Alexandria - battle for balanced glory [TC wins!]

[FrozenFalcon]

I had two problems against Marignon: first was that my undead armies were kinda.. useless against all those priests. Second thing was the fire 9 bless. With a stable front line, my poison slingers could have actually destroyed your front, spacht (and this actually happened once) but fiery weapons were bit too much to handle, and I got Fire Fend too late. Bottom line is, Marignon has a lot of weapons against C'tis and my playing was long way from perfect. Good war, anyways, I hope that I can take a rematch with you some time, spacht http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Firewalker]

Apologies to all for staling. There are times now and again that I just lose track. My life doesn't 100% all the time resolve around Dom3 (wish it could!). I set it aside at T-12hrs and something comes up and I go to bed having forgotten. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif

Spacht and FF -- my scouts had front seat views of some of those battles. Quite the fireworks display!

[DonCorazon]

When did you stale FW? The turn has not hosted yet as far as I can tell...

[Firewalker]

It was turn 28 (couple ago now already!). Utgard got a little breather that turn -- both his opponents staled at the same time.

[Firewalker]

Amitatman the Terrible, Nagaraja and Prophet of Circe, has announced that the Nagas of Patala have accepted peace with the Utgardian giants, having secured the concession that they begin a more rigorous bathing & hygiene regimen.

It was noted by many observers that the Nagaraja spent most of his time in Utgard either falling into a hibernative sleep due to the cold weather or suffering indigestion from eating ... things that he shouldn't have.

However, the Prophet is now back in the Jewelled City and recovering from the ordeal in the royal hot spring, awaiting the advent of Circe, Goddess of Rivers, Rain, and Fashionable Lateness.

[sansanjuan]

Firewalker said:
.. awaiting the advent of Circe, Goddess of Rivers, Rain, and Fashionable Lateness.



Fashionable lateness... I like that. Sounds a bit like a debutante. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

-SSJ

[Zeldor]

Situation is getting more interesting http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif Three aggressors got a bit stuck on my lands. Pangaea is starting to get some attention on other borders. Almost all Atlantian aggressors have been annihilated and their capitol should get under siege soon. Similar future awaits Agartha, whose armies are barely alive in my territory, infected with diseases and other ugly things. People of Arcoscephale are tough and they can fight even three enemies at once. And win!

[spacht]

That somehow reminded me of the iraqi information minister in 2003 http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

I guess i will just have to focus my Stone spheres on arcoscephalan lands to discern truth from propaganda.

[DonCorazon]

Zeldor = Tariq Aziz?
http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

[quantum_mechani]

DonCorazon said:
Tariq Aziz?


Now there is a good pretender name!

[Omnirizon]

Argathan armies suffered losses while marching across the vast desert between their lands and Arco's.

New methods for extending Argathan reach to these lands have now been developed and are being implemented. The unholy, vile, disgusting nation of Arco better enjoy their feeble victories while they still can.

[spacht]

Zeldor = Tariq Aziz?



I meant this one here:
Muhammad_Saeed_al-Sahhaf (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_Saeed_al-Sahhaf)

[DonCorazon]

TC is looking to trade some of our surplus death / fire gems for water / air / astral gems. PM Minister DC with offers.

[Zeldor]

Cleveland:

What do you need that llamia queens for? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Zeldor]

Oh, and it was really funny to watch that big Agarthan army getting slaughtered by brave Arcoscephalian patriots. Same with Atlantian army http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

I guess it is time to do more sightseeing and visit 2 neighbouring capitols http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif Arcoscephalian armies will bring their own zoo with elephants, so at least there will be something to watch durign sieges http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[cleveland]

Zeldor said:
Cleveland:

What do you need that llamia queens for? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif



For supply. Our glorious troops like a bit of variety in their diets.

Speaking of which, what are you feeding the horses up on that mountain these days? Boiled sticks? Rock soup? How many more months can they last up there? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/carrot.gif

[Zeldor]

I tried feeding them with manikins but it didn't really work. Tasty but some ugly side-effects next month...

[Zeldor]

Lol, what a bunch of cowards. sansanjuan decided that 1:3 is not enough and that 3 need help and broke a NAP without warning and just attacked me. You are really overestimating me http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif


P.S. Cleveland: You are one extremely lucky bastard to get a mage like that from the event http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[cleveland]

Zeldor said:
P.S. Cleveland: You are one extremely lucky bastard to get a mage like that from the event http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif



Your 3 feebleminded Sibyls weren't for naught, though, as you were able to zap both a Priest AND a Black Servant.

You are one extremely unlucky bastard to have all those NAPs broken on you...that is, if those NAPs ever actually existed. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/smile.gif

[sansanjuan]

Edit:
Zeldor- "So I assume that when you have taken 48, 286 is for me?

I will e focusig my research towards mind hunts and I will be able to help you with your enemies after that. Though now I have my small war with Pangaea.

Oh, and do not fear me. I will never attack you first, no matter what situation you will have on other fronts. "
ooc(SSJ)- This is not a NAP...
end edit



There was no NAP. Post the exchange. You rebuffed my offering for peace many turns ago over a squabble over a single province.

Also, Arco signaled that by beating 3 players at once you were were the current "king of the hill" and certainly the one to beat. The giants can read between the lines even though our bathing skills are lacking.
http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif-Utgard

[sansanjuan]

Also Z...


Lol, what a bunch of cowards. sansanjuan decided that 1:3 is not enough and that 3 need help and broke a NAP without warning and just attacked me. You are really overestimating me





I would agree to binding arbitration with llamabeast as the non-biased judge as to whether our thread of many weeks ago constituted a NAP (assuming he would agree).

-SSJ

PS In a week you may be posting another blurb gloating that you are now beating all four of us... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/shock.gif if so I'll tip my hat to you with no venom (but perhaps with some light trash talk...) http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[Zeldor]

Of course we had a NAP and it is very clear from your posts. I am just amazed that you cannot make any reasonable explanation. Nor you do not have guts to just break a NAP like normal player does.

And about that arbitration. What happens if you are found guilty? Surrender? Give back land back + reparation? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[sansanjuan]

I would certainly give back the land immediately. That is the "binding" part http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/eek.gif. If Llamabeast came back and said "sansanjuan.. per the text in this PM thread and according to my experience in D3, you had a NAP with Arco" case closed. That goes for any reparations too. Even "Utgard is now AI". I'm surprised you didn't make a similar arbitration request when you were given gems but did not provide an item...

Your other option is to post our *entire* exchange and let the community decide. That would not be "binding" since unlike Llamabeast the players may have biased opinions. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

Whatever happens... remember, unlike RL we are playing a *game*. Take setbacks like a man. I've given you two options. Present your case without rancor.

-SSJ

[Zeldor]

Contact llamabeast then http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif Sounds like the best solution.

And gems? Well, I just forgot about them then. I would send him additional ones for that delay, but I got his war declaration http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[sansanjuan]

Awaiting his reply... if he accepts I will PM him my password and he can read the post exchanges directly.
-SSJ

Edit: we are still at war in the meantime...

[llamabeast]

Hmm, how bizarre. Well, if you do want me to arbitrate, seems to me the best thing is for Zeldor to send me his password, and point me to the PM where SSJ agreed to the NAP. After all, looking at SSJ's posts won't help - any number of PMs without an agreement don't disprove the existence of one after all.

I'm not sure if you can change passwords on this forum, but you probably can - Zeldor, you should probably change your password before you give it me, and change it back afterwards. Not that you can't trust me, but it's good policy.

[sansanjuan]

llamabeast said:
Hmm, how bizarre. Well, if you do want me to arbitrate, seems to me the best thing is for Zeldor to send me his password, and point me to the PM where SSJ agreed to the NAP. After all, looking at SSJ's posts won't help - any number of PMs without an agreement don't disprove the existence of one after all.

