Epic Heroes Mod II(Game Finished)(Lolomo Winner)

[Xietor]

Strange. I notified Llamabeast. Sigh.

I have played 2 other games on llamaserver and never had a major glitch like this one. Let us hope he can get this fixed and we see no further delays.

[Zeldor]

Ok, it seems that R'lyeh reappeared when I sent my turn 3rd time. Funny.

[LoloMo]

My nation, Caelum wasn't on the status page either, but after I resent my turn, it appeared back in the status page.

[Sieger]

I can't seem to get my nation (Ermor) to show up on the status page.

[Xietor]

Still waiting on Marignon, Atlantis, and Ctis to resend the turn in again. Despite the weird status page stuff, Llamabeast said the game is fixed and will work on the next host.

[shard]

Finally home and sent my turn in... a bit confused now. Forwarding sent emails should be good enough right?

[Xietor]

Everything looks fine on turn 17. Hopefully our problems are behind us.

[LoloMo]

Yup, everything seems fine on my end too.

[Meglobob]

Alls well with the Mictlan empire.

[Hadrian_II]

The great nation of bandar log is interested in buying items:

We need 1 pair of Earth Boots and offer 12 Fire Gems for it
And we need also either a robe of the sea or a Water bracelet, where we pai for the robe 20 fire gems and for the bracelet 10.

If you are interested in trading, please contact us per PM

[Zeldor]

vI am at home and I will be able to play today evening [gmt +1], then I can play normally.

[shard]

Hulud the Soulstealer's tentacles and entrails (we aren't sure which is which) is now the latest exhibit of the Great Panjang's trophy hall.

That the vile assassin's target was a Panjang-Fearing member of our holy clergy shows to what despicable lengths the deviants have gone to disrupt the natural order of the waves.

[Xietor]

Another Epic Hero dead. RIP Soulstealer.

[Zeldor]

That hero was extremely weak anyway. His death was pathetic and he couldn't be proud of his life.

[Xietor]

In the fall of year 2 Ulm becomes the 1st land race to perish. Having spoken to Ulm. I realize he put up a valiant fight, but was playing the weakest of the weak races.

The Black Duke of Ulm is potent, but he does not help with Ulm's most glaring weakness-tramplers. Look for him to dom summon a crusher in the final version.

Thank you for playing Aapeli!

if you can find the Epic Heroes Mod thread on the mod forum, it would be appreciated if you can post on what you liked or disliked about your hero, and caelum's hero(if you faced him).

[LoloMo]

The Seraphines of Caelum salute the soldiers of Ulm for their valiant albeit futile defense. Few armies can match the rage of "Fat Ankles" war elephants. In honor of our conquered foe, we have requisitioned the services of master craftsmen to commemorate the fall of Ulm:

"Engraved on the floor is a masterfully designed image of a dwarf and an elephant by Inod Duthernurdumat. The dwarf is making a plaintive gesture. The elephant is striking down the dwarf." http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

[Xietor]

Astrology 101 reveals:

War rages between Pythium and Agartha, with a slight edge to Pythium. Though Dr. P is dangerous when wounded.

Mictlan looks as if he is wrapping up his war with Shinuyama.
Who will be the next victim?

MA Ctis Serpent King Pretender lost a head butting contest with a Grand Elephantarch. Elephants have hard heads.

Atlantis is winning its water conquest.

Powers Abysia, Bandar Log, Ermor, Marignon, and possibly Caelum look to be at peace. Caelum deserves some peace and quiet after his conquest of Ulm.

Keep the world posted!

[DrPraetorious]

Thanks for the recommendation, but I don't think I have much of a shot, really.

Attacking Pythium turned out not to be a good move at-all, as my thugs are basically helpless against his hydras http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif.

[Xietor]

I hate Hydras. Several good players, QM and Tuidy, say they are not worth the money. But I hate trying to kill those things personally.

I was so happy in the Big Game when I fought Sauromatia that he did not buy any. And in Alpaca Dr. P, when you also did not buy any. Though in the Big Game with Ctis, I can understand since they have 50 percent pr. And the elite warriors in numbers would likely bring down the hydras with their double attack.

On a side note, though i have never played agartha mp, they feel slow out of the gate in sp. I think id wait for my racial summons before i started any wars.

[Meglobob]

Vs Hydras a strong cavalry charge or massed arhers/crossbows work very well. Been attacked in two other MPs with them and both were successful in defeating them.

Hydras are very good anti thugs/SC's thou. Late game with army of lead they could well be vitually unstoppable, assuming the army of lead stays when they move to a new form.

[DrPraetorious]

Yeah, I should've waited.

To say that they are not worth the money is a great oversimplification. They are not worth spending *all* of your money on. They are clearly worth their money against me.

But pythium looked vulnerable, and I thought Marignon would snap him up if I didn't, so I attacked.

And now, as is often the case, I get to enjoy the fruits of my agression.

[Xietor]

It looks like Eriu launched a surprise attack on Man. Should be interesting.

[Baalz]

Too long has retribution been stalled, too long the balance undone. For generations the Tuatha have bourn the memory of the treachery perpetrated by the nation of Man, the atrocity of genocide performed by wave after wave of the prolific vermin. No more, says the new god, no more will my children wait for revenge. By decree of Baalz the lands of Man are now the sovereign territory of Eriu and all creatures of their court sentenced to death. The Tuatha come once again, we will not be driven from the world a second time.

[Baalz]

Meglobob said:
Hydras are very good anti thugs/SC's thou. Late game with army of lead they could well be vitually unstoppable, assuming the army of lead stays when they move to a new form.



Don't need to wait that long, I've recently become quite enamored with iron warriors. I've been using it to make my monster fish hellishly tough to take down in Evermore, seems like it'd be equally effective with hydras assuming you can land some e2 mages.

[Hadrian_II]

Baalz said:
Too long has retribution been stalled, too long the balance undone. For generations the Tuatha have bourn the memory of the treachery perpetrated by the nation of Man, the atrocity of genocide performed by wave after wave of the prolific vermin. No more, says the new god, no more will my children wait for revenge. By decree of Baalz the lands of Man are now the sovereign territory of Eriu and all creatures of their court sentenced to death. The Tuatha come once again, we will not be driven from the world a second time.



You like air drops, dont you?

[Meglobob]

Hadrian_II said:

Baalz said:
Too long has retribution been stalled, too long the balance undone. For generations the Tuatha have bourn the memory of the treachery perpetrated by the nation of Man, the atrocity of genocide performed by wave after wave of the prolific vermin. No more, says the new god, no more will my children wait for revenge. By decree of Baalz the lands of Man are now the sovereign territory of Eriu and all creatures of their court sentenced to death. The Tuatha come once again, we will not be driven from the world a second time.



You like air drops, dont you?



Perhaps he used stealth as well? Tuatha, now you see them, now you don't.

Beowulfs got his work cut out!

[Xietor]

Mind Hunt targets stealthed commanders. Not sure if seeking arrow does.

btw, if anyone needs an extension because of Christmas, you need to ask for it on the thread(and it will be granted).

[Baalz]

Meglobob said:

Hadrian_II said:

You like air drops, dont you?



Perhaps he used stealth as well? Tuatha, now you see them, now you don't.

Beowulfs got his work cut out!



I find things get so messy when you give people the chance to organize a counterattack. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

I'm looking to trade for about 20 fire gems if anybody has spares.

[Xietor]

We had 3 players stale the past turn(Christmas Day). All 3 are on the short end of wars. So I did not, sua sponte, delay host.

If anyone needs a delay, they just need to ask. As i stated at the sign up, delays will be freely granted over the holidays. But you need to ask for the delay. Otherwise the game will move inexorably forward.

[Janlm]

sorry about the stale, christmass stuff as xietor mentioned above. Merry christmass by the way http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Xietor]

Man is looking like he is staling again. He will be set to AI if he stales a 2nd time. One thing I dislike is players abandoning the game when they are losing a war. While there is no expectation that a player fight a hopeless war to the bitter end, have the courtesy to set your race to ai if you have no desire to continue playing.

It is time consuming for the host of a game to set a player to ai. And if you have a password(which you do not need in a llamaserver game), then only llamabeast can set your race to ai.

Given the number of game he hosts, that is an unfair burden to place on him.

[Agema]

Kindly do not presuppose I am passing because I'm under attack.

I had thought there was a break over Christmas, I have not had ready access to the internet and the game, but I don't have much time to sort stuff out now.

[Agema]

For what it's worth there also appears to be a bug with my PD.

The longbowmen have been replaced by slingers, and the tower guard I think I should get have been replaced by generic heavy infantry.

I've quickly shoved something in for the time limit so I don't stale out again.

[Xietor]

Sorry for the miscommunication(:

In the future I guess i will make sure games do not host on Xmas day even if no one asks for a delay. Extensions over the holidays will be liberally granted, but I did not just automatically pause the game.

Some people likely have more time to do turns over the holidays, rather than less. In any event, I did not want to pause the game if everyone wanted to keep playing.

So if you want the game paused, please post on the thread. Holiday extensions will be liberally granted.

[Xietor]

Man's pd is not affected by Epic Heroes Mod, or the Kitchen Sink Mod. And I doubt seriously that WH Mod affects it.

I have not played Man since the 3.10 patch. But I do not think Man's pd gets longbows until level 20?

I do think you get Tower Guards before 20 though.

[Zeldor]

Xietor:

I think longbowmen are even at level 30, tower guards are not fast too. Small Man PD is considerably weak ,but the higher one is really strong.

[llamabeast]

PD always changes at level 20, not any other level. So if Man gets longbowmen, as seems likely, they come in at level 20.

I am pretty sure that Man's PD under 20 is just slingers and heavy infantry. I don't think it's that great. One of us could just check our manual though. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif (Mine is up a whole flight of stairs!)

In any case Xietor is right that the mods would make no difference to PD, and anything else affected it is also very unlikely.

[Meglobob]

I picked up some of the Tuatha invading Man and longbows would have made no difference. I think all nations PD is useless vs Baalz's thug raiders. Rest easy knowing this, everyone! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Xietor]

Ok,

I just did a test. Man's pd under 20 sucks. Militia, slingers, spearmen.

But at 20 they get a bard, and 1 tower guard and a longbowman.


So if you have a 30 pd, you have a bard, 11 tower guards, and 11 longbows. Not too bad. Under 20 though, do not rely on the pd.

