Poll/Vote for Civil War feature

[chewy027]

10 I would love to see this feature implemented. It would add more depth to the gameplay and a new element of stategy. As well as some more realism.

[Q]

Sorry I can't see anything in it but frustration! You know the tale of Sisyphus? Just when you think you made it the unpredictable civil war will put you back at the beginning. That would be not a strategic game for me anymore but a game of chance. So for me it's 0.

[chewy027]

Q, the civil war would NOT be a random event. There are set triggers and parameters that cause the civil war. Perhaps you didn't know this. I get the impression you think its a random event. Check out the intergalactic civil war thread overview in the named thread.

Thank you for your feedback Q http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon7.gif

[This message has been edited by chewy027 (edited 08 April 2001).]

[Baal]

I think this is a good idea as it gives ramifications to the happiness of your people, and gives good reason to stay at war (bloodthirsty) or make peace (peaceful). A new dimension to the game is always a good thing. I give it a 10

[chewy027]

Thank you for your feedback Baal http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon12.gif

[mac5732]

I like the idea, along with pirates and locusts, I give it a 10, however, I think it should be put as an option because not everyone may want to use it or have it in the game, the same with pirates and locusts.

just some ideas mac

[chewy027]

Thanks for the feedback Mac5732 http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon12.gif

[Q]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by chewy027:
Q, the civil war would NOT be a random event. There are set triggers and parameters that cause the civil war. Perhaps you didn't know this. I get the impression you think its a random event. Check out the intergalactic civil war thread overview in the named thread.

Thank you for your feedback Q http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon7.gif

[This message has been edited by chewy027 (edited 08 April 2001).]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

O.K. then this has been changed, because in the beginning it was thought of as a random event. Still not more than 1 for me .Sorry http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon12.gif

[chewy027]

Again, thanks for the feedback Q http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon12.gif

I think you will be one of the players who toggles this option OFF in the game setup http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon7.gif.

[Deathstalker]

both, definitly a 10. And make everything optional so the people who want to play the original game 'untouched' can. One question though, how would the civil war thing work for people who start with 10 planets?? All ten are 'homeworlds' are they not?

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Owen smiled coldly. "It wasn't hers to take. I'm a Deathstalker until I die. And we never forget a slight or an enemy." -Owen Deathstalker.

[Lion of High Park]

I definately like the civil war idea as well. The way it was handled in Civ I and II was very balanced, and did not upset the gameplay at all. In fact, in early games, it made the mad dash to take the capital city while the empire was suffering from low morale a major strategic endeavor. I'd give it a 10 as well. As others have stated already, I do agree with the toggle at game startup to switch this feature off, if need be.

[chewy027]

Thanks for the feedback Lion of High Park and Deathstalker http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon7.gif

BTY Deathstalker, good point, The answer to your question is in the civil war thread. Any new suggestions/ideas are welcome http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon12.gif

[Aussie Gamer]

I think that it would basically game over for anyone getting it!
As of now the worst that can happen is a loss of one system to a nova or black hole forming.
So I give it a 1 as well.

[Suicide Junkie]

Anyone who has this happen to them is almost certainly going to lose the game.

I'd give it a 5 if it was optional,
a 7 if it heavily depended on happiness,
and a 9 if the size of the rebellion depended on how big your empire is compared to everybody else. (Ie. if you're Last place, the rebellion is very minor, if you're first by a lot, then it could be up to half your empire)

[BlueMage]

10. I like the option for keeping peacekeepers peacefull and bloodthirsty on the warpath. I also lean towards the idea of making this a really heavy intel project as discussed early in the other thread; ie 1 mil intell points or so (take over a year for even a large and developed empire to run).

[Trachmyr]

Vote: 10

[chewy027]

Trachmyr, Aussie Gamer, Suicide_Junkie, BlueMage Thank you all for your feedback http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon12.gif

SJ the civil war would depend heavily on happiness, and it would be optional. As for it depending on the size of the empire, that is a new idea and I will post it in the Civil war thread itself.

AG you could easily avoid getting this by defending your homeworld capital well and keeping your people happy. Otherwise you could just turn it off.

Bluemage do you mean only an intel project or an intel project along with the triggers?

