Space Vikings sneak preview

[dogscoff]

Can be found at http://www.sandman43.fsnet.co.uk/viking.htm

Feedback more than welcome in this thread or by email.


cheers=-)

[Dracus]

The battlecuiser is giving the finger like it is saying go F... yourself.

very funny!!!!!

[Baron Munchausen]

The "figurehead" is taken a little bit too far, I think. The segmented look to imitate the "clinkerbuilt" design of a viking longship is much more promising. It would be more effective if it were "longitudinal" like the original clinkerbuilt ships. Would be amusing to put a solar sail on them by default (and have the race always research solar harnessing and use them). The hammer as a space station design is pretty good.

[Instar]

Those are neat pictures. Doing them in 3D in Moray would be tough, at least for me. It would take a good Moray person to carve the head just right

[Possum]

Bah, the Baron is just jealous http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon7.gif

Dogscoff, those designs ROCK, dude!!!

[dogscoff]

Thanks for the encouraging responses.

Dracus: That was intentional, imagine seeing that coming towards you in battle=-)

Baron: Points taken on board. I have considered going horizontal rather than vertical but I think it would just accentuate the flawed perspective. I might try to do something with it when I get to the colouring stage. As for the figurehead, I know what you mean, I think I will experiment with some smaller ones. Oh, and I always intended to put sails on, although I wasn't necessarily going to put them into the AI. I might though...

I'll use this thread to give notification of updates to the page.

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"Pinky, are you pondering what I'm pondering?"
"Uh, I think so, Brain, but balancing a family and a career ... oooh, it's all too much for me. "

[dogscoff]

A small update - I've added a prototype racial portrait. Still no colour.

Haven't had much time to work on the ships lately, but I will be doing more soon. I haven't forgotten your suggestions either, Baron.

URL as always: http://www.sandman43.fsnet.co.uk/viking.htm

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"Pinky, are you pondering what I'm pondering?"
"Uh, I think so, Brain, but balancing a family and a career ... oooh, it's all too much for me. "

[tja]

Great work!
I can't wait to use them!

[Taqwus]

Vikings in space? Now that's an odd idea... I like it. ;-)

Hrmmm, maybe their AI should use boarding parties and troops...

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-- The thing that goes bump in the night

[Spanglemaker]

Great Idea, it's an old classic.
The ships look cool and are certainly original.
I look forward to seeing the finished result.

"In Odins name, we hail thee."
"False peace with bad friends, burns faster than fire. In a few days the flame goes out, all love is lost"

[dogscoff]

Yeah, I can't wait to start work on the speech files, I intend to draw heavily on the legends and Gods to create mythological metaphors for game events:

"All the things in all the worlds wept for Baldur's death. I suspect you shall not be so well mourned."

...and so on.

I also intend to make frequent and innapropriate use of the ö character=-)


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"Pinky, are you pondering what I'm pondering?"
"I think so Brain but, if you replace the P with an O, my name would be Oinky, wouldn't it?"

[Jubala]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by dogscoff:
I also intend to make frequent and innapropriate use of the ö character=-) <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Don't forget å and ä. http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon7.gif

[Lucanos]

Å, Ä and Ö?

Didn't the Vikings use runes and not the alphabet?



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"The best way to seek help is to help the best seek the way."
-Philter

[Seawolf]

Can't wait to see this ship set

[Spanglemaker]

Yep the Vikings used Runes, but the language when translated into latinised script contains many letter variants including the seething th/dh sound.

The tears for Baldur phrase sounds good.

"No man is so generous he will jibe at accepting. A gift in return for a gift,
No man so rich that it really gives him
pain to be repaid."

"Better not to ask than to overpledge
As a gift demands a gift,
Better not to send than to slay too many."

Quotes coutesy of the Havamal

[dogscoff]

OK, another new update is out. Lots of new images, and quite a few replacements. I'm also showing *all* of the images so far rather than a select few.

I've also added a few sub pages:
:A "what is this?" page for ppl who see my page but know nothing about space empires.
:a history page which shows what has been changed, and when. It also has some of the old images which I discarded.
:a notes page which shows my thought processes as I work on the shipset. Thought this might be interesting / useful.
:a mod data page. Details of this in the parallel thread "Modders and shipset creators - please read".

Feedback in this thread and/or the parallel thread as appropiate will be very much appreciated.

Oh, and you'll see I have come up with 2 designs for the fast courier. I can't decide which one I prefer - please voice your opinion here.

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"Pinky, are you pondering what I'm pondering?"
"I think so Brain but, if you replace the P with an O, my name would be Oinky, wouldn't it?"

[Quikngruvn]

I vote for Fast Courier 1. #2 doesn't look quite right without a neck (IMO).

Great shipset, dogscoff! Makes me want to plunder the high seas!

Quikngruvn

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"That which does not kill you will make you stronger." -- Nietzsche

[dogscoff]

...bump... (for Rollo)

{Plundering the high seas}
Funny you should mention that, I plan to make Space Viking images for the Pirates and Nomads mod as well, for maximum pillaging pleasure=-)

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"Pinky, are you pondering what I'm pondering?"
"I think so Brain but, if you replace the P with an O, my name would be Oinky, wouldn't it?"

