PPP - Restarting! See the other thread!

[DrPraetorious]

Let's do it! Who wants to host?

Okay, we have 12 players and Baalz is an alternate if someone drops out.

Teams:
TheNotoriousDoctorPraetorious, Hadrian II - Mictlan/Abysia
Shovah32, Lingchih - Pythium/Marignon
Foodstamp, Baalz - Ermor/Agartha
Revolution, BigDisAwesome - Man/R'lyeh
Peacekeeper, Aezeal - Patala/C'tis
Kristoffer, Quantum Mechanic - Atlantis/Bogarus

Introduce yourselves and start familiarizing yourselves with your nations if needbe. You can trade positions with other players if it is mutually agreeable.

Themes:
LOOK TO THE SKIES! - Man, R'lyeh
IT'S COLD, THERE ARE WOLVES AFTER ME - Atlantis, Bogarus
THE GIRLS ARE MINE - Mictlan, Abysia
THE SUN ALSO SETS - Ermor, Agartha
HOT LIZARD LOVE - Patala, C'tis
WEAR SILLY HATS OR ELSE - Pythium, Marignon

Following teams not in use http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif :
HAVE STEEL, WILL TRAVEL - Ulm, Pangaea
1. DEATH MAGIC, 2. ?, 3. PROFIT! - Caelum, Utgard
THE SUN ALSO RISES - T'ien Ch'i, Jomon
PROCESS OF ELIMINATION - Midgard, Arcoscephale

Team Assignment and Map:
Players will be randomly assigned to teams, this means:
a) Each player will be assigned to a team.
b) Each team will have two players assigned to it.

So both nation assignment and ally assignment is random. Or we could do fixed teams, if people prefer.

Then, each team will be assigned to two nearby start locations, either by me or the host.

Within each team, you can work out for yourselves who gets which nation and which start location.

If we are doing random assignment like last time - you can name up to two people (SECRETLY PLEASE! SEND ME A PM!) with whom you do *not* wish to be paired. You can also specify two of the nation pairs above which you do *not* wish to play.

I assume that we want LA R'lyeh (it isn't really a LA game without them!) so there will be water on the map.

I will scatter start locations on that map before assigning teams, or teams to start locations.

IP or E-mail:
Right now I have 1 person who can't play via IP, and 2 who can't play via e-mail, so I think IP wins atm.

Settings:
Graphs Off, Renaming On, otherwise standard.

Mods:
We will use some kind of hotfix mod, as provided by Edi for v3.15. Even if we don't actually need it, it allows for fixes to be hot-patched in when new patches come out. Can Agartha bless their undead units right now?
Other than hotfixes the mod will not make any changes.

Players so Far:
The Notorious Doctor Praetorious
Shovah32 (prefers IP)
Foodstamp
Revolution
Peacekeeper
Hadrian II
Kristoffer
Quantum Mechanic
Aezeal (declines Ermor, R'lyeh)
Lingchih (IP only)
Coobe (IP only)
BigDisAwesome

maybe....
ano?
zeldor?
llamabeast?
lch?
dryaUnda?
real_fiend (e-mail only)
whollaborg (e-mail only)

[Shovah32]

I'm definitely interested. Haven't decided on which team I would like though.

[ano]

I like the idea very much but unfortunately two big games eat all my time.
Btw, I don't understand why you already divided nations into teams? If the purpose is to disallow "strong" alliances, it might be better to provide some restrictions. Or do I misunderstand something?

[Foodstamp]

This sounds like fun, count me in http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[llamabeast]

I'd be very happy to host, if you'd like.

[lch]

DrPraetorious said:
Let's do it! Who wants to host?



I can host if you want a non-PBEM game.

[DrPraetorious]

ano - there was much discussion of this in previous team games, and it was decided that this was the best way to balance it. The teams generally pair weaker nations with stronger ones, or pairs of average nations, and try to be somwhat respectful of the background story.

In previous games, people have been assigned to teams at random.

Okay, llamabeast will host when we have a quorum. I'm not in any particular rush to start, but we don't want to wait so long that people forget about the game and lose interest http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

EDIT: Or lch can host http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif. We'll put it up to a vote for PBEM vs IP. I'm completely agnostic on the subject.

[Lingchih]

I will play, but not on a PBEM server. No offense Llamabeast, I just do not play PBEM. My reasons are complicated, and deal with receiving email on my Mac, but playing on my PC.

[Real_friend]

In case you will solve to play on llamaserver, I would take bogarus. If you solve not - ignore this message, I have email access only.Any non-standard ports are firewalled, unfortunately.

[Revolution]

Your awesome team names alone are enough to make me want to get in on this.

[Zeldor]

I wish I had time to play that. I always wanted to try LA R'lyeh.

[coobe]

if this aint a pbem i would love to join

[AlgaeNymph]

Will teams be randomly assigned?

[DrPraetorious]

See update at root.

[Peacekeeper]

id like to play. Either hosting option works for me.

[Hadrian_II]

id like to play

i dont care if its ip or pbem.

Random nation selection is fun, but is it possible that i wont get R'lyeh or Ermor?

[Shovah32]

My vote is for ip. Random selection is fine, although I can see atleast three teams there I'd rather not play.

[Kristoffer O]

Hi.

Since the debacle with my last game (loosing internet connection for some weeks) I think I would like to join a new game. My work peak is about to end and I will have less to do at school, meaning I will be less tired at home, meaning I will have more spare time, meaning I would like to join a game.

It would be fun to play a team game. I hope I'm not exempt from team games, being a developer http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

I have no particular preferences regarding nation. Hand me one that is weak or boring, and I might find some inspiration for later patching. I have some thoughts on Jomon summons that might develop if I am confronted with them, but that holds true for other nations as well. At least it is likely that I take another look at the nations sprites http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

IP or PBEM is fine with me.

[Kristoffer O]

Shovah32 said:
My vote is for ip. Random selection is fine, although I can see atleast three teams there I'd rather not play.



