The Winnowing - DaMilano wins!!

[Peacekeeper]

new turn hosted, good luck to both of yas!

[OG_Gleep]

Leader of Ulm. Your action into Knightsmarsh was a clear violation of our agreement. Either you did that willingly or it is a mistake. For now I trust it was a mistake and will hold off till I hear from you to make any moves.

Which I do hope it was, because that would be pretty shady. I held off attacking the provence in our agreement as that was my original target, and you just occupied the one that we agreed was going to be occupied by me.

[Tom_Scudder]

You think yourselves so clever, flying all about. But just you wait. There WILL come a moment when you can fly no longer.

[shovah]

im officially declaring war on pangea unless he can give me a good explanation for his stealthy army being discovered in my province

[nihilistic]

Shmonk we need to talk. Can you drop by the IRC channel?

[Shmonk]

At work right now, can't use IRC. But you can PM if you have a question. I'm assuming the turn hosted, I don't know what happened yet.

[Oversway]

Are Arco and Abysia going to gang up on us all!?

[Shmonk]

SHH!! Don't give everything away yet! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/eek.gif

Just kidding... my guess is we're talking because we have a border in common now.

[Folket]

I can't connect to the game.

[shovah]

serves you right mr sneaky

[Oversway]

Is the server down? If so, can we reset the time when it comes back up?

[Nah27]

Server doesn't seem to be down, from what I can tell, But half the time it makes my dominions hang up, I've still been able to connect by restarting dominions and retrying.

[Oversway]

ok, I'll keep trying, thanks.

edit: it worked! thanks again

[castigated]

i often hang while trying to connect. i just know that if it takes more than 5 seconds to connect, i have to close dominions, and try again.

funny that this doesn't happen on the other game IH is hosting, though....

[TheWatcher]

Yeah, I had the same problem as Nah, as well as the same solution.

The war versus Mictlan!

Their barbarism is matched only by their craveness! I level charges of GENOCIDE against them! After taking the eastern forests of Avalon, they swiftly set to raping and pillaging. Unknown numbers of people have been slaughtered or "collected" by the inhuman beasts, resulting in an unrest of 335!

The people shall soon see how hollow your false God is!

[Ironhawk]

castigated said:
i often hang while trying to connect. i just know that if it takes more than 5 seconds to connect, i have to close dominions, and try again.

funny that this doesn't happen on the other game IH is hosting, though....



The connection thing can sometimes be caused by zombie dom2 processes running on your machine.

As for the server being up/down - its almost always up. But sometimes the connection is a little flaky. Best advice is to just log in and grab your turn and exit. Then play offline and just connect back to the server to upload your finished turn. That way you reduce your exposure to the flakiness.

[Tom_Scudder]

On second thoughts, little vampire queen, why don't you NOT stand still where I can hit you. I now understand a little bit about supercombatants. (Good thing I have my skelly-spammers to run out the clock with).

[Folket]

When I personaly was marching peacefully with my army past C'tis territory towards a neutral province I was attacked by a paramilitary force. Of course we did not want to blame a scapegoat so we investigated the insident, of course this forced us to take complete control of the province. The C'tis rejected our rightful claim saying something about that I should not be sneaking in thier province. They claimed it was thier province after all. We had nothing against the C'tis and was willing to give the province back after the investigation, but they continued to object. Apperantly they had something to hide.

I know many people will be shocked to hear this but the assassination attempt was funded by the C'tis. Those corrupted coldblooded necrophilics. It was also shown that C'tis was behind turning over many cows the last nights. Thier evil deeds cannot be matched.

When the Pangaean people heard about the actrocities commited by these foul beeings the cry for revenge could not wait. Our great master Folket, the one eyed one leged dragon proclaim that everyone would have to work 20 hours a day to fund the wareffort. Some labour unions and human rights activists have demanded 24 hour working day but our kind leader rejected the proposal saying that would be unfair if the peasants were working more then four times as much then him. Never the less our people rejoiced at the higher taxes and more whips at the slave camps that would make them able to contribute more to our great empire.

Let it be known that the Pangaean Empire has taken on itself the burden to vaporize the C'tis robber barons from the map. We will spill no effort until the task at hand is completed. I suggest that all of us join in this crusade against those that defile our beautiful nature.

Ram Head, Head of Propaganda, Pangaean Empire

[Oversway]

The cowardance of Man has betrayed itself yet again when he set his archers on fire and flee when attacking a starving, diseased, and leaderless force. I still hold the land, despite all of Mans boasts about the power of his vampire queen. The other nations are even now applauding the troops of Mictlan for their bravery and perserverance.

[shovah]

what other nations would those be? hoburg indies?

