It actually destroys your brain. CAT scans clearly show holes in a brain after sustained use. It also alters personality, usually permanently after not much use.

As for what will mess up someone's life, here's a real-life example. A male friend of the family is pretty average looking but a great husband who loved his wife dearly. His wife was very beautiful, which made him excessively untrusting of others (and his wife somewhat) because he thought that everyone was after her. To make a long story short, one of his friends, while attempting to make a joke about his suspicious nature, asked him who it was that he saw his wife with the previous day. This ended up in a very nasty divorce and a 3-way hate triangle between the original man, his truly faithful wife, and the joker who repeatedly tried to undo his mistake unsuccessfully. How's that for not getting the expected result?

[Starhawk]

El_Phil said:
Being caught in an act of Bestiality in Denmark. Strangely it isn't illegal there, so there's no legal problem, but when your friends and family find out...
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Do I even want to know how you know this? please tell me it's not how it looks "SAY IT AIN'T SO JOE!" Ah Denmark where men are men and sheep, goats and small dogs are scared. lol

Anyway Agent Zero......just reading that little intro gave me the chills so I dont think this is a story I'd want to read (Though I did fall in love with a girl who KNEW I existed and liked me just not in that way and I never told her so this kind of story is a little too close to bad memories.......aww thanks a lot I hate you now http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif)


Seriously though the first part of that last paragraph right up until the I hate you is the truth but I do have some advice:

1. Way to destroy reputation is to digitally edit a sex tape (Hey it happened to Jenifer Lopez people were like OOOOH SHE'S GOT PORN until someone finally said "Uh her head was digitially placed there idiots) but it took a while and if you keep it blurry or night vision that would humiliate most women and destroy their reputations with most men.

2. Have her animals killed as stated above except make it look like SHE did it thus destroying her reputation with family and friends and just about any other decent human being

3. Have her name added to a list of sex offenders (I heard about this poor guy who pissed off his ex girlfriend who happened to work at the state police and she added his name to a sex offender's list until they found the *ahem error*.

[bearclaw]

I've seen many people becoming involved in cocaine/crack addictions. It doesn't take very long before that becomes an all-consuming passion. I've seen people give up EVERYTHING for their next fix. In one extreme case, a man even turned his back on his wife and kids!

I personally had a brief problem with cocaine. Fortunatly, I got away before anything drastic could happen but I've seen others go down so far that I doubt they could ever come back. It's truely nasty.

If you want some examples and stories, PM or email me and I can send you some truely horrible cases.

Also, in British Columbia, Canada, if someone gets caught DUI 3 times, they loose their drivers licence for life. And there is NO way to get it back again.

[Strategia_In_Ultima]

Cocaine is not such a good idea. It's very very VERY hard to surreptitiously sneak it up someone's nose, and ingesting it is a bad idea. Someone I know once told me that he was at a party where someone ate some cocaine, and promptly fell asleep. Some time later, he woke up and immediately fell asleep again. I believe it also happened a third time, I'm not sure. However, sleeping on your workplace might get you a reprimand, but losing your job over it, especially if it occurs only once, is not very likely.

Likewise, surreptitiously giving her heroin the usual way is very hard, unless she's a diabetic and you can put some in her insulin. If you do that, be sure to spike her food with extra sugar, so she'll need more insulin than usual. Be sure to repeat that; otherwise, she might just call in sick for one day and that'll be the end of it. Using heroin repeatedly can cause manic depression, carelessness and recklessness (i.e. you don't care about anything any more and you'll watch your life fall apart around you without caring in the least), aggression, paranoia, etc.

Using LSD a lot causes hallucinations and paranoia, and "flipping" occurs rapidly. When that happens, the user (i.e. addict) will get paranoid and suffer from massive panic attacks. If this happens on her workplace, there's a good chance she'll be sacked rightaway, especially if they find LSD on her or in her desk.

[Renegade 13]

Starhawk said:
(Though I did fall in love with a girl who KNEW I existed and liked me just not in that way and I never told her so this kind of story is a little too close to bad memories....)



Unfortunately I think we all have memories like that.

[dogscoff]

I'd go with sleep deprivation. Fairly easy to cause (especially if the target lives in flats/ terraced housing- just buy the neighbour's twelve year old kid a drum set) and can really screw up someone's life and personality.