I'm not sure if you can change passwords on this forum, but you probably can - Zeldor, you should probably change your password before you give it me, and change it back afterwards. Not that you can't trust me, but it's good policy.



Just when you thought you saw it all...

Might be nice new feature for Dom4. "Why settle everything by the spells and swords? Dom 4 now boasts Collective Bargaining and Binding Arbitration!"

-SSJ

[hoo]

I think this is brilliant. Confusion in the diplomacy corps! Borders drawn incorrectly! Accidental war breaks out! sounds like something from the 16-18th centuries and the New World.

[Zeldor]

llamabeast:

Heh, maybe try reading more messages, it took me like 10 hours to get into that thread. REfreshing PMs takes half an hour - dom forums work very very very bad last 2 days. It will take me ages to check PMs from sansanjuan and to change password.

sansanjuan:

There was dispute in one stage of talks and that province was controlled all the time by Agartha, not me nor you.

[DonCorazon]

Enough babbling! Trial by battle!!! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/mad.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/stupid.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

[Firewalker]

LOL, exactly DC. If Zeldor accuses one more person in this game of "backstabbing" him, I will declare war on him. But first, I'll sign a NAP with him and then sneak an army over to his area and attack. Sheesh.

[Zeldor]

DonCorazon:

I wish I could send something against him http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[llamabeast]

Okay, I took a look at Zeldor's PMs. Not something I really want to make a habit of doing, but anyway...

So, it seems to me to be a classic case of crossed wires. They seem to have got close to finalising an NAP, having discussed borders and so on, but SSJ never actually finally confirmed the NAP. So I can completely understand why Zeldor thought they had an NAP - many players would think the same - but I think SSJ is correct in stating that the NAP was never signed.

Also, I think the issue was made into a bigger one than was really necessary. If someone breaks an NAP with you (or appears to do so) - well, that's pretty annoying obviously. You might think to yourself that you probably wouldn't trust that player again. But being as such conflicts are almost invariably based on misunderstandings I don't think it's necessary (or pleasant) to do much more than that. Obviously in-character propaganda against the supposed NAP-breaker is fine, but out of character attacks are not so good, I'd say.

Hope everyone thinks my comments here are reasonable.

[Zeldor]

Well, if that is llamabeast opinion only thing I can do is respect it.

So SSJ is not backstabber, just normal coward then http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif Though I give him chance to be a man - back off and fight me when I deal with other invaders [or rather deal with invaders after they manage to kill me].

[Omnirizon]

Llamabeast said:
Obviously in-character propaganda against the supposed NAP-breaker is fine, but out of character attacks are not so good, I'd say.




Zeldor said:
Well, if that is llamabeast opinion only thing I can do is respect it.

So SSJ is not backstabber, just normal coward then http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif Though I give him chance to be a man - back off and fight me when I deal with other invaders [or rather deal with invaders after they manage to kill me].

[cleveland]

turns@llamaserver.net said:

Reminder: Alexandria hosting in 6 hours

This is just a reminder to submit your turn for Pangaea in the game Alexandria, since the turn'll be hosting in around 6 hours.




That was 10 hours ago. Came here to find out why...no explanation.

This is the worst game in Dominions history.

[Zeldor]

Forums are almost dea for me for last couple days so I couldn't write it here.

There was some fuss last time when 2 people staled, here just before hosting 3 people would stale [Atlantis, Agartha and 3rd one, not me] so I decided to postpone the hosting.

[cleveland]

Zeldor said:
Forums are almost dea for me for last couple days so I couldn't write it here.


Really? (http://www.shrapnelcommunity.com/threads/showthreaded.php?Number=596693)


Zeldor said:
...3 people would stale [Atlantis, Agartha and 3rd one, not me]


Why then did you just submit your turn 1hr ago?

[DonCorazon]

At this rate, I may need to coach my future descendants to take over Alexandria for me.

Another game I am in, Figment, started a month later and is at ~ the same turn.

The turns here always seem to go the full time limit and now beyond it. I'd say stick to the deadline and if the delays are the result of a lack of desire, then encourage people to go AI. Here I didn't see anyone ask for an extension which from my POV would seem to indicate indifference to staling or not.

[Firewalker]

Yes, even in my own case, I do not expect the game to be held up if I don't manage to warn of being late. Seems like a line needs to be drawn in that respect.

[hoo]

cleveland said:

This is the worst game in Dominions history.




Yes it is. But mostly b/c I played Bogarus for the sole reason I wanted to get one of their nifty heroes. So I took luck 3 and have waited and waited and waited and I am still waiting. At this rate, Babi Yaga is still just a myth.

[Zeldor]

cleveland:

Like I would have any bussiness in getting my enemies turns in. I would be very happy if you decided to stale next 10 turns http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

DonCorazon:

I think that another game on the same map, Alexander, started even before we did and is on the same turn.
And Urapara is at turn 87 http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Randvek]

cleveland said:
Really?



Damn, Cleveland. Lay off. Yes, the forums were hell to access the last couple of days. Be less of a prick, please.

[Zeldor]

Nah, that is just my internet connection in last days. With some sites working very bad. Now at night all works great, I don't know why and I hope it gets better.

I can also cede my admin rights for that game. It coul be a good idea anyway as I will be eliminated very soon. Any volunteers?

[Randvek]

Zeldor said:
Nah, that is just my internet connection in last days.



It wasn't just you, unfortunately. I couldn't access anything on shrapnel's servers for a while. Luckily, all I missed was a bunch of whining. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif

[Omnirizon]

can we get an extension of just a couple of hours?

its been a long day (conference presentation today, party afterwards), and I just want to go to bed. I will probably be up in time to do my turn and get it in, but just want to make sure. An extension of like 3 hours would give me some breathing room.

[Zeldor]

I will extend by 5.

[Firewalker]

Zeldor, if you are serious about giving up the admin for this game, I would be willing to take it over.

[Zeldor]

Yeah, I am. Some people have some strange issues about that + I will be dead soon, so it would be better that someone still alive would admin the game as I won't pay as much attention.

Anyone is against Firewalker becoming new admin? If not he will be new game admin from tomorrow.

[DonCorazon]

Fine with me.

[DonCorazon]

Btw - i think around than an hour left before next hosting and Atlantis and Arcos have not been received.

[Omnirizon]

.5*.5*.5*.5*.5=.0312

The Dom3 order randomizer likes Pythium better than me.

[Ylvali]

I´m doomed. Besides I lost my enthusiasm for this game. I will go AI now.

[spacht]

Doomed? You're one of the largest nations as far as i can see.

[Zeldor]

Heh, electricity went down yesterday in the evening. Then when it got back there was no Internet. It came back today around 8GMT, I wrote a long post here, clicked 'continue' and Internet went down again, got it back just now.

Post was too long and boring to repeat, but that stale turn costed me like 3-5 normal turns. No chance to win, but quite unfair to give enemies easier life.

spacht:
Nah, his armies are practically annihilated. Even though I was ganged up by 3 stronger enemies it didn't mean I cannot take at least 1 of them down with me http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif Agartha would die too if that greedy Utgard wouldn't appear. Hmm... well, fall down would be huge exaggeration, maybe suffer at least http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

P.S. Giving admin rights to Firewalker.

[hoo]

Can I get a 72 hour turn for the turn from this upcoming Thursday to Saturay. I will be on a 72 hour business trip.

[sansanjuan]

Zeldor said:
Heh, electricity went down yesterday in the evening. Then when it got back there was no Internet. It came back today around 8GMT, I wrote a long post here, clicked 'continue' and Internet went down again, got it back just now.