Then I'd better take one of these http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Shovah32]

If you aren't too concerned with winning then maybe we could team up? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[quantum_mechani]

This sounds like an interesting game, I'd be up for playing.

[Kristoffer O]

I'm more concerned with loosing. That is, I prefer to loose http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif If I win it takes a lot of time and I reach the micromanagement of the late game. If I loose I can do whatever I want http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

I wouldn't mind teaming up with you. Unless the distributiopn of factions is randomized.

[DrPraetorious]

Team/nation assignment is hopefully clarified at root.

[Aezeal]

I would like to play too (no ermor or rhyllus)

[Shovah32]

I guessed that assignment would be random, but I can still hope http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif.

[Kristoffer O]

Oh, sorry. Didn't read the whole stuff http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Revolution]

Sign up for this wonderful game and hot women might sleep with you!

[SiyfkA]

I'm like to play too. Don't have a preference nation or team wise.

[Whollaborg]

If the game is email, then i can join. If it's going to be IP - i cannot as two of the computers i am using have blocked ports that should interfere.

So count me in if it's email.

[Revolution]

Perhaps we need more of an eye-catching title to this game... like

"SUPER LATE AMAZING ERA ULTRA TEAM CHOWDER GAME"

and you could add one of those cool little emoticon graphics as well. the late era team game title just blends in with the pack.

[Peacekeeper]

thread title reminds me of this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCvXzjGRnKc)

[DrPraetorious]

Right now we appear to have *11* people. I think 12 would be perfect (easy for me to make the map, for one thing,) so we could add 1 more and have six teams arranged on spokes.

Assuming someone else signs up over the next few days, I'll make a 12-player/6-team map and post it, assign teams, give people some time to make pretenders and we can start this weekend?

[Shovah32]

Sounds great. If one of the "maybe" people decide to play then that would be great - the sooner I find out who I'm paired with the better.

[BigDisAwesome]

So I just noticed this thread.
I'm in if it's not too late to join. Sounds like fun.

I have no preferences on anything. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Baalz]

If you need somebody to round out the roster I'll play, no worries if numbers are more convenient without me.

[DrPraetorious]

Okay, we'll go with BDA (since he posted first http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif), and we can nag Baalz as an alternate if someone drops out http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Hadrian_II]

hm, LA abysia, lets see how sacred smoulderghosts work http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Shovah32]

DrP, you are pure evil. Really.

[Kristoffer O]

?

[Real_friend]

Maybe we will start 2 games http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif ? One - IP (with teams of 2) and one - email , with, let's say with teams of 3. It defenitely another dimension, maybe some will take both games http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif
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[coobe]

K.O. and QM... ouch !

[DrPraetorious]

I assigned people to teams at random, which seemed fair - I tried to use the six strongest teams, so if anyone wants to trade for a team not-in-use, that's fine by me.

[DrPraetorious]

And I'd be happy to put together an e-mail game with the same map, but I don't have time to do two of these games at once.

[DrPraetorious]

Here's the layout I'm aiming for.

There will be a body of water in the middle - R'lyeh will start in it. Man (R'lyehs ally) will start on the coast near R'lyeh.

The amphibious nations (and Marignon, since it can sail) will start on the coast. That's Ermor, Patala, Mictlan and Atlantis, all of which have amphibious troops, and Marignon, which at least has boats.

The other nations will start close to their allies, but towards the edge. This is a wheel-with-spokes arrangement that I think is fair, and helps to maximize conflict.

I'm trying to avoid giving any of the six start positions an above average hinterland, and I'm trying to arrange all this without going above 250 provinces (that's a little over 20 per player.)

[Lingchih]

Just don't set me (Pythium) too far from my ally Marignon. I have no interest in the sea, but don't want to be too far from him.

[Kristoffer O]

coobe said:
K.O. and QM... ouch !



Ouch for us! If this is a general sentiment http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[BigDisAwesome]

So we all agree to team up on KO and QM? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

[Aezeal]

Man I didn't know much LA nations.. but now I'm looking into patala and C'tis Im thinking my team has the 2 weakest nations in the age...

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif

[Shovah32]

Patala has really high level magic, elephants and great summons. Ctis has banefire casters, decent troops and its best mages recruitable everywhere.

[Peacekeeper]

Aezeal said:
Man I didn't know much LA nations.. but now I'm looking into patala and C'tis Im thinking my team has the 2 weakest nations in the age...

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif



we got this aezeal. Its all good.

[lch]

Aezeal said:
Man I didn't know much LA nations.. but now I'm looking into patala and C'tis Im thinking my team has the 2 weakest nations in the age...


Heretic! Patala is nothing but awesome. Incredibly powerful mages, sacred astral researchers, elephants, it doesn't get much better than that.

[BigDisAwesome]

I've never delved into Ry'leh, so it looks like I've got a good bit of reading and playtesting to do in the next couple days.

[Aezeal]

lol I didnt'want ry'leh or ermor though I'm pretty sure they are the strongest.. if you like 4h turns halfway in the game

[quantum_mechani]

coobe said:
K.O. and QM... ouch !

Baseless fear mongering... I'd invite people to take a close look at the one team comprised completely of grade AA nations... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[Shovah32]

What is the exact start date/time?
Anyone know?
It would help with my planning a little.

[llamabeast]

Which is the team composed of grade AA nations? I actually can't guess.

[quantum_mechani]

Well, it's hyperbole to some degree, but most the teams are somewhat strong/weak pairs. Bogarus (strong)/Atlantis weak), Mictlan/Abysia, Marignon/Pythium, Patala/C'tis, even Ry'leh/Man (though man is pretty nice too). Ermor and Agartha though... Ermor is almost in a class by itself, and Agartha is arguably the most powerful live LE nation.

[Foodstamp]

It should be noted that Agartha will probably be played by one of the worst Dominion players of all time! Myself http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[Lingchih]

I would hope to start no earlier than late this weekend. I still need time to try and come to grips with crazy LA Pythium, and come up with some kind of decent build for them.