Also, if you really want to screw up her life, don't just get her kicked out for her job for drugs or stealing or something. Hack into her computer or sneak into the office or something and delete/ tamper with her work, so she has to work gruelling hours trying to replace/ fix it all, losing touch with the rest of her life, losing sleep, not staying well until, finally, after weeks or months of this, they sack her. *THEN* you hit her with the drugs or the driving charges or whatever, so that she can't get re-employed.

As for drugs... I know speed can make ppl pretty aggressive but I don't know a lot about it (but there's always wiki). I've also seen ppl get really nasty on caffeine, believe it or not. I used to work with this one girl who lived on caff tabs and she was one of the scariest ppl I've ever met. She could flip from pure sweetness and everybody's best friend to hate-spewing *****-balrog from hell inside of about 2 seconds with absolutely no provocation. Looking back on it, I wonder if she didn't have some psychiatric problem.

And as far as screwing with ppl's lives by secretly administering drugs and stuff... I thoroughly recommend you go read "invisible monsters" by Chuck Palahniuk: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0393319296/qid=1127722681/sr=8-1/ref=pd_bbs_1/104-1750093-1085524?v=glance&s=books&n=507846
You'll be glad you did (although you'll be lying in bed awake for about a month, worrying about the soul of the human race)- it's a fantastic book, I burned through it in two days.

[Fyron]

Strategia_In_Ultima said:
Using LSD a lot causes hallucinations and paranoia...

Only while on the drug... Most certainly not after it has worn off.

[dogscoff]

Cocaine is not such a good idea. It's very very VERY hard to surreptitiously sneak it up someone's nose



LOL!

"Hey, look at that!" *points upwards, then quickly produces two drinking straws loaded with Charlie, inserts them into other person's nostrils and blows*

[Randallw]

A few months ago I saw a movie where this female detective was taken to the crime boss and threatened. The boss then goes and starts to snort cocaine through a glass tube with the woman sitting practically next to him on a chair. Now can you imagine what someone who has just been threatened will do to some idiot who is sticking a glass tube up his nostril http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/confused.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif. Boy did he learn his lesson.

[Strategia_In_Ultima]

Imperator Fyron said:

Strategia_In_Ultima said:
Using LSD a lot causes hallucinations and paranoia...

Only while on the drug... Most certainly not after it has worn off.



Yes, but if you use it a lot, you can get paranoid even when not on the drug, and the hallucinations can appear too. But that's only if you're really hooked on the stuff, if you take a heck of a lot of it, like, 1970's a heck of a lot of it.


dogscoff said:


Cocaine is not such a good idea. It's very very VERY hard to surreptitiously sneak it up someone's nose



LOL!

"Hey, look at that!" *points upwards, then quickly produces two drinking straws loaded with Charlie, inserts them into other person's nostrils and blows*



No, seriously. Cocaine can have pretty major psychological effects, but that requires that you take it in through your nose. Eating it will result in the keeling-over almost comatose sleep I mentioned.

Cannabis is not such a good idea, since it's easy to detect (i.e. smell) and when she smells it, the woman is sure to get the hell out of wherever she smells it.


Slick said:
Crystal meth will mess you up, but I don't recommend using it in a story. It actually destroys your brain. CAT scans clearly show holes in a brain after sustained use. It also alters personality, usually permanently after not much use.



Perhaps that just might be a good idea.


AgentZero said:
.....he's also destroyed what made her the person he loved.



Burning holes in one's brain (crystal meth) is a very effective way of changing one's personality extremely dramatically.

On the other hand, a rebar through the forehead will do the same. I'm not joking; some railroad worker in the late 19th century IIRC had an accident where a steel rod was blown clean through the side of his forehead. He survived, but he was a radically different person after that, got sacked and spent the rest of his life traveling with a circus sitting on a chair with a steel rod in his head. Then again, this might not be such a good idea for the story.....

[Fyron]

Strategia_In_Ultima said:
Yes, but if you use it a lot, you can get paranoid even when not on the drug, and the hallucinations can appear too.