Post was too long and boring to repeat, but that stale turn costed me like 3-5 normal turns. No chance to win, but quite unfair to give enemies easier life.

spacht:
Nah, his armies are practically annihilated. Even though I was ganged up by 3 stronger enemies it didn't mean I cannot take at least 1 of them down with me http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif Agartha would die too if that greedy Utgard wouldn't appear. Hmm... well, fall down would be huge exaggeration, maybe suffer at least http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

P.S. Giving admin rights to Firewalker.



Z, Sucks that your Inet is flakey. I try to immediately post a suboptimal turn as soon as I get 10 mins. Then, weather permitting, I go back and submit a better one. So far I haven't been burned by a quickhost against the quickie turn submission in either of my games.

-SSJ

[Firewalker]

Hoo:

Okay, I'll set turn 37 to 72 hours when we get there.

[Zeldor]

ssj:

I am 6 weeks here and it never was like that, so I was not used to preacautions like that.

[Firewalker]

Zeldor:

You are still in China? Whereabouts?

[Zeldor]

Xi'An (Shaanxi province), until September.

[cleveland]

Zeldor said:
Xi'An (Shaanxi province), until September.



Will you try to attend the Olympics? I definitely would.

[sansanjuan]

Zeldor said:
Xi'An (Shaanxi province), until September.



50 Astral for Olympic tickets... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif
-SSJ

[Zeldor]

cleveland:

Rather not, hordes of tourists and not really many things that I would be interested in.

[cleveland]

Zeldor said:
cleveland:

Rather not, hordes of tourists and not really many things that I would be interested in.



Maybe someday the IOC will get it's act together and finally acknowledge that Dominions3 is a true Sport of Champions, and thus deserves it's rightful place among the Games.



THE PROUD ATHLETES APPROACH!!! /threads/images/Graemlins/MusicalNote.gifDah!...Da!...Da,dah,dah,dah,dah.../threads/images/Graemlins/MusicalNote.gif
http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/4862/olympicbogbeastsbw7.th.jpg (http://img138.imageshack.us/my.php?image=olympicbogbeastsbw7.jpg)

[sansanjuan]

cleveland said:

Zeldor said:
cleveland:

Rather not, hordes of tourists and not really many things that I would be interested in.



Maybe someday the IOC will get it's act together and finally acknowledge that Dominions3 is a true Sport of Champions, and thus deserves it's rightful place among the Games.



THE PROUD ATHLETES APPROACH!!! /threads/images/Graemlins/MusicalNote.gifDah!...Da!...Da,dah,dah,dah,dah.../threads/images/Graemlins/MusicalNote.gif
http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/4862/olympicbogbeastsbw7.th.jpg (http://img138.imageshack.us/my.php?image=olympicbogbeastsbw7.jpg)



C, You should post that in the infamous bog beast thread. It will give folks a smile.
-SSJ

[Zeldor]

Heh, like I thought - Pan already grabbed practically all artifacts.

[cleveland]

Zeldor said:
Heh, like I thought - Pan already grabbed practically all artifacts.



Are you sure you mean me? I'm still at Const4...though Arco's obviously at Const8.

[spacht]

I really like playing with graphs off http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[sansanjuan]

Zeldor said:
Heh, like I thought - Pan already grabbed practically all artifacts.



Not me either... My research sucks.
-SSJ

[DonCorazon]

Zeldor said:
Heh, like I thought - Pan already grabbed practically all artifacts.



"Practically all"??
So what's left?

[Firewalker]

Zeldor has magical psychic powers that allow him to divine these details with graphs off!

Thanks by the way for the snide in-game message, Z. Really gets me in the role playing mood.

[Zeldor]

cleveland:

If it's not you then hmm... Bogarus? They were left quite safe with their researchers. And I think I have seen const6 items on you. And nature items are really gone and Bogarus has no high level nature mages http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

And yep, I have Const8, as I was almost dead I wanted to research that intead of smth useful.

[Firewalker]

Anybody can have high levels of nature magic, Z. They can put it on their pretender and He/She can make the items.

[cleveland]

Zeldor said:
And nature items are really gone...



Translation: "The Chalice is really gone..."

[Zeldor]

Robe of Callius the Druid, Green Eye, Sceptre of Dark Regency, Winter Bringer, Cronw of the Ivy King etc etc are gone. So even small things are taken.

[sansanjuan]

Zeldor said:
Robe of Callius the Druid, Green Eye, Sceptre of Dark Regency, Winter Bringer, Cronw of the Ivy King etc etc are gone. So even small things are taken.



ok... who's bogarting all the stuff http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/firedevil.gif ? I thought we were all supposed to share.

-SSJ

[hoo]

Bogarus thought about going to cons 8. But then realized with my extremely poor pretender desing wouldn't make any sense. I have con 6 but can't craft a lot as the only item booster i can make is starshine cap. bogarus isnt' really a crafting nation as their mages top out around 2 in everything (had to get Pan to make me earth boots!)

I'd finger Pythium, TC or Mictlan.

[Firewalker]

We'll find out soon enough when we run into the SCs. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/eek.gif

[Zeldor]

I had an SC like 10 turns ago. Nice hero, he died on first battle against some Dark Vines http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Randvek]

Accusing humble Pythium of forging artifacts? I'm honored, but I'm at Con6. I'm pretty sure I was the first one to Con6, but I've neglected it for a while now.

I am a good person to talk to for boosters, though. You in the market? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

[spacht]

That leaves Mictlan and Agartha to deny their research into Const8 http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[Omnirizon]

It is not I, I am not at const8.

are you sure it is only mictlan and I left to account for?

[Randvek]

I doubt Mictlan is at Cons8, he's probably full into Blood. I bet it's Marginon this whole time, just trying to throw off suspicion!

[spacht]

I haven't even reached Const6 yet. Maybe it's been Arco all along, trying to pass off as weak again, hoarding all artifacts and sowing discord among us http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

[Zeldor]

Nah, enemy armies around my capitol so no artifact would help me here. Even most powerful ones.

[SiyfkA]

Randvek said:
I doubt Mictlan is at Cons8, he's probably full into Blood. I bet it's Marginon this whole time, just trying to throw off suspicion!


QFT

[Zeldor]

But some people can have 8+8 already, so he can have Blood8 demon summons and uniques to equip them.

[spacht]

Yep, it has to be Mictlan, it's always the quiet ones. I bet he will very soon start sending his artifact-equipped demon lords and Chalice-healed tartarians at us, while Wishing for Armageddon twice per turn and softening up the remaining indy provinces with Flames from the sky.

[DonCorazon]

Ancient Tien Chin wise man say:
Fox smell own hole.

/threads/images/Graemlins/PointUp.gif

[cleveland]

Holy crap! I could have sworn I sent my turn in 2 days ago.

Sorry for the delay everyone.

[Firewalker]

Are you needing a little more time, Cleveland?

[Stelteck]

The evil lord of marignon just cancel its NAP with the peacefull nations of Ctiss.

All nations are welcome to join me in my crusade against these naughty priest, before it is too late.

[SiyfkA]

Ha, even if I had cons 8 I'd be hard pressed to even make the blood artifacts with my gem income.

[DonCorazon]

Prince of snakes! I did not even know you were in this game.

[Zeldor]

I think he isn't http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif Unless I really missed something http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[DonCorazon]

Marignon is so tough he declared war on the Ctis player in another game. His Pretender is not satisfied with just ruling Alexandria!

[spacht]

Yes, wrong thread. But i was scared at first.

[Stelteck]

lol i really not understand. When i open alexandra thread i arrive here.

REally funny.

[cleveland]

DonCorazon said:
Marignon is so tough he declared war on the Ctis player in another game.



