Jotunland (PBEM) - (game on!)

[WingedDog]

If I recall correctly, nukes are Construction 9, and since you killed all of my researchers a couple years back, I'm not getting there any time soon.

Use "Contact Einstain" spell, this should speed you up a bit.

[chrispedersen]

Well, Arco brought his whole arsenal - and kicked my butt..
28 well kitted SC's, communions, his god, prophet - national hero- the whole nine yards. I bloodied him pretty well - but not enough.

And the silly AI declares war on *me*. I can not take him alone - he is doing soul slays that are doing over 1000 points of damage. But he can be taken.

He has 4 mystics in 163 - perfect for seeking arrows, whirlwhinds, or earth attacks.

He has a small force in 151 - perfect for remote summons - like ghost riders, call of the winds, call of the wild - anything to tie up his forces.

And of course, anything that could hurt that communion in 147. And finally again I have to beg for fire gems to blind his god....

[CyborgMoses]

And finally again I have to beg for fire gems to blind his god....

Whoa, Arcoscephale's GOD cast that? Forwarding all my fire gems (not a lot, since I've been alchemizing them, but every little bit counts).

[CyborgMoses]

An update on the nation of Fomoria: although we remain in the humiliating position of having our capital, the only place where we can make decent casters and researchers, occupied by Arcoscephale, we have nonetheless moved forward on our personal victory condition of conquering Yomi. The army which we have managed to build through the sale of our gems to various international interests has nearly reached one of Yomi's remaining castles, and a second force to seize the worthless wastelands that form the rest of Yomi's dominion is well on its way to completion. Unfortunately, it appears that Arcoscephale is so confident in its superiority over Niefelheim that it is finally moving on these lands as well; hopefully we will be able to prevail against whatever fraction of the filthy betrayer's might it has dedicated to this task. Wish us luck, nations of the world! (Donations are gladly accepted in the lobby, even a small sum can make a difference, promotional services provided by Fomorians for a Better Tomorrow.)

[WingedDog]

Well, Arco brought his whole arsenal - and kicked my butt..
28 well kitted SC's, communions, his god, prophet - national hero - the whole nine yards. I bloodied him pretty well - but not enough.

I think your "losing condition" is slightly exaggerated. :) If anyone press F3 button he would see all Niefelheim's heroes are still alive.

And the silly AI declares war on *me*. I can not take him alone - he is doing soul slays that are doing over 1000 points of damage. But he can be taken.

You don't border ANY AI, you border me, Hellheim and Caelum.

[chrispedersen]

Well, Arco brought his whole arsenal - and kicked my butt..
28 well kitted SC's, communions, his god, prophet - national hero - the whole nine yards. I bloodied him pretty well - but not enough.

I think your "losing condition" is slightly exaggerated. :) If anyone press F3 button he would see all Niefelheim's heroes are still alive.

And the silly AI declares war on *me*. I can not take him alone - he is doing soul slays that are doing over 1000 points of damage. But he can be taken.

You don't border ANY AI, you border me, Hellheim and Caelum.

First, I don't think AI's matter much. But the fact that I share no borders is irrelevent to having spells cast upon.

Second: As for heroes: Niefleheim heroes were fairly well afflicted during his expansion. Being one armed and blind does not an imposing hero make.

Third: You picked up an enormous gem province. I doubt anyone truly believes I didn't defend that to the best of my ability.
Looking at the casualties proves the point.

The difference is however, that your army remains intact, and in control of the province.

Fourth: Regarding exaggeration - in this very forum you wrote that you feared that I was too strong for you, being kitted out with artifacts.

Yet two turns later, you bring 28 commanders, kitted out, and conquering a province proving:

A). You feared nothing.
B). You had your own 'artifacts'
C). Your words were merely for effect.

It is admirable that you attempt to sway opinion. Every leader should. Yet, its better the hollowness of your words isn't immediately apparent - by your own statements.

[chrispedersen]

Hey, since
1. the llamaserver is down (and we don't know when its coming up)
2. we don't know if they are patching
3. its labor day weekend - can we adjourn till Monday evening. I don't want to be surprised by a turn being due.

