Evermore - MegaGame - Winner: AdmiralZhao!

[Velusion]

I sent a message to Aezeal saying he can have the spot. We'll start no later than noon tomorrow.

[Lingchih]

Do we need to re-download the map file? I had downloaded it several days ago.

[DrPraetorious]

I changed the .map file (which you do not need to play and probably should not have, given that the modified version tells you where everyone's capital is) but did not touch the .rgb file.

It's probably a good idea to download the rgb file from the link in the thread, even though you can download it from exactly the same place (Velusion's server) automagically when the game starts, because the internal map downloader sometimes chokes under heavy load.

[FAJ]

This won't start untill after the weekend, right? I am away for the three day holiday.

[Velusion]

FAJ said:
This won't start untill after the weekend, right? I am away for the three day holiday.



Actually we were supposed to start last Thursday night. We are going starting today though - even I have to put shin on mighty AI.

I can help you look for a temp sub though FAJ http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Velusion]

DrPraetorious said:
t's probably a good idea to download the rgb file from the link in the thread, even though you can download it from exactly the same place (Velusion's server) automagically when the game starts, because the internal map downloader sometimes chokes under heavy load.



Seconded. If you don't already have the Evermore.tga in your maps folder you want to get it before the game starts. Check the first post in the thread for the map link.

[FAJ]

well, if we start today, the first turn will forcehost tommorow, right? then the second will force host on monday? I will only miss one turn, no big deal. It will be like forced thrift, to save for a Dai Oni http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif. I wont be attacking with Yomi's starting army anyways.

[Velusion]

Aezeal is taking Shin - I'll give him a little bit to do a bit of research and we will start late afternoon early evening.

[Velusion]

The game has started!

IP: 67.66.187.69
Port: 10020

I'll be updating the front page shortly. We are on a 24 hour quickhost timer!

Good luck!

[Evilhomer]

The population bonus is not working - atleast I did not receive mine.

[Velusion]

You are correct! Neither did I.

I took the game down for now. Let me check the map file (not that I know what might be wrong).

We might have to wait for Dr. P to take a look see.

[solo]

Same here, no bonus detected.

[RamsHead]

ditto

[Velusion]

Think I figured out the problem... looks like a simple syntax error (pop instead of population). Game should be back up in little bit.

[DrPraetorious]

Let me check what happened.

Okay, my bad.

#pop should be #population http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif.

Terribly sorry!

I'm resending the map file to Velusion. I now know where Marverni starts http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif, for which I also apologize.

[Evilhomer]

No problem, accidents happens...just glad we get this thing going.

[Velusion]

I fixed it DrP http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

We are all good to go now I think.

[Evilhomer]

It now asks me to install the mod BG.dm (it didn't before)

[Velusion]

Grrr... Let em look at it again

[Velusion]

Ok.. resolved that problem.

Third time is the charm eh?

BTW if you had already downloaded your first turn before this final fix - make sure and go into your savedgames/evermore folder and delete everything out before you connect again. Otherwise you won't download the new improved rehosted turn.

[solo]

Yes, no problems this time.

[Ubercat]

Ok, I'm confused. I DL'd the map a couple days ago, and just tried to DL my first turn a couple minutes ago. I got a message, something like "This may take a few minutes." I left the PC for a couple of minutes and had a failure message with the option to retry when I got back. Do I need to re DL the map?

[Lingchih]

Can't connect to the server.

[Velusion]

Ubercat - What was the message?

If it was a "bad packet" message that means you probably want to download the map seperately and put it in your maps folder.

The first day is always hard on connections as the map download is bandwidth intensive.

I *highly* recommend everyone download the map from the external link rather than through the game:
http://67.66.187.69/dominions3/evermoremap.zip

[Ubercat]

Velusion said:
Ubercat - What was the message?

If it was a "bad packet" message that means you probably want to download the map seperately and put it in your maps folder.

The first day is always hard on connections as the map download is bandwidth intensive.

I *highly* recommend everyone download the map from the external link rather than through the game:
http://67.66.187.69/dominions3/evermoremap.zip



The final message was

Connection failed

The Dominions server or your connection to the internet might be down. Also make sure you entered the correct ip-address (address) and port number (number)

retry
cancel

[Velusion]

Give it a little while and try again. I could get in fine when I checked 10 minutes ago.

[Lingchih]

Can't connect to serve because I was using the wrong port. doh!.

[Lingchih]

Well, I have right port now, but I just get "waiting for game info". Tried it twice now, and let it sit for about 10 minutes. Someone may be getting the map. I guess I'll just try again in the morning.

[Ubercat]

I've tried repeatedly for a while now. No dice. When is the first turn due to tick?

[Velusion]

Ubercat said:
I've tried repeatedly for a while now. No dice. When is the first turn due to tick?



Are you sure you are using the new port number: 10020?

The status page is up and lists the due time:

http://67.66.187.69/dominions3/stats.php?game=Evermore

[Ubercat]

Positive. I've checked the numbers multiple times. I'll try again in the morning.

[davegg]

me too, I connect and then it freezes with waiting for game turn

[Lingchih]

I got in finally.

[archaeolept]

sometimes if people have problems connecting its solved by a server restart

[Velusion]

IIS on the server was freaking out... restarted it... we'll see if that helps.

[AlgaeNymph]

Ubercat said:
The final message was

Connection failed

The Dominions server or your connection to the internet might be down. Also make sure you entered the correct ip-address (address) and port number (number)

retry
cancel

That's what I've been getting, too. I checked the map, mods, ip, and port#.

Oh, will there also be turn notifications by e-mail?

[Velusion]

Alright... I'm having to reboot the server. the timer will be reset.

[AlgaeNymph]

Good idea; it works now. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Ubercat]

I just tried a couple times. Still no luck. I'll keep trying.

[DrPraetorious]

DOOM!

For next time:
1) The algorithm to pick which sites are "in the middle" was borked. Not a huge problem, but next megagame I'll do a much better job - balancing start locations which are remote from other players is an issue even on most wrap-around maps.

2) I had meant to fill all four slots in every capital with sites so that searching spells would skip the capitals. Next time, I'll do so.

[Ubercat]

Ok, this is ridiculous. I haven't been able to get in at all today, either. I DL'd that big game mod linked to in the first post probably a week ago. I dumped it's contents into my mod folder, as is. I DL'd the map probably about a week ago. Could either of those be the problem?

I keep getting the same message as last night, which I quoted several posts ago.

-Ubercat

[Evilhomer]

Check the game folder (evermore) if you have files there remove them. Also try removing map and mods and getting new ones.

[archaeolept]

1. wipe out your evermore folder, then try
2. wipe out the mod and map and the evermore folder. redownload. try
3. try later
4. have velusion restart the server again

[Ubercat]

I don't have an Evermore folder. Was I supposed to make one? It's been my experience that network games create it themselves.