I laughed pretty hard when I read this. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

[Firewalker]

Just so everyone knows, I plan to set the game back to 48hr turns after the this next one hosts. It was set to 72hrs only to accommodate Hoo's schedule.

So if anyone has objections, now is the time to lodge them.

[Zeldor]

I will maybe need extension from tomorrow. I am doing 3 day trip to Huashan. I just don't know what weather condition will be so I don't know exactly when I am going. I will do my turn before that so I will probably need 24h extension on one after that. I will PM you when I am sure http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[DonCorazon]

No objections here. Anything to speed up the pace of this game would be welcome by me.

[DonCorazon]

Z - glad to see you are taking the full 72 hours to make the Arcos moves count in this game. For that amount of time, I expect a full comeback a la Urapara.

[Zeldor]

I had no idea it is 72 turns until now. I was just doing that turn when reminder comes, heh. I was doing some gem trading via PMs so didn't do the turn just after receiving it.

[Zeldor]

Lol, we are talking about Construction 8 and Pan has Conjuration 9 already. That couple thousand manikins get a bit better with that.

I guess if someone missed some research work it is a bit too late now http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[cleveland]

Zeldor said:
Lol, we are talking about Construction 8 and Pan has Conjuration 9 already.



Alteration 9

And yes, it certainly makes those 550 manikins sieging your capital a bit more effective. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[Zeldor]

650.

[Randvek]

If you haven't thought about taking action against Pangaea at this point, you might want to think about it now, before his army really gets out of reach. He's pretty far ahead of most of us, even by his own admission.

[spacht]

I count 579 manikins besieging the arcoscephalan capital.

[cleveland]

Randvek said:
He's pretty far ahead of most of us, even by his own admission.



While I'm proud to agree that my buffed manikin strategy has been pretty successful so far, beelining for Alteration 9 hasn't come without its price. Still, I'm flattered you feel so threatened. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[DonCorazon]

Omnirizon said:
so slow.

disillusionment setting in.

turns... where are the turns?

[Omnirizon]

point taken. i've been busy with school; end of semester. paper on contemporary theory, paper on advanced stat, paper on development theory. am I last again?

[DonCorazon]

Afraid even Zeldor beat you this turn, Omni. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

No worries though, I just wasn't sure if you were going to get your turn in before the deadline --

Good luck with all the papers - "paper on advanced stat" that sounds like cruel and unusual punishment!

[hoo]

cleveland said:

While I'm proud to agree that my buffed manikin strategy has been pretty successful so far, beelining for Alteration 9 hasn't come without its price. Still, I'm flattered you feel so threatened. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif



What price? Aren't you about to take your 2nd enemy capitol? Don't you have Atlantis's home capitol and now Arcos? You're way, way, ahead of everyone else especially since you are outresearching a lot of folks and clearly have an awesome military.

[DonCorazon]

The price is probably about 326 mannikins and 2 vine ogres. Which in terms of % is probably about 1% of the Pangean military / vegetation.

btw, anyone want to tell the story of how an Ocean dwelling nation got knocked out by a Land-based nation so quickly? That has to be a first...

[spacht]

It seems i wasn't the only one watching the storming of the arcoscephalan capital and it was quite a fight. I'm curious, what happened to all those fleeing mages, Zeldor?

[cleveland]

hoo said:
Aren't you about to take your 2nd enemy capitol? Don't you have Atlantis's home capitol and now Arcos?




No. Arco took Atlantis. And he just repelled my assault on his capital.



hoo said:
...clearly have an awesome military.




HAD an awesome military. Apparently, my manikin hoarde didn't think it necessary to attack the humongous stack of banish-spamming mages in the back row, instead focusing on a single, albeit unhittable, golem, and were consequently cut to little manikin pieces. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

[hoo]

Ah, thanks cleveland. If this is true, I'm not panicked by you anymore. I thought you were about to take your 3rd capitol, which puts you in a huge lead.

[Firewalker]

> HAD an awesome military. Apparently, my manikin hoarde didn't think ...

That's what happens when you rely on mindless troops. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

[cleveland]

For those unfortunate enough to miss the great Valiant But Ultimately Unsuccessful Storming of the Capital of Arcoscephale, please allow me to explain it's climatic conclusion:

The Acroscephalian army is in full retreat. All that remains is a single Golem, well outfitted, kicking ***, but overwhelmed by the 50 or so remaining manikins. They're slowly, but surely, whittling down his hit points - previously impossible given the "healing light" cascades courtesy of the sybils.

74hp
68hp
...
7hp
3hp
50 turn autorout kicks in...

Pangaean commanders retire from the field, it apparently being too late in the afternoon to continue fighting...

Mindless manikins dissolve...

Arco wins...?



That turn limit's gotta go.

[sansanjuan]

That was the coolest battle I've ever seen. Congrats to both of you.
-SSJ

[Zeldor]

It took me almost an hour to script that remnants of my army http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif

It would be more interesting if I didnt lose some armies to Utgard in stale turn as I planned to retreat them to capitol.

cleveland:

I have lost Golem with Sickle whose crop is pain [30D gems gathered], nice shield, starshine skullcap, marble armor, boots of quickness etc etc that had over 1500 kills and Heroic Toughness due to 50 turn limit so you have my full support on that.

P.S. Didn't check the turn yet. Heh, mages shouldn't really be able to retreat at all from capitol.

[cleveland]

Zeldor said:
Didn't check the turn yet. Heh, mages shouldn't really be able to retreat at all from capitol.



Well, I don't want to spoil it for you, but we both got screwed by the game mechanics in that battle.

I got screwed when my "Attack Rearmost" manikins became fixated on your Golem, and therefore got slaughtered by your priest communion.

You got screwed when your mages retreated after I *finally* word-of-powered your Golem.

I got screwed when my commanders autorouted, despite the fact that your army had a grand total of 3hp.

So at least the referee wasn't playing favorites. I suppose the outcome was fair. And as SSJ pointed out, it was at least a very, very cool battle.

[Zeldor]

cleveland:

I knew I will lose that, I just wanted to make as many casualties as I could.

There were some mistakes in my research [which is quite low] and I could have really used Summon Earthpower to kill fatigue. Not enough chaff to protect mages too. I had only Golem as distraction for manikins, but I didn't suspect he would be able to stop many of them.

My communion was really weak, stale turn killed most of my weaker mages that would work as communion slaves.

I aimed for killing your leaders so manikins would just dissolve. Nature and water spells were to slow manikins.

I think I can upload turn here soon so those that missed it can watch it? Or you'd prefer it till the game is finished?

[hoo]

Hmm..Seems like even this 'victory' by Arco means that Pan will still take his capitol. Maybe just a turn or 2 later.

So, Arco has atlantis's capitol. Pan will have Arco's captiol. Marignon has CTIS. That the general state of play?

[Zeldor]

No, I had to withdraw and move most of my forces. I had conquered most of Atlantis lands and surrounded capitol, but then Utgard attacked so I wasn't able to finish the job. Marignon has 3 capitols now - C'tis and Atlantis. Utgard or Pan will have mine [I have no idea what relations are between them].

I guess stats would be like that:
1. Marignon [3 capitols]
2. Pangaea [huge armies + darkness + nice research]
3. Utgard [many SCs, no real wars, a lot of land, really lot of land]

If Pan takes my capitol I would give them first spot.

[Zeldor]

Heh, just watched the battle. Stupid stupid routing system. If I didn't have any elephants there almost all my mages would live. Elephants died fast and they had most of HP so just few more units killed cause entire army to rout. Lost 38! mages when they tried to retreat into enemy territory.

When you play on SP or not on high level you don't notice things like that. But later when you get to know the game things like that are game-breaking :/

[sansanjuan]

Zeldor said:
cleveland:

I think I can upload turn here soon so those that missed it can watch it? Or you'd prefer it till the game is finished?



