Mega Age II -Kingmaker(Started)

[Zeldor]

But with patch today are you still switching people to other races? IT will be quite sad not to see new races in that game.

[AlgaeNymph]

The patch came out today? Where's the link?

[Zeldor]

It is supposed to come today.

[Falkor]

Xietor, when is the deadline for sending pretenders?

[Xietor]

Here is the deal.

June 1 is the deadline for Pretenders.

Unless the Patch comes out today, we will be starting on June 1 without the new races. If the patch does come out today, dryunda will be playing EA Hinnom, otherwise she is
playing LA Mictlan. But I do not want to do a lot of race switching and lottery picks involving the other 2 new races
at this late stage.

Unless I hear from llamabeast today about the research mod, we will just go with research on the difficult level. While there have been many great ideas about a tiered research mod, with normal research at lower levels and very hard at the top, i guess it has not been that easy to implement.

Maybe with a year to ponder it, we can get one ready for next year's game.

llamabeast was going to make a Kingmaker Mod combining the mod that allows all 3 eras to be played, with the mod that nerfs gem producing items, and bans 4 globals from being cast, and fixes Mists of deception. He was also going to update the Mega Age Mod to include the 3 new races, but if the patch does not come out today, that will be one less item on his plate.

I have sent Evilhomer a PM inquiring if he is still available to replace james 243, but he has not replied yet.
No doubt he fears the wrath of those he killed in last year's Megagame!

However, Gregstrom is ready to step in as the 2nd alternate, and he may be taking Sum1lost's place in any event if he cannot find a sub and notify me soon that he has found one.

[Jazzepi]

Question.

What age are the independents from?

Jazzepi

[cleveland]

Xietor said:
Unless the Patch comes out today, we will be starting on June 1 without the new races.



That's disappointing. The new patch will be out before the game starts. It therefore seems a waste to omit the new races, especially since we've already invested so much time waiting to this point.

Even if it doesn't come out until tomorrow, those playing the new races will still have 3 days to design before June 1st.

New-Race-Players: will you really feel at a disadvantage if you have only have 72 hours to design your pretender?

[Slobby]

Hey there,

I've been working on adding in all the descriptions, briefs, etc. into the single age mod. I should be done before the game starts. Just throwing it out there in case ya'll would like to use it. I imagine Llamabeast could just copy and paste over what he's put together?

[Xietor]

Slobby-that sounds awesome. Send it to Llamabeast and I am sure he will use it.

Pretender Selections were received on May 6, and were completed on May 7. So I think we have been very accommodating in waiting as long as we have for the patch. And while the argument that 1 more day won't hurt has appeal, it can be applied indefinitely. Which is why I set an early starting date of May 15, and a final starting date of June 1.

The game will start on June 1.

1st post should answer the independent question:middle era,
default strength(5).

Edit: I spoke with llamabeast. There have been a myriad of issues arise with the research mod. So we will just use the difficult research setting.

[coobe]

i send my pretender to llamaserver several days ago. should i get some kind of message in return ?

[DrPraetorious]

My spell-level changing mod doesn't work? There might be technical issues or somesuch.

I ought to be able to get something working quickly, although I'm quite busy the next few days.

[llamabeast]

Ah, no, no technical problems with your mod Dr P, I just didn't know it existed! Having found it, it should now be easy to use it for KingMaker if people choose to do so.

Okay everyone, there are a few options for research in this game. They are Difficult, Very Difficult, and Dr P's mod. Dr P suggests using Very Difficult Research and moving levels 2 to 6 down by one (to 1 to 5), leaving level 6 essentially empty (see here (http://www.shrapnelcommunity.com/threads/showthreaded.php?Number=603266)).

Okay, so finally, to summarise, here are the research costs to reach each level for each option:

...........Normal...Diff...Very Diff....DrPMod
Level 1:.....40 .....60.......100.........100
Level 2:....100.....160.......260.........100
Level 3:....200.....320.......520.........260
Level 4:....360.....580.......940.........520
Level 5:....620....1000......1620.........940
Level 6:...1040....1680......2720........1620
Level 7:...1720....2780......4500........4500
Level 8:...2820....4560......7380........7380
Level 9:...4600....7440.....12040........12040

So the research costs under Dr. P's mod are basically similar to the Hard setting for low level spells, and the same as Very Hard for high level spells. Personally I think this is pretty clever, and recommend using it. However, the decision is ultimately down to Xietor. Since he has already said we should go with just Hard research, and the game is now close to starting, he may wish to stick to that decision, which would be a very reasonable thing to do. It is my fault this has not all been worked out before!

[llamabeast]

Bah, the forum has scrambled my formatting. Hopefully you can make sense of my carefully constructed table.

Edit: Replaced all spaces with dots, so hopefully it's comprehensible now.

[Tichy]

It's readable for me.

[llamabeast]

Cool. Thoughts?

[llamabeast]

coobe - you should indeed have received a receipt message from the LlamaServer. If not, perhaps try sending your pretender in again. Also check www.llamaserver.net (http://www.llamaserver.net) to see if your pretender is listed as being received.

[Tichy]

I think I like Dr P's mod. It seems to make mid-game power come pretty quick, but doesn't make mid-game strategies obsolete too quickly. (Says the guy who's always barely shuffling into midgame when everyone else is pooping tarts.)

[Meglobob]

I prefer DrPraetorious mod as well, I think it would make for a better game.

But, respect whatever choice Xietor makes.

[Xietor]

I like Dr. P's mod as well, as long as the 1st level spells can be set at normal. Having 1st level spells on very difficult is all well and good when you are playing the Niefel Giants, but when you are man trying to fend off said niefel Giants, you want lightning as soon as possible!

[DrPraetorious]

Unfortunately, that is not possible.

It *is* possible to set the level 1 spells to level 0 - and I think this is a good idea, myself. But there's no intermediate setting for them.

[llamabeast]

I was also thinking of setting the level 1 spells to level 0. I can't think of anything unbalancing about it. Just seems a bit strange.

[DrPraetorious]

Incidentally, it has been brought to my attention that LA Ulm is not in use.

People may not have noticed this - but LA Ulm got a *big* power boost in the latest patch. The new black priests are extremely powerful, especially in combination with the cool national spells they've been given. LA Ulm will still require finesse to play, but with a forge bonus on E(ESFA) units, you can do some real damage.

[Xietor]

As Llamabeast points out, it is the same amount of research to get to level 2. And you do not get anything at level 1 that is going to slow down a good rush nation anyway.

So after being enlightened, I am fine with Dr. P's mod unless
we get a storm of objections.

[Hellkor]

Sorry, but i'm not going to be able to play http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif

[Xietor]

Sorry to see you go hellkor(: I thought we would lose a few folks before the start of the game as summer jobs, vacations, girlfriends, and other demands on our time, unforeseen a month ago, materialize.

I just hope it is a pleasant unforeseen demand on your time! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

[Lingchih]

Could all the mods be zipped up into a single package for download, or even packaged together in a super mod? Either way, I'm getting a bit confused as to what mods will be in play.

Thanks

[Xietor]

There will be a Kingmaker Mod that will have everything except Worthy Heroes, which will remain separate.

And it is possible that QM may release WH 1.9 before June 1.
Otherwise we will just use WH 1.8. The Pretender Bug is annoying, but I doubt anyone selects the Hornblower to lead their race!

[Jazzepi]

Xietor said:
There will be a Kingmaker Mod that will have everything except Worthy Heroes, which will remain separate.

And it is possible that QM may release WH 1.9 before June 1.
Otherwise we will just use WH 1.8. The Pretender Bug is annoying, but I doubt anyone selects the Hornblower to lead their race!