[shovah]

any gold/gems greatly appreciated (great way to indirectly help vrs pan http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif)

[Folket]

I think you are out of luck. I have exposted your treacherous ways.

[Shmonk]

Sure, shovah, I can provide some gems. Death to C'tis!! /threads/images/Graemlins/icon43.gif /threads/images/Graemlins/icon26.gif

... er, wait, you're C'tis. Uh, go shovah, yea, that's it. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

[Folket]

How can shovah be a newbie with 700 posts?!?

[Oversway]

He has a lot of very short posts http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

Maybe he contribtues to other shrapnel games - the post count is for the entire forum.

[Tom_Scudder]

<blockquote>
what other nations would those be? hoburg indies?</blockquote>
Hey, do NOT underestimate the Great Hoburg Nation.
Case in point (http://giantitp.com/cgi-bin/GiantITP/ootscript?SK=11).

[shovah]

im not a noob to forums but ive been in very few mp games and have been thefirst to die in both of my non-blitz games (in blitz i had to leave)

[shovah]

Shmonk said:
Sure, shovah, I can provide some gems. Death to C'tis!! /threads/images/Graemlins/icon43.gif /threads/images/Graemlins/icon26.gif

... er, wait, you're C'tis. Uh, go shovah, yea, that's it. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif



the evil monkey is acting suspiciously

[OG_Gleep]

You can rack up posts quickly. How quickly is a good gauge on how pissed off your wife is.

[Cainehill]

Oversway said:
The cowardance of Man has betrayed itself yet again when he set his archers on fire



He set his archers on fire??? I prefer to set my opponenets archers ablaze myself. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[shovah]

OG_Gleep said:
You can rack up posts quickly. How quickly is a good gauge on how pissed off your wife is.



thank god for youth http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Tom_Scudder]

Found here (http://giantitp.com/cgi-bin/GiantITP/ootscript?SK=63) (the nanny software isn't going to wack "bad-assery", is it?)

[shovah]

yay, im not the only one who has read that http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif but this one works just as well: http://giantitp.com/cgi-bin/GiantITP/ootscript?SK=270

[Tom_Scudder]

I've been rereading. I think this sequence (http://giantitp.com/cgi-bin/GiantITP/ootscript?SK=80) ought to be required reading for dominions players, though.

[shovah]

lol, id forgotten about that one

[shovah]

i forgot to tell you guys: i'll be away until sunday afternoon so any pause to hosting greatly appreciated

ps: in 3 of 3 field battles the sauromancers of ctis have defeated the foul goat smelling scum! however my capitol is under seige and i suspect will not be free'd for several turns

[Folket]

You are puting up a good fight. But the more people you kill the closer you get to the point where you will drown in my blood.

[shovah]

*goes off to forge rings of water breathing* you seem to be forgetting that undead are semi-aquatic (within a few days of getting back from my trip my capitol WILL be mine again)

[Tom_Scudder]

If you're going to treat "blessing" as a self-buff, and there are other blessable troops on the field, script TWO blesses before you attack.

Crappity.

[Wish]

haha, That nearly worked, If only gyjas where a little bigger!

sorry to eat your 500 gold. trully I am.

[Tom_Scudder]

Well, you know, I figure I'll make that back in like two turns, not counting gem income. And in the meantime I have this nice cozy watchtower to hang out in.

Plus, I can always recruit new capital-only troops. Unlike certain nations I could mention.

[Peacekeeper]

...ouch

[TheWatcher]

There seem to be no less than three nations with largish armies on my borders. This is an unfortunate development.

[shovah]

the great peoples of ctis have just won a decisive victory over the vile people of folket the dragon! at the loss of around 5 ctissians and 10 of our undead residents, 80 vile things of pangea and 3 of their commanders were dragged down to their graves

[Tom_Scudder]

Sadly, Angerbodha the Great Hag died trying to keep the armies of Tien Chi from taking back their capital. Going to have to wait for conjuring 7 to get decent astral magic now.

On the other hand, I now have a cunning plan for dealing with irritating vamp queens.

[Wish]

or rather, you know how to stall them, because the AI showed you how. However your tactics where not enough to keep me from taking back my land, and won't be enough to keep me from taking you off the map

but the tactic is uselss if i also send in a number of priests, of which tien chi has many

[Tom_Scudder]

That is NOT the cunning plan. You will see. Just wish I'd thought of it last turn, dammit.

[Wish]

her magic resistance is to high to be banished, if thats what you mean

[Tom_Scudder]

Really? I guess my clever plan is busted, then. Probably.

You have nothing to fear. You are inVINCEable. Truly.

[shovah]

well massed banishers eventually do hurt a VQ but she will drain it all back

[Tom_Scudder]

In any case, massed banishers does not seem like a great fit with skelli-spammers. But I could be wrong.

