Fallacy - Middle Era (Started!)

[AlgaeNymph]

Lingchih said:
Well, don't everyone thank me and Gandalf at once. Geez, the late game ennui in this game is abhorrent.

Hm? Oh, sorry, fell asleep there.

Well...I don't have any food, but here a smiley for each of you. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/smile.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/smile.gif

[Lingchih]

Hadrian_II said:
I cant connect to the new server, is there some problem?



Hmm. I just connected a little while ago. Please check your settings.

[Xietor]

I am on vacation and got a weak wireless signal and sent in a turn. It seems others have not.

Gandalf is nice to host the game, though i am not sure why we would switch at this late point, unless Velusion was closing down for good.

In any event, I would give people extra time to get their turns in on the new server. Had I not hit an area with wireless service, poor though it is, I would have staled as I decided to not get a sub for fallacy since it is late game and it would have taken a sub hours to decipher everything.

Though a stale or 2 would not hurt me significantly at this point. Well, this is a family holiday, and there are hungry people waiting to be fed.

I will only add that i was the "chef" at the family 4th July Barbecue and 5 generations of my family were present. And my trials and tribulations were the stuff of slaptick comedy.

[DrPraetorious]

I can't connect either, and haven't been able to for some time.

But given my current status, it would not be outrageous just to set me to AI.

[Lingchih]

Yes Velusion is done hosting for good. That is why the change was made. Here is his email.

From Velusion:
> The server that it was running on has crashed... I don't have any incentive
> to invest anymore time or money into getting it fixed - however I do have
> copies of the games still running (I can access the server but it won't stay
> up longer than about 5 minutes). I've attached them here... hopefully
> someone else can host them for ya.

It tried to get the word out, posting about it here and even sending PMs to all remaining players. I would have sent a PM to your sub, Xietor, but I could not find out who that is.

[Lingchih]

Lingchih said:
Ok, the game is back up and running on Gandalf's server. The new address is:

game.dom3minions.com
port: 10375

It is set on 72 hour host, with 72 hours till the next hosting.

This game should be considered a test for the next few turns, until everyone is satisfied that it is playing correctly. Gandalf will also be setting up a status page for it in the next few days.



Just re-posting this for those that did not see it. When I logged in last night, it looked like over half the remaining players had done their turn, and logging into gandalf's server has so far not been a problem for me.

[DrPraetorious]

I can't connect on that address either; just hangs.

dom3minions.com also doesn't answer pings or traceroutes from where I am, not sure what that means though. DNS works for it, anyway.

[Lingchih]

Hmm. I'll PM Gandalf and see if he can help you. I can still log in fine. Just did my turn, in fact.

[Lingchih]

I can ping and traceroute

game.dom3minions.com

as well. It shows up normally.

I'm trying my best to keep you in the game DrP. I sure don't want that long Caelum border with me to suddenly go AI http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Hadrian_II]

Lingchih said:
game.dom3minions.com




ah, game is part of the url (doh)

[DrPraetorious]

I made the same mistake as Hadrian http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif.

I can connect now.

[Lingchih]

Well, it seems that Agartha has beaten back the Ermorian forces sent into her homelands. But we did gain a most precious victory. We broke a pinkie finger off of the Sacred Statue Helena. It is believed that Helena can never attain her full power without this finger. It is even now being spirited back to Ermor.

[Lingchih]

Turn is up, btw. Guess this will have to do, since we have no status page or email notification.

[lebarjack]

Thanks to gandalf for the hosting.
A mail notification would be great, for sure.

[cupido2]

Agartha the Glorious proudly announces the annihilation of the Ermorian army that had the honor to see Helena in her full splendor. While the Ermorian troops stood flabbergasted by her glory a toe nail of the right foot's little toe (not a whole finger like Ermorian propaganda claims. Helena is now limp.) broke off. This sacrilege was brutally avenged by the Agarthian Really Invincible Army of Real Invinciblity. Ermor is beaten. Eriu and the underground resistance will be next.

[Gandalf Parker]

OK Im dropping in here but dont come to expect it please. I dont read all the threads for all the games on my servers.
YES notifications, backups, just about anything is available. Please dont post emails here. PM them to me.

YES: Email notification when the game processes a turn

YES: email attachment of your turn file

YES: SMS (text message) to your cell phone when the turn processes

YES: Webpage updated when the turn processes.

YES: browser download of turn files

POSSIBLE: browser upload of turn files

POSSIBLE: Instant Message when the turn processes

POSSIBLE: FAX when a turn processes.

POSSIBLE: Having your computer play a wav file to literally TELL you when the turn has processed.

POSSIBLE: Having your computer receive the turn file, copy it to the dominions directory, play a wav to notify you that the turn is available, then start dominions going directly into that game.

Any other possibility I dindt think of? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

[Lingchih]

I've sent Gandalf a PM requesting email notification, and also the url of the status page. Any of you who wish to be notified by email should PM him your email addresses.