That game turn should certainly be posted. I would wait a couple weeks though. Everyone can learn from that fireworks show.
-SSJ

[cleveland]

sansanjuan said:

Zeldor said:
I think I can upload turn here soon so those that missed it can watch it? Or you'd prefer it till the game is finished?



That game turn should certainly be posted. I would wait a couple weeks though. Everyone can learn from that fireworks show.
-SSJ



I certainly have no objection to people seeing the battle, but turn-posting is a bit of a Pandora's Box.

If I get some time tonight, I'll try to YouTube the battle (unless one of you scry-ers beats me to it).




Zeldor said:
I knew I will lose that, I just wanted to make as many casualties as I could.



You certainly succeeded! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

[Firewalker]

Yeah, posting the turn would reveal alot of other details to all of us. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[Zeldor]

cleveland:

That seems like a better solution http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif My mages should be still alive though and ready for few more fights http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif

[Zeldor]

Ok, but WTF just happened? I got 2 turn files in a row. Turn 41 and 42! 42 just a bit after 41, of course a stale turn.

[cleveland]

Zeldor said:
Ok, but WTF just happened? I got 2 turn files in a row. Turn 41 and 42! 42 just a bit after 41, of course a stale turn.



Same here.

Looks like a llamaserver error, as both seem came with the subject line "New Turn File: Alexandria turn 41"

I'll bet llamabeast can roll the game back to turn 41.

[Firewalker]

Hum ... this happened in Capuchin. Yes, he can roll us back and re-run the turn. I'm PM him.

[Zeldor]

He comes back from hmm... Thailand I think on 27th.

[DonCorazon]

So we can still make our orders on the first Turn 41 we received I assume, and wait til he does the rollback to send it in?

[Firewalker]

Ugh. Seems like the first turn file sent out was a good one. But if we want to wait to see what he says, let me know and we can pause the game.

edit: That's true DC. 27th is about on our deadline for the turn anyway.

[sansanjuan]

Happened in the Acouchi game too this week. Wonder if someone messed with the O/S date setting?
-SSJ

[Firewalker]

Guys,

The server says we are on turn 41 and the deadline looks correct. The other time I encountered this problem the server actually skipped forwards a turn and so it had to be rolled back. But I think this time it may be fine, since it did not. Let's all send in our turns based on the FIRST turn file we received.

I will still delay the game until I hear back from Llamabeast, unless others have an objection.

[Zeldor]

Yeah, it says 41, mail from llamaserver says 41, but you open 42 in the second one. Deadline changed about an hour with 2nd turn sent. But yes, there is a possibility it will accept first turn 41.

[Firewalker]

Z;

It said the turn was fine when I sent my turn in this morning.

[sansanjuan]

Firewalker said:
Guys,

The server says we are on turn 41 and the deadline looks correct. The other time I encountered this problem the server actually skipped forwards a turn and so it had to be rolled back. But I think this time it may be fine, since it did not. Let's all send in our turns based on the FIRST turn file we received.

I will still delay the game until I hear back from Llamabeast, unless others have an objection.



Bet the game would look pretty different at turn 41 if we set it back to turn one and replayed to 41 again... interesting thought experiment
-SSJ

[cleveland]

sansanjuan said:
Bet the game would look pretty different at turn 41 if we set it back to turn one and replayed to 41 again... interesting thought experiment
-SSJ



Omnirizon could include it in his Stats paper as a case study in stochastic dynamics.

[Omnirizon]

actually, some researchers have suggested online gaming as being an interesting arena of study for reasons exactly like that. It is a simulated environment with enough variable but structuring elements in which every action is, in theory, knowable and that we can with relative ease control.

Maybe the up-and-coming generation of sociologists, who have been exposed to online gaming and are familiar and comfortable with it, will utilize something like that.

[DonCorazon]

is everyone here a PhD? this is some heavy stuff.

[DonCorazon]

anyone joining the big mega game? i think they are down to less than 15 slots...

[SiyfkA]

So we just waiting on a roll back for the last turn?

[Firewalker]

Well, everyone sent in their turns and it hosted, but it sent me (eveyone else?) and staled turn, so I think it will need to be reset when Lllamabeast finds time.

[DonCorazon]

so i sent in turn 41 this morning and just received turn 43 that indicated a stale turn and disregarded all my turn 42 orders.

[Firewalker]

Yep, the server is messed up. The webpage says it is on the correct turn, but is sending out turns skipping forwards a turn.

[DonCorazon]

so i guess we just hang tight til we hear back from llamabeast.

[cleveland]

Too bad I didn't have any site searching ritual autocasters...

[llamabeast]

I'm here! One second...

[llamabeast]

Right, I'm afraid we have a slight cockup - the backups of turn 41 were overwritten by those of turn 42, meaning that turn 41 is lost, and we will have to carry on from turn 42, with everyone having staled. Hopefully that won't be a big problem, it should be reasonably fair at least. Sorry for the inconvenience though.

This seems to come up when Dominions itself crashes when trying to process a turn. The LlamaServer doesn't cope very well with that happening though - for some reason it then hosts again immediately, without incrementing the turn counter, which is how it gets out of sync with the real turn number. I haven't quite worked out why it gets confused yet - I will try to look into it.

Anyway, I will get the server to resend all your turns just so you're clear which turn you're meant to be playing, and hopefully everything will be fine from here.

[DonCorazon]

Thank you llamabeast.

Hmm...looks like my border with Pan produced ~ 20 extra mannikins during the stale.

Tien Chin may need to invest in some Round-Up factories.

[Randvek]

Arg! Lost a Fever Fetish due to the stall. My commander picked a bad turn to be at 1 health.

[sansanjuan]

Randvek said:
Arg! Lost a Fever Fetish due to the stall. My commander picked a bad turn to be at 1 health.



Arg. The worst part for me was that the turn didn't stale for AI-Atlantis who seems to bear a grudge for having my stinky giants swimming in the sea....

-SSJ

[spacht]

They even got their capital back.

[Randvek]

sansanjuan said:
Arg. The worst part for me was that the turn didn't stale for AI-Atlantis who seems to bear a grudge for having my stinky giants swimming in the sea....



Hm, I wonder if someone should suggest a fix to this for some future patch. An admin option that forces an AI nation to stall a turn.

[cleveland]

Won’t it be getting a bit too cold for an invasion, Patala?

My diplomats assure me that no End-Of-NAP-3-Notice ever reached our embassy, but no worries: we invite your aggression, and wish your troops good luck in the field.

Cheers,
Pangaea

[Firewalker]

The Naga warriors are already shivering, in fact. They will be staying on the warmer side of the border, where they can easily kill any mindless vegetables that might wander too far from home.

Now, if you see Gandharvas on your doorstep, you might worry more.

Patala.

[cleveland]

Interesting.

In my experience, the sudden appearance of 3 armies across a peaceful boarder is a bad omen.

But I suppose I have no reason to doubt you. You’ve stated you’ll honor our agreement, and I shall do the same.

Cheers,
Pangaea

<font color="red">p.s. "Wandering Mindless Vegetables"...I couldn't help but laugh at the mental image that created. </font>

[Firewalker]

Marignon:

The Nagaraja has decided that the conquest of our cold-blooded kin, the C'tis, cannot stand. The Naga warriors of the Jewelled City shall liberate the oppressed reptile people. Prepare yourself for a slaughter.

[OOC: Hopefully your slaughter not mine! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif]

[Omnirizon]

[censored] I staled. I could have sworn the turn was due tommorow, not today.

stupid stats paper...

[Firewalker]

Omni:

Do you need the turns to be moved to 72hr deadlines? Or is it just finals week? We are getting into the mid-game.