[Xietor]

If I were Man i would do a test and see if seeking arrow hits stealthed commanders.

If so-problem solved(unless they all have amulets missile protection-unlikely). Though depending on the hps of the raiding commanders, it may take more than 1 seeking arrow to dispatch.

And if it takes more than 1, may not be worth the cost to kill one. Mind hunt oth, at 2 s gems a cast, is quite a bargain! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Meglobob]

15 hps + high MR could be a problem.

[Baalz]

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Actually, I think I'll refrain from sharing my ideas at this time. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif After all, I am trying to "be truly the mp champion of Dom III". http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[Meglobob]

Baalz said:
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Actually, I think I'll refrain from sharing my ideas at this time. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif After all, I am trying to "be truly the mp champion of Dom III". http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif



Some way to go to beat, Micah!

[Xietor]

Some way to go to win this game as well, though you are certainly looking pretty good at this juncture. Looking too good too soon though causes its own issues. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[Baalz]

Meglobob said:
Some way to go to beat, Micah!



Alas, as I am unable to beat Micah my only chance for the crown is to win as Eriu...:) Not that I *actually* think that's likely, I'm just currently riding a small window of opportunity which will fairly rapidly close.

[Xietor]

Dear Man,

I did a few tests.

I regret to inform you that seeking arrow does not target stealthed units, and moreover they do not hurt units with glamour. In the back of my mind i recall that seeking arrow was useless against vanheim. Now I remember why:glamour.

But since arrows now remove glamour, perhaps this immunity to seeking arrow is an oversight that can be corrected in the next patch?

KO are you out there?

[Baalz]

At any rate, I think seeking arrow just causes a regular arrow attack? If so, the reasonable armor + shield + decent HP would imply that it would take several castings to result in a kill. Unless I'm mistaken about the mechanics, seeking arrow is more a mage killer....

[Agema]

Sorry to be a pain, particularly as I'm probably going to be dead very shortly, but can I request a 2-day delay until the end of the 31st Jan for this turn? I'm really squeezed at the moment due to some RL complications.

* * *

Personally I don't much rate seeking arrow - it sucks unless you've got some unarmoured, low HP mages to shoot at. I guess you can spend a lot of gems on a reasonably tough target, and even then that tough target has to be pretty much the only hero present in the province.

[Xietor]

done.

I think we can take a small break. So I am going to set the timer back to Jan. 2.

Have a Happy New Year everyone.

[Xietor]

Yeah,

i am not a big fan of seeking arrow. Just mentioned it because sometimes desperate times call for desperate measures. But seeking arrow does not even affect glamor units, so it is not an option against Eriu.

[Meglobob]

Seeking Arrow = Armour Negating. So its just HPs you after worry about, (and glamour...).

[Zeldor]

But casting seeking arrow on all your territories once in a while is not a best idea http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Xietor]

Astrologers have studied the Stars and give this report at the start of year 3:

1. Shinuyama, noble race, has been defeated by Mictlan.

2. Agartha has reversed its fortunes and has Pythium on the ropes.

3. Eriu has almost all of Man conquered, but Beowulf lives yet. And Man still owns its castles.

4. Arcoscephale delivered a crushing blow to MA Ctis, and zoologists have placed Marshmasters on the endangered list. Lizards in general are in short supply.

5. Atlantis edges ever closing to owning all beneath the waves.

Scying has not revealed anything in the South. It appears Caelum, Abysia, and Ermor remain at peace. Bandar Log and Marignon also have not tasted war.

[Xietor]

War has finally come to Abysia.

It is written in the stars that Abysia's response will be more potent than that of Man. I will be very intrigued to see how the Black Phoenix fares against Eriu's thugs. He should be able to kill them fairly easily.

Beowulf still lives, and may yet rally Man from the brink.

[Valerius]

Indeed. Abysia had quite a bad turn. For those of you who haven't checked the score graphs recently I strongly suggest you look at Eriu's province count.

And, if anyone feels inclined to help out in the fight against the Eriu menace you're welcome to join the battle.

[Agema]

Sluice, God of Man, would like to remind all that all of the damage done to the empire of Man was inflicted whilst he was unfortunately away, dreaming of other ages. When he noted the passing of moons without his attention, he launched his forces to several victories, demolishing an army of Eriu, and riding down one of his expensively-equipped heroes, both for trivial losses in return.

Whilst Sluice doesn't hold out much hope of long-term survival, he reminds all Eriu still has a wolf biting at his hamstrings.

Sluice has also seen the future, and takes heart that even should he be vanquished, after Avalon falls as Tir Na Nog before it, come the next era Eriu will be but a memory, and his beloved people of Man will still be building proud towers up towards the heavens.

[Hadrian_II]

I just wanted to say, that the monkey king without equipment was able to kill bogus and his band. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Xietor]

Hmm,

sounds like the boost i gave him was unneeded. Sorry Endoperez. I have to be careful not to make the immortal Epics too powerful.

I think Endoperez had the monkeyking at 8 str 8 hps. Thanks for the input.

I am thinking at this juncture:

Slight boost to

1.Pythium's Angel increase from 0 to 7 protection, a slight dominion spread, and a slow domsummon of the lowest angel(i think an angel of the choir).

2. Removing the boost I gave Bandar Log's Epic hero last turn

3. Decreasing the Agartha Epic Hero's hp or reducing the hp gain from Dr. P's weapon.

4. Reducing the number of Jaguar Warriors the Mictlan Epic hero can make per turn.

5. Substitute a Crusher for the Black Knight's present domsum to help Ulm against tramplers.

6. Arcos-instead of producing 2 hoplites a turn, he will produce 1 tougher unit.

7. Shinuyama-Reduce his MR from 40 to 25. Monks are immune from mind attacks, but in Dominion MR is also used for some attacks not affecting the mind.

8. Machaka-give immortal Assassin the ability to make some scary Spiders.

[Zeldor]

Nothing for R'lyeh? Is he better assassin than machakan?

[Xietor]

Ryleh has the ability to charm enemies, which is powerful.
I may remove his lifeless penalty, so that he can regenerate.
But he has a life drain attack now that gives him back life.

He also has mind blast, and nice melee attacks.

He is much more powerful than machaka assassin, but he is not immortal. Since he has no magic skills, however, i could allow him to make some kind of unit. Maybe an immobile type unit that aids castle defense.

[Zeldor]

The bad thing is that he died to first Smite. The first time he got really attacked by soemthing he instantly died. I guess he gets better with items, but other heroes are getting even better too.

[Xietor]

Some things are just unlucky. I had a Banelord with 42 hps and full items die to 1 mind burn once. In the Big Game, K lost a Dark Knight from Bogus to a pd militiaman.

Smite can be resisted with high mr. I will revisit his hp/mr,
but if memory serves he has good mr and hps. It is wise to give your heroes a mr boost item/luck if possible.

None of the Epic Heroes should be able to defeat an awake sc pretender naked.

[Hadrian_II]

Xietor said:
2. Removing the boost I gave Bandar Log's Epic hero last turn




What was in that boost, only more hp and strength.

As the monkey king has a wapon that does 20 damage, strength is of almost no importance, and later when he can start to use the brands anyway.

And also with a protection of 30 and glamour and resistances of 100 to every element, you dont care how high your HP are as long as they are bigger than 1.

And when you prophetize the Monkey King he gets more HP anyway, and to use an immortal unit outside of your dominion is not the smartest idea anyway.

[Xietor]

Yeah even before your post, i lowered his protection.

[Meglobob]

Xietor said:4. Reducing the number of Jaguar Warriors the Mictlan Epic hero can make per turn.



MA Mictlan only gets jaguars from his capital, just in case you were unaware, don't know if this influences you in reducing the number or not.

When I die, I will try to give a summary of what I thought of the Blood Cursed Champion.

[Xietor]

The Astrologer's hands trembled. "What do the Stars show?" The general inquired.

Looking up the Astrologer said, "World War. None shall keep what they have. All will expand or whither. No nation will know peace. Those that seek peace will be no more. It is the Age of War."

Nodding the General said, "It is what our scouts have seen as well. While our war with the Lizards is ending, I fear peace will not hold sway. We make ready our defense. We train our troops. And we wait."

[Janlm]

C'tis has gone to a better place, we got seriously beaten in this game, guess i was a little out of my league http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Thanks for the game.

[Baalz]

Eriu is willing to pay 30-40 gold (depending on quantity) for air gems and 25 gold for nature or water gems. Anyone looking to change gems into castles should drop me a line.

[Xietor]

It is with profound regret that Arcoscephale announces that Nation of MA Ctis has been vanquished. Had the Serpent King not taken Death Dominion, in effect killing off the Lizards that Arcoscephale loves, things may have happened differently.

As it was Bones felt duty-bound to save as many Lizards as he could from the Serpent King's heartless dominion. Lizards will become full citizens, with equal rights in the Empire.

ooc-I would like to thank Janim for playing in Epic Heroes II. If you have any insight into your Epic Hero, your input would be greatly appreciated. As a reward, I have given you my own personal guide to playing MA Ctis. Hopefully it has something of use in it.

Good Luck in the future!

[Xietor]

Next month brings summer. Summer, the hottest season of the month. Mens' tempers flare. The Stars have been read, and
Summer of year 3 will be the bloodiest year in Epic Heroes II History.

Fortunes will be made-and lost, next season.

[Agema]

I'm moving house at the weekend. The telecoms company have delayed my install, so there's a very high chance I can't get a turn in between about Friday 12GMT to Monday 12GMT. If the game can be briefly delayed, sorry for the disruption.

[Xietor]

Not a problem.

However, i may see if I can get tuidy to sub 1 of your turns. He is an excellent player and i doubt you would be disappointed in his handling of your affairs.

But if you prefer the delay, i will delay the game over the weekend.

[Xietor]

Tuidjy has agreed to sub for you this weekend. If he looks over your position and takes a turn for you, I think you will receive insight on tactics from a very good player.

[Agema]

Sub is fine, thanks, and I need all the help I can get at the moment!

[LoloMo]

The ravenous hordes of Mictlan have descended upon the pristine peaks of Caelum. Hundreds of unstoppable triple blessed jaguars and eagle warriors have devoured provinces all along the Caelum border. Our brave province garrisons were swatted away like mere flies. Against such ferocious, twice lived foes, our great mammoths present no more than a light snack. The eldest of our wise men and Seraphs have been mobilized to face this threat.

