Timewarp! - Game is live!

[Slobby]

Greetings!

This game will be a contest between 18 land nations. Any vanilla land nation can be chosen. All skill levels are welcome. Think Kingmaker but smaller! Game will be hosted on Llamaserver. Thank you, Llama!

Settings:
Will be defaulted to MA with the exception of HoF being 15.

Mods:
SingleAgeComplete - http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?t=34265&page=5
WorthyHeroes1.8 - http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?t=36670

Map:
The map is 370 provinces and all land! Many mountains should make for interesting conflicts around choke points. Start locations will be chosen, but it will be random placement. RGB file attached!

http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/49/timewarpv2yl2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Turns:
24hrs until turn 20, 48hrs until turn 50, 72hrs for remainder.

Victory:
There can be only one! It's a fight to the death or until remaining players agree on a single victor.

Diplomacy:
Anything goes.

Exploits:
No copying Bogus's orders!
No overfilling other players labs on purpose!

Delays:
Delays will be granted on request within reason.

Roster:

Slobby - MA C'tis
Iwarmonger - LA Ermor
wksdsl - MA TienChi
PsiSoldier - EA Hinnom
BigDisAwesome - EA Niefelheim
klagrok - MA Jotunheim
Ylvali - EA Marverni
slayers_ai - LA Mictlan
Executor - EA C'tis
Hoplosternum - EA Fomoria
Phalent - MA Marignon
Unoptimized - LA Vanheim
Jim Morrison - EA Lanka
Aapeli - MA Ulm
Sum1lost - MA Pythium
Aseth - LA Marignon
Dimaz - LA C'tis
Radioheart - MA Bandarlog

[lwarmonger]

I'll take LA Ermor.

[Ossa]

I'd like to take MA TienChi

[PsiSoldier]

I might give LA Ctis a try

[BigDisAwesome]

I'd like in as EA Niefelheim please.

[klagrok]

Sign me up for MA Jotunheim. Also tried downloading map and it appears the MAP file isn't included :confused:

[StrictlyRockers]

EA Agartha please.

[Slobby]

Also tried downloading map and it appears the MAP file isn't included :confused:

Have no fear! :D From my previous games with random maps (Kingmaker, etc) I believe only the host needs the map file, in this case it will be llamaserver. I sent a pm to llama this morning for confirmation and am waiting for a reply. If it turns out the players need the map file I'll post it.

I should have checked the map editor without the map file in my folder to see if you guys could view it. It looks like you can't. My apologies, I'll post a jpeg when I get the time.

I would also like to start getting the pretenders in after the long weekend, so the scope, and therefore the map may change (downsize). It will still be a random map with many mountains and choke points though, so no worries on the 'type'.

[chrispedersen]

EA Mictlan pls.

[PsiSoldier]

Hrrrm would it be possible to change my choice to EA Hinnom if its not too late. Ive tried LA Ctis in SP and didnt care for them too much as it doesnt really fit my play style until late game and I'd probably be wiped out before then..

[Executor]

Ahh, Hinnom chosen, I'll take EA C'tis.

[Hoplosternum]

EA Fomoria please

[Phalent]

I'll take MA Marignon please

[Unoptimized]

I would like to play LA Vanheim

[Slobby]

It looks like my assumption on the map is correct. Llamabeast has confirmed that players only need the image and not the map file.

We're closer to twenty than I thought we would be, therefore I will extend the recruiting process to Friday.

[shogi]

I'd like EA Mictlan - Thanks!

[Slobby]

I'd like EA Mictlan - Thanks!

Sorry Shogi, EA Mictlan has been taken.

[Aapeli]

Still room for me? Ill take MA Ulm.

[sum1lost]

MA Mictlan, please.

[Executor]

Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't you win your last game as MA Mictlan sum1lost? This is gonna be an interesting game!

[sum1lost]

Actually, I won my last game as MA Pangaea, though I haven't reported it yet. But, yes, I won a game as MA mictlan. I'm going for a much less optimized build this time, though, if its any help. (Last time was a double bless, fullstop. This time it should be single blessing, so much less powerful. However, if there are objections, I will be happy to change my nation pick.

[Slobby]

Aapeli - Yup there is! MA Ulm is all yours. :D

sum1lost - I have no issues with you playing MA Mictlan.

All - It doesn't look like we'll get the full 20 players by Friday, so I'm going to have to generate a new map. The size of the map will be a bit over 20 provinces/player.

[Executor]

No objections on my part either sum1lost, it's just I was in that game also but started in the worst possible place on the map.

[llamabeast]

If you're fighting against Hinnom Niefelheim and Fomoria I reckon MA Mictlan can take as strong a bless as it likes!

[Aseth]

LA Marignon if not too late :)

[Dimaz]

And LA C'tis please :)

[Radioheart]

Bandar Log for me

[sum1lost]

I'd like to change to MA Pythium, please.

[Slobby]

Just to keep everyone posted. The map is done, a pic is linked on the first post. I've run into issues uploading the map on llamaserver, so I am waiting for the issue to get straightened out.

[Slobby]

Evenin ya'll,

Llamabeast is going to manually load the map into llamaserver (thank you Llama), so once that's done then I'll set the game up to accept pretenders.

We may have lost Shogi, seeing as I haven't received an updated nation from him, so tentatively there is an open spot! :shock: Hopefully someone else wants to play.

The image file is also attached the first post and ready for download.

[JimMorrison]

I swore I wouldn't play in another game with Late Ermor. :P

But, I see you