Afterthought - (Winner: Baalz as R'yeh!)

[Velusion]

<font color="green">Afterthought</font>

Status Page: http:/http://67.66.187.69/dominions3/stats.php?game=afterthought

Game Type: TCP/IP (static server)
Speed: 24 hours per host for the first 24 turns moving to 48 hours per host after that. Quickhost enabled.
Era: Middle
Players: 21 (all)
Start: Nations will be assigned when we are filled, or 72 hours – whichever is first. The game will start 48 hours after nations are posted.
Nation Selection: Random with exceptions (see below)
Map: 16.6 provinces per player pre-generated map.
Victory Conditions: 225 out of 350 (~65%) provinces controlled, or the surrendering of all other players.
Graphs: On
Hall of Fame: 15
Renaming: On
Everything Else: Defaults
Masterpass: There will be one
Length: If you aren’t eliminated this game might last 6+ Months. Be prepared!

Machacka: Velusion
Abysia: Zolharm
Agartha: Jazzepi
Arcoscephale: Kojusoki
Jotunheim: WSzaboPeter
Marignon: Teraswaerto
Atlantis: Eressil3
Ermor: Lolomo
T'ien Ch'i: Szumo
R'lyeh: Baalz
Mictlan: Vathmoth
Shinuyama: Electro808
C'tis: Hadrian_II
Oceania: Manuk
Caelum: tromper
Man: Arghaii
Vanheim: K
Pangaea: FrankTrollman
Pythium: Tyrant
Ulm: Methel
Bander Log: Sandman

Nation Selection: Once the game is full I will randomly assign nations out. When signing up players may request up to THREE nations they DON’T want. These are nations you DO NOT want to play. Sign up in this thread.

After nations are assigned I’ll need you to email your pretender password to velusion(at)sbcglobal.net. This is because I’ve had issues with the Master Password working in the past AND so we can give your nation to another human player if you disappear. This is not optional. If you PM me your password make sure and include your email address if you would like to be included in the diplomacy email distribution list or want email notifications when turns host.

Once I have your password I’ll send you the ip/port of the server where you can upload your pretender. Once everyone is uploaded I’ll send out an email listing everyone’s email contact for diplomacy purposes and add you to the game turn email notification list (unless you specify otherwise). Then the game starts.

Quickhost will be enabled. The first 12 turns will be set to have a 24 hour autohost – so expect to do at least a turn a day for the first couple weeks. After that the timer will increase to 48 hours though it is hoped that players will normally still be able to play every 24 hours, with the occasional missed day. As turns take longer in late game this might increase further. As players get eliminated we can be more flexible with extensions and extended absences, but not in the first couple weeks.

A small version of the map we will be using is here (http://67.66.187.69/dominions3/afterthoughtsmall.jpg). The map has been tweaked to ensure (hopefully) that all players that start on land have at least four land neighbors and all players that start at sea have 3 sea neighbors. I have also tweaked the ocean connections so that separated sea provinces connect to each other across straits (hence all seas that look like they should be connected are linked). All the larger landmasses are linked across the straits as well. This map is a result of lots of random generation and a wee bit of photoshopping. If we do not fill, we will be using a smaller map.

Players who wish to surrender (resign) should simply let me know so we can find a replacement or turn the nation to computer controlled. If you will be unavailable for longer than a few days please let me know. Failing to do you turn twice a in a row without letting us know will get you put on AI. If I think you are missing too many turns (e.g. 3 out of the last 6) I will put you on AI. Once (*ahem* - If) I am eliminated I’ll rely on the remaining players to tell me when something needs done with the game.

Things that are generally frowned upon and could get you put on AI:

• Excessively reminding people to do their turn or telling people to hurry up.
• Exploiting known bugs on Edi’s bug list (see main forum sticky).
• Spoofing or faking emails/PMs from me asking for people’s passwords.
• Threatening or harassing players with consequences outside of Dom3 games.

[Zolharm]

I'd like to join.

And i don't want to play ULM , MICTLAN and Agartha

[Jazzepi]

Sign me up.

No Ti'en Chi, Neiflifhaifham giants, or Midgar.

Jazzepi

[Kojusoki]

Kojusoki here.
No ULM, Mitclan or MAN please

[WSzaboPeter]

Sign me up for anything but Mictlan, Abysia or T'ien Ch'i.

[Teraswaerto]

I am here. No Abysia, Pangaea or R'lyeh.

[Eressil3]

I would like to be in.

No mictlan, no oceania, no ulm please.

[LoloMo]

Sign me up please. No C'tis, Abyssia, Pythium

[Szumo]

I'd like to join too. No Ulm, Abyssia, Man.

[Baalz]

I'm in, good god no Mictlan. Other than that, I guess I'll steer away from Pangea and Shinuyama.

[Folket]

I'm in, no Caelum, Ulm or Marignon.