[This message has been edited by dogscoff (edited 26 July 2001).]

[Quikngruvn]

Dogscoff, CivII has some city names for Vikings. Have/want a list to incorporate into your shipset?

Quikngruvn

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"That which does not kill you will make you stronger." -- Nietzsche

[dogscoff]

Thanks, it could be worth a look. I've been wondering names ile what to use, since I think Norse mythology has already been used for other shipsets. I was considering a list based on different beers, or maybe "pillage", "burn", "loot" etc, but it would be hard to think of enough of those without clashing with other lists.

Please post the list or mail it to me, I'll have a look.

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"Pinky, are you pondering what I'm pondering?"
"I think so Brain but, if you replace the P with an O, my name would be Oinky, wouldn't it?"

[Rollo]

Hello dogscoff,
thanks for bumping this thread. I didn't know it was actually you who is doing the Viking shipset (duh, I kind of feel stupid right now). Maybe my post in the other thread sounded a little odd. I thought I was talking about a third person...

Anyway, I've looked at the preview shipset. I love it! I also vote for Fast Courier #1. (Whats a FC anyway, which mod?)

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>originally posted by dogscoff (in the Spiralus PBW thread):
Wierd coincidence... I've was drawing Space Viking comics at school. ooOOOOoooOOOOooh!!
ANyway, permission to use it is yours as soon as it's working. I'd also love some help with the AI files, although I'm more worried about the "clever" stuff (i design files, anger files) than the spech, which I already have some ideas for.

Anyway, we're getting off topic. Can we continue this conversation on the proper thread? I'll bump it to the top of the forum for you... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well, thanks a lot for your permission. I am sorry that I can't be much of assistance with the AI files. I only have this game for about a week now and have no experience with designing AI at all (always willing to learn, though). Maybe we should ask some of the expert modders about this (suicide_junkie: HEEEEELP !). All I can offer you is mostly moral support and my opinion on things.
Maybe the small and medium freighter should look somewhat more like the big one (which looks great). Right now they look more like the warships (destroyer, light cruiser). Anyway, if I can suppport you in any way, feel free to contact me (email in profile).

Keep up the good work,

Rollo (a Space Viking by heart)

[Suicide Junkie]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>I only have this game for about a week now and have no experience with designing AI at all (always willing to learn, though). Maybe we should ask some of the expert modders about this (suicide_junkie: HEEEEELP !).<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>My AI experience is actually quite limited, basically only what I needed to get AIs working with all of my modded components, shipsizes, techareas & such. I have read nearly all the Posts on this forum, though, and I'd be willing to look into any specific questions you have.

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[Quikngruvn]

Viking city names from Civilization II's "CIVILIZATION CITY LIST"
(Copyright (c) 1995 by MicroProse Software)

Trondheim
Kaupang
Uppsala
Hladir
Aarhus
Viborg
Roskilde
The Udal
Lindholm
Jorvik
Westness
Jarrow
Skara
Ravning Enge
Birka
Jarlshof
Sigtuna
Odense
Lunde
Larne
Hedeby
Aldeigjuborg
Holmgard
Nonnebakken
Ribblehead
Thwaite
Askrigg
Trelleborg
Risby
Jelling
Vorbasse
Fyrkat
Kvivik

I hope this helps! (If this post appears to be too much of a copyright infringement on Microprose, let me know and I'll delete this post with all expedient speed.)

Quikngruvn

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"That which does not kill you will make you stronger." -- Nietzsche

[Rollo]

dogscoff,
I've been making my own race portrait and flag for the Vikings. I doubt that you will include them in your set, but they will be be ones I'll be using (for the meantime). If you want to see them, I can mail them to you.

Rollo

[dogscoff]

Quik..vn: Thanks for the names. Probably not enough there for a full shipset, and the copyright thing makes me a little twitchy, but it's food for thought.

Rollo: Yeah I'd love to see your images. Post them or mail me (dogscoff@altavista.co.uk). You can even have some webspace for it if you want.

Thanks for the feedback too. The fast courier, corvette etc are to be used with Devnullmod. That mod doesn't even support additional images yet, but I'm hoping it soon will.

There are details of the mods supported on the site, as well as information about how and why I made each image and more besides. It's all linked to from the top of the main viking.htm page.

Oh, and don't worry about being an SEIV newbie - by the time I get the viking images finished you'll be an old veteran. (it's taking me ages to do them all=-)

Voting so far:
Fast courier #1 : 2
Fast courier #2 : 0

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"Pinky, are you pondering what I'm pondering?"
"I think so Brain but, if you replace the P with an O, my name would be Oinky, wouldn't it?"

[Rollo]

I will email them to you this afternoon.

[capnq]

Given that I recognize several of the names as modern-day cities, and that you could find them all in historical atlases, I really doubt there's a copyright issue.