Twice have we offered the mighty Mictlan empire an honorable duel limited to only Mictlan and Caelum. Twice have our approaches been ignored. Perhaps there are some who believe cooperation with the devil will buy them time. This couldn't be further from the truth. We call on all nations of the land to aid the Caelum nation in its hour of need against the nefarious blessed killers of Mictlan. Mictlan currently has the largest province base and gem income. Their only weakness lies in their poor research, but the window on this weakness will soon close, and then Mictlan will be unstoppable. Their Epic champion calls upon seven of the most savage twice lived killers the world has ever known every single month, and their priest kings and mages with access to virtually all types of magic will come into power very soon.

The Elders of Caelum have come up with a plan of last resort against Mictlan: Kill every single priest king and sky priest of Mictlan by magic. With even a single priest king or sky priest, their triple blessed hordes are unstoppable. We call upon all nations who recognize the scourge that is Mictlan to coordinate with the Caelum Council, or all is lost.

[Meglobob]

On the Caelum/Mictlan border:-

Cuxtal the sky priest half rolled/flew to avoid the incoming seeking arrow but determined to get his words out before the end, shouted, 'if you believe the above false propaganda you are a bigger fool then Lemming the fool who goes around in a pointy hat with a big F on it and fool written underneath'.

Suddenly, the midday sun was hidden but Cuxtal was perfectly happy to fight in the dark http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif, then he knew why it was dark, with hordes of seeking arrows blotting out the sun...holy [censored]!

Sadly, Cuxtal the sky priest has not been heard of since... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif

[Xietor]

Late Summer of year 3-

1. Ryleh has died, and Atlantis rules over the Oceans.

At this time I wish to thank Zeldor, who stayed to the very end and did all of his turns, even though hope had long since been lost. I know Zeldor was not impressed by the Ryleh Epic hero, and if he can dig up the Epic Heroes Thread on the Mod Forum-likely page 2 or 3-post some suggestions and I will give them all serious consideration.

2. MA Ermor's imprisoned Pretender broke free.

3. Bandar Log and MA Ermor are the only 2 races to have not tasted war. While their empires look good on paper, many empires do before they face a live opponent.

[LoloMo]

The wily priest kings of Mictlan have resorted to luring clueless independent commanders to serve as living shields for them against the seeking arrows of justice. Human scouts and captains now march with the inhuman savages.

The elders of Caelum have to dig deep into their wisdom and ancient lores of war to hold the screaming weredevils of Mictlan at bay.

[Xietor]

"And what pray tell did the Eriu spy have to say for himself before being crushed by a War Elephant?" asked the Arcoscephale General.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crushing_by_elephant

Stifling a yawn the Elephant Trainer replied, "He said the Eriu pretender trusts us not, and decided to scout our lands for possible air drops."

"Not surprising," the General mused. "Obviously the Eriu General knows not of humility. But our Astrologers assure us that it will be a one way trip for any thug who drops in Arcoscephale lands."

[Xietor]

News from the Monthly Astrologer:

Caelum appears to have the early advantage over Mictlan. But a war is more than a battle or 4.

Atlantis has come ashore! Fear the slimy ice spitters!

Early Fall of Year 3 also saw the Mictlan and Caelum Pretenders break free. With Ermor's pretender emerging in Late summer, at least 3 races imprisoned their pretenders.

[LoloMo]

The Ancient Seraph views the carnage around him. Bodies of burnt, broken, and mishapen enemy jaguars litter the battlefield, some of them struck down in the midst of shapeshifting. Fallen eagle warriors with their false wings attest to the enemies' aspirations of flight.

News came to him of similar successes from other raiding parties, but also of heart wrenching defeats. Of the seven carefully planned raids, four have succeeded and three have failed, a far too costly undertaking considering that surprise was on their side this time.

He had given a good accounting of himself this day. But he is old, his body wracked with disease, his eyes dulled by cataracts, his tired spent wings could no longer lift him up into the sky. He had flung his last thunder this day. He lies back down to experience the breathtaking sunset one last glorious time. Tomorrow, the battle will go on without him.

[shard]

Under the waves there was joy unconfined as news that the last of the heretics who dared to defy The Great Panjang's Benevolence have broken, abandoned by their false prophets by the Divine Righteousness of Panjang Himself. The minionry, so long chafing under the rule of the deviants, can finally look forward to peace and the rebuilding of their homes. The sharks wept.

Yet, Panjang is uneasy.

Already have the land dwellers on their mysterious hoofed steeds laid claim to the seas that are His by Right. Though they have learnt to venture into the waves no more, Panjang knows that greedy eyes forever lurk from without, looking for the chance to enslave his minionry. Next time, they may come without warning in greater numbers and power.

Panjang will have to learn about the surface world. Panjang will have to seek friends and teachers.

[DrPraetorious]

Any chance I could get a 24 hr extension? I suppose that a stale at this point wouldn't make much of a difference (and are we on a 48 hr schedule anyway?)

[Xietor]

We are on a 48 hour schedule. Do you need an additional 24 hours?

[DrPraetorious]

Ah, no, I should be able to get a turn in sometime tomorrow.

[Agema]

Man would like to thank Eriu for their temporary stewardship of our second fortress - it's in almost the same condition as we left it - and also for the dramatic lightning storm son et lumiere they put on to welcome us home. We're busying redecorating and hiring new staff already.

We're also very grateful over the last few turns for all the magical equipment their thugs' corpses have donated to our heroes.

[Baalz]

Yes indeed, the reenforcement I sent snuck in and hid in the bushes to watch the show (still there now). Quite pretty it was with all the flashing and banging. :/

[Xietor]

Astrologer Monthly:

1. Ctis had a 2d/2misf dominion scales, resulting in the ruin of many a province. Never ever take misf and death, as that makes for some very ugly depopulating random events.

2. Arcoscephale annexed a couple Eriu provinces to determine what scales a good nature race had. 3 death!!!??? Oh you cruel evil heartless taskmaster. How can you expect your people to worship you when you punish them so?

3. Bandar Log is the only race to not face war. Will that turn out to be a wise or foolish strategy? The stars will not tell all of their secrets.

4. Will the infamous Dr. P perish in a 3 way squeeze between Davy Jones Locker, the righteous crusade, and winged Angels?
For now he still draws breath.

[Tichy]

But is the bat boy in love with a space alien? We want the REAL NEWS.

[Xietor]

The Team has several bat boys.

Bat Boy one is in love with his cousin, who is in love with Bat Boy One's older brother, who is in love with and having an affair with his aunt, who is the mother of the object of Bat Boy One's affections.


Bat boy two is involved in a sordid affair with the pitcher.

Bat boy three is in love with himself!

Bat boy four is actually a girl, and she has a crush on Bat Boy One.

[Hadrian_II]

Xietor said:
3. Bandar Log is the only race to not face war. Will that turn out to be a wise or foolish strategy? The stars will not tell all of their secrets.



This is not exactly true, this month the forces of Bandar Log left our lands to the west into the evil empire of Marignon. Our rishis got the info that they might look rigtheous, but soon they will drop theyr mask and begin to worship demons, so we had to step in to save the population.

[Sir_Dr_D]

High Priest Raymond: Greetings most righteous followers of Taurvati. May he fill you with power!

Overly Zealous Crowd: We are filled with Taurvati’s wisdom.

High Priest Raymond: You followers have been very righteous. But it is now important that you be more righteous then ever. I am going to tell you a story.

Tithe Collector: (scowl)

High Priest Raymond: There was once this monkey, who happened to be born from a magic egg. The egg caused the monkey to think he was special, and because he did not grow up learning about the love of Taurvati, he got very greedy. Not being happy with what he was born with, he used evil and mischief to gain more power. He learnt illusion and flying, and bullied people into giving him magic items. Not being satisfied with even this he has done the ultimate evil. He has eaten the peaches of life and become immortal.

Flagellant Bob: How awfull. Then we must talk to him about the peace and happiness of Taurvati.

High Priest Raymond: We have tried that, but he has been filled with evil for so long he has not been listening. And even worse this monkey has formed his own kingdom, and pronounced himself king. This has kept our missionaries from teaching other monkies from learning about Taurvati’s wisdom.

Flagellant Bob: That is so sad.

Tithe Collector: (grunt)

High Priest Raymond: That leaves only one thing that we can do. In order for those monkeys to learn about the happiness that we all live in, we most get rid of the evil monkey king, and his co- conspirators. Only then, can the monkeys be saved.

Overly Zealous crowd: (chanting) Save the monkeys! Destroy the monkey king! Save the monkeys! Destroy the monkey king!

Flagellant Bob: I will beat the monkey king myself.

Tithe Collector: (hmmmmm) – he then takes off on his own some where. Presumably to make another statue.

[Xietor]

It has finally broken loose. World War!

It is time to throw down your hands. Know when to hold them, know when to fold them. High stakes poker.

All nations now strive for mastery. And while some will prevail, other will perish. None will know peace before ascension. The days of peace are at an end.

[Xietor]

Frightened local Commander: ummmm Bones would like a report sir.

Asterios, unchained: Rooooaaaarrrr! Me eat stupid Eriu horse and Tuathian on horse. But still hungry. Need more meat!

Frightened local Commander:umm, yes sir. I mean mighty one. Meat? well i am certain we have a spare elephant or three. What ever you need.

Asterios, unchained: Roarrrr! Stupid Commander. Me knows Bones likes his elephants. Me no want Bones mad. Stupid commanders though.... Does Bones need those? Me thinks not.

[Hadrian_II]

Bandar Log just won a big strategical victory, marignon will miss his grandmasters for the rest of the game. We also weep the death of our elephants that had to die to capiture the enemy capitol.

But see for yourself http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif
http://www.shrapnelcommunity.com/threads/uploads/577070-battle.jpg

[DrPraetorious]

Good work, Bandar Log, but too late to do me much good. I'll be sending you my remaining gems, as I'm squashed, I'm afraid.

I'll see if I can inflict a few more losses on either Marignon or Atlantis, but this seems doubtful. At least I took a fair quantity of atlantean stuff with me.

[Xietor]

Dr. P. The Silver Orangs are a new addition to the new version of the Epic Heroes Mod. Any thoughts on them?

As an aside, you own more provinces than 5 other nations. Talk of your demise may be premature now that one of your biggest enemies has bigger worries than Umbrals atm.