[Electro808]

Il play! no atlantis, oceania or r'lyeh.

[Hadrian_II]

i'm in too.
no man, arco or tien chi

[Manuk]

I would like to join. No Acro, No Vanheim, No Man

[tromper]

If I'm not too late, I'd like to join. No R'lyeh, Agartha, or Man.

[UninspiredName]

Ooh, count me in. No R'lyeh, Oceania, or Machaka.

[K]

I'd like to play. No Agartha, C'tis, or Ulm.

[Tyrant]

Sign me up, no Ulm, Argatha or Caelum please.

[WSzaboPeter]

It's interesting, that many people avoid middle era Mictlan. Maybe that nation is need of a revamp.

[Methel]

I'd like to play too, I'll even promise not to kill you off right in the beginning http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

No Agartha or Mictlan please.

[Sandman]

I'll take the last spot. I don't have any preferences.

[Tyrant]

WSzaboPeter said:
It's interesting, that many people avoid middle era Mictlan. Maybe that nation is need of a revamp.



Aby and Ulm look very unpopular too. Ulm is easy to understand, not sure why Aby is unpopular given it's awesome end game. Possibly people don't like the hassal of blood magic.

[K]

Soooo, whats the magic site freq. on this map?

[Wikd Thots]

Tyrant said:

WSzaboPeter said:
It's interesting, that many people avoid middle era Mictlan. Maybe that nation is need of a revamp.



Aby and Ulm look very unpopular too. Ulm is easy to understand, not sure why Aby is unpopular given it's awesome end game. Possibly people don't like the hassale of blood magic.


For me, I would avoid any of the nations that are considered no-brainers by the experts. Better to lose with a nation that nobody thinks can win than to lose with one everyone thinks is easy. Have all kinds of "helpful" rude people tell you what you obviously did wrong.

I was going to join but it looks like you have plenty. I am not sure that I am ready for a game this big yet.

[Velusion]

Default magic sites for middle era (40 I think)

[Velusion]

Nations posted! email me your passwords and I'll give you the port/server to upload your pretenders. velusion(at)sbcglobal.net

[Teraswaerto]

Tyrant,
My reason for not wanting Abysia was simply because I'm already playing them in 2 MP games. Others may have similar reasons.

[LoloMo]

My reason for not taking Abyssia was also that I am playing them in another MP game. I try not to repeat playing a nation that I have already played too.

[Velusion]

I am missing passwords from:

Abysia: Zolharm
Agartha: Jazzepi
Jotunheim: WSzaboPeter
Atlantis: Eressil3
Mictlan: Folket
Man: UninspiredName
Pythium: Tyrant
Ulm: Methel

If you have sent them to me and I missed it please resend it. Thanks!

Remember you don't need to have the god ready to just supply me with the password.

[Eressil3]

I sent it. Since mail seems not reliable, I'll mp it to you too.

[Sandman]

Are we using the worthy heroes mod? Not that I'm biased or anything, but Bandar Log has no heroes in the base game.

[Velusion]

Nope, as listed in the game description there are no mods.

[Methel]

mines also sent, still no reply though. *poke poke velusion*

[Velusion]

Ok just sent replies to everyone.

[Velusion]

I am missing passwords from:

Mictlan: Folket
Man: UninspiredName

[Arghaii]

I'd like to join, if it's not too late.
I have no preferences.

Let me know if I am accepted, and I will email you with a password http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

my e-mail is: lnikolaidis@gmail.com

[Velusion]

Arghaii said:
I'd like to join, if it's not too late.
I have no preferences.

Let me know if I am accepted, and I will email you with a password http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

my e-mail is: lnikolaidis@gmail.com



We are filled up Arghaii - sorry!

However I'm still missing passwords from two people. If I don't get these by the end of the day I'll let you have one of their spots.

[Kojusoki]

good idea... when are we going to start?

[Velusion]

Kojusoki said:
good idea... when are we going to start?



Once all the gods are uploaded http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

[Methel]

Using sheps "rules" of diplomacy this time please?
the fallout becouse of the somewhat rigid rules of last game had me worried.

[Velusion]

Methel said:
Using sheps "rules" of diplomacy this time please?
the fallout becouse of the somewhat rigid rules of last game had me worried.



I'm not sure what you are talking about...

[Jazzepi]

WSzaboPeter and I had a disagreement over the terms of our NAP. Since the rules for the game were that "you must obey treaties" instead of Shep's rules, it created some tension. Ultimately, WSzaboPeter ended up leaving the game.

I, personally, never want to play a "you must obey treaties" game again. Shep's rules are much simpler in that there are no headaches from disagreements over what an NAP stands for. If you disagree with the other person, then you simply break the pact. No need for rules lawyering.

Jazzepi

[Vathmoth]

Hi,

If one of the two missing players don't send their passwords, may I play one of those nations? My email is Vathmoth@gmail.com

Thanks

[tromper]

hahah, after reading this supposed 'code of conduct', I'm still chuckling.

It begins with a 'do anything you want and break any treaty you feel like breaking, at any time, because you want to win at all costs and so does everyone else' sort of vibe, and then follows up with an 'if you promise to trade something, you'd better trade it or you're being a jerk'. Makes no sense to me.

Personally, I'd prefer to play with honest people that respect treaties. There are myriad other ways to 'backstab'. *shrug* It's up to Velusion and you guys though of course. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Hadrian_II]

tromper said:
It begins with a 'do anything you want and break any treaty you feel like breaking, at any time, because you want to win at all costs and so does everyone else' sort of vibe, and then follows up with an 'if you promise to trade something, you'd better trade it or you're being a jerk'. Makes no sense to me.



It makes sense, if you consider that in reality you can make trades directly on the spot and if the other does not give you his merchandise, you do not give yours. But as in dom, you send your stuff one turn and dont know if the other does so too, this rule makes sure that he has to send his stuff too.

[tromper]

If you are intimating, Hadrian, that in 'real life' treaties are broken, etc., and that trades are always consummated as promised. Uh. I disagree. This artificial delimitation is hackneyed in my opinion. "Hi, I'd like to be your friend. I won't attack you for five turns. Also, I'd like to trade you fifty gems for The Chalice." Next turn, you and yours expect to receive these gems because the 'rules' say so, yet you're okay with being attacked randomly because treaties mean nothing substantive. I don't get it. But I won't make further commentary regarding it, either. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

I already stated my little preference and play-style, and others have theirs. It's especially fun to be an *honest* bad guy, for me, if I want to go that route. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif

Velusion should probably make it clear what dictates are in effect given previous problems or whatever.

[Jazzepi]

I've always felt that the transaction part of the rules was a compensation for the fact that the game has no mechanics to govern it. Generally you propose a trade, the other person accepts, and the swap happens. Since there's no in game mechanic for it, we just use out of game honesty.

Jazzepi

[Teraswaerto]

I really hate the idea that there would be some external "you must obey treaties" rule. How would that be enforced anyway? Same goes for trading, though I think the cost of becoming known as someone who can't be trusted as a trading partner would be pretty prohibitive.

[Velusion]

I don't enforce any sort of those rules in my games. IF someone wants to break a treaty or steal stuff for a trade agreement it's their prerogative. Likewise you can RP your play-style or min/max it to win.

The only things that could get you into trouble in my games:

• Excessively reminding people to do their turn or telling people to hurry up.
• Exploiting known bugs on Edi’s bug list (see main forum sticky) or obvious bugs that aren't on Edi's list.
• Spoofing or faking emails/PMs in order to get nation passwords.
• Threatening or harassing players with consequences outside of Dom3 games.
• Hacking the game files or my server in any way.
• Playing more than one nation in the same game.

I will echo Terawaerto's post that if you DO steal from an agreed upon trade of goods it's very likely you will be ostracized, both in this game and future games around here. People are free to do what they want, but they are also free to let everyone know you are thief and carry over grudges into future games. I can honestly say I haven't heard of anyone purposefully stealing on a trade in any MP dom3 game, but it could (and probably will) eventually happen.

Treaties are much more debatable and opinions on if it's OK to break them vary widely. My only advice to those that take treaties seriously is to avoid those who have been known to break them regularly in the past. If you don't have any sort of player history to go on, ask around or simply be careful.

Edit: Added another to the list (once you get going you start adding rules you can't stop!)

[Eressil3]

Teraswaerto said:
I really hate the idea that there would be some external "you must obey treaties" rule. How would that be enforced anyway? Same goes for trading, though I think the cost of becoming known as someone who can't be trusted as a trading partner would be pretty prohibitive.



Same opinion here.

edit : BTW give me 100 astral gems and I'll give you 200 !!! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

[Velusion]

Ok, the deadline for sending me passwords and uploading gods was 48 hours... I waited over 72. I'm giving Folket's and UninspiredName's spots to the other players that requested them to get things moving. Hope to see both Folket and UninspiredName in future games!

Arghaii is assigned Man
Vanmoth is assigned Mictlan

Both of you need to send me passwords for your pretenders ASAP! (I'll follow this up with an email to you).

Other than that we are just waiting on Pythium (Tyrant) to upload his pretender.

[Tyrant]

Opps, sorry i missed that, i'll upload tonight.

[Arghaii]

Thanks for the game.
Btw good idea sending me that e-mail, I'm not sure I would had checked the forums today. I didn't expect a vacant spot anyway.

Let's get rolling:)

[Velusion]

Just waiting on Vathmoth. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Velusion]

The game has started!

Good luck everyone.