[WingedDog]

First, I don't think AI's matter much. But the fact that I share no borders is irrelevent to having spells cast upon.

It is called fate, luck, DRN... whatever, but not AI.


Second: As for heroes: Niefleheim heroes were fairly well afflicted during his expansion. Being one armed and blind does not an imposing hero make.


Yep, here they are, screenshots of this poor crippled fellows. Donate your gems to save them from extinction.


Third: You picked up an enormous gem province. I doubt anyone truly believes I didn't defend that to the best of my ability.
Looking at the casualties proves the point.

The difference is however, that your army remains intact, and in control of the province.


You've brought whatever you could in little time, but not everything you've got.


Fourth: Regarding exaggeration - in this very forum you wrote that you feared that I was too strong for you, being kitted out with artifacts.

Yet two turns later, you bring 28 commanders, kitted out, and conquering a province proving:

A). You feared nothing.
B). You had your own 'artifacts'
C). Your words were merely for effect.

It is admirable that you attempt to sway opinion. Every leader should. Yet, its better the hollowness of your words isn't immediately apparent - by your own statements.

My atack was just an act of desperation. If I don't stop you now, I won't stop you ever, and nobody will.

[WingedDog]

Oh, by the way, I don't mind delaying turn till monday late, but why it's a labor weekend anyway? Just for my enlightment.

[chrispedersen]

First, I don't think AI's matter much. But the fact that I share no borders is irrelevent to having spells cast upon.

It is called fate, luck, DRN... whatever, but not AI.

Yep, here they are, screenshots of this poor crippled fellows. Donate your gems to save them from extinction.

An excellent bit of subterfuge - Excellent bait and switch. I casually noted my heros were variously afflicted and weren't really available for the battle. And you provide pictures of units that aren't in the battle.

Proof? Well, in the pictures of the heroes - it shows the background of the combat they were involved in. Notice that his *don't* show the correct background.

Excellent Grima Wormtongue!

Once again however, look at picture of #2, #4, #5. All variously afflicted. Even cherry picking your own pictures, it proves the truth of my words.

My atack was just an act of desperation. If I don't stop you now, I won't stop you ever, and nobody will.

Ah yes, the dreaded skull mentors. Truly fearsome. Yes, I must truly be overwhelming to attack you with.. SKULL MENTORS.

But since you are so in love with screen dumps....

I'll provide a few of my own.
(BTW, I didn't mean to imply his god directly cast Eyes - it was rhetorical - blinding this god meaning that he was seeing all the things we did).

#1 - His God.
#2 - just one of the many commanders he brought to the fight.
#4 - one of his 16 communion members. Communion masters are not overly impressive - yet this one did 1016 damage on one spell.

So in short, - you attacked without warning (some act of desperation) - most people pick fights they believe they will win.

You've picked up several territories and are kitted out - by your own evidence - better than I.

I'd post a picture showing you winning the fight - but I haven't figured a way to trim it to the size the board will allow - and can't afford more time at the moment.

[chrispedersen]

After fact checking: It is INDEED his god that cast the Global.

[WingedDog]

Ofc she did.
9 hours left for the next turn to be hosted. Chris, will you be able to submit your turn in that time, or you still need some delay?

[chrispedersen]

Ofc she did.
9 hours left for the next turn to be hosted. Chris, will you be able to submit your turn in that time, or you still need some delay?

No way.. we were on a 36 hour schedule before! Can it be reset to that?

[chrispedersen]

Capital defenses do take a bit to coordinate. (Yes, Arco has taken the capital province... odds are good that he will have the siege completed, soon.)

So yes, please.. do set it back to the original schedule. I should be able to make that!

[WingedDog]

Look at date, I was asking a question yestarday. I just wanted to make sure you make it in time, and if not - ask administrator for a delay for you.

[chrispedersen]

Thanks Wing!

BTW- for the record... Wing has enslaved at least *two* fully loaded Jot heroes.... plus a fair number of Jarls etc.

If you study the names on the heros list.... from previous turns to this turn - you will see that some names are not dead - they're just gone.

Courtesy of enslave with huge penetration.....

[WingedDog]

Nobody enslaved them. Arcoscephale's salaries are higher and we have a better dental treating.

[WingedDog]

Alright, now it was my turn to be buttkicked. Niefel has destroyed my entire army without a single loss. Niefel is very strong and gets stronger, if we leave it without attention, he will eat us all.

People of Arcoscephale are interested in buying nature gems and astral pearls, in return we can provide earth and air gems or gold.

[chrispedersen]

Yeah, I successfully defeated the army on my capital.
Although you didn't bring your god, or your communion.

And its funny to see you having more Giants in that fight than *I do*. Not to mention a hall of famer, running around raiding.

Yay! I got back 2 items of the multitude you took that first surprise fight. The scary thing was you *still* managed to get through MR 33! And that was with your scrub army.

I have sincerely appreciated those that have sent gems, and hope I can continue to push him back. I can't pay you back yet, but with luck hopefuly I can start soon.

In the meantime, I will trade or buy any gem. And if you won't help for the sake of not ending the game - then help because I will beat any offer Arco makes.

[WingedDog]

I don't know how to counter Niefel anymore. Just take a look at results of the fight.

[chrispedersen]

Alright, now it was my turn to be buttkicked.


Yep. It was your turn... you didn't bring your communion or your God - I'm not so enfeebled yet, that scrubs will beat me.
You were overconfident.

. Niefel is very strong and gets stronger...


Less a few minor details get lost in translation..

*you* were sieging *my* capital - *you* still have the territories around my capital, you still hold more than 20% of my gem production. Even now you have skeptics in my capital - Even now you scry the world.

you have raped my lands, pillaged their people. you have enslaved 6 of my heros, and gathered more than 30 magic items, in the initial attack.

The original ruler of this fair land *gave up* because of the damage you inflicted.

So, if by getting stronger, you mean - I have refused to lay down and die - why then by george, you're right....

[WingedDog]

You have enslaved 6 of my heros, and gathered more than 30 magic items, in the initial attack.

No, no, no, no. There was 1578 of your heroes and 236784 magic items.

[GrudgeBringer]

1578 heroes and 236784 gems..........geeeeeeez you guys are in a completely different game (and class) than I am in!!!!

I might as well go to AI now, I didn't know there was that many gems on this whole sight..

[WingedDog]

1578 heroes and 236784 gems..........geeeeeeez you guys are in a completely different game (and class) than I am in!!!!

I might as well go to AI now, I didn't know there was that many gems on this whole sight..

Nevermind :)
My point was Chris is 'slightly exatterating'. Ofcourse there was no '6' heroes and '30' items in the start. That's already way to many. Whent Chris tales stories about me I'm kinda scared of myself.

[chrispedersen]

Turn 34 - 6 killed.
Turn 35 - 3 killed.
Turn 36 - 6 killed
turn 37 - 2 killed...

Shrug - check the Hall of fame on turn 34, or 35. Compare to the hall of fame on turn 39. Repeat on 40.

Hall of famers you enslaved on turn 39 Lodgrimme, Eitre, Hralf...

Shrug.

[CyborgMoses]

Arcoscephale has opened hostilities by killing my prophet with an arrow from the sky. It has an army of elephants and pegasi on my border. Agartha, please be aware that the followers of the betrayer may be at our border soon.

[chrispedersen]

Things have turned around on this front, I'm going to start pushing back.

How can I help?

[CyborgMoses]

Well, if you could somehow get my capital back, that would be great!

Jokes aside, the army Arcoscephale has brought to my border is in the province of Heaven's Hold (95), and the province of mine that it borders is The Dunwash (104) (I'm not sure which one his army will be in during the magic phase, does it come before or after movement/battles?), so any destruction that you feel like raining down would be nice. His god is there.

[CyborgMoses]

Incidentally, if anyone were to send some fire gems to Niefelheim so that they can cast the Fate of Oedipus and blind Arcoscephale's god, that would be much appreciated.

[WingedDog]

Niefel can't cast Fate of Oedipus. :) He has put all fire gems into mass fire shields. :)

P.S. Stop turning Agartha on me - he's the only friend I have in this world.

[chrispedersen]

Not so at all... If someone ponies up 20 gems I should be able to cast either this turn or next.

I am down to just two mages that can cast it.. but.. it only takes one = ).

[chrispedersen]

Its coming one way or the other Winged = ). Of course, if you want to save your god, you could overwrite it with one of your other mages casting Eyes of God.

[CyborgMoses]

Would anyone be interested in selling me a Dwarven Hammer?

[WingedDog]

Guys, there's a chance I'm not able to submit my turn next Monday and Tuesday, so I'm asking noble leader of nasty Fomorians to increase hosting interval during that time just in case. Thanks in advance. :)

[GrudgeBringer]

Speaking of that... I will be playing Rugby in Aspen from Weds the 17th and back on sunday night at midnight.

I don't know if they want to delay that long (and I am sorry as it NEVER even entered my mind when we started this game that I would be gone those 5 days) or just stale me 2 or 3 times.

If you need to just do it...I will access my position when I get back and decide what to do from there.

Agian, I am sorry for my short-sightednes!!:doh:

[WingedDog]

You still have time to find a sub for yourself. Post a new topic, I'm sure someone would like to replace you for a couple of turns.

[CyborgMoses]

Indeed, a substitute would be the preferable solution.

[WingedDog]

What about my case? Would I have a delay? As I said it's just a probability, it's far fom 100%, but if it happends I won't be able to notify you. I just want to make sure I wouldn't find my empire in ruin when I return home. :)

[chrispedersen]

I'll sub for you Dog = )

[WingedDog]

Thanks Chris, I knew you would. Don't forget to feed the pegasii twice a day. :)

[chrispedersen]

With or without lipstick?

[chrispedersen]

Damn. I forgot to monologue:

It was the summer of your dreams.. but beware Arco - the winter of our discontent. Summer has come -and gone- winter yet remains. As you have carried the fight to Caelum, and Fomoria and me - well lets see how you like snow.

May it be an ill winter for you indeed.

[CyborgMoses]

Whoa, whoa, hold up a sec. A player who is already in the game can't sub for another player in the same game. That would be a blatant conflict of interest. I think you're joking, but I have to make sure.

[CyborgMoses]

Damn. I forgot to monologue:

It was the summer of your dreams.. but beware Arco - the winter of our discontent. Summer has come -and gone- winter yet remains. As you have carried the fight to Caelum, and Fomoria and me - well lets see how you like snow.

May it be an ill winter for you indeed.

Actually, Arcoscephale didn't wind up attacking me, for some reason. The elephants that he had on my border just vanished, and the human troops are still sitting there.

In other news, Fomoria would like to apologize to the cave-men of Agartha. After they wiped out a small tribe of natives, our troops, on a mission to do the same, mistakenly engaged the Agarthan forces and drove them from the field. We extend our apologies for this unfortunate incident.

[chrispedersen]

Whoa, whoa, hold up a sec. A player who is already in the game can't sub for another player in the same game. That would be a blatant conflict of interest. I think you're joking, but I have to make sure.

Yes, I was joking. ... I'm fairly sure there is no way arco would like me to neuter his position.. especially since he's doing so well =)

[WingedDog]

CyborgMoses
:) Don't take everything me and Cris write too serious. In fact don't take ANYTHING serious (at least from me). The secret of dissapearing elephants trick is: I didn't mean to atack you in the first place, I saw you brought a large force to my border and was sure you were going to atack me next turn so I've sent some troops to improve my PD in that province, and cast a seeking arrow to possibly kill one of your commander so part of your army wouldn't engage the battle. After seeng your comments in the forum I understood I was wrong about your invasion and pulled largest part of my army back to not annoy any more, and left some force for scoutfilter.

[chrispedersen]

CyborgMoses
:) Don't take everything me and Cris write too serious. In fact don't take ANYTHING serious (at least from me). The secret of dissapearing elephants trick is: I didn't mean to atack you in the first place, I saw you brought a large force to my border and was sure you were going to atack me next turn so I've sent some troops to improve my PD in that province, and cast a seeking arrow to possibly kill one of your commander so part of your army wouldn't engage the battle. After seeng your comments in the forum I understood I was wrong about your invasion and pulled largest part of my army back to not annoy any more, and left some force for scoutfilter.

I'm sure my counter attack had nothing to do with it...
I have to say dog, I have no idea how I'm going to stop you...

[WingedDog]

Yes, I was joking. ... I'm fairly sure there is no way arco would like me to neuter his position.. especially since he's doing so well =)

You know, Chris, I laughed a lot last turn when my province was conquired by a single ONE ARMED man wielding NO WEAPON. :D He just kicked my province defenders to death. :D

[WingedDog]

I have to say dog, I have no idea how I'm going to stop you...

When I hear this words, I know the man has an ace in his sleeve.;)

[chrispedersen]

you really don't sound russian = )

[WingedDog]

I beleive it's an international phrase. Russians play cards as well, not poker, but other games.

[chrispedersen]

There are days I hate this game. Why he didn't cast his scripted antimagic, I'll never know.

Anyway, guys - check the hall of fame. Its that bad.
You might want a small pause to decide whether to continue the game. I vote in favor of just declaring arco the winner.

[CyborgMoses]

I'm actually not sure what I'm supposed to be seeing on the hall of fame... it's still mostly your guys, plus my prophet the Fir Bolg Commander who somehow got the credit for 132 kills (I'm guessing a bug) and a few of Arcoscephale's guys. Still, I have no chance of winning the game, so I won't stop you folks who do have one if you want to conclude.

[WingedDog]

Wow, I haven't seen the new turn yet, but juging Cris's comments my risky covert operation succeded. I'll watch it tomorrow morning, but my guesses for not casting antimagic are: 1) he had no required gems; 2) he was engaged melee combat.

[chrispedersen]

Those arco guys used to be my guys last turn.

Putting aside game talk for a minute, I really don't understand how that turn is mechanically possible.

From page 71:
Phase 6: is magic battles.
phase 12: is Friendly movement
phase 13: is other movement

I can understand you teleporting in - thats why *I* cloud trapezed in, with guys specifically to cast antimagic.

What happened is this:

1. Winged Dog (moves/teleports in) no antimagic goes off. Winged defeats me.
2. My guys trapeze in, and move in (two separate actions).
Winged defeats me again. (one battle)

I don't mind losing - in fact I'd say great game. (though I'm sorely disappointed) .. but I'd like to know why it didn't go:

EITHER

My unit cloud trapezes / Wing teleports - Battle
my units move in - battle.

OR

My unit cloud trapezes
My unit moves in
Winged Dog moves in - Battle.

[WingedDog]

I've just watched the battle. What can I say, Chris, antimagic costs 1 astral pearl, and your mage had none, that's why he didn't cast it. About the sequence can't tell you anything - I've seen only 1 teleported mage of yours.

[chrispedersen]

GUYS
I had requested a delay!

I didn't even get to consider that turn - let alone enter a turn.

[GrudgeBringer]

Gentlemen, Actually I have been engaged in a wonderful war with Sauro which he just won for all practical purposes and did a great job of it.

I was going to have to stale 2 or 3 turns as I leave Weds morning to play Rugby in Aspen for a week (I'm sorry I knew this was coming up but I honestly forgot about it until this past week at practice).

Seeing that the graphs indicate a winner and the fact that some are calling for a declared winner I will instead of letting my game stale put it on AI after this turn.

Thank you for a great game and learning experiance as I am new.

Good luck and I will see you in future games.

To Sauro...GREAT GAME, well played.

[chrispedersen]

Well I want to express my frustration.
I had the 75 fire gems (just got them the turned that staled) to blind his god - and while he would have won, I hate getting a stale turn, and hate the way this ended.

However you are a brilliant player Whisker. Great job.

[CyborgMoses]

GUYS
I had requested a delay!

I didn't even get to consider that turn - let alone enter a turn.