[Ubercat]

I re DL'd the mod and the map. The mods two folders and one file were dumped into the mod file as is, as I pointed out earlier. I have no Evermore folder as of yet and it still isn't working.

I'm fast running out of time. Anyone have any more ideas? Should I make up an empty Evermore folder? WTH, I'll try it anyway. Can't hurt, right?

edit: making an Evermore folder up didn't work.

[Szumo]

Just a long shot, but please check those things:
1. There's no firewall/etc blocking dominions.
2. You're using version 3.08.
3. Can you connect to other games on velusion's server?

[atul]

Overzealous firewall blocking outgoing stuff at will? Some strange network arrangement at your end? Have you been able to connect to other games before?

The server works all right for me... You should get the dialog asking for your game, or message that you don't have the right mods if there's some problem with them (like I had first).

edit: just a sec short of Szumo. Never in time...

[Ubercat]

I've never done one of Velusions games before. I have no problems with llammaserver though. I've been in a few games there with no difficulties.

[archaeolept]

no firewall blocking? maybe uninstall and reinstall the game... its gotta be something on your end if no one else is having issues http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif

sorry, not much else to suggest. you have the game patched to 3.08? double-checked port and ip, no extra 0's or spaces?

[Jazzepi]

Ubercat said:
I've never done one of Velusions games before. I have no problems with llammaserver though. I've been in a few games there with no difficulties.



Um, Llammaserver is only play by email I think?

Jazzepi

[archaeolept]

Jazzepi said:

Ubercat said:
I've never done one of Velusions games before. I have no problems with llammaserver though. I've been in a few games there with no difficulties.



Um, Llammaserver is only play by email I think?

Jazzepi

lol. that's, ummm, kinda relevant http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

how are you trying to connect, ubercat? have you created your pretender under gametools? then go to network, put in ip/domain name, then the port... If that's what you're doing already, I would say its some sort of firewall on your end.

[Velusion]

You can also try to connect to 67.66.187.69 Port 11123. Its another game I host... just to see if you can connect to my server at all.

It really does sound like you have a firewall setup. Try turning off any software firewalls you might have installed (whether it be windows firewall or a third party firewall). If you don't have any of those then it's probably a hardware firewall setup on your router... you'd need to open it up to get access.

The turn isn't set to host until late tonight BTW.

[Ubercat]

Jazzepi said:

Ubercat said:
I've never done one of Velusions games before. I have no problems with llammaserver though. I've been in a few games there with no difficulties.



Um, Llammaserver is only play by email I think?

Jazzepi



DOH! I meant to say Zachariahs games. I realise that the Email games aren't relevant.

[Ubercat]

Velusion said:
You can also try to connect to 67.66.187.69 Port 11123. Its another game I host... just to see if you can connect to my server at all.

It really does sound like you have a firewall setup. Try turning off any software firewalls you might have installed (whether it be windows firewall or a third party firewall). If you don't have any of those then it's probably a hardware firewall setup on your router... you'd need to open it up to get access.

The turn isn't set to host until late tonight BTW.





I tried Port 11123 and connection was instantaneous. It showed me six factions to choose from. My pretender obviously had no problems uploading and neither did the other port number. I seriously doubt it's a firewall issue since I CAN get through on anything other than 10022

I'll try some more but I'm not running my machine with a turned off firewall. If I can't get through soon then I'll just ask Velusion to set me to AI.

[solo]

Isn't it 10020 now?

[Ubercat]

solo said:
Isn't it 10020 now?



You're right! I was still using the port for pretender uploading! All's well. I took my turn. Thanks for your efforts on my part everyone. Thank you solo.

-Ubercat

[atul]

Should there be a email notification about hosting, like in Perpetuality? If there should be, I'm afraid it doesn't function. At least I haven't received message even though the game's hosted.

[Velusion]

If you sent me your email address through PM when you signed up, or if you signed up via email, I should have added you to the list. If I missed you - or you want to be added now, just pm me your email address.

[Theonlystd]

Erm i also cant seem to connect .. And i've connected to other server today.. And dont got a firewall going atm

[atul]

Oops, sorry, my bad. Sent the email address by pm.

Me stupid, me try to improve from now on.

[FAJ]

I connected fine.

and by 'fine' I mean to see my extra luck, order and growth dominion giving me a bad event, unrest and a total income of 100 gold :\.

[Velusion]

Theonlystd said:
Erm i also cant seem to connect .. And i've connected to other server today.. And dont got a firewall going atm



Verify that you are connecting to port 10020.

Then verify it again.

Then get the verification notarized and mail the verification in triplicate via priority mail to "Port 10020, PO box 10020 City of: Hundredtwenty, TX, zip: 10020".

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif

[Velusion]

FAJ said:
I connected fine.

and by 'fine' I mean to see my extra luck, order and growth dominion giving me a bad event, unrest and a total income of 100 gold :\.



Gah. Well if you are next to me FAJ, I promise to be your friend.

[Velusion]

Everyone who just requested email notification has been added http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif.

[Hadrian_II]

In the e-mail notification it states port 11345, but the actual port is 10020

[Velusion]

Hadrian_II said:
In the e-mail notification it states port 11345, but the actual port is 10020



Ooops! Fixing it now..

[Velusion]

Here is the deal:

DO NOT CONNECT TO THIS SERVER WITH THE 3.10 PATCH.

I will post here when the game is updated and you can connect with the new patch.

I will upgrade all the games on my server at once. The timer will be be taken off all the games and I will manually upgrade and host all of my games Wed (tomorrow) at about 10pm. Please do all your turns with the old patch (3.08)

Until the upgrade of the server please continue to use the old 3.08 patch.

Thanks!

[Velusion]

coobe - you crashed the game. Please don't use the new patch until after the server is updated.

[Velusion]

Ok -thats twice you've crashed the server coobe.... Please stop!


Velusion said:
coobe - you crashed the game. Please don't use the new patch until after the server is updated.

[Lingchih]

Methinks Coobe does not browse the forums often. Is there another way to send him the message?

[Sensori]

I sent him a message on IRC. That oughta do it!

I'm your new LA Ulm guy, by the way. Nice to meet joo!

[Velusion]

Jazzepi was the culprit this time...

[Jazzepi]

Urgh.

I'm sorry x.x I thought your message said not to connect with the 3.8 patch.

I probably crashed Sophistry as well?

Jazzepi

[Velusion]

Jazzepi said:
Urgh.

I'm sorry x.x I thought your message said not to connect with the 3.8 patch.

I probably crashed Sophistry as well?

Jazzepi



NP... but I had to delete your turns...

[davegg]

Just a quick note, another game I am in required the new patch to play the last turn, and I do not see an easy way to revert back to 3.08

[coobe]

sorry dont check the thread often...