[Jazzepi]

The great pale skinned people of Agartha rise now from their slumber. Banners held high they shall bring civilization to the barbarians and knowledge of the true God to the unbelievers.

Prepare yourselves for conversion!

Jazzepi

[Kojusoki]

Jazzepi, we are preaparing for your incoming, trust me http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[Jazzepi]

Last time I attacked on like turn 6 I got dominion killed!

Kekekekekeke /threads/images/Graemlins/Bug.gif

[Xietor]

I love MA games, if anyone has to take an extended break or wants out, let me know. With MA i am pretty familiar with every race.

[Methel]

Hmm i seem unable to connect, I somehow no longer have the map file and it wont let me dl it.

[Manuk]

Could there be a special icon for this thread like the other games?

[Velusion]

Manuk said:
Could there be a special icon for this thread like the other games?



Done!

[Manuk]

thanks. grapes.

[Velusion]

Manuk said:
thanks. grapes.



Nope, Cherries!

[Electro808]

" I love MA games, if anyone has to take an extended break or wants out, let me know. With MA i am pretty familiar with every race. "

You can take over for me if you want.

[Xietor]

Sure.

[Xietor]

I need the pw from you please. If i get it soon enough i can avoid a stale turn.

[Xietor]

My apologies.

I put shin. on AI. After taking it over, it had only its capital, and 90 percent unrest from bad events(misfortune 3).

When I volunteered to take it over, I was not looking for a nation in a great spot, but I cannot take the misfortune 3.

[Jazzepi]

I have the best new strat. Play in as many games as possible and take misfortune three, order three. As long as you get past a certain point in the game without some of the terrible misfortune 3 events, you stay in. Otherwise you just quit and play one of your other ones!

Jazzepi

[Manuk]

you should offer your spot to someone else instead of going ai

[Xietor]

I was not the original player, so i did not take the mis. 3. I was asked to take it over and i did. However, velusion said it should have just gone on ai, so that is where it is.

If I had started the game i would have stuck it out. But i would not ask anyone to take that over a nation so handicapped.

[Velusion]

Xietor said:
I was not the original player, so i did not take the mis. 3. I was asked to take it over and i did. However, velusion said it should have just gone on ai, so that is where it is.

If I had started the game i would have stuck it out. But i would not ask anyone to take that over a nation so handicapped.



I have to agree with Xietor. No one deserves to be given a hopeless position. Switching over to AI is fine, provided the situation is actually hopeless.

[Eressil3]

Seems like Arco will stale !

[Kojusoki]

Nope - sorry for delay.

[Velusion]

Now that the latest patch is out, I'm going to leave this game down until the other games hosted by the same server complete.

At that point I will patch the game on the server and make them available again.

So this game will be unavailable for about 24 hours.

[Hadrian_II]

dumb question, does this mean players can patch now, or do we have to wait until the next turn http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/confused.gif

[Velusion]

All my other games still require the 3.06 patch. If you playing in my other games, and have already completed your turn - you may patch with no problem - provided you don't get back into the game.

Just DO NOT connect to a server still running 3.06 with a patched 3.08 client.

[Kojusoki]

I understand you will let us know here when the server is patched. I have patched the game and havent made my turn yet.

[K]

Did the turn run before or after the patch?

[Velusion]

Before. It will be patched and then the server will be started up tonight.

[Velusion]

Server has processed the turn and is back up with 3.08. Make sure you have the patch!

[tromper]

Welp I dunno what the deal is, but I've staled a second time. Not in a row. And yes I'm patched to 3.08. Was unable to log in all day as the server was down and this hasn't been a problem in my other games. No big deal, but. *shrug*

[Velusion]

The server was down all day waiting for my other games to catch up with it so I could patch everything at once. I took it down yesterday after the natural timer ran out (you staled on that turn normally) and it didn't come back up tonight.

[tromper]

Huh. Well you know what's what - I must have goofed my timing with a quicker, errr, slower clock or something. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/redface.gif

[lch]

Velusion had trouble with the timer before, but I think he managed to fix that by migrating from a VMware machine to a real server.

[Jazzepi]

I tried connecting with 3.8 and it said my version was out of date.

Jazzepi

[Jazzepi]

Nevermind!

Jazzepi

[Velusion]

Anyone else having that problem? I can connect just fine via 3.08...

[Jazzepi]

I posted nevermind because I realized I was connecting with the 3.6 client.

Jazzepi

[Manuk]

I have to denounce treason by Eressil3 from Atlantis. As he agreed to a NAP and attacked me later.
The same turn that he attacked me he sent an in game message saying "i declare war upon you" and that's something that is not suposed to happen with a NAP.

[Baalz]

Manuk said:
That's something that is not suposed to happen with a NAP.



Yep, sucks when people don't honor their NAP, huh?