[shovah]

maybe a mass soul slay could wipe out the vq?

[Peacekeeper]

spam evocations at her, or get to her before she can buff up. most nations have her as their only flyer, makes it easy to target.

[Tom_Scudder]

He's playing spring and autumn tc - there's a lot of flying targets out there.

[Ironhawk]

Tom_Scudder said:
In any case, massed banishers does not seem like a great fit with skelli-spammers. But I could be wrong.



Massed banishers is the traditional counter to skelly spamming. It works particularly well for nations like TC or Pythium since they can also Quicken thier banishers. Everyone else just has to use the cheapo priests. You need more than a 1:1 ratio (priest:spammer) tho. The higher the better.

[Wish]

even soulslay is hard if you give her an antimagic medallion

[shovah]

forgot to mention, new turn is up

[Bluebird]

Can anybody tell me why suddenly I have 5 cultists attacking a foreign (Tien Chi) country ? Is that normal for Ermor to happen ?

[shovah]

yes its normal, and incase anyone else didnt know the new turns up. if somehow you conquer the province and you wish to remain peaceful with said nation then find a way to suicide cultist and give back said province and refund all gems/income

[Tom_Scudder]

I think it would be folly to abandon your cultists. They're YOUR cultists, after all. What kind of god would you be if you sacrificed your worshippers just to keep the peace with some false idol who in any case is already involved in a war on another front?

[Oversway]

Maybe it was an ermorian cultist event, or maybe you attacked tien chi http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[Wish]

it was the event, I'll take back the province, and not hold it against you, since it was the RNG that did it.

[Tom_Scudder]

Wonder if my scouts can get there in time =)

[Wish]

why, trying to start a war with ermor too?

[Tom_Scudder]

Well, if Ermor is disclaiming interest in the province, I don't see why it needs to go back to you =).

[Wish]

oops, new turn, too slow, and oh, oh my, looks like one of your scouts couldn't even make it past a few militiamen. sorry about that http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif

[Tom_Scudder]

Well, poor guy only had one eye. Guess they snuck up from his other side.

[Oversway]

Wow, Marignon is really doing well. I suppose it helps to not be surrounded by vampire queens and other nasty immortals like I am http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[Wish]

f9 flagelants can be pretty nasty

[shovah]

f9 s/a9 flagelants even more so

[Nah27]

No no no, it's because No one expects the spanish inquisition.!

[Tom_Scudder]

Yeah, but then you have like turmoil 3/sloth 3 so the only thing you CAN recruit are flagellants.

[Oversway]

Whatever it is, its working for them in this game

[Tom_Scudder]

I suspect they cleverly got placed near to a bunch of independents no one else was next to. Strategy is key.

[Wish]

well they did get to take all the independants I would have taken had you not attacked me without warning, so I guess there is that.

The thing is, the flagellents are good, but pretty vulnerable to say, archers, since they have no shields.

[Tom_Scudder]

Right, so the real problem was that Marignon didn't have any drunk insane giant vikings at their rear to slow 'em down.

Muahaha

[OG_Gleep]

Attacking Knightsmarsh was in direct violation of our agreement which nullified our NAP. Demanding its income was an insult which can not be forgiven. For this your lands will be burned and your small folk carried back as slaves. It will be war...Ulm shall burn.

[shovah]

just shmonks turn to go

[Shmonk]

Sweet, I get to do 2 turns back to back! I'm still at work, but I'll be home in about an hour and can play my turns then. I'll post when the new turn has hosted.

[Shmonk]

New turn is up!

[Peacekeeper]

hurray!

[Wish]

and I got my capitol back! It is hillarious when a giant retreats and then runs into a watchtower wall, then waits as protection 0 demons of heavenly fire tear them apart.

[castigated]

i thought i would just let everyone know that for the next week and a half (ish), i will probably only be able to play my turns every 24 hours. i may also get someone (a friend i know) to sub a few turns for me, if i'm unable to play. if this presents a real problem for anyone, please let me know asap.

thanks for your understanding and patience.

((note: i don't expect you to change the quickhost, i just mean that if everyone keeps playing their turns within 12 hours of host, that you will always be waiting for me, for the next week and a half))

[OG_Gleep]

I would def miss turns if it went to 12h. I don't have a fixed schedual, but it would be rare for me not to be able to complete a turn within 24h.

[Wish]

basically what he is saying is there is only a small window for him to play his turn, and likely might even stale given this limitatin. at least thats what it sounds like to me.

[castigated]

no, that's not what i mean at all. i just mean that as it's going now, usually after 12 hours, there is one or two people left to play their turns and we (myself included) harass those one or two people to play their turns when there are still 12 hours left. i'm just saying that at the rate we're going, i will be one of thsoe people, and no encouragement will speed me up.