Please post any response in the civil war thread. Unless you want to change your vote http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon12.gif

Thank you all for your time.

[Atrocities]

Vote = 10

[Suicide Junkie]

Having looked over the summary of the Civil war thread, I shall declare a vote of (8).

[chewy027]

Atrocities thany you for the feedback http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon7.gif

SJ thank you for a definite answer http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon12.gif

[BlueMage]

Sorry for my sloppy post (clarification):

Intell project + triggers; basically if an empire is on the edge of civil war it should be possible for another empire to push it over.

I do not agree with it occuring without triggers; no revolution occurs when everyone is essentially happy with their respective government and society.

Basically I think any event should be triggerable by an intell project.

[GruelThePurple]

I agree that the option should be toggleable at the game set-up.

I also think that Intell projects should be able to "help the process along", a la Anarchy Groups, PPP, etc.

And I think that with this type of enhancement, it makes the Emotionless trait much more valuable.

Overall, I'd give it a 7 (Given some of the other issues that really need help, IE: the AI).

[Possum]

vote = 0

a very very bad idea

[chewy027]

Possum I'm sorry you feel that way http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon9.gif

Gruel good point about the emotionless trait http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon12.gif

BlueMage thanks for the clarification http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon12.gif

And thank you all for the feedback http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon7.gif

[Emperor Zodd]

Sorry 0 for me.

[chewy027]

Thanks for the feedback Emperor Zodd http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon7.gif

Just wondering why you feel that way. I mean 0 is pretty low.

[greghacke]

I'd give it a 2.

I feel there are a large number of other features I'd like to see implemented first.

[chewy027]

Thanks for the feedback greghacke http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon7.gif

[Marty Ward]

If it is optional then I vote 10. If not, I don't know maybe 5.
I'd like to try it but not necessarily all the time.

[chewy027]

Marty Ward thanks for the feedback http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon7.gif

And yes the feature would be opitional in game setup http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon12.gif

[Master Belisarius]

I'm not against the idea, and in fact I think that's good.
But, I would like to see other things implemented/fixed, first. Then, my vote is 3.

[Str8_Gain]

"Gentlemen! We are here to defend democracy, not practice it!"

That being said, I'll add my vote in at a 10.

[Marco]

My vote is 6

[jc173]

I like the idea, but I think some kinks probably will probably need to be worked out, and it definately needs to be tested first. Other than that I would say there needs to be some more general fixes to the AI before new functionality is added. So overall I give the idea an 8.

[dogscoff]

Give the idea an 10, although I agree that MM should give other things a higher priority.

I'm also uncomfortable with the idea of government centres being facilities that the player can build and scrap. I'd rather see an "automatic" implementation, with the player having only indirect control- moving gov. control from planet to planet should be an option though. Chewy- where can I find this thread summary ppl are talking about?

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[chewy027]

Dogscoff, Master Belisarius, jc173, Marco, and Str8_Gain Thank you all for the feedback http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon7.gif

Dogscoff the summary is in the intergalactic civil war thread. I update it as new ideas/suggestions are given. It should be near the top of the thread.

And yes some other things should be ironed out first. But I think this idea would be a great new feature in the game http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon12.gif

[Sirkit]

Very nice Idea and because for those who don't want to tempt fate can turn it off I give it a 10 http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon7.gif

[tictoc]

I go along with bluemage IWO intel should be more prominent in triggering civil war. Apart from that it's an interesting idea especially as an option. My vote gotta be 10

tic

[AJC]

I dont think it could be done and still keep the game balanced. Once you have a civil war - your done. So I vote 0 - sorry

Planets already rebel. Problem is the next turn you can demand their surrender - and they will.



[This message has been edited by AJC (edited 10 April 2001).]

[chewy027]

AJC, tictoc, and Sirkit thank you for your feedback http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon7.gif

[raynor]

Vote = 0

[CaptSpoogy]

I would have to give it a 8 - based on my comment in the intergalatic civil war thread...