[Eressil3]

Manuk said:
I have to denounce treason by Eressil3 from Atlantis. As he agreed to a NAP and attacked me later.
The same turn that he attacked me he sent an in game message saying "i declare war upon you" and that's something that is not suposed to happen with a NAP.



That's true.

But Oceania is not fair at all. Atlantis diplomats remember how this so called "NAP" was born.

From Oceania :
"NAP ?"

From Atlantis :
"Yes !"

And that's all...

So what's this ? A 1 month NAP ? A 2 months NAP ? A NAP with 1 month warning before hostilities ? No that's just nothing...
Sorry but a true NAP must contain at least one breaking condition. You have to admit what you call a NAP is just undefendable.

You can still send your further complaints to the atlantian minister of justice !

[Manuk]

Yep, sucks when people don't honor their NAP, huh?



So, I must assume that you have nothing to do with this treason?
and that you have not allied with him from before the game started?

[Baalz]

I don't really care what you assume, but FWIW the only role I played in this was letting him know, since he shared a border with you, that you were prone to not honor NAPs. I haven't even attacked you, though I will now that you've decided we're at war.

[Manuk]

For the people that were not in Radiance game. I attacked Baalz when he attacked my ally despite that I specifically asked not to do so. I see that of honoring my alliance with Shmonk and that's better than dealing with someone that didn't even answer diplomatic messages.

Sorry for this long explanation but at least is complete.

[Eressil3]

Manuk said:

and that you have not allied with him from before the game started?




Please remember it's a game ! And please don't fall in the conspiracy theory !

If you want the detailed story here it is . There is no big conspiracy behind :

- I'm a beginner. I played in few games and I believe Baalz was not in. I don't know him.

- You (Manuk) sent me an alarming message (turn 2 or 3) about R'lyeh. Something like :"prepare your armies, R'lyeh he's not in a diplomatic mood !!!"
- I found this message rather odd so early in the game. Therefore *I* made the first step toward R'lyeh to judge him by myself.
- R'lyeh seemed pretty diplomatic. So *I* (not him) suggested an alliance to crush Oceania. Sorry Manuk but I don't like to be pushed by strange alarming messages. Baalz answered something like "Why not ? But not now..." He wanted to destroy another nation.

So you see Manuk : you was not pre-targeted by Baalz but by me !

Why ? Because our scouts knows what you're hiding inside your walls !!! Here is a report !

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v725/Northrog/Mermaidtarget.jpg

[Velusion]

Eressil3 said:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v725/Northrog/Mermaidtarget.jpg




Hah!

[Szumo]

Underwater war over tits. Sounds like fun http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif

[Manuk]

allright. I will send the chicks as soon as they defeat me but only to someone who will fight them.

[tromper]

I have noticed that diplomatic efforts and agreements often get confused, at least in larger games. What I've started doing is writing down what I've agreed to. Or better yet, use the forum mail system to have something to refer to in the future if need be.

But I feel sort of badly for Manuk anyway, as declaring a 'Yes!' to an obviously confused player regarding normal-ish diplomacy efforts seems rather inconsiderate and reserved for 'win at all costs' sorts of players, of which there are many. It would have been very easy to ask for clarification instead of just deluding the guy, but hey, just my opinion.

Don't let this tick you off too much, Manuk, there'll be other games comin' up. You can always drop out of a sign-up if you see someone you strongly dislike or something. And every lesson is hard. And not because of the mermaids.

[Velusion]

This will be the second turn Vathmoth has staled. If I don't hear from him by tomorrow afternoon I'll put Mictlan on AI.

[Szumo]

Sorry for putting you out of game so quickly WSzaboPeter, but i had to expand somewhere, so one of my neighbours had to go http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif
See you in another game perhaps.

[Eressil3]

tromper said:
But I feel sort of badly for Manuk anyway, as declaring a 'Yes!' to an obviously confused player regarding normal-ish diplomacy efforts seems rather inconsiderate and reserved for 'win at all costs' sorts of players, of which there are many. It would have been very easy to ask for clarification instead of just deluding the guy, but hey, just my opinion.




It's a one sided view of things.

Why do you assume he was *obviously* confused ??!!
When I received the "NAP ?" question, I was really confused. That was the first time I saw such kind of "NAP". I was pretty sure that not putting details or breaking condition was a way to backstab me later... A NAP can't just be an indefinite NAP or it's not one.

That's true, I did not ask for further details but he did neither... You should consider that. What were his true motives ? Did you ask yourself this question ?
Now it's easy to call for treason !
I had bad intentions and I do think he had some too.

I will not defend myself anymore. I told what I had to tell and how I lived this little story.

No ! I forgot this one : I'm not either a 'win at all costs' sort of player... And I find this rather offending.

Now let's hunt some mermaid !

[Szumo]

How many turns has Mitclan missed now? Perhaps it's time to set it to AI?

[Velusion]

Szumo said:
How many turns has Mitclan missed now? Perhaps it's time to set it to AI?