[Velusion]

davegg said:

Just a quick note, another game I am in required the new patch to play the last turn, and I do not see an easy way to revert back to 3.08



Since you have already done your turn in Evermore you shouldn't have to worry about it. The next time it hosts the server will be 3.10

[coobe]

cant connect to the game with 3.08 server still down ?

[Velusion]

Hmmm... I can connect. Using port 10020?

[DrPraetorious]

I had some brief trouble connecting this morning but it seems to have cleared up on its own.

[coobe]

ok now it works.....

[Velusion]

Ok I'm taking down the game now that everyone has played their turns until the server it patched tonight. This will prevent people from accidentally connecting with the new patch.

The game will be back online tonight.

[coobe]

very good, thank you

[AdmiralZhao]

Is it back online? I'm having trouble connecting now that I've upgraded to 3.10.

[Velusion]

AdmiralZhao said:
Is it back online? I'm having trouble connecting now that I've upgraded to 3.10.



No... It will be in about 30 minutes though.

[archaeolept]

no, the status page (http://67.66.187.69/dominions3/stats.php?game=Evermore) hasn't been updated in 18 hrs... velusion said he'd be putting the games back up when he updated the server this evening... dunno when it gets back.

/me subbing for shinuyama

edit: doh! beaten by velusion himself.
looking forward to the turn though http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[AdmiralZhao]

Ok, thanks. *tries to be patient*

[Ubercat]

On the game status page, what is the difference between "missed a turn" and "turn pending"? "Turn completed" is obvious. Is "missed a turn" functionally equivalent to "turn pending". It merely serves to point out that the player missed the last turn, but is perfectly capable of taking the current turn?

When the player takes the current turn, does his "missed a turn" update to "turn completed?"

[Velusion]

Whenever I manually mess with the game turn lenghts (as I did for the patches) the status page screws up. It will be back to normal after thenext host though.

Normally "missed a turn" simply means the status page thinks the player staled the last turn. It is replaced with a "turn completed" once he does his current turn.

[Sensori]

Ugh, I have no idea what the dumbo who took LA Ulm was thinking when he took THREE DRAIN. LA Ulm doesn't get any bonus for that, LA MAN does. Now I'm stuck with "omg everyone researches 1 lol per turn". http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif

[atul]

Hrhm, first blood went to squids. Well, at least it didn't take too long for me to find my neighbours.

[coobe]

haha sensori http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

[Sensori]

coobe said:
haha sensori http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif



Yeah, <3<3<3<3<3<3 for whoever got the bright idea of having 3 drain as LA Ulm. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/fear.gif I'm just subbing, remember!

[Salamander8]

That was an unpleasant surprise for us as well Atul. That was my first province I hit and having you hit it on the same turn I took it does not bode well.

[atul]

It seems the popular demand of having close quarters underwater has been fulfilled all right. Or have others managed to kill each others yet? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

That province was way too weak, too tempting a target. Oh well, off to attack all those shark knight provinces then. At least my prophet is well-fed and happy, he just got unequaledly obese... :/

[Lingchih]

No war yet, but it is tight. I have a freaking Ancient Kraken sitting right next to my capitol. I think he wants some scraps from the kitchens.

[Aezeal]

OK

someone help me

WALK me through the ENTIRE proces

HOW do I get my turn..
ow and please tell me HOW to get my turn after I deleted the evermore game too, cus in desperation I did that too.

please a very detailed step-by-very-small-step walkthrough

[archaeolept]

update to 3.10
connect using the provided ip and port
choose nation

that should be all http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Velusion]

Aezeal said:
OK

someone help me

WALK me through the ENTIRE proces

HOW do I get my turn..
ow and please tell me HOW to get my turn after I deleted the evermore game too, cus in desperation I did that too.

please a very detailed step-by-very-small-step walkthrough



Assuming your have the following:

Version 3.10 installed (you should see "version 3.10" in the lower left hand corner of the dom3 screen when you start it).

The evermore map download (you should have the file evermore.tga in your maps folder).

You have the mod installed (you should see "Mega-Age v2" listed in the mod preferences).

If you have those three things done then you do the following from the main screen:
1) Click on "Network"
2) Click on "Connect to a Dominions Server"
3) Enter 67.66.187.69 and click "Ok"
4) Enter 9945 and click "OK"

You are now connected.

It doesn't matter that you deleted your folder - it will re-download whatever it needs.

[Ubercat]

Velusion, did you confuse the port# with one from a different game?

[Aezeal]

I have the mega-age v2 downloaded and enabled (says so in the preferences screen)
I have the evermore .map and .tga file directly in my maps folder
(I also have played the first 2 turns without problems)

NOW
I click on network
I click connect to a dominions server
I enter 67.66.187.69 and OK
I enter either 10020 (this was the old one) OR 9945
and
in a milisecond, no processing time or what
MY SCREEN is totally RED
BRIGHT red --> with a black mouse cursor that I can move.
and nothing anymore

[archaeolept]

pls confirm you've patched to 3.10

are you running linux? there was a linux user in the allegiances2 w/ the same symptoms

[Velusion]

Ubercat said:
Velusion, did you confuse the port# with one from a different game?



Yep.. it should be 10020. Sorry!

[AdmiralZhao]

<quote>
MY SCREEN is totally RED
BRIGHT red --> with a black mouse cursor that I can move.
</quote>

A friend of a friend of mine used to get this before he purchased a legitimate copy of the game. Maybe check the CD key?

[archaeolept]

hi

due to aezeal's problems connecting, i've taken over the lovable nation of shimuyama for the time-being at least. Hopefully Aezeal will come back, or I will be able to find a permanent sub later.

Failing that, please oh nameless lord let me be crushed before the endgame.

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

[Ubercat]

Anyone else having trouble connecting tonight? I've tried twice and my PC just hangs with the perpetual message "Waiting for game info." Then I have to shut down the computer. Previously, the info has come basically instantaneously. I've carefully checked the ip and port. The problem doesn't appear to be there.

I see from the status page that several people have been able to take their turns.

[archaeolept]

i got that the first time i tried. second try was as easy as pie. if you can't get in ask vel to restart the process.

[Salamander8]

It took me a couple tries to get past the:"Waiting for Game info" message last night, but I was able to get in and get my turn done.

[Ubercat]

I finally got in. Do you guys think it's because too many people are trying to get their turns at once? If that's the case, then I just always had great luck up to this point.

-Ubercat

[Lingchih]

Well, the unthinkable has happened. The superpower MA R'lyeh has just about been trashed by... MA Atlantis. Wow.

That was a masterful attack the last few turns, btw, Baalz. You only lost one fairly useless Ancient Kraken (after you take all the indies with it, it really just lays around and eats a lot), and took like 4 provinces as well as sacking my capitol for a turn.