[Xietor]

just post the link to the status page on the thread. no need for Gsandalf to have to send it out 15 times.

[lebarjack]

It seems that I had a stale turn :/
I was sur I uploaded it though...
I will have hard time to understand what happened to my king of earth.

I have found out where he was and I am happy he was not killed http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[Lingchih]

Did you upload to the correct server lebarjack? You know we have changed servers? The new one is listed a bit farther up in the post.

Top of thread page 34 is the new hosting info.

[Xietor]

I am back from my vacation!

Lebarjack, your king of the earth is in the same province he was the turn before according to the Pythium Scouts. Not sure what you thought had happened to him?

You can always check to see if you turn has been sent in by logging into the server. The server shows who has and who has not sent in their turns.

Since Shinuyama was the one wanting 72 hours hosting, is there anyone else that wants to go back to 48 to get this game finished? I have never seen so many capable nations left at this late stage.

This game could go on for a long time.

[cupido2]

I vote for 24 turns but 48 is o.k. for me.

[lebarjack]

I vote for 96h

[Gandalf Parker]

Ive been asked to post the links..
http://game.dom3minions.com/bin/Fallacy_chk.cgi
will show the turn, time till hosting, and who has turn files to pick up.

http://game.dom3minions.com/games/Fallacy/
has the scoreboard file and the stats file

[Lingchih]

Thanks Gandalf.

I would also like to go back to 48 hour to try and get this game finished before the New Year.

[Xietor]

Unless lebarjack is kidding(and he must be as there is no way we would go to a 96 hour host lol), then i do not see any objections.

Since velusion said the game would move to a 72 hour host in the endgame phase, however, I do think if there is a single objection we have to remain at 72. It is not a democracy-we have to go by the rules as set forth originally unless all the players left agree to amend them.

But I would like a clarification from lebarjack before we return to 48 to make sure he agrees.

[lebarjack]

I really wish we stay at least to a 72 hours schedule. I might be able to play every 48 hours, sometimes... I'm playing in 4 games which have all reached endgame and that take me a lot of time. Plus, I have regularly other things to do (work, sleep, eat http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif )

[Lingchih]

72 Hours it is then. Oh well. I guess we will finish it someday, or just give up.

[Xietor]

My advice is to limit yourself to no more than 2 mp games. 4 is way too many. You should really find a sub for at least one for your own sanity.

Four games, all in the endgame, cannot be much fun. And dominions is a game, and games should be fun. Regrettably, endgames tend to be work at times. And 4 endgames is going to sap your drive to play dominions.

At one time I had a 3 mp limit, but then i hit a point where i had 3 in the endgame phase, and swore never again to play 3 at one time.

[lebarjack]

I wasn't supposed to survive so late in all the four games http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

[Xietor]

I will do my best to make your stay in Fallacy a short one going forward. For your own good of course! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

But if you keep stealing my globals, it will take me longer(:

[Xietor]

And so ends the long and brutal war between Pythium and Shinuyama, as the last vestiges of the Great Shinuyama Empire
have finally been conquered.

I would like to publicly state that Reay was a fierce opponent, and he showed great skill and knowledge of Dom III.
He certainly could not have done more with Shinuyama then he did.

Good Game Reay! Hopefully we can be on the same side of a war in a future game.

[Reay]

Yeah it was a fun war I had with Pythium and Pangaea. Cheers to Hadrian and Xietor. Xietor played well and taught me a few lessons about the end game.

See you in future games http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif.

[Hadrian_II]

Without Pythiums help, you would have got me.

It seems at the end, most parts of jotunheim belong now to pythium.

[Gandalf Parker]

As I understand it, two failures to do a turn mean being set AI?
Ctis and Jotunheim?

[Xietor]

Velusion set out the rules in the 1st post: 2 stales in a row=AI.

At this point in the game, turn 87, I am ready for it to end, so the more set to ai the merrier. While I am certainly willing to fight to the bitter end, I do not want to be delayed by players staling either.

While I have found both Xox and Dryundra(jotunheim and Ctis) personable players, it is considered common courtesy to set yourself to ai when you are finished playing. Otherwise the game admin. has to do it himself.

If you do not want to be set to ai-do your turns. 72 hours is plenty long enough. especially times 2.

[cupido2]

C'tis AI? omg

[Xietor]

Ctis was attacked by Man on Ai, So I think that is who they would be attack-at least at the start.

Think of it as more chaff for Helena to conquer!

[AlgaeNymph]

Wait, what? I've been set to AI?

Okay, I'm putting this and Figment up for substitutes. If I don't get "turn due in six hours" notices, I often stale, and miss out on fun stuff, and get http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/mad.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/mad.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/mad.gif!

*deep breath*

Don't worry, I'm not mad at any of you. Rollbacks would be nice, but I suspect that that's too much to ask.