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Cap'n Q

The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the
human mind to correlate all of its contents. We live on a placid
island of ignorance in the midst of black seas of infinity, and it was
not meant that we should go far. -- HP Lovecraft, "The Call of Cthulhu"

[Rollo]

dogscoff, I have sent you the images. Have you received them?

suicide_junkie, thank you for your offer to help. I'll try and fiddle around with the AI files over the weekend. I bet I'll have a lot of questions (and I'll try to be specific about them http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon12.gif).

Rollo

[Quikngruvn]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by capnq:
Given that I recognize several of the names as modern-day cities, and that you could find them all in historical atlases, I really doubt there's a copyright issue.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Actually, if we were really antsy about copyright, a good chunk of races and shipsets (read: Star Trek-based) would not have been posted. I put the copyright info as a CYA for the post itself, since I copied and pasted straight from the CivII file.

Quikngruvn

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Ponder this: Scientists already knew that matter is 98% empty space. After they figured out the structure of protons, they determined the remaining 2% is mostly made up of... well, nothing. Who says God doesn't have a sense of humor?

[Suicide Junkie]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>suicide_junkie, thank you for your offer to help. I'll try and fiddle around with the AI files over the weekend. I bet I'll have a lot of questions (and I'll try to be specific about them)<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>You'll have to wait till monday for any of my replies, since I'll be up north in a lake all weekend http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon7.gif

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-&lt;Download compatible EMPs for P&N v1.2 through v1.7 (http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/ubbuploads/suicide_junkie/nomadraceEMPs.zip)&gt;-
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[Quikngruvn]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by suicide_junkie:
You'll have to wait till monday for any of my replies, since I'll be up north in a lake all weekend http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon7.gif
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You're going to be in a lake all weekend? Man, you're gonna be all wrinkled when you get out!

Quikngruvn

[Rollo]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by suicide_junkie:
You'll have to wait till monday for any of my replies, since I'll be up north in a lake all weekend http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon7.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Have fun http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon7.gif. The weekend will probably be over anyway before any serious questions come up http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon12.gif.

Rollo

[Rollo]

Hi,
I have been working on the AI for the Space Vikings and have posted the 0.9 Version over at the mod archive. If any of you are interested, check them out and give me some feedback.

Thanks,
Rollo

[Quikngruvn]

Random item of information: I saw on "Jeopardy!" tonight that the Vikings used ravens on their ships' flags for good fortune in battle, in case you want to incorporate that.

Quikngruvn the Font o' Useless Information

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Stay alert. Trust no one. Keep your laser handy.
--from the RPG Paranoia, now my PBW mantra

[dogscoff]

Testing new .sig

The ravens are a good Idea. Odin had 2 pet Ravens which brought him news. Can't remember their names though, one of them might have been Skoggi. Doesn't matter, might use them on the racial or infantry pics (on a shield or something.)


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[Rollo]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by dogscoff:
I knew about Sleipnir (The name of my fast couriers when playing Devnullmod) but not the wolves.

Who was Skoggi then? Was that one of the Dwarves?

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hmm, I know a little bit about norse mythology, but I have not heard about Skoggi, yet. I'll some research and let you know, if I find something.

Other norse myth. animals:
Svadilfari: Sleipnirs father
Tanngrisni & Tanngnost: Thor's goats that pull his chariot
Gulltop: Heimdall's horse

Rollo

[Rollo]

Hi, again
sorry couldn't find anything on Skoggi.

Some more trivia: Did you know it was Loki (the Trickster) who gave birth to Sleipnir?

Anyway, if you are interested in Norse Mythology you should click here. (http://www.pantheon.org/areas/mythology/europe/norse/articles.html)

Rollo

[dogscoff]

Thinking about it Skoggi might hav been a mid-80s Scandinavian electro-pop group.

Yes I did know that about Sleipnir, but I had forgotten until you reminded me.

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[capnq]

Odin's ravens were Hugin and Munin ("Thought" and "Memory"). He also had two wolves named Freke and Gere, and an eight-legged horse named Sleipner.

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Cap'n Q

The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the
human mind to correlate all of its contents. We live on a placid
island of ignorance in the midst of black seas of infinity, and it was
not meant that we should go far. -- HP Lovecraft, "The Call of Cthulhu"

[dogscoff]

I knew about Sleipnir (The name of my fast couriers when playing Devnullmod) but not the wolves.

Who was Skoggi then? Was that one of the Dwarves?

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[Husky65]

Skoggi is not listed in my intro to Viking Mythology book.

[Andrés]

Hey Dogscoff do you have a functional Version of your pictures to use with Rollo’s AI?
I might be able to help convert pictures to 3d, but I already have too many unfinished projects.

[Andrés]

I painted Dogscoff's ships and combined them with Rollo's AI to make a full shipset.
Waiting for their approval to post it here.

[dogscoff]

QUOTE:
Hey Dogscoff do you have a functional Version of your pictures to use with Rollo’s AI?
I might be able to help convert pictures to 3d, but I already have too many unfinished projects.
/QUOTE


Nope. Sorry. There has been work done since the Last upload but progress is slow and I've always said it will be. I haven't stopped working on them and I will get them finished eventually.


QUOTE:
I painted Dogscoff's ships and combined them with Rollo's AI to make a full shipset.
Waiting for their approval to post it here.
/QUOTE

Yow! I'd better check my webmail. I did have some very definite ideas about the colours and things I wanted to include so I might get a little grouchy about this, but thanks for the contribution.