Anyway, R'lyeh may be out of it in a few turns (I can hear all the cheers in the background already), or, I may pull off a masterful counter-attack of my own. We shall see.

[Zaramis]

LA Marignon seems to be headed out too. There's something nasty about what I faced, but somehow I predict that it won't last into the end game ;P

[Baalz]

Thanks Lingchih, being the runt nation means you've got to be a vicious runt nation and luck was with me. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[archaeolept]

hey Vel... it looks like the Evermore stats page is broken... it claims it just hosted, but connecting shows there are 11 hrs until the next forced host...

[AdmiralZhao]

It's true, I won't always be able to rely on the old "build an absurd amount of PD in a single turn" trick. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Lingchih]

Yeah, I think something must be up with the server. Perpetuality is overdue for hosting as well.

[archaeolept]

i think actually the timing on the presentation page is 12 hrs off... ie. am for pm. at least for evermore that's what it looks like.

[davegg]

Hi Vel, I sent my last turn in, but somehow I got a stale turn, can you check it out? Thanks

[Velusion]

davegg said:

Hi Vel, I sent my last turn in, but somehow I got a stale turn, can you check it out? Thanks



The server never showed that you submitted your turn http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif

Double-check the next few that you send in...

[solo]

Dwarven hammers for sale for 22 earth gems each.

Send me a PM if you want to make a deal.

solo of EA Marverni

[davegg]

Thanks, I just played it it and seems to have received it

[BigandScary]

oh, this is so very depressing. And dissapointing.

[DrPraetorious]

Some advice - if I thought you were more survivable, I wouldn't have attacked you. As it was, I saw it as a choice between conquering you or giving your territories to Lanka.

Well, that's a no-brainer, obviously I'm going to conquer you myself.

To survive the early game as Pythium you more or less need a supercombatant God, especially on a crowded map with slow research.

[Yucky]

I haven't been this pissed off about a game since UO, true compliment to Dominions. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[AdmiralZhao]

It is all Archaeolept's fault. He was the mastermind behind the whole thing. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[archaeolept]

wazzit? ooh - that everyone's favorite happy little goblins were viciously and unprovokedly attacked by the vile helheim oppressors?

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Hadrian_II]

DrPraetorious said:
Some advice - if I thought you were more survivable, I wouldn't have attacked you. As it was, I saw it as a choice between conquering you or giving your territories to Lanka.




And what would have been wrong with this? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[BigandScary]

I do understand, and I see how a SC would have kept me alive long enough to be effectivly but I had more chance of survival against the monkeydemons than the shadow vestals. I've beaten them before, but never early game blessed vestals, without aformentioned SC.

[Sensori]

Well, that's the price you have to pay for getting unlucky with your neighbors.

Reminds me of the game where I ended up next to Helheim as Marverni...

[Hadrian_II]

BigandScary said:
I do understand, and I see how a SC would have kept me alive long enough to be effectivly but I had more chance of survival against the monkeydemons than the shadow vestals. I've beaten them before, but never early game blessed vestals, without aformentioned SC.



I dont see how some principes would be able to beat palankashas, principes tire as fast as palankashar regenerate their wounds.

[archaeolept]

well, hopefully he'd have more principes than lanka would have palankashas...

[Hadrian_II]

principes need lots of ressources, so the ratio would be somewhere between 1:2 and 1:3 what would not pose any real trouble for the palankashas.

[DrPraetorious]

Pankasha do not have a very high magic resistance.

A communion, spamming Banishment (or destroy demon!) can, if not win, at the least do horrendous damage to a Lankan army.

My Shadow Vestals are MR 18.

[BigandScary]

as I said, they are really hard to beat.

[Hadrian_II]

DrPraetorious said:A communion, spamming Banishment (or destroy demon!) can, if not win, at the least do horrendous damage to a Lankan army.



Banish is aoe 4 and 5AN damage, am i correct that the aoe increases by one per additional priest level, but how high would the damage increase?

[DrPraetorious]

Banish does 3 + 2 /level, area 2 + 2 / level.

Thus, archtheurgs spamming banish with four commuion slaves do:
holy 5 -> avg 11 pts each, at +2 penetration.

Against an MR 13 unit like a typical rakshasa, 38% under the template get hit each turn. Alternatively, they can smite a single demon for 25 pts.

Against an astral-bless vestal, you only hit 11% of the vestals under the template - and each shadow vestal *still* gets to negate the first hit. That's a lot better than nothing but it's not going to save you.

Now, if you're smart and only use the blackfaces instead of the demons, Pythium is in a lot of trouble. But even those guys you can't recruit 10+/turn like I can with shadow vestals. I still think he would've been screwed.

[Xietor]

Palankashas have mr 12, 30 hps, AND should regenerate as one of their double 9 blesses.

If you rely on banish you are doomed. Lanka is a beast early.
That is why any race that can neutralize them is doing the world public service and should be richly rewarded by the other nations.

[Hadrian_II]

Xietor said:
Lanka is a beast early.
That is why any race that can neutralize them is doing the world public service and should be richly rewarded by the other nations.



If you know them better, you will see that lanka is acually a nation of peaceful art-loving demons, and noone benefits from their destruction.

[coobe]

LA Mictlan made a non aggresion pact with us just to stab us right when we didnt expect it. I call all of you to punish the triple bless abusing, treaty breaking liars of mictlan before its too late for all of us !

[AdmiralZhao]

We agreed to a peace treaty for 10 turns. After 10 turns, I attacked you.

I would also point out that, the turn after we agreed to our treaty, you sent me a message where you "laid claim" to three of my border provinces. Perhaps you were hoping that I would give you the provinces, since at the time I was in a pitched war against LA Marignon. In any case, since then I have been counting down the turns till our treaty expired.

[Sensori]

I'm guessing coobe there was thinking about a NAP with a 10 turn notification period rather than one that was just 10 turns long, while you were thinking that it was 10 turns altogether.

Weird mistake, maybe.

[AdmiralZhao]

I don't think it was a misunderstanding. A couple of turns back, Coobe sent a message asking for an extension of the treaty.

[Jazzepi]

The evil monkey people of EA Lanka have set flame to the forests of Pangea. We ride to meet them in battle. Know that if we fall, they will add a third empire to their growing strength. If their neighbors do not wish to see the whole of the world awash in foul, demonic, MONKEY MAGIC then they should join us in war against Lanka, until not a single castle is left standing.

Jazzepi

[Ubercat]

MA C'Tis is being subbed by Valerius until Thursday. He will honor treaties and try to maintain the status quo.

-Ubercat

[DrPraetorious]

Utilitarian philosophy: we should believe that which it is useful to believe, and disregard that which is not useful to believe.

LA Mictlan is huge, powerful and *extremely* agressive. I can admit it, I'm a bit jealous.

Therefore, it is useful for us all to believe that he is some kind of unholy crossbreed of snake and weasel, hellbent on ravishing our women (have I been watching too much anime? It is useless to believe such a thing.)

Since it is useful to believe this of him, we should agree that it is true.

[AdmiralZhao]

If I may, I would like to rebut the charges that Dr. Praetorious brings against the Mictlani people:

*places a suspiciously large turkey in front of the crowd*

Stare deeply into the turkey's eyes. Now, repeat after me... Mictlan is your friend, you have nothing to fear from Mictlan. The people of Mictlan are peaceful, you do not need to guard your borders with them. Only authorized Mictlan priests can supply you with Mictlan Brand Bottled Water(TM). Without Mictlan Bottled Water, you will be unhappy and ostracized by your peer group.

*claps hands*

Ok, now lets all go out to the forum lobby and get ourselves some snacks! Who's thirsty?

[Hadrian_II]

Jazzepi said:
The evil monkey people of EA Lanka have set flame to the forests of Pangea. We ride to meet them in battle. Know that if we fall, they will add a third empire to their growing strength. If their neighbors do not wish to see the whole of the world awash in foul, demonic, MONKEY MAGIC then they should join us in war against Lanka, until not a single castle is left standing.

Jazzepi



Pangaea will be the first empire of hypocrites we will show the true meaning of mankind. And dont follow his propaganda, as we are able to defend ourselves without problems, even while subduing the horses of the east.

[davegg]

Its been rather amazing to watch LA Mictlan's rise in the score graphs. Leaving in my peaceful corner, which I beleive is far away from their conquests, would any one mind telling me how they are doing it? Thanks

[DrPraetorious]

On the subject of the Great Enemy:

He has triple-blessed jaguar warriors (F9W9S9, in the face).
He uses them well and very agressively.
He threatens his neighbors with invasion if they don't start wars with one another - then, while they're busy fighting it out, he invades them anyway.

[Amhazair]

Hadrian_II said:
Pangaea will be the first empire of hypocrites we will show the true meaning of mankind. And dont follow his propaganda, as we are able to defend ourselves without problems, even while subduing the horses of the east.

While I did play one turn for Lanka while Hadrian was away, and am thus slightly favorably inclined in favor of the monkey-demons in this conflict, I do take serious objection to calling centaurs, magnificent creatures as they are, horses. I played a centaur once during a long-running roleplay campaign, and thus feel rather strongly on the subject. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

Hadrian, if you want me to ever sub for you again in this game, you'll have to appologise to the centaurs right now. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

[DrPraetorious]

Oh, and MA Mictlan lives in province 177. Unlike me and Lanka, he cannot just reanimate some patrollers when you blitz his capital.

SO - cover it with hurricanes, ill portents, or other such hoopla! It won't much hamper his military, but it will prevent him recruiting his only decent mages, which are capital only.

[AdmiralZhao]

There are so many things wrong with this thread.

First off, I have NAPs with all my neighbors except Coobe, and my neighbors are already in their own wars, so there is not going to be some sort of general assault on Mictlan.

Second off, Dr. P, strictly speaking it is not very utilitarian of you to get into a long range pissing contest with a nature + blood nation. You're the only one expressing animosity towards our great nation, so it seems logical that you are the one we should retaliate against with Rain of Toads and Horde from Hell. I would also mention that, due to my utterly horrible scales, my capital is already an overheated, slothful, unlucky, death-ridden and draining hell-hole, the very Phoenix AZ of my empire. Ill-omens and Melancholy and the like really won't make it any worse. There are far better places you can hit, places that don't have already have 60 free-spawn slave-warriors sitting on them.

Finally, Coobe, I know you are upset about losing the pretender, but really, these malicious libels are going too far. Think of this game as a growth opportunity, a chance to learn the important lesson that the pretender goes behind the archers, not in front of them. Can't we all just get along? Failing that, can't we all go back to hating on Lanka?

[Velusion]

Per the standard rules (and a reminder from a player) we are going to be moving to a 48 hr turn schedule.

[coobe]

I dont need your advices. My pretender was supposed to clear out some vine men and not imbalanced triple bless troops.

so long

[Hadrian_II]

AdmiralZhao said:
Failing that, can't we all go back to hating on Lanka?



Why, what is wrong with hating Mictlan?


Amhazair said:
Hadrian, if you want me to ever sub for you again in this game, you'll have to appologise to the centaurs right now.



Sorry centaurs of Pangaea, i wont call you horses again, i will just slay you.

[Amhazair]

Hadrian_II said:

Amhazair said:
Hadrian, if you want me to ever sub for you again in this game, you'll have to appologise to the centaurs right now.



Sorry centaurs of Pangaea, i wont call you horses again, i will just slay you.

Excellent, excellent. Thank you for this grand gesture, oh king deamon ape.

[davegg]

i cant seem to connect to the server, is anyone else having this problem?

[AdmiralZhao]

Same here.

[DrPraetorious]

Freezes on "waiting for game info".

[archaeolept]

restart server http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Jazzepi]

One of Lanka's large armies have been wiped off the map. You can see clearly in how the evil monkey's score graph has dipped so sharply, probably while even summoning foul undead! 30 of his strongest sacreds perished with only a tiny fraction of black centaurs dying.

More will be destroyed next turn, and the turn after that. The neighbors of EA Lanka are encouraged to rise up against the aggressive threat of these evil monkies. Contact the forest dwellers of LA Pangea to coordinate offensives.

Jazzepi

[davegg]

So monkeys are good or bad at this point?

[Jazzepi]

Monkies = evil, bad, forest burning creatures http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif

Jazzepi

[archaeolept]

I saw that... it was like a forest of black centaurs http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/redface.gif

fun :-)

[Jazzepi]

archaeolept said:
I saw that... it was like a forest of black centaurs http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/redface.gif

fun :-)



The people of Pangea plant two black centaur trees for every one harvested!

Jazzepi

[Hadrian_II]

The losses in the Battle where exactly the same, so i dont know why you are claiming victory when my troops will arrive at your capital soon.

[davegg]

Guys ...

Having decided that monekys are bad, has anyone figured out why LA Mictlan is so far ahead in the score graphs?

[Velusion]

davegg said:
Guys ...

Having decided that monekys are bad, has anyone figured out why LA Mictlan is so far ahead in the score graphs?



I heard it had something to do with a nasty triple bless.

[davegg]

Which begs the question, can it be stopped or is the game pretty much over?

[Velusion]

davegg said:


Which begs the question, can it be stopped or is the game pretty much over?



It's over - Miclan is unstoppable. I recommend everyone resign and put their nations on AI... especially those nations that border me.

[Hadrian_II]

Soon the heavy blessed armies will be blasted to peaces by battle magic like fireballs and thunderstrikes. And for a triple bless you have to sacrifice your scales what will do further harm to mictlan.

[DrPraetorious]

OTOH, he has tremendous resources on which to draw, and with smart research allocation he can have fearsome battlemagic of his own - start trading those blood slaves for death casters, oh my!

So reducing him should be a goal for all right-thinking persons everywhere.

[Lingchih]

R'lyeh is going AI. Have fun y'all.

[Baalz]

The nation of MA Atlantis would be glad to consider a friend any who would trade water gems to us. We can exchange fire, earth, astral, nature or gold (15 per gem).

[archaeolept]

sent you a pm http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Velusion]

The nation of EA Abysia is looking for earth/fire/astral boosters. We would be willing to pay above cost for these items.

PM me if you are can forge them and want to make a profit!

[davegg]

Ok, but his scores seem to keep on climbing ...

Who is bordering him now, or just where is he?

[AdmiralZhao]

Yes, it does indeed keep climbing. The mean reason is that LA Ctis has given up defending his provinces, and hides his armies behind castle walls rather than facing me in the field. So my gains have been rapid in the last few months, but I expect that to slow down as I try to siege out his army of 400+ undead trampling charioteers.

[DrPraetorious]

He's in the southeast corner, from which he will launch his conquest of the whole world, if he is not stopped.

[davegg]

that cannot be, I am in the se corner, if the top of the map is north and the right edge is east

[Thrawn]

I thought you were SW Davegg?

[archaeolept]

lol... west is to your left davegg... unless you've turned the map upside down? ;p

[archaeolept]

hmm.. the status page still correctly has time remaining as 1 day 1 hr... but logging in to the game itself it says 47 hrs... hopefully this discrepancy doesn't herald anything problematic.

[davegg]

ooops you are right I am in the SW, good job. So ... we need some northerners to come down and help fight Mictlan!

[davegg]

I know my lack of directional sense may hurt my street cred, but I had another stale turn; this time I am certain I checked the server and saw my turn was uploaded, Am I doing something wrong?

[Velusion]

davegg said:

I know my lack of directional sense may hurt my street cred, but I had another stale turn; this time I am certain I checked the server and saw my turn was uploaded, Am I doing something wrong?



Question:
Are you checking/doing your turns all from the same machine?

[davegg]

yes every turn is from the same machine/dsl etc.

[Velusion]

davegg said:

yes every turn is from the same machine/dsl etc.



Not sure. One thing you might do before you submit a turn is check the status page - it should show that it is waiting on your turn. Then submit your turn and refresh the page - it should show you submitted.

The webpage just checks for your file to be there - if it sees your turn file it will mark you down as "Turn Complete" between the game and the site you should be able to be confident your turn is submitted.

[davegg]

ok how long does it take for the turn complete page to be updated roughly?>

Thanks for your help!

[archaeolept]

in my experience it is updated almost immediately - you should be able to see right after you submit it whether the server has it or not.

[Velusion]

immediatly... just make sure you refresh the page.

[davegg]

ok got it

[Ubercat]

davegg said:

ok how long does it take for the turn complete page to be updated roughly?>

Thanks for your help!



I just looked and it has you listed as "turn complete." Ermor, right?

[davegg]

Yes it says turn complete now, but last turn it said that too

[RamsHead]

LA Arco has 21 blood slaves that were taken from a ship. We have no use for these, so we are willing to sell them to the highest bidder. Payment must be in earth gems.

(I guess this makes me a slave trafficker.)

[AdmiralZhao]

The hot new fashion this summer is Earth Boots. I am in the market for a pair, and would pay in gold, gems (water, nature, fire, astral, or earth), or blood slaves. I could also trade a nature or water booster, if you are interested.

[archaeolept]

hey, tir na n'ogg has been defeated - I believe through the amusing mechanism of dominion kill - and is listed on the status page as defeated.

however, due to game glitchiness, I don't think the game will host until the timer runs out unless someone can use the master pass and set him to AI...

[Velusion]

archaeolept said:
hey, tir na n'ogg has been defeated - I believe through the amusing mechanism of dominion kill - and is listed on the status page as defeated.



Actually EA Caelum strait up crushed them under the might of their mighty mammoths.

[Evilhomer]

It took weeks to clean those mammoths from all the gore, so the job was not easy at all!

[archaeolept]

ah ok - but he's still showing up on the nation select screen, indicating the game hasn't fully processed his defeat yet - caelum i think is doing his turn now, so unless someone can set tir na n'ogg to AI we'll have to wait 20 hrs... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Hadrian_II]

Doh, some others already have their first conquest, and Pangaea is still fighting back. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif

[Evilhomer]

Tir na nog is the only one left to do this turn. He is dead so it should be a good idea for the host to force host this game at this point.

[archaeolept]

ok all turns are submitted... tap tap tap.. vel, tir na n'ogg still waiting ;p

[Sombre]

I got rid of tirnanog for you, so the turn hosted.

[Jazzepi]

The peaceful forest dwellers of LA Pangea have won a 5th decisive battle against *yet another* horde of poorly organized monkey invader demons.

Yet, we're simply being worn to a nub by the endless freaking endless stream of demon monkies. If some real help isn't given in the next turn or so we'll just send our forces else-where, burn down our fortresses, and call it a day. It's easy to see EA Lanka's army graph dipping down again, and again, and again. It's only getting bigger because they're summoning lots and lots of chaff undead. If the other nations would kindly do some scouting instead of relying on graphs, they'd realize what a straw man EA Lanka is and set them on fire. Incidentally Lanka contacted us recently asking for peace, and when we offered them terms simply turned them down without a counter offer. Do you want a nation that doesn't understand the basics of diplomacy, and controls three capitols, as your neighbor?

We will happily trade gems for certain items. For a list of what we need, please contact us.

Jazzepi

[Hadrian_II]

Jazzepi said:
The peaceful forest dwellers of LA Pangea have won a 5th decisive battle against *yet another* horde of poorly organized monkey invader demons.

Yet, we're simply being worn to a nub by the endless freaking endless stream of demon monkies. If some real help isn't given in the next turn or so we'll just send our forces else-where, burn down our fortresses, and call it a day. It's easy to see EA Lanka's army graph dipping down again, and again, and again. It's only getting bigger because they're summoning lots and lots of chaff undead. If the other nations would kindly do some scouting instead of relying on graphs, they'd realize what a straw man EA Lanka is and set them on fire. Incidentally Lanka contacted us recently asking for peace, and when we offered them terms simply turned them down without a counter offer. Do you want a nation that doesn't understand the basics of diplomacy, and controls three capitols, as your neighbor?

We will happily trade gems for certain items. For a list of what we need, please contact us.

Jazzepi



What a bad example of mindless propaganda, There where no 5 decisive victories for pangaea, the last one was maybe the first in which the damage inflicted on lanka was bigger than the damage on pangaea, but we are not weak, and should someone become interested in backstabbing us just to follow the call of a walking death then please do so.

And yes, we offered Pangaea peace to stop the bloody mess that the war against him is. But he looked on our offer of a cease fire as like we where begging for peace, so we laughed at him and went on to slowly crush him.

And btw, i still do not have pythiums capitol even if this is now the 3rd time someone indicates it it is still belonging to ermor. (let this example show how delusional pangaea has become)

If you look at the province count, you can see that even if Pangaea has some minor tactical victories, the overall strategc victory is what counts, and that one is going to me. the only thing Pangaea can do is use his WHOLE army to stop my invading force but now the second time in a row, i conquered his capital. So if someone is interested in take some province, why not just engage Pangaea and get some for free.

[archaeolept]

i've seen a few battles - Pan keeps decisively winning, but likely needs to break up his force into two in order to start recapturing his lost lands...

[DrPraetorious]

And there are far bigger threats.

LA Mictlan is about to overwhelm the whole world if he isn't stopped.

I am engaging him now, with what ought to be sufficient force, but I'm very far away from his capital. If I win, all I do is draw forces away so that others can attack him.

Of course, I do that even if I lose - so everyone should attack him now, before his blood economy makes him unstoppable.

[atul]

EA Oceania is buying water gems. If anyone's interested in fire, earth or nature in exchange, let me know.

Oh, and just to get this thread-bashing away from Jazzepi's immediate crusade, EA Oceania hereby initializes the expiration period of the NAP between Oceania and LA Mictlan. Not that either could hurt the other anyway. *shrug*

Remember, if you don't sell Oceania some unused water gems, you're approving of slaughter of innocent young girls. So, even YOU can do your part! Sell me your spare water! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Hadrian_II]

atul said:
Remember, if you don't sell Oceania some unused water gems, you're approving of slaughter of innocent young girls. So, even YOU can do your part! Sell me your spare water! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif



What is wrong with the use of young girls for a higher purpose, when you send the men to die in battle, there is no moral outcry either. (and think of the poor water gems)

[atul]

At least those men don't need to die virgins.

As to the condition of water gems, that's not discussed in polite circles.

[AdmiralZhao]

As usual, MA Ermor is blaming the victim. All I wanted to do was grow at my usual snail's pace of one province per turn, when Ermor showed up and menaced me with an enormous army of the undead. The army is giant, you all should really see it. Now it looks like I'm not even going to get a province this turn, or the turn after. So, I wouldn't quite describe Mictlan as unstoppable, as we are now stopped. Complete halt. Perhaps even a slight reverse.

[RamsHead]

I am currently unable to connect. I assume the server is down?

[archaeolept]

server is offline. can't upload. pls don't have it host http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Baalz]

The empire of Atlantis is looking for new trade partners. Any who can forge death and air and seek forgings or raw gems in any other paths (or gold) may apply. Other than those dirty bird men - I mean honestly, who craps where they sleep? We're particularly interested in rings of tamed lightning so we may clean up that area of Evermore more rapidly that none need cringe when a shadow passes overhead, wondering what is about to drop on them.

[Sensori]

Hey, MA Ermor, Lanka? Which one of you wants free provinces?

Come right in and take some from LA Ulm! I know we have NAPs, but don't let them stop you! I'm going to go AI soon enough anyway.

In all seriousness... I've regretted taking this subbing job from day one. It was kinda funny waiting for some idiot to realize that I can't do jack sh*t against attacks, because the player who made this nation basically took EVERYTHING which would cripple LA Ulm (and quit over this from the looks of it, it wasn't hard to tell from the first glance on the nation - if I had botched my nation THIS BADLY I would've quit too, but I was subbing so I figured what the hell). No Sanguine Heritage thanks to bad choices on the Pretender (lol national mages can't cast it lol), 3 Drain for maximum research loss with already not too good mages (lol LA Ulm doesn't have mages that can research in drain lol)... I think the original player left at least a few hundred Pretender points unused...

What else can you ask for?

EDIT:

Omg, he didn't leave them unused. He just used them badly. Whee.

[Hadrian_II]

Sensori said:
Hey, MA Ermor, Lanka? Which one of you wants free provinces?

Come right in and take some from LA Ulm! I know we have NAPs, but don't let them stop you! I'm going to go AI soon enough anyway.



Your wish is our order.

[archaeolept]

meh, i gave you warning - which i did not have to do - and you indicated you thought it would be a fair fight - and i'm subbing as well. no need to be pissy about it, it's just a war http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/smile.gif

[AdmiralZhao]

Oh trading partner who I gave the 10 fire gems to 3 months ago, could you please send me the earth boots?
Yours truly,
Zhao the Forgetful

[Sensori]

I indicated I thought we're both going to die (as opposed to winning the entire game) and I still think so. That has nothing to do with the fight being "fair" or not. I also indicated that you are being stupid for making it easier for others by weakening yourself. And I knew you are subbing, too bad that has nothing to do with anything. There's a difference between good and bad situations you can sub in - I just happen to always land on the bad ones. This, however, was the WORST of the crop by far. At least earlier I have had some chance to fix what had gone wrong, but this time... There's absolutely nothing I could've done. I tried to get researching outside my dominion, but other people's dominions didn't spread inside my borders fast enough to do that.

As for me getting "pissy" over you attacking me... You can think that if that makes you feel better. I just want to get out of this game, and I sure as hell don't want to help you in the process. I'm proving the point of my message to you here. If you want war, that's what you're going to have - just don't expect me to go quietly and/or without strengthening your to-be-neighbors (and weakening you) in the process.

As you yourself so aptly put it, it's just a war. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/smile.gif

(And if I'm pissy over something, it's this bullsh*t nation I've been stuck with. Rarely have I seen so many things going wrong in one nation, and all due to the original player's choices which were based on MA Ulm, which LA Ulm *gasp* ISN'T.)

[archaeolept]

yes, do as you wish - its just a war w/ subbed nations :-)

but asking people to invade you... after one small battle, which you could easily have avoided, and the vast majority of your forces intact having lost 1 territory,... you know, that's the pissy part http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/smile.gif

[Hadrian_II]

i like being invited into other countrys, so LA Ulm has become very symphatethic lately. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

[Sensori]

archaeolept said:
-- after one small battle, which you could easily have avoided, --



Avoided, how? That's kinda funny. You are saying there's something I could've done to stop you from attacking?

That's just stupid.


and the vast majority of your forces intact having lost 1 territory,...



Yeah? Guess what? I know I can't win (a war nor the game), and the war you chose to start was just the last nail in the coffin. Could as well make sure BEFORE I have lost all my lands that you don't get them all.

Why *wait* for death when I can have it in a few turns?

[archaeolept]

oh, whatever sensori. its just a game. I gave you a one turn warning; you surely could have retreated your pretender from right in front of my army. you didn't. I know how it feels, but I had to do something to try and improve my position.

[Sensori]

What? I don't care about that stupid gimpass idiot Pretender which is a big part of why this setup sucked (and I'm pretty sure it's a big reason why the original player quit). You did me a favor by killing him. I *want* to have Ulm die, the sooner the better. How hard is that to understand? Giving this nation to someone wouldn't have been fair - only putting it to AI would've been. That's how much it sucks.

[archaeolept]

lol ok - i'll try my best then :-)

[DrPraetorious]

As much as I love all this drama - could someone please invade Mictlan now?

He's going to avoid fighting my superior army and raid me if he can - which means that he'd be utterly vulnerable on his capital except that he's *so huge I'll never reach it*!

So, you know, get him!

[Hadrian_II]

Remember me to check if the mercs have troops, so that i wont buy leaders without troops for too much money anymore. (doh)

[AdmiralZhao]

I love the drama too. Could someone please invade MA Ermor now? He only has one real army, and it is busy chasing my 1st Expeditionary Force around a mountain range. We know we've completed a lap once we pass Inkpot End again. Stupid 40 theurgs...

In other news, I'm interested in bulk-purchasing Lightless Lanterns or Skull Mentors. Willing to pay well in death gems, fire gems, or blood slaves, if you are into that. PM me if interested.

[atul]

War, War, War, War!

[DrPraetorious]

There's an army in province 74 that only has only two leaders in it.

If anyone can cast a few earth attack at it (it's got an astral mage, so no mind hunts) or any other assassination spell, please do so.

If it is not eliminated, I'll have to turn around and head back to my capital.

Seriously, guys, LA Mictlan has a triple bless and is the largest player. I'm not going to stay in the game just to spoil for him - if I don't see any support I'm just going to withdraw to my own borders and try to minimize the damage.

[AdmiralZhao]

Have some confidence in yourself, DrPraetorious. If you scrape together a few more theurgs and shadow vestals you should be able to stop the remaining troops of the 1st Expeditionary Force. At the very worst, you have to hide inside that forward castle while you bring up more troops and my 100 guys slowly try to break through the walls.

[Evilhomer]

Well, atleast I will go down fighting. If you want an easy prey I suggest EA Abysia, they just lost 20+ of their mages and their largest army this turn. They also have lots of provinces they won't be able to keep if you strike now.

[Xietor]

I am going to do a few turns for EH.

I can see from a quick glance at the turn that i need to get in in 1 hour's time(all i have today), that atlantis and abysia will feel great pain next turn.

If I were Atlantis and Abysia, I would retreat your armies 2 provinces away from the caelum capital.

Any army within the 2 province radius will be annihilated. You have been warned.

[atul]

Ouch, ouch, ouch, ouch.

Never ever mess with the monster fishies.

Ouch, ouch, ouch, ouch.

(thanks for the free lab on the front, I needed that)

[Baalz]

Grrrr, I can't believe my targetting was so wonky...after somehow half my fish not being quickened, encase in ice was spammed at one block 12 or so times(wont ever try that spell again). Imagine how effective those fish would have been without that astral bless on your guys and them all attacking twice...:)

[DrPraetorious]

Argh! Diplomacy is *exhausting*.

I just want in for the record that I did all the wheeling and dealing I could to get someone to hit Mictlan - but if no-one can do it, there's no point in my trying to distract him, it's costing me more than it costs him.

If someone can hit him while his forces are still in the south - good! Do it!

If not, at the very least do not blame me when he wins, which (look at the graphs) he will.

[Xietor]

Trading d gems for a skullface(d1 booster). EA caelum. PM me for details.

I want to purchase a skullface(d1 booster). trading d or other gems. Can forge other items(constr 4).

[atul]

If the world was a just place you would have won that fight. But, now I'm just counting my blessings for being the lucky bastard, and preparing better for the next fight. Ain't no blitzkrieg underwater.

[Xietor]

The small and peaceful race of EA Caelum is under attack by
Velusion and Baltz(allies in the other big game as well).

Any race bordering Abysia or Atlantis that thinks these 2 will be done expanding when EA Caelum is snuffed out is mistaken. Both have a history of ruthless aggression.

Since EA Caelum has no other option, we are willing to serve as chaff for any race desiring to weaken one or both of these races. PM me to coordinate details.

[Xietor]

Velusion,

can you update who is playing what race. I get offers to help kill you off, and when i look on page 1 to see what race is offering, there is no match for that player's name.

Thanks in advance! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

Note: I am only a temp. sub, but EH will honor my deals. And I will stay on long enough to see the fruits of my labor.

[Baalz]

Xietor said:
Any race bordering Abysia or Atlantis...



Do I have neighbors not yet attacking? :/

Anyway, this Baltz guy sounds scary. I'd stay away from him.

[Xietor]

your laughter at my peace offering demonstrates the relative strengths of our positions.

Atlantis has EA Caelum's capital under siege. Any nation not wanting to see Atlantis gain more power, aid would be appreciated. Even fair trades are appreciated.

PM me for details.

[Hadrian_II]

I heard rumours that oceania and lanka are both fighting atlantis.

[Xietor]

Atlantis may come to rue his unchecked aggression against a peaceful bird nation with so many fronts upon which to fight.

[Velusion]

Less talking more dieing pleaze.

[Xietor]

Note that we offered Atlantis peace, but not you Abysian. You will dine in Hell! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/evil.gif

[Xietor]

Want to trade for boots of quickness. Have the water gems, plus other gems and various items.

PM me if you are interested. EA caelum.

Ok, the EA Caelum Trading Post is closed. Thabnks for all the prompt responses. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/cool.gif

[DrPraetorious]

It appears as though Mictlan is willing to fight an apocalyptic battle with me http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif. Let no-one say I don't love a nice stand-up fight.

I have lots of gems and would like to buy some combination of the following:
* Master Matrix (this is key)
* Blood Slaves (I need 40 some, I think)
* nature/fire/earth boost items

I can probably pay for most of this, although I do have other things I could do with the gems, so donations would be nice http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif, but I don't expect any.

Air and water boost items are also potentially useful although I probably don't have the research to take advantage of them.

[davegg]

Hi all, just a quick note ...

Poor Dagan the Renegade Sage is quite sick and not likely to last much longer. His family requests you send contributions and healing items to the Dagan fund, c/o EA Ermor. We thank you.

[Hadrian_II]

Evil fishies have just invaded the poor helpless monkeys.
And the goblins in the east too.
And the amazons in the south threatened us too.
*major whine*

You will all die!