Could you please create a /single/ zip with everything that we need in it? All the maps, and all the mods? This would be extremely helpful to me.

Jazzepi

[Hoplosternum]

Do we (the players as opposed to the Llamabeasts server) actually need any of the mods as they don't affect Pretender design? Don't we just need the map file?

And Dr P's spell research looks good to me.

[atul]

We'll need all the mods to play the turns.

Incidentally, now that the patch is out, how are we handling this? Does the game start with 3.17, what's the situation with llamaserver? And should everyone resubmit pretenders as per KO's post couple pages ago?

[AreaOfEffect]

I'm also in favor of allowing first level spells to be put as zero level spells. Then again, that's mostly because that was my exact suggestion a month ago.

Glad to know my conclusion was the same as those that thought of it independently.

[Zeldor]

Patch arrived.

[AlgaeNymph]

Hey, Xietor, I have a pretender ready for Hinnom, if you're still accepting that nation.

[Zeldor]

They are overpowered, stop him!

[coobe]

should i play ashdod now ?

[Xietor]

Dryaunda, if you want to play your new race, you have until June 1 to get the pretender selection in. I was not trying to be unreasonable or deprive you of your 1st selection.

That will open up la mictlan for Evilhomer, who is selecting that race if it opens up. So there were a lot of "ifs" involved with the race selection, which is why i needed to make a decision. But it turns out the patch is out, and you have time to make your pretender, so all is good.

Coobe, it was my belief you wanted Midguard because you liked Midguard. Not because the patch was delayed. I just woke up, and I have not had any coffee. We will have a very limited lottery for the 2 new races.

Anyone wanting to trade their existing race for a new race THAT DID NOT GET THEIR 1ST SELECTION, knowing the time constraints in getting in a pretender send me a pm. It is 9 am New Orleans time right now. Lottery will be closed 9pm tonight new orleans time. New Orleans is -5 GMT.

At that time the winners will be announced. But in the interest of my sanity, there will be no further switching of races. So if KO gets a new race, that frees up Yomi. but if you have say Man, you cannot switch to Yomi. Sorry.

[AlgaeNymph]

Xietor said:
Dryaunda, if you want to play your new race, you have until June 1 to get the pretender selection in.

That's plenty of time, especially since I've sent in the pretender just now. (Hopefully, Invalid nation name! won't have any problems.)

My real concern is that my early game strategy will be too good and get an alliance after me. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

[llamabeast]

Yeah, I'll fix the "Invalid nation name!" later on, when I've looked at what the filenames are called for the new races.

[Xietor]

you can always change your pretender selection up until the time the game starts. So if you decide you want a Master Lich, instead of some insane blass, feel free to change your selection! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/smirk.gif

If I was an evil person I would start you , Dr. P, and Evilhomer out next to each other in an insane Bermuda Triangle of Blessed destruction!

[chrispedersen]

Will the heroes be modded for the new nations?

[llamabeast]

No, I don't think so. So they will be at a marginal disadvantage there (depending on how much you like heroes and whether you take a luck scale).

[Kristoffer O]

They have quite good heroes as is.

Edit: and Gath has numerous of not always good ones http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Xietor]

good job on the new races btw KO. They look good.

[Meglobob]

Yea, well done on the new races, just been playing Hinnom, the unit/leader grapics are excellent.

I am a little amazed at how powerful the nation is, size 6 trampling chariots with decent morale, hornblowers to raise there morale further. Excellent bless troops/mage leaders, the E9 N8 bless works as well for these giants as any other, really powerful blood mage, magic diversity.

Got some race there Dryauda!

Do we need to resubmit our pretenders with the 3.17 version?

[Xietor]

cool beans! Virtual dice. http://www.random.org/dice/?num=2

The roll off for Ashdod will commence in 12 minutes.

There are 3 contestants thus far.

1. Gregstrom-9
2. DonCorazon-7
3. chrispedersen-6

Dice rolls will be duly recorded when the momentous event occurs. Gregstrom is playing Ashdod.

Dice rolls for gath
1. Chrispederson-8
2. Doncorazon-2(:

Gath: Chrispedersen.

[DonCorazon]

Doh!!! The world will know my wrath! Prepare for triple-blessed Utgard giants!!! Argh!!!!

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Xietor]

I am sooooo tempted to take the ultimate challenge and play Man on a 900 province map. With a zero percent chance of winning, do you think people would have mercy on my nation?

The sympathy factor! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif

[Lingchih]

As you are the organizer and administrator of the game, I imagine that we could come to an agreement not to bless rush you.

[Xietor]

I imagine i would get little sympathy unless i had an sc awake pretender and evoc 2 quickly researched! heh.

[chrispedersen]

Hey now, so whats the schedule on things. I'm setting up a pretender as we speak = )

[llamabeast]

Everyone should start sending in pretenders with some urgency - starting in a couple of days.

Also the mod will be out soon (I was hoping today, but that may not prove possible). You won't actually need it till the game starts though.

[Folket]

I can send my and Evilhomers pretender tomorrow.

[Salamander8]

Is the map file going to be fixed/combined with something else? I tried to re-DL it this morning to see if it would work better for me this time, but mediafire told me it's gone. Since my first DL of the map doesn't have a real file type, I thought I'd try again, but no luck.

[coobe]

is there some way to check if my pretender really arrived ?

[Xietor]

the map file link still works and is on the 1st post of the thread. only 32 downloads so far.

you just need to have it in your map file. the game should work for you. if anyone has trouble with the 1st turn, we will get it sorted out before we host to turn 2.

You can check what race have sent in pretenders at llamaserver. Coobe, you have not sent in a pretender, neither have I, or KO.

I am trying to actually think of a strategy whereby i could survive a rush by the new ea race with their chariots. Since I can't, i may as well turn something in, or be a sacrificial goat and play Man.

For late age:

http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=KingMaker_Late

[DrPraetorious]

You can actually change map images mid-game with no problems, so if anyone has the version of the map which I partially prettified, and perhaps has more graphic talent and can do some more work on it, that'd be good http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

I've reached and exceeded the limits of my skills making the N/S wrap look acceptable.

EDIT: the mediafire link at the root of the thread does work, but the file in the archive is missing the .rgb file extension, which I think you need.

[Baalz]

Xietor said:
I am trying to actually think of a strategy whereby i could survive a rush by the new ea race with their chariots. Since I can't, i may as well turn something in, or be a sacrificial goat and play Man.




Depends on your nation of course. With Man, simple lighting bolt spam should be sufficient, they don't have nearly the hp of elephants though they cost almost as much so you'll see them in similar numbers. 6-8 eagle eye buffed lightning spammers should be pretty devastating to them I'd imagine - if you're not gonna see more than about 20 of them for a rush and you can kill 3 or so per round on top of what your infantry can do and it takes them 4-5 rounds to close and fight through your PD...well, they're not gonna be too scary by the time they hit your reserves behind your PD. Tangling vines should work decently to string them out as well and let your high damage dealing troops deal with them piecemeal. Tramplers are a whole lot less effective when they don't hit in a big wall of flesh and instead each one gets surrounded.

If you stuck with Arco no worries, just a couple of your own elephants would stop them from trampling long enough for your mages to do whatever it is you have researched (lots of choices).

[Salamander8]

Can I just edit the properties of the file I do have and change it's extension to .rgb then? If not I'll try to DL it again when I get out of work.

[llamabeast]

coobe: Yes, just check www.llamaserver.net. (http://www.llamaserver.net.)

[Xietor]

I emptied out my map file and downloaded the link and it does not have the right rgb file. Why people insist on using these strange programs when map editing I do not know!