Paranoia, maybe, if you already have a paranoid psychology to begin with. Any powerful (and negative) emotional experience, such as a bad trip, can intensify latent psychological disorders (such as paranoia and schizophrenia). Hallucinations? No. LSD does not permanently alter your brain or live in your spine or anything like that, so it does not continue affecting you after the dose has worn off. Any sort of flashback is a normal procedure for the brain, related to powerful emotional experiences. This is not a property of LSD itself, but of how memories work in general. You can get flashbacks from any experience that triggers profound emotional response, such as falling in love with someone. Please refer to this FAQ on LSD: http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/lsd/lsd_info7.shtml

[bearclaw]

Strategia_In_Ultima saidOn the other hand, a rebar through the forehead will do the same. I'm not joking; some railroad worker in the late 19th century IIRC had an accident where a steel rod was blown clean through the side of his forehead. He survived, but he was a radically different person after that, got sacked and spent the rest of his life traveling with a circus sitting on a chair with a steel rod in his head. Then again, this might not be such a good idea for the story.....



While this story is true, the bar did not remain in his head. What happened was that it struck him in the chin and went through the top of his skull, severed the frontal lobe of his brain from the rest. What ended up happening is that there was no concious or chemical control of his moods. Without any promting or causes, he would have radical and unprecicable mood swings which were so dramatic that he had no control of his personallity. When he was mad, he was nothing but mad, or sad, or glad.

As an interesting comment on the LSD discussion, it has been found that the actual chemical LSD causes a chain-reaction of 'mis-fires' in the brain that last for several hours. The initial cause (the chemical) is actually processed out of the body within 45 min. As a former heavy LSD user (it was a long time ago), I can attest that there are NO such things as LSD induced flash-backs or other long-term affects. (whoa dude, look at the colors of that Phong... it looks so real... BLAST. cool dude, even it's lasers feel real...)

That said, apparently there is still a federal law in the US (drafted in the 60's duing government LSD tests) that states that I've taken enough LSD to be labled as clinically insane...

[Suicide Junkie]

The man's name is Phineas Gage, in case you are interested in looking him up.

[El_Phil]

An actual question about the story (I do hate to drag us back on topic, but I am curious.)

The thing with most of these is that the person is going to notice, I mean you would know you hadn't taken the drugs that you got caught with. Of course she may not know who is doing it, but she'll know someone's setting her up. That could be you want the story to go, but as you said 'stealthily' I wasn't sure.

[Suicide Junkie]

Thats the advantage of the infra-sound plant... There is no obvious problem.
Just a gradual degradation of their quality of life with no apparent cause.

Getting power to it would be the hard part, but you could probably plant it somewhere in the basement nobody ever goes. Plug it in beside the furnace, and stick it inside the ventilation ducts so the sound emanates all over the house.

[AgentZero]

Hmmm... This is all most interesting... I kinda like the infra-sound plant but it's a wee bit to 'techie' for the feel of my story. Though perhaps sneaking into the cities computers and making them think that the street outside her apartment needs digging up at 2am might do the trick. Hadn't thought of sleep deprivation, that might be neat.
BTW, the drugs thing is mainly to be administered to people around her, when I said 'destroyed the person he loves' I was referring to emotionally as opposed to physically fubar'd. Since the drugs are to be 'taken' by others then whether or not they're traceable isn't terribly relavent. What about PCP? I've heard it does seriously nasty things to a person, but other than that I don't know too much. Drugwise I'm looking for something that will make someone very violent and aggressive with a single dose.
As for poisons, they won't be getting used until 'endgame' and I'm mainly looking for something relatively fast acting (5-10min after ingestion), and tasteless. Whether or not it's traceable is irrelavent. Keep the ideas coming, this stuff is great! In a sick twisted depraved kinda way anyway.

[Suicide Junkie]

Have you never hooked up a high frequency signal into a speaker in a tech class?
Pitched high enough that the teacher can't hear it due to age, but some of the students can?

Quite entertaining to watch, but does get on your nerves after only a few minutes; even if you turn it up enough that can't hear it personally.

You could probably introduce an inaudible squeal to a gift radio without adding components if you googled the right things.

[Wolfman77]

Sounds worse than the old computer monitor hums. Those and TV sets always used to bug me.