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[Rollo]

Thank you Andres,
both for your work and your interest. I guess that will be entirely up to dogscoff, since I just do the AI and dogscoff does the graphics. Just let me point out a few things:

1. The AI files are still under construction and currently in testing. I will post any changes in them in the mod archive to keep everybody updated. Current Version is 0.91, but if the Lastest changes have the desired effect, I might be comfortable enough to go 1.0 in the next update for the AI http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon7.gif.

2. Currently the AI uses the generic (neutral) shipset with their own flag for testing purposes. So they can be already used and included in games. Using the painted pictures you did is fine with me. As I said before, it's up to dogscoff, if he feels comfortable with this. Right now, I personally still prefer to use the generic ships, because they remind me that there is still work to be done... http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon12.gif.

3. The current racename is Rollvik (short for Rollos Vikings). This is just a temporary name for testing and PBM use. It is the flag and ships I use for my PBM games.I did this to avoid confusion with the official Viking shipset. I guess, if we are going to use the painted pictures, we will have to make a new racename.

4. Have you played with the AI, yet? If yes, let me know what you think. Please post only praise here and keep criticism private (email) http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon12.gif. Just kidding, of course...

Rollo
[edit] typos

[This message has been edited by Rollo (edited 23 August 2001).]

[Rollo]

Whoops, dogscoff posted, while I was still typing... I hate when that happens.

Rollo

[Rollo]

One thing I forgot to mention: there is a small, but important patch for the Viking AI that I posted in the mod archive (http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/Forum25/HTML/000017.html).

Rollo

[Andrés]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>The AI files are still under construction and currently in testing. I will post any changes in them in the mod archive to keep everybody updated. Current Version is 0.91, but if the Lastest changes have the desired effect, I might be comfortable enough to go 1.0 in the next update for the AI . <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

That's ok. AIs can be updated even after a shipset is considered finished.

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Nope. Sorry. There has been work done since the Last upload but progress is slow and I've always said it will be. I haven't stopped working on them and I will get them finished eventually. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Does that mean you have some more picture you haven't uploaded to your site yet. Sizes missing by now would be colony ships, space stations and starbases (I used resized Versions of the battlestation) and all units (fighters, troops, weap plats and sats), do you have pics for any of them?

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Yow! I'd better check my webmail. I did have some very definite ideas about the colours and things I wanted to include so I might get a little grouchy about this, but thanks for the contribution.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hope you like what I've done. It will be considered temporary until you provide your own official Version.

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>The current racename is Rollvik (short for Rollos Vikings). This is just a temporary name for testing and PBM use. It is the flag and ships I use for my PBM games.I did this to avoid confusion with the official Viking shipset. I guess, if we are going to use the painted pictures, we will have to make a new racename. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
You're right. I'd better rename it something like just "Viking"

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Have you played with the AI, yet? If yes, let me know what you think. Please post only praise here and keep criticism private (email) . Just kidding, of course... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

AI seems to work fine in my test. Maybe they are a little too friendly. Weapon combination seems to work fine and their battlecruiser sized colony ships are really tougher than normal ones.

[Rollo]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Andrés Lescano:
AI seems to work fine in my test. Maybe they are a little too friendly. Weapon combination seems to work fine and their battlecruiser sized colony ships are really tougher than normal ones.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Did you try them before or after the 0.91patch? They were way too friendly before the patch. Partly, because I did name the settings file wrong, I guess. I am still not really familiar about the diplomacy and anger stuff. That is kind of hard to test also, I think, because it depends on so many different factors. I was concentrating on the research, designs and all that. Let me know, if you notice anything else http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon7.gif.

Btw, Andres, I visited your website today and really love the stuff I have seen there. I noticed that some of the shipsets don't have an AI, yet. If you are willing to give a newbie AI modder a chance, maybe we can do somthing together after the Vikings are done.

Rollo

[Andrés]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Rollo:
Did you try them before or after the 0.91patch? They were way too friendly before the patch. Partly, because I did name the settings file wrong, I guess. I am still not really familiar about the diplomacy and anger stuff. That is kind of hard to test also, I think, because it depends on so many different factors. I was concentrating on the research, designs and all that. Let me know, if you notice anything else http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon7.gif.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I had even noticed the spelling mistake in the file name and corrected in my system before the patch was released, but I installed the patch before starting that test.

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Btw, Andres, I visited your website today and really love the stuff I have seen there. I noticed that some of the shipsets don't have an AI, yet. If you are willing to give a newbie AI modder a chance, maybe we can do somthing together after the Vikings are done.
Rollo<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Most shipsets have AI, altough many are just copied from another shipset (not all are listed in the site, something I started doing later).
But sure, you can make AI files for any of my races.

[Rollo]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>I had even noticed the spelling mistake in the file name and corrected in my system before the patch was released, but I installed the patch before starting that test.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
So what you are basically telling me, is that you noticed a bug and didn't inform me.
Shame on you... http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon12.gif

Well, I'll have a look on the anger files again, but compared to other races they shouldn't be too nice. Maybe I am missing something. Do you know, if they were at war with somebody else? That would make them nicer towards you.
One thing the AI seems to ignore, is the maximum allowed treaty parameter. I have set that to T&R, but have seen the Vikings enter military alliances and partnerships in spite of that.

Rollo

[Andrés]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>So what you are basically telling me, is that you noticed a bug and didn't inform me.
Shame on you... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well, it takes two seconds to rename a file, but two minutes to write a note. http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon7.gif
Many times I mod downloaded races in any way I like, since it’s something I do in private for my personal use there's no need on reporting or asking permission.
Actually next time I checked your patch was Online. http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon12.gif

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Well, I'll have a look on the anger files again, but compared to other races they shouldn't be too nice. Maybe I am missing something. Do you know, if they were at war with somebody else? That would make them nicer towards you.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I think they were at war with those blue hammerhead neutral players but had a treat with some other neutral. Maybe it was just because I’m a good and nice player. http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon7.gif
Too bad I erased that game and will have to start over to test them.

[dogscoff]

QUOTE:
Sizes missing by now would be colony ships, space stations and starbases (I used resized Versions of the battlestation) and all units (fighters, troops, weap plats and sats)
/QUOTE

See thework to do page. (http://www.sandman43.fsnet.co.uk/vikingfuture.htm) As well as the sizes you mention, I will be making images for battlemoon/ death star, infantry, and various other modded vehicles.

QUOTE:
Hope you like what I've done.
/QUOTE

I haven't seen your Version yet. Where can I get it?


QUOTE:
It will be considered temporary until you provide your own official Version.
/QUOTE

I have been very busy this summer (4 different weddings to go to, stag nights, holidays, visiting people... I haven't had a weekend "off" since June and won't have another until at least October) so it might be a loooong time before the Viking images are done. Please be patient and bear with me though, I will get there and I would hate for someone else to beat me to it.

QUOTE:
do you have pics for any of them?
/QUOTE

I have some images in progress, but I'm not ready for another upload yet.

And a note to Rollo:
I had planned to wait until all outline images were done before I did any colouring, but I have decided to break my own rule. I should have a completed racial portrait by Tuesday for inclusion in your zips. (I do like the Hagar pics though=-) I'll mail them to you.

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http://www.sandman43.fsnet.co.uk/se4main.htm

[Rollo]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>And a note to Rollo:
I had planned to wait until all outline images were done before I did any colouring, but I have decided to break my own rule. I should have a completed racial portrait by Tuesday for inclusion in your zips. (I do like the Hagar pics though=-) I'll mail them to you.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Okay, great. Can't wait to see it. If I upload the new stuff with the official race picture and flag we need also agree on a new and official race name (and I can finally get rid of the self-centered Rollvik name, which was never intended for public use just for PBW, but I was too lazy to change all the file names http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon12.gif). What do you think (anybody)? Just Vikings_? Space_Vikings_, Odinsons_, Einherjar_, Aesir_ whatever...

Rollo

[dogscoff]

(Fanfare)

"The Dogroll Space Vikings"

(/Fanfare)

What do you think?

A note to Andres - Sorry if my previous post seemed harsh. No offence intended, I really respect your work. I just don't want to lose control of the SV images.

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[This message has been edited by dogscoff (edited 24 August 2001).]

[Andrés]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>I haven't seen your Version yet. Where can I get it? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

It seems that the email listed in this forum is wrong. Trying again with the one listed in your site.

[Rollo]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by dogscoff:
(Fanfare)

"The Dogroll Space Vikings"

(/Fanfare)

What do you think?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

*lol* How does a Dogroll compare to an eggroll?

[capnq]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>One thing the AI seems to ignore, is the maximum allowed treaty parameter. I have set that to T&R, but have seen the Vikings enter military alliances and partnerships in spite of that.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I can't find the thread where I read it, but ISTR some speculation that that setting only limits what the AI will offer, not what it will accept.

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Cap'n Q

The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the
human mind to correlate all of its contents. We live on a placid
island of ignorance in the midst of black seas of infinity, and it was
not meant that we should go far. -- HP Lovecraft, "The Call of Cthulhu"

[Rollo]

I see. Thank you for the info, capnq.

Rollo
[edit] typo (can't even type 8 words right http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon12.gif)

[This message has been edited by Rollo (edited 24 August 2001).]

[Andrés]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>I have been very busy this summer (4 different weddings to go to, stag nights, holidays, visiting people... I haven't had a weekend "off" since June and won't have another until at least October) so it might be a loooong time before the Viking images are done. Please be patient and bear with me though, I will get there and I would hate for someone else to beat me to it.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hopefully I'll have more time then and will be able to help you make 3d models based in your drawings. The simple-geometric shapes of your ships should be a piece of cake after the dragons I'm working on now.

[dogscoff]

OK, there is at least one new image on the space vikings page, in *Glorious technicolour*. Yes, I finally got round to colouring something in. Take a look and tell us what you think.