[DrPraetorious]

I agree that R'lyeh/Man is pretty nice - but the other alternatives all struck me as worse (R'lyeh/Arco?R'lyeh/Utgard? R'lyeh/Caelum?), and R'lyeh/Midgard is just silly.

For Ermor's partner, I didn't want to give them too much non-death magic, and C'tis was taken.... it's very thematic, in any case. I'm not as impressed by LA Ermor as many people are, and while LA Agartha is one of my favorites, I've never thought they were that powerful. I'm prepared to be shown otherwise by the inestimable foodstamp, however http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

I think we'll start late this weekend, if that's when people are comfortable. Monday is St. Patty's day, so I'll be wasted, but I can probably still manage to play.

[Shovah32]

Ermor/Agartha was something I was wondering about too...
I mean Ermors capitol alone is 7.5 Umbrals per turn, and any living nation being able to give Ermor gold...
I'm worried.

[llamabeast]

I had no idea LA Agartha was considered powerful. Interesting.

[Foodstamp]

Wow, is it worth me and Coobe even playing. It sounds like you guys are already allied http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[coobe]

foodstamp did you receive my email ?

[coobe]

oh and i never played ermor before so dont worry, i will suck even if its considered strong http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Shovah32]

llamabeast said:
I had no idea LA Agartha was considered powerful. Interesting.



I didn't know what most other people thought of them, but I've always viewed them as one of the top LA nations.

[Foodstamp]

Nope http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif

Forward your old message to jshores "at" wildfiregames "dot" com. If that does not work for you, try mjshores21 "at" tntech "dot" edu.

Either one of those, I can check from home/work/school.

[Kristoffer O]

On the other hand it will be easy to know what to do if you find yourself in conflict with Ermor/Agartha. Both go for the dead, so all answers are pretty simple http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Aezeal]

I might have a lil difficulty getting my pretender in this weekend.. but I'll try

[Aezeal]

ehm I think I have a pretender .. but I'm missing how I should submit it.. how are we playing this game...

give me info please

[DrPraetorious]

It'll be over IP. I'm still fiddling with the map, I'll post it tomorrow and we can get the server running by tomorrow night, I imagine.

[Lingchih]

Pythium Pretender is ready. He has 50% understanding of what his nation can do, but I think that is about the best that is possible for LA Pythium.

[Kristoffer O]

> Pythium Pretender is ready. He has 50% understanding of what his nation can do

Then he probably knows more about his nation than the Pantokrator (me as creator of the nation) http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Aezeal]

one thing.. maybe expand the hall of fame? More red stars is fun http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

[DrPraetorious]

Oh, okay. 15 size hall of fame.

The map file is attached. Pink team has to be R'lyeh - Gray team has to be Ermor/Agartha.

The other four starts will be randomly assigned - they are not scrupulously fair, but all of them border both R'lyeh (at least nominally) and Ermor.

I'm a little worried about the southern start (green) being too strong, but I had trouble trying to niggle everyone else south while giving them proper numbers of neighbors.

[BigDisAwesome]

DrPraetorious said:Pink team has to be R'lyeh



Oh that's really easy for you to say, you're Mr. White. You gotta cool-sounding name. So tell me, Mr. White, if you think "Mr. Pink" is no big deal, you wanna trade?

[Foodstamp]

Haha, I love that movie.

[Aezeal]

don't we need a .map file?

[DrPraetorious]

Only the host needs the .map file.

The .map file will also include which players are assigned to which start locations, assignments that I will not make until people have a chance to request changes to the map http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[BigDisAwesome]

What do you use to look at the map then? I don't have anything to look at a .rgb file.

[Aezeal]

I have pimp but it won't load... can someone post a conversion of the map in this thread so I can just have a look at it?

[DrPraetorious]

If you dump into the dominions map folder, you should be able to view it by going "new map" and typing in the name of the rgb file. It won't have the province terrains and connections right, but you can at least look at the map.

Here's a jpeg.

[BigDisAwesome]

How come the team in the bottom right corner's capitols are so far apart when everyone else is only 2 spaces.

[Lingchih]

No objections to the map. Looks fine to me.

[DrPraetorious]

BDA - That was intended to compensate for the fact that the team in the lower right has, effectively, fewer neighbors. This makes them more vulnerable to the neighbors they do have, because they'll have a harder time defending one another. Other reason is that, if you look at that part of the map, few provinces have exactly 5 neighbors. I'm not sure if this is a net advantage or a death sentence.....

I could push the northern yellow capital a bit south, and the orange capitals a bit south, if people prefer - but the starts might have to be a bit funkier if I did that.

[Revolution]

Things look good to me. Nice work on the map Dr. Praetorious.

[BigDisAwesome]

Sounds good to me. I figured you had a reason for it. That's why I asked.

[Lingchih]

I will be pretty much unable to play until Friday. My video card in my PC died, and my Mac is very unstable playing Dominions. It reboots without warning after several minutes of playing the game.

I've been able to play my other MP games on my Mac by logging in, doing the bare minimum quickly, and logging out before the Mac reboots. But almost every game still requires several reboots before I can get my turn in.

A new video card has been ordered for my PC, and should be here by Friday. If we could wait to start til then, I would be most appreciative. If not, I can try to play turns on my Mac, but it will be iffy. Please feel free to replace me if this is a bother to the other players.

[DrPraetorious]

It's fine by me, so we'll wait until Friday, unless anyone objects.

We should try and keep things to a steady pace once we've actually started, however.

[Aezeal]

Can we do the pretender submission before friday though?
So we get the first turns on friday?

[DrPraetorious]

Oh, sure. I'll contact lch in the morning.

[Lingchih]

Yes, I can certainly keep the game running long enough to upload a pretender.

[lch]

DrPraetorious said:
Oh, sure. I'll contact lch in the morning.


I was kinda wondering when you wanted to do that. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif
Good to see you organizing all of this on your own.