I'll do that today

[Manuk]

Eresil, send more frogs. Baalz send more squid-faces.
I know you have many.

[Jazzepi]

Manuk said:
Eresil, send more frogs. Baalz send more squid-faces.
I know you have many.



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I think Manuk might be calling you guys out.

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Because there's nothing like inciting your neighbors to violence when you're still trying to fend off a rush by Vanheim.

Jazzepi http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

[Eressil3]

Manuk said:
Eresil, send more frogs. Baalz send more squid-faces.
I know you have many.



Yes that's true. I'm sorry but I don't think you'll get help since R'lyeh and Atlantis are not major threat anymore for this realm and air breather can see the growing power of Ermor, Tien Chi and Marignon.

Our reef dwellers didn't found even ONE mermaid in your first fortress /threads/images/Graemlins/Cold.gif
You should recruit at least one ! /threads/images/Graemlins/Woman2.gif

[Teraswaerto]

You wound us, we only wish to live in peace, and protect everyone from the undead! We are threat to no-one, unless of course, you are an agent of darkness?

-Sethan, prophet of Morningbright

[LoloMo]

The undead wishes only to shuffle about in peace. Pray, do not include us in your sermons, lest we take your meaning seriously.

[Teraswaerto]

Peaceful shuffling somewhere out of sight is tolerable, we also regard heretics and various monsters as things to protect the world against. The House of Fiery Justice accepts all guests, and our hospitality has a lasting effect on every visitor!

-Sethan, prophet of Morningbright

[Sandman]

Looks like C'tis has stalled.

[Velusion]

I'm not in this game anymore, so if anyone stalls twice in a row please let me know and I'll arrange for him to be put on AI or find a sub.

[Teraswaerto]

Is the server down? Can't connect.

[Velusion]

Teraswaerto said:
Is the server down? Can't connect.



I show the server as being up. Can anyone else not connect?

[Teraswaerto]

Works now.

[Eressil3]

Was you stuck like me in the "Waiting for info" window ?

The "unlucky" game hosted by Gandalf was plagued by this bug. And I just experienced it two times today on the "afterthought" game.

[Sandman]

I've had this problem as well. It causes pages on my browser (Firefox) to scroll jerkily, for some reason.

[tromper]

I can't connect either. It crashes Dominions and locks up other windows like Firefox (in XP). Other servers/PBEMs etc. work normally.

[Velusion]

I'll restart the game... see if that helps.

[Velusion]

Sorry about the delay - I just now restarted the game, so people that couldn't get in should try now.

[LoloMo]

The Nation of Ermor would like to purchase 3 Dwarven Hammers and 4 Thistle Maces. Please PM your price. Thank you.

[Sandman]

With the Eyes of God active, Bandar Log is willing to sell maps of the world to any interested party. We will accept payment in the form of 10 gems of water, earth, astral or nature. For fire, air or death gems, the price is 15. Certain items may also be acceptable as payment.

[Jazzepi]

The great nation of Argatha desires cauldrons of broth, and/or sacks of wine, we can pay in gems or gold, and have some nature gems of our own.

Contact us ASAP if you have these items for sale.

Jazzepi

[Sandman]

I've not been able to connect to this game for a day now.

[Baalz]

I've had no problem connecting, and indeed can connect fine right now.

[Sandman]

Hmm. I can't even get the status page.

[LoloMo]

I checked just now, I don't see any problem.

[Sandman]

I can connect again. The status page said I missed a turn, but I don't seem to have.

[Sandman]

Bandar Log would like to offer gems for sale. For 10 gems of water, earth, astral or nature, we will give you 13 fire or death.

[Kojusoki]

Arco nation offers many many gems for those who declare war to Bandas Log.

[Sandman]

From the graphs, it looks like Pythium is putting up a heck of a fight against Marignon and R'lyeh.

[Tyrant]

We of the Pythian Republic of North Australia did indeed dine well on calimari last month and we completed our collection of bright orange tabrics with blood-red polkdots this month, but the jig is up. Though we still have a force under arms we cannot stop the twisted sorcery of the aqautic aliens from invading our dreams and slaying our leaders in their sleep, our god is slain, and our resources are exhausted.

We thank those who sent us aid, your generosity enabled our last victories and (small) treasure caravans are on the way to your capitols as we speak.

Thanks for hosting V,good luck to the enemies of my enemies,and see ya'll next game!

[Sandman]

15 minutes left for Marignon to take his turn...

[Baalz]

GG Tyrant, you certainly made me pay for your kingdom! Didn't expect an attack when you did, well executed.

[Teraswaerto]

Sandman said:
15 minutes left for Marignon to take his turn...



I made it, but it was pretty close.