I've noticed a few mistakes on the image which I'll sort out tonight. See if you can spot them all=-)

Feedback would be appreciated, especially about which courier image to use. (I've only had one or two opinions on that so far)

There is also a flag image, which I haven't posted. To see that you'll have to wait for Rollo's next AI release (soon, I believe.)

To see it, go to the Space Vikings Official Homepage (http://www.sandman43.fsnet.co.uk/viking.htm)

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Work out your code at http://www.sandman43.fsnet.co.uk/se4main.htm

[This message has been edited by dogscoff (edited 06 September 2001).]

[This message has been edited by dogscoff (edited 06 September 2001).]

[dogscoff]

Man it's quiet this afternoon...

Anyway, I will be posting *another* viking update in about... ooh... 3 hours' time. There will be no less than 3 (three!) new ship designs, with another "which do you prefer" survey.

Please take a look and tell me which courier is better, and which ark ship.

Post responses here, or by email or ICQ (details on my website). Space Vikings Official Homepage (http://www.sandman43.fsnet.co.uk/viking.htm)


*Dogscoff wanders off in search of Camembert or Brie...

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SE4 Code:
L GdY $ Fr- C- Sd T!+ Sf-- Tcp-- A% M&gt;M+ MpD! RV Pw Fq+ Nd- Rp+ G-
/SE4 Code
Work out your code at http://www.sandman43.fsnet.co.uk/se4main.htm

[dogscoff]

The full-colour racial pic has been fixd and postd. You know, just in case anyone is intertstd...

*sigh*

Oh no... 3 Posts in a row to my own thread with no rsponss from othr ppl...

I'm turning into LCC!

I'll start complaining about my kyboard nxt..!

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SE4 Code:
L GdY $ Fr- C- Sd T!+ Sf-- Tcp-- A% M&gt;M+ MpD! RV Pw Fq+ Nd- Rp+ G-
/SE4 Code
Work out your code at http://www.sandman43.fsnet.co.uk/se4main.htm

I just discovered something interesting! There is no dictionary entry for knaw here! I suppose that means that I am a set of a different quirk rather than a horse of a different color. A quirky quark quacks quickly quietly but slowly builds to a quescendo!

Rollo, Rollo, did you never read the legend of the contest ? Your picture has him drinking from a stein!

Where is the fleugalhorn with which the ocean was drunk ?????

Aha another difference! You say flugelhorn
http://www.azizamusic.com/peterherbert/projects.htm

[dogscoff]

QUOTE:
knaw
/QUOTE

The only Knaw I know is at http://www.supermegatopia.com/profiles/knaw.html

QUOTE:
Rollo, Rollo,
/QUOTE
#
It's not Rollo doing the gfx, it's Dogscoff. Hello=-)

QUOTE:
did you never read the legend of the contest ? Your picture has him drinking from a stein!
Where is the fleugalhorn with which the ocean was drunk ?????
/QUOTE

I guess it depends on your translation and/or Version of norse oral history. In mine there is no mention of a "fleugalhorn". Also, that was Thor who drank from the oceans until the tides were created. This is just a generic Viking leader somwhere in the 25th Century.

Thanks for the interest anyway. Good to know thre are some more Norse mythologists (?) out there-=)

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Work out your code at http://www.sandman43.fsnet.co.uk/se4main.htm

Aha a script at Last! What I had in mind was a combination of :

Come on without come on within youve not seen nothing like the mighty quinn
Come on without come on within youve not seen nothing like the mighty quinn
And when the Eskimo gets here
everybodys gonna jump and cheer

Somebody let the cat out of the bag
And now its going like a bat out of Hell
I built it one piece at a time and it didnt cost me a dime....
I prefer to be a passenger.
I need female/woman drivers.
I would like to live at Majestic.
I would like to listen to music in one of these :
http://www.waterfalls.net/genesis/sub1b.html

[dogscoff]

QUOTE:
Aha a script at Last! What I had in mind was a combination of :
Come on without ... {insert more crap lyrics here}
/QUOTE

WTF has that got to do with the Space Vikings shipset?

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Work out your code at http://www.sandman43.fsnet.co.uk/se4main.htm

[Rollo]

Wow, this thread was all the way back on page 3.
*bumpidibump*

Oh, almost forgot there is a new Version of the Vikings: TADAA! http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon7.gif new gfx, better AI, more Viking stuff, a "must-have".

You can find it HERE (http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/Forum25/HTML/000017.html).

Enjoy http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon7.gif

Rollo

[dogscoff]

QUOTE:
Oh, almost forgot there is a new Version of the Vikings: TADAA! new gfx, better AI, more Viking stuff, a "must-have".

You can find it HERE (http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/Forum25/HTML/000017.html) .
/QUOTE

or HERE (http://www.sandman43.fsnet.co.uk/vikingdownload.htm). In future, only major updates will be posted to the forum. Keep checking the official viking homepage (http://www.sandman43.fsnet.co.uk/viking.htm) for minor updates.

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SE4 Code:
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/SE4 Code
Go to my meagre SEIV pages (http://www.sandman43.fsnet.co.uk/se4main.htm) to generate your own code.

[Rollo]

Bug alert for the Space Vikings v.0.92:
I named one of the AI files wrong (again). Doh! The speech file is named vikings_speech.txt instead of vikings_AI_Speech.txt. This will not produce an error and the AI will work just fine, but you won't get all the nice Viking speech dogscoff and myself made up. For your full enjoyment of the Vikings you should rename that file http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon7.gif.

Thank you for your attention,
Rollo

[Rollo]

I have posted an AI update for the Vikings in the mod section. (http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/Forum25/HTML/000017.html)

Rollo

[Rollo]

And for those people who always want to be up-to-date. Here is another Viking AI patch.
Version 0.94a (http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/ubbuploads/Rollo/VikingAI_patch0.94a.zip)

Rollo

[Stockman]

I downloaded the vikes and got the generit shipset that comes with the game Could someone explain that please?

[dogscoff]

Easy. I haven't finished the "proper" images yet. Be patient my friend, I hope to have them finished by November.

You can get an idea of what the vikings will look like at my webspace. Click the link on my .sig.

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L GdY $ Fr- C- Sd T!+ Sf-- Tcp-- A% M&gt;M+ MpD! RV Pw Fq+ Nd- Rp+ G-
/SE4 Code
Go to my meagre SEIV pages (http://www.sandman43.fsnet.co.uk/se4main.htm) to generate your own code.

[Rollo]

I have posted a new Version of the Space Vikings in the mod archive (http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/Forum25/HTML/000017.html) http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon10.gif.

Major graphical update (all ships and units) and much better AI to work under SE4 Version1.49.

Features: extra ship pictures for special ship sizes (Battlemoon). The AI will invade planets with troops and uses some other unconventional tactics.

As this is a pre-CD release Version, any comments and especially bug reports are more than welcome.

Have fun and remember: "Beer planets are best!" http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon7.gif.

Dogscoff & Rollo

[Andrés]

Dogscof,
I like how the pictures look now "offically" painted. Love the new ones.

Most pictures in your web site don't work...

[Deathstalker]

I like http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon7.gif.

Will have to add on to my next test game. (or real game for that matter.)

[Atrocities]

This set is another must have for my collection. http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon7.gif

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New Age Ship Yards (http://www.angelfire.com/tv2/NewAgeShipyards/index.html)

"We've made too many compromises already, too many retreats! They invade our space and we fall back -- they assimilate entire worlds and we fall back! Not again! The line must be drawn here -- this far, no further! And I will make them pay for what they've done!" -- Captain Picard STNG

Borg (http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/ubbuploads/Atrocities/Borg.zip) Breen (http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/ubbuploads/Atrocities/Breen.zip) Species 8472 (http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/ubbuploads/Atrocities/8472.zip) Cardassian (http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/ubbuploads/Atrocities/Card.zip) Dominion (http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/ubbuploads/Atrocities/Dominion.zip) STNG (http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/ubbuploads/Atrocities/Fed.zip) Ferengi (http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/ubbuploads/Atrocities/Ferg.zip) Klingon (http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/ubbuploads/Atrocities/Klingon.zip) Romulan (http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/ubbuploads/Atrocities/Romulan.zip)
Trek Movie era (http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/ubbuploads/Atrocities/Tos.zip) TOS (http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/ubbuploads/Atrocities/Trekos.zip) Illuminati (http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/ubbuploads/Atrocities/Illuminati.zip) Starwolf (http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/ubbuploads/Atrocities/Starwolf.zip) Rogue Fleet (http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/ubbuploads/Atrocities/RogueFleet.zip) SS Tutorial (http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/ubbuploads/Atrocities/SSTutorial.zip)

[dogscoff]

The broken links on the website are deliberate. I didn't want to spoil this release by making all the images available too early.

I'll be updating the website soon. Also, you may have noticed a readme.htm file in the zip alongside the readme.txt - it's a good way of viewing the shipset.

I'm hoping to update the images again before the CD burn - there's still lots of work to do.

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/SE4 Code
Go to my meagre SEIV pages (http://www.sandman43.fsnet.co.uk/se4main.htm) to generate your own code.

[ZeroAdunn]

That is one nice looking shipset, what programs did you use?

On a scale of one to cool, that shipset is freakin awesome....

[dogscoff]

Thanks, they may look nice but wait 'til you play the AI- it's a right vicious b@stard=-) It was all drawn pixel by pixel in paintshop pro. Details at the official space viking homepage (http://www.sandman43.fsnet.co.uk/viking.htm).

I updated the site Last night BTW, so most of the images are up. Hoping to upload the remainder tonight.


Keep your eyes open for new updates- there's loads of stuff to go in yet.

Oh, and Zero - how's your mod coming along? I haven't seen any updates on your site in a while. I noticed you're using the starbase image for your megaship & megabase hulls - why not use the battlemoon ones? There is a generic image in S_J's pirates mod for those races that don't supply their own. Please take a look at the "non-standard images" thread before changing your mod though.

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/SE4 Code
Go to my meagre SEIV pages (http://www.sandman43.fsnet.co.uk/se4main.htm) to generate your own code.

[This message has been edited by dogscoff (edited 16 November 2001).]

[This message has been edited by dogscoff (edited 16 November 2001).]

