Glory (MA game)- game is live

[secretperson]

I'd like to start up a new game as I haven't quite got enough of dominions yet http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif
This game is mostly aiming for those who are new or newish players as I myself have only played 1 game and in the process of playing 3. (let it be noted I brutally lost my first game http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif)

Here are the planned details
Age - MA
Map - Glory of Gods (multiplayer)
No. of players - 15
Hosting - 24 hours for the 1st 10 turns then negotiable
Mods - Worthy Heroes
Everything else - default
Victory conditions- hold 9 capitals and their fortifications for 1 full turn

Let's get the sign-ups started!

people signed-up so far:

secretperson- T'ien Ch'i
zenphos-Machaka
Cadel- Vanheim
Xanatos- Ermor
hunt11- Abysia
Bwaha- Eriu
fungalreason- Jotunheim
Hoplosternum- Pythium
kasnavada- Caelum
Niarg- R'lyeh
Renojustin- Pangaea
klagrok- Oceania
chrisedersen- Marignon
Calahan- Atlantis
JimMorrison- Agartha

sign-ups are now done!

E-mail your pretender to the following address. Once again make sure you set a password for your pretender
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If you do not have the worthy heroes mod you can get it here: Worthy Heroes (http://www.shrapnelcommunity.com/threads/showthreaded.php?Number=561063)

[Cadel]

I'll take Vanheim
yay.

[Xanatos]

is this hosted on a server? if so I'm in, i'll take mid ermor.

[coobe]

i would love to join. im not new, but im not a good player and had only like 5 mp games where i was beaten silly in the early/mid game =)

if im allowed to join, i would like to take Ulm

[hunt11]

i would love to join as Abysia if possible

[Bwaha]

i would like to play Eriu

[secretperson]

Still trying to figure out the hosting situation

[fungalreason]

I'd like to join... MA Jotunheim

[Bwaha]

hi so im in sorry to be ignorant but ive got my pretender created, but dont know how to join in this game

[secretperson]

I'll give you the info for how to go about doing that. We're still waiting for players to sign up and I'm currently looking for a host for the game. Just sit tight for now

[hunt11]

I would go with Ich for the host because as soon as the game is started it is really easy to go from there

[Hoplosternum]

I would like to play. I have already lost 3 newbie games and am losing another and doing OK in one more. Is that too much experience?

If not I'll take Pythium if that's still available. Or Bandar if it's already gone.

[secretperson]

Ich has so graciously allowed us to use his server so all we need now is people to sign up. Once sign ups are done I'll have info for what to do next (e-mailing your pretenders etc)

[Bwaha]

ok please tell me how to up or download my pretender (is already made, alone in the load pretender slot.) i think im ready to go but just dont know where or whom to go to http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[kasnavada]

I want to join as Caelum. It'll be my 6th game, but I don't have any experience with Caelum. Is that fine ?

I lost badly the fifth though, and I somehow survived in all other (even if I might be in a position to win in only one of them).

[Niarg]

I'll take R'lyeh if I'm new enough, about 4 games experience and hopelessly crushed in 3 of them...

[secretperson]

I think we can fit in one more nation now as long as it's a water nation

[chrispedersen]

Hmm.. all the good ones are taken..
I'll take Machaka..I spose.

[klagrok]

heck sign me up as well ill take machaka

[zenphos]

I quite like the spider people so will sign up as machaka. Something about the noise those spiders make is especially cool.

[zenphos]

Oops sorry, didn't see klagrocks post. Or chrispederson's.
I'll sign up as agartha.
I think, unless I am blind and someone already has them.

[Bwaha]

hey it looks like the last sign up is a water race

[klagrok]

oops didnt see the previous spider post http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif

[Renojustin]

I'll take Pangaea if you'll have me! I'm still playing in my first game.

Edit: Changed Pangaea to Man, and then back to Pangaea. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

[klagrok]

Oceania for me then if still room

[Bwaha]

hey guys is anything happening? am i out of line? i dont know how long people take to set up but it seems pretty simple to me. i was told this can take a week. is this true? if so i will take a while tuning my race. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

[klagrok]

yup all depends on how many peeps sign up and stay---but it's worth it once it starts http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif Just dont get tinkerbelled like I did in my first MP game http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[chrispedersen]

I don't really feel strongly about machaka. If you guys want more players I'll take Marignon and one of the other posters can have machaka.

[Bwaha]

just found out about blitz games. still in but disappointed. wanted to start today but its tonite already, o well sometimes you just got to wait

[Calahan]

If there's room left, I'd like to join.

I'll take Pangaea as my first choice, or Atlantis if you are only after a water race.

Haven't played any MP games before, and this is my first post on these forums in fact. So definately classed as a noob.

[zenphos]

Well a lot people signed up. Extremely fast as well.
I count 14 players. Cradle is too small for that many, although maybe I am wrong and it can handle that many. So does it mean switching to Glory of the Gods? or making a random map or leaving the player count at 12? 2 maybe 3 sea nations are there enough sea provinces for that many or too many.
Quite a lot to sort out for someone organising their first game.
Good luck getting it sorted secretperson and I am sure you will make the right decisions.

[coobe]

i would prefer a random map

[Hoplosternum]

Glory of Gods (multiplayer) or a Random sounds good to me.

[Calahan]

If I'm in, then I would prefer a random map as well.

[JimMorrison]

I could be up for this game if you haven't closed it yet. I'd give Agartha a try, if ye'll have me.

[secretperson]

Oh boy, I go to sleep for a few hours and look what happens! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif I'd rather not cut people out, if possible. It seems that cradle of dominion will be too small to accommodate us all so we'll have to switch that. It sounds a few have mentioned a random map and one has mentioned Glory of Gods (multiplayer). My only concern about random would be it being fair to all players- but I'll figure it out.

[secretperson]

Okay, we have 16 players and sign-ups are now closed. I believe I got everyone in who asked prior to this post. I think we will be going with Glory of Gods map as I do not have much experience with the map editor as of yet. This should be a pretty decent map for our size as it comes out to be about 17.5 provinces per player.

Let's discuss victory conditions- Standard or do we want something like a # of capitals held for a turn? Or we can go the route of 3/5 of provinces held etc. As this is fairly a large game I'd probably suggest some variation of the latter.

Also, those who are noted as being in the game please take the time to begin making a pretender god for your signed-up nation.

For those who are new to this you will find said option in game tools>create a pretender god. MAKE SURE THAT YOU SELECT MIDDLE AGE and that you PUT A PASSWORD for your pretender god. The PASSWORD IS NECESSARY for the hosting setup we are using.

Once you have your pretender god made I will have the e-mail address you can e-mail the file to shortly.

[jmb]

Damn! but it has filled up fast http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif

[secretperson]

For those of you in the game this is where you will be e-mailing your pretender files-

http://bannerbreak.com/banners/6/274/121121750055211774.gif

Please do not repost this address in text as there is a reason Ich has gone to lengths to use this image rather than have me just type it.

You will find your pretender file in your dominions directory>savedgames>newlords>
It will be named something like mid_ctis_.02h.

Try to get your pretenders e-mailed to Ich as soon as you can. We will be ready to start once everyone has e-mailed them in and we decide finally upon victory conditions.

[hunt11]

sent my god in, and wow that was quick

[kasnavada]

Sent.

[klagrok]

Done and done http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[secretperson]

As far as victory conditions go, I'm thinking the person to take and hold 9 capitals and the fortifications wins.

[klagrok]

sounds good to me http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Cadel]

sent- w00tor

[Xanatos]

how many have yet to send their pretenders in?

[Renojustin]

The one that we're doing now, the victory conditions are holding 7 of the 15 capitals. So if it was something like 6 of 16 capitals, there would be that aspect of racing against everyone else as well as beating them, which might be very interesting!

[Xanatos]

bleh.. victory conditions should be complete and utter world domination:)

[Renojustin]

Well... I hear the reason everyone sets conditions like that that is because otherwise it gets tedious and ridiculous by the end. And taking 6 or 7 capitals is a pretty dominant position, I think, even out of 16.

[JimMorrison]

Mine was sent!

[Hoplosternum]

I sent mine without password protection, so I have resent him this morning with password protection.

[Xanatos]

pff, doesn't seem tedious to me:( but i guess i like world domination...

[JimMorrison]

World domination is pretty much the name of the game. >.>

But it can become a bit tedious when you are obviously dominant, but are forced to go through the motions of squeezing every last breath from every single person who has wronged you in the past. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif

[fungalreason]

Oops forgot to set password too, resent pretender.

[chrispedersen]

But it would be good if the email address was a valid email.

[Xanatos]

isn't that the most fun:) time to rub it in, what they get for messing with you kinda thing:)

[secretperson]

chrispedersen said:
But it would be good if the email address was a valid email.



huh? It is a valid e-mail address. Double check to make sure you are spelling it right. Just in case: the first word is glory. The second word is karsten. The third is name. If you are referring to the name part as being a little odd, I thought so too in my first game, but it works nonetheless http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif

[coobe]

sorry i have to step out of this, since im 3 days away due to my job....

[lch]

I have the following pretenders now:

Abysia
Caelum
T'ien Ch'i
Oceania
Agartha
Pythium
Ermor
Vanheim
Machaka
Jotunheim
R'lyeh
Marignon
Atlantis
Eriu

[chrispedersen]

You'd have had mine.. except the email... bounced...

And if hosting is a problem.. I don't mind doing it.. in fact I'd kind of like to. Gives me some practise on doing that.

[chrispedersen]

I'm referring to the fact it doesn't have a domain.. a .com etc. And the fact I've sent it 2x now and gotten bounce messages...

[chrispedersen]

Oh hell.. its DOT name.

Sorry man.. I looked at it and looked at it.. and my (old) eyes simply could not make out that dot. And thats WITH new glasses.

Ok.. I've sent it in (again) ... but I'd really rather just host. I've done so for about 30 lan games.... and I've got 6 computers around here.. so no problem dedicating one to it....

[Xanatos]

heh, good stuff, who else are we missing?

[Calahan]

Atlantis Pretender just sent

[Bwaha]

hi im cursed with windows vista and cant find the file even with search feature any suggestions? thanks Bwaha

[lch]

See http://www.shrapnelcommunity.com/threads/showflat.php?Number=589171

[Bwaha]

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif i think i got it boy the first time is a pain. please let me know if you have received my file. Bwhaha

[secretperson]

looks like we're just waiting for Pangaea and Eriu

[Bwaha]

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/confused.gif ok, how about now, did you get it? god windows vista is such a pain if your used to old windows http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif

[JimMorrison]

I don't know if this is kosher, but as we weren't all in, I just submitted a different take on my pretender. I apologize if that's bad form, I'm just kind of itchy, and when I checked him again I noticed a terrible error. I'll accept your decision either way, and fight my best. <3

[lch]

You can submit changes to your pretenders as long as the game isn't started, no problem.

[chrispedersen]

Laughing last game jim.. I sent in four designs.. all before hosting started.

anything up to game start is ok with me afaic.

[JimMorrison]

Thanks, I just feel terribly awkward when I don't know the rules. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

And I've never played MA Agartha..... I just threw darts at the nations that weren't taken yet. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif So it's culture, system, and probably soon to be shell shock. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[Bwaha]

hi guys and gals i was just wondering if my pretender made it through? is there a means to check? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

[JimMorrison]

secretperson said:
looks like we're just waiting for Pangaea and Eriu



Does reading the thread count as a means? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[lch]

Bwaha said:
hi guys and gals i was just wondering if my pretender made it through? is there a means to check? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif


I have listed all the pretenders that I received on Page 4.

[secretperson]

As of this post we are just waiting for Pangaea

[chrispedersen]

its been days why don't we just start = )

[secretperson]

I messaged him to let him know and he said he would get it in today. So hopefully we will be starting very soon.

[Bwaha]

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif hi, i was wondering, what improv rules are we playing with? was told it convention not to copy bogus's crews orders, fire commanders, and attack commanders. also its not kosher to use phantasmal army and a kill all spell, for example wrathfull sky, or heat from hell. beyond this what else is not to be done? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[zenphos]

Attacking Machaka before turn 50 is also against the rules http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif.

[Bwaha]

i like that, well said http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif its late i think we have at least one more day. by the way be afraid of ermor their damn preists have apostacy which hurts you more than me. your sacred spiders after they lose their riders has a mag resist of 8, ouch having them turn in battle can really hurt. i suggest mag resist spells http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[zenphos]

Thanks for the pointer. I am actually currently learning this in a game I am playing at the moment where I am fighting ermor. I switched from sacred spiders to normal spiders. Not as tough but at least I don't have to fight my own men.
Oh and by the way with no rider they have MR of 5, even more ouch. Although to be honest his nether darts backed up be skele spam is hurting a lot more.

[Renojustin]

Pretender sent, I guess we're about ready to get this one on the road!

Concerned about having to get 9 out of 15 capitals... yikes. Want to just go with 7 like we did with Ascendant?

Are we going with a random map or Glory of the Gods? Never played on that one... does it have smoothed out starting locations so everyone has 5 provinces next to their capitals or something?

I think I'd just prefer a random map with victory markers NOT SHOWN. It kinds of spoils the early game it seems when you know where all the capitals are and everyone starts rushing exactly toward everyone else. And a random map has an equal chance of screwing you as helping you, that's perfectly fair.

[Calahan]

I've just sent in a slighty altered Pretender design if that's ok. If it's too late then no worries :-)

[chrispedersen]

Ooook.. well this is taking so long..
I'm heading to orlando in 11 hours.. and I won't be back until sunday night.

Hope we can wait until then...

[hunt11]

for the first turn we will have a 48 hour time limit so it should be fine

[Cadel]

Hey guys, really sorry but I just got an invite to my sister's college graduation and so I'm leavin tonight and won't be back until MOnday morning. If game starts before than, replace me, and if not, I'll see ya all Monday. Again, really sorry for the inconvenience, but my sister got her Master's Degree so I'm pretty stoked and I'm gonna drive out there.

[Bwaha]

Hi, well this sucks, how about a cut off time say 12 noon sunday? I'm sorry but i've played huge monster board games Wif, war in the pacific, empires at arms, ect... how we deal with people not being available is we appoint a sub to keep the game going. cant we do this? im sure the various players all have war game geeks to fill in for them. but lets set a solid start time and if you miss it without a sub, you get dropped. Bwaha

[Renojustin]

So you'd rather that everyone around the new AI nation gets a huge advantage throughout the game, rather than just start it a day or three late?

Who cares, the game goes for months and months. I for one can wait for the full roster. Have some patience, Bwaha, this ain't SP! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Bwaha]

okay, i'm just chomping at the bit. i so want to play till my eyes bleed this weekend. i'm new to this game and want to ty some ideas. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Renojustin]

Hahaha, I can totally relate. By the way, there is also a Dueling Club where you can get in on some blitz games.

http://www.shrapnelcommunity.com/threads/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=d3maars&Number=597972&page =0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=1

[lch]

Hey all, sorry for the delays, but judging from the replies from chrispedersen and Cadel it's not that bad that we waited with starting the game... And I even got an updated pretender just a few hours ago again, too! *cough*

Bwaha, what you sent me was not a pretender file. Fetch your pretender from the newlords folder. You can create it in Game Tools -> Create Pretender God. As soon as I have your pretender, I can start the game, everything else is set up.

[hunt11]

sorry bout that it's just that i decided that a different god build would work better for Abysia

[lch]

No, it's fine, I was actually trying to distract from the fact that it took me so long to set this game up. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif
It's partly because I've been busy with this, BTW: http://www.shrapnelcommunity.com/threads/showflat.php?Number=607594#Post609132

[hunt11]

thats fine, anything that makes mp easier is a good thing

[Bwaha]

argghh i thought i was ready but i failed. damn it i'm getting pissed off. i sent my pretender oh about four times. i'm not mad at anyone but window vista, it wont talk to gmail so i have to do just keep trying diferent options. i'm so sorry. Bwaha

[lch]

... aaaand the game is live. Check your email boxes for info.

[hunt11]

first turn and things are looking good

[Xanatos]

so I joined the game, but i noticed that I have no saved pretender for Mid Ermor - im not sure..is it possible to join a game without a pretender setup?

[Bwaha]

huzzah

[chrispedersen]

LOL.. Yay on starting. Its been so long, I don't remember what my pretender is like = ).

[Cadel]

hey guys, glad the game got sorted out, I didn't wanna mess anything up by leaving. I'll see ya all later and GL with the game.

[chrispedersen]

Rather than look for a sub for vanheim.. why don't we just host the game?

[lch]

Huh? Why would we need to find a sub for Vanheim? He only said he isn't available until Monday, just like you did.

[chrispedersen]

Didn't cadel just say he was leaving the game?

If he wants to play I'm all in with waiting...

[secretperson]

I'm confused. Cadel you're still in the game arent you?

[Renojustin]

Honestly I'd rather play as Vanheim than Pangaea. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[lch]

At least one person is confused, all right. I don't know what "Monday" means for Cadel regarding time zones, but I will reset the timer once, now, and send him a PM and email to remind him to play his turn, as it didn't sound like "I quit" to me the first time he wrote. If he doesn't want to play, we're in a predictament, I'll try to get a sub then. I do not want AI nations from the start in games that I am hosting.

[JimMorrison]

The worst that would happen is that we restart? (I'm not terribly fond of my starting location anyways. >.>)

Is this fairly common for MP games? Not griping, just curious if I should expect starting delays, or delays in general to be fairly frequent.

[lch]

It is quite common that it takes a while in the start until all the things are in place and everybody knows what to do. But after the initial difficulties are overcome, the game usually picks up speed from there on.

[JimMorrison]

Awesome, I hope so. I am sating my bloodlust by trying out new things, and going through every nation/era in SP, but I want to get hip deep in MP action before I wear myself out. :O

[kasnavada]

So many people I've been at war with in another game are here...

This game sounds like so much fun http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

[Bwaha]

wow that was realy strange i opened my turn and saw it was turn one. scary, thought my turn was pooched til i went to form. sigh.....

[hunt11]

when this problem has finally been dealt with I look forward to the game

[Bwaha]

okay i'm really trying not to complain, but i feel like i'm going to die of old age before we start. i'm not as young as you all. once we start can we go to 12 hour turns for little bit?

[hunt11]

thats a really bad idea 24 hour turns work better because we have people from all across the globe and if we did 12 hour turns a lot of people would miss their turns

[Bwaha]

didn't think of this as a global game. hmm ok...thanks Bwaha

[Cadel]

my bad guys. played my 2 turns. Didn't realize I was still in it. Really srys.

[Cadel]

sry for double post, but I just realized I think I got my turn in 15 seconds before the next turn opened up, lucky me. ;p

[chrispedersen]

OR at least, I can't connect to it..

[lch]

Sorry about this, especially since we now finally managed to start. Here's the info on the server: http://www.shrapnelcommunity.com/threads/showflat.php?Number=610156

[chrispedersen]

Look, no offense, but I'm getting tired of waiting on this game. I offered host; I'm still willing to host. I don't know how people get the ip address to resolve to a name - but I am willing to setup a server and distribute the ip address.

I'll wait a few hours... but if I get into another game I'll probably just drop.

[lch]

I'm not offended, and it certainly is very unfortunate that now that we finally started the game is down again. I don't make demands about hosting this game, it's just as a service for secretperson who can't do so himself. If the players are cool with it, then feel free to host the game yourself instead. I think that would be best for the game at this time.

I can't give you the game files, though, as all the backups are on the server which now has gone unavailable. As far as I understood Gandalf, no data is lost, but it's unavailable at the moment. What I could do is give you the pretender files and the email addresses of the players and then you start the game anew from scratch. Since we just started, I don't think it's too much of a problem - or did somebody get some awesome hero that he is going to miss if we restart?

[chrispedersen]

Ich, I appreciate the offer. Why don't you forward the pretender files, we can get this working faster that way.

Even better.. zip em in one file... so I can unzip em.
Glory2 will be the name of the file.

[lch]

Good, I'll do this as soon as secretperson ok's it. It's his game, after all.

[Xanatos]

in that case im going to take the opportunity to fix my pretender - where should I send the new pretender file too? =)

[secretperson]

I suppose it's fine.

I DID get the nice crutch-old guy hero on turn 2 and he is pretty nice but that's okay. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif

[lch]

Ok, then I'll transfer the pretenders and email addresses to chris right now. I'm really sorry for the mess, everybody, and hope that you bring a lot of patience with you concerning Dom3 MP games, in case this was your first game. They ARE very exciting games to play, much better than what the AI can give you in SP games. It will be worth it to stick to this game.

[Bwaha]

im still game once its set up Bwaha

[Hoplosternum]

secretperson said:
I suppose it's fine.

I DID get the nice crutch-old guy hero on turn 2 and he is pretty nice but that's okay. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif



Bah! Isn't he the disease spreading immortal one? I just can't find a use for him although he does have 2 death which TC lack otherwise. But really after a bit of site searching in empty provinces what can he be used for? Too weak to be much of a thug even with his magic. No stealth so can't be used as an assassin/disease spreader to your enemies. Nice magic but not that nice - he's no better than your average Celestial master.

Do you build him his own personnal lab and have him forge/ research in peace?

[chrispedersen]

Hey guys, server should be up at ip 74.236.0.134. Port 1024.

I've never hosted an mp like this before.. sooo let me know if there are any issues.

Oh, and update to 3.17 while you're at it.

[Niarg]

I can't connect to it...
Firewall issues maybe?

[zenphos]

me either

[klagrok]

same here http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif

[Calahan]

I have just connected to the new server, and everything seems ok. Apart from me having a lot worse start position than last time :-(

I used the following settings to connect :

IP address of the server - 74.236.0.134
Port number of the server - 1024

Chrispedersen - Thanks for setting this up so quickly.
Ich - Hope those server Gremlins get busted soon.

[fungalreason]

I can't connect.

[Bwaha]

im up and running thanks a lot Bwaha http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[chrispedersen]

This is strange.... I have seen that 3 people have connected. Does anyone have an explanation for why the others cant?

[lch]

The IANA lists that port as "Reserved":
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_TCP_and_UDP_port_numbers#Registered_Ports: _1024.E2.80.9349151

But of course MicroSoft seems to be abusing it for various services: http://www.grc.com/port_1024.htm

It might be that ISP's are blocking connections to that port on purpose to hold back worms which are trying to infect other systems.

[klagrok]

I can get in now so good on this end http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Cadel]

It took me like 5 minutes to get onto the network the first time, so make sure you wait the full duration if it seems like it's not gonna get through.

[lch]

Oh, maybe you're suffering from the mysterious "the remote server is hanging" problem then. I never experienced it myself, but it was a pretty big issue in some other games.

[Bwaha]

could the patch be the problem i started the game then after reading the post upgraded the game now it wont connect. Bwaha

[secretperson]

I successfully connected with the patched version, but had trouble connecting earlier

[Calahan]

I connected to the new server with Dom 3.15 if that's of any help to anyone.

Having my own separate crashing issues with the new patch at the moment, so not much point me trying to connect with it to test, as I won't know if any problem are due to the server / the patch / or my computer.

[Xanatos]

was the server created with 3.15 or 3.17?

[chrispedersen]

3.17

[chrispedersen]

3.17 ... perhaps that was a bad idea - but I wanted to get the bug fixes in.

Calahan, is having trouble with the game crashing. Speaking on that Cal, have you tried running it in a virtual environment like VirtualPC or VMware?

I find that works pretty darn well ....

[kasnavada]

Doesn't work here either.

[Hoplosternum]

I can't get in either....

[hunt11]

me too

[Calahan]

Chrispedersen

Haven't had chance to go through any problem solving techniques yet. And will struggle to find time to do that before Sunday now. Sadly :-(

Will certainly look into creating a virtual PC environment like you suggest when I do though.

I've already submitted my first turn for Glory2 using Dom 3.15. Will that be accepted or not? (I'm guessing not if the server was created with 3.17) And will I be able to submit future turns using Dom 3.15?

If the answer is no to both questions, then it might be best to find a sub for me, since I have no idea how long my 3.17 problems will take to fix, although it will likely be Sunday by the earliest, and that's only if everything goes well.

I don't want to ask for any delays either since this game has easily had enough of those already.

Guess my aging rig may have finally caught up with me :-(

[Xanatos]

IP address of the server - 74.236.0.134
Port number of the server - 1024

on new patch 3.17

not letting me connect.

[JimMorrison]

According to Dom, the server is down, or my internet connection is down. :O

[lch]

I just tried connecting, too, and I can't. I can't even ping the host. I remembered that I developed a PHP script once to check on network games which I used for myself to check on the games that I am hosting, and luckily I even found some backups of it locally on my system here. I'll try to get it online and then chris can use that to check if other people are able to connect to his server or not.

[chrispedersen]

Hey Ich...

Any tips anyone wants to give me that makes this smoother, I am happy to try out.

I am using a static ip with a firewall with pass thru forwarding on port 1024 to the machine hosting. The machine, the router, the switch are all on a UPS.

I've checked for dropped packets coming via dslreports and came up clean....

[lch]

Okay, firewall would explain why the ping is discarded. Although that's a pretty overzealous thing to do for a firewall, take away the easiest and most obvious way to detect if a system is alive and reachable on the net. Some services might even depend on it by sending a ping first before they do more stuff on the net. Dunno if Dom3 is among those.

I have uploaded my server check script here: http://valhalla.srhost.info/socket.php
It will first connect to Velusion's Fallacy game (so that you can see that the script is indeed working) and then to your server.

You can check if your port 1024 is reachable outside here:
http://www.canyouseeme.org/
http://www.port-scan.de/lynx/select.php
Just enter your port number 1024 in those and submit. Don't mind the German on the second one, you just have to look at the reply. If it doesn't say "open" (which they will display in red, because they check if a firewall works, not a service), then others can't connect to your game.

I know that other people have hosted games behind hardware / software routers, so you could use the search function here.

[chrispedersen]

What a great script ich. I'm still working; when I get home I'll check all of these things.. probably around 2 hours from now.

Your script really gives me an idea, as I have a webserver sitting around doing nothing.. I wonder if I could host on that and then have the webserver publishing the script results continuously........

Sounds like a screwdriver night...

Hmm: Ok. I have no clue now.

Success: I can see your service on 74.236.0.134 on port (1024) Your ISP is not blocking port 1024

But the german one reports: Green, which looks like service closed.

Finally, your script works fine as well Ich. It reports 6/15 players ready.

Ok: Interestingly, the westel 6100 modem configured to be always on is resetting (PADT disconnect) for hours at a time. According to a DSL reports, this could be a defective modem or a misconfiguration by bellsouth.

Could people try connecting now? Ive reset the modem. IF it doesn't work, I'll setup a ping keep alive to keep traffic up (and hence prevent usage disconnects)....

[chrispedersen]

Could some people try now? I've reset the modem. If people still have no luck, I'll set up a ping host.

Thanks guys

[zenphos]

Hey,

I'm in. As is Agartha.

[Bwaha]

just got back from work will try now Bwaha

[Bwaha]

3.17 patch up. game connected fine, good job. Bwaha

[Hoplosternum]

I'm in too

[chrispedersen]

10/15 .. with Calahan possibly an exception. I'm going to set it for a one day turn around.

[klagrok]

im good as well http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Calahan]

I can connect to the server fine using Dom 3.15, but it crashes to desktop when I use 3.17 (which is an isolated problem I'm having with 3.17)

Have some spare time on Sunday, so hoping to fix my issues with 3.17 then.

Will I be able to submit my turns using 3.15 until then? (Guessing not) or will it be better for me just to try and find a temp / permanent sub?

I've already submitted my first turn using 3.15, it seems to have been accepted by the server ok. But then I'm not sure if it would tell me about a problem if one did exist anyway.

[lch]

chrispedersen said:
Your script really gives me an idea, as I have a webserver sitting around doing nothing.. I wonder if I could host on that and then have the webserver publishing the script results continuously........


The script is to be considered very experimental. I haven't found out how to tell PHP effectively to use timeouts on socket streams. If there is no problem, it works beautifully, but if there is a problem then the script tends to hang up and freeze itself, which seems to vary from host to host, I really have no idea what causes that.

I have made another, earlier, script which you can install on your game server to show stats for games, check the "PHP status script for Dom3 game servers" in my sig. It inspects the savegame files to report on the game status. The two other scripts that I have been running, to display graphical scores, have gone down with the server, I don't think that I have local copies of those. They'd need an SQL database to work, anyway.

[zenphos]

Is there a way for us to know when the game has hosted? For instance will we get an email when it is ready to accept new turns or do we just check every now and then?

[lch]

http://valhalla.srhost.info/socket.php has now been modified to show turn status for the nations in Glory only. This is only meant as a substitute until chris has a status script running himself and/or some form of turn notification emails.

[chrispedersen]

LOL... you guys are making me run when I can barely walk.
Ich, I have a copy of sql around somewhere - also mysql.

I emailed Gandalf about useful scripts last night, but its too early to expect a reply.

I'd be happy to implement either email notification (hmm probably via a mapi client) or a website - but someone has to show me how to do it. Figuring it out on my own won't be timely at the moment.

It would be great if there were:
a) a script for backing up game files
b) email notification

Chris

[lch]

You won't need SQL for the stats script from my link, only PHP. I only used a SQL database for my graphical scores, but that code is lost at the moment, so not of interest anyway.

[lch]

chrispedersen said:
I'd be happy to implement either email notification (hmm probably via a mapi client) or a website - but someone has to show me how to do it. Figuring it out on my own won't be timely at the moment.


Depends on your operating system. Linux easily comes with both. Web servers can be installed under Windows with one of the WAMP projects available. Email would be another thing.


chrispedersen said:
It would be great if there were:
a) a script for backing up game files
b) email notification


I did both for my games. Backing up game files was more or less done like this (which I used on local games before):
<font class="small">Code:</font><hr /><pre>function archive {
if test $# -lt 1; then return; fi
tar czvf $(basename $1)-$(date +%s).tgz $@
}</pre><hr />
For email, I used something called nbsmtp because I didn't trust local sendmail installations, which would have been even easier to use.

P.S.: For Windows, try one of these links:
http://www.ss64.com/nt/mapisend.html
http://www.beyondlogic.org/solutions/cmdlinemail/cmdlinemail.htm
http://www.blat.net/

[Renojustin]

I did my turn. Now it's saying that my Dominions version is too old. (3.15) However, my other game, when it comes back online, (Ich), is in 3.15.

Not really understanding what's going on or what to do. Can I even play a 3.15 game with 3.17? Do I need to make a whole new install? Ugh.

[lch]

Dom3 patches are parasitic. Some game will update to the new patch. Its players will have to update to the new patch to continue playing, too. Unless they install the game twice on their computers, then the servers of any other games that they play in will have to update to the new patch, too. Branching off from the current patch level is hard to do. That's probably the whole idea to make sure everybody's updated.

[Bwaha]

just ran my second turn. all is good in the world. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Xanatos]

Rlyeh/Agartha, everything ok?

[JimMorrison]

Yeah sorry about that, my Llamaserver games are training me to wait for an email so that I know a turn is ready. 8 \

On the bright side, I made it in 9 minutes before hosting. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif And I will do turn 4 immediately after, it looks like.

[chrispedersen]

Hey by the way... it says Ryllah has not played. Are they stale? should we sub?

[Niarg]

Just a busy weekend, I'll be fine playing now. Just a pity I stalled so early in the game.

[chrispedersen]

Due to Velusion, I believe I will have scripts done tonight. Will be working on them from 12pm - 2am EST.
Please bear with me if there is downtime during this time.

Edit: Well, I think they are working. They worked in the tests I did anyway, with thanks to velusion &amp; ich.
Game backups and email notifications should be going out.
Webserver status will be another weekend I suppose. I seem to be having a php rights issue on my web server.

Everyone should have gotten test messages sent to them. Please send me your email address if you did not.

Chris

[chrispedersen]

Is there a way to test and see if it works, not using socket streams? Do the test, and then only if successful proceed to socket?

Mind you, I have no idea of what you're speaking about =)

I was trying to setup a DNS-323 as a webserver. But it was a little much work for midnight +....

[lch]

chrispedersen said:
Is there a way to test and see if it works, not using socket streams? Do the test, and then only if successful proceed to socket?

Mind you, I have no idea of what you're speaking about =)


The PHP scripts which I released don't use sockets to get the game stats, they only work on the local file system, thus you will need a webserver on the same host where the game is for them to work. The socket code which grabs the game stats over the network is highly experimental, tends to fail in lots of ways and thus wasn't released to the public.

[chrispedersen]

well, I'm going to try setting up a webserver in the next few days... but I have to say.. hosting a couple of games brings the machine to its knees.

I'm debating just putting a machine on my network merely for dominions serving. Stats will be for crap.. but who cares...

yeah.. think I'll do that. Will switch over to the new machine this weekend.

[Renojustin]

Embarassingly, I attacked two provinces last turn I actually didn't mean to. I flew through a turn and didn't copiously check what was going on... this should be an interesting political change for sure!

[JimMorrison]

Sweet, you're not my neighbor! Go for it, rock the boat! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

[Xanatos]

waitin till the last second there eh abysia;P

[hunt11]

yeah i forgot about the game until just then http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Bwaha]

what a great game. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif Bwaha

[hunt11]

well that won't happen again, finals are nearly done and summer vacation beckons

[Bwaha]

hey hunt11, no insult intended, just trying to add some flavor. when i play my turn i listen to steeleye span (celtic music) hence the comments. Bwaha

[hunt11]

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/confused.gif why would i take that as an insult, i was just telling everybody that i will not leave things to the last minute again. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Bwaha]

my last post was in regards to the glory game. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Renojustin]

The game server is down.

[chrispedersen]

The game server is back up =).

Had a power hit last night, which I didn't notice till I woke up =).

I reset the timer to 24 hours - but seeing as we were down to 3, try to get your turns in peoples = )

Best to all.

Chris

[Renojustin]

Our pact with Jotunheim is ended. We shall feel free to take their lands and women in three months time!

Any other neighbors of Jotunheim will now be free to loot and pillage at will, as a huge army just showed up on our doorstep, far from other borders. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[hunt11]

The lands of fire have been beset by foes, but it shall not fall until all it's foes are bleed dry from cost of victory

[johnarryn]

I would beware trusting or aiding Pangaea... they are treacherous, and have already profited from deceit and the conflict of their neighbors.
- Atlantis

[chrispedersen]

Foes.. we have foes?
&lt;scratches around in the dry dry dust.&gt;

Who you fighting abys?

[hunt11]

i am fighting Tien Chi, Eriu, and Oceania

[Renojustin]

Give it a rest already Atlantis; I wrote out exactly what happened here in the game thread. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Bwaha]

well, i place second on a the hothead list. hey did you ever hear of province defence? it stops single guys from taking over your lands. its a neat trick, you should try it sometime. hopefully not in this game. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[JimMorrison]

Ye Olde Shoppe Of All Things Delectable And Arcane is now opening, in a Glory of the Gods map near you!

We are offering**, for those of you unable to forge such wonders on your own (you poor uncivilized beggars, we take pity on you!), a great many treasures, including, but not strictly limited to:

Frost Brand (5W)
Fire Brand (5E/5F)
Dwarven Hammer (*See Below)
Sceptre of Authority (5F)
Black Bow of Botulf (Inquire Within)
Lead Shield (10E)
Charcoal Shield (*See Below)
Black Steel Helmet (5E)
Dragon Helm (5F)
Black Steel Full Plate (10E)
Elemental Armor (10E 5F)
Boots of the Behemoth (*See Below)
Earth Boots (*See Below)
Burning Pearl (5F)
Bracers of Protection (5E)
Girdle of Might (5E)
Ring of Fire (5F)
Ring of Frost (5W)

*Not all items will be available to all nations. Furthermore, while most items are available for base forging price to all who might need them, certain special items may require special terms - kneepads sold separately. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/redface.gif

**Initial orders are somewhat limited due to availability of forgers. Also, initial demand may be high, so orders will be filled in the order that they are received***. Until the supply and demand paradigm works itself out, please drop a mail to this address with the contents of your order. Orders will be filled fastest if gems are sent promptly.

***Tips/bribes will be accepted to bump one's order ahead of other basic orders. A wise negotiator may pay for results, but will get what they want, when they want it.


~~ Operators are standing by! ~~

[Bwaha]

wow what a great post. since i don't have any fire gems yet. i would love to have about five rings of fire. this would enable me to put the hot heads out... abysia's prenteder is a scorpian king with a charcoal sheild and a fire brand http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif, and while i could shock him to death it would not be fun. back to the subject at hand. i've air gems, how many for each ring? Lord Lucky

[hunt11]

Is there anyone out who would trade earth gems for nature, and or fire gems

[JimMorrison]

Bwaha said:
wow what a great post. since i don't have any fire gems yet. i would love to have about five rings of fire. this would enable me to put the hot heads out... abysia's prenteder is a scorpian king with a charcoal sheild and a fire brand http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif, and while i could shock him to death it would not be fun. back to the subject at hand. i've air gems, how many for each ring? Lord Lucky



Currently, Ye Olde Shoppe has a limited ability to perform trades for non-required gems. As of right now, that only leaves the possibility of substituting for E gems, which we have an adequate supply of. Unfortunately, we don't have much actual use for A as of this time, so you may need to look towards trading with others first, to get the needed materials.

[chrispedersen]

I will trade fire gems on an equal gold basis hunt. Currently, I am still burning them for gold, so thats the best offer I can make.
Inquire within..

[hunt11]

thanks but i need earth gems and i can offer some nature and earth gems

[Bwaha]

i hear the music, its almost here. ah, a fine silver eagle flys into the halls of abysia. "this is your last chance to pay tribute. or prepare to be silenced". http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/rolleyes.gifLL

[hunt11]

the thing is Bwaha is that i know I have lost and that even if i gave tribute it would only delay the inevitable so I unless something big happens I am right now aiming for a glorious defeat.

[Bwaha]

really, things don't look too bad, i'm glad that you are willing to fight. i would say good luck, but that would be bad for me. all the clamor for tribute is jus a bit of color. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif LL

[hunt11]

well if you call peace then i will stop fighting and move my armies as well ( if you needed fire gems you could have just asked for a trade)

[chrispedersen]

On other matters:

I am in Chicago from Friday till Sunday.

I am not expecting to delay the game. My positions in all games will be capably handled by Mark Montero.

I am going to down the servers Thursday night at midnight, to give them a fresh reboot, and to install some remote management software.

That way if something happens while I'm away, there will be at least the possibility of resolving the problem remotely.

Best to all


Chris

[lch]

chrispedersen said:
I am going to down the servers Thursday night at midnight, to give them a fresh reboot, and to install some remote management software.


www.ubuntu.com (http://www.ubuntu.com) is a good one http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[zenphos]

Is Pan still playing at the moment? While I have no problem with someone taking time to play their turns if he is staling then we should switch him to AI.

[fungalreason]

I'm pretty sure he staled the last 2

[chrispedersen]

Pan staled 20. He has not submitted a turn for 21.
I will not AI unless he stales 2; even so I will send him a message here inquiring.

For the rest: if you intend to abandon a position do please notify.

[johnarryn]

Pan's been under attack by several nations. Hopefully this isn't just a case of sour grapes...

[Bwaha]

well i've seen him online in the forum. sent him a two hour warning. no response, maybe we should recuit a sub. Bwaha http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Xanatos]

having been in negotations with him fairly constantly, im fairly sure he quit, which definitely throws off the otherwise great game I was having =/ im tryin to talk him into comin back, PM sent...no response yet.

[Bwaha]

i ask in future games, if you're going to quit say so. it gives all of us a better game if we know what the status of your country is. if i quit i will state so. please extend the same politeness and consideration to others. this is about having fun. we are waiting for the turn to move on. if you aren't going to do your turn please notify the webmaster or whatever. if you don't the turns go so slowly it isn't fun. so in closing if you want to quit do so with as much warning as possible. its only polite. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif Bwaha

[chrispedersen]

Sigh. I agree I was having a blast. Ok. I will place the game on hold for 24 hours, to see if we can recruit a substitute.

[Bwaha]

would anyone object to "tyrant" to sub? Bwaha
http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[fungalreason]

Honestly, it seems to me it would be hard to find someone willing to sub, given his current position.

[johnarryn]

Perhaps. Until Pangaea made an enemy of every single one of his neighbors he was doing quite well.

[chrispedersen]

I don't mind tyrant subbing, if you think he will. I have searched for a replacement without any luck. I promised a 24 hour delay.

I am going to set the game to host at 11pm EST. If he indicates he will host by 10pm, I will give him a couple of extra hours to familiarize and send in a turn.

Otherwise, I'm going to set it to AI.

In the future; As I got no real takers on subbing, I am going to set all to AI without searching for subs.

Best

Chris

[chrispedersen]

Servers are back up. Power was down.

Tyrant has agreed to take on Pangaiea. As this was arranged by request of Bwaha, I did not actually think to ask if he wanted Atlantis.

Due to Tyrant taking the position, hosting will be delayed 24 hours.

[Tyrant]

Turn up. Die Jotunlantermoria!

[Bwaha]

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif Happy days, pan just ran. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/cool.gif Bwaha

[johnarryn]

Err, why would Tyrant want Atlantis? I'm playing them.

[chrispedersen]

Sorry John:
I got my boards crossed. Atlantis in a different game had asked me to find a sub. I didn't think to ask Tyrant. And posted to the wrong board.

Apologies.

[chrispedersen]

Due to some really great workby ich, two new status screens are available:

http://dom3.matryx.org.uk/game.php?game=19


http://dom3.matryx.org.uk/game.php?game=20

(be sure to thank him!)

[lch]

chrispedersen said:
http://dom3.matryx.org.uk/game.php?game=19



That's the one for this game. The other is for the BraveNewWorld game.

Also, the service is provided by Matryx for the SA Dom3 goons, I only registered chris' games on there. I'd still think that it would be best if chris gets his own webserver up soon, tho.

[Bwaha]

hey what happened? 74 hours tilll the next turn??? jeeze
wake me when were ready. zzzzzz http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/confused.gif Bwaha

[chrispedersen]

Due to a death, there has been a request for a delay in the game until Monday.

[Bwaha]

oh, sorry, is there anything we can do? Bwaha

[fungalreason]

No rush, but it looks like the server is down again.

[Bwaha]

monday is the day. i hope, but no rush. Bwaha http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

[Matryx]

chrispedersen said:
Due to some really great workby ich, two new status screens are available:

http://dom3.matryx.org.uk/game.php?game=19


http://dom3.matryx.org.uk/game.php?game=20

(be sure to thank him!)



Not to squelch on the masses of work he *does* do, but this is my website and service, not his.

[Tyrant]

Heh, thanks Matryx, that's a cool page!

[Bwaha]

well its monday http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

[chrispedersen]

Thank you Matrix!

As Ich did it for me, I didn't know; So thanks again. Its a great looking page and a lot of work has gone into it.

At some point Ich, I am going to get that webserver up - however I have a lot to learn still - I doubt it will ever look as good as Matryx's page.

However, I just got back (4am) and work is slamming me so it will be a while....

Thanks again Matryx!
Chris

[chrispedersen]

It is indeed. Server will be up in a minute.

Host time will be tonight at midnight. Hope all is well with john.

Chris

[kasnavada]

Due to various reasons I won't be able to follow that game anymore in a few days, I posted for a sub already. I'll keep you guys informed.

[Xanatos]

im trying to join server...but no luck? is it down

[Hoplosternum]

I can't connect either....

[Bwaha]

i got turn 25 done and in the can, so to speak. the server was up for a while. it said something like 128 hours till next turn. i think this due to someone dropping out. does anyone know a newbie? i don't want to fill this game with people i know. it gives me a unfair leg up in diplomancy. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif Bwaha

[Xanatos]

so server is down now? i don't wanna miss my turn but i got message from host saying turns ready then i can't log in

[klagrok]

same here http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif

[zenphos]

Me either. Hopefully hosting will be postponed until we can all get our turns in.