[Eressil3]

I would be happy if R'lyeh could stop to teleport useless troops in my PD...
If you really want a war with Atlantis, please at least make a real assault which involve more troops or more valuable ones ! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif

[Baalz]

Well, he was lost in space and time from entering the void gate and decided to return in your territory for some reason. Your accusation has offended us however, consider this notice our NAP is not being renewed. Now that Pythium has been devoured it may be time for us to claim our destiny as absolute rulers beneath the waves.

[Szumo]

Beware the treachery of Bandar Log, who decided to launch a sneak attack on the Celestial Empire despite the NAP with 3 months notice treaty which they signed earlier.

[Sandman]

Let it be known that Tien Chi's idea of 'non-aggression' is sending an Imperial Consort with a bane venom charm into the capital of Bandar Log, diseasing many of our mages.

[Eressil3]

I received a call this morning for a new job. Therefore I'll leave my country for the USA.

I need a lot of time to prepare this new life and won't be able to do my turns. I'll be back in the dom3 community when I'll got my new house and internet connection. But it won't be before august.

The situation of atlantis is not the best one but this is a good one and deserve a replacement.
I want to thank Velusion for hosting this game.

[Sandman]

Aren't we going to wait to get a sub for Atlantis?

[Baalz]

Ooops, I just remembered Velusion got eliminated in this game so probably isn't following the thread. I'll make a post looking for a replacement.

[Velusion]

Just saw this via Baalz's replacement thread. I can give out Eressil3's password to a replacement if you find one. If not let me know and I'll put him on AI.

[Baalz]

For some reason there have been a lot of requests in the last couple days for replacements, and it doesn't look like they're getting filled. I guess lets give it until the next hosting then turn Atlantis AI (unless anybody objects).

[Methel]

Id be happy to sub for atlantis, Im sure hes in a better position than i am http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif

[Szumo]

Damn, getting attacked by Bandar Log, Marignon and R'lyeh and the same time is starting to make the game challenging, putting it mildly...

[Baalz]

Yeah, I'm guessing sending bane venom charm equipped consorts to cause unrest in ALL your neighbors might not have been the best long term plan....;)

[Baalz]

Hmmm, Frank staled last turn, and given the state of Pangea I'm guessing there's a good chance he won't be back. Unless anybody objects (I don't think he reads the message boards), if he stales one more time I'll ask Velusion to switch Pangea AI (unless they're eliminated this turn!).

[LoloMo]

He seems to be doing his Perpetuality turns on time. So I'm guessing he's given up his Afterthought game.

[Szumo]

It's not about if you do it, it's about whether you get caught http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif

[Jazzepi]

It really seems to be the height of douchebaggery to leave your turns to stale when you're done with a game. If you lose at a game, just set yourself to AI and save everyone the trouble.

Jazzepi

[Szumo]

In the meantime, in the lands of Tien Chi:

Emperor went mad! Griefing over losing wars to 3 enemies at once, most of his lands of conquered, a senseless rage has come over the Highest One. Throughout the empire, forts are deconstructed, laboratories burned down, peasants slaughtered. Money and magic gems sent abroad, perhaps in preparation for the emperor and his family to escape in the confusion...
Thus the empire burns as the end is coming near...

[Sandman]

It's not often that a fully decked out Air Queen falls to a single astral-3 mage casting Opposition.

Doubt not the luck of the apes.

[Jazzepi]

Wraith, what is the status of the dispel? The offending global is going into its third turn very shortly. I hope you have enough gems. The people of Mictlan even alchemized to make sure they could deliver the 50 promised pearls.

Jazzepi

[Baalz]

Yep, fat lotta god my 28 MR did. :/ Well, didn't really want to fight with you anyway...

[Sandman]

I can't seem to connect.

[LoloMo]

I can't connect either

[Velusion]

Got a "bad pillager" message... and it crashed.

FYI, I don't monitor this thread really, so your best bet it so post no connect info to my server info thread.

[Velusion]

I'm working on the game... something is corrupted or bugged...

[Velusion]

I've narrowed it down. The problem is with Bander Log's turn file. It is making the game crash on generation with a error that simply says "Bad Pillager" when it is calculating something related to income.

Sandman I'm going to have ask you to redo your turn. You might want to lay off any pillaging (or change it somehow) to avoid this error. Please PM me when you have it complete and I'll force the turn to generate.

[Sandman]

I'm not doing any pillaging. Might be a bug relating to T'ien Ch'i's heavy use of spies against me.

I was using 'move and patrol' with the Flying Ship, I can imagine that might be bugged. I've scrapped those orders, so maybe try again?

[Velusion]

That wasn't enough apparently. What you'll need to do is actually delete the turn file from your savedgame/afterthought folder (or just delete the folder). Reconnect and redownload the turn and do it over from scratch. IF that doesn't work we'll have to think of something else.

[Szumo]

I'm doing a lot of pillaging though. Perhaps it's a problem with my turn file (Tien Chi)?

[Sandman]

I've deleted my turn as suggested, and resubmitted a 'no frills' version. Any luck?

[Velusion]

Looks fixed!

Thanks Sandman!

[LoloMo]

so it's confirmed that the bug is with the move and patrol command with the flying ship? strange bug.

[Velusion]

No, it wasn't that. I'm not sure what it was.

[Baalz]

Wow, T'ien Ch'i certainly managed to crap all over itself before anybody could eat it. Close to 500 unrest in many of the territories...wonder what the population *used* to be in this neck of the woods....

[Sleet]

I will be out of town with no email/internet access Friday-Sunday (July20-July22).
If alright with all to delay during that time? If not, have fun. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Velusion]

Send me a PM right before you leave. My memory has been crappy lately... but I'll see what I can do http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Sleet]

Will do Velusion. Thanks!
My memory is the same sometimes.. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

[Sandman]

Any chance of a time extension? This game is getting quite complicated.

[Velusion]

extension as in - extend the game turn permenently?

BTW what nation is Sleet?

[Sleet]

Sub for Atlantis.

[Szumo]

This is amazing. I was ready to set myself to AI already a few turns ago, after losing all my castles, most provinces and pretty much every summoned creatures except a few under equipped Tartarians, and now my revenge pillaging armies not only managed to raise unrest in several of Bandar Log provinces to 500 and leave only quarter of their population alive, they managed to catch their Oracle pretender, kill her and so take out the his global Eyes of God http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

And i hope R'lyeh likes his new lands, pillaged and with most labs burned to the ground http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Going out with a bang sure is fun http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif

[Baalz]

Yep, even with 0 taxes there is a good chance this game will be over before those provinces are good for anything other than gems. Good thing that's all I really wanted them for or I'd be considerably irritated.

[Szumo]

If there was a way to raze magical sites, they would be good for nothing, trust me http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[Sleet]

Atlantian lands are now becoming part of Unknown Kadath. Our quests to become insane enough.

We are having some fun trying out wild and crazy spells as well as some not so sane strategies. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/stupid.gif

[Baalz]

*sigh*, you're supposed to go insane when LA R'yleh invades you, not MA! People's kings just seem to go insane when I step over their border. I'll have to try and swallow you whole before you can do too much damage.

[Sleet]

Well with all the creepy crawlies you have poppin' in all over the place, us Atlantians are going insane before you R'ylehians get to LA. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

[Velusion]

Looks like we might have the crashing error again in this game. Can you guys confirm to me that is should have hosted? I see ULM hasn't taken his turn yet.. can I host without him?

[Sandman]

Ulm is out of the game, so yeah.

[Methel]

oh sorry, thought i was eliminated 2 turns ago when i did my last HUSSAH! using two knights and 2 guardians http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif

[Velusion]

Looks like it processed just fine on its own this time http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Szumo]

I'll (Tien Chi) will be going AI next turn. Thanks for the game, i've learned a lot of stuff http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Baalz]

Now that was just a silly thing to cast.

[Sandman]

Well, it certainly won't make any difference to the outcome of the game.

[Sleet]

Atlantis.
Sorry, due to computer issues, won't be able to get turn done in time. Would not be able to get done until tonight. (8pm PST)
Not that there is much for me to do except use a pin against the big beasts. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif

[Sandman]

OK, I'm all for declaring R'lyeh the winner. His gem advantage is overwhelming.

[Baalz]

If it makes a difference I'm casting Eternal Pyre this turn and Well of Misery next (dispelling GoH this turn to make a slot) and have dozens of clams/fever fetishs (I think ~40) which don't show on the graph.

[Sleet]

Sure, fine by me.
Was an interesting experience to take on a nation late game. Never played Atlantis before.

Until next time,
http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/beerglass.gif

[LoloMo]

I can contribute most of the gems needed for a 999 gem overcast of AN, but I won't be able to cast it myself. If no one else have a level 9 astral mage who can cast it, then I'm for declaring Baalz as the winner also =)

[Jazzepi]

I'm fine with letting this game go and giving it to Baalz. I'm completely out of the running for this game. I'm surprised no one has taken the small amount of time it would take to roll me.

Jazzepi

[Baalz]

So, does anybody want to keep playing this one?

[LoloMo]

Marignon and Abysia are the only ones left to answer

[Sandman]

I'm thinking we have a consensus that Baalz is the winner, even if Abysia and Marignon don't speak out.

[LoloMo]

If they stale, I would consider that a yes vote =)

[Baalz]

Well, I'm gonna go ahead and call this one done and msg Velusion that he can take down the game. GG guys!

[Shuma]

My turn this week is a file of 0 length! I tried resending the file but it is still 0 size.

Please hold the turn until I can get a valid .trn file.

[Shuma]

uh woops wrong thread http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif

[LoloMo]

Congratulations Baalz! Well played!