[Xietor]

A rollback? That should likely never happen in a mp game involving several people. Traps have been laid and sprung. And you cannot lay the same trap twice, since a card thrown on the table cannot be picked back up.

Once, in Alpaca, in a decision i strongly disagreed with, there was a very serious replay bug event involving llamabeast, the game host and another race(not me). Because Llamabeast benefited greatly from the battle replay bug, he decided to rollback the turn. He was being a nice guy-or so he thought.

Regrettably, there were several other players in the game also at war, and with the advantage of a do over, the losers of those battles were able to rework their battle plans.

In any event, that is the only rollback of which i am aware, and it was due to a major bug.

I have no objection to a sub being found for Ctis, as long as it does not delay the game. Jotunheim's position is hopeless and he should just be set to ai.

However, i do not mind dryunda playing ctis. just do your turns please.

[Lingchih]

DryaUnda said:
Wait, what? I've been set to AI?

Okay, I'm putting this and Figment up for substitutes. If I don't get "turn due in six hours" notices, I often stale, and miss out on fun stuff, and get http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/mad.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/mad.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/mad.gif!

*deep breath*

Don't worry, I'm not mad at any of you. Rollbacks would be nice, but I suspect that that's too much to ask.



We have never had "turn due in xx hours" notices in this game, even when Velusion was hosting. There is a status page you can check, if you don't feel like logging in to see how much time is left.

[Gandalf Parker]

This is the games webdir
http://game.dom3minions.com/games/Fallacy
and this is the games stat file
http://game.dom3minions.com/games/Fallacy/stats.txt

Statistics for game 'Fallacy' turn -1

Ermor played this turn
Pythium played this turn
Man is computer controlled
Agartha played this turn
Caelum played this turn
C'tis didn't play this turn
Pangaea played this turn
Jotunheim didn't play this turn
Atlantis played this turn
R'lyeh played this turn
Eriu played this turn

Man is set to AI. Ctis and Jotunheim say they didnt play this turn. That means that they are still set to active players but didnt send a turn file.

Im asking SHOULD they be turned to AI?
(if they still want to play then thats fine)

[Lingchih]

Jotunheim should be set to AI. Since C'tis is here now, I would say no, leave C'tis player controlled, as long as he will do his turns. Next time he stales two times in a row he is out.

[AlgaeNymph]

Xietor said:
A rollback? That should likely never happen in a mp game involving several people. Traps have been laid and sprung. And you cannot lay the same trap twice, since a card thrown on the table cannot be picked back up.

Can't argue with that, except facetiously.

[cupido2]

As C'tis is Agartha the Benevolent's vassal, it is Helena's choice wether the C'tis chieftain should be beheaded or not. C'tis was loyal throughout the wars, so Helena decided to let him live, but commands him to give his orders in time.

[Xietor]

I have no objection to Ctis being given a 2nd chance. But if Ctis stales 2 turns consecutively again, there should be no discussion about it.

Jotunheim has 2 provinces, no capitol or pretender, and it will be ridiculous to look for a sub for a race that will be dead in 2-3 turns.

[Gandalf Parker]

Actually that can be the best time to look for a sub.
Someone who hasnt tried MP games can get a taste of it without worrying about how well they will show since they can either die off (as expected) or do something surprising.

[Xietor]

Please set Jotunheim to ai. there is nothing left for for a sub to play. And While I will bend the rules for Ctis, who has a decent position, I will not for Jotunheim.

But if you want to do their turns for them gandalf, I have no objections. Then you can see for yourself what they have and what they are up against.

[Gandalf Parker]

OK by me for setting him AI.
Im waiting for a response from Velusian providing the master password.

[Xietor]

Well that could be a huge problem!

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/smirk.gif

Let me message Xox and see if we can get him to set himself to AI.

[Lingchih]

I sent an email to Velusion, asking him to send the master password to Gandalf. Hopefully he gets it and responds.

[AlgaeNymph]

I got a bite! Konming has volunteered for C'tis.

[Gandalf Parker]

OK Velusion sent me the password and Jotunheim is now AI

[Lingchih]

DryaUnda said:
I got a bite! Konming has volunteered for C'tis.



I thought the original C'tis player was wanting to take them back over a little while back?

[Xietor]

It does not matter who the sub is as long as he does turns! /welcome aboard!

[konming]

The new humble chieftain of C'tis sends his greeting to all lords of nations. There is just one small problem, the server will not allow me to download map; the original link as well as the mediafire one is dead. If someone could kindly post the map here, it would be greatly appreciated.

[Lingchih]

Here you go:

[Lingchih]

And welcome, konming. You have vast forces at your disposal. Probably the best in the game at this point. Don't squander them.

[konming]

Thanks a lot Lingchih.

[cupido2]

Hail konming, new leader of the noble lizards of C'tis. Don't forget, that you are Agartha the Great's vassal 1st class. You are the only realm that is allowed to hold 15 earth gems. Praise Helena for that noble gift.

[Xietor]

i need a copy of the fallacy map with the map files, as i plan to use it in the future. Anyone have a copy of that that does not mind posting a link?

[Hadrian_II]

Xietor said:
i need a copy of the fallacy map with the map files, as i plan to use it in the future. Anyone have a copy of that that does not mind posting a link?



I attached the map file, but you should have it too, so i might not get your request.

[Xietor]

there are 2 files for every map. the picture, or rga file, which is all you need to play the game(like what i gave everyone in Kingmaker). Then there is the text(called map file) that you need to start new games on that map, and to edit the map.

Your download has the map file. Thanks Hadrian.

[Xietor]

That sound you heard was the 3rd of my globals to come crashing down( Why do I get the distinct impression that shin and jotunheim gave their items and gems to the ryleh?

Is it not a Dominions' tradition to give your stuff to the race that conquers you? Either that or the Ryleh has so many clams that it just make 150 s gems a turn. heh.


http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

[Lingchih]

How did your GoH go down? No one overcast it.

That said, a global spot is open. Ahh, the possibilities!

[Xietor]

It is called a dispel. Doubtful anyone had 250 nature gems lying around, but with clams, i guess throwing that many gems into a dispel is not that painful.

Heh.

[Lingchih]

Ahh yes, dispel. I had forgotten about that, since no one has used it in this game until this point. I think R'lyeh is quite good at that though.

[Lingchih]

So, this turn I got the "waiting for game info" hanging bug. Anyone else get it? I sure wish someone could find a fix for this. It's easy enough to get around by launching multiple game instances in windowed mode, but still very annoying.

[Lingchih]

And, oh, one last thing. Hello again Agartha. We are back. We loved your lands so much, we could not wait to revisit them again. Hope you don't mind.

[konming]

So what will happen to the many globals that will be casted this turn? The first one goes through and the rest will compete to dispel exsisting globals? Or all will compete for the last position?

[Xietor]

the 1st one cast will go up, and every one cast after that will try to displace an existing global. The order will be randomly determined, so there is no way of knowing who will get the free slot.

[Tichy]

Is the one that goes up in the empty slot dispellable immediately? I.E. is it an "existing global" on the turn it's cast?

[Xietor]

yes. it can be dispelled immediately.

[DrPraetorious]

IIRC, dispel actually targets enchantment *slots*.

So if you cast dispel at the global in slot 4, and it is replaced before your dispel goes off, the new global in slot 4 will be targeted instead.

[Tichy]

Got it. Thanks, guys.

[Lingchih]

And no globals were cast. I guess they will come next turn. Everyone scared to burn those gems, eh?

[konming]

You can praise our lord Helena for that since everyone is too scared to cast earth deep well. BTW, why isn't Helena using wither bones on the evil undead of Ermor?

[Xietor]

It is pointless for me to cast one, as there is either one or more nations that are acting to dispel anything I put up.

[cupido2]

How cheeky of our vassal to question Helena. But we will answer to you: The mighty researchers of Agartha haven't yet researched that awfully advanced spell.

[konming]

Alright, alright. As always, we bow to the great might of Our Lord Helena.

[Lingchih]

Wouldn't work against us anyway. All of our sacred vestals and longdead horsemen wear Anti-Wither Bones Amulets.

[Lingchih]

Is R'lyeh in this game anymore? They were very active several turns ago, but seem to be doing nothing now.

[Xietor]

Statistics for game 'Fallacy' turn -1

Ermor played this turn
Pythium played this turn
Man is computer controlled
Agartha played this turn
Caelum played this turn
C'tis played this turn
Pangaea played this turn
Jotunheim is computer controlled
Atlantis played this turn
R'lyeh played this turn
Eriu played this turn

[konming]

No globals this turn.

[cupido2]

Eat this, Ermor. Agartha the Glorious will come out of this battle victorious! Death to Ermor and the sneaky Eriu!

[Tichy]

Eriu has done no sneaking at all. Just full speed ahead...

But you didn't leave *us* much to eat in our old fort...the horsies are a mite peckish. And the decorating! Our moat is a parking lot of silly statues.

[Lingchih]

cupido2 said:
Eat this, Ermor. Agartha the Glorious will come out of this battle victorious! Death to Ermor and the sneaky Eriu!



Eat what? None of my troops on your cap eat anything at all. True, some of my shadow vestals will occasionally be seen trying to gnaw at a juicy horse steak, probably out of longing memories of when they were alive, but since they are ethereal, they can't really chew anything.

[cupido2]

Don't confuse me with petty facts. Agartha the Glorious will win, that's all that counts.
And I command now my vassal C'tis to attack Ermor and Eriu. Not that Agartha couldn't obliterate them all alone, but C'tis should get some action and honor after all this time.

[Lingchih]

Hmm. Looks to me like Agartha the glorious lost. Well, we had the numbers, and it was a good fight.

BTW, I think another chunk of Helena fell off. My retreating troops picked it up. Some of my more more skeptical commanders are saying it is just a rock, though.

[Lingchih]

Ermor needs nature gems, and lots of them. Name your price. I'm sure we can pay.

[konming]

Yes my master. C'tis commands Eriu to leave Agartha land.

[cupido2]

Bah! Treachery and black magic made Ermor get away from utter and well deserved annihilation! And Agartha the Generous will glady give you a nature gem in exchange of the head of your Pretender and the lands you unrighfully claim to be yours (which means all of your lands).

HA! Now you've got it, Eriu!

[Tichy]

Now I've got what?

[Tichy]

Oh, hello, Mr. C'tis. I didn't see you there. My apologies.

Please define "Agartha land"...I have a feeling anything I vacate would be annexed by Mr. Ermor, who is even more annoyed by Agartha the Always Making Statements than I am.

[cupido2]

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/eek.gif Helena has been offended! What an insolence! What an inpudi- and inpertinence! An utter brash-, brassi-, cheeki-, perki-, sassi- AND sauciness! I'm at a loss of words (if there were no online dictionaries)! Helena the Mild, Helena the Good, Helena the Loved and Much Valued of Agartha the Great, Agartha the Glorious and Agartha the One that Knows All was maligned! *faints*

[konming]

Tichy said:
Oh, hello, Mr. C'tis. I didn't see you there. My apologies.

Please define "Agartha land"...I have a feeling anything I vacate would be annexed by Mr. Ermor, who is even more annoyed by Agartha the Always Making Statements than I am.



While my master has the definative answer for this, I would say anything this side of the straight is natural homeland of my master. As for those ermor thieves, your theft and grave misuse of our knowledge shall be dealt with, sometime.

[Lingchih]

Now, now, check back a few pages Mr. C'tis. Agartha declared war on me, not vice-versa.

[cupido2]

How many times more does Ermor underestimate Helena's forces? How many Tartarians must be put back to where they came from? Only Helena knows the answer.

And lo! and behold! C'tis comes to join the onslaught against the Alliance of Eriu and Ermor!

[Lingchih]

Well, we only send the awful Tartarians over to fight you. We keep the good ones at home for a rainy day. Of course they kill our citizens, burn our temples, and are just generally un-civil, but we chalk that up to being undead gods with lots of nasty wounds. That would put any ex-god into a bad mood.

As for the battle, yeah, it didn't exactly go our way, but I equate that more to losing 3/4 of our troops in the Stygian Paths on the way over. My Lich was quite surprised when he got to the battle, and had a look around. "WTF, I'm supposed to fight with this rabble?" he was reported to say. He decided to leave and go join the siege on Agartha next door.

And, oh, almost forgot. We welcome the mighty Helena to our southern lands. What a surprise! We had no idea she was dropping in. We would prefer she not have dropped in right on top of our temple, but so be it. She has full guest rights. Anything she needs?

[LoloMo]

Heya, I've taken over Pan. We will uphold any deals struck by the previous management, please update me on any such agreements.

Don't mind us, we're just here to watch the fireworks.

[Lingchih]

Sure thing Lolo. Pan had a 100 turn NAP with Ermor.

[Lingchih]

Just joking. We hardly even know where you are. But we had good relations with Pan in the past, and would hope to continue them.

[cupido2]

Pangea is a slave state of Agartha the Almighty. That's all there is to know.

[Xietor]

I just tried to connect with the server to send in my turn, and got "waiting for information." Never could connect.

[Lingchih]

Yeah, that's why this post has had this title for several days now. I started getting the hang last turn.

It's the dreaded "waiting for game info hang" It's quite common on IP servers with the last few versions of the game. Velusion knew how to fix it, but no one else seems to.

Anyway, the work-around is to open the game in a window (-w), leave that hung window open, then open the game again in a second window. You can then log into the game normally. When you get done, close out the hung window.

[Xietor]

can you just email your turn in?

[Xietor]

Gandalf reset the server-it works now.

[Lingchih]

Ermor regrets the swift departure of Helena. We sent a delegation of luminaries, with our finest wines and tasty morsels out to greet her, only to find that she was gone. Ahh, well, she will probably be back soon. We will just have to track her down.

And Hail to our new neighbors of C'tis. True, we do not have a permanent establishment on your border, but we are bivouacked there, so we think a greeting is necessary. We also notice your driving back of Eriu. We have no great problem with that, but we would suggest that you refrain from entering the southern continent.

-The Council of Ermor

[konming]

Well, C'tis hails to Ermor. Though we truly hope that your "establishment" is not "permanent". http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Lingchih]

konming said:
Well, C'tis hails to Ermor. Though we truly hope that your "establishment" is not "permanent". http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif



Well, we guess it depends on how you define "permanent". We define it as how long you can hold a land until you are kicked off of it.

Agartha declared war on us, and with no peace settlement in place, we regard it as our right to take any Agarthan provinces that may fall to us, on either continent.

[cupido2]

Ermor can't stop justifing his unrightful invasion by stating in all his proclamations that Agartha the Mild Mannered declared war. Has Ermor a bad consience? The future god, Helena, will judge over that matter when judgmentday comes.

[Xietor]

Stories will be told of how the valiant few, we shall call them the 300 Pythians, in the last defense of their homes,
starving, and cut off from the rest of the Empire, underwater, besieged, and the walls of their pitiful Kelp Fortress uprooted, had to fight off the hordes of the evil Ryleh Dynasty.

The Ryleh ranks bolstered by numerous enslaved Mother Guards and War Lobsters, and too many mind blasters to count, A few brave Pythians who had ventured under the waves made a go of it, along with some tritons who desired to throw off the yoke of tyranny that the starspawns had thrown over them.

Knowing that it was slavery or death, the tritons fought bravely to the last-none survived. Inspired by them the water trolls took up triton King's fallen Banner and led the way to victory.

Though evil has been defeated this day, the Pythium mages know it must be faced again, because evil armies darken the horizon like locusts.....

Who will face the never-ending cold brought from the dead of space to this fair world if not Pythium? Though darkness has triumphed temporarily over light, having killed many angels, Pythium's mages will continue the struggle-with or without angels at their side.

[cupido2]

HELENA... IS... DEAD! Agartha weeps... little comfort comes from the fact that the Ermorian siegeforce was driven off the gates of Agartha. OH HELENA! We pray for your return! Oh Helena! The Agarthian statuecrafters will gather the pieces and glue them together again! OH HELENA what shall we do without your guidance!

Btw: since about a week or so I have severe graphical glitches. Anyone else?

[Lingchih]

Our condolences on the death of Helena. We told you she could stay in Ermor unharmed.

And oh, we will take that as a declaration of War, C'tis. did you really feel you needed to bring 7 Tartarians? 4 would have probably done the trick. It was only a wraith lord and some cronies in Agartha.

[Xietor]

Is there anyone objecting to going to 48 hour hosting? With server issues this game really needs to end.

I know Ryleh had wanted 72 hours, but he only has 12 provinces now. And he is a good player. So he can do his turn in 48 hours. If not, it is not because of this game's demands on his time. Which is the relevant reference for setting the hosting time. Not time demands that arise from other games or real life.

If those become too burdensome, then a sub or ai is the answer.

[konming]

I would like 72 hour hosting. Late game with 48 hour turn just seems insane to me. BTW the server is up again.

[Lingchih]

48 hour. Let's get it over with. Or all just give up.

We did that in another recent MP game of mine. We all just said, you know, this is going to take forever. Let's just call it a draw.

[Xietor]

Server is back up. And I would like to thank Gandalf for manually resetting the game timer and not adding another 72 hours to the game's length.

Ctis' empire is big enough that it is reasonable to request 72 hours. I am fine with that.

But I did not want the game held up an extra 24 hours a turn for a nation with 12 provinces-no offense to the ryleh who has played an excellent game. And mp games on 330 province maps take months to finish. What has been aggravating for me is the server unreliability issues.
Velusion's server had issues, and his heart had long since left the game.

compounding the problem is every time a tcp/ip server goes down, and is reset, the timer starts anew. Which means the time between turns is not 72 hours, but many times 72 plus 60 plus 40. It just gets ridiculous.

Unless you are gandalf, of course, who is kind enough to manulally reset the timer back to where it should be.

[konming]

Moving to PBEM shall solve most of the problems.

[Lingchih]

konming said:
Moving to PBEM shall solve most of the problems.



Move to PBEM? What are you talking about konming? Gandalf's server is a TCP server.

[Gandalf Parker]

My apologies to all. I am looking into the reboots. If it continues today I will move the game to the main server (dom3minions.com without the game. on the address)

But since you are discussing the host times...
Maybe setting specific days and 2am would work better. That way restarting the game would not change the host time.
--hosttime X Y Host on day X (0=sunday) hour Y (0-23)
Something like Sun, Tues, Thurs?

[Xietor]

I would be fine with 3 set hosting times per week.

Hopefully everyone can manage 3 turns a week. Sunday, tues.
Thursday sounds fine to me.

[Lingchih]

That's a pretty good schedule (Sun, Tue, Thu). I'm on that schedule in another game, and it works well.

[Lingchih]

Umm, it looks now like the game is set on 5 hours til host. I can get my turn in, but I doubt others can.

[Lingchih]

Game has been reset to 72 hour. thanks Gandalf.

[Gandalf Parker]

OK the old server has some reboot problems. I think its heat. So as promised, the Fallacy game is now on the main server. So now you want to connect to dom3minions.com at the same port. Not to game.dom3minions.com

[Lingchih]

What is this? I staled? I did my turn and sent it in two days ago. I respectfully request a rehost.

Ermor

[Lingchih]

Request for rehost is rescinded. I was pissed and needed to vent. This game needs to end, and I don't want to extend it any longer.

If I stale after sending in my turn again though, all hell will break loose.

[Lingchih]

In fact, all hell will break loose this turn. I am tired of all this. Ermor is breaking out on all fronts this turn. Caelum, Pythium, no need to worry. Not attacking you. Eriu, Agartha, C'tis, you should probably worry.

[cupido2]

Agartha the Leaderless couldn't care less about Ermor.

[Gandalf Parker]

The game files are now at
http://www.dom3minions.com/games/Fallacy/
instead of game.dom3minions.com

[cupido2]

REJOICE! HELENA IS BACK! She has returned! Oh, the joy in Agartha and all the provinces of Agartha itself and the vassal nations. Never again shall an Agarthian suffer the pain and agony they felt when Helena was gone. So they gathered all in Agartha, stepped down the long hallways to the tombs and sealed the entrance. Shall the lesser tribes quarrel over provinces, gold, gems and slay each other for no good reason. Agartha has found its peace in Fallacy and so the prophecies of the stone oracles came true.

[Lingchih]

Could someone with the knowledge (Xietor???) please list the nations that are still active in this game, and who are now running them? This would be most helpful for the small amount of diplomacy still going on.

Thanks

[Xietor]

I think all non-ai nations are active.

lolomo-pangaea
dr p-caelum



the rest are the original players except Ctis who you know.

Not many nations left obviously, and Eriu is about to depart. /cry Tichy.

[Gandalf Parker]

Check the http://www.dom3minions.com/games/Fallacy/ directory. The stats files tell who did their turns.

[Lingchih]

AArggh. Eye shields. Damn eye shields.

Oh well, we will still bury you C'tis.

[Xietor]

Good grief Charlie Brown, we are on turn 102.

Agartha is now dead, with Ctis having devoured the last vestiges of Helena's empire. Eriu was carved up between Ctis, Ermor, and Pythium.

Good game both of you. It was fun!

[Xietor]

Also, though the Ryleh fights on, its fearless leader, lebarjack, has finally thrown in the proverbial towel. But he played an excellent game, taking a heavy toll on my forces. Between lebarjack and reay, they have put a fair dent in my forces.

Making the conclusion interesting, and challenging. Good luck in your future games.

[Lingchih]

I (Ermor) am going on a short vacation from Aug 31 to Sept. 5th. Though I hate delays as much as anyone, I need to request one for that time period. Finding a sub for this game has proved impossible. The standard reply is:
"What, you want me to sub for Ermor on turn 105? You're nuts"

Thanks... and sorry

[Xietor]

I have no objection, especially considering that is Labor Day weekend, typically a holiday in the States.

[Lingchih]

Ermor is sad to see the death of Helena and Mr. Pennies. One was an ally, and one was a well-regarded foe. We shall take revenge on C'tis for the death of both of them.

[Gandalf Parker]

Let me know by PM when to switch Fallacy to version 3.20
http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?t=40396

[Xietor]

go ahead and switch to 3.20. i see no reason not to. llamaserver already did. I think all games are played with the understanding that they will use whatever the most current version is.

[Lingchih]

Fallacy is now paused until Sept. 4th, when I return from my vacation. Sorry to everyone who may be eager to get this over with (I know I am).

It will be on 3.20 when we return.

[Lingchih]

I think the game will still host, if everyone does their turn. It just won't host again until I come back. I have done my turn, so if everyone else wants to do theirs, you will at least have something to look at while I am gone.

[Lingchih]

Hey, I'm back, but I find that my PC is totally fried now, and won't even turn on. I'm in the process of putting Dom3 on my Mac and installing all the updates, maps and mods.

Thanks

[Lingchih]

OK. My turn is done. Let's get this thing finished! C'tis, Atlantis, I notice you have still not done a turn. Let's go guys.

I understand Xietor (who I assume is back in New Orleans) may not have power yet, but his turn is done.

[konming]

Actually I wonder if anyone objects to declaring Pythium/Xietor winner? He is now rapidly taking over Caleum and even combined we are not a match for him.

[Lingchih]

I would declare him winner now, if no one objects. But, to be honest, I could maybe beat him. C'tis could maybe beat him. But this game is getting very old. Let's wait til he is back online, and see what he says. He seems to want to keep fighting.

[konming]

If the rest of nations are determined to work together against Pythium, then maybe or maybe not we have a slim chance. But unless that happens, I see no point continuing. Maybe I will just cast armegaddon again and again? :)

[Lingchih]

Who are you playing anyway, konming. I am so out of touch with this game. Are you C'tis?

[konming]

Yes.

[Lingchih]

OK, cool.

Way to hand over those Artifacts C'tis! Keep them coming! Your Tarts keep running away... chickens! How long you going to keep wishing for that Chalice before I stick it down your throat?

(Just trying to liven things up) :)

[konming]

Well, one stupid tart, despite attack order, thought it was better to just stay back to hurl lightening. Otherwise, you can see your attacking force would have been destroyed. Well, it should have been anyway until that sucker also decided to run away, gee, he was way more powerful than the tart he faced.

[Lingchih]

Well, one stupid tart, despite attack order, thought it was better to just stay back to hurl lightening. Otherwise, you can see your attacking force would have been destroyed. Well, it should have been anyway until that sucker also decided to run away, gee, he was way more powerful than the tart he faced.

Yep, he was. Two against one though Holmes. That will win it most every time.

[Lingchih]

Oh, forgot to say. I got everything that Tart you killed dropped. Nice battle.

[konming]

Oh, forgot to say. I got everything that Tart you killed dropped. Nice battle.

Yeah right. You got the helmet, the shield and the weapon? ;)

[Lingchih]

Nope. Just the helmet and the shield. Guess the weapon got destroyed.

Other nations. Some strange weapons is available to be forged. No idea what it is though.

[Lingchih]

I really don't see how you can defeat me konming. It looks extremley in my favor. Still, I will aquiesce if Pythium wants the win.

[konming]

Nope. Just the helmet and the shield. Guess the weapon got destroyed.

Other nations. Some strange weapons is available to be forged. No idea what it is though.

What happened to your two hand weapon (that's an artifact, isn't it?) and helmet? If I read the messages right, you have one commander left with two hand weapon and helmet. If you think you can win, all the good. In fact, if you think you can take Pythium alone, I can even give all my gems and items to you (that includes over 100 clams:))

[konming]

I really don't see how you can defeat me konming. It looks extremley in my favor. Still, I will aquiesce if Pythium wants the win.

You mean in last battle or in the game? One on one, you should look at the gem difference. (that's a major reason I say Pythium is going to win regarless of what we do). For the last battle, stupid or buggy behavior on my tart aside, I did lose.

[Lingchih]

I really don't see how you can defeat me konming. It looks extremley in my favor. Still, I will aquiesce if Pythium wants the win.

You mean in last battle or in the game? One on one, you should look at the gem difference. (that's a major reason I say Pythium is going to win regarless of what we do). For the last battle, stupid or buggy behavior on my tart aside, I did lose.

Gem difference or not, you cannot take me out. You can try.

[Xietor]

Is this game going to host again soon?

I think Gandalf needs to be contacted if we are ready to resume.

[Xietor]

By the way. if Ctis is willing to concede I would prefer to end this game then slog out the next 20 turns. But it is up to him. I am within shouting distance of the winning condition, but it will take me another 20 turns to achieve most likely.

I only play 2 games at a time, and I would love this game to end so i can join another. But obviously with the lead I have I am not going to abandon this effort. I have been here from the start.

[konming]

I concede.

[Lingchih]

You win Xietor. Hallelujah! It's finally over!

[Lingchih]

Well, good thing that game is over. I lost badly on my last turn, including losing my only Seraph, who I stupidly fatigued out before it ever even went into combat.

Congrats to Xietor, who played a very good game. This was officially the longest game I have ever been in, even longer than Perpetuality. And it was an intense grind towards the end. It was hard to even steel myself up to do my turn. But I learned quite a few things, and hopefully it will make be a better player in the end.

Thanks to Velusion, who initiated the game, and thanks to Gandalf, who took it over when Velusion tired of hosting. Thanks to Tichy, who provided endless good reading in the forum, and who gave me some very nice battles in the early end game.

In closing... I will never play Ermor again :)

[Xietor]

Thanks to Velusion and Gandalf for hosting, and to all of the players who stuck it out the whole game with little hope of winning, Atlantis, Eriu, Agartha, Caelum, Pangaea.

And thanks to Lingchih, who played a very very long game very well. And thanks to Konming, for not dragging the game out for another 20 turns.

I can now get Throne of Heroes out(I lack only the Banner) and I can work on this very map. Than we can hopefully see a good MA Game with Throne of Heroes and Kingdom of Avalon mods, on the Fallacy map. I want to tweak the map a bit so you cannot move through mountains, but Velusion made a very good map.

And I am also going to try to get someone to host the game for me so I do not have to play and host the same game.


Thanks again all.
:):):)

[Lingchih]

OK Xietor. Before you ascend your happy throne.

If we had all banded together, we probably could have beaten you. The plans were in the works, when suddenly C'tis decided to bow down.

Yes, et tu brute.