[Baalz]

Bleh, this game was more fun when I was winning. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

Note to self: In the future avoid 5 on 1 wars.

Man, Abyssia, T'ien Ch'i = crippled and easily defeatable if I had the luxury of focusing on them. Tenatious S.O.B.'s aren't interested in rolling over short of that so we're stuck trading a few provinces back and forth.

Ermor & Arco = Defeatable one on one, divided up as I am I can only offer a token defense to either one and with both attacking with good thug counters (strong astral) I don't stand too much chance. Hitting me from both ends they're (barring diplomatic constraints) quite likely to split all the territories I've taken and put the above three out of their misery.

[Xietor]

Baalz,

After you beat up on me in Evermore, I am grateful to have numbers on my side this time!

My hat is off to you. You are still winning btw!

[Meglobob]

Earth + Death gems for sale!

Limited stocks!

Final Clearance, closing down sale!

Only 20 gps each, a bargain.

Contact Mictlan now.

Offer open to all, except Caelum.

[Baalz]

Your condescending attitude is quite presumptive and abrasive Xietor. I think I'll leave my response at that.

[Zeldor]

Baalz:

I guess everyone was thinking about how to deal with you after conquer of Man. And after taking down Abysia probably most people were almost ready to stop all wars and unite against you.

[Xietor]

oops.

My sincere apology baalz. I was not trying to be abrasive or condescending. You are an excellent player to have earned the wrath of the entire free world while playing one of the weaker races.

It is an honor to have a player of your skill in this game, and i do hope you accept my apology. No offense was intended. I will edit my poorly worded post.

[Baalz]

Apology accepted Xietor, and I appologize myself. I'm just a bit grumpy as I very much disagree with your assessment that I'm still winning. I'm not bowing out by any stretch, but I very much expect a drastic drop in my score graphs shortly...:) It's not obvious from the army graph because I'm using mostly thugs but this last turn was rather catastrophic for me army wise...

[DrPraetorious]

Xietor's style leaves something to be desired, but I don't think he means in that way.

Anyway, Xietor's assertion that I could still be competitive in this game has some merit to it, if I really wanted to be tenacious. However, after my second disastrous war, and many other irritating mistakes, I think I'll chalk this down as a learning experience and concentrate on my other two games (where I'm winning.)

There are few things more frustrating that suffering the consequences of your own shortsightedness and stupid mistakes http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif, which is exactly what's happening to me now.

With clever diplomacy I could stay in this thing - and I'm not going AI yet - but I hardly think it's likely.

[Tichy]

Baalz: "It's not obvious from the army graph because I'm using mostly thugs but this last turn was rather catastrophic for me army wise... "

So...I can has my capital back?

By which I mean:

I AM SO SICK OF THOSE THUGS.

[Baalz]

ROTFL Tichy, how I begged you not to attack me. I begged, I pleaded, I offered a big bribe, and in the end I told you the war would screw me up but I was sure it would screw you up more. Well, if its any consolation I think it did screw me up as much as I don't have any way at this point to even slow down Arco's stately march into my lands. I'd offer to give you your capital back, but I'm sure Arco has other plans for it. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Tichy]

Yes, all of these things are true, and were tempting. I knew it was a gamble stacked against me to attack you, and I knew I really wasn't ready because the dance with C'tis had stalled my research and diseased half my mages. (You may have seen them. They were all the guys in the front with 2 hit points casting magma bolts until they ate firbolg.)

But my only other option was to sit tight and do nothing as you or whatever coalition attacked you became increasingly powerful, or attack Arco with whom I have good relations, and who wasn't expanding his way to dogpile bait. I made my decision and stick with it. I just wish you'd had to use more than one damn strategy to cause me so much grief.

[Zoshan]

I will, with grace and humility accept anyones surrender at this point in the game. Feel free to send me all your gems and gold.

[shard]

DrP: I thought it was a pretty even battle actually, until all your ancient ones started breaking, which was pretty lucky for me. I wasn't expecting a full blown attack either.

Xietor: I don't think my silver orangs played a major part in it though, other than some mopping up towards the end and freezing the rest of my troops to death http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif


Anyway, seeing all those amphibious troops... well - Panjang No Like.


PS - not used to big battles with so many commanders. Is there a way to 'fast forward' without having to use the 'n' key? And does orang refer to the Malay word for 'man'??

[Agema]

Baalz's tactic with the stealth caught me very much on the hop as Man, although nothing was quite as crippling for me as being stale the first two turns I was attacked. I was quite lucky I'd hired lots of knights of Avalon: they were just about the only troops I had capable of taking on the thugs apart from Beowulf.

Still, this is only my joint-second MP game, and my only non-newbie game, and I'm just hanging in there to learn as much possible before someone completes my demise. (Note to self: make more use of thugs.)

[Baalz]

Agema, you've done a wonderful job in a rough situation. FWIW what I did would have taken the most veteran player unexpected. I attacked with no warning whatsoever, using thugs nobody could deal with at the time and hit every one of your provinces in two turns - you just had the misfortune of being next to me when I hit con-4. Honestly, if you had stayed dead when you were down to just a sieged capital (I badly underestimated Beowulf and was way too slow countering those knights) I would have been able to roll over Abyssia fast enough to have the forces ready hit T'ien Ch'i overwhelmingly the turn that war started leaving me with free troops to fight Arco or Ermor while skirmishing the other. The fact I wrote you off prematurely is directly responsible for my current woes.

[Baalz]

shard said:
PS - not used to big battles with so many commanders. Is there a way to 'fast forward' without having to use the 'n' key? And does orang refer to the Malay word for 'man'??



Hit 'f'

[Xietor]

Silver Orang is just a name I came up with. So it has no intentional reference to anyone or anything, living or dead. Any resemblance to anyone or anything is purely coincidental, and if proven otherwise by a final judgment of a court with valid jurisdiction, it should be considered "fair use" of the term(s) within the meaning of the International Copyright Act.

[Xietor]

Bones addressed the faithful:

"Eriu is far from done. But while their Great Mother with 405 hps(in her dominion), 16 revig, 25 prot, and 86 regen, is fighting us, our friends are regaining what they lost.
So other nations should see little resistance in gobbling up Eriu Provinces.

Rumors spread by Eriu that Arcoscephale is attacking Tien Chi's capital are an attempt to sow dissension among the victimes of Eriu's aggression that have banded together to throw his Tuathians back into their own foul lands.

We have a mutual defense pact and a 3 turn nap with noble Tien Chi. And we have worked in concert with Tien Chi. And it is our intention to see Tien Chi occupy Eriu's capital.

Arcoscephale is not an aggressive nation. We treat with our friends, and wreck havoc on our enemies. Any race with a death dominion IS an enemy of Arcoscephale. And we are comfortable with our present borders.

While our forward army was defeated by the Great Mother last turn, we are pleased that our brave troops hacked so deeply into one of her giant legs that she now walks with a limp.

Our Astrologers have also marked the Great Mother for special attention should a Nation with Blood Magic desire to send a Horror or 4 to the province in which she dwells(180).

Now that we have seen the Beast, our Astrologers are busy studying methods to bring her down!"

[Xietor]

New Patch 3.14 is out.

Llamabeast says for the turn that hosts next, you can use old version, but you must download the patch for next turn.

[shard]

What happens if we dl and use the patch now? Will there be any difference? Can't wait to play around with Bogarus!

[Meglobob]

shard said:
What happens if we dl and use the patch now? Will there be any difference? Can't wait to play around with Bogarus!



If the servers 3.10 and you use 3.14 you will crash the server and the turn will not run until your 2h file is deleted.

Meaning you will stale or after do your turn all over again from scratch using 3.10.

Copy your dom exec to your desktop, rename Dom310, cut/paste it back where it was. Then install 3.14. Now you can play sp 3.14 and use the 3.10 exec to do your turns.

[Xietor]

I would send in your turn before downloading the patch(just to be safe). But Llamabeast says you can do it either way for this turn. Everyone must use the 3.14 version for the turn after this one.

[Meglobob]

Xietor said: But Llamabeast says you can do it either way for this turn.



Llamabeasts tech knowledge is far superior to mine, so I am probably wrong but I am sure he said that last patch and there were problems.

My way is 100% safe and I have been throu all the patches from 3.00 ---> present.

[Xietor]

Llamaserver added an extra day to the host(because of the patch). But I do not think we need 72 hours at this stage to do a turn. And I reserve the right to shorten it back to the original duration if a delay is not warranted. In this case Llamabeast applied the patch in minutes so no delay at all is warranted.

Nonetheless, I did leave 10 hours of the delay in tact since 2 persons did not have their turns in yet.

[Xietor]

General reporting to Bones, Supreme Immortal:
"Sire, despite sound defense, we were raided by Eriu's pretender and 10 thugs. We regret to report that we killed only 2 of his thugs. many provinces were lost."

Bones chuckles. "Eriu will find getting his thugs into my lands is easier than getting them out. While he has only been a nuisance to this point, and i did not want to shift mages away from key research, the time has come to fully commit to the war effort. And that includes our mages.

"Let the Mind Hunts Begin in Ernest!"

"Also General, hard times call for hard measures. You may notice that our forces are now being bolstered by undead generals. I do not anticipate that your men shall ever be in close quarters with the undead.

But I have determined these Undead Generals are just what we need to take back our provinces from Eriu with minimal loss. Not to mention, should we outguess him and have our Bane Lords waiting in a province he attacks, his fey thugs will prove no match for our Undead Generals.

I also think these Undead Generals can kill that accursed Great Mother. Time will tell. If she has the heart to leave her dominion, I will kill her myself.

[Hadrian_II]

It seems that our war agains marignon has forced the evil empire to pull back his troops from the outer realm and now big parts of his former empire have become independent.

We have also retreated from his capital to recieve reinforcements, and we are now almost ready to deliver the final blow to marignon.

Bandar log will also provide asylum for the caravans of agarthans that arrived in our capital lately. We hope that the caverns of our lands are big enough for them.

[Baalz]

I fear the song of the Tuatha draws near to the end. Foes rise from every corner of the world overwhelming us by sheer press of flesh. From north and south foul sorceries destroy the minds of our lords while foul undead are raised in ever growing numbers as the twins Arcoscephale and Ermor slowly crush the life from us. Insurgents in the former nations of Abyssia and Man continue to bleed us while the Emperor of T’ien Ch’i continues to mount resistance and defy our retribution for his aggression. Our noble lords are slowly ground down as the waves erode boulders, small as their lives and will are these common men have numbers without end.