Wait, what? I have recieved no request for a delay.

[WingedDog]

Thanks, Chris, you did really great job with Niefel, and you are undoubtedly a really hard opponent to fight. Maybe we'll meet again in other game. :) This one is still not over though, and with llamaserver not exepting e-mails I'm a little concerned what is going to happen with it and with other games.

[chrispedersen]

Roll back the turn = )

[WingedDog]

If it was only you and me, I'd also ask to reroll. BUT there are other people in this game as well, and that turn was much more important to them - during that turn was a battle of largest armies of Sauro and Hel, which Sauro has won, and Caelum had his little victory on me. Replaying it would lead to very different results possibly upseting them even more then you are now.

[CyborgMoses]

Roll back the turn = )

Could you explain, maybe? What is the reason for the rollback request?

[chrispedersen]

I had asked for a delay, cyborg. Was without power for 12 hours, had to put up hurricane shutters etc.

Instead of granting the delay, the turn processed without me making a turn. I have no idea what happened on the last turn - but not submitting a turn, it could not have been pretty.

[WingedDog]

Chris, if you open the stale table you'd see most of us were staling at least 1 turn.

[CyborgMoses]

Eh? There's no request for a delay from you here in the thread, and you didn't send me a private message. I am confused.

[chrispedersen]

Cyber,

Well that explains somethings. I wrote a monologue after what.. turn 48.. that said something like.

Ok.. thats it .. Winged Dog has won. I request a delay ....

After that, I lost power, had to put hurricane shutters up etc.
And I see now that my message never posted.

~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~

I enjoyed the game - but it was critical not to miss that turn.
And since I thought my request for delay was ignored, I haven't entered another turn. (nor will I - you really should put me on ai- otherwise you're just giving territory to Winged - I have no province defense anywhere... )

I had also requested a roll back.

But anyway...

[GrudgeBringer]

Guys...I set my game to AI control but keep getting turns.

Should I just keep sending them in or is someone supposed to make me officially AI?

[WingedDog]

I think you were suposed to click on "Become AI controlled" option and send your turn file, and that's it.

[chrispedersen]

Three turns ago - four turns ago - I suggested someone to find a replacemetn for me.

If not, to set me to AI.

Now I don't know if that message posted or not - but as I said in that post - it seriously unbalances the game to leave an entirely undefended nation next to Winged. You might as well hand him the game.

Regardless, this game has become a sore point for me. And I'd like to NOT get the notifications that the turns are going to post - and then that new turns are available.

Please.

Best wishes to all.

[WingedDog]

Chris, only player can put himself to AI, administrator can't. In order to put a player to AI administrator need to find someone willing to do it and send him turn.

[CyborgMoses]

Okay, who is left in this game? chrispedersen wants out, I am about ready to set my nation to AI, and several folks have already done so... who still wants to keep playing? If it's just Arcoscephale, then we might as well wrap this up.

[Pretorian]

I want to keep playing. And I'd like to know if any of remaining players want to continue. If nobody else does then declare Arcoscephale the winner, but in that case please redirect me admin password - I'd like to run a few tests in this game before finishing it.

[Pretorian]

2chrispedersen:
You're holding other people refusing simply enter the game and sending turn file with "set to AI" command. :mad: :mean:

[CyborgMoses]

Okay, it appears that we are only waiting on Caelum to comment here.

PS: I doubt that chrispedersen is reading this thread at this point, you might want to send him a private message and tell him that nobody seems to mind his going AI.

[WingedDog]

Who is currently admining the game? CyborgMoses or Pretorian?

[CyborgMoses]

Still me.

[ArkkiMeisseli]

Alright, Caelum's taken enough of a beating for now... we surrender.

[Pretorian]

Arco is the winner, can I have admin password to perform some tests?

[WingedDog]

Alright, I've talked to Pretorian he wants to keep the game for himself to play a little and I don't mind, so I'm putting myself to AI. It was nice to play with all of you, thanks to CyborgMoses very much for admining the game! :)

[CyborgMoses]

You are quite welcome. It was an interesting experience to administrate a game for the first time.