[chewy027]

capt_spoogy and raynor thank you for the feedback http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon7.gif

[Dracus]

I think that this would only work if ships were tied more to the planets that built them .Then there would be a chance of some of your fleet going against you. Of course it will really piss me off if my best warship turned against me right before we were about to make a run at an enemy planet. I think that more things would have to be coded for actual crews. Which would most likely require them to use an idea I posted in another thread about 2 weeks ago about crews and populations.
While the idea would be a cool opion, I don't think it would work without adding actual crews and races (not crew comps) to the ships. (see my other Posts about the crews and pop usage.)

[chewy027]

Thanks for the feedback Dracus, but you forgot to vote http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon12.gif

[Jason2]

I vote: (long tense mysterious pause): YES

Oops forgot my number: 10

[This message has been edited by Jason2 (edited 12 April 2001).]

[Devnullicus]

vote: 10

definitely optional. Definitely needs to be non-random. I like the idea of tying ships to planets so that they go to the new empire if their world rebels. It may not even take much code to do so.

Would definitely need to make it so the new empire would not just surrender next turn though. Rather pointless.

A rebellion that spreads would also be good, within limits.

[chewy027]

Jason2 and Devnulicus thanks for the feedback http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon7.gif

[Dracus]

I would have to say 6, as it stands.

If they included actual crews made up of the races in your empire /and maybe linking ships to planets then I could go higher.
With actual crews then you would have to manage captured races better becuase this would allow for other things to happen also.

[chewy027]

Thanks for the feedback Dracus http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon7.gif

[dmm]

For right now, I give the idea a 6. It would get a 10, except that I'd rather see MM work on other stuff first (e.g., improve AI, improve diplomacy, make IntelOps realistic [no PPP of a jubilant planet], improve trading, release SaveGameFile editor, enable linking to other games for combat, expand tech tree). Also, some of this stuff MUST be worked on first, or Civil War won't work as intended.

[chewy027]

dmm thanks for the feedback http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon7.gif

[This message has been edited by chewy027 (edited 13 April 2001).]

[lesismore19]

I think an Intergalactic Civil War is the best idea posted yet - I've been following these threads for quite some time now. You are one creative guy! My vote is a 10, I'd even give it 27 if I could. LMTY

[chewy027]

Thanks for the feedback lesismore19 http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon7.gif

BTW I didn't come up with that idea I stole it from civ

and what does LMTY stand for http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon12.gif

[This message has been edited by chewy027 (edited 14 April 2001).]

[chilla37]

I vote 10.
I really like the idea of conquered aliens revolting. I also like 1 rioting planet setting off a chain reaction & causing revolt if left unattended.

[chewy027]

chilla37 thanks for the feedback http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon7.gif

[chewy027]

Does anyone else want to vote? I know there are more than 31 people on this forum, and it would be great if everyone gave some input since this feature would effect the games that you will eventually be playing. http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon12.gif

[Arralen]

0 points.

a) this will kill some player more or less randomly

b) the AI couldn't cope with it

c) adds tons of MM without giving much addition to gameplay .. unless you prefer bombing your own position (rebels) to messing with other players

d) msut be hard-coded and there are lots more promising features/ideas and even more bugs to cover

Sorry folks, big 'thumbs down' from me !

Remember, perfection is when there's nothing there that could be left out - not when there couldn't be added any more stuff !

Arralen

[chewy027]

Thanks for the feedback Arralen http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon7.gif

A few questions though: How would it kill someone randomly? In B what is MM and why don't you think it would add gameplay?

Also don't you think it would be more realistic?

[blazefire]

This is a vey good idea i give it a ten based on the fact that it makes it a lot easier to conquer a race and it also has a downfall so it has to be thought through before you destroy a homeworld.

[chewy027]

Thanks for the feedback blazefire http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon7.gif

[DirectorTsaarx]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by chewy027:
&lt;snip&gt; what is MM ? &lt;snip&gt; <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I think in this case MM means micromanagement (as opposed to Malfador Machinations, obviously)...

[chewy027]

Thanks for clearing that up Director. BTW what is your vote for this feature? http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon12.gif

[Lupusman]

Imagine how annoying it would be if Chewy were female. Would you stop nagging everyone to vote already.

(I'm just playing with you, right)

And no, I'm not in the mood to vote right now. http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon7.gif

[DirectorTsaarx]

I kinda like the idea, but I kinda don't. I'll have to say a 5. If the AI could be tweaked to go after homeworlds (especially if you're MEE), thus kicking off the civil war, that would add some thrill to the game.

I'm pretty careful to put population happiness facilities everywhere to keep the people Jubilant, so losing the Capitol Planet would be the only way to start the civil war. Seems like the AI has a bit more trouble with happiness, so the AI's would be breaking into war more often.

You could also add more Civ stuff to the idea of a capitol, and use the corruption factor (i.e., planets far from the capital have a production penalty). But again, that might harm the AI more than a human, unless the AI were designed to take that into account.

[chewy027]

Thanks for the feedback DirectorTsaarx http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon7.gif

and Lupusman I don't mean to nagg, I hate nagging. I just want to know what everyone thinks. http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon7.gif

[chewy027]

This is a sister thread to the Intergalactic Civil War!!?? thread. I would like to see what everyone thinks of the civil war feature.I am asking that everyone please give a response to this poll. It is very easy. Just give a 0 to 10 vote and a brief description of why you like or dislike the idea. I will keep a running tally on the poll/vote. Any new ideas or suggestions please put in the original thread.

current average rating = 6.89 http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/confused.gif
after 35 votes

chewy027 = 10
Q = 1
Baal = 10
Mac5732 = 10
Deathstalker = 10
Lion of High Park = 10
Aussie Gamer = 1
suicide_junkie = 8
BlueMage = 10
Trachmyr = 10
Atrocities = 10
Sirkit = 10
GruelThePurple = 7
Possum = 0
Emperor Zodd = 0
greghacke = 2
Marty Ward = 10
Master Belisarius = 3
Str8_Gain = 10
Marco = 6
jc173 = 8
dogscoff = 10
tictoc = 10
AJC = 0
raynor = 0
capt_spoogy = 8
Jason2 = 10
Devnullicus = 10
Dracus = 6
dmm = 6
lesismore19 = 10
chilla37 = 10
Arralen = 0
blazefire = 10
DirectorTsaarx = 5

Thank You all for the great feedback and cooperation. Together we can get MM to implement this and many other great ideas!

[chewy027]

The results of this vote will be sent in next week. So anyone who hasn't voted yet, who wants to influence the implementation of this feature, come on down and vote http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon7.gif

[fly009]

I will give 10

cheers!

[dogscoff]

Shhhh... I think the civil War thread is finally asleep... try not to wake it...

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[chewy027]

Thanks for the feedback fly009 http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon7.gif

Dogscoff ... almost ..... asleep ......

[mac5732]

sorry dogscoff, I had to wake thread one more time. Just wanted to say good luck Chewy on your submission to MM. The ideas in this thread are all good. Hopefully, Mm will put ideas into game at least as an option. Good Idea, Good Luck

just some ideas mac5732

[chewy027]

This is a sister thread to the Intergalactic Civil War!!?? thread. I would like to see what everyone thinks of the civil war feature.I am asking that everyone please give a response to this poll. It is very easy. Just give a 0 to 10 vote and a brief description of why you like or dislike the idea. I will keep a running tally on the poll/vote. Any new ideas or suggestions please put in the original thread.

current average rating = 7 http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon7.gif
after 36 votes

chewy027 = 10
Q = 1
Baal = 10
Mac5732 = 10
Deathstalker = 10
Lion of High Park = 10
Aussie Gamer = 1
suicide_junkie = 8
BlueMage = 10
Trachmyr = 10
Atrocities = 10
Sirkit = 10
GruelThePurple = 7
Possum = 0
Emperor Zodd = 0
greghacke = 2
Marty Ward = 10
Master Belisarius = 3
Str8_Gain = 10
Marco = 6
jc173 = 8
dogscoff = 10
tictoc = 10
AJC = 0
raynor = 0
capt_spoogy = 8
Jason2 = 10
Devnullicus = 10
Dracus = 6
dmm = 6
lesismore19 = 10
chilla37 = 10
Arralen = 0
blazefire = 10
DirectorTsaarx = 5
fly009 = 10

Thank You all for the great feedback and cooperation. Together we can get MM to implement this and many other great ideas!

[chewy027]

Anyone else? 4 more days ......

[chewy027]

3 .....

[chewy027]

2

[chewy027]

well the vote has been sent we now await a reply http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon7.gif

[chewy027]

Well, Aaron said he appreciated the poll and said that the idea has been added to the TOP of the wanted list http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon10.gif

Success http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon12.gif

[Nitram Draw]

Way to go! Now don't get to poll happy http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon7.gif

[Tenryu]

I give the idea a 10.

[chewy027]

thanks for the votes tenryu

[ZeroAdunn]

I give the idea a 10 too.... as if my opinion counts....

Seriously though, it needs to be able to be turned off, could really kill a pbw game.

[chewy027]

thanks for the vote zero...and yes your opinion does count. About 6 or 7 months ago when i sent the results of this pole into Aaron he took the idea very seriously and said that he would move it to the top of the features list for either a patch (least likely), expansion pack (up in the air), or SE5 (most likely) I'll just send in all the new votes when it seems like everyone stopped voting.

[Andrés]

I give it a 6
It's a good idea and would be interesting to see, but don't think it's a priority right now.

[chewy027]

thanks for the vote andres.

actually just about everyone who hasn't given the idea a 10 has said that they would rather see other stuff done first.

[Skulky]

I totally agree, i would give it a 10 easy. idea: start a real poll (like the old things taht had a voting option).

edit: galactic war is totally on it, great ideas

[ 03 December 2001: Message edited by: Skulky ]</p>

[Cyrien]

a 10. Regardless of what you may want in front of it I think it itself is a 10 level feautre even if someothers may be better 10's. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

[chewy027]

skulky and Cyrien thanks for your votes, but just so you know skulky, nothing in this idea is set in stone. Any ideas or opinions you or anyone else might have are welcome, thats why i brought back the discussion in the first place. To get some new opinions and ideas flowing again. I realize the thread is long, and the summary is relatively long too, but there are a lot of good ideas in there already.

As for starting a real poll for opinions I'm not sure what you mean by that cause originally any opinions or ideas went in the main thread and votes went here.

[ 03 December 2001: Message edited by: chewy027 ]</p>

[jimbob]

Civil War/Rebellion:

As long as there is some clear feed back to the player that his/her people are getting ticked off, or a documented explanation as to what the triggers are, then I'd vote whole heartedly...

10!!

Edit: Oh, and make the "no emotion" trait immune, finally something good about being Vulcan http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

[ 04 December 2001: Message edited by: jimbob ]</p>

[chewy027]

thanks for the vote jimbob as for emotionless being immune i think that was suggested already, I'll just second the notion by you.

[chewy027]

This is a sister thread to the Intergalactic Civil War!!?? thread. I would like to see what everyone thinks of the civil war feature.I am asking that everyone please give a response to this poll. It is very easy. Just give a 0 to 10 vote and a brief description of why you like or dislike the idea. I will keep a running tally on the poll/vote. Any new ideas or suggestions please put in the original thread.

current average rating = 7.25
after 42 votes

chewy027 = 10
Q = 1
Baal = 10
Mac5732 = 10
Deathstalker = 10
Lion of High Park = 10
Aussie Gamer = 1
suicide_junkie = 8
BlueMage = 10
Trachmyr = 10
Atrocities = 10
Sirkit = 10
GruelThePurple = 7
Possum = 0
Emperor Zodd = 0
greghacke = 2
Marty Ward = 10
Master Belisarius = 3
Str8_Gain = 10
Marco = 6
jc173 = 8
dogscoff = 10
tictoc = 10
AJC = 0
raynor = 0
capt_spoogy = 8
Jason2 = 10
Devnullicus = 10
Dracus = 6
dmm = 6
lesismore19 = 10
chilla37 = 10
Arralen = 0
blazefire = 10
DirectorTsaarx = 5
fly009 = 10
Tenryu = 10
ZeroAdunn = 10
Andres Lescano = 6
skulky = 10
cyrien = 10
jimbob = 10

Thank You all for the great feedback and cooperation. Together we can get MM to implement this and many other great ideas!

[Skulky]

checking out old postings, so im bumping this cause it is such a good idea.... and i have a pbw scenario idea in mind, i want to test out a how a scenario would play on pbw anyway.