The future looks bleak for the Sidhe, and the last of the Tuatha suit for their final battles. With little hope of lasting victory we marshal our last strength in defense of the old ways. Once we are gone the world shall be a bleaker place but one thing is certain, the final verse of the Tuatha song will be a glory worth singing.

[shard]

While we believe that the Monkey people only have the utmost of good intentions for the plight of the Agarthan citizenry they can be assured that such concern is unnecessary.

Agartha's citizenry will hopefully achieve what they have always dreamed for eversince swarms of amphibious ones were spotted on the coast; freedom to enter and roam the seas. Under the benevolence of Panjang, of course.

[Xietor]

Chief Astrologer Quadious reports to Bones:

"Sire, we are pleased to report 4 of 5 of our mind hunts were successful. That is 4 less Eriu commanders in our lands, and they were all carrying items."

General Alexioz reporting to Bones:

"It was as you said my lord. Eriu actually tried to attack our twin capitals. And we killed the invaders and captured some neat items. We also retook 3 of the provinces we previously lost, and successfully defended another. Eriu's invsion is not yet fully contained, however. Eriu still has a few thugs running around making mischief."

Bones smiled evilly. "Eriu has clearly underestimated us. If he thought to paralyze us as he did Abysia, he has no earthly idea who he is trifling with. And even had he succeeded in sieging our capital, does he not realize that the time of armies has passed?

A new power has awoken. A power that needs no gold or food to survive. Tremble Eriu. The time of thy doom is at hand. And your aggressive actions against our peaceful people has hastened it.

I see you Great Mother, limping and horror marked. A pitiful sight for a pretender to be sure. All we need to do is curse you and you will be a complete mess.

By all means keep coming North dear. One foot in my dominion and you will learn why your ancestors feared the night!"

[DrPraetorious]

After Agartha terminates the invasion that is being carried out by the wicked Atlantean and Marignonese, Atlantis will no longer be a power worth considering. I say to those depraved individuals who plot beneath the waves, thinking to perpetrate psychological war and brainwashing: wait. Do not be hasty because your disappointment will be huge. You will reap nothing from this aggressive war, which you launched on Agartha, except for disgrace and defeat.

-- Muhammed Saeed al-Sahaf, Prophet of Knife Bright Insight

[Xietor]

In a deep cavern underneath the Capital, Bones, immortal, undead, and surrounded by an unearthly chill gazed clearly upon his undead general despite the pitch black condition of the room.

Undead General: The Great Mother is no more Creator.

Bones: Yes, the weapons I forged for your "brother" were designed to kill her. She really never had a chance. Poor woman. In time I will release her from the fragile shell in which she dwells. Then she will serve me.

She was a worthy adversary, however, and likely would have gone far had she not become too dangerous to leave unopposed.

[Xietor]

The standings Late Summer year 4:

Provinces:
1. Atlantis
2. Caelum
3. Eriu
4. Ermor

Income
1. Atlantis
2. Caelum
3. Eriu
4. Ermor

Forts

1. Atlantis
2. Bandar Log
3. Caelum
4. Eriu

Gem Income
1. Atlantis
2. Caelum
3. Ermor

Army Size
1. Mictlan
2. Caelum
3. Ermor

Research
1. Ermor
2. Bandar Log
3. Ermor

Clear leader is Atlantis, though he is not battle tested. Caelum is likely the true leader, with Ermor hot on his heels.

Mictlan, Eriu, Arcos, Bandar Log and Marignon are in the hunt, but behind.

Man, Abyisa, Tien Chi, Agartha,and pythium are all likely too far in a hole to climb out of.

[Sir_Dr_D]

Sure Xietor, leave out the dominion score where I am leading. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif And everywhere that I am forth you only list the top 3.


Incidentally I just found an unexpected use of the Tithe collectors sacred monuments. Horror mark decoys. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/shock.gif It seems that Bandar log actually tried to to horror mark my pretender. Too bad he was elsewhere at the time. I suppose that when a horror finally comes to take the lives of those poor sacred monuments, that we will end up with a blind horror. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

[Xietor]

You need to read the message of the day. Words of wisdom. It is not necessarily a good thing to lead the score graphs!

[Tichy]

I'm just amazed by Ermor. First AND third in research. How does he do it?!

[shard]

Atlantis isn't a leader, just bumbling along, discovering new things about the game every turn! %^$#@ castles on land can't recruit any leaders was one lesson I learnt that way. And that there are SOOOOO many spells that can't be cast underwater which I had taken for granted.

Incidentally, when you receive a notice that so and so has been slain by a mental attack - that means you've been targeted with a mind hunt? Whats the best way to prevent those? My poor scout... anyway, is there a way to tell if theres been a failed attack against you?

[Meglobob]

shard said:Incidentally, when you receive a notice that so and so has been slain by a mental attack - that means you've been targeted with a mind hunt? Whats the best way to prevent those? My poor scout... anyway, is there a way to tell if theres been a failed attack against you?



Yes, definately mind hunt.

Have your own S mage in the province.

It fails when you get a message saying your dude resisted and survived.

[Baalz]

*sigh* incidentally, you'd think having a MR of 17-21 would provide some resistance to mindhunts, even with penetration boosts. Sadly I'm not exaggerating when I estimate that about 15 of 18 mindhunts I've been hit with this game have been successful. Am I wrong about the mechanics of how that works (figuring I'd have a better than even chance against even a rune smasher + eye of the void + spell focus) or was I just unlucky? I suppose some of them could have been from big astral pretenders, but man it's annoying to watch even my guys with MR pendants dropping like Ulmish knights.

Anyway, I'm not long for this world. I'm going down fighting, but I do hereby release those of my neighbors who've held their NAP's with me. No need for my friends to miss out on the feeding frenzy...

[Meglobob]

Well you have been slightly unlucky Baalz, 17-21 MR is simply not high enough, you still have a 30% - 40% chance of dieing, approx.

Thats why sometimes lead shield, rainbow armour and armour of souls are good too.

Of course, it sucks big time when you play a nation with little or no astral magic.

[Xietor]

I feel for you Baalz even though I must admit I am the guilty party with respect to your mind hunts. And you are correct, the mind hunts are pen. 5.

In Alpaca i was facing Gameextremist who was playing Arcos, while I was playing Pangaea(high mr mages)and I was simply amazed as to how high your mr needs to be to resist mind hunts. Typically above 25 is almost mind hunt proof. 23-25 is pretty safe.

Below 23 and it is open season. I have 2-3 threads that fell on deaf ears on the forums saying cost for mind hunt should be raised above the paltry 2 s gems it costs.

And the sad thing with arcos, is the risk of feeble mind is completely negated if you have 3 priestesses set to healing in the province from which you are mind hunting.

I finally took his capital and that ended the mind hunts. Short of that, you are screwed.

[Xietor]

I would caution any race that taking "free provinces" from an enemy when i have done the bulk of the work is viewed by me with great displeasure.

If you are not presently at war with Eriu(I thought everyone was), than take Eriu provinces at your own risk.

[Xietor]

Lastly, I want to do a public salute to Baalz. He came up with a tremendous strategy for playing what I wrongly thought was a race with no hope. And it is completely viable in a vanilla game with no mods.

Had Baalz not be ganged by 5 races, he certainly could have won this game. Which is why I suspect he started a new game with score graphs off! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/smile.gif

[shard]

Xietor said:
And the sad thing with arcos, is the risk of feeble mind is completely negated if you have 3 priestesses set to healing in the province from which you are mind hunting.

I finally took his capital and that ended the mind hunts. Short of that, you are screwed.



Say... aren't you Arcos?

We're screwed! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif

[Xietor]

Hardly, i am not in the top 3 of any score graphs(: Never could overcome my slow start. So I am basically helping the newer players in my area.

If I really was going to win I would have taken Tien Chi's capital when Baalz had it under siege and i had an army next to it. Instead i freed his provinces for him.

Arcos will be a king maker this game, not the King.

[Sir_Dr_D]

Flagellant Bob: I just heard some horrible news. I have heard some bad things about the monkey king, but I didn’t think even he would resort to that.

Missionary Dave: You are referring to what happened to poor Taurvati? (may he fill us with power.)

Flagellant Bob: But Taurvati is so gentle, and has done so many good things. He only rose to become the new god so he could save the world from wickedness. Is what the monkey king did really true?

Missionary Dave: I am afraid so. Last month Taurvati learned he had a number of followers in one of Bandar Logs provinces. He traveled there to teach these people, and give them wisdom. But the mischievous monkey king showed up. Taurvati tried to reach out to him, but instead the monkey king poked him in the eye. Tauvrati, as powerfull as he is, could have easily defeated this monkey, but instead Taurvati flew away so he could think of some other way to reach out to this wicked creature.

Flagellant Bob: But now Taurvati is going to have to spend the rest of his existence with only one eye! I will poke the monkey king in the eye and see how he likes it.

Missionary Dave: Remember Flagellant Bob, Taurvauti teaches forgiveness and to only use violence when necessary. The Grand Masters forgot about that and got greedy with there power and what happened?

Flagellant Bob: heretic monkeys arrived and slew them.

Missionary Dave: But Marignon had many virtuous followers such as yourself and what happened?

Flagellant Bob: Creatures out of the sea rose up, and destroyed the heretic statue makers, and powerful angels arrived and helped us drive the heretic monkeys out.

Missionary Dave: See! When you are virtuous things go your way. And now the heretic monkeys are on the run ,and we have freed a number of provinces from the monkey kings influence. Which means we can now start teaching the monkeys the joy and wisdom of Taurvati.

Flagellant Bob : Hurrah!!! We get to save the monkeys!

Missionary Dave: Now you should really find the Tithe Collector. He has some things he needs you to do.

Flagellant Bob: The Tithe Collector scares me, but I will find him. (He starts wandering off chanting ‘Stop the monkey king! Save the monkeys! ‘ )

[Xietor]

Agartha, led by the indomitable Dr.P, has been defeated on turn 45.

Dr. P had the misfortune to get caught in a 3 way war with none of 3, Atlantis, Marignon, or Pythium on his side.