I need to run now, but I will get a proper link up when i return.

[Herode]

Salamander8 said:
Can I just edit the properties of the file I do have and change it's extension to .rgb then?


Yes, I also had to manually add the rgb extension

[Xietor]

I put up a new link to the map file. It downloads into your map folder as a rgb file now. Sorry. I guess it was user error on my part(:

More importantly, after weeks of deliberation, my pretender for LA Arcoscephale has been sent in. Ruin. Rush me at your own peril. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/evil.gif

[Slobby]

Sadly there seems to be a character max for #descr. As a result some nations have their narrative cut short. I don't know if it can be fixed so the mod I made to add in all the descriptions is 'incomplete'. Anyone have any ideas how it can be fixed?

[Lingchih]

I'm dropping out of the game. Sorry for the late notice, but in going to upload my pretender, I just noticed that since I am playing LA Pythium in another game (and doing well), the file transfers could become a problem. I might send the wrong LA Pythium to the wrong game. It's just too problematic for me, since I receive my emails on my mac, but then transfer them to play the turns on my PC.

Have a great mega-game everyone. Sorry I could not participate.

[Gregstrom]

Interestingly, I have joined kingmaker_mid as the exciting 'Invalid Nation Name!'. Will this affect my start?

[Amhazair]

llamabeast said:
Yeah, I'll fix the "Invalid nation name!" later on, when I've looked at what the filenames are called for the new races.

[Xietor]

Players should be getting their pretenders sent in! Tomorrow is the last day to send in pretenders. Given the amount of time to get them in, no delays will be granted to anyone not having a pretender in by the June 1 deadline.

6 alternates have already made it in. The next 5 are:

1. Agema
2. Bananadine
3. Ironhawk
4. Aezeal
5. Aethyr

Signed up as a sub-ylvali(if neeeded).

[moderation]

What time are the pretenders due tomorrow?

[Amhazair]

I think the Llamaserver is beginning to grow tired of me. I just submitted a new pretender for the third time. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

So many choises, so many options...

[Xietor]

If I was evil i would start Amhazair and Evilhomer out next to each other. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Yeah i think i tried about 40 different pretender/scale/magic combinations. Then when I saw EA Hinnon everything went out the window.

Pretenders are due by June 1. That means when the clock strikes midnight in New Orleans (-5 GMT)(Kingmaker runs on New Orleans Time), a sub will have your spot. No lie. There is no reason after 3.5 weeks to wait until the last minute to send in a pretender.

[Amhazair]

Xietor said:
If I was evil i would start Amhazair and Evilhomer out next to each other. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Not again! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/Sick.gif

[Xietor]

I thought you wanted revenge? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/confused.gif

[Amhazair]

Sure I want revenge. I'll mastermind it, while some poor sod who neighbours him takes the blows. Sounds fair? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Folket]

I have sent my pretender now.

[Xietor]

Come on MA Atlantis, send in your turn. Must have 6 water races. My great fear is I get stuck playing MA Atlantis(: /cry. I would not even know where to begin.

I may make evilhomer/folket team play 2 races! One being ma Atlantis.

[Baalz]

I'll play Atlantis. And...er...Oceana. >:)

[Xietor]

Bah. 1 person cannot play 2 races, but 2 persons can!

[Xietor]

I am looking over the Kingmaker Mod and testing it a bit. Clams are very steep. 4w2n equates to 25 water 10n for 1 clam.

of course with a hammer the cost is reduced to 18 w 7 nature.

The other gem producing items are only raised 1 path, which is a smaller increase then clams. Clams being much more game changing with the wish. Thoughts on the 4w 2n clam?

[Twan]

I think fetishes will be the main magical economy items with these settings. For 30 gems you can make 2, when a clam cost 35 (then alchemize or trade the production for pearls if you want).

It may be a bad point for balance as the few nature/fire nations (or lucky players finding enchantress) are the only able of large fetish hoarding (taking a n/f pretender isn't sufficient as there is no fire/nature summon like the naiad allowing to go from one fetish a turn to many).

Then the good point is : it's harder for Rlyeh and other wish capable nations to make them. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[Zeldor]

Internet was down yesterday, stupid Chinese...

I will do some final tests and upload pretender in few hours http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif I fear there are only bad and worse options here http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

[Jazzepi]

Twan said:
I think fetishes will be the main magical economy items with these settings. For 30 gems you can make 2, when a clam cost 35 (then alchemize or trade the production for pearls if you want).

It may be a bad point for balance as the few nature/fire nations (or lucky players finding enchantress) are the only able of large fetish hoarding (taking a n/f pretender isn't sufficient as there is no fire/nature summon like the naiad allowing to go from one fetish a turn to many).

Then the good point is : it's harder for Rlyeh and other wish capable nations to make them. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif



Fetishes are considerably worse than clams. They're terrible amounts of micro, they cost you upkeep because you have to put them on disposable commanders, and fire gems are probably some of the worst in the game, unlike astral which can be used to wish, or to be alchemized.

Jazzepi

[Meglobob]

Xietor said: Thoughts on the 4w 2n clam?



Probably, a bit too much of a nerf. 3w 2n is probably enough.

Even if it does benefit Baalz and Ma Oceania! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[llamabeast]

I think the 4w 2n clam is good. If you lower the cost much the game is in danger of degenerating into a clam hoarding rush. After all, 18 w is only about 50% more than the standard 11 w.

[Twan]

Jazzepi said:
Fetishes are considerably worse than clams. They're terrible amounts of micro, they cost you upkeep because you have to put them on disposable commanders, and fire gems are probably some of the worst in the game, unlike astral which can be used to wish, or to be alchemized.




Having to make one commander every 9 or so turns and pay him to produce about 7 or 8 fire gems isn't that expensive.

Anyway I agree fetish price is fine as it is, because they have some problems clam don't have (the main isn't having to recruit commanders, but having to wait 1 to 3 turns before a fetish produce gem each time you change the owner - as they only work well on commanders with several afflictions- it may balance the cost difference, as long the fetish hoarder don't have access to commanders with more than 10 hp).

The only thing I was saying is : if the few nations able to fetish hoard base their strategy on them (with players supporting the microgestion) they may have a consequent advantage as, even if you want to finally produce other gems, making 7 fetish is better than the 3 clams you'd have for the same price - and especially as, with our number of players, finding trade partners interested by fire gems and paying more gems than alchemy for them shouldn't be extremely hard).

[Baalz]

After making a fetish farm once I will *never* do that again because of the micro involved. I got so fed up with trying to figure out each turn who was close to death that I ended up forging rings of regen for each of my fetish holders...:/

[ano]

I had something like a 100 fetish economy in a recent game as Lanka and it was pretty good, believe me http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif. Yes, it requires micro but why are you afraid of it. Outcome of a fetish is even bettee than outcome of a clam not only because of alchemizing fire gems to pearls but also because there're several very good endgame fire spells (Flames form the sky being the most obvious) that can really ruin the day of any attacker.
Also one of the biggest fetish-hoarding nations is Machaka who has even less problems with them as Black Sorcerers never die of disease and don't gather many other afflictions when diseased. Also nations with healing like MA T'ien Ch'i may equip cheap researchers with fetishes and set some Apothecaries to constantly heal. Your mages will almost never get feeblemind (mute does nothing for mages with one pick) and if you remove a fetish when mage has 2-3 hp he will most probably stay alive and may be equipped again. So you really don't have to even recruit additional commanders and pay extra upkeep - just use what you have!
I don't even mention nations who have commanders with native recuperation. These have almost no problems at all - just watch them and remove fetish in time.
Yes, it is micro. But it is extremely cheap gem factory as well.

[Xietor]

LLAmabest has finished the Kingmaker Mod. He redid the banners so all the nations look different and spent much work on it. So those who play in the game owe him a debt of thanks.

There are others as well, who contributed mightily, such as Slobby, with the race descriptions, Dr. P, with the research mod, and of course the original authors of the single age mod, gandalf, and the banners and streamers mod, etc.

Llamabeast also reports 52/61 players have sent in pretenders. There is about 12 hours left. And there will be no extensions. Hopefully the rest will get their selections in on time. I still have 2 subs waiting in the wings, who will get 24 hours to get in their pretenders after the deadline passes, then the game will proceed with the number we have.

At a minimum, that will be 54. Though I will pm 3 more subs as well.

[Folket]

I received a pretender file from you, but unfortunately someone else has beaten you to it, and Mictlan has already been taken. Please try again with another nation. This is a list of the nations taken so far (note you can always check this at www.llamaserver.net (http://www.llamaserver.net)):

Can someone kick out the old LA Mictlan pretender?

[Xietor]

are you sure that was not evilhomer? I will ask llamabeast to check.

[Zeldor]

9 still missing? And probably one of them is you? But still a lot... but probably some people were waiting for the patch as there was some doubt if we won't have to submit new pretender files after that. But still, it is few days already.

[llamabeast]

Here is the mod! It contains 3 .dm files:

KingMaker.dm, which we'll use for this game.
sns3.dm, which is Zepath's Standards and Streamers, updated to include the new nations
llamaBanners.dm, which is the same as sns3.dm apart from the fact that a few nations are modified to make them look more distinguishable.

Only the first one is needed for this game (it has llamaBanners built in), but being as you have to download all the banner pictures anyway I thought I might as well throw the other two mods in.

So, the overall contents of KingMaker.dm are:
- Xietor's, banning spells and changing the costs of gem-producing items
- Slobby's completed single-age mod
- Twan's Mists of Deception fix
- A research mod produced with an ingenious script by Dr.P. Spells of levels 1-6 are lowered by 1 level so that these early game spells aren't too hard to reach on the Very Difficult research mode we'll be using. Note that the levels for Construction aren't changed, as it isn't possible to change them. Hopefully this will affect everyone roughly equally.
- Zepath's Standards and Streamers, with new standards and a number of changes by me.

Edit: Removed faulty version of mod. Will upload new version ASAP.
Edit2: Uploaded new version of mod. This is the same file as I have just posted anew several pages on.

[Herode]

Great work llamabeast. Thanks to all modders ^^

[Falkor]

Thanks guys for all the work done!

Question: does Mists of Deception give a Mirror Image now or is taken away from the game?

[Xietor]

If you look in the mod forum, twan describes his "fix" to Mists of deception. Basically it is 9 rounds of Mist spell with phantasmal beasts, ghost wolves, and phantom warriors coming from the sides like the spell howl. Pretty nice fix. 2 air gems, 200 fatigue.

BTW, Llamabeast mentions me as the source of the gem reduction mod language and spell banning mod language. While I did incorporate those into a "kitchen sink mod" that I invented, I can claim no credit for the language that is contained in those mods.

As far as I know either Dr. P or Endoperez, or both had a hand in that.

[Xietor]

EA Atlantis(dedas) has informed me he will not be able to play.

Agema, 1st sub, has graciously agreed to take EA Atalntis, and the relative safety of the water.

[Twan]

There should be a little change to make the MoD fix consistent with changed spell levels :

For my MoD fix mod I had to replace the spells "Phantasmal Warriors" and "Ghost Wolves" by spells named "Summon Phantasmal Warrior" and "Summon Ghost Wolves" (doing exactly the same things) so I could use the originals as chained #nextspells for Mists of Deception (as the #nextspell mod command only work with original spells).

But the other part of kingmaker mod change the level of the original spells, not my remakes.

So "Summon ghost wolves" should get researchlevel 2 and "Summon phantom warrior", researchlevel 1 (research level of "Phantom Warrior" and "Ghost Wolves" original spells are not important as they are no longer researchable)

(I corrected in the attachment, and also added correct descriptions for these spells -I was lazy when making the MoD fix, the descriptions of the remakes just said "as the spell x described in the manual")

[Slobby]

I get this error when trying to run the mod,

Nagot gick fel!
myloadmalloc: can't open./mods/./sns3/ea_arco_icon.tga

How can I fix?

[Xietor]

I get the same error. llamabeast did not include any banners
is my best guess. there are no tga files i see associated with the Mod. I actually went and dowmloaded the sns banners found
on p. 5 of the mod forums, but then got the error for llamabanners.

So I think your best bet is to wait on the updated version. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/smile.gif

[Twan]

edit : xietor was faster

[Meglobob]

It worked for me, after 1 error.

Dumped it all in my mods, got error, then seperated IlamaBanners DM file out of its folder and worked fine in a brief test.

[Tyrant]

Thanks alot for all the work you guys are doing, it's really kinda cool to see the community coming together with contributions from so many kind and talented people. Good job X, your loquacity turns out to be a virtue after all! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Could we please abandon this very long thread and start a new one once we go live?

[Hoplosternum]

Slobby said:
I get this error when trying to run the mod,

Nagot gick fel!
myloadmalloc: can't open./mods/./sns3/ea_arco_icon.tga

How can I fix?



I get this error. I have downloaded both the mods from llamabeast and Twan and then enabled them (in different combinations as there seems to be two Standards mods).

There is nothing in the sns3 or llambeasts folders either in my mod folder or the zipped download.... And I have redownloaded both and no change.

Not sure what to do....

[Twan]

Just wait.

Actually the banners are simply missing in the attached folders, llama should give them to Xietor for a repost.

Some are from the sns mod, so if you have it installed, a game with some nations may work.

But some banners have been made by llama and should be in llamabanner folder (actually empty). These ones are missing in the attachment, and any game with nations using them ends in nagots.

[Xietor]

Llamabeast is likely done working on mods for the day as he is in England. But while the Pretender deadline is set in stone, the game will not host to turn 2 until everyone is squared away and has the mods working.

So no need to worry. Besides I have the same issue, and I am quite certain it is because the banners are missing! The case of the missing banners. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/smile.gif

[Xietor]

Official List of Subs


1.Bananadine
2.Ironhawk
3.Aezeal
4.Aethyr
5.Lingchih

List of available races:

1. EA Pangaea
2 EA Vanheim
3. EA Marverni(formerly Mazel)
4. EA Abysia(formerly Fal)

5. MA Pangaea
6. MA Jotunheim(formerly Big&Scary)
7. MA Ctis(formerly Digress)
8. MA Man

9. LA Ulm
10.LA Pythium(formerly Lingchih)

There are 5 subs. All of you that want in the game are in.
You can play any race listed. First to post that he claims a race gets it. Caveat is you only have limited time to get your pretender selection in. Subs pretender selection is due Tuesday. Not midnight either.

Good luck potential new players!

Note: if you select ea or ma pangaea, you cannot take a turmoil scale. This limitation is because of the unit cap.

[Lingchih]

I will re-take LA Pythium then, since no once else has claimed them. My conflicting game is now done, so I see no reason not to play in this one.

[Aethyr]

I will take EA Maverni

[Folket]

I am certain that Evilhomer has not uploaded a pretender. It most be the guy who was to play Mictlan ealier.

[AlgaeNymph]

Folket said:
I am certain that Evilhomer has not uploaded a pretender. It most be the guy who was to play Mictlan earlier.

Yep, that'd be me, sorry about that. Could somebody boot out LA Mictlan to make room for LA Mictlan?

[llamabeast]

LA Mictlan removed.

So, it seems I missed the banners out of the mod. What a bungle! I blame the stupid zip program I used - what kind of a program includes folders but not their contents?! Unfortunately I won't be able to repost till the end of the day.

[DaveCG]

Glee! I'm so excited, once more (last time I swear) I want to thank everyone for their hard work and just to let you know that I'm on UK time, and I work nights but it shouldn't be too much of a problem, if I don't do my turn before work, I'll do it when I get in, either way, should be alright.

[Zeldor]

Yeah, I really feel like playing now. I did so many tests that I am almost bored with my race. Well, at least early expansion http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Janlm]

hmm do we expect starting this game before the 9th of june? if we do i might need to go find a sub for a few days.

(i'm sorry if this is already stated somewhere earlier in this thread, but it is kinda huge... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif )

[Twan]

Can I make a suggestion ?

As it's extremely unlikely that players would risk anyone in a death match against 61 nations to loot the vanilla trident, can this change (http://www.shrapnelcommunity.com/threads/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=611653&page=0&view=collap sed&sb=5&o=&fpart=1) be included in the KingMaker mod ?

It would make an eventual death match worth to send real champions, no matter the risk of having to fight 50+ others for the reward.

[Bananadine]

EA Abysia for me.

[Digress]

MA C'tis is back on deck unless Xietor decides otherwise.

Had a whole bunch of computer/internet access problems hit me at the same time over the weekend.

[Slobby]

Zeldor said:
Yeah, I really feel like playing now. I did so many tests that I am almost bored with my race. Well, at least early expansion http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif



hehe same here

[Xietor]

The game will actually start tomorrow. Had we not waited on the patch, the game could have started on may 15, but we waited, and with it just coming out, it held up our Kingmaker Mod, and final race selections.

We could not start today anyway due to an unavoidable conflict in Llamabeast's real life schedule. So we will start tomorrow.

We have a very short turnaround for the subs, and I have not heard from 2 of them, so I am going to allow Digress to keep MA Ctis despite missing his deadline by a few hours.

So on the subs we have:

Bananadine-EA Abysia
Digress(keeping MA Ctis)
Lingchih-keeping LA Pythium
Aethyr-EA Marvervi
Aezeal -EA Vanheim

Due to the fact that the game is starting tomorrow, with or without the full compliment of players, if I have not heard from the other 2 subs by 6pm cst, then I am letting the next in line in, QM. They need to post on the game thread to keep their spot. I know it is short turnaround for the subs, and I apologize profusely for that(: But the show must go on.

And there is only 1 more spot left since Digress was allowed to remain in the game as MA Ctis. So one of the subs
will not make it in, though i would be surprised if all of the alternates who posted 3 weeks ago could make it in on such short notice.

[Aezeal]

Vanheim EA for me?

[Xietor]

Ok i think that put us back at 60 players, unless Lingchih cannot get his technical issues worked out.

I just figured out that EA Agartha never sent in a pretender, So GWAR is out, and Ironhawk can still get in if he posts by 6pm, New Orleans time. Otherwise QM is in.

If my Math is right:

EA 23 Nations
MA 20 Nations
LA 18 Nations

55 Land
6 Water

[Aezeal]

2) Download the Mega-age, Worthy Heroes, and Kitchen Sink mods here: (not up yet).

ehm I've not read everything between when I was not included and now... so are these mods somewhere?

I got the map.. nice map can I have the map file too btw ?

[Xietor]

I need to change the 1st Post. There will be a Kingmaker Mod,
and a few posts back llamabeast attaches it. But it did not contain the banners. So we are awaiting that. Llamabeast should have that up tomorrow.

Map file cannot be given because it reveals the exact starting location for 4 nations, and I am quite sure they do not want the other 60 players knowing where their capital lies.

QM says WH 1.9 will not be ready for this game, so we will use wh 1.8. I will post a link to it on the 1st post shortly.

[Aezeal]

hehe what VAnheim heroes are there in WH 1.8 http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

[Fal]

EA Abysia Pretender file sent!

Sorry for the late reply.

[Xietor]

Regrettably, when the day the game was supposed to start passed, and several players had not sent in their pretenders, they were replaced with alternates(: EA Abysia was one of the races that went to a new player.

[BigandScary]

I sent in my pretender(I have been having trouble with e-mails, some get through and some don't) and I was wondering if I am out. I wasn't sure.

[otthegreat]

Oh it just hit me... I'll be gone Wed to Fri this week. I can't believe I never connected that with this game. Must have been because it seemed to take forever for the game to start. I'll post for a sub, but should I bow out for an alternate? Sorry about the short notice.

[Xietor]

Yeah, this part sucks(:

Your Pretender was not received Big&Scary. You can actually check and see if your pretender has been received.
http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=KingMaker_Mid

The problem I faced when June 1 came and went, is that I had no heard from several players, and their pretenders had not been received.

I am sure some had more important real life issues crop up, and some had technical issues like you, but as game admin., at some point I have to move forward with the game.

And having not heard from you, or received your pretender, you were replaced(:

Edit: QM did not want to take your spot since you had technical issues. So you are back in Big&scary.

This has been a high maintenance couple of days. Hopefully it will be on cruise control once the game actually kicks off and everyone gets the mods working!

[Foodstamp]

When does the game kick off? I may want to fiddle around with my pretender a bit more.

[Xietor]

Tomorrow. Fiddle around fast.

[BigandScary]

Well thank you, and thank you especially QM

[Aethyr]

Greetings,

In retrospect, I've not enought time to do this game justice, so I'm withdrawing my name. Marverni's open.

[llamabeast]

Hurrah, I'm back!

Right, we are now three pretenders short (EA: 21 MA: 21 LA: 18). I am at work and in danger of being eaten by my supervisor - hopefully Xietor can work out the correct people to harass.

[Darkwind]

Say, did I miss the start? I checked this thread and apparently it's supposed to start today. I just got a new game and I've spent all week playing it, and completely forgot about this. Who could live without the Bank of Ulm in Kingmaker?

[llamabeast]

No, not started yet. Will start late tonight, UK time.

Emergency call for last pretenders! We're still missing three.

[Salamander8]

Couple of quick questions on the mod file(s):

1:Did we get the missing part posted for DL yet? I didn't see it listed after the first DL.

2:Do we need to make a folder to contain all the bits we DLed, or just stick all these files in the /mods folder? And if we do need to create a folder in mods for these files, what do we name it? Kingmaker?

[llamabeast]

1) No, fail. I haven't had a chance to go home yet!

2) The final zip will have the correct directory structure in it, so you will just have to dump the whole contents into the mods folder.

[Twan]

Don't forget to use the little modif I posted (to avoid to see an air nations protest).

[llamabeast]

Thanks Twan, I will make sure to remember.

[llamabeast]

Marverni is taken by Griefor, and apparently QM is playing MA Man. One spot left.

[llamabeast]

Right, we are now three pretenders short (EA: 21 MA: 21 LA: 18)



Why did no-one tell me that 21+21+18 = 60, not 58?!

So, the game is completely full after all. We are just waiting on QM to get his pretender in.

I am afraid llamacompetence levels are dropping dramatically. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/redface.gif

[Xietor]

QM was just going to play to help us out if needed i think.
If we are one over, then he likely will be fine subbing for someone in the early game. He is no great fan of the late game on large maps.

We have 22 ea nations not 21 Llamabeast, if you count Marverni, right?

So our final tally will be 22 EA 21 MA 18 LE.

Since I got "stuck" with LA arcos, let us hope history does not repeat itself. The LA races were pretty much crushed in the 1st megagame, as a whole.

[llamabeast]

Yes, that's right Xietor. I was just saying that this morning there was in fact one slot left, not three.

[Salamander8]

llamabeast said:
1) No, fail. I haven't had a chance to go home yet!

2) The final zip will have the correct directory structure in it, so you will just have to dump the whole contents into the mods folder.


Thanks Llama!

[seryozha]

Twan said:
Don't forget to use the little modif I posted (to avoid to see an air nations protest).



Sorry, but I miss the point. Which modif are you talking about?

[Xietor]

everything you need will be in the Kingmaker Mod, which will be posted sometime today(waiting on Llamabeast). You will not need anything else, other than the map file, and worthy heroes 1.8. Those are contained in the 1st post.

I was just informed that shinuyama is dropping out(: So I will see if llamabeast can restore the EA Agartha pretender
he had to cull this morning.

It is a bit late in the day for me to find replacements. The game is starting as soon as Llamabeast gets home. So anyone else having 2nd thoughts, try to gut out a few turns,
and if your schedule is too hectic, we can hopefully find you a sub. Your 1st few turns only take a minute or 2 to do.

[Twan]

Nothing you really need to know. Just an adaptation of my mist of deception mod (included in kingmaker.dm) to the spell level changes for this game (as I had to create remakes of the ghost wolves and phantom warrior spells, they would have been one level too high).

[llamabeast]

Tum te tum. What happens, I go out for a few hours and someone drops out! It's like herding cats, honestly.

Well, I am waiting half an hour to try to find a replacement (bask in my commitment, it is well past my bedtime). In the meantime I will post the mod here in a second.

[llamabeast]

Okay, here is the mod. Just place the entire contents in your dominions3/mods folder. I've included Worthy Heroes 1.8 as well, for convenience.

[Slobby]

Works, thanks llamabeast! What mods will need to enabled to play? kingmaker & wh?

For the saved game directory should I follow llamaserver and have a folder called kingmaker_early? Or just kingmaker?

[Xietor]

The game I think will just be Kingmaker, though it really does not matter what name you call the game in your saved games folder.

There will be 2 separate mods to be turned on

Kingmaker, and Worthy Heroes 1.8.

[llamabeast]

You don't have to turn the mods on yourself though.

Right, I am just restarting the game with nozshand's EA Agartha pretender, and we will be good to go.

[Xietor]

Right. if you want to test the mods though, those are the 2 the Kingmaker game is using. And I just successfully started a game with the Kingmaker Mod. It works!

If you are a sub for a player, in order to receive the turn, I need your email address and the race you are subbing for.

Indypendent is the sub for sum1lost, but i do not have an email address. And I think there is 1 other sub starting for a player.

Unless the player or sub gives me an email address, llamaserver will mail the turn to the player who submitted the pretender. And if that is not who is doing the turns, a stale will result.

[DrPraetorious]

Infracells Up! Megathrusters Are Go! Let's Go Voltron Force!

[llamabeast]

What Dr P said! Hurrah! Everyone should now have received first turn, via the aether. How exciting!

The intructions in the e-mail itself should be fairly self-explanatory, although if you have any uncertainties please read my FAQ. Note that in order to play you will need the mod (see a couple of posts up) and the map (linked in the first post).

Xietor, as some people have requested, perhaps you may wish to start a new thread now the game has started?

[Xietor]

One thing, the game will be going to 24 hour host once everyone gets the mod downloaded and we make sure everyone is
situated.

Yes we can start a new game thread.

[llamabeast]

I'll let you start the thread Xietor.

Well, my turn is in. What is everyone playing around at? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

I am off to bed now. Goodnight all.

[Cor2]

I had to manually rename the map file to get it working. Did anyone else have to do this?

[Foodstamp]

I downloaded the mod but I think it is missing some graphics. I get an error looking for an independent flag graphic at the start of the game.

Can someone direct me to the file with the modded flag graphics?

Thanks

[Xietor]

The mod worked fine for me, and i sent in a turn already. Let me look in my mod file and see what is what there. And I got the worst starting spot(: No one can accuse me of rigging that. Wait till you see it later in the game. /cry.

Ok you should have lots of banners in the file folders named llamabanners and sns banners?

[Foodstamp]

I may have downloaded the wrong mod. The one I downloaded was attached to llamabeast's last post with an attachment. I will start scouring the 44 pages for another one.

[Xietor]

yeah i need to put a copy of the mod on the 1st post. llamabeast has a couple versions floating around in the thread. The correct one is the one right above this post.

[Revolution]

I'm not sure if it's a mod issue or what...but I don't seem to have a start location. I see myself in the pretenders of the world list and I could send messages to people if I wanted to, but I have nothing in my nation overview and no province under my control. Is it possible that MA Tien Chi was not assigned a start location or did I just mess something up with my mods?

[Xietor]

I have put what i hope is the barebones Kingmaker mod in the 1st post. Llamabeast included a few other mods in with it, and i tried to parcel those out.

All races got a starting province, unless there were more races than starting spots-which should not have occurred.

I just recounted the number of designated starting provinces on the map-61. As long as we had 61 or less races, everyone has a starting province.

It is like 2 am in London, so we need to wait until tomorrow before llamabeast can actually "look" and see what happened to ma tien chi.

[Cor2]

Revolution said:
I'm not sure if it's a mod issue or what...but I don't seem to have a start location. I see myself in the pretenders of the world list and I could send messages to people if I wanted to, but I have nothing in my nation overview and no province under my control. Is it possible that MA Tien Chi was not assigned a start location or did I just mess something up with my mods?



That is BAD. I have seen this before. It means you had no valid start location. You will be dead next turn. Sounds like we need a restart http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/rant.gif

[Xietor]

while i would not mind a reroll as my starting spot sucks, there is no reason with designated starting spots, for any race to not have a starting spot. We will have to ask llamabeast tomorrow(:

I just counted the races-there are 61 races. So I am stumped.

[Lingchih]

61 nations listed.

[DonCorazon]

Revolution said:
I'm not sure if it's a mod issue or what...but I don't seem to have a start location. I see myself in the pretenders of the world list and I could send messages to people if I wanted to, but I have nothing in my nation overview and no province under my control.



Have you seen the 6th Sense? I didn't want to be the one to have to tell you but you actually lost. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Lingchih]

I got an awesome start location. Too bad I don't get to keep it now.

[Xietor]

I think I found the issue and I am at fault. When editing the map, I designated a province to be a starting location that was a "no start" on the existing map file because it only connected to 1 province. After adjusting the neighbors, it was a good starting location, but I neglected to click off the "no start" designation. So it had both a designation as a starting spot, and a no start designation.

Maybe that is the issue?

[baruk]

I can't get the map file to show up in the list. Do I need to rename it? It is called kingmaker_wrap.rgb at the moment.

edit: Right, I'm with you now. Seems to work fine.

[Cor2]

What do you mean list? You need the .map file for it to show up, and it has not been released.

[Xietor]

the rgb file is all you need to play the game. The map file would allow you to start your own games on the Kingmaker map.

That is not being allowed at this time as 4 races have specific starting locations, and everyone would know them if the map file was released. Two races KO said needed specific starting spots, and 2 water races that struggle to get on land were started in the biggest body of water.

[AlgaeNymph]

Is it just me, or are the provinces on the left/right edges of the map not wrapping around?

[Lingchih]

No they are not wrapping around. And there seems to be about a 30 pixel gap there too.

[Wokeye]

The end of the world?

[Cor2]

LOL

[Digress]

Its a north-south wrap around map.

[Jazzepi]

Dr. Praetorious is officially fired from the one and only cartography institute of the Land of Kings.

Jazzepi

[Zeldor]

But hmm... we won't need new rgb file, right? Just small changes to map file? I am still downloading rgb, just 2 hours left! My net went down 4 times in 4 last days.

[Revolution]

If I'm the only one with an issue don't worry about restarting for me...it's a pretty monumental task getting everyone to get their pretenders in and get organized and I wouldn't want everyone to have to go through all that again on account of me.

[Xietor]

yeah, rgb file will remain the same. will not be any need to download anything new. Fix will be on llamabeast's server.

Dr. P said it was only going to be a n/s wrap. He said for it to be an e/w wrap as well, he would have to be guaranteed to start next to jazzepi! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

"And there seems to be about a 30 pixel gap there too."
Um, that is what they call a border.

[Zeldor]

Nah, you'd just pay 50% of your income if I get worse starting location.

[Zeldor]

Hmmm... Construction was not affected by spell mod?

[Xietor]

Dr P did the spell mod.

[DrPraetorious]

Construction is not changed by the spell mod, since it messes up the even/odd symmetry if you can't move the items (and you can't). Could've changed the spells anyway, and left the odd-numbered levels empty, but decided not to do so.

I did the *artwork* on the map, and the technical work needed to make it wrap. I acknolwedge that the artwork was not as nice as it might have been - but it's functional. Anyone who wishes to pretty the image file up can do so; people can swap images out mid-game with no problems as long as the white province pixels don't move.

The start assignments were all done by Xietor so blame him for the problems there http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

E/W wrap would've required me to change province #s *if* I had added provinces in the gutter. Since I didn't, I suppose I could've done E/W wrap instead, but N/S was safer.

[Hoplosternum]

So we are restarting? I have finally managed to download all the right mods and maps to make the game work.

The game had my old pretender in as well http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif The new one seemed to be accepted yesterday but didn't make it in to the game.

[Xietor]

are we restarting?

I think we should since revolution would not get to play if we do not(: But I do want to chat with llamabeast before making a final decision.

btw pretenders would not have to be resent revolution. Basically no one would have to do anything except I would neeed to get the starting provinces issues fixed(hopefully with llamabeast's assistance).

The gist of the problem is we had 61 players, and only 59 starting locations, due to oversights on my part.

[sum1lost]

In the resent file, MA Mictlan does not have a starting point.

EDIT: In the original file, too.

[Ossa]

Me also doesnt have a starting pos;)

[Gregstrom]

Is it me, or has mediafire dropped the kingmaker map? Clicking the link on their site gives me an error.

[Cor2]

It was working this morning.

[llamabeast]

Fear not all, I'm conscious again. It seems there were some errors in the .map file (which only I have, so you won't need to re-download anything). So I will correct those and do a restart, which happily is quite a quick thing to do.

[llamabeast]

Okay actually I won't be restarting straight away. It turns out the underlying issue on the map is that we are short two start provinces, due to some miscounting (it seems both Xietor and I have a tendency to miscount by 2 http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif ). So we need to find two more locations to use as start provinces.

Xietor is presumably asleep at the moment, so I expect we will be restarting tonight, European time.

[Amhazair]

You are sure there's only 61 players in the game atm, right? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

Pity though. I kinda liked my start position.

[Folket]

Evilhomer will play from now on, so make sure to send him the trn files.

[Zeldor]

Heh, some starting positions have 7 neighbours and others just 4 http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif

And what resent file? I just got one file and some people are talking about 2.

[Reay]

We are starting again? So I guess I won't bother doing my turn.

I had such a good starting position. Bugger! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/Injured.gif

[Zeldor]

I hope I get yours then? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif


P.S. What are the victory conditions anyway?

[llamabeast]

Okay, we should be restarting this evening (UK time).

Also, we had an idea to increase interest in the Arena Death Match. The winner of the death match will receive 1000 gold. I'll include a hidden extra nation (which will be unreachable), which will exist just to pay the reward.

Hope everyone's keen on this idea, I think it will add a cool bit of extra spice.

[Xietor]

The problem, at least with me, is not one of an in ability to count. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

What occurred is I had 3 spots listed as starting spots that were invalid I think. The special start provinces for la atlantis and la marignon also appeared as start provinces that any race could receive. Hence i think the computer tried to assign 2 races to those provinces but la atlantis and la marignon were already there(: This in addition to the 1 province that was originally labeled a "no start' that i forgot to uncheck after fixing its neighbors and making it a designated start.

So in all I do think 3 of the 61 starting spots were screwed up. And 1 fix is very easy, and the other is not as it requires finding 2 new starting locations(:

As to equity. with some people have 7 neighbors and some having 4, that is unavoidable. You are always going to have good and not so good starting spots. Everyone had at least 4 neighbors except la atlantis, who only had 3, but la atlantis has a very good starting spot imho regardless.

With me having to add 2 new spots, i can make no promises about those.

My sincere apologies for the delay.

[Hoplosternum]

Hi Llama, will I get either the pretender I sent last night or any of the three I sent this morning? I am not sure they were accepted though now http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/fear.gif

Or the one thats a bit rubbish I got in the first start....

[Xietor]

I think you can update pretenders anytime before the game starts, but the game has actually started now. So you may need to send llamabeast a pm and work something out to change your pretender at this time. I do not think you can just send in a pretender now and expect it to update since as far as llamaserver knows the game has commenced.

Good News. Thanks to the mighty graphics of Ballbarian, I was able to see a yellow dot on the map where a starting capital should have been, but was inadvertently omitted from the map file. So there will only have to be 1 new spot found for a starting capital.

[Zeldor]

I am sure you can place Hinnom and Niefel really close to each other http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif Or make a small island with Hinnom, Niefel, Utgard, Ashgod and Jotun.

[Gregstrom]

The land of the giants, eh? But what about Fomoria?

[Xietor]

if you look on the map, you see a 1 province island in the middle of a large lake. there you will find EA Hinnom. In time, with their technology, they will learn how to build ships and invade the coast!

[chrispedersen]

I like the idea of providing a reward llama - but I am opposed to executing it.

The game was formed - and pretenders designed - with certain conditions. Making this change gives an advantage to those who chose awake pretenders.

I would love to participate in such a game, at a later date. However, I think it ill advised in a game that is already set up as the epic confrontation of our time.

Leave it as advertised..

[chrispedersen]

Regarding the restart...

Why did all the territories around my capitol have flags?
I've never seen this before...

[coobe]

you always have neutral flags around you. in the mod the just appear bigger

[Twan]

Considering the chances
a) to have a death match before most pretenders awaken (perhaps some before the imprisoned gods... but I doubt monoliths can win anyway)
b) to see someone risk his awake pretender, key of initial expansion, even for 1000gp, against 50+ potential other champions in an early death match
c) to see this succeed and the pretender still usable for anything with his dozens of afflictions

I tend to disagree with these objections.

Now it may be decided that the reward will be lower if DM happen before all pretenders are in play, or before turn x, or something like that.

[llamabeast]

chris - anyone who sends their pretender into the arena is either a fool or very brave. I can't see that it can be very unbalancing, because I can't think of a reasonable way to be sure of winning against 60 other contenders. So I think the added interest it will add to the game will far more than counterbalance the (admittedly not ideal) last-minute-addition factor.

I mean, imagine seeing a 60-duel arena fight!

[llamabeast]

I am open to some kind of scaling of reward with turn number. That would help with later deathmatches to keep them relevant too. If anyone can come up with a cunning scheme I'd be interested.

[Zeldor]

Yeah, most people have to ask though if they want to give one of the giants 1k gold just to see few of them die.

[Xietor]

In the interest of complete disclosure(and the map file used will be made public at some point in the game), one additional
starting spot was added. Regrettably this spot only has 3 neighbors(: As compensation one of the provinces adjoining the capital was coded to have a couple of mines.

For reasons I will not disclose now, a specific race was designated to start at this new location(and no it was not me) but the reasons were explained to the the person playing said race in a pm, with my apologies.

Of course anyone wanting to volunteer to start in the new spot and have a guarantee of 2 mines in an adjoining province let me know, and the spot is yours!

[Zeldor]

What mines? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Xietor]

i aint saying what mines. maybe they are copper, maybe they are gold, maybe they are iron. who knows?

[chrispedersen]

Were the neutral flags changed so they look like something else?

[chrispedersen]

llamabeast said:
chris - anyone who sends their pretender into the arena is either a fool or very brave. I can't see that it can be very unbalancing, because I can't think of a reasonable way to be sure of winning against 60 other contenders. So I think the added interest it will add to the game will far more than counterbalance the (admittedly not ideal) last-minute-addition factor.

I mean, imagine seeing a 60-duel arena fight!



Disagree.

Anyone that has a recyclable pretender - for example a wyrm with no magical paths.

Sure, I wouldn't Deathmatch a wyrm in the first few turns either. But around turn 8-10 - when I've run out of free expansion - sure I would.

In many cases, dominion doesn't matter - but the chance of SC kiling does.

[Griefor]

Xietor said:
i aint saying what mines. maybe they are copper, maybe they are gold, maybe they are iron. who knows?



Oh god. They're landmines aren't they?

[Falkor]

Xietor said:
Of course anyone wanting to volunteer to start in the new spot and have a guarantee of 2 mines in an adjoining province let me know, and the spot is yours!



I'd like to take that spot. Just keep the location for yourself, please. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[chrispedersen]

It would be cool if the owners of an arena could execut an order - sponsor deathmatch. And announce both a cost and a prize purse.

The winner gets the prize. The arena owner gets the purse.

Even better, using this approach, you could actually have first, 2nd 3rd prizes.. not to mention lovely door, er coffin prizes.

..but thor... all the buffest fighters will be there.....

[Xietor]

wow! a volunteer to take a starting spot with 3 neighbors.

Done! 2 mines is some compensation though.

[Aezeal]

is it correct that I don't have the correct file yet.. I get a corrupt message.

[Xietor]

we are doing a restart, but you should have a turn 1. only 3 players should have had no starting spots. and no one should have had a corrupt message.

One thing you should be able to do is start a game with the kingmaker mod and worthy heroes mod on. if you cannot do that you need to get the mods straight.

[Aezeal]

I don't need to activate them right? that goes automatically?

I created a kingmaker folder and put the file that was send in there.. that one I try to start

[Aezeal]

ok all is well.. don't know what changed but I re DL and ti works.

[Agema]

So, I got the first turn 01.00GMT today, but I should ignore it as there's a fault, or am I misunderstanding?

[Xietor]

You will receive a second 1st turn. You could do the 1st turn just to make sure everything works.

Llamabeast said he will restart the game as soon.

[llamabeast]

Working on it everyone - hitting some troublesome technical hitches. The kind that make you superstitious, you know what I mean. ("It should work, I did everything the same. Well I'll download that file again, even though I know I haven't changed it, and see if that makes any difference...")

[llamabeast]

With very profuse apologies, I'm afraid I'm going to have to give up and go to bed. I will try again tomorrow evening.

It's all been very strange. Earlier on this evening it worked fine. I got the game started completely okay, apart from a typo on one start site which meant one nation was location-less. The next thing I know, I can't make a single thing work, even if I go back to the files I used for the start yesterday. Utterly bizarre.

But I'm sure when I try again tomorrow it will come together. There is no logical reason for it not to work, so it will succumb to logic pretty soon!

[Cor2]

Thanks for the effort Llama!

[chrispedersen]

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[DrPraetorious]

Chris - you have to turn the mega-age mod off.

Go to options/mods, and disable it.

[Herode]

Yes, I had a bug linked with the mod :

Create God -> EA

1/ With no mods enabled : OK

2/ With streamers & standards llamaversion enabled : myloadmalloc:can't open ./mods/./llamabanners/ea_ulm_icon.tga

OK since llamabanners file is empty, so far...

3/ With streamers & standards enabled : myloadmalloc:can't open ./mods/./llamabanners/ea_hinnom_icon.tga
The same error occurs if I uninstall llamabanners.dm because the sns.dm file has been modified with such lines as :

#selectnation 45
#flag "./llamaBanners/ma_ashdod_icon.tga"
#end

for Hinnom, Ashod, Garth & Bogarus.

If you have these nagodschtroumpf stuff, I suggest as a fast workaround :

- uninstall llamabanners
- uninstall Streamers & standards & reinstall it, or go in the sns.dm file and remove the corrupted lines.
- wait for the updates of kingmaker's mods http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[llamabeast]

No no no, don't do that, just download the latest version of the mod (which is a few pages back). Initially I forgot to include all the graphics files, but now they are all there so you shouldn't get any problems from the mod.

[Herode]

Ha, OK, I missed the update. No more crashes with it (found it in the very first post from Xietor).

[Xietor]

i linked the mod on the 1st post. llamabeast you may want to delete the post that has the version without the banners.

[llamabeast]

I believe I updated my old post with a dud version so that the mod is up to date in both places I attached it. It's pretty hard to find now though!

[llamabeast]

Oooooh! My name comes up black!

3000th post and moderator on the same day eh? Must be my lucky day.

[Xietor]

lol llamabeast!

[llamabeast]

The game is restarted! Yes! I was beginning to superstitiously think it had somehow become cursed, and could never be started.

Somehow, every one of the pretender files had become corrupted in such a way that Dominions would accept them, but would crash if it tried to start a game with them. Leaving one of them in newlords was even enough to make an attempt at a single player game crash. Utterly bizarre, and I have no idea how it could happen. But anyway, having realised they were at fault I just got them down again from the server and restarted. Hopefully all is well now.

[llamabeast]

An unfortunate side-effect of the restart is that you will need a new map file. Sorry about that, I know it's inconvenient to have to get such a big file again. As a bonus though, I did use the opportunity to touch it up a little.

I will attach the map right here in a second.

[Griefor]

A few moments of inconvenience are nothing compared to the months of fun that will be had with this game. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

[Zeldor]

But you started near Niefelheim, I wouldn't be talking about months of fun unless you will sub for someone http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[llamabeast]

Okay, the map is here:

http://www.mediafire.com/?9x2uxxvfkmb

In a few minutes I'm going to start a new thread for the game, so we don't have to go straight to page 50 every time!

[Zeldor]

Ouch, my starting location is really awful. I wouldn't mind if smth went wrong again http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif [sorry]

P.S. I have just renamed my old file, will I miss anything? I try to download now but I get that:
"Invalid Quickkey."
I will try again in few hours...

[atul]

Yay, much improved starting location - this time not middle of the map right between two big lakes! Hopefully nothing goes wrong. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif

[llamabeast]

Zeldor, I don't understand your post. Say again?

[llamabeast]

Right, the new thread is created. I suggest posting there from now on.


3000th post and moderator on the same day eh? Must be my lucky day.



And starting KingMaker too! Really really my lucky day. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/smile.gif

[Cidi]

When I load the file i get the next error message:

"Can´t find map kingmaker_wrap2.rgb"