LA Game - Victoria - Running

[Jazzepi]

<font color="red">VICTORIA</font>
Game Type: PBEM (LLamaserver)
Speed: 24 hours per host for the first 20 turns moving to 48 hours per host after that if requested. Quickhost enabled. Staling will get you put on AI. Find a sub if you need a break, or ask for an extension.
Era: Late
Players: 15
Start: As soon as people upload their pretenders
Nation Selection: First Come, First Serve (Post here what you want)
Map: 15 provinces per player map, 225 total. Ry'leh will not have 15 water provinces available to them in their single starting lake. You can find the map as a zipped attachment.
Victory Conditions: None - Concession from other players, or power level over 9000
Hall of Fame: 10
Renaming: On
Graphs: Off
Everything Else: Defaults
Mods: Twan's Mist of Deception replacement mod
http://www.shrapnelcommunity.com/threads/showflat.php?Cat=&amp;Board=d3smm&amp;Number=596055&amp;page=0 &amp;view=collapsed&amp;sb=5&amp;o=&amp;fpart=1

To join

- Go to Game Tools -&gt; Create a pretender god in Dominions. Don't set a password, since for PBEM games they're not helpful and occasionally annoying (e.g. if you need a sub)
- Go to the savedgames/newlords folder in the dominions directory, and find your pretender file (e.g. mid_pythium_0.2h)
- E-mail the file to: pretenders[ at ]llamaserver[ dot ]net
- Crucially, you must have Victoria in the subject line of your e-mail


Jazzepi - Gath
Deonmag - Man
Herode - Jomon
Hadrian_II - Ulm
MX - T'ien Ch'i
Griefor - Ermor (ooo, scary)
Reverend Zombie - Marignon
WraithLord - Patala
Xanatos - Ry'leh
klagrok - C'Tis
Twan - Utgard
nozshand - agartha
Ossa - Bogarus
alhorro - Mictlan
Digress - Abysia

[Deonmag]

MAN

+ for hard research

[llamabeast]

Game is now set up on LlamaServer.

[Aezeal]

Personally I'd just make the mod to remove the spell if it's not allowed at all.. or use one of the changed versions.

[Herode]

Jomon please !

Agreed with Aezeal. Why don't you use Twan's mod for Mist of Deception ?

[Hadrian_II]

Ulm Please.

I would also use a mod if you want to ban a spell.

[MX]

T'ien Ch'i please.

[ano]

Jazzepi
Could you please tell what power level is and how it is counted?

[Herode]

This really doesn't matter. Whatever could be the formal criteria for victory, the only way to reach it is : destroy'em all. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/stupid.gif

[Jazzepi]

ano said:
Jazzepi
Could you please tell what power level is and how it is counted?



That was a joke.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Over+9000

Upon popular request I'll go ahead and use the MoD mod by Twan.

Jazzepi

[Griefor]

Is this a no Ermor allowed type game? If not, I'd like to play Ermor.

Otherwise, just give me Pythium.

[Jazzepi]

Ermor it is http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Jazzepi

[Reverend Zombie]

Marignon, please.

[WraithLord]

I'll take Patala.

[Reverend Zombie]

Marignon=Marignon in the player list.

Should be

Reverend Zombie-Marignon

[Xanatos]

I Will take rlyeh!

[Jazzepi]

Bump.

[fictionfan]

I am utgard

[fictionfan]

how do you join I am a noob

I don't really want to do a E-mail game

Never mind take me of the game

[klagrok]

Ill take Ctis is you still have spots http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Herode]

fictionfan said:
how do you join I am a noob


1 - declare what nation you want to play
2 - build your pretender with no password
3 - register it for this game under llamaserver :
http://www.shrapnelcommunity.com/threads/showthreaded.php?Cat=&amp;Number=531116&amp;page=&amp;view=&amp;sb =5&amp;o=
4 - welcome ! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Jazzepi]

He said he didn't want to play at the end of the post http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif

Jazzepi

[Twan]

Would be sad to let these poor little giants without a god, I take them (Utgard).

[nozshand]

agartha would be fun to play if you care to take one more.

[Twan]

It seems fictionfan has finally sent a pretender for Utgard.

No problem if he plays, I'll take Atlantis.

If he don't play please change his email to mine (antoinecani ... hotmail(dot) com).

[Jazzepi]

Bump. Just need 2 more now.

Jazzepi

[Ossa]

I'd like to join with Bogarus

[Jazzepi]

Just need one more.

Bump.

Jazzepi

[alhorro]

I'd like to join with Mictlan.

However, small question before sending my Pretender — what game version do you run (3.17 or 3.15) and whether you require any mods?

[Jazzepi]

alhorro said:
I'd like to join with Mictlan.

However, small question before sending my Pretender — what game version do you run (3.17 or 3.15) and whether you require any mods?



We'll be running 3.17 from the start. We'll be using only a single mod from Twan that modifies Mist of Deceptions to not break the game. You can get it below. There's also an attachment to the original post that has the map files in it you'll need to play the game.

http://www.shrapnelcommunity.com/threads/showflat.php?Cat=&amp;Board=d3smm&amp;Number=596055&amp;page=0 &amp;view=collapsed&amp;sb=5&amp;o=&amp;fpart=1

Jazzepi

[Jazzepi]

We need one more person to give us 15. Fanfiction bowed out even after submitting a pretender (annoying). I'm going to switch Twan over to Utgard if he likes. That means that Atlantis should be free.

Jazzepi

[Digress]

In as abysia

[Digress]

I see I am likely to be allowed to join as Atlantis ONLY - not all that interested as playing that particular nation.

[Twan]

So I switch back to Utgard.

re-edit :

Abysia being free I think there is no problem for you to take it (except llama perhaps need to be called to remove Atlantis from the game) .

[Jazzepi]

I contacted Llamabeast to remove the old Utgard, and Atlantis. Twan will probably have to reupload after that.

Digress, Abysia is definitely free. I'll add you in for that slot.

Jazzepi

[Jazzepi]

All we need now is Abysia to submit their pretender and we'll start this game off.

Jazzepi

[Digress]

Pretender in. Time to kick off.

[Jazzepi]

I messaged LLamabeast asking him to start off the game.

GOOD LUCK.

Jazzepi

[Ossa]

I'll be off from Friday to Sunday - could we pause the game for 2 days?

[Jazzepi]

Ossa said:
I'll be off from Friday to Sunday - could we pause the game for 2 days?



After the current turn processes I'll put in a 60 hour extension. Does that sound okay? That should give you 2.5 days .

Jazzepi

[Xanatos]

it just started=/

[Deonmag]

So pause for weekend?

[Jazzepi]

Put in a 60 hour delay.

Jazzepi

[Hadrian_II]

doh, it looks, like i am starting next to rlyeh. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif

[MX]

Hadrian_II said:
doh, it looks, like i am starting next to rlyeh. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif



You are more lucky than me.

[Deonmag]

Hey... what the hell with that weekend 60 hour delay??? I been just reported of 3 turn gone!

[Jazzepi]

I thought I put it in. Apologies http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif If you want to go AI I don't think anyone would object.

Jazzepi

[Deonmag]

My game is completely ruined. So I'm out http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif

P.S. Rlyeh will benefit from this greatly, as they can capture my home province without resistance.

[alhorro]

2Deonmag:

Although I don't understand how had you managed to miss 3 turns (I just looked at my mail, all the turns were done before the time-out), I think you should wait with switching to AI.

3 turns in the beginning are not deadly at all, actually, your losses're equal to 1 random bad event (btw, I've already had one in that game http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif ). And as for R'lyeh — it's very risky to siege someone's capital at the first turns.

So, maybe others have some small edge atm, but everything may change, cause diplomacy is allowed in this game.

[WraithLord]

Deonmag, don't despair - as alhorro said, the game has just started and over time you may make up for the lost turns and more.

[Deonmag]

Point is that I don't have Internet at home, so on weekend I was planing to visit my friend and check mail from him. But when I heard of 60 hour delay I just relaxed and invited that friend to play on my home local net... so I was anaware of going turns. That it.

[Hadrian_II]

Ulm is stomped, my start was way to close to rlyeh, and i took a bit of a gambit build, so im missing early game firepower.

I set myself to AI, and hope that everyone has a good game.

[Twan]

I can't open turn 10 I get a "turn file is corrupted" message.

I tried to ask for a resend, but had the same result.

[Twan]

Problem was solved in the second by Llamabeast The Fast One.

Thanks a lot.

[Herode]

Ermor out. 3 dead nations on turn 14. Wow ^^

[alhorro]

It was surprising.
Taking a look at HoF kills column we can assume that it was Utgard who'd gifted the Final Death to poor Ermorians. Am I right? (:

[Twan]

Yes. Ermor was rather unlucky to start in my backyard, considering local geography and his dominion stronger than mine I had no reasonable choice except rushing him.

[Twan]

Cool to have ermorian capitol, but less cool to have half my provinces under 1k pop.

So I invite anyone interested to bid here in gold for 25 death gems.

Minimal price is 350g. I'll take the best offer posted here before tomorrow (tuesday) at 15h GMT (effective trade will take place next turn).

[WraithLord]

I'll pay 425g for the gems (17g per gem).

[Twan]

425g one time...

About 6 hours left. Is there really only one candidate, or will there be a last minute outbid... ? suspense...

[Digress]

450 gold for said gems http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif

[WraithLord]

LOL, this is fun.

470

[Digress]

471 http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

[WraithLord]

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/yawn.gif

480

[Twan]

I should perhaps have fixed a minimum increment. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[Jazzepi]

481.5!!!!

jazzepi

[Twan]

The last offer isn't recievable as the .5 can't be paid. :p

Gems allocated to Patala for 480g.

[Jazzepi]

I demand a recount! The .5 was a hanging chad!

Jazzepi

[WraithLord]

Blah, I'll pay 500g. 18.5g for honorable factor http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Mighty Utgard, do we make the trade this turn?

[Twan]

Yes.

@Jazzepi Giant lawyers say : Biding was stated to be "in gold" not in chads or copper pieces. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

More seriously, a last minute +1 when WL which seemed motivated and made several serious offers was probably not online was rather evil. I would have accepted it only to respect the word of my rules, when I forgot to give a minimum increment. But with the .5 to give me an excuse to ignore the offer, I prefer to do so...

[WraithLord]

That's true. I was indeed offline. I've considered "setting" an auto agent that will increment the bid for me until a limit of 500g. But then I was sure someone would just abuse it and pull the bid up anyway so I haven't. In any case I think its a good trade, 25g per gem is what you get as an alchemist for fire gems.

[Jazzepi]

Twan said:
Yes.

@Jazzepi Giant lawyers say : Biding was stated to be "in gold" not in chads or copper pieces. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

More seriously, a last minute +1 when WL which seemed motivated and made several serious offers was probably not online was rather evil. I would have accepted it only to respect the word of my rules, when I forgot to give a minimum increment. But with the .5 to give me an excuse to ignore the offer, I prefer to do so...



I was joking D: I really don't need your CRUMMY GEMS!

GATH SMASH!

Jazzepi

[Digress]

WraithLord said:
LOL, this is fun.

470



If 470 was fun how could 471 not be more fun http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[Jazzepi]

90 hour extension put in and quickhost removed so that I can play in a grand prix this weekend.

Jazzepi

[Herode]

A Grand Prix ? It's a new mod ???

[Xanatos]

When will this game be running again?

[MX]

18:10 GMT on Tuesday June 24th.

[Jazzepi]

I'm back. Putting the game on quickhost again.

Thanks for bearing with me. I did poorly at the Grand Prix, but it was fun!

Jazzepi

[Jazzepi]

Actually, I'll wait until about the middle of tomorrow before putting the game back up.

We're approaching turn 20, does anyone want 48 hour hosting?

Jazzepi

[Ossa]

Not me, I'm fine with 24h

[WraithLord]

I'm currently fine with 24h. However, towards turn 30 I'd like to switch to 48h.

[Ossa]

Should Quickhost be enabled again?

[alhorro]

+1 for quickhost and 24h.

Btw, Mictlan wtb/t Dwarven Hammer(s).

[Herode]

Quickhost + 48h after turn 20.

[Xanatos]

Im up for quickhost +24 hours until at least turn 30.

[Jazzepi]

Game is back up, quickhost is on, we're still on 24 hour turns.

Jazzepi

[Xanatos]

Edit: nevermind=)

[Jazzepi]

Apologizes for the extensions.

I've been extremely ill and having trouble getting my turn in on time.

Jazzepi

[klagrok]

Looking for sub for one week or so http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif Hopefully will get one with this in two spots.......

[anticipatient]

I'll sub for ya klag. Just send the info to me and I'll send the host or whomever my email.

[Jazzepi]

Postponing the game hosting for 24 hours to give anticipatient time to adjust to the game.

anticipatient I sent you a pm with instructions.

Jazzepi

[WraithLord]

I think this is a good time to switch to permanent 48h quick host.

[Jazzepi]

anticipatient, are you there? I haven't gotten your e-mail address, or a PM from you.

Jazzepi

[anticipatient]

I'm on the road, so I only get to check things about every 20 hours. Sent my first turn as C'tis in.

[WraithLord]

Is there a problem with the game?- The current turn should have been hosted some time ago, but it got extended a few times.

[Herode]

Maybe this :

The LlamaServer seems to be having difficulty reaching its mail server at the moment. Fear not. Games won't host until it is fixed.

[alhorro]

Llamaserver difficulties have already been resolved. However next turn was postponed once again. And we're all still waiting for Agartha. As far as I remember, Agartha is almost destroyed, and he staled his last turn — so to my mind he just gave up without notifying us :-/

[Jazzepi]

alhorro said:
Llamaserver difficulties have already been resolved. However next turn was postponed once again. And we're all still waiting for Agartha. As far as I remember, Agartha is almost destroyed, and he staled his last turn — so to my mind he just gave up without notifying us :-/



I sent him a PM, I'm going to go ahead and set him to AI. I didn't realize he was almost gone anyways.

Jazzepi

[Jazzepi]

Moved over to 48 hour hosting intervals.

Jazzepi

[WraithLord]

Thank you Jazzepi!

[Digress]

I would like to request that we delay hosting for 6 hours - just broke my router. Firmware update has messed up my router (I think) - e-mail not being sent of recieved.

Will get turn in ASAP. Given my only contribution to the game thus far has been providing messy decorations/abysian corpses for Tien Chi to put on the end of lances I shall probably also be going AI.

I have added LA Abysia to the list of nations I detest (it joins MA Oceania and a couple I have now forgotten ... until I play them again)

cheers
Digress

[WraithLord]

I think that Abysia became really awful in dominions III. Of the three ages I was considering LA Abysia to have the best potential but admittedly I've never played them thoroughly.

If think I'll open a complaint thread about this in the main forum (if there isn't one already).

Its really sad how one of the most unique nations dating back to dom-I got so bad.

[Twan]

Argh my orders were ready but I forgot to send them it seems.

[Jazzepi]

I put in the extension.

Jazzepi

[Jazzepi]

I am pwnzored and Gath has been set to AI! *angry-fist shakes at Bogarus*

If anyone needs something, feel free to PM me, or send me an e-mail. I won't be watching this thread as closely as before.

Jazzepi

[Ossa]

Jippieh! That was my first victory in MP, then;)

I couldnt have done it without Jomon though;)

[WraithLord]

Sorry to hear that Jazzepi

However my first reaction is - what? - the all mighty Gath gone??? - Sorry, I'm referring to some early comments on the latest patch that the new nations are ubber powered. Perhaps Gath is indeed powerful but not enough to defeat two nations, at least not in this case.

With LA Ermor or R'lyeh it may sometimes take more nations to bring down, so at least new nations are not off the power scale.

[Jazzepi]

I was about to finish up Crushing Jomon, I just had an extremely good victory against their main forces, and then Bogarus joined the fight D:

I couldn't take both of them at the same time. In retrospect I should have gone for some supply items. I didn't realize quite how bad the supply issue would be!

The Gath giants are nice, I was using an E9 N6 blessing, but the Utagard giants are better. Even though you can't field as many of them, the cold aura is a ridiculous beating.

Jazzepi

[Jazzepi]

klagrok is back in control of C'Tis. I've given a 24 hour extension for him to get everything together for this turn.

That is all.

Jazzepi

[klagrok]

Wow appears Im at war!!! And appears Im kicking arse......guess I will have to continue the war and drive those pathetic undead haters back into the ground http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Herode]

Some fresh news and a little bump for our thread.

Heard about Abysia being badly beaten. Scouts report heavy TC activity. Hidden graphs are suspected to induce genetic mutations on Polypal puppies. Mictlan has worked on a new maleficient spell : Rain of Snails. Hide your salads, buddies !

[Twan]

You'll soon can add Utgard to the badly beaten by TC list.

TC is very advanced in research for a game in turn 40, and already using summons more than regular troops (and things like golems).

[MX]

Twan, your SC based forces are quite impressive...TC's life is not easy as well...

[WraithLord]

LOL, Strange weather disturbances in Patala coming from its west (TC) can only mean that one (or more) of the Air Queens has been summoned.

I hope the TC induced bad weather wouldn't have a global effect http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[MX]

WOW, 1 vs 4(or even more?). Is TC that strong and horrible??? Alright, it's not my first time facing such kind of situations. But this happened at turn 40, which is too early...Not sure how far TC can go, but I promise to produce enough troubles for each of my enemies http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif

Patala fight TC for the overlord position of the world, which is easy to understand...But I was confused why Mari &amp; Mict followed him?

"We attack you because you may attack us in the future." -- that's the "reason" Patala presented. But has anyone considered that once TC fall, Mari/Mict will certainly be attacked by Patala? Your "reason" is...excuse me...ridiculous. Especially for Mictlan, you even don't have access to my lands, what can you get from fighting us? I could pay double price if you are fighting for money/gems.

My neighbours, the world is in great war, and it's a chance to extend your own power. Choose your enemy wisely and please...fight for your own sake!

[alhorro]

Great manner of both asking and answering asked questions within one sentence.If you were not able to pay double price and produce enough troubles for everyone, nobody attacked you, especially Mictlan — we are such a peaceful nation that we don't even have weapons.

[WraithLord]

I thought Marignon was busy fighting Ctis, go figure...

It goes to show that each player has a mind of his own and probably the intel on TC scared them, enough at least to cause them to want to stop TC early. I'm not arguing the point whether they should or shouldn't attack TC. Everyone makes his own plans, if four nations were banding on me I would sure as hell feel bad about it, but every once in a while it happens, usually when I am strong enough to justify an alliance against me http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Oh but I can say one thing though, a nation that on turn 40 has so much money, so many gems, extremely advanced research, all kinds of SCs and huge mage backed armies that is easily eating other strong nations is IMHO begging to be ganged upon. For me personally this was the reason to break NAP with TC, it was plain old fear of the OMG huge,light years advanced nation to my west.

EDIT, wow didn't know there's an automatic censoring bot on posts. rephrased in more consensus terminology.

[WraithLord]

Jazzepi, you're still running this show, right?- If so, can you please add 24h to the current hosting interval. There's a very slight chance I'll be able to meet the current deadline.

TIA

[Jazzepi]

I postponed the current turn's hosting by 24 hours. Were you guys looking for a longer hosting interval in general?

Jazzepi

[WraithLord]

I personally would benefit from a 72h interval. You know, less "why are you staying so late at the damn computer???" remarks from wife http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Turns are getting longer and taking quite some time to process. I guess we can wait for 45-50, but still my vote goes for extending ASAP.

[MX]

I vote for 72h interval as well. You know that can delay the time of TC's death http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

[Jazzepi]

I'd like to hear from some more people! But unless there's any major objection I'll move the hosting forward to 72 hours.

Jazzepi

[klagrok]

72 good for me---had to AI a few games just to live.....getting ready to move across country (another month) so when that happens Ill let ya know if I need a break or if I need someone to sub.

[Herode]

72h quickhost is OK for me too. Better have a slower game than too many stales anyway. Real life always wins ^^

[Twan]

Already staled too much, so ok for 72h of course.

[Jazzepi]

Okay I went ahead and changed it up to 72 hours http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Jazzepi

[Jazzepi]

Also, I'd like to hear your guy's thoughts on the map. I might run another game using it.

Jazzepi

[alhorro]

The map is unbalanced due to the terrain. Some nations can build cheap forts only in mountains, and there are no mountains at all on this map. Therefore nations, which can build cheap forest/swamp/etc forts have an advantage.

[Jazzepi]

You'd think that the map generator would have added in some mountains.

I'll make sure to add some to it next time.

Really though that's a fault of the castle system being virtually broken http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif

Jazzepi

[Twan]

Hum my region (south west) is full of mountains.

[alhorro]

Border mountains != regular mountains regarding forts.

[MX]

All land nations start at south east corner died in early game. They border to Rlyeh and have very little space to build up their own country.

[alhorro]

I'll be away for about a week, LDiCesare will be subbing for me.

[Herode]

Hmmm, there's something I don't understand :

This message is just to let you know that I received a 2h file from you, and it seems to be fine.

Details:

Game name: Victoria
Nation: Late Era Jomon
Turn number: 42

Who's sent their turn in:
Marignon Waiting for 2h file
T'ien Ch'i Waiting for 2h file
Patala Waiting for 2h file
Mictlan Waiting for 2h file
Utgard Waiting for 2h file
Jomon 2h file received
Bogarus Waiting for 2h file
C'tis Waiting for 2h file
R'lyeh 2h file received

The turn will process when all 2h files have been received, or at the latest at 03:55 GMT on Wednesday August 6th.


Mail date : 03/08/2008 11:15.
And the turn 43 file says : stale turn... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif
Maybe a delayed Global from Gath ? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

[llamabeast]

Ah. Very weird! Really sorry Herode, I don't know what happened there. I can confirm both that the server did receive the file, and that it wasn't present when the game hosted. Since something like this hasn't happened before, I can only guess that I must have messed something up while I was working on the server (which I've been doing a lot lately, but have now very nearly finished doing). Again, really sorry about that, I hope it hasn't messed you up too badly.

[Herode]

No problem llama, I just reported in case it should have hidden some kind of bug.
But it's the price to pay for the new tools you added to your server, I will gladly pay it http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

[Ossa]

Can the admin of this game plz pm me?

[WraithLord]

Hi,

I'm not feeling well and will need to spend a few days in the hospital.
Can we please postpone hosting for three days?

TIA,
WL

[Twan]

Ermor citadel is now in TC hands as well as Utgard capitol.

The last giants have elected a new jarl (AI).

[Jazzepi]

Hi,

I'm not feeling well and will need to spend a few days in the hospital.
Can we please postpone hosting for three days?

TIA,
WL

Done.

Jazzepi

[WraithLord]

Thank you Jazzepi.

I have an update though. I was just released from the hospital :) and pending more analysis may or may not need to return in the next few days. Its some type of CMV or other similar virus that has my medics concerned. Anyway, for now I'm back home so for my part we can go back on schedule.

[Jazzepi]

Reversed the hosting delay by 72 hours.

Jazzepi

[Herode]

Ermor citadel is now in TC hands as well as Utgard capitol.

The last giants have elected a new jarl (AI).
And distributed some stuff, very welcome here :p
Requiescat in pace.
:deadhorse:

[Herode]

I'm willing to buy death gems vs fire/earth/nature gems. Anyone interested please PM me :skull:

[WraithLord]

Boy oh boy, I have never expected such a fierce war against TC.

TC must have worked his researchers to death b/c nothing else can explain the huge research advantage it has. And probably TC has a portal to another dimension in which are cached gems, armies and summons :)

Way to go TC, you're giving a great fight. (Too great if you ask me ;) )

[MX]

Our research speed is just ok. Have seen someone finished up all researches at turn 55. I'm quite slow actually:p

Before TC's death I'll help an eastern nation connect to another dimension as well.:angel You guys never win:D

[Herode]

Huhu, R'lyeh with a Stellar Focus preparing some Wish factory, who would love this ? :sick:

Is there anybody able to dispell this thing quickly ?

[WraithLord]

The markets of Patala are open for trade. Patala is interested in earth or death gems. In return it can give equal amount of astral or fire gems, or even forge up to lvl 6 items of equivalent cost.

Also to the players on the westerns side of the map I'm afraid I have some unpleasant news. The three nations set about to stop TC (Patala, Mictlan and Marignon) have not met their objective, not even close. What happens is that TC is breaking the resistance and is on the attack. Updates to follow.
So, unless we manage to stop it you may end up with a nation that controls territories belonging previously to six different nations. Consequences should be clear.

This is also a good point to take off the hat at the great show MX is putting on. Shrewd and cunning, he is slowly but surely crushing the opposition. Way to go friend :)

[WraithLord]

Turn 55 and its taking me ages to complete every turn.
Fellow players, what do you think about switching to 84h or 96h?

Last turns are quite stressing since there's so much to do and so little time so I usually half finish my turns :(

Anyway, I'll be out of home this weekend so can we please extend hosting by 24h?

[Jazzepi]

Put in a 48 hour extension.

Is there anyone else interested in switching to a longer hosting cycle?

Jazzepi

[MX]

I'll feel more comfortable if we switch to 96 hours/turn.

BTW, how many of eastern nations feel comfortable with that Astral Corruption? TC will try to dispel it. If failed then it's time for us to have a discussion...

[alhorro]

MX, check your turn, my poor little corruption has already been dispelled, and I doubt it had any effect at all due to the damned ritual casting order (:

[WraithLord]

Broadcast to all nations of the world.

There are no score graphs so those of you with less than perfect intelligence may miss the recent developments.

TC is beating us, us as in the three nations set to stop him after he devoured Abysia and Utgard. We will not last long against him, exhausted of our resources and beaten badly with every new turn. TC already controls close to third of the map and closing on half if current state of affairs continues. He is way in end game in terms of SCs, spells, resources etc.

Now, MX you have played marvelously and if you manage to pull this through you deserve the victory. However it is my obligation to give a fair warning to all the nations of the world. Either you stop whatever you are doing now and do your best to counter TC or you face a 100% probability of losing the game! Listen or forsake the game. Make your choice and make it fast.

PM me if you are going to take a stand.

[Jazzepi]

Changed the hosting time to 96 hours per host.

Jazzepi

[MX]

TC currently controls less than one third of the world, but the bloody-evil-axis control more than that... Now they want more slaves to set up a new shining Astral Corruption. Yes, they want slaves from other nations, to carry out their own evil tasks...

Ask Mictlan what they have gotten from attacking a remote nation. If they go other directions Mictlan may already control another third of the world. Same words to everyone, fight for your own sake.

[alhorro]

Brave Mictlanese virgins step onto the altars on their own will, cursing the evil narrow-eyed aggressors. We thought we were able to stop TC with 3 nations cooperation, but we failed even to slow it's movement. Don't think you can stay away from the war. Fellow lizards, just take a look at the inquisitors, whom you had been fighting for a while. Illichtids, instead of dispelling my harmless corruption, use the gems to observe the zone of conflict. You may be surprised.

[WraithLord]

TC currently controls less than one third of the world, but the bloody-evil-axis control more than that... Now they want more slaves to set up a new shining Astral Corruption. Yes, they want slaves from other nations, to carry out their own evil tasks...

I think its as I describe it. Marignon's lands are largely taken, Mictlan and Patala are invaded and losing ground and armies at an alarming rate. I can send screenies of what I see of the map to any player who needs further convincing.


Ask Mictlan what they have gotten from attacking a remote nation. If they go other directions Mictlan may already control another third of the world. Same words to everyone, fight for your own sake.
:lol of course you want them to fight for their own sake, its called the "domino effect". Its understandable that you'd want that as it means your victory (justly deserved as I said earlier).

[MX]

To alhorro:
In this MP game, TC declared war to only one nation--Abysia. I'm not a aggressor. My neighbors pushed me to current position.

To WL:
TC controls 70 provinces. Bloody evil axis own at least the same amount of provinces.

[WraithLord]

You know I actually started to count provinces :)
Then realized that's just stupid.

I gave my warning, now let each player decide for his own.
They don't heed it, you win.

[Herode]

Jomon hears your warning. Unfortunately, we have no choice but to fight R'lyeh. This nation has captured many provinces from Gath after the Jomon-Bogarus alliance eventually defeated Gath, there is no way we can accept this. More important right now is the fact that R'lyeh has a very agressive Dominion spreading in our provinces and causing a lot of trouble and affliction. We cannot stand such a vicinity. We can consider stopping the war against R'lyeh if this nation destroys enough temples to keep his dominion in a reasonnable fashion and if it gives back the provinces stolen from former Gath. This is the only viable option for me.

[WraithLord]

Sounds like a reasonable compromise given the alternative. I wholeheartedly suggest you work out your differences and do what you know has to be done.

The western nations (or the "bloody axis" as we were called :) ) will not last very long. Then I'd be really really surprised if any combination of powers could stop TC. Besides having vast resources, research and tons of SCs, MX is a real cunning player, so I'd put all my money on him :D

[Xanatos]

I would say that Bogarus is lying outright. But that would be impolitic of me...in honesty, when Gath left the game I told Bogarus via ingame messaging that I would claim his capitol and another province (the one that connects my ocean to the sea above me) and that he could claim the rest if he wanted...he agreed to this. I have not aggressed on him or jomon until they began attacking me...however..I own 4 capitals now, including my own, and would glady devote my services to destroying the superpower if I am still needed..

Sorry to say I've not been on the forums lately, I've been playing via ingame messaging, due to time constraints in RL - if anyone wants me however please email me at Xanatos (at) Triad (dot) rr (dot) come and let me know what you need me to do...I am afraid my options are limited while I am fighting both jomon and Bogarus...unless they agree to back off.

[Herode]

Xanatos, Bogarus is not lying because I am Jomon ;)

Moreover, Bogarus does not have the ability to grant you ownership for any Gath's former provinces since Bogarus has an alliance with me, Jomon, to
1 - defeat Gath and to share his provinces
2 - once done with Gath, to attack you.

If you had some trade with Bogarus I had not been aware of, you shall clarify your mutual positions but Jomon won't pay for these occult trades between Bogarus & R'lyeh.

As for Jomon, the situation is quite simple : the war against Gath has been costly and hard. I had to defend, then regain my provinces with heavy losses. In the process, my net benefit is 4 provinces... R'lyeh easily occupied 10+ undefended provinces while we were sieging the last forces from Gath.

Obviously, Jomon can't accept this. Neither can I accept your dominion spreading deeply in my provinces as it is presently doing. I just can repeat my former assertion : peace is possible if you withdraw in your sea and destroy enough temples to keep your dominion pression reasonable. Otherwise, Jomon has no other choice but war.

[MX]

ehhh...You guys are about to make the same mistake...help Patala to defeat TC, then let them easily occupy all undefended provinces...Then you will be facing another superpower...Monkey empire with 100+ provinces!!!

[WraithLord]

Well Patala has lost so much in this war, its resources, SCs, armies. Now its losing provinces, one of its castles is about to be taken. More armies are heading towards other castles. Tartarian SCs are being produced and used to take its provinces.

Patala would consider itself lucky if the world survives TC and Patala happens to make it out alive as well.

100+ provinces is a fantasy that seems completely unrealistic. If Patala ever comes to that feel free to band together and hack the hell out of it :D

[MX]

ehhh...WL why don't you announce your great victory in last turn? I thought you enjoyed sharing your story with other players...

ehhh...Let's see what else you are hiding except your real power...

[WraithLord]

ehhh...WL why don't you announce your great victory in last turn? I thought you enjoyed sharing your story with other players...

ehhh...Let's see what else you are hiding except your real power...

What victory MX?- Tell me province # and I'll gladly spin the tale. Though I don't recall any great victories last turn, or are you referring to new turn, which I still haven't opened.

Why don't you tell how you killed Marignon. Now you own Marignon, Ermor, Abysia and Jotun lands in addition to your own. So you are like the most advanced and resource heavy combination of four nations. I think the other nations get the gravity of the treat you are presenting so I need not do any convincing anymore.

[MX]

*Cough*I certainly mean the fight outside your castle...One of my amry was completely destroyed:hurt::hurt::hurt:Superb Rudra sc of Patala finally appeared:cold::cold::cold:

Marignon died because they rushed to my lands hastily, while Patala hide their powerful force behind walls...:angel::angel:

[WraithLord]

MX, what are you talking about???
Are you referring to turn 58?- As I said I still didn't see it but I'll tell you one thing, I don't have any Rudra. I had one but the poor bastard died on turn 57 while defending one of my castles from getting captured (costly victory if ever there was one, lost most of my army in that cursed battle).

Why Marig died is besides the point. That you own so much turf is, at least for me :)

[WraithLord]

Jazzepi, Can you please add 48h for this turn?- Its holiday time in Israel, "Rosh Hashana" actually (like Christmas, only this one came first :D ) and I will be out of home most of this week.

TIA.

[WraithLord]

MX, I've been seeing inconsistencies between battle replays and actual battle results all game long so its no wonder to me that I've lost an important battle. I assume you refer to battle in 47, right?- I got no report of a major battle there, just my scout moving in to take a peek. One day, when this game is over please tell me the tale of the missing battle.

[MX]

Such kind of problems happened to me too:cold: I'm completely confused:doh:

[WraithLord]

Seem like this turn crashed. Quote:
"
Hi. On trying to host Victoria just now, Dominions crashed. This is not a LlamaServer issue, but rather Dominions itself crashed with a "Nagot gick fel" error.

These errors are normally caused by a (generally inexplicable) problem with one of the players' 2h files. Therefore the LlamaServer moved all your 2h files away before hosting again. This is why you will receive a new turn file in which you've staled.

There are two options from here. Either you can treat the stale turn as a random event and carry on with the game, or you can roll back the turn and try to host again. If you try the latter your game admin will have to do the rollback via the admin options on the LlamaServer website, and you will all have to do your turns again. Note that in this case it is _really important_ that you actually do redo your turn, rather than just sending in the same one again (which people sometimes seem to do because they don't believe me). If you just send in the same file, hosting will simply fail again.

I hope you manage to get the game back on course, whichever option you go for.
"

So what now?- I prefer the option of rollback. Maybe with small changes to turn files the turn will host correctly.

[WraithLord]

FYI, I've emailed llamabeast with following Qs. I'll update as to response.
"
so what I'd like to know is:
1. Is it possible to discern the offending 2h file?
2. Is it possible to run hosting in debug mod or some such and learn why the turn crashed (meaning for example, whether a certain battle or ritual or move order caused the crash)
3. If we rollback and everyone give same orders won't the hosting crash again?
4. If we rollback and everyone modify their turn, won't that achieve the same effect towards eliminating the crash as replaying the turn from scratch?
5. If we choose not to rollback, give more or less same orders as in previous turn and hosting crashes again. Then what?- Do we need to forsake the game or is there any way to workaround or fix the crash?
"

[Herode]

I'm also in favour of a rollback.

[WraithLord]

Jazzepi, It would seem that we would need to rollback this turn and pray it doesn't crash again.

Having spent about three hours on last turn I don't plan to redo it from scratch for two reasons: first, even if I do it from scratch it will be very similar to what I did since I'm quite pedantic when doing my turns and usually keep a ToDo list in my head for most of the actions I want done and Second, I don't know what's the reason for the crash - it might be R'lyeh auto summon or some battle or some ritual that bombed the turn so w/o knowing the reason we could get a crash even if we redo turns and rehost.

I suggest to rehost with the old .2h files. Maybe we'd get lucky and turn will host.
Ideally llamabeast could provide us with a way to get a debug log of the hosting, this will hopefully tell us why the host crashed.

[Herode]

Note that in this case it is _really important_ that you actually do redo your turn, rather than just sending in the same one again (which people sometimes seem to do because they don't believe me). If you just send in the same file, hosting will simply fail again.
;)

At least we should load our respective turns and press the "end of turn" button to re-build your 2h file. At least...

[WraithLord]

Note that in this case it is _really important_ that you actually do redo your turn, rather than just sending in the same one again (which people sometimes seem to do because they don't believe me). If you just send in the same file, hosting will simply fail again.
;)

At least we should load our respective turns and press the "end of turn" button to re-build your 2h file. At least...
Good idea. Guys, I suggest we all do this once the turn is rolled back.

[Jazzepi]

I'm going to do a rollback in about 24 hours unless anyone has an objection they'd like to raise.

Jazzepi

[WraithLord]

Thanks!

I pray :bow: to dominions guardian :angel: that this game will not explode. Had too many of those recently :(

[MX]

The game crashed?! So I wasted three hours in that turn?!:shock:
No matter whether we roll it back I have to redo last turn?!:doh: Another three hours?!:eek:

[Jazzepi]

I don't think you have to redo the entire turn, you just need to access the old turn you have laying around, and go to click "end of turn" to rebuild it. At the very least.

Sometimes this doesn't help.

Jazzepi

[Herode]

Hello from the LlamaServer.

I received an e-mail from you, but unfortunately there seems to be a problem with it.

Your 2h file seems to be for a different turn number to the one the game's currently on. The 2h file is for turn 58, while the game is now on turn 59.
Looks like the rollback failed, or maybe am I missing something ?

[WraithLord]

I think the rollback hasn't taken place yet.

[llamabeast]

Okay, I'm just working finally on answering Wraithlord's questions. I'd normally be a little disinclined to, as it's a fairly long job, but if his turn took 3 hours(!), well, then I'm happy to make a bit of an effort.

Right, here's the error:
N�got gick fel!
mapmove: bad unr
N�got gick fel!
mapmove: bad unr
Aborted

And... having tried by a process of elimination, it's Tien Ch'i's 2h file that breaks the hosting. Only he will need to resubmit.

I'll submit the files to Johan. Repeatable crashes are a valuable commodity. And thankfully a rare one too.

[llamabeast]

So, to be clear, what you need to do is:

- Roll back to last turn
- Have T'ien Ch'i send in his turn. No-one else needs to.
- Force hosting, even though most players will be on "Waiting for 2h file". The server has the files and will use them, so it'll be fine.

T'ien Ch'i should redo his turn from scratch to minimise the chances of a repeat.

[WraithLord]

WOW. I'm out of words. bravo :clap: llamabeast. I have asked the Qs not really expecting an answer b/c I assumed there's work entailed. Then you went and actually checked and found the error. Really amazing, both your willingness to help and finding the root cause.

On a lighter note. I knew it was evil TC who crashed the turn ;) It happens b/c he has too many SCs, lands and income. I have a solution for TC, give me some of your lands, that will make your turns crash free :D

Seriously now, MX, I'm sorry you'll have to do redo your turn. Its a real bummer and I hope this is a single case episode.

[MX]

It's a critical time...and TC planed to throw a lot of ritual spells into Patala capital...may that cause the problem? I mean, is there any limit like you can't cast more than x spells at one province?

I'll reduce the amount of missiles...lucky you WL...

[llamabeast]

MX has been banned.

We owe thanks to WraithLord who raised concerns about MX's extraordinary success in the game. To WraithLord's credit he did so with considerable trepidation and did not wish to make allegations, but just to reassure himself that all was well. I took a look at some of MX's turn files, and found that he had been cheating.

I won't say exactly how he'd been cheating, because that would be stupid, but suffice to say that his 2h files had been tampered with, and much of his success in this game (and probably in his other game, Fools) was a result of that tampering. I sent the files straight away to JK who confirmed that the files had been tampered with. He's already made a fix, so that from the next patch such cheating will no longer be possible.

Unlike Norfleet, the infamous cheater of Dom2, MX seems to have been very subtle, and it took me a while to find things which were definitely wrong, rather than just impressive for the turn number. We were lucky to catch him.

Although I've banned MX (with lch's and JK's approval), I will send him an e-mail to see if he has anything to say for himself. That seems only fair.

I'm sorry that your game will have been really rather fouled up by all this. Anyway, in a moment I will roll the game back to last turn, and replace MX's turn with an order to set T'ien Ch'i to AI. Then I'll force hosting and you can resume the game. Incidentally it could well have been some error in MX's tampering which caused the crash on last turn. I don't know.

[alhorro]

Great job llama (:

[WraithLord]

As I told llama so I tell you my friends to this game and all dominions players who may be reading this.

I am SHOCKED and greatly saddened :(

I had my doubts all game long but I didn't, couldn't, bring myself to think badly on a fellow player. Even when TC success seemed impossible, research impossibly fast, resources impossibly high I kept telling myself, maybe he got lucky, maybe he has the greatest sites possible but most importantly, why would he want to cheat anyway, its pointless since we are playing for fun, not to win any prize or money. The trust I have in fellow players is embedded really strongly in me and not for nothing, I guess I was fortunate enough to always play with honest and friendly players.

I'm sorry for Abysia, Jotun and Marignon who have died in vain against impossible odds. Hey, I was very close to joining their fate.

Though this whole episode pains me I'm proud and not ashamed of having done this service to the community.

I'm grateful to llama for checking just to rest my mind at ease.

Thank you llama!!! you're my hero.
Thank you JK for confirming this and making the fix.

[Jazzepi]

It seems like when llamabeast put the AI-set turn in for MX that the turn bugged out again. Or are we okay?

Jazzepi

[llamabeast]

Yeah, you're okay. I sent another message out which you should have got, although I may have been a bit unclear. Just make sure you use the most recently received turn, in which it should not say that you've staled.

[Herode]

why would he want to cheat anyway, its pointless since we are playing for fun, not to win any prize or money
Agreed. I simply cannot understand this. What's the interest of winning if you cheat ???? This is just, well, I don't know... immature ? :confused:

Anyway, congrats to you & llama for the investigation.
And back to Victoria, let the Holy Wars go on ! :p

[llamabeast]

Just thought I'd confirm that MX was happy to admit cheating in his e-mail to me. He said "Sorry to use players as samples of my experiment... Good job llamabeast". Feels like Holmes catching Moriarty (not that I'd claim Holmes-like skills were required by any means). So there we are.

[Jazzepi]

Just thought I'd confirm that MX was happy to admit cheating in his e-mail to me. He said "Sorry to use players as samples of my experiment... Good job llamabeast". Feels like Holmes catching Moriarty (not that I'd claim Holmes-like skills were required by any means). So there we are.

Sounds about as lame as what Norfleet said when he was caught.

Excuses, excuses.

Losers.

Jazzepi

[Sombre]

Definite Norfleet style response. Equally stupid person.

[WraithLord]

Plausibly same person IMHO

[llamabeast]

I don't know. I think MX is Chinese. I don't think Norfleet was Chinese.

[WraithLord]

I stand corrected and will try to control my rampaging imagination :)

[archaeolept]

response is norfleetish. evidence that MX is chinese is rather poor - easy to set up proxies.

[Zeldor]

But isn't it standard response? But good to hear that at least security for .2h files will be improved, it should have been done long time ago, I just hope no more people will pop up when that protection becomes active.

[WraithLord]

Yes, me too. Although if there are more of this ilk I'd rather they'd be flushed out.

Believe me there's nothing (game play wise) more frustrating than playing against someone who cheats because there's no real game here, just an abuse of the fair players.

[Zeldor]

I'm quite surprised you guys want to continue that game instead of starting new one.

[WraithLord]

I've played to long already to just throw it all away. Besides, now the game gets even more interesting since the overlord is gone.

[lch]

evidence that MX is chinese is rather poor - easy to set up proxies.
I'm pretty sure that he's chinese, just judging from his email address.

[Xanatos]

I think i may need a sub for Rlyeh=(

[Twan]

Not really a surprise for me. I hesitated to post something about MX norfleetish amount of gems and research level when we were at war, but didn't wanted to launch a false accusation, like WL said he could just have been very lucky with sites etc...

I continued to follow this thread just to see if my impression was right. Unfortunately it was.

[WraithLord]

I had good intel on TC from very early on and got suspicious by seeing the composition of his armies, the spells he had available from early on. I kept telling myself its not fair to think like that and that he may have had great luck, income etc. However as the game progressed the inconsistency between what a nation that controls that many provinces at that stage of the game could output vs. what TC had going became staggering (to my judgment of course).

I would have said nothing anyway and let MX win just so as not to make a false accusation. However the crashed host, combined with the fact that TC turn had caused that crash due to illegal move or something caused all the alarm bells in my head to start ringing, the rest was handled by the capable hands of llama and JK.

I'm sorry this wasn't discovered earlier or I'm sure his war against you would have ended differently (remember, I came to your help, but against his hordes you stood no chance).

There's good end to that story as JK will tighten security in next patch :)

[Xanatos]

how do I go about getting a sub for Rlyeh?

[Herode]

You'll have to open a thread for this, I guess.
Maybe also ask Jazzepi some delays if you don't have time to play the next turns. It can be very annoying to stale when you're at war ^^

PS : and wow, it's the first time I see a Vastness in action. Tremendous. R'lyeh will be very difficult to repell of you have some SC like these... (and the Visitor is not cool neither :doh::))

[klagrok]

Dont know about the rest of you but Ive never had such a pathetic gem income in any of the games Ive ever played. At least my income isnt that bad.

[WraithLord]

Jazzepi, can you please postpone hosting by 24h?

TIA

[Jazzepi]

Done.

Jazzepi

[WraithLord]

Done.

Jazzepi

Strange. Server still gives same time for hosting:
"
Game: Victoria
Turn number 60
Next turn due: 20:12 GMT on Wednesday October 15th
"

[Jazzepi]

Tried again.

"Hosting postponed for Victoria by 24 hours. The game will now host at 20:12 GMT on Thursday October 16th.

Please note that this information will not be updated on the game status page for a few minutes.

Return to game page "

Jazzepi

[WraithLord]

Xanatos has informed me that he will not be able to complete the game. He has been involved in an accident and has fractured his spine.

Do you think its possible to find a sub for him at this stage of the game?- If so, we'll need to pause the game for a few days to give this attempt a chance.

[Herode]

Ouch :sick:
Sorry for him. I hope he's not too badly wounded...

As for the sub, the only way to know is to try. The other option is to set R'lyeh to AI. This will be the second AI in the game, and the 2 AI have very strong positions. Can be interesting also. Anyway, the game balance is messed after TC cheats, then I don't really care to have a standard game now. I'm just playing the last Victoria stages as test runs for my first Jomon build.

And I can tell you this build was not so good :re:

[WraithLord]

Agreed. Gave it a shot there (http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?p=646280#post646280).

Jazzepi, if we do manage to get a sub I think he'll require a few more days to get up to speed.

[Jazzepi]

I indefinitely postponed hosting (added 1000 hours) so you guys will have time to look for a sub.

We'll go back to whatever the regular scheulde is after you guys either find a sub or decide to put ry'leh to AI.

Jazzepi

[WraithLord]

Thank you Jazzepi.

I suggest to give it a shot for a few days. At worst case we turn R'lyeh AI (which I assume will lead to late night parties at Bogarus and Jomon cities ;) ).

[Ossa]

Due to Ryleths strong domain all my army leaders are partying all the time now anyway... everyone is wearing a fancy hat already now.

[WraithLord]

LOL :)

They can join the parties at the Naga Spirit asylum, where many Patala commanders either choose to or are forced to stay.

[Jazzepi]

Wraithlord, would you be interested in taking over the admin duties from me? I need to start getting ready for my trip to Germany, and having less responsibilities will be helpful.

Jazzepi

[WraithLord]

Wraithlord, would you be interested in taking over the admin duties from me? I need to start getting ready for my trip to Germany, and having less responsibilities will be helpful.

Jazzepi

NP. Have a nice trip :)

[WraithLord]

Good news. We have a sub for R'lyeh. Welcome aboard Bwaha. I hope you'll have a good game.

Jazzepi I've PMed you with his email, could you please set it in server?

I suggest to give Bwaha some time to digest his first turn, then return to normal schedule.

[WraithLord]

Oh, ok, got your PM Jazzepi. I'll assume admin responsibilities as of now (sounds important ;))

[WraithLord]

Brought back next hosting to this week:
"The game will now host at 12:13 GMT on Saturday October 25th."

[Bwaha]

Hello all,:doh: I just asked for a turn resend from Llama server. I'm looking forward to a fun game, I'm sure I will learn a lot. And do some schooling too. :D

[Bwaha]

Okay got it, took a brief glance at the Rylah empire. Very strange. I guess when you sub for someone you get a glimpse into that persons thoughts.
Ok, why have you guys allowed Tein Chi to put all those Globals? No slur intended, mind you. Next I would ask for the gems to put down the wrath of god.
Could you guys post the international agreements? I can tell who my allies are, at least I think so. Its easy to tell whom my enemies are.
Speaking of hats. I ask a boon, Send me a hat, I don't care which hat you send, because We are mad as a hatter. Bwaha ha ha, oops... :D

PS. It will take a day to unravel this set up. Please be patient, although I'm really fast. I've played war games for the last 35 years. Heh, Professional skill: War gaming 8 :D

[WraithLord]

Guys, I'll be on a long weekend vacation between 10/31 - 03/11. I'd like postpone hosting at this time so that I don't stale.

[Bwaha]

Well, I've submitted my turn. Let the world stand in awe of the might of the resurgent empire of Rylah...:D

[alhorro]

I can't keep from sharing this screen with you :D
Meet Just Another TC Scout:
http://www.picamatic.com/show/2008/10/21/09/48/1222509_bigthumb.jpg (http://www.picamatic.com/view/1222509_tcscout/)

[Herode]

Wonderful. I guess such a boosted IA will be a real challenge for his unfortunate neighbours. ;)

BTW, here is in the east, we have to deal with R'lyeh and that nation also makes his neighbours unfortunates !

I think I'm going to open a "Is LA R'lyeh overpowered ?" thread :D

[Bwaha]

If you saw the battles I was in you would sadly shake your head and say no. :D

[Herode]

You may be right in facts, but is there any way to stop hostile propaganda ? :p

I've not yet read my turn. This night I guess. More facts/propaganda ASAP :angel

[klagrok]

Man, I hope llama gets back soon---getting pretty sick of the email every hour about my turn being resent

[Herode]

Bah. Just set a filter and the appropriate rules in your mail client. Against a mad automaton, automatisation is the only solution :p

[WraithLord]

It seems like the previous turn has hosted. However I've sent two turns to the server. First one was a half done turn (sent on the 29/10) and a second one (sent on the 30/10) complete with my orders.

Unfortunately the server has hosted with my half done turn causing me a catastrophic turn :(

I will go ahead and ask Llama for rehosting with my second turn file. I will not send a new turn file of course, I'll just ask for rehosting with my updated file what should have happened anyway if not for the server crashing.

[WraithLord]

ok, I've reported this at the thread about llamaserver down.
A way to fix the issue was presented there - to rollback to previous turn.

From Llamaserver's description of rollback:

Quote:
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This will cause the game to return to the previous turn.

Note that I generally recommend not doing this. The main reason for this is the fact that players have already seen the current turn, and so they know what would happen given the set of moves they used last time. Hence, consciously or not, they are very likely to use this information to change their actions next time they submit a turn. Even assuming none of the players' actions are affected, there will always be a suspicion in the mind of the other players if battles turn out significantly differently. Therefore just in the interest of having the game feel completely fair, I think rollbacks are a bad idea.

Having said that, there are situations where rollbacks are called for, which is why I've included the option here.

Read this next bit carefully. I seem to be having difficulties explaining it coherently:

Note that once the game is rolled back, it will appear that the game is waiting for 2h files from all players. However, the 2h files from last time the turn was played will in fact be there, and will be used if the game hosts without them being overwritten. This can be useful; often, a game is rehosted in order for only one or two players to retake their turns, while everyone else is expected to make no changes. The game admin can therefore wait till just those players have submitted, and then force hosting. None of the other players will stale (assuming they actually submitted a 2h file last time the turn was played).
"

So I would like to go ahead an rollback to previous turns. Those players who have had their turn files sent correctly this time should take no action. Although the server will report its waiting for their .2h files, the original files they sent are saved in the server and will be used.
Those players who had issues or errors with the turns they sent due to the server problems should resubmit the turn.

I would like to here your opinions before I rollback.

[Bwaha]

I received a new turn from Llamma Server. Should I disregard it? As far as a roll back, I staled the turn before, so I await further instruction. Thanks.:D

[WraithLord]

I received a new turn from Llamma Server. Should I disregard it? As far as a roll back, I staled the turn before, so I await further instruction. Thanks.:D
OK. So unless I hear any objections I'll rollback the turn this evening.
This means that you can disregard your new turn.

[WraithLord]

ok then. hold tight - rolling turn back.

[Herode]

I didn't send any orders last turn since the llamaserver was broken. I thought we will receive some wrning before the hosting... I am therefore a strong supporter of the rollback option.

[edit : oops, too late. Well... :re:]

[WraithLord]

We will have to wait for the server to be fixed. Currently the rollback option is not working. I've tried it for like three times but it doesn't do anything.

[WraithLord]

It seems like the server cached my request for rollback, didn't show any sign its rolling back and then all of a sudden rolled three turns back.
I'm really sorry for this :(

I will PM llama and ask if its possible to set game back to turn 64. Please do not delete the "Victoria: Rolled back to turn 64" emails you got as you would need those turns in case the server is set back to turn 64.

I will keep you posted and hope this unfortunate affair is resolved quickly.

[WraithLord]

Still no ansewr from llama.

According to the server's documentaion I could just force host back to 64, since the original 2h files are saved on the server. Ain't got nothing to lose since at worst we roll back to 62.

[Bwaha]

So should we submit turn 64?

[WraithLord]

Frankly I'm not sure this will work. However, llama did say he is very busy ATM and I'm sure he has had enough on his plate what with the server down and all this.

My rational is that if indeed that server keeps the .2h file then if I were to force host turn 62 the hosing will work ok. Meaning no one will need to resubmit and no one will stale.
I'm not sure this will work for turn 63. This is b/c the second hosting of turn 62 will, even though using same orders, inevitably have different results than the first hosting (due to random events, close battles ending differently etc). This in turn may cause force hosting of turn 63 to yield unexpected and probably undesired effects.

In any case submitting turn 64 now will not work. The server will probably reject your file.

I'll try to amend this one step at a time. First host to turn 63. Then I'll check with you if files were generated ok (no stales or such).
Then force host to 64. This step is more likely to fail in my opinion but anyway its one turn better than 62.

[Zeldor]

I am not in that game, but I wouldn't recommend it. Turn 63 results will be certainly different [at least random events] and it will mess unit IDs, so if someone submits old turn 63 it can mess things up [really mess it up, like people getting some new commanders, some batles that shouldn't happen, mess with province ownership]. So if you do it be aware that you everyone will have to do turn 63 again.