[DrPraetorious]

Okay, turns out that Marignon and Atlantis have to be given coastal starts (game will start them on coast even if I try to force them to start elsewhere!) Good thing I checked.

I have work to do and can't finish fiddling with this until tonight, but I'll get the map file and all to lch sometime tonight. Sorry for the delay.

Thanks for hosting, lch!

[Lingchih]

I believe the game will accept a province bordering a large lake as a coastal start. That happened to me once in MP with LA Atlantis. I was placed next to such a lake, a good 12 provinces from the sea.

[Kristoffer O]

So this is the time for me to say if I want to be near r'lyeh or just near a lake http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[BigDisAwesome]

Kristoffer O said:
So this is the time for me to say if I want to be near r'lyeh or just near a lake http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif



We haven't even started yet and he's already threatening me!

There better not be a patch 3 turns into this game with big R'lyeh nerfs and huge Atlantis buffs! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

[Aezeal]

I can't upload my pretender then untill late friday. Thursday I'll not be home... as much as I'd liek to start friday I fear you'll have to wait for me till then, first turn will be in the weekend I guess

[DrPraetorious]

The finalized map, the map file (which only lch needs, but y'all can enjoy), and an empty mod which I'd like to use are all attached in a zip file.

The mod goes in your mods folder, the map goes in your map folder.

I propose that the game be QH with the first forced host in Monday night, to give people time to resolve any as-yet unknown technical difficulties.

[Revolution]

I'm not too sure what color to call it...light yellow? anyhow the far right team (Marignon Pythium I think) it does not seem like the top person (marignon) would have much room to expand...and the bottom right of the map is very open. Perhaps the lower light yellow spot (pythiums start) should be moved down a couple provinces so they can better compete with green for the lower right of the map while allowing marignon more expansion room? In the first image of the map you showed it their start locations had been lower...you mentioned that marignon has to be coastal...but I think the other start could still be moved a bit lower.

I don't know...I could be crazy.

Also, out of curiosity, when I start a new game on the map on the starter provinces there are a couple magic sites that seem to be blank with the name "The Empty Slot" ...what are these?

Still like the map by the way, very nice work.

[Foodstamp]

I don't think my partner is going to be reliable. He is staling his other games and email communication has been too sparse for a team game. I would like to request Baalz to replace him before we upload pretenders.

[Revolution]

I can't speak for coobe but I will just throw in a recent quote from vfb in the game Figment that is currently ongoing where it appears that coobe is staling out.



vfb said:
Bah, Coobe did the same thing in Blessing (Lanka) and Fallacy (TC) and Rhoscrowther (Atlantis) too. Grumble, grumble.



Not great buuut...at least in the case of the Blessing game I think his leaving had to do with issues with the llamaserver...my issue is that when leaving the games he doesn't seem to post in the forums that he is quitting or why he is quitting.

[coobe]

go ahead replace me, if you like

[lch]

Revolution said:
I can't speak for coobe but I will just throw in a recent quote from vfb in the game Figment that is currently ongoing where it appears that coobe is staling out.


vfb said:
Bah, Coobe did the same thing in Blessing (Lanka) and Fallacy (TC) and Rhoscrowther (Atlantis) too. Grumble, grumble.




There was at least one other game on my server which coobe abandoned at some time without any notice, one of the mod nations games I believe. I already had these things in mind when he signed up for Rhoscrowter again (though that game effectively died from lots more people than him staling and vanishing, same with Onomancy), but I am always giving people the benefit of doubt and hope that they pull their act together, this time. Up to his team partner if he sees it the same way, I guess.

[lch]

Hmmm... so, did DrP intend that you upload your pretenders to the server and let it start automatically? I don't like this, I think I will go with my usual procedere. Everybody, please design your pretender god like normally and then send it to me together with the password for it to http://bannerbreak.com/banners/7/736/120601228477475932.gif

If you have trouble finding your pretender files, search the forum or post here about it, if you have trouble deciphering my email address you may ask me via PM for it.

[coobe]

im dropping from the game. have fun

[Baalz]

Never fear, Baalz is here! I'll try to consult with Foodstamp and upload something tonight or tomorrow.

[DrPraetorious]

E-mail to lch is fine by me, certainly.

[Kristoffer O]

Hmm, my mac seems to be at 3.08 level. The dev version should work, since none of the later changes doesn't affect LA Atlantis. I'll have to install 3.15 on windows to get a proper version before I make changes to Atlantis.

[Lingchih]

New video card is installed. Seems to be working brilliantly. I'm good to go. I'll email my pretender once I can decipher that email address.

[BigDisAwesome]

Copy of AllegIV.xcf


What is this file for?

[lch]

xcf is GIMP's image file format. Just a backup, you can delete it.

[lch]

5 pretenders in so far. 40% failed the Turing test. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Aezeal]

it's still friday, and sending now

[Baalz]

Ok, I feel like a heel...where's lch's email address? Got a hot fresh pretender ready to go. Well, actually I'm playing Ermor so I guess she's really not that fresh...

[Foodstamp]

With the uploading of Baalz's pretender, Team Zissou is ready for action.

[Kristoffer O]

I think my pretender is in now.

[Baalz]

Ok, still don't see 1ch's email address and I'm walking out for the evening. Sending my pretender & pass to Foodstamp so hopefully he can submit it for me and not hold up the game.

[Revolution]

could you make a list of which pretenders you received Ich? I'd just like to make sure mine went through.

[Foodstamp]

Baalz said:
Ok, still don't see 1ch's email address and I'm walking out for the evening. Sending my pretender & pass to Foodstamp so hopefully he can submit it for me and not hold up the game.



I submitted for ya http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/cool.gif.

[lch]

Baalz said:
Ok, I feel like a heel...where's lch's email address? Got a hot fresh pretender ready to go. Well, actually I'm playing Ermor so I guess she's really not that fresh...


The page before, page 7. Although three people couldn't decipher it. I fear that they're really robots with bad pattern matching algorithms.


Kristoffer O said:
I think my pretender is in now.


Actually, no, you sent everything including the password BUT the pretender. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif


Revolution said:
could you make a list of which pretenders you received Ich? I'd just like to make sure mine went through.


8.5 pretenders are in now. I'll make a list when I get up. If you sent it, I got it.

[BigDisAwesome]

Ok I just got mine in.

[Kristoffer O]

Oops http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Kristoffer O]

Hmm, this is strange. I can't find my god. Isn't it supposed to be in /dominions3/newlords ?

[Kristoffer O]

Hmm, again. Started a test game with debug log on to find it. Turned out to be in my test game folder. Does that always happen? Seems like a bad idea if you create several gods and have them spread out in test games all over the place. I'd better hear with JK. Unfortunately he's away for a couple of days now.

Let me know if it was the right file or not.

[Revolution]

Kristoffer O said:
Hmm, this is strange. I can't find my god. Isn't it supposed to be in /dominions3/newlords ?



It's in dominions3/savedgames/newlords for me. Maybe you moved your newlords folder out of your savedgames folder and that's why it's saving to the wrong place?

[Aezeal]

can we start already?

[lch]

I have pretenders for the following nations, in order of arrival:

Pythium
Man
Abysia
C'tis
Agartha
Mictlan
Patala
Ermor
R'lyeh
Atlantis

Missing are Bogarus and Marignon.

[DrPraetorious]

That's QM and lingchih that still haven't sent in?

[Aezeal]

I would really like to start.. I'm bored atm, waiting for my other game's turn http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

And monday on tuesday I can't do anything (leaving monday 8.00 dutch time and returning evening tuesday) plz take that into account with hosting.

[Kristoffer O]

Boredom is the beginning of wisdom. When you can no longer be bored you are wise! Or perhaps, when you are wise you avoid becoming bored http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Aezeal]

yeah so I signed up here... lot of good that did me so far..

btw while we are waiting... can you upgrade the AI http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

[Kristoffer O]

Lol

[Lingchih]

No, I've sent in. I'm Pythium. Shovah is playing Marignon.

[Aezeal]

laugh all you want.. but if there is no better AI before the game starts I'll be forced to show your pretender is just that .. a pretender who will bow for my mighty god. (And his side-kick the god of C'tis)

[Peacekeeper]

Aezeal said:
laugh all you want.. but if there is no better AI before the game starts I'll be forced to show your pretender is just that .. a pretender who will bow for my mighty god. (And his side-kick the god of C'tis)



TEAM BIG DAWGZ.

[quantum_mechani]

My pretender should be in now.

[Aezeal]

correction: it should've been in a few days ago http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

..

I know I get annoying when bored http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

[DrPraetorious]

Has anyone been in contact with S32?

Aezeal - big games, team games more than others, take a lot of coordination to get off the ground http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif.

[Aezeal]

ow I just thought 12 pplz had to mail there pretenders... assuming the mail box can handle them all it could all be done on the same day... in the same time 1, 2 or 3 pplz could send in their pretender http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

..

PS don't take your frustrations with me out on my god and his servants please http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

[Aezeal]

When I say my god I OBVIOUSLY mean "the one and only god" for the rest are just mere upstarts meddling in affairs they should not meddle in. (ie my affairs since I'm the all powerfull god and all affairs are mine to start with (and finish with too))

[Kristoffer O]

Frysen ponders the concept of One and Only God.
Frysen shudders.
Frysen rattles.
Frysen gets bored.
Frysen rises.
Frysen waits.
All ends.
Frysen is that He is.

[Lingchih]

DrPraetorious said:
Has anyone been in contact with S32?

Aezeal - big games, team games more than others, take a lot of coordination to get off the ground http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif.



I saw him in the forums yesterday, and sent him a PM about his pretender, but he hasn't responded.

[Kristoffer O]

He's shuddering already!

[DrPraetorious]

No-one has heard from Shovah32? Do we need to find a replacement?

Someone dropped out due to connection trouble just before the last team game started, also.

[Baalz]

FWIW, Shovah32 had some issues staling last team game to (over the holidays admittedly)...

[Lingchih]

He is my team-mate, and we had done considerable research on the team right after the initial post for this game, but I have not heard from him in some time, so if we need to find a replacement, I am ok with it. They will need to be Marignon. I've spent an lot of time on my Pythium build, and don't want to give it up.

[DrPraetorious]

That's fine, yesterday was easter. Let's see if S32 reappears over the next day or so, and over that time let's also look for a replaement, if he doesn't appear?

[Aezeal]

/me disguises as replacement

PICK me

I can help Lingchih a lot http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

[Lingchih]

I saw he was browsing the forum earlier today, and PM'd him again. No reply yet.

[Lingchih]

I chatted with Shovah32. He apologized and said he has been very busy, and said it was fine if we wanted to replace him.

Alternatively, I could drop out of the game, and you could just remove the Pythium/Marignon team. I'm fine with it either way.

[DrPraetorious]

Well, he should post here himself if he wants to drop out. I'm willing to wait - wasn't there another player who can't play until Wednesday anyway? - but if S32 wants to bow out, that's fine. If we're going to remove a start location, it should be the one Atlantis/Bogarus currently have, as that one is most central.

Comments appreciated.

[Shovah32]

Sorry guys, I've had alot of stuff going on and still do - I pretty much forgot about this until Lingchih sent me that message. Go ahead and start without me.

[Lingchih]

I have sent some PM's out for a new team mate. If I do not get one in the next day or so, please feel free to go on without me.

[Micah]

I could hop in, since Rand just finished...Let me know (I actually talked with Shovah about his pretender choice before he decided to drop, so I have an idea what's up) Let me know if I'm in or if someone else is taking the spot. Thanks.

[DrPraetorious]

Micah is in.

Micah, you got the info for where to send pretenders?