[Zeldor]

From what I know some people are already beyond mid game http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Omnirizon]

it is just finals week. all papers due monday, may 5th; i'm swamped working on them. I should be alright with 48 hour timer, i was just in a zone yesterday and forgot to do my turn.

[Firewalker]

Omni:

I've been there and done that myself -- I have a less than pristine record on staling. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[cleveland]

At this moment, Tartarians of Tien Chi besiege the noble giants of Utgard. Along with their Pythiumian allies, TC stands to disrupt the delicate balance of power.

Having successfully vanquished Arcoscephale (he's gone AI?), the Pangaen army marches East to engage the Tien Chi menace.

Nations of Alexandria are encouraged to join this valiant crusade, PM me if interested.

Cheers,
Pangaea

[DonCorazon]

Delicate balance of power is Pangean for the unchecked evil dictatorshipof Utgard and Pan...

Hordes of berserking, quickened giants have been breeding like rabbits for unchecked eons and as most nations of Alexandria know, spread like a plague across our lands. Similarly, the noxious weeds of Pangea never seem to leave our delicate Tien Chin gardens alone.

We call upon all civilized nations to end the reign of terror brought on by these heinous overlords.

And the so-called Tartarian was just a particularly large corpse construct...:)

[Firewalker]

The Nagaraja has heard tell that these "T'ien-chi" characters have been attempting to subjugate the seas around Patala. They speak with strange tongues and are warm blooded. This is most disturbing. He may have to take action to secure the kingdom from any possible amphibious aggression.

[DonCorazon]

Pan never fights a battle without at least 2 allies and his smug response to the (brief) dispelling of his global reveals how he truly feels about his own position in the "balance" of power.

Any nation truly concerned with balance of power (or with a gleam of desire to win) may want to help Tien Chin and use this a chance to set the scales to even.

Arcos? Oh wait, Utgard and Pan already destroyed you.

[Zeldor]

We encourage every nation to liberate the world from undead armies of Pan! Free the population of so many provinces from death dominion of cleveland!

Ha! I am dead, but I can do some propaganda too http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

To Urapara players: game is finished, result is a draw between TC and Abysia. Explanation in game thread.

[Firewalker]

Alas, although victorious, the Nagaraja is mortally wounded, blinded, and diseased. Many of the gurus avert there eyes without pity -- his cruelty has finally come to be repaid.


(OOC: Father Illearth seems a little overrated to me, after these last two games. But it did take about 150 soul slay spells to finally kill him. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif)

[Omnirizon]

Papers are done! Time to drink!

Race and Choice of Major Field of Study in Higher Education: Symbolic Racism and its Effects on Status Ambition

The Oppressed and Powerless: Subject, Identity, and Voice

Structure and Agency: The Culture Studies Paradigms
(with a contrasting commentary on the macro/micro empiricism paradigms)

[DonCorazon]

Tien Chin scouts have spotted a 1080 unit Pangean army at 264, 2 provinces away from the gates of the imperial kingdom.

Any civilized nations uncomfortable with the idea of a world managed by undead vegetation may be interested in whittling down this giant shambling horde of rotting orange peels.

And don't think we don't notice the stealing of our sea provinces by their slimy snake friends...

[Omnirizon]

Hey Pan!

Pythium tells me I'm only attacking him because you must have bribed me. You know, because when anybody does something, it is because Pan bribes them too. It has nothing to do with the fact that Pythium attacked me first. So I'm expecting a few magical items and about 80 gems from you in the mail soon.

Consequently, Pythium confirmed to me that he did attack me because Arco paid him to. Are you really a nation if someone else makes your decisions?

[Randvek]

I'm actually kinda tempted to hang it up right here. Diplomacy is ok, but being a total [censored] is another. I don't want to be involved in a game like this, sorry.

[DonCorazon]

Omnirizon said:
Are you really a nation if someone else makes your decisions?



Are you questioning my nationhood? I have a really big nation. It is almost 8 inches long with a fairly nice girth. (zoomed in of course).

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[spacht]

DonCorazon said:

I have a really big nation. It is almost 8 inches long with a fairly nice girth. (zoomed in of course).

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif



It will be swallowed whole by Pangaea nonetheless. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[sansanjuan]

DonCorazon said:
Tien Chin scouts have spotted a 1080 unit Pangean army at 264, 2 provinces away from the gates of the imperial kingdom.




The cavalry doesn't always arrive on horseback. I remember this John Wayne movie when the settlers circled the wagons as the Native Americans rained down arrows. Suddenly, out of the sunset came a thundering force of John Wayne and 100 men riding giant stunted rutabagas...


-SSJ

[cleveland]

DonCorazon said:
Tien Chin scouts have spotted a 1080 unit...giant shambling horde of rotting orange peels.



Your fear is rightly justified, Tien Chi. The "rotting-orange-peel" strategy is indeed considered vastly superior to the laughable "Chalice-Assisted-Tartarian-Supercombatant" (CATS) strategy your doomed nation has banked upon.


DonCorazon said:
It is almost 8 inches long with a fairly nice girth. (zoomed in of course).



It is Pangaean civic policy to spay and neuter all CATS.


spacht said:
It will be swallowed whole by Pangaea nonetheless. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif



Damn, that was good. I've got nothing. Bravo. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Omnirizon]

atlantis has some balls.

their taking on mari, utgard, and me; and being pretty efficacious at it, considering.

[hoo]

I think I speak for everyone else when I say, Go! Go! Go! Crazy AI Atlantis. Maim, Kill, Thrill FishPeople!

[spacht]

I really don't know why Ylvali quitted. Even after that many turns AI Atlantis is still fighting back while beset on all sides by 4 players. Or is there someone secretly supplying the AI with money and gems?

[sansanjuan]

spacht said:
Or is there someone secretly supplying the AI with money and gems?



Only through the land they've taken from me. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

-SSJ

[Omnirizon]

Pan is paying off the Atlantis AI to give us trouble. He sent them a small fortune and a bundle of magic goodies to do so.

[Randvek]

Omnirizon said:
Pan is paying off the Atlantis AI to give us trouble. He sent them a small fortune and a bundle of magic goodies to do so.



Sure beats giving up your land and losing your armies for nothing like a sucker, eh?

[Omnirizon]

Of course. I mean Atlantis is just a puppet; they can't be faulted.

Pan is the nation to be held accountable. Just because he can't be number one, he gives large sums of resources to a neighbor. Doesn't seem very pretenderly-like, does it? More of a metagame issue, I think. It seems that any REAL pretender, actually REALLY playing within the bounds of the game universe, would fight and claw to the last scrap of land; not give up and give away resources to a neighbor.

Strangely enough though, 'first past the post' systems are what breeds third party politics. Fighting for godhood is a bit different from constructing political power strategies though; as personal godhood rather than party power is at stake. As natural human players, it is tempting to create third party political fabrications; but I think it is probably metagaming given the goal of the Dominions universe.

[Randvek]

Omnirizon said:
It seems that any REAL pretender, actually REALLY playing within the bounds of the game universe...

Fighting for godhood is a bit different from constructing political power strategies though...



You somehow imply that we are not striving for godhood in the real world. What a crazy world-view you have.

[Omnirizon]

in the real world godhood is the strife, not the goal.

[Randvek]

Omnirizon said:
in the real world godhood is the strife, not the goal.



We definitely live in different worlds. Godhood is my goal. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

[hoo]

This entire time I thought Pan was the greatest threat. I don't think he's in the top 2 right now. Of course that could change if he steams through TC but there are scarier forces out there for sure!

[cleveland]

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[DonCorazon]

The fields of Tien Chin have been a bit less productive the last few harvests. The Minister of Agriculture has ordered a large supply of fertilizer from Pangea and looks like it will arrive shortly.

[sansanjuan]

hoo said:
This entire time I thought Pan was the greatest threat. I don't think he's in the top 2 right now. Of course that could change if he steams through TC but there are scarier forces out there for sure!



Utgard is in position to make a call. (At work so guessing some numbers...)

Hmmmm.... 1000+ bonefiends and a bunch of arch devils in my northern domain. ~1000+ archer ponies with tartarian artillery + a "who's who" list of SCs (dressed to party) in the southern. Hmmm. I guess time will tell.

I must say these late game battles are a true learning experince for me. I would certainly do many things differently if I could go back a few turns... or even back to turn 1... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

-SSJ

[Omnirizon]

err.... i suppose everyone knows, but to clear up any misunderstanding, 'Pan' and all his tasteless activities are only a simulacrum for another nation once in this game. Pan, to my knowledge, hasn't done anything implied in the above conversation.

the particular nation that did was 'feeding' or 'pushing' another player to give them a fabricated advantage, thus upsetting the natural flow of the game:

from the "Cheating Online" guide:
"feeding/pushing - ...In peer-to-peer games/competition games, you can also “feed” a friend by making characters that will be there to just LOSE, thereby giving massive exp, gold, etc to the cheating team or character. Pathetic!"

I get the feeling this happens in Dom3, given high chances that we will both make allies and lose. Maybe we don't _make_ the nation to lose, but it happens, and when it does some give away all their stuff. If your not going to play out to the bitter end, then you at least shouldn't give away stuff to another nation. I think such is questionable behavior at best, and should generally be considered cheating or at least disruptive in Dom3.

[Zeldor]

Omnirizon:

If you are killed it is natural thing that you give your remaining gems, items etc to your ally. Why would you let them just disappear? They can be used to harass the one that killed you http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

But what is going on anyway?

[Omnirizon]

why would you give them away when your hoping to become god?

and the whole action introduces possibility for metagaming.

"I give all my stuff away to this guy in a game, now this guy likes me and we get along and can watch each other's backs in another. I don't like this guy, so I give away stuff to make sure he has a harder time in game."

I mean it is just a game, and not all that important. But it seems we should behave in ways that are going to keep the games as balanced as possible.

I think I'll start a poll and see what others think. It's kind of interestng.

[Randvek]

Omnirizon said:
why would you give them away when your hoping to become god?

and the whole action introduces possibility for metagaming.

"I give all my stuff away to this guy in a game, now this guy likes me and we get along and can watch each other's backs in another. I don't like this guy, so I give away stuff to make sure he has a harder time in game."

I mean it is just a game, and not all that important. But it seems we should behave in ways that are going to keep the games as balanced as possible.

I think I'll start a poll and see what others think. It's kind of interestng.



Go play single player.

[Omnirizon]

I'm too busy polling to do that.

then i'm going to run for president on my 'gaming ethics' platform.

[Zeldor]

Who gave what to who anyway? If someone is almost dead he cannot really give away much.

[Omnirizon]

you're the culprit, Arco! who else?

[Zeldor]

I didn't know small donation can harm you so much http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

I rolled LA Agartha in mega-game, that should be funny.

[Randvek]

Omnirizon said:
I'm too busy polling to do that.

then i'm going to run for president on my 'gaming ethics' platform.



So far the votes are 10:1 against your poll. I do hope you get more votes, for your campaign's sake.

[Omnirizon]

Rand: being the moral minority is always a hard role. But I've always preferred the road less taken.

i can give you some tips on LA Argatha, Zeldor. They do have some unusual characteristics.

[Randvek]

Omnirizon said:
Rand: being the moral minority is always a hard role.



Two words for you: martyr complex.

[Zeldor]

Omnirizon:

You should have really taken astral mages with your attack. I had no armies to defend my lands there but you let me just mind hunt your leaders, surround your troops and route them with tiny force.

I have some ideas already http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif Gotta test them now.

[Omnirizon]

I had no experience against mind hunts before this game. its really only my second. since i had you ravaging some of my forces with them, i've moved astral mages to all of my forts, and move them with every major army now. I also throw in a couple of redundant leaders with every force too, just in case.

[Omnirizon]

Randvek said:

Omnirizon said:
Rand: being the moral minority is always a hard role.



Two words for you: martyr complex.



the moral minority is never a martyr's role; we are kickass dudes, not sacrificial lambs.

[Omnirizon]

so while the lesser powers are scrapping over ultimately irrelevant issues, and squabbling over a few ratty provinces, what are the big boys in the game doing?

I heard tarts are roaming about. anything else fun?

[Omnirizon]

Argathan treasury is currently willing to trade water gems. We are completely flexible on what we will trade for, but will trade at a rate of 1.2 for 1 (an extra gem for every 5) for earth, astral, or death gems; all other gems are 1:1. Contact our magic treasurer via private mail with any requests.

-Argathan magic treasury

EDIT: to be clear, we want to trade AWAY water gems, not trade for them. we don't want the water gems; we want other gems. We will basically take any other gem, but prefer earth/astral/death.

[hoo]

Question: I'm playing with luck 3 as Bogarus but haven't gotten a single hero. I wonder if this a bug with the CBM 1.21 mod since bogarus is the last nation added? Does it seem odd that in the 50+ turns I haven't gotten a single hero with luck 3?

[Randvek]

hoo said:
Question: I'm playing with luck 3 as Bogarus but haven't gotten a single hero. I wonder if this a bug with the CBM 1.21 mod since bogarus is the last nation added? Does it seem odd that in the 50+ turns I haven't gotten a single hero with luck 3?



As far as I know, Worthy Heroes 1.8 is older than Bogarus, so there aren't any Bogarus heroes in it. I wouldn't call it a bug per-se. Should still be some Bogarus heroes in the base game, though.

I just this turn got my first hero for Pythium. And, of course, he's terrible. You're not missing much. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

[hoo]

Randvek said:

I just this turn got my first hero for Pythium. And, of course, he's terrible. You're not missing much. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif




Entire reason I chose Bogarus was to get Babi Yaga. Bogarus has great heroes and I strategized around them. now I'm sad I don't get them. Especially since mighty Marignon is squashing me and I'll never get them. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/Sick.gif

[spacht]

Afaik, Worthy Heroes 1.8 hasn't got new heroes even for some of the older nations.

I also took Luck 3 and got 2 heroes so far (1 of them already dead).

And in what way am i squashing you? You took 5 provinces from me, we never fought a real battle. Or does it count as "squashing" that i successfully defended against 1 of your 3 remote summonings? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[DonCorazon]

TC has one hero who is quarantined because of his wonderful special ability of diseasing my units. Yippeee!

[sansanjuan]

DonCorazon said:
TC has one hero who is quarantined because of his wonderful special ability of diseasing my units. Yippeee!



Right now I'd settle for a diseased penguin named Morty. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

-SSJ

[Firewalker]

I think he maybe meant that you were squashing *me*, Spacht. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

[Randvek]

Ok, ok, I don't think I'll be asking anyone to give away anything important when I ask this: has *anybody* gotten a decent hero from random events yet?

[hoo]

[\quote]
And in what way am i squashing you? You took 5 provinces from me, we never fought a real battle. Or does it count as "squashing" that i successfully defended against 1 of your 3 remote summonings? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[/quote]


Let's just say my little horde of woodsmen archers and air/astral communion mages vs you dual blessed flagellants, wraithlords, several angels, fallen angels, arch demon,(edit: forgot the harbringers!) nice hero turned prophet (all thugs/scs tricked out heavily) and fire/gifts from heaven communion mages seems a bit of a mismatch.
How about you leave the wraithlords, heavenly angels, fallen angels and archdemons at home and we fight this mano a mano with just humans?

And I'll gladly leave my hordes for hell alone and we'll just let the bogarus troops fight vs the Marignon troops!

what do you say?

[spacht]

Hmm, let me think......no http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

But don't worry, you've got your little snakey friends to even the odds. And they have got a proven record of dealing with archdevils, fallen angels and corrupted elemental kings.

[hoo]

spacht said:
But don't worry, you've got your little snakey friends to even the odds. And they have got a proven record of dealing with archdevils, fallen angels and corrupted elemental kings.



My little snakey friends need to get it in gear. You're doing pretty darn well against 3 countries (although Atlantis seems done). Patala is the sword and main event. I was supposed to be the weaker partner till you whipped the Snakes soundly three straight times!

BTW, we may be short on SCs, super combat spells, items, cash and gems and of course our great heroes...but we got <font color="red"> heart</font> !

So don't underestimate we have a few tricks left and we're not that scared of your uber army with your little tricked out SCs with the 40 defense.
The little Bogie that could! That's us

[spacht]

I'm not underestimating you, you are overestimating me. I got my *** handed to my by Patala in our first engagement. And the other battles i only won with heavy casualties.

And i don't think you got heart. But i can sell you some, really cheap, made only from our finest vintage virgins. You can choose from 3 varieties: heart of life, black heart and crystal heart. Order within the hour and get a slave collar for free!

[Firewalker]

I'm beginning to wonder if Patala *has* any heros. I know Kailasa gets a devata now and again. Haven't seen anything for Patala yet. I suppose they can get the same.

[Randvek]

Firewalker said:
I'm beginning to wonder if Patala *has* any heros. I know Kailasa gets a devata now and again. Haven't seen anything for Patala yet. I suppose they can get the same.



The readme that comes with Worthy Heroes says you get a Golden Naga, but that's it. F4, pretty buff stats. I'd be pretty happy if I got it. Good luck on that.

[Omnirizon]

could I get an extra 24 hours added to timer?

i'm on my mac laptop and having trouble getting dom3 to work. plus i won't have constant access to internet connection for another day and i'd like to be sure i have time.

on dom3 not working, it works, per se, but it won't read the game folders, so it won't see the alexandria game. not sure what to do yet, going to try some stuff.

[Firewalker]

Omni --

Okay, will do.

On Dom3 problems, the only thing I can think of is that you may not have the mods installed and set in preferences to be active.

[Omnirizon]

thanks fire, i'll need the extra time. once i get where i'm going i'll be back on normal schedule though (stopping at friends and relatives on my way back home.) should be there sometime tommorow night.

i got one problem solved. the mac dom3 places savegames and mods in a seperate area from the dom3 folder, yet it has the 'mods' and 'savegames' in the dom3 folder (it just doesn't look in them).

new problem is the trn file isn't working. i load up game, select the turn, and the program shuts down. another game's turn file works just fine; however its hosted from ich's network server, so maybe that has something to do with it. i should have it figured out in time, i'll try resending the turn from llamaserver and get back.

[Omnirizon]

i'v tried everything i can think of. my laptop just will not open the game file, whenever i tell it to dom3 just shuts down. i've resent the turn and even downloaded my most resent .2h file so it looks like it normally would before i do a turn. still no go.

my other game works just fine, so i'm not sure what to think. maybe my compy doesn't want me to see something.

[cleveland]

I've attached this game's map file. It's different than the one Pasha has available on his Alexandria thread, which could be the problem.

But I do think the game is ready for a permanent switch to a 72hr timer. Anyone else?

[Firewalker]

I second the 72hr motion. I have been having some turns that I rush through at the last minute.

[hoo]

72 hours is good. I'll also be out of action for 48 hours this weekend so a 72 hour turn means I don't have to pause the game.

[cleveland]

Good.

Besides, I'm sure people will want to revise their turns knowing that TC's King of Elemental Earth just met a tragic &amp; unexpected end. Who will be first to summon him back? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[DonCorazon]

Yeah he was still geared up to fight Utgardian werewolfs as he strolled peacefully through the TC woods, not the swarms of Pangean dragonflies, Fairy Queen, Air Elemental, and Crystal Mage that swooped down on him from the skies.

I am glad you mentioned his passing Cleveland so somebody else can have an opportunity to bring him back to the world. We certainly miss him here in Tien Chi, but we have more effective uses for our earth gems these days.

Btw, is anyone else fighting Pangea these days or am I the only lucky one?

[Randvek]

I'd prefer to stick to 48 hour, but I know I'll be in the minority on that one.

[Omnirizon]

by jove!!! it's the missing map file, thanks cleveland. works perfect now. i'd think dom3 would tell me the reason it shuts down is because it is missing the map file, but it never did; and i'd never have thought of it.

on timer, i kinda like 48 hour too. typically is enough time for me. but if anyone is needing an extra day to script inordinately huge armies or anything, i'd understand.

[DonCorazon]

i'd prefer 48 hours and just asking for extensions when needed. but if cleveland needs 72 hours to summon all that pangean shrubbery, then i am more than happy to accomodate.

[cleveland]

Fair enough, the hours of tedious micromanagement are my own stupid fault for choosing this ridiculous freespawn strategy.

Speaking of which, TC, we plan to be stopping by for supper. Kindly set the table for 1000. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

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But in all seriousness I'm leaving early tomorrow morning for a weekend trip. I fully expect to have internet access &amp; to play my turns as normal, but if I'm wrong &amp; fall off the face of the Earth, I humbly request you all consider postponing hosting until sometime Monday afternoon (US). If this is the case, I send my apologies in advance.

[spacht]

I'm fine with the 48 hour timer but i won't leave the game in protest if the majority votes for 72h.

[Firewalker]

Looks like we have more votes for 48hrs, so I'll keep it as it is.

[hoo]

I'll need an extension since I'll be gone from Thursday to Sunday.

[DonCorazon]

Pan, thanks for the prompt delivery of the fertilizer we ordered (along with the bonus trinkets). Unfortunately, it seems to be tainted and we will be returning it to you shortly.

And for those of you wondering what to do with your water gems, Pans land trodding Water Queen is now a free agent. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[sansanjuan]

Alas... Utgard has not had nuch to cheer about lately. However I'd like to share that the big fellas managed to take down a Horror with mostly elbow grease. Took quite a while and lost a bunch of boys but a pretty dang good fight againt the woodtick from beyond.
-SSJ

[SiyfkA]

We'll see how well you do against two. Not that I have anything to do with it ofc

[sansanjuan]

SiyfkA said:
We'll see how well you do against two. Not that I have anything to do with it ofc



S,

The giants expect no quarter!

- Utgard Ministry of Doom Horrors

ooc - This is all very very good stuff for me to experience as a new user. There are a lot of "big sticks" in this game and I hope to get banged over the head with as many as possible. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif I kick myself daily for Utagrd's poor early/mid research in the Alexandria game. Rampaging giants and kitted Werewolves are fun and can be dominant early game but late game strategies are magic magic magic... Reminds me of the HOMM games.

[Randvek]

sansanjuan said:
ooc - This is all very very good stuff for me to experience as a new user. There are a lot of "big sticks" in this game and I hope to get banged over the head with as many as possible. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif I kick myself daily for Utagrd's poor early/mid research in the Alexandria game. Rampaging giants and kitted Werewolves are fun and can be dominant early game but late game strategies are magic magic magic... Reminds me of the HOMM games.



I found that out the hard way my first dominions game, too. Research is crazy important from turn 1.

[Omnirizon]

research is no good without gems. i've always considered site searching to be primero.

[cleveland]

Ouch, whole army annihilated in 0.5 turns...

Paying by-the-min airport internet fees, will reply to PMs tomorrow.

PS Conj9, Const8, &amp; Thau9 by turn 50. Very, very well done TC. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif