LA Game - Victoria - Running

[llamabeast]

Wait a minute, and I'll sort this out for you. Sorry, I haven't been near a computer much today.

[Bwaha]

I have a suggestion, what I did was ask Llama Sever for a resending of the last turn. I think if all of us do this we will be in sync as far as being on the same turn. I tried this with another game and it went smoothly. :D

[llamabeast]

Right, you're back on turn 64. Request a resend if you're unsure what turn you should be using.

WraithLord - are there any more outstanding issues? I've lost track a bit.

[WraithLord]

Right, you're back on turn 64. Request a resend if you're unsure what turn you should be using.

WraithLord - are there any more outstanding issues? I've lost track a bit.
Thank you!

Asked for a resend, just to be on the safe side.

[WraithLord]

Just to make sure we are all clear on the situation: If you had experienced issues with turn 64 (stale turn, partial/no orders etc.) please resubmit your turn. In that case I recommend to ask for a resend just to make sure - Just go to http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=Victoria and click on the "request turn resend".

Those who had no issues don't have to resend the turns as the server has a copy of your original 2h file. Though in truth I'd recommend to resubmit even in that case, just to make sure this turn goes smoothly so we could get back on track.

So far missing turns from C'tis, Jomon and Mictlan.

Lets get this turn done quickly and move on with the game :)

[WraithLord]

Only Ctis remaining. Klagrok, do you need to resubmit or can we force host and get this game moving again?

[Bwaha]

I don't think we can continue, Llama Sever is down again. Also we need to get a resent turn again, and change something so the game doesn't crash. See Llama Server's message.

[WraithLord]

Please ignore this message. There's no need to resend. This is an internal issue of the server and llama is investigating it. We need to be patient since llama is doing all he can to iron out all the standing issues in the server. I'm confident in a day or two games will start to run smoothly.

[klagrok]

I actually sent my turn in yesterday--when I checked last night, saw Victoria doesnt even exist on the llamaserver!!!!!

[llamabeast]

Game restored again. Sorry all for the mayhem.

[llamabeast]

Er right, so ignore everything apart from the most recent turn 65.

[Bwaha]

Hi, I think everyone should patch before submitting their next turn. I had a problem in another game and had to upgrade before processing my turn. :D

[klagrok]

Already patched :)

[WraithLord]

Wait a sec guys. We all depend on llama's version, if he didn't upgrade your turns will not work well. I'll ask him about this and keep you posted.

[WraithLord]

No need 2 ask as llama posted that he had upgraded.
So we all upgrade.

Bwaha. I'd have thought you'd be in less of a hurry to upgrade ;)

[Bwaha]

Yeah, I know, this is gonna be painful. I'm being hit with the nerf bat in two different games. Ouch. The other game hurts worse though, In that game I'm playing Hinnom and my plans are totally wrecked. I have to change my whole production stratagy.:(

[Herode]

Well, I confess this patch is much welcome for me. Not that I'm very optimistic about how I can perform right now in Victoria, but, well... the nerfing coming here is obviously a Sign of the Gods.

Bow and praise me, I will forgive your sins.

:capt:

[Bwaha]

Well I think that master enslave is not working right. I have the right amount of comunion slaves, gems, and scripts. My insane fraking leaders just won't cast it. Grr, I would be crushing bogarus if it did work. :mad:

[WraithLord]

Wow. Sounds like an interesting battle. Feel free to share the gory details :)

[Bwaha]

Sorry, not at this time. I just realized that I may be doing a exploit. Is it okay to use items that increase your command to load up troops, then after you've done so remove said items? The troops stay under his command and can be gated. :D

[WraithLord]

Sounds like an exploit. IMO its your call whether or not to use it.

[Bwaha]

Is there a thread on exploits? If not we should make one.:D

[alhorro]

I've just noticed that we have scores (http://www.llamaserver.net/showScores.cgi?game=Victoria) opened now. The most interesting «random event» I've ever encountered (:

TC's gem income is stunning, it looks like our friendly AI has clams equipped on every researcher.

[WraithLord]

That's strange.

I'll try to find out if we can turn them off, since that is part of the game setup.

TC is a monster :(

[llamabeast]

I've cleared them, which will help if it was just random weirdness resulting from the problems a few days ago. If they reappear next turn though, let me know and I'll go a-bug-hunting.

[WraithLord]

Thanks!

It took you less time to fix the issue than for me to PM you. Awesome :D

[Bwaha]

Whats going on, I got two turns in a row 67, 68. I think I may have too many troops and have broken the game. Not my fault, I'm trying to off them in group batches. Drowning most of them but they grow faster than I can flush them. I think I will never play LA Rylah ever again. Its just too much staff work. I have a province with over 1000 scum in it. Its the launch pad to send troops swimming or to gate them to the front. :D

[klagrok]

Yes I received the two turns as well-think they were 4 minutes apart. Llama can you roll it back to turn 67????

[WraithLord]

rolled back.

[WraithLord]

Guys, there's something I'd like to share with you.

You see, after we caught MX cheating (What was it, 6-8 turns ago?) I had this part of me thinking what's the point of continuing the game?- But I figured hey, the guy was caught, his nation turned AI, how bad can the AI be. That's it. The worst part is over, its time to start enjoying the game.
Now, I realize I was wrong. The AI is extremely strong, not as a skilled human granted but still enough to cause serious damage. TC has huge gem income (four or five times more than I have for example), lots of provinces, many huge armies, many scripted SCs (tartarians for example) and mages.
I have reached a point with Patala that in a normal game is equivalent to getting to the end of the race and competing for one of the medals. I have almost completed research, have my own SCs, late game spells etc but all this is not enough for me to prevail against TC AI. Those of you who have spies in my lands have surely witnessed the Armageddon battles the AI is waging against me: sending armies of 300-400 units strong, the units being all kind of nasty summons (banes, frost wolves, spring lions etc) lead by anywhere between 5-10 tartarians and a cadre of mages raining deadly artillery while buffing with armies of led/gold, will of the fates etc.

My point is, I'm starting the think the game is indeed broken and was so ever since MX took the path of cheating. Two nations are at an extreme disadvantage: Mictlan and Patla who are like 30-40 turns in constant war against TC and IMO will take ages, if at all, the beat the AI. Then there's Ctis that has recently joined the war, low on income, it too stands to have a long long war against TC. The unfairness stems from the fact that the nations that don't have a border with TC were and still are spared this fate. This situation actually puts Ctis, Mictlan and Patala out of the equation and results in making the winner of the eastern war (likely R'lyeh) the likely winner.

I'm starting to seriously consider turning AI (I don't think someone would want to sub for Patala at its current state). I think the game is broken and the options are to either stop it, or continue in a pointless, hopeless war vs. AI while the "real" game happens in the eastern third of the map.

What do you guys think?

[Herode]

Agreed. I didn't imagine TC was so powered but the "stats on" bug showed that I was wrong. Also, after the stats, I don't think Bogarus + Jomon can deal with R'lyeh in any way. Overwhelming army, superior gold, gem income & magic... Well :hurt:

I'm playing the turns only as experiments, nothing more. But frankly speaking, I think a new LA game will be more interesting now :smirk:

[Herode]

Is there a thread on exploits? If not we should make one.:D
BTW, did you report the bug ? I think this exploit/bug breaks the Leadership caracteristic and should be patched ASAP.

[WraithLord]

Agreed. I didn't imagine TC was so powered but the "stats on" bug showed that I was wrong. Also, after the stats, I don't think Bogarus + Jomon can deal with R'lyeh in any way. Overwhelming army, superior gold, gem income & magic... Well :hurt:

I'm playing the turns only as experiments, nothing more. But frankly speaking, I think a new LA game will be more interesting now :smirk:

Yes, I think its time to close the curtain on this game. New LA game with 3.21 enhanced cheat detection (based on this game :) ) sounds much better than endless turns of battling the hordes of TC. It has lost the point even as an experiment since the conclusions have been reached already ;)

[klagrok]

I'll vote for death as well. Those stats were pretty gruesome.

[Bwaha]

Due to the work that finishing all of you off would entail, I also agree to ending this game. I like this group and would like to have a rematch. I won't play LA Rylah though. They're too much work to have a enjoyable time. :D

[alhorro]

Huh, have we been playing the game for half a year just to abandon it?

Every nation still has a chance to win.
Yes, TC is a trouble, but it's beatable. Stats show that TC army is same with mine — and I have only 150 units and 7 commanders. Yes, gem income is stunning, but half of this income = clams on researches — some falling foo and they're gone. The other half comes from provinces, which could be easily taken with any raiding spell.

I think you just pay too much attention to the game. It takes me 20 minutes to make a turn, and it's worth the time. I'd vote for 24h hosting — instead of abandoning the game we can finish it in a quick step and the story would be completed (:

[Bwaha]

Okay, I will soldier on, in the intrest of the troop limits you guys should ship me some goblets so I can drown troops quicker. I tell you its not fun to have about 500-800 troops in each southern province. My turn reports are very long and filled with starving provinces. :D

[klagrok]

:) If I had some gem income Id send you a few :)

[WraithLord]

Huh, have we been playing the game for half a year just to abandon it?

Every nation still has a chance to win.
Yes, TC is a trouble, but it's beatable. Stats show that TC army is same with mine — and I have only 150 units and 7 commanders. Yes, gem income is stunning, but half of this income = clams on researches — some falling foo and they're gone. The other half comes from provinces, which could be easily taken with any raiding spell.

I think you just pay too much attention to the game. It takes me 20 minutes to make a turn, and it's worth the time. I'd vote for 24h hosting — instead of abandoning the game we can finish it in a quick step and the story would be completed (:

I don't know about stats but you should know that even one of the single armies of TC attacking me is twice the size you mentioned for all TC armies. And my scouts report many huge TC armies on the move.
As for raiding, I have raided TC very hard with anything between 6-10 Tartarians, Rudras and Kinara SCs -- and have ended up losing all my raiders. If its not frozen heart spam, then its the odd huge army with buffs, or a line of life drainers, but in the end something does them.

I'd be much happier if we were *all* fighting TC and bringing him down. Then the game would make sense and be open but as it is I find it pointless. That said, I could give it a few more turns (though I don't think it would change much). I think you would reach the same conclusion in a few turns, but I guess we could wait some more and see how things turn out.

I've got to say that at some point it seems ridiculous to me fight an "adventure" scripted monster AI in an MP game. In SP it would have been fun but in MP, under these conditions???- It more or less stinks.

[Bwaha]

Why don't you post the location of TC's capitol? I vow to throw some hate at it. In fact lets all do this. I bet that if we shut their production down it will be not such a problem. :D

[Zeldor]

WraithLord:

It was strange decision in the first place to continue with cheater detected, instead of restarting.


P.S. Anyone interested in joining my multi-age team game maybe? 1 spot [for a whole team or 1 person willing to teammate with anyone] still free :)

[WraithLord]

It took some while for the wisdom of your distinction to sink in. In retrospect I realize we should have restarted on the spot with most of the original team. We can still do that. New game, new slate. We can make it VP game to make sure it will not last a long time. The way this game goes it has the potential to continue for a very long time. But if some of the players want to go on I'll respect that, and refrain from turning AI (for the meantime).

[alhorro]

@WraithLord
Let's be optimistic — at least in our northern region I see only 2 armies like that one (http://www.picamatic.com/view/1375270_tc/), everything else is just handful of disorganized mages, couple SC's and dozen of fighters + chaff. If we destroy the armies and move into offence, TC would be slain and we'd get rich loot and 3-sites provs (:

Yes, AI is able to eat any single nation. But now I've recovered a little, and fresh unharmed C'tis has joined the fight. If AI kills 7 our raiders, 14 other are doing their job.

@Bwaha
Tc's capital seems to have only 30 mages inside. But TC has a castle at almost every second province with the same amount of mages, so you may move anywhere to the west.
Btw it can solve your problem with chaff — WoG in dom10 provinces kills ~50 humans per turn (:

[Bwaha]

I've come to dislike my nation, its just too much like work. I thought that Rylah was mismanaged at first, but now I see how much fodder Rylah makes. Makes Pan look silly.:D

PS: I will continue as long as you wish, Let me have a path to them, TC that is. :D

[WraithLord]

Currently strongest TC army I see is in 86 (previously my castle). Its 400 strong. with dozens of mages and his pretender.

He has TC, Abysia, Ermor and Jotun capitals. He has many forts. He has strong armies in 116, 83, 27, 40, 20 (Yes, that's my capital - he always has more armies to throw at it :) )
Actually with some buff spells I could make him pay much steeper price for the castles he takes from me but lack of Earth, Nature and Death gems prevents me from that.

@Bwaha, maybe you could actively help us by gating a few SCs to a safe spot in TC turf, then build a lab there and start GWing huge armies. With your help we could indeed bring TC down fast.

[Bwaha]

Wow, it took me about 2 hours to do this turn. And I'm not micro-managing. :shock:

[WraithLord]

Bwaha, Are you still with us?- I've sent you a PM since I got a notified that you have staled a few turns in a row.

Guys, Is R'lyeh staling?- If so, we should probably try to find him a sub. Though that late in the game would be quite difficult to find.

[Herode]

Yep, R'lyeh stales. I'm afraid Bwaha is no more interested in micro-managing the Thing in its late stages. As for me, I think I'll go to IA soon, the game does not seem to be much more interesting than a SP against overboosted AIs now... A fresh and clean LA game will be welcome, I guess :cool:

[WraithLord]

I'll post asking for a sub for R'lyeh, would you like for me to try and find a sub for you as well?

[Herode]

Ok ! (....)

[WraithLord]

Sorry to see you go, but I certainly understand (and to a certain degree share) your sentiment.
Please PM me with whatever information you'd like to relay to your sub or better yet fill him in when the time comes.

[WraithLord]

Ossa has volunteered to permanently sub for Jomon.

In general, its not very common for a player in a game to permanently sub for another player in that same game.

I do think that there are special circumstances that make this an exception but since it uncommon I'd like to hear what you guys, namely alhorro and klagrok, think about this.

[WraithLord]

slayers_ai has agreed to take over Jomon.

Welcome aboard slayers_ai :)

Herode can you please PM him with whatever information you think he'll require, including a password in case you had one.

Please tell me when the transition is complete so I could change the email address on the server.

[Herode]

PMd the few informations about Jomon to the sub.
You can switch the @address as soon as he confirms, I guess.

Cheers,
H.

[WraithLord]

Address switched.

If we don't find a sub for R'lyeh by the end of the week I don't see any choice but to turn it AI.

[klagrok]

Ive been permanently 'subbing' for Ossa in Qwerty since August. So it does happen. As for a 2nd powerhouse AI not sure where I stand on that one :)

[WraithLord]

Ive been permanently 'subbing' for Ossa in Qwerty since August. So it does happen. As for a 2nd powerhouse AI not sure where I stand on that one :)

Well, Qwerty is different since it started out as a team game. By now all teams but one are played by a single player. So it actually turned out to be a one player handles two nations game :)

Would you prefer a staling R'lyeh?

[alhorro]

Staling or AI'd R'lyeh disperse 90% of the game intrigue imo. Personally I'd vote for postponing the game till we find a sub. LA R'lyeh is the most popular LA nation and here even a lime-green player can gain experience of operating lategame R'lyeh with a leading position in MP. I think we should just advertise the vacancy properly, maybe using some eye-catching posters with tentacles, naked girls, hordes of FREE!!1 chaff, insane cats and all the stuff :/

[WraithLord]

I don't think postponing the game until we find a sub is a good option.
The game is already hanging by a thread. What with two players missing and the TC AI running amok. Add to that an indefinite wait for a sub and you may cause the rest of the players (me included) to lose whatever shred of interest they had left in this game.

Hey, if you so care for R'lyeh you should arrange some incentive for the potential sub, like a free supply of blood beer :beer: made in Mictlan breweries ;)

[alhorro]

Well, this game has been providing a very unique feeling of survival horror, and human-controlled R'lyeh could easily be the next evil super-empire that requires global nations cooperation to deal with. But if we set it to AI, the game becomes just another pretty predictable lategame snail.

[WraithLord]

But why all these sad thoughts :confused:

Bwaha is back and will assume control over neglected R'lyeh :D

[klagrok]

Is there any way we can delay Turn 78's deadline until January 3rd?? Know it will probably be due the 1st, but going on vacation and not sure if the weather will cooperate. Already sent in this turn, and it isnt due until the 28th---hopefully it wont be too long of a delay--thanks

[WraithLord]

NP. Njoy your vacation :)

[Bwaha]

I apologize for my lackluster performance. I will pay more attention to this game. I won't justify myself by excuses. I will have the next turn in tomorrow. Sorry guys. :doh:

An explanation of my tardiness is owed to you guys though, I got enthralled by a great forum populated by fellow veterans and have spent most of my free time hanging out with them. Sorry, it won't happen again. Bwaha :D

[klagrok]

Bossman, might need another 24 hr extention so I can make sure I have enough time to submit my turn--using bro-in-law's laptop, but game on my computer back in Utah. Should be good if weather cooperates. :)

[WraithLord]

done

[Bwaha]

Can we hold til Saturday Afternoon? Thanks :D

[WraithLord]

The hosting is scheduled for 13:00 GMT on Tuesday January 6th. Do you need a four day extension to Sat. 10th instead?

[Bwaha]

No, I just received the latest turn and also got a message saying that the game was hosting in six hours. I didn't have time to check Llama server so I just wanted to postpone till sat. the third. :D

PS. I just noticed where your posting from. Stay safe, and good luck.

[WraithLord]

ok then.

And thank you!

[WraithLord]

Had a crazy week and no time play the turn yet. I've added 24h that will hopefully suffice for me to take the turn.

[WraithLord]

ok. My turn is in. Last to go is Mictlan :)

[WraithLord]

Guys If I'm not mistaken last turns have hosted exactly at the moment the turn time has expired. This means that one or more players have staled. I suspect it may be R'lyeh again. Can you please help confirm whether R'lyeh is staling?- If so, I'll talk to Bwaha and if he can't play the game then try to find a sub for him.

[Redeyes]

This not enough (http://www.llamaserver.net/doAdminAction.cgi?game=Victoria&action=showstales)?

[WraithLord]

Wow, I didn't know the server had that capability. Awesome :)

So R'lyeh staled 3/5 last turns.
Bwaha, are you still interested in playing R'lyeh?

[Bwaha]

I hope this works, ny computer is locking up after a few moments of use. I'm sorry but I have to get a new one. Be back after this summer. Sorry, please replace me because this problem makes playing a game impossible. Good luck you all. Bye...:D

[WraithLord]

I'm sorry to hear that Bwaha :(

Thank you for the heads up I'll be posting for a sub now.

Hope you get your box fixed soon.

[WraithLord]

With no sub forthcoming for R'lyeh I have no choice but to turn it AI :(

[alhorro]

I have to admit that finally I've lost the interest for this game ):
Iirc I was the only one who had been voting for resuming the game, but now with 96 hrs interval (I can barely remember what were my orders after such large gaps between turns) and R'lyeh as AI it's not fun. If you guys are still interested, I'll try to find a sub, if not — hmm, is there a way to set all the nations to AI and enjoy the show? (:

[WraithLord]

Funny, now that I've finally managed to drive off TC forces I'm actually starting to enjoy the game again. I think Klagrok is also having fun. Don't know about Bogarus and Jomon.

R'lyeh as AI is inevitable, it seems no one wants to sub for it :(

alhorro, I'll give you the same reason you gave me to continue the game when I wanted to quit. You've come so far, you may as well finish the game.

But of course, my opinion is that the game should be fun the play and if it becomes a drag instead of fun, well then its up to you to decide.

I'll be sorry if you decide to quit. If you are sure about this can you please find a sub?

[alhorro]

Bogarus has went AI some time ago (:

I'd be enjoying the game, but it's the huge interval that drives me out. It may take another year to finish the game and no any visible short-term goal — as I've mentioned before, the main intrigue to me was R'lyeh. So could you please postpone a game for 24h while I'll try to find a sub?

[WraithLord]

Bogarus went AI???- My, that comes as a real surprise.

Of course I'll postpone by 24h.

[AreaOfEffect]

I'll step in for alhorro.

[AreaOfEffect]

I've received messages from Wraithlord and alhorro, mostly to welcome me and update me on the situation. I have only one problem, I haven't got a turn file yet. I have already requested a turn resend with no result. My conclusion is that my e-mail has yet been assigned to Mictlan.

[WraithLord]

My bad. Sorry for the oversight.

Email address changed and turn resent so should get to you soon. If not, you can ask for a resend at llamaserver (http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=Victoria).

[AreaOfEffect]

A new spirit has taken possession of the Malkav, the God of Mictlan. As his first act of rulership, the spirit has outlawed the practice of slavery. They are no longer obligated to stay within Mictlan and are asked to leave. Apparently, banishment counts as freedom.

[WraithLord]

Guys, I'd like to update you that I'll be on a 3 week vacation this coming March.
I have found a temporary sub for me and what a sub he is.
*drum beat*
The creator of our war ridden universe.
The Kohen Elion of Gath.
The one and only - Jazzepi.

I'll send a 2nd update on date regarding the actual transfer of authority over the unruly monkeys :)

[WraithLord]

ok. Jazzepi will take over Victoria until I'm back (25/03) effective next turn - 95.

He will need some extra time to process the turns. So I'll be adding one day to the schedule. I hope it ok with you guys.

[AreaOfEffect]

I'm cool.

[klagrok]

Works for me :)

[Jazzepi]

Sigh =\ I had the turn all ready, and I was going, send it out tonight for Patala, but I thought I had plenty of time because the server didn't send out a warning e-mail.

I think either Wraith Lord didn't setup proper forwarding rules so that I got that e-mail as well, or Llamaserver didn't send it.

Jazzepi

[AreaOfEffect]

Interesting you should say that. When last I checked the server I thought I had plenty of time as well. I didn't get to submit the turn and I therefore just staled without meaning to.

I just went through my e-mails and there is absolutely no notification that I was running out of time.

[WraithLord]

Are you guys referring to turn 94?

Jazzepi, I have played turn 94 and submitted it on time. I hope I made it clear in my email to you and in this thread (I specifically mentioned turn 95), sorry for any possible confusion.
Did you get turn 95?- If so this means that the forwarding rule works well. There's no real reason that it won't as I have successfully set several of those already.

AoE, I'm sorry to hear that you staled :(
I find it odd that the server didn't send a warning email. I know I got these in the past and they saved me from staling. Perhaps you'd want to alert llamaserver to that so that he may look into it.

[klagrok]

Dont count on email to make sure you dont stale--I have llama server under my favorites so I just check it a few times a day to see if my turns have made it and how long I have.

[AreaOfEffect]

I generally don't rely on the e-mail. I just find it strange that I didn't get one.

[klagrok]

Sometimes when I look at the server I confuse it's time with my time :) Missed a few turns myself that way.

[Jazzepi]

Yeah I thought I was suppose to do turn 94 ;) So I guess WL didn't stale!

Jazzepi

[klagrok]

Nope :) WL had his turn in a few days ago

[AreaOfEffect]

My apologies. This was my first attempt to sub for another player. I thought for a while it would be interesting to try, and indeed it was interesting.

Its taken me all this time to rid myself of my useless and costly chaff. Still a good proportion of it remains, but my upkeep is down and my mages and sacreds are up, which is satisfying. I also managed to double the blood slave output. Still, I don't find this game enjoyable. I just don't like picking up where someone else left off, especially since I think it to be a lot of work to bring the nation around to my standards.

I sat down to do my turn several times recently and just didn't have the heart each time. This is a game; games are meant to be fun; this feels more like work; I would therefore like to play another game. Again, I'm sorry.

[klagrok]

Jazeppi, any chance you change add a day or two to the hosting? Thought I had about 6 days, but appears I have about 23 hrs or so !!! :)

[Jazzepi]

I don't have the admin password for this :( WL never gave it to me. I thought we'd have a week, but then llama set the hosting cycle to 48 hours =\

Try to get your turn in. I'll send an e-mail/pm to llamabeast.

Jazzepi

[klagrok]

cool Ill give it a shot--hitting the pillow in a few, then will try when I get home from work--but it'll be close :)

[Jazzepi]

Make sure to check the server times to see if Llamabeast gets the e-mail in time to put the extension in.

Jazzepi

[WraithLord]

Hi, I'm back from my vacation and will take over Patala again.

Thank you so much Jazzepi for subbing for me.

I may need an extension to get this turn on time though.

[WraithLord]

I will need a few days extension for this turn.

I also noticed that the admin. pwd has changed so hopefully Jazzpei knows what happened. Hopefully that will allow me to resume admining for the game.

[AreaOfEffect]

All admin passwords were lost in the most recent llamaserver hiccup. Jazzepi should have the new one.

[klagrok]

WL go ahead and extend the deadline a day or so if you have too--havent really even gotten to my turn yet and think it is due in about 22 hrs.

[WraithLord]

llamabeast gave me the new password.
I've added two days. If any of you needs a bit more time please tell me.

[WraithLord]

AoE has notified me he has lost interest in the game. He will look for a sub and in case he won't find one he will turn Mictlan AI.

Thanks you AoE for subbing and for taking care of Mictlan's transition.

[klagrok]

Keep me informed bossman :)

[WraithLord]

Thank you AoE for subbing for Mictlan!

It looks like it just you and me now klagrok.

[AreaOfEffect]

No problem. Hopefully my huge undead armies won't be too much trouble.

[klagrok]

Nope I plan on 'recruiting' them :)

[WraithLord]

I presented to klagrok some of my nation's stats as of last turn. It would seem that Patala has a staggering advantage over Ctis what makes continuing the game pointless as the end result is clear.

It would appear that by turn 101 Patala is:
-> In control of close to two thirds of the map.
-> Has a total gem income of > 500 gems per turn
-> Has numerous armies and SCs (mainly Tartarians & Rudras) running around. Squads of MHers, EAers and GR casters.
-> Fully juiced AN up

In light of this klagrok has chosen to surrender.

klagrok, thank you for an awesome game!- One in which we both survived to the end game against impossible odds (and I think waging a losing war against a cheater qualifies as that).

The game was sometimes fun but mostly nightmarish for me. Early on I formed an alliance of nations to stop TC that was growing like crazy. He killed Utgard and Abysia easily. Then he managed to off one of the alliance members (RZ - Marignon) which hurt a lot.
He was very close to chocking the life out of my Patala as well - he had gained control of most of my provinces and also pushed my dominions rock bottom.
At that point it was discovered that TC was cheating and he was turned AI.
The rest of the game from there was an unexpectedly difficult war against TC AI. It turns out that if you give the AI hundreds of gems and many pre-made SCs and armies, it could do quite well. It took me&Mictlan&Ctis something like 30-40 turns to bring TC down (but not kill it yet!).

So it would seem the almost one year long game Victoria is finally over.
My Patala is victorious and I get more spare time ( yoohoo to the latter :) )

Thanks to all who played this game!

[WraithLord]

Oh, and I saved all the game turns so If anyone wants to take a look I can send them over. PM me with your email address if you're interested.

[klagrok]

Long live the lizards!!!!!! Oh and the monkeys too :angel