[Argh]

Very nice graphics! I really enjoyed the ground troops- very amusing http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon7.gif

[ZeroAdunn]

Hey dogscoff, just got your email.

I think I will use the battlemoon pic. I just updated my webpage with a new Version of my mod. It just adds a few things, I don't have a whole lot of time to work on it right now.

I thought you might have created those images by hand. I feel inspired, maybe I'll do a hand drawn shipset. Ahhh, but where to find the time. Hmmmm... Well, I'm off to shoplift some clocks.

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Captain, I found your pants.

[This message has been edited by ZeroAdunn (edited 19 November 2001).]

[dogscoff]

Good news about the battlemoon. Did you look at the other thread? We are still deciding what filename to use for the battlemoon images, so wait for a conclusion on that before changing your vehiclesize.txt or you might find that your mod isn't comaptible.

There's a lot to be said for hand-drawn. Sure, 3D is great for ships, but when it comes to things like racial portraits and ground based images, I think hand drawn is best. Perhap a "hybrid" shipset would be bset.

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/SE4 Code
Go to my meagre SEIV pages (http://www.sandman43.fsnet.co.uk/se4main.htm) to generate your own code.

[Rollo]

bump

Just because the attachments aren't working at the moment.

Here is the latest Version of the Vikings (http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/ubbuploads/Rollo/Vikings_0.96.zip).

Not a new Version still 0.96 (pre-CD-release).

I hope this is working. If not, there is always Dogscoff's Official home of the Space Vikings (http://www.sandman43.fsnet.co.uk/viking.htm).

Rollo

edit: typo

[ 24 November 2001: Message edited by: Rollo ]</p>

[dogscoff]

A link to the old (pre shrapnel Boards overhaul) thread, for the nostalgic among us (Not just to bump my favourite thread, honest=-)

Old thread (http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/Forum23/HTML/002823.html).

[dogscoff]

Damn... this thread had slipped all the way back to the third page http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif I guess that means I'm not doing enough Viking stuff...

Anyway, Version 0.97 is available on my website. I wish I could post it to the forums, but I still have the "File Uploading is not allowed in this forum." message when I post http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif

If I can't post to the "definitive" thread, how do I get this latest Version onto the Gold CD?

[Tampa_Gamer]

E-mail it to me or Mephisto. Since the Space Vikings are part of the TDM-ModPack, please forward any more updates to either of us as well b/c this makes consolidation and tracking a lot easier on us!

Thanks
-TG

[dogscoff]

OK, will do.

Umm... your email address isn't in your profile. If you mail me on dogscoff@altavista.co.uk I'll reply with the latest Vikings attached.

So if the Vikings are part of TDM I won't have to worry about inclusion. Neat=-)


EDIT: Don't know my own email address. Duh.

[ 06 December 2001: Message edited by: dogscoff ]</p>

[Rollo]

Hey Dogscoff,
will you be able to do any graphics within the next 24 - 48 hours. If yes, I will hold off sending in the Vikings and will mail them to Tampa on Sunday. If no, I will send them to Mephisto today, so they'll be part of the Modpack.
Up to you.

Rollo

edit: sorry to contact and bug you in this way, but I thought you might be able to reply faster than by email.

[ 14 December 2001: Message edited by: Rollo ]</p>

[dogscoff]

Yes! I have no time tonight but hopefully tomorrow (Saturday) morning / afternoon I will be able to colour the mining ship and maybe I can get the new large transport and new small troop coloured as well.

(Old large transport &gt; barge and old small troop &gt; Infantry)

And you were right, contacting me like this is a good way of getting my attention, although in future my forum time wil be greatly reduced=-(

So yes, given another 24 hours from this post I can almost guarantee at least 2 more images. Maybe 3. Maybe more?

Why can't I ever get things done on time?

[Rollo]

Okay, fine.

[Rollo]

Hey Dogscoff,
any more pics coming? I'll be up another hour or so. If you have any more graphical tweaks, please send them to me. I will start putting the stuff together and send it in soon. Also check your email.

Cheers,
Rollo

[dogscoff]

Just to let everyone (Especially those of you who contact me by personal email) know that my home internet connection is currently screwed http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon8.gif
&*^$!!!ing windows.

Until I get time to restore it (Looks like a re-install might be necessary) I won't be doing any web page updates, mutltiplayer (I wanted to take part in the translatlantic showdown too http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif ) or emails.

I'm surruptitiously posting this in work hours but after tomorrow the office is closed for xmas and I will be reliant on my poorly modem.

[dogscoff]

Back... Full re-install was necessary.

Bloody Windoze...

[dogscoff]

OK... new Vikings are out.

From now on, Viking releases will be split into Vikings Classic (For 1.49) and Vikings Gold for obvious reasons.

So... Vikings classic 1.00 is now available. There are some new graphics on there (the same graphics that went out on the CD) but the AI files are the same as the Last release.

Can't be arsed to upload it to the forum just now, sorry. You'll have to go to my website (See .sig file)

Later=-)

[dogscoff]

*bump*

Did anyone download this? What do you think?
I'd like some feedback on the new small troop.