[Tom_Scudder]

That WAS kind of funny. Have fun in your capital, you won't keep it long.

[shovah]

would just like to make one point here: no matter how long it takes and no matter how it is achieved PANGEA WILL BE RAZED TO THE GROUND

[Peacekeeper]

...and no encouragement will speed me up.



wont stop me from bugging ya about it =)

[OG_Gleep]

4 more hours or untill Marignon logs in!

[shovah]

new turns up and Ygorl will be subing for me from this saturday to next unless anyone objects

[Tom_Scudder]

Bwahahaha.

[Wish]

but they come back same turn. funny how immortality works.

[Tom_Scudder]

You left your hat outside, dude.

[Wish]

aw, 5 death gems lost. How shall I recover? honestly its pretty fun thinking ways around eachother's strategies, but having to respond to your cocky attitude in kind is kind of tedious.

[Peacekeeper]

ok, at least 3 people from this game are going out of town for the weekend. Cast and me, then talking to nah about subbing for me in Titans I was told he would be out of town too.

Think we could turn off the times on this game from friday night to sunday night....pleeeeease?

[Nah27]

Yeah that would be good for me, even if I can find a way to get a turn in,it'll be a thing of hungover pain.

[castigated]

i concur. turning off is ideal for all people involved. all important people anyways http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif

(p.s. i &lt;3 you all!)

[OG_Gleep]

lol your votes don't count

Seeing as mine does, I don't mind. Though I am not at war with any of you =)

Seriously its fine with me. Pausing won't hurt at all, skipping 3 potential turns would be really unfair at this point.

[nihilistic]

Sure, no problem.

[Bluebird]

Na - turning off is pointless. We have QH, so lets make use of it: We turn to 72h QH and everything should be fine, even over the weekend.

[castigated]

i don't think we care about the specifics of what happens, as long as Ironhawk is kind enough to take care of us ^_^

[shovah]

just mans turn to go iirc (could be wrong)

[OG_Gleep]

Yep, or 2 hours, whichever comes first.

[shovah]

50 mins to go

[OG_Gleep]

wooo i logged on with 10 seconds to go

[shovah]

and incase that wasnt clear enough turns up

[Peacekeeper]

did man stale?

and your right blue. I meant the same thing with "turn the time off", I was just thinking leave quick host on with no set time, so whenever everyone got their turns in.

[OG_Gleep]

Ya he did.

[Oversway]

Is Ulm dead?

[shovah]

i think so

[Tom_Scudder]

Not quite dead yet - he's getting sieged in two fortresses, though.

[OG_Gleep]

He's hanging in there. I will take his northern keep this turn though.

[shovah]

pyth and machaka with 4 hours to go

[OG_Gleep]

1 hour, just Pyth to go

[Tom_Scudder]

New turn up

[TheWatcher]

Yeah, I staled. I made a miscalculation about when the next turn was going up. Valentine's Day clouded my judgement.

Alas.

In other news, I really hope Caelum and Mictlan aren't conspiring together. That would just be annoying, though predictable. My only solace is that Mictlan's provinces are deliciously dwindling!

The Black Annis will fight to the end!

PS - That hat comment from before was priceless.

[Peacekeeper]

why....i would never do that to you.

[OG_Gleep]

Did Iron change it to 72h?

[OG_Gleep]

NM yes he did, shoulda checked first before posting.

[Peacekeeper]

sorry bout that guys, all should be put back to normal now that we are all back in town. I suggest turning qh back to 24h.

[OG_Gleep]

Did Tom get a sub for this game?

[Oversway]

I read in an other thread that his laptop died http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif

[Wish]

he got a sub for titans, I guess the sub isn't also doing winnowing

[Peacekeeper]

...26 minutes until he stales :/

[Wish]

he staled, but you don't hear me complaining.

Tom, since you can't get on, I'll let you know how it went, I broke your siege, with a loss of 1 magus, about 18 out of 43 spirit demons, and about 11/26 infantry/horsemen

you lost all but 5 javelineers, 2 gyjas, and 3 shaman (all your nifels and jarls died. sorry)

heck i'll even be nice enough to let you know I used about 8 magus communion master/slaved to counter you magic duel strategy. your duelists suicided, basically.

[OG_Gleep]

LOL I think a lot of words could be used. Nice wouldn't be among them though =)

[Bluebird]

I did not sub Tom as in the other games, as I was involved in this one and thought it unfair to play two parties. IH had the password, but looks like he didn't find a sub. Well, one turn of stale should not ruin a full game ...

[archaeolept]

see wish - that's interesting. it has been claimed that communion does not help in magic duels, but i've remained dubious - how many duel attacks did he make, against what, and none were succesful? if you don't mind providing the specifics...

[Wish]

one was succesful, a tie actually, so they both died, she killed 2 astral magi in one shot - i guess I had them standing to close to eachother, all of them actually only master'd at the time. The slave spell came too late, so I guess it was luck of the draw.

I ran tests in a side game with 1 celestial master vs a number of communioned shaman. Once there where 8 shaman they seemed to be able to kill him more often, so I think the communion does play a factor on comparitive astral levels. but I could be wrong.

Since he was the one magic dueling, the best defence i could think of was a wall of astral mages, equally communioned - which is easier to research in a pinch than magic duel is.

[OG_Gleep]

Good gods. Who kicked the living snot out of Pangea? What happened??

[OG_Gleep]

Looking closer at the scales, Jotuns situation has been explained, but it looks like Citis took a major it as well.

I'm a little bored waiting for the next turn so entertain me with details!!

[Ygorl]

At your service... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif
9 commanders, 329 regular units, and 8 magic beings stormed a C'tissian castle. Half of them died, including the red dragon, and the rest ran away. Alas for them, they had nowhere to run!
It was a good fight, though... I lost over 100 undead in the battle, many of them horsemen. I hope Shovah's happy.

[Folket]

Well, it was a suicide run. With Ermor and Abysia carving up my land I tryed to at least hurt someone before I went down.

[Ygorl]

If this battle had gone the other way, C'tis would pretty clearly have been a goner. I guess Ermor and Abysia would have finished you soon after, though? As it is, it will be tough for C'tis to make a difference, surrounded by big powerful neighbors...
Anyway, again, well-fought. I'm glad your wyrm and my wyrm are on good terms in COW. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Ironhawk]

Bluebird said:
IH had the password, but looks like he didn't find a sub. Well, one turn of stale should not ruin a full game ...



More to the point I did not look for a sub. I am hosting these games but that does not make me responsible for every players turn in every game, you know? If someone doesnt think ahead and get themselves a sub then they just stale and thats the way of things. I'm not trying to be a hardass here, I just other demands on my time and you have to draw the line somewhere.

[archaeolept]

well, i believe it was unforseen circumstances, not something tom could have planned for - nevertheless, it needs to be clear that you have nothing to do w/ finding subs.

[OG_Gleep]

Quick poll, do you guys like sending and recieving PMs in character or out?

P.S. Word is Cast is out for the whole week. Can he be reached by e-mail? We might want to try and find a sub for him.

[TheWatcher]

He's at a cottage, so I doubt any of us can get in touch with him. I prefer using IRC to negotiate more than anything else, since out of game PMs are unreliable and in-game PMs are so slow.

In other news, I'm sad to see Ulm go down. Hopefully, they'll spend more time being diplomatic next game.

[OG_Gleep]

I personally have found the PMs here to be quite effective, and you have a record of your conversation. But the question was more geared towards content rather than method. Do you like communicating as some sort of actual member of your realm (God/King/Diplomat etc.) or as the addicted Dom II player you really are?

Thats too bad. I don't think he has a sub in either game does he?

[Wish]

Ulm practiced zero diplomacy this game. You can all see the results of no diplomacy.

[Oversway]

Don't be so hard on ulm, maybe he didn't feel like playing a wargame for the chit chatting http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[Peacekeeper]

Castigated got himself a sub before leaving. dont worry about that.

right now i prefer a mix on IC/OOC in the PMs, usually in the same style Im responding to.

[Shmonk]

4 minutes until next turn. Looks like Abysia and Jotu are going to stale.

And now the new turn is up.

[OG_Gleep]

Actually he did a little diplomacy, with me. Unfortunatley it ment war, but it was fun back and forth.

[Bluebird]

I just received the following mail from Tom Scudder:

<font class="small">Code:</font><hr /><pre>Argh. Laptop has been downgraded from "fried" to "would you like me to set up
your internal hard disk as an external drive for your new computer?" It's
going to take another week or so to get the new machine - you'd better just
find permanent replacements for me (or AI me) in my games.</pre><hr />

I know that Ironhawk has his password, so if you want to join in for Jotunheim, please mail Ironhawk for the password (you can reference to this posting if you want).

[Oversway]

Marignon is out of control, and growing more powerful each turn. It is time for the smaller nations (which is about everyone else) to team up against him. Otherwise, you could be next!

[OG_Gleep]

LoL either your very brave, or Marignon isn't near you =)

Edit**

Forgot one other option...he's already roming through your lands hehe.

[Oversway]

I've been fighting assorted nations the entire game since turn 5. Might as well be Marignon http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Peacekeeper]

Ulm practiced zero diplomacy this game. You can all see the results of no diplomacy.



he did practice a little diplomacy with his neighbours, just his demands were unreasonable and he wasnt willing to bend. thus, hes the first out.

[Wish]

ah, he didn't even respond to me

[OG_Gleep]

I am looking for supply items, will trade for DH's or anything Van normally has access to. PM me if your interested.

[TheWatcher]

I'm too busy to fight Nah right now!

Yeah, I don't think Ulm realized that people actually form treaties and whatnot. His previous game-experience was pretty much being strong-armed by PK into a tribute. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Shmonk]

Are we setting Jotu to AI? He's staled the last 4 turns, it's more beneficial to set him to AI. Otherwise its easy pickings for his neighbors to gobble up his territories, and the few who are not his neighbor are not going to benefit from any free territory. At least going AI will be a little more of a challenge for his neighbors.

[TheWatcher]

I agree with AIing him.

Looks like Abysia's gonna stale this turn as well.

By the way, how go the wars, Shmonk? I hear from Pythium's sub that he is in danger of being dominion killed.

[Wish]

there are some very strong dominions out there, I am struggling to keep myself afloat as well

[Peacekeeper]

more temples need to be built all over the land!

and ya, go ahead and AI jotun. poor tom =(

[nihilistic]

Is anyone interested in taking over Abysia? Things at the university are extremely hectic and are going to stay that way until April. It is sad to log in and see stale turns..

[OG_Gleep]

Tom might be coming back soon, and until we find a solution for Abysia, its pointless to change anything. As long as one person is stalling, the whole game is slowed down anyway. The second nihilistic finds a sub though, we should AI Jotun.

PS: Nihilistic, might want to ask the guy subbing for you in the other noob game.

[OG_Gleep]

New turn is up.

[Wish]

jotun has probably 3 turns before defeat anyway

[ZeWanker]

nihilistic - I'll take over for ya, I'm a friend of PKs, I think we played a couple of blitz games a while back, I was gumby in irc...

[castigated]

a friend of pk's, eh?...then what does that make me!?...someone you use!?

hehe, just kidding, i'd be glad to see you get in on a game.

[Peacekeeper]

we use you to DM our DnD campaigns, isnt it obvious?

[nihilistic]

Thanks ZeWanker; PM with info sent.

[shovah]

GUESS WHOS BACK! would like to thank ygorl for subbing for me, i am pleased with his work

[castigated]

i would like to buy air boosters. as many as you can get me, as soon as you can get them to me. name your price and pm me. i have had trouble finding what i need thus far, so please ask what i can do for you.

[OG_Gleep]

Awesome, WB Shovah.

Well, that only leaves Jotun. Since we have a replacement for Abysia, I cast my vote to AI them. Would be nice to get the game rolling once again.

P.S: How many votes do we need do you think? And if that threshold is reached, one of us should contact Iron.

[shovah]

not sure how many votes, but if they are as near dead as people say then just go ai

[Wish]

yeah, it wont make a huge difference, just that the AI would probably sdtart spending all that stale gold on crap units to defend the castle

[shovah]

exactly, might cause maybe 1-2 casualties though http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif

[OG_Gleep]

Most of the thread regulars have cast their vote in favor (Wish I don't know which way you went lol). Abysia looks like its gonna stall this turn. ZeWanker when did you think your going to come in?

*edit*

Looks like right now hehe. He got his turn in while i was posting this =)

[ZeWanker]

I thought I had till ~1AM EST to get it in...

[OG_Gleep]

You have till the last second to get it in. Since we were used to seeing Abysia stall, I thought it was going to do so again.

[TheWatcher]

Man, I hope someone knocks Caelum out before I have to fight False Horrors!

In other news, if anyone wants to buy a winged helmet aka air booster, let me know.

[Peacekeeper]

your too late for that.

[Bluebird]

Well - undead hordes normally don't stand a chance against powerful priests. /threads/images/Graemlins/icon01.gif This could be seen in the last battle. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/fear.gif

So, I am begging for support against Marignon, as I have lost the moment of suprise by now and I will not be able to defeat them on my own. Any help (using /threads/images/Graemlins/Dagger.gif or even /threads/images/Graemlins/Grenade.gif) is welcome http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

[shovah]

Aid shall come to defeat the vile marignon undead-hating scum!

ps: new turn is up

[castigated]

may i also point out that we will no longer be waiting on jotunheim, so check your turns more often now, and let's get back to having the turns quickhost every 12 hours (or so) again!

[OG_Gleep]

Are the Lizards and Wood Fairies duking it out?

[Wish]

Was someone selling bags of air or fire helmets?

[Oversway]

I'm going AI. No provices left and I probably wouldn't survive the next attack by marignon. Since I'm going to be out of town for a bit, there is not point holding you all up. Thanks for the game everyone!

[TheWatcher]

Good game Oversway. Hopefully next time we won't get deadlocked early on. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

In the meantime, wars have swept the globe! Nah got the first global spell off as well.

EDIT : The helmet was sold to Marignon, thanks to everyone who responded.

[TheWatcher]

I'm out, everyone. AoE for the loss.

Good game, but as I thought, I'm really not good enough to play Dominions with 75% of the players in here. Good luck to everyone, but I'm hoping Nah wins: he's been the most helpful neighbour I've had, though I have nothing bad to say about Shmonk either.

Caelum is a crafty one, though! Beware his fibs! And Vanheim is hungry for land, no matter the target http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif

[Wish]

I have never been able to play mictlan effectively

[Morkilus]

I spoze that's why you have to WISH for them eh? heh heh... heh.. uh never mind.

TheWatcher: Don't feel too discouraged... though the people in this game are "n00bs", i get the feeling that most of them are pretty familiar with wargames in general. Feel free to discuss where you think things might have gone wrong, early strategies that bit you in the end, etc. And also there are things that people can hardly control that destroy many players, usually involvling getting rushed at precisely the wrong time, failed alliances, etc.

[castigated]

i think i'm out too. i kinda forgot to build an army :\

[DaMilano]

Haha, that's true - but those hydras are quite nasty, though..

[shovah]

are they blessed?

arco to go

[castigated]

not blessed. i played base-pyth. i hadn't made any non-mage troops since about turn 10. that was my biggest mistake. definitely not my only, but by far my biggest.

[shovah]

cast, i generally make the same mistake

[archaeolept]

you can't generally go wrong buying as many principe as possible; in the early game at least. etherealize them, back them up w/ a few spamming mages, and enjoy the feeling of victory.

[shovah]

besides the fact that etherealising them means either they have a long march ahead or your mages are near the front

[archaeolept]

a long march isn't a problem. if you're against archers, you'll also want a couple sacrificial arrow catchers.

[shovah]

a long march is a problem if the enemy has a mage or 2 though

[shovah]

come on shmonk, just you to go

[archaeolept]

shovah said:
a long march is a problem if the enemy has a mage or 2 though



man, if you can't adapt to a mage or two and are playing pythium, I don't know what to say.

[Shmonk]

Didn't quite finish my turn last night (as I hoped). When I get home from work I'll finish it and submit it. So about 4 hours or less until then.

[shovah]

archaeolept said:

shovah said:
a long march is a problem if the enemy has a mage or 2 though



man, if you can't adapt to a mage or two and are playing pythium, I don't know what to say.



just saying that a long march being battered by mages who ignore your etherealness isnt good

[archaeolept]

ok, just to be clear - etherealness is not a universal panacea - but the discussion was about troops in the earlygame. rarely is one up against dangerous mages at that time. Personally, i'd probably just throw a few more arrow catchers into the fight even if I were facing some bonus mage...

[Shmonk]

The next turn is up.

[shovah]

buying flying boots and red dragon armour, pm me to discuss price

[castigated]

damilano, i hope you're enjoying all the gem sites i found for you ;D

[DaMilano]

Oh yes, lots of goodies over here http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Bluebird]

Well - I am going down. Thanks for all the support in trying to reopen the game. I think we can declare Marignon to be the winner http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

Grats Nah ...

[Peacekeeper]

too early to declare him the winner, machaka is still looking strong.

[shovah]

and everyone could just gang up on him (hint hint)

[castigated]

or you could just hope machaka and marignon have their epic battle soon, then let everyone else pick up the scraps (hoping they can beat whoever wins =)

[shovah]

no i would expect one of them to swiftly gain an upper hand and then be more powerful than before with little/no downtime

[ZeWanker]

See what this game needs is nukes. They're the great equalizer. That way, late game, a smaller nation can still take on a larger nation. And really who doesn't want to nuke everything in sight? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[Morkilus]

Even small nations can be a general nuisance to a large nation with a couple "paradrop" spells like Call of the Wild, or summoned SCs. And nukes are not the great equalizer... a small country may have a few nukes, but the large country has a few hundred. And I see you've never wished for Armageddon or cast Burden of Time...

[shovah]

17 player game, 1 or 2 super powers, 10 players wish for armageddon :p

that would be a sight to see

[OG_Gleep]

I have never had much success with CoW(ind/ild). I seem to breed cowards. 3 PD is often enough to send my Canines and my birdbrainis packing.

[Peacekeeper]

and everyone could just gang up on him (hint hint)



says the person who chose to attack machaka two turns ago?

[shovah]

yup

[Wish]

great, getting ganged by vanhiem and marignon. Wonderful.

[TheWatcher]

NUKES! That's exactly what I wanted that game.

This is just a message to everyone left in the game: CAELUM WILL EAT YOUR BABIES AND THEN TAKE YOUR PROVINCES!

[Peacekeeper]

hey, Man officially died this turn! You arn't allowed to talk no more!!!

and stop spreading these lies....I only eat midgets, not babies.

[Wish]

It seems clear at this point, those that allie with marignon will likely fall to marignon.

god I hope I gave your dragon that lycanthope amulet, vanhiem. that would be funny.

[OG_Gleep]

Um just because you got attacked by Marignon does not make him my Ally.

I was going to wish you good luck, but now I'm thinking against it.

[Wish]

so he is an oppertunist. Anyone fighting marignon, build a thug with 100 fire resistance and you can hew threw his zealot horde. Also, a lot of archers would probably be sufficient to wipe them out before they get to your troops with their fire bless...

[OG_Gleep]

Twist of fate gives partial protection.

MAN!!! You got lucky. I was this || close to getting your VQ that turn. Hehe, funny how effective those vans can be at preaching =)

Well played turn.

[Wish]

You ripped appart my archer horde though :/

some heavy hits

[shovah]

a high protection fire resistant thug, try a banelord with red dragon armour, charcoal shield, and a fire resist weapon (dragon armour is only 75% prot right?)

[Bluebird]

Ok - was a nice game you folks - I am done. Now that Marignon seems to stall, you might have a chance. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[OG_Gleep]

GG Bluebird.

Your Vampire Queen arrived just in time to hand me the deed to Tien Chi Wish =). Man I love the winds filled with blades.

[Wish]

yeah, those bladewinds sure did the trick

[TheWatcher]

Someone wish for armageddon, PLEASE.

[Peacekeeper]

nah has s9 on his pretender....get him to. I think hes the only one with the means to right now.

[castigated]

and probably the one person who doesn't want it.

[Peacekeeper]

shhhh =)

[OG_Gleep]

Ding dong the VQ is dead.

[ZeWanker]

Which VQ?

[shovah]

TC's vq i think

[OG_Gleep]

Yep. I had killed all the CM's so he was unprotected. A sage lost his life in a magic duel, but...1 sage for the cost of one VQ...think I came out ahead.

[Wish]

well, except that shes immortal and comes back every turn until you manage to change the dominion. Anyway I have no chance to survive, so whats left of TC will be played by AI.

[OG_Gleep]

Isn't she dead if you take the capitol?

[Peacekeeper]

nope, she just revives outside of the fort until you change the dominion and kill her there.

[OG_Gleep]

Thanks a lot QM!

[Peacekeeper]

....You're welcome???

[Shmonk]

This is turning out to be an interesting game for me. I went up against Marignon's god the last few turns, a baphomet, the first time I've encountered one. Learned a lot on what it can and can't do. And it can do a lot. Yet he fell to my mighty army... er, well, maybe not an "army", but a semi-decked out Thug/SC. I still lost a lot of chaffe in the process to him.

[shovah]

im guessing he just fire shielded+nuked your chaff? most of the immobiles are pretty tough.

[Shmonk]

Yep... fire storm I believe was the most damage.. though it killed more of his chaffe then mine in the bigger battles. It took a Troll King with fire dragon armor and boots of flying to get up to him right away and start dealing damage. But my other thug (banelord, decently equipped) he enslaved right away... I got lucky that my King was immune enough to kill him before it was too late for him as well (but he did get blinded, darn it). But, a priestess should fix him up nicely, and he'll be back in the fight shortly.

[archaeolept]

i like old flamey-head, but he does tend to die. The worst was once when I teleported him into some knights - a lucky lance hit feebleminded him, and he was lying drooling in the mud for half the game...

Another time, since flamey-head tend's to spam paralyze, he got killed as he couldn't retreat, and he had so heavily paralyzed the opponent that he couldn't retreat either, by the final battle turn limit...

[shovah]

lol, that feeblemindedness mustve hurt. all i can say is: he has misc slots, use them

[archaeolept]

ehh, i'm not sure how misc slots help him to drool...

other than, eventually, i forged the chalice http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[shovah]

but a ring of regen/some form of defensive misc couldnt prevented it

[Nah27]

Eh you really don't set up a flamey head to take a lot of a beating anyways, if you throw a barkskin ring on him, he winds up exhausting himself with his own heat aura, and you still only have 10 prot... baphomets are best when no one is hitting them.

[OG_Gleep]

Hrm about the VQ, it hasn't respawned at the capitol (laying siege to it as you said PK), and if she was going to show up, I'd figure it was at the province next door. Just took that one last turn and she wasn't there.

Are you sure she respawns if the Capitol is taken?

[Peacekeeper]

In light of what has happened to Ogs computer in this important part of the game, i suggest we put it on hold until he can get back online, anyone object?