[Baalz]

Aw man, can't I go *one* game without having Micah stomp my face in? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif One of these days I'm gonna take you down old man!

[Micah]

I was busy stomping other people's faces in Rand for a long time there Baalz, you missed your window...

I'm about to send a PM to my ally for pretender design info, once I hear back I'll whip up a pretender so we can get going.

[Kristoffer O]

Nice

[Aezeal]

just GET IT ON

I want to see how patala works http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

[Kristoffer O]

pom pom, piddeti-pom! /threads/images/Graemlins/MusicalNote.gif /threads/images/Graemlins/MusicalNote.gif

Hum, hum, huddeti-hum! /threads/images/Graemlins/MusicalNote.gif /threads/images/Graemlins/MusicalNote.gif

[Aezeal]

And I want to attack KO!

[Revolution]

And I want to hop onto a giant sexy prawn and swim into the sunset!

[Micah]

Sent my pretender, let me know if it doesn't get there.

[Kristoffer O]

> And I want to attack KO!

> And I want to hop onto a giant sexy prawn and swim into the sunset!

You will both get your wishes fulfilled. Rev. just need to get himself close to R'lyeh.

[lch]

Okay, all the pretenders are in, the game will start shortly. You'll all get an email with the server info when the first turn has started. Remember to put the placeholder mod into your mod directories.

[Aezeal]

What mod???

[Revolution]

Aezeal said:
What mod???



First post first page, download the attachment, there is the map files and a quickfix315_a4.dm ...throw the quickfix into your mods

[Aezeal]

what does it do?

[Revolution]

Mods:
We will use some kind of hotfix mod, as provided by Edi for v3.15. Even if we don't actually need it, it allows for fixes to be hot-patched in when new patches come out. Can Agartha bless their undead units right now?
Other than hotfixes the mod will not make any changes.

[lch]

Sorry, but there's a problem, so I couldn't start the game yet. KO sent his pretender with a filename that the game doesn't recognize, no number at the end. Renaming fixed that. QM sent me a nation_78_2.2h file which surprised me, but I thought that maybe the devs didn't rename the nation files for the new nations, or something. But it doesn't work in base game and when I tried to recreate it with my Dom3 copy, catgod tells me that the pretender is a vanilla pretender for the "Bogus nation number 78" with no scales, dominion and magic picks at all. I don't think that's right. So QM will have to resubmit his pretender to me before we can start.

[lch]

All done now, the game has started! Have fun! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[DrPraetorious]

Dynatherms Connected! Infracells Up! Megathrusters Are Go! Let's Go Voltron Force!

[Lingchih]

lch, I am shocked and awed by your flash graphs. I guess you will be adding this game to the page at some point?

[lch]

I turned them off especially for this game because it has graphs disabled, sorry. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Aezeal]

ehm I was to be Patala and I entered a patala pretender..

I dont'know and don't want to know C'tis at the moment so please let me be patala (I'm not at home atm so I can't see if it's just wrong on your page and maybe not ingame.)

[Revolution]

If you sent in a patala pretender then you are Patala. Ich just went by order that the names were shown on the first page for the status page I believe.

[lch]

I just copied the player<->nation assignments over from DrP's list on the first post. If you entered a Patala pretender, then that's your nation. I'll correct the stats script, too.

[Kristoffer O]

I haven't received any mail. WIll I get it on my illwinter or hotmail account?

[lch]

It was sent to your illwinter account.

[Kristoffer O]

Oki. No mail there. kristoffer at illwinter dot com ?

[lch]

yup. And the only mail that bounced back was from Micah's Hotmail account, but that was due to another thing entirely.

I'll forward you the mail, but I hope you receive the other turn notifications okay.

[Kristoffer O]

Hmm, for some reason your mail had ended up in my junkbox. Annoying. Now I feel like I have to inspect my jun to see if other mails are missing.

[lch]

If that is the case then please white list the sender address or whatever is necessary so that the mails don't appear as junk.

[Aezeal]

The game of thrones has started

Some fishy person is sending creepy mail to me. I'm not quite sure if he's all right in the head seems like insanity is roaming there, maybe atlantis is role playing R'lyeh? The postman should've heeded the label on my door which says I don't want those unpersonal messages.

I'd go after the sender but my munkeys don't like water and I guess he'd just retreat there so I'll just have to feed my Naga's on the brains of the postmen.

Greetings,
Aezeal of Patala

"Here we come
Walking down the street
We get the funniest looks from
Everyone we meet.

Hey, hey we're the Monkees,
and people say we monkey around.
But we're too busy singing,
to put anybody down.

We go wherever we want to,
Do what we like to do.
We don't have time to get restless,
There's always something new.

Hey, hey we're the Monkees,
and people say we monkey around.
But we're too busy singing,
to put anybody down.

We're just trying to be friendly,
Come watch us sing and play.
We're the young generation,
And we got something to say.

Hey, hey we're the Monkees,
You never know where we'll be found.
So you'd better get ready,
We may be comin to your town.

Hey, hey we're the Monkees,
and people say we monkey around.
But we're too busy singing,
to put anybody down."

In a few words: munkeys make peace, not war

[Kristoffer O]

* shudder *

[Kristoffer O]

lch said:
If that is the case then please white list the sender address or whatever is necessary so that the mails don't appear as junk.



Have done. Everything works fine now.

[Aezeal]

Aezeal, God of all the Universe to be, etc etc

Sees that one of his lesser brothers (the lord of Bogarus) has already fallen in combat, he hopes his followers will realize that this quick demise means he is not the true god of everything. His followers are welcomed to settle in our lands or to take over the realms of Bogarus in our name.

Aezeal, who is of course all knowing anyway would still like to know what happened to his brother.

Greetings,
Aezeal of Patala

"Here we come
Walking down the street
We get the funniest looks from
Everyone we meet.

Hey, hey we're the Monkees,
and people say we monkey around.
But we're too busy singing,
to put anybody down.

We go wherever we want to,
Do what we like to do.
We don't have time to get restless,
There's always something new.

Hey, hey we're the Monkees,
and people say we monkey around.
But we're too busy singing,
to put anybody down.

We're just trying to be friendly,
Come watch us sing and play.
We're the young generation,
And we got something to say.

Hey, hey we're the Monkees,
You never know where we'll be found.
So you'd better get ready,
We may be comin to your town.

Hey, hey we're the Monkees,
and people say we monkey around.
But we're too busy singing,
to put anybody down."

In a few words: munkeys make peace, not war

[Kristoffer O]

Nuvather, God of Bogarus, is not dead. Nuvather has visited Frysen. Only by walking through the gate of bone and ice can you visit Frysen. Other lesser gods are invited to visit Frysen as well.

- Frusen En - Voice of Frysen

[Aezeal]

Yes we'll make sure frysen visits himself soon

- unidentified noble in Aezeal's court (Aezeal himself would never be so rude towards his brothers, obviously)

[Kristoffer O]

Frysen, Wind of Woe, already occupies the Court of Bones. Nuvather has been called to his side to master the secrets of death. Nuvather has proven to be a most adept student.

- Frusen En, Voice of Frysen

[Aezeal]

It might be best to let Frysen sit in his court of boners with his servant Nuvather and have them enjoy eachothers boner. It'll be up to our REAL god to close the aforementioned gate of bone and ice and seal it for all eternity while ruling the rest of the multiverse.

If we'd ever care to see their faces again (however unlikely) we'd just summon them as insane tartarians in about an era or 3-4.

- Royal Jester of Aezeal

(after this the jester was officially reprimanded by Aezeal, who is ever so pretective of his lesser brothers)

[Aezeal]

PPLZ it seems my partner is going to leave the game

-->
Hey, ive become really short on time lately and i dont have time to play my turns. Im going to be seeking subs in my other 2 games and for this one if you like you can play the C'tis turns(my password is "*****") or if you like you guys can sub me out.

Im not sure when ill be able to play again.

-->
I would like a C'tis experienced player to fill in for him http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

and let's not get C'tis staled before this is resolved please

[lch]

Ugh. This early? DrP, I suppose it's your task to hunt subs, hehe. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Lingchih]

Subs Ahoy! Argitoth plays C'tis fairly well. Although he tends to clog up the boards with boastful posts.

[Aezeal]

Ow he and I should go together well then http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

[Argitoth]

I'm a grumpy one. You will find my armies extremely orderly without one mage out of place in any battle. I don't like any nation who thinks they are stronger than me. I like to prove otherwise.

I will sub C'tis if it is allowed.

[Aezeal]

sounds great to me

[Argitoth]

Alright, just waiting for that mod.

Edit: Got it

[Lingchih]

lch, could you please update the status page to indicate Argitoth as the C'tis commander now.

thanks

[lch]

Wow, that's the fastest I've seen a sub being taken. Very nice. I've added him to the stats and notification scripts.

[Aezeal]

now if bogarus could play the friggin turn all would be well http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

[quantum_mechani]

Sorry, I've been unexpectedly parted from my dominions computer the last day or so. I should be able to take my turn about 8 hours from now... if it will host before then I'd appreciate a couple hour extension.

[lch]

I had a look around here on turn 6. Let's just say that some of the things I saw weren't pretty - seems like a few of the senior players are underestimating indies, or something. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Aezeal]

Well I had a little indie problem too, 3 air mages spamming orb lightning are not what I expected and are also tipping the favor fo level 5 indies against my expanding army... but all that is past now and I guess that when I site search there I should find something sweetish

[DrPraetorious]

That was quick - sub filled before I even noticed the vacancy http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif.

I'd definitely like for people to get extensions - provided it doesn't become endemic. Also, when new subs come in it's generally good form to give them an extra day to familiarize, although this early in the game I suppose that may not be needed.

[Aezeal]

yeah Í'm all in favor with extensions, mostly since while I think I usually will do my turn within 12 hours I do have evening and night shifts which can mess up my available time from time to time

[Baalz]

Aezeal said:
Well I had a little indie problem too, 3 air mages spamming orb lightning are not what I expected and are also tipping the favor fo level 5 indies against my expanding army... but all that is past now and I guess that when I site search there I should find something sweetish



Yeah, stupid indie mage lit my lich on fire. :/ Oh the indignity!

[Aezeal]

Then again.. liches are evil and deserve it, my troops (not otherwise specified) are all sweet and cuddly munkey's so they do not deserve it. Not to mention the munkey worship the REAL god not some phoney

[Argitoth]

HEY EVERYONE! AEZEAL'S HOME PROVINCE IS ON #126

CAST SEEKING ARROW! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

[Lingchih]

Umm. Since Aeazeal is your ally, I think we can take this message with a grain of salt.

[Argitoth]

Uhh, Lingchih, because I am his ally, I know where his home province is.

[Aezeal]

Hmm hey I see a capitol VERY close to mine maybe I should conquer that one...

[Baalz]

'tis a special kind of fool who would not only spy on the living dead, but attempt to sow unrest in our ally. Foolish spy, when you are caught your head will be shipped to my capital where you can hold no secrets from the lord of the dead. Once I have heard from your own lips the name of your liege your headless corpse will march along thousands more as I fetch his head to rest beside yours as it is buried in a pit of sand to spend eternal unlife devoid of sensation contemplating the consequences of courting attention of the damned.

[Aezeal]

There are SPIES???

it wasn't me

[Aezeal]

Fellow none-hostile pretenders

What would one do if one would encounter hostile triple blessed (say astral, fire, water) mictlan jaguar warrior or whatever the critters are called.

Any general advice?

[DrPraetorious]

Hostile? You attacked me!

You can already conclude that elephants are not the correct response http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Foodstamp]

LOTS of archers.

[Kristoffer O]

It is with great shock and dismay Frusen En discovered the evil ways of the Jomonese pretender. Surviving the treacherous assassination attempt he now calls every nation to strike against the Pretender of Jomon, most wicked of Lords.

Beware, lest the next ninja attack will be directed against your humble servants as well.

[Kristoffer O]

Heleon, God of Abysia, has been silenced by the will of Frysen. Frusen En, Voice of Frysen, accidentally met the false god on the battlefield and smote him with holy power. Heleon was struck dumbfounded and unable to speak.

All hail Frysen, teacher of philosophy, who giveth and taketh the ability to speak!

[Aezeal]

Dr P it clearly was a mistake let's just shake hands and fight KO

[Hadrian_II]

Praise Abysia, our god has just sworn a vow of silence to show the world his worthiness to ascend to godhood.

@Aezeal, jaguar are elite troops, so the best counter to them is to use your best infantry you can get to fight them.

[Revolution]

Aezeal said:
Fellow none-hostile pretenders

What would one do if one would encounter hostile triple blessed (say astral, fire, water) mictlan jaguar warrior or whatever the critters are called.

Any general advice?



Archers and get up the evocation tree as fast as possible

[Aezeal]

thanks for the advice I'll try that then..

but basicly.. being the neighbour of a 3-bless mictlan is just bad luck anyway right?

[Hadrian_II]

You have just too look stronger than the other neighbours of a triple bless mictlan

[Kristoffer O]

Silence, you! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[Aezeal]

hmmm well in this game there is no real other neighbour is there hadrian http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

[DrPraetorious]

Sure there is. There's R'lyeh to my west, agartha to my east, and bogarus/atlantis to my ally's north. I'm *surrounded* by hatred and menace.

[Aezeal]

those are far away I'm closest
anyway... want peace or not?

[Lingchih]

Pythium hereby declares war on Agartha.

[Kristoffer O]

Haven't Agartha had enough misfortunes in their history. Oh, Frysen, Have mercy on their immortal souls. They should never have left their tunnels.

[Lingchih]

Actually, we already attacked them and routed their Pretender. This is just to make it official.

[Hadrian_II]

Kristoffer O said:
Silence, you! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif



As our pretender went silent, the people started to speak for him loud and clear as a firestorm.

[Kristoffer O]

Let them roar like the fire storm.
Let them roar in despair.
For they are without guidance.

Come to Frysen and the comfort of the stillness of ice and bones.
In the wispering bones guidance and comfort will be found.
Abandon your silent god and embrace the call of Frysen.

[Aezeal]

Hey pplz look KO roleplays a vague wannabe poet http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

[Kristoffer O]

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Foodstamp]

Lingchih said:
Actually, we already attacked them and routed their Pretender. This is just to make it official.



The war is far from over. The Agarthians have learned from the past that it is better to boast after the victory than before the defeat.

[DrPraetorious]

I promise to stay out of this war if the winner agrees to let me have a share of the loser's sun-ripened corpse.

[Aezeal]

Dr P I see you didnt'attack me any further after our li accident
can we arrange a NAP?

[Kristoffer O]

Let it be known that the Devourer of Sins vehemently refute your suggestion.

Issurptut, Voice of Knife Bright Insight in the northern lands.

[DrPraetorious]

I was considering what to do, but Patala just saved me from making the decision by attacking me. I'll sign NAPs with anyone else who wants them, 3 or 6 turns notice as people prefer. Offer is good for as long as I'm at war with Patala provided you don't attack me or my ally first.

[Aezeal]

Ah Dr P, let me be honest.

I actually didn't want to attack you, my ally did say I should. So I made the order and wanted to talk to my ally more... then I did save and quit... and my turn was processed anyway... I was not pleased but couldn't be helped.

but wait do I see next turn.. a 190 persons large ARMY behind the province I took.

So IMHO your mind was already made up, 190 person armies are NOT used to take indies.

PS you must have the most insane kind of luck to get flagellants when having your bless.. as if the jags are not enough to deal with.

[Kristoffer O]

Hi!

How much communication is normally done through in-game messages and PM respectively. I'm finding myself inclined to use in game messages, and a bit unsure if PM's are considered unethical and if so, under what circumstances.

I'm also finding myself roleplaying more in messages than in PM's.

[Aezeal]

ingame is too slow for real communications IMHO only for flavor texts

I'm talking on this forum mainly to get things done

thinks like asking NAP's, agreeing on borders etc.. can't really be done in-game.

[Baalz]

FYI the Highlander game I'm moderating was started with the rule "no out of game communication", which has been seen as very novel, but at least one person left in frustration. I'd say 90% of the communications I get are through the forums and I've never known anybody to feel that was unethical.

[Kristoffer O]

I guessed as much, but I thought it would be nice to know.

[Aezeal]

basicly the ingame communication system is sufficient.. I'm not trying to annoy you or anything http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif just saying...

and don't loose your temper in the game.. wouldn't want that http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

[Baalz]

You play a dangerous game prince of death, taking on the throne of bones. The very throne you so covet is fused from the essence of previous would be regicides, their souls bound to restlessness, their words whispers in my ears for all time. Come, boy, meet true royalty and know fear.

Queen of the Damned

[Aezeal]

now now I've had enough big talk in private from drP so let's not over do it here..

I'm not even sure he knows where he wants to go though... doesn't look like real rush attempt.. maybe he's going after Ermor like he first intended.. hear that ermor.. don't NAP him.. you're next on the list.. where above me actually

No need to thank me for the information

[Kristoffer O]

Frysen does not covet thew throne of bone.
Frysen has a frozen coast full of bones.
There are more bones on the coast than the Arssartut can count. And they count.

We, the people of the frozen coast, on the other hand covet food, and fish have become exceedingly rare in the border provinces. Two out of three fishes are floating with their pale bellies swollen in the darkened sunlight.

The clouds of darkness billowing out from the wasted land has led our seal hunters to the conclusion that you, vile queen, is the scourge of the fish and enemy of the world. For the sake of the piscine lifeforms your unnatural existence must be unmade.

Frusen En, Voice of Frysen