Thank you for playing Dr. P, and any comments on the Agartha Hero will be appreciated.

[Xietor]

General Tartasis reporting to Bones: Our never defeated army was destroyed my lord. The Tuatha mages cast fog warriors, then the great mother cast earthquakes, while their other mages peppered our troops with orb lighting, petrify, and frozen heart.

Bones: Baalz has feigned weakness it seems. Eriu is far from dead. We will have to pull the remnants of our army back to our lands and regroup. A sound defeat.

Our fears that Atlantis has been aiding Eriu with gems is also confirmed. And more than that it seems they are acting in concert. The foolish undersea dweller does not realize that destroying Eriu, if we are able to finish the task, is a public service.

[shard]

Atlantis aiding Eriu with gems? Acting in concert? The mind hunters have great penetration, but this must have been quite a desperate shot in the dark.

Panjang proclaims anathema to heretics, those who threaten his abode under the waves, and those who betray him. The concerns of the rest of the landlings interest him not. In fact Eriu's plight concerns him even less, as it is a most fitting punishment for they who were foolhardy enough to venture into the deep seas without Panjang's leave*.




*See Page 23

[Baalz]

Never fear, the world vs Eriu alliance remains strong. Atlantis is in fact on the very long list of people attacking me and in fact was the first to do so other than the ones I attacked. That battle really only used like 15 gems, just had the right research and it was unexpected.

The song of the Tuatha continues to draw to a close, this was likely the climax as I remain utterly unable to staunch the blood flow. Those who haughtily lay claim to the heartland of Eriu though will find no free meal here.

[Xietor]

Baaltz you lost a host of vine shields. there is no way you had that many n gems. Someone is feeding you(or was).

Though you are outnumbered, 3 of the nations are small and/or have new players, and one stale turns a lot and has more interest in taking abysia provinces then taking yours.

But it is always harder to dig out a person in his castles in his dominion. Much easier to defend than attack when it comes to castles.

You had a good battle plan. I actually anticipated the fog warriors, but not the earthquakes. Not much i can do about that with my present research and mage paths anyway.

[Baalz]

Nah, with the exception of one trade partner (who I traded for some nature gems) the most anyone has done to help me is to honor their NAPs. You will, of course, believe what you want but with the epic heroes in play and plenty of time (at this point) to have adjusted themselves every single one of my adversaries is steadily advancing on me, it's pointless to even send out lone thugs with Ermor and Arco very effectively mind hunting me regardless of who's territories I attack, and being attacked by 6 people (7 if the Mictlan AI decides I look like a weak target)...well, my larger armies can only be in a couple places at a time and other than a couple tricks aren't that terribly scary.

I suppose your point is that you believe I'm feigning weakness, I guess I'll take that as a compliment that you fear me despite the terrible position I'm in. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

(FYI, I started site searching turn 2 for water/nature sites for exactly this reason)

[Hadrian_II]

Bandar Log is crushed, we werent able to defend against the evil empire of marignon. Our great army was shattered without survivors. Raiding parties of the evil empire roam free through our territory.

The people of Bandar Log are leaving their territory, hoping to get asylum in the east in arcoscephale. And the human leaders of the outer parts of the empire are starting to collaborate open with the enemy.

We call on the empires of Atlantis and Arcoscephale to shield as much of our territory from marignon as they can.

Notes to the log.
Communions are no tool for battles, when you see 20 communion slaves die in one turn, then something is quite wrong. (Just 6 masters)

Flaming Arrows are a pain in the arse, does someone know if they can dispel mistform?

Why have rishis always to cast stuff like berserkers and healing http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif

[Agema]

There's a 1% chance of a mistform being cancelled by an attack, and it's automatically cancelled if 25+ points of damage after protec are caused. I think flaming arrows actually cause two attacks (the arrow, then the fire). So that gives them twice as much likelihood of getting a 1% cancelling, as well as the chances that 25 damage may be inflicted on one of the two occasions.

It's possible that the fire and the arrow may be counted together for the damage, in which case 10-12 damage (AP?) plus an AP fire attack has a fair chance of causing 25 damage to unit with average protec in the one attack.

[Xietor]

The Noble race of Arcoscephale will happily accept new citizens from Bandar Log! Peace has existed for ages between our races.

Our Astrologers are not big fans of communions-with a few notable exceptions. Flaming arrows can take down mistform/fog warriors.

[Xietor]

The Field of contenders is thinning, with Agartha, Mictlan, and Bandar Log all dying off in quick succession.

It will be interesting to see who emerges from the pack to win EH II. My money is still on Caelum, but I am not as confident in my pick as I was.

[Xietor]

Stale turn warning to Ermor.

While Ermor has never stale turned 2 turns in a row, he has 5 stale turns. That position is strong and will not be set to ai, but I will seek a replacement player if the stales continue.

I think Zeldor said he wants back in the game if someone needs a sub, so he will get 1st crack. Of course if Sieger is a bit more diligent with his turns, then the issue is moot.

If anyone else has an interest, pm me. If Ermor stales next turn I will get a sub for that position, which is as strong as any really.

[Zeldor]

I am traveling soon, so I rather cannot touch anything new until at least 4th March. I still don't know how much freee time I will have there, so I do not want to get into new commitments http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Xietor]

Bones: A Blue Dragon?

Undead General: Yes Creator, a dragon. It attacked me in what I must assume was a chance meeting. It is a fierce beast, but it turned tail and ran when I got a hit or 2 on him. Typical behavior of the living.

Bones: Great Mothers! Dragons! What else could possibly descend upon us next? Angels? It is too bad Marignon decided not to treat with the Astrologers. Had the Dragon, obviously possessed of more brawn then brains, deemed to treat with us, these chance meetings could be avoided.

As it is, tell the troops that are saving the last Bandar Log refugees to be on the look out for flying creatures of all sorts.

[shard]

I'll be leaving for a trip and I'm not sure when I can get email access so I'd like to request for a 24hr extension if possible.

Thanks in advance!

[Xietor]

I will grant a 24 hour delay.

[Xietor]

Turn 50 status report:

Atlantis has the forge up, as well as Mother Oak and Gift of Health. Atlantis has double the gem income of any other nation and is 2nd in research. Atlantis also owns 4 capitals.

Other strong contenders in order of power:

Caelum-soon to have 4 capitals and a great spot in the corner
Marigon-angels plus Pythium and bandar log capitals
Ermor-ist in research, strong armies
Arcos-2 capitals, a distant 2nd in gem income, 3rd in research
Eriu-do not count out Baalz.

[Zeldor]

Looks like you should gang up on Atlantis now instead of picking on poor Baalz http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Xietor]

It may be too late to gang up on Atlantis, and he is hard to get at in the water. Most of the races that can go easily into the water, Shinuyama and Agartha, are dead.

But the casting of the forge is akin to Wrath of the Gods and Arcane Nexus. It is not something you cast in a mp game unless you think you can beat the combined might of the rest of the world.

[Sir_Dr_D]

Should we stall the game some more for Shard. He is away, trying to get his turn in, but may be unable to commincate he cannot find intenet access,

[Agema]

At last, it seems the defiance of Man is to be shattered.

As Beowulf and the Prophet of Man struggle to hold the outlying provinces, a vast force of Fir Bolgs under the direction of the obese goddess Baalz and her Tuatha minions is assaulting the gates of the capital. The tower guards hurry to reinforce the splintering gates and rebuild the crumbling walls. The witches make their preparations, pondering the best use of the last baubles left to them for their highest magics. In the deepest recesses of the inner temple, the god Sluice dispassionately contemplates the end of his endeavours, and dreams of the future of the world.

[Xietor]

War unfortunately delayed Arcoscephale's arrival to constr.
8, but I am shocked that all the good stuff I have paths to is gone(: Thieves I say! Oh well, sometimes it is easier to take artifacts from other players in combat then to forge them yourself! Saves gems too.



Bones: My precious, Dark Scepter, it is lost. Lost! We curses you. We hates you. We will find the thief and hunt him down.

[Sir_Dr_D]

I would like to make a request , since we are now in the late game, to have a 3 day hosting scedule. The turns now take to long, and it is hard to get my turns in.

[Xietor]

for now i would like to maintain a 48 hour schedule, and grant 24 hour extensions on a as needed basis. But if more people need 72 hours i will reconsider. We went the entire epic heroes I game on a 48nhour schedule and that game went well over 100 turns. That is the reason I am only in 2 games max at a time.

But if i get 2 more requests for a 72 hour host schedule we will move to 72. Also if Atlantis requests a move to 72 hours, it will be granted given the number of provinces and troops etc he controls.

[shard]

I'm back from my trip so I'm fine for the time being. However I do have to jet off again for a couple of weeks at the end of March so I'll try and find a sub for that timeframe. Assuming Atlantis hasn't been partitioned yet of course :p

[shard]

Panjang proclaims ANATHEMA to cowardly Ermor, for breaking an oath of Peace.


Let it be known to the neighbours of Ermor - Watch your borders well, and be aware that treaties by their diplomats are worth less than the offal of the very least of their blood slaves.


Also let it be known that Anual, the spineless fountain idolised by the misguided peoples of Ermor is now dust, along with a coterie of his grand thaumaturg underlings. Drunk with their own intoxicating astral powers, they underestimated the powers of the Deep. They paid the price with their deaths.


The Forges of the Great Panjang are open* for those who shall join Him in Executing Righteous Retribution upon the corrupt filth that casts its shadow over the lands and seas. Strike now while Anal remains shattered. Strike now before the fountain rises again, ready to teleport and enslave the minds of your peoples. For sure, He shall choose an easier target than the loyal minions of Panjang.



*pm his keeper for details

[Xietor]

Astrologer Headache: Sire 2 of our mages were magically attacked by giant Earth Elementals. Fortunately, their bodyguards defeated them with no loss. One of our scouts on Man's capital was felled by a mind hunt. We have 6-7 other scouts in the area, so it was not a great loss.

Bones: Earth Attacks! Mind Hunts! What has the peaceful race of Arcoscephale done to warrant such hatred? Have we not always honored our treaties? Have we not shown courtesy to our enemies?

I fear these evil magics were done by Atlantis. My attempt to recapture my stolen Dark Scepter from them failed. Surely they can not fault me for seeking to recover what is mine?
In any event, I will not rest until it is back in my hands.
Thieves stole it, and how Atlantis got its grubby paws on it is a mystery.

[shard]

Sorry for the late notice but somethings come up at work so I have to stay back for a bit. I'd like to request a temporary 12 hour extension so I can submit a proper turn.

[Xietor]

Sorry Shard. While I am on this forum a lot, I typically go to sleep at 11:00 pm. And your request was posted at 2:40 am(:

[Xietor]

I had a request to turn off auto host and did so. So you can send in your turn early without worry that the turn will process. The game will not process a turn until the 48 hours has elapsed.

[Xietor]

We had 2 players stale last turn. With quickhost off, there is no reason not to do a 5 minute turn early that covers the basics, then submit a more detailed turn later.

Things happen in life, and something may come up where you cannot do a detailed turn later. That is why it is smart to do a basic turn and send it in early. The game will not host until the 48 hour period elapses even if every player submits a turn.

So you still have the full 48 hours regardless of whether you submit a turn early. My empire is as big as most, and my base turn took 5 minutes.

[Xietor]

A reminder on a couple of house rules:

1. unexplained stales 2 turns in a row will result in either me finding a sub for your nation(even if I have to delay the game), or setting your race to ai if it is not viable.

2. All requests for 24 hour delays must be posted on the game thread. Do not pm me with the request. If a delay is granted, it affects every player and everyone should know why the delay is occurring.

I find I get bored and lose interest in games that get delayed too often(Alpaca is my best example), or have a long host schedule(72 hours), and I will not sacrifice the fun of the many for the few.

3. No request for an extension of more than 24 hours will be granted, unless it is a holiday. If you are going on vacation etc., find a sub. If you need help finding a sub pm me.

4. Dominions games take a long time to complete. Several months. EH I went about 110 turns. Therefore my view of a good game admin is to keep the game moving inexorably forward towards conclusion.

The end game takes more time to do turns. If you are in several mp games, or work insane hours, or have a demanding wife etc, and do not anticipate being able to manage turns on a 48 hour schedule, it may be time to look for a permanent sub. EH II, like EH I, will not be moving to a 72 hour host schedule.

[Xietor]

1. I am going to tone down the immortal heroes a bit.

A. Monkey King's protection will be reduced to 20, and his resists will be 50 percent to everything rather than 100.

B. Will wait for input on the other immortal heroes. Though machaka is fine as is.

2. Arcoscephale-will get a magical tusk attack. When he has 2 shields now his only attack is a "useless kick." Arcos. will also be able to make at 1 per turn a decent foot soldier to mix with elephants for morale. This is thematic with his abilty to train soldiers as a great general.

3. Atlantis Epic Hero-Silver Orangs will be a rare dominion summon, and Epic Hero can make 1 per turn. Presently in strong dominion he gets 5 per turn which was not intended.

Atlantis Epic Hero will also lose his 2 death gems per turn and his ability to increase dominion.

Silver Orang's morale will be lowered to 12.

4. Black Phoenix-really has no thematic blood ties, so it is not thematic for him to produce blood slaves or blood summons. I may do away with the blood slaves, and have him summon comparable fire creatures.

5. Pythium's Angel will get an increase dominion ability, and a rare summon of the small angels of the host.

6. Shinuyama's Epic hero's mr is being reduced. Though monk's are traditionally immune to mind control spells, they should not be immune to other mr negates spells that are not mind control spells.

7. Agartha's Epic Hero needed a combat boost, but the weapon Dr. P gave him heals a bit too much. Will have to consult with Dr.p to see if we can tone it down just a tad.

[Agema]

I'm going to be away from the 23-30th March.

I'm so close to defeat now that if by some chance Eriu hasn't polished me off by then, Man may as well be transferred to AI, as there's no point getting a sub.

[Xietor]

Thank you for playing Agema. You and Beowulf have proved to be very hard to finish off for Eriu.

Sieger sent me a pm-too late to delay host-that he has worked over 24 hours straight due to flu hitting his co employees, and said he will not be able to finish the game.

MA Ermor's position is viable, especially with some diplomacy. So I will find a sub for Ermor.

I have pms in to 3 players. Anyone that knows of a sub, let me know. It does require endgame experience. Ermor will not be turned over to a new player. If all else fails I will beg llamabeast to take them over.

[Xietor]

Dr. P took a peek at Ermor, and confirmed they are a viable race, though with some problems. He sent in a turn pending my finding a permanent sub(thanks a ton Dr. P).

One has been found: AdmiralZhao.

Good Luck Zhao!

I have offered Zhao extra time if it is needed to get in his 1st turn.

[LoloMo]

Heya Zhao! You gave us a severe beating in Evermore, hope you don't do the same here! haha

[AdmiralZhao]

No, it doesn't look like I will. I think the most I am going to be able to do is smash the Atlantian empire into the mud. I would ask that my neighbors not attack while I go about this task, or that they help by dumping their garbage and industrial by-products into the ocean. If you lack an ocean border, please consider throwing waste into the nearest river that feeds into the ocean.

[Xietor]

Way to make a great 1st impression AdmiralZhao! I like your global.

[shard]

I'd like to request a 24h extension while I prepare Zeldor for his grand entrance as the new Keeper of Atlantis ( = substitute) while the old guy is incapacipated ( = on an overseas trip)

[Xietor]

Done.

I changed Atlantis email address so Zeldor has the next turn.
He also was sent the present turn so he can look at everything.


Good luck Zeldor. Welcome back to EH II.

[Zeldor]

Oh man, thhat looks scary. I see that many things have changed. And Caelum so big? :|

[Xietor]

Caelum just finished a big war. He is big, but he has not cast any globals that focused the world's attention squarely on him.

[Zeldor]

I see that shard made some tactical mistakes in the past that may be hard to repair. But I will try my best, he has my old land after all http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

[Xietor]

EH II begins year 6.

Power Ratings:

Most provinces
1. Caelum(by a lot)
2. Atlantis
3. Arcoscephale

Most capitals:

1. Caelum 4
2. Atlantis 4
3. Eriu 2(soon 3 with tien chi)
4. Marignon 2(soon 3 with bandar log)
5. Arcoscephale 2

Most Gems

1. Atlantis(by a large margin)
2. Caelum
3. Arcoscephale

Forts

Atlantis(by a good bit)
Caelum(has twice as many as anyone except Atlantis).


Income

Atlantis
Caelum
Arcoscephale

Research

Atlantis(by a huge margin).

Subjective Power scores:

1. caelum(not at war with anyone and building up).
2. Atlantis(at war with 4 races)
3-6 Ermor, Eriu, Arcoscephale, and marignon in no particular order.

7. Abysia

8-10 Man, Tien Chi, Pythium-hanging on for dear life.

[Zeldor]

Atlantis is so overrated. Anyone wants to exchange? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[AdmiralZhao]

I'll trade you. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Also, could you people stop taking my global slots? I need those to get a decent gem income.

[Zeldor]

You should be dead for 20 turns or more http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif I was really surprised that Atlantis did not destroy Ermor fast, with geography like that etc. Though he was doing some strange things in the north.

[Xietor]

Well there are 5 globals up now, and only Arcoscephale's global helps all nations. Every race has less disease, old age, and more income resulting from well of misery. And my benefit is small, gems with limited use in the endgame where astral/fire spells make it unwise to invest in undead troops.

So if anyone is looking to dispel something, you cut off your nose to spite your face to remove well of misery that benefits your race as much as mine.

[Zeldor]

But why do you really need both Chalice and Tartarian factory?

[Xietor]

Tartarian factory? I have 2 tartarians. Atlantis was making tartarians many turns before i even hit conj 9 on prov 228. Lord only knows how many tartarians Atlantis has-though you have lost at least 3 in combat. And since you have the dark sceptre, only my pretender can make them.

As to the chalice, it is one of the very few constr 8 artifacts that Shard left. I guess with Gift of Health up, he saw no need to buy the chalice. But he certainly could have as he beat me to constr 8 by several turns(and he had the forge up).

But are faulting me for forging it when it is available, or your predecessor for not forging it?

[Zeldor]

I was just making a guess as I had no idea who has it http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

But yeah, I can fault shard for many things. IF he really could forge Chalice and didn't do it then hmm... well, he could even forge it and sell to someone or just keep away from someone.

It is strange that Atlantis is first in research, his RP count is not great for that stage of game.

[Xietor]

Oh, it is no secret who has it. I have already told most players I had it so they would not assume Atlantis had it.

It will be interesting to see who casts GOH next, and what, if any, spell it overwrites.

[Xietor]

Interesting. A slot mysteriously appeared for another global.

I have a strong hunch that will not be the case for long. Though Arcoscephale has too few gems to cast any globals for itself(: Well except for d gems, and most the globals I can cast with those will result in world war. With me being solo
in the affair.

[Zeldor]

Ha! Maybe I will cast Arcane Nexus and see how much people love me http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Xietor]

Go ahead. cast it. It will be a huge waste of gems.

read kitchen sink mod description on page one of the thread.

It will remove your arcane nexus, bot, utterdark, and astral corruption spells. You can cast them all you want-but they will not take effect.

[Zeldor]

Oh, right http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif

[Agema]

This is my last turn as I'm off on holiday, so remember to switch the last few tatters of my empire to AI for turn 63.

It's been good fun, thanks everyone.

[Xietor]

Thanks for playing and sticking it out to the bitter end.

Beowulf will live on to honor Man as a Captain of the Royal Guard. For those too lazy to check the Hall of Fame from time to time, Beowulf eluded the Eriu forces and entered the realm of Arcoscephale seeking Asylum.(you get a gold star if you can figure out how it was done Baalz).

The peaceful Astrologers, having taken in refugees from Bandar Log, could hardly refuse the Noble Beowulf.

[Xietor]

Is this Sunday Easter? If so, I can postpone host until Monday if anyone needs some time off for the holiday.

[Zeldor]

No Easter in China http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif so no need for me http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif

[Xietor]

From Zeldor:
Could you postpone hosting for the game? Internet went down in the dormitory and they are a bit lazy here and I don't think they will repair it before monday. I am in cafe but I rather have no chance to make turn here [I can look for smth better on Monday if they do not repair Internet]. Thanks:)

I will delay the game until Monday morning because it is Easter Sunday. Requests for delays will be ignored without explanation if they are not posted on the game thread.

However, it is a 24 hour delay. It is not a delay until your dorm gets it internet fixed.

[Zeldor]

Ok, they repaired it, I will submit turn today.

[Xietor]

Turn will be due as scheduled then. I removed the bonus 24 hours from the host.

[Tichy]

Me and my three provinces, two under siege, just went AI.

Yours,
The Late Mr. Pennies

[Baalz]

GG man, you sure made me pay for those territories! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Zeldor]

Maybe let's just declare game finished with what lead Arco has and let's start EH 3?

Xietor:

You want to make 100 Tartarians for a group photo before new patch comes out? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

[Xietor]

Arcos, is at best in 3rd place, and likely 5th.

Eriu even has 3 capitals now. Atlantis has the most research, gems, elemental royalty, tartarians, constr 8 artifacts, etc.

I think Shard would kill you if he came back from his trip and his sub had declared the 5th place player the winner. lol.

[Xietor]

Tichy,

Thanks for playing. Hopefully you have some thoughts on Tien Chi's Epic hero. Likely not so much on Eriu's Epic hero as baalz lost him to indies(:

BTW Baaltz, Cathbad had some fairly wicked dominion summons had he survived.

[Zeldor]

How long are you trying to sell that 'fear evil Atlantis' story to people? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif I must say it worked great, but against some weaker players, that were quite easy to manipulate.

You have at least 3x more tartarians than Atlantis does. And I wouldn't be surprised if it was 10x more. You have huge squads of mind hunters, soul slayers etc.

Atlantis lead in research won't matter in couple turns anyway. And we all know how huge quality difference is between mages of Arco and Atlantis or Caelum. There are simply weaker and stronger nations in that game.

[Tichy]

Baalz,

Thanks for the compliment. Declaring war on you was the only decision I could have made at the point in the game when I made it -- No other avenue of expansion except for through a friendly nation -- but it was the worst decision I could have made. Like declaring war against a brick wall. You throw yourself at it and it hurts. Throw yourself at it hard enough and it falls on you. Then you're underneath a brick wall, which is not nearly as fun as it sounds.

Xietor,
Thanks for inviting me. I liked Li Bo, though I was a bit timid with him. No armor slot made it difficult for me to think of him as a fighter against anything really tough, but he's a good raider stopper if he gets a good first shot -- and since he's immortal, bad luck isn't nearly as costly. In a larger battle I put reinvig. and penetration items on him, put him near the back and had him throw spells. Even there, though, I was really leery of taking him out of dominion because he's so fragile.

[Tichy]

In conclusion: When EHIII rolls around, I think I'll play a nation that occasionally gets mages with 3 in something useful.

[Baalz]

Heh, I figure I'll put my money where my mouth is and give Ulm a turn. Maybe I'll even, you know, try keeping my hero alive.

[Xietor]

Arcos is trading for air and nature gems.

[Xietor]

Has anyone noticed the all the jockeying over the fire gem globals? And now Purgatory up? Why do my undead troops feel unwanted attention?

[Xietor]

Did I also say it is really annoying to see Lolomo around for yet another endgame(: Take that as a compliment.

Now someone kill him! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

[Zeldor]

NAh, maybe let's kill you instead? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Oh, and you are making some kind of zoo in you capitol or wolf-breeding grounds? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Xietor]

My capital will never fall! Ten Thousand Wolves guard its Gates. Elephants are also seen in abundance. A Pride of Lions,
some bears, and a few other animals make my Capital the envy of the Free World.

BTW, if you visited my Capital, there is a charge to go to the Zoo. We will expect 10 s gems next turn.

[Baalz]

Zeldor said:
NAh, maybe let's kill you instead? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Oh, and you are making some kind of zoo in you capitol or wolf-breeding grounds? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif



I second the nomination that Arco is the next recipient of dogpile of the world. At this rate everybody will get a turn....

[Xietor]

Is that a hostile act sufficient to void a NAP? heh.

Calling for a dog pile on a peace loving nation with a zoo?

[LoloMo]

shhhh... Caelum is trying to hunker down and keep quiet and unnoticed. Move along now, nothing to see here.

[Xietor]

Epic Heroes II is now at turn 70. Of the 18 starting races,only eight Nations remain, and only 6 are true contenders.

1. Atlantis(Shard/Zeldor)3 capitals, but clams galore, most gem income, most artifacts, water race, 2 globals
2. Caelum(Lolomo)4 capital quiet, and building up.....
3. Eriu(Baalz)(3 capitals)
4. Marignon(Sir_Dr_D(3 capitals, global)
5. Arcoscephale(Xietor) 3 capitals, global)
6. Ermor(Sieger, AdmiralZhao)most powerful MA race, most powerful Epic Hero, 1 global), AdmiralZhao handicapped a bit in that he took over from a player that had many stale turns).

7. Abysia(Valerius)(gets the true grit award. His tenacity at fighting Eriu is much admired. Unlike Man and Tien Chi,
Eriu has not been able to nail the coffin lid shut on Abysia).

8. Pythium(Zoshan)-few provinces, but not at war with anyone. Maybe he will outlast all but the winner?

[Zeldor]

Xietor:

That Epic Hero of Ermor is not undead now. IT is totally dead http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[AdmiralZhao]

Yeah, I'm not sure what I was thinking there. I saw the Murdering Winters coming, but didn't quite put it together that your armies would attack after the blizzards came through. Poor little death-angel.

Also, I would like to amend Xietor's list. Ermor is most decidedly not a true contender. All we can really hope for at this point is to soak up some more of Atlantis's water gems.

[Xietor]

Hostilities between ancient enemies Eriu and Arcoscephale have resumed. Both nations own 3 capitals, and Eriu has many forts.

Other Nations are advised to watch only.

While Eriu lost some provinces on turn 1, he lost few armies and no castles. It was Arcoscephale's inability to capture a single castle from Eriu in the last war, and great losses of troops in the trying, that forced us to make a peace.

[Baalz]

Then again, that was before tartarians, of which I have none. I'll make you bleed I hope, but I'll be mighty surprised if I can make any real dent in you.

[Zeldor]

Baalz, don't tell me you can't deal with a group of 30-40 tartarians http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Baalz]

With weak death, astral and fire mages? Outlook, not so good...

[Zeldor]

Let's postpone the turn till new patch arrives, that would make things more interesting http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Xietor]

I had banelords in the last war-they are almost as good.

I think I used 5 gor tartarians against Eriu. That is hardly a factory.

[Zeldor]

My Troll King decided to retreat from assassination attempt that he would easily win. So frustrating :/ And in next one my mage enslave minded ashen angel but I didn't get him http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif

[Xietor]

you never get to keep ashen angels or horrors. They always disappear after combat.

Baalz blitzed me pretty hard last turn, taking many provinces, killing troops, priests, mages, burning temples.

But we are not ready to throw in the towel just yet.

[Zeldor]

You should really work more on your propaganda skills http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif My men tell a bit different things.

[Xietor]

Let me be precise then. Eriu took 13 provinces, all of them heavily defended with 20-25 pd and at least 1 mage. some had 5 mages.

Nerf Eriu!

[Zeldor]

Maybe we should all help Eriu then? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Baalz]

lol

[Xietor]

The Clash of the Titans. heh.

33 battles last turn. after I watched about 6 I gave up and decided not to watch anything but "key" ones.

Had I watched them all, that would have taken about 2 hours in and of itself. Though Arcoscephale is a bit overwhelmed by the sheer number of Eriu attacks, our generals have decided to gamely fight on.

[Zeldor]

Could I get some extension? At least 3-5 hours? 12-24 would be best http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif I had no electricity for some time and no Internet later and now quite narrow gap to do turn well.

[Xietor]

I just woke up 730 am here. It is near host time. I will delay it if i can.

It looks as if i missed it by 15 minutes(: What I will do is delay the host time by 6 hours so it will not host when I am asleep. That should help me catch delay requests from players not living in the US.

[Zeldor]

I managed to make some not so bad orders http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif [didn't check results yet]

P.S. Shard should be already back, hmm...

[Baalz]

Well, the last kitchen sink has sailed over the wall and the nation of Eriu will almost certainly have nothing of note left after the next turn. GG everybody, without exception every one of you guys I invaded were extremely tenacious and just refused to die when (I felt http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif ) you really should have! Should be an interesting finish as I wouldn't put much money on either of the three leaders at this point, too close to call, but I wouldn't let Arco sit on my lands unmolested too long if I were you. Not going AI yet as I want my last set of orders executed, but plan to next turn.

[Xietor]

Good game Baalz!

Nice communion work btw. I feared that would happen and teleported in reinforcements or you likely would have won that battle.

You were/are very tenacious in your own right, and have bled me pretty bad. And I am sure there is more to come(:

As to the winner, I would not put any money on me either, as Caelum was allowed to sit and build up too long, and Atlantis has unlimited gem income by now.

With Lolomo's endgame expertise, I would give him the nod over Atlantis. In the Big Game I had a hard time figuring out what Lolomo was doing to me, much less stop it. Like the Big Game he has had eons of time to build up; but unlike the Big Game, he has had 4 capitals instead of one to augment his clams.

But Eriu is not done, you have your capital and other castles, and still have numerous thugs, plus the angels you persuaded Pythium or Marignon to give you(:

No one has given me any Angels(:

[Baalz]

Lol, nope, those angels were not given, they joined in the attack when you did and soaked up some of my anti-tartarian charming.

Meh, my capital is practically deserted and you've killed 2/3rds of my raiders while I have no unseiged castles to get more. After this turn's battles I really don't expect to have anything worthwhile to captain.

[Zeldor]

Baalz:

If Shard does not get back you can take over Atlantis and see how extremely wrong you were when writing that it is good nation in your guide http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif I could use word pathetic instead when it comes to fighting with cold-immune undead.

[Xietor]

My tartarians are immune to charm, as they are undead. You may want to try enslave mind next time, or control undead.

[Baalz]

I'm pretty sure (though could be wrong) that undead are charmable so long as they're not mindless. I know for 100% sure that I've charmed Tartarians before.

[Xietor]

How would one go about charming something that is already dead? They have no flesh, sex drive, or urge to reproduce?

[Baalz]

Charm != seduction. Being a magical persuasion I imagine it would effect the areas of the mind susceptible to any bargaining or persuasion, convincing the victim they *want* to work for you based on whatever motivation they have.

[LoloMo]

Caelum have no units that can make any gem producing items. Arco is definitely the nation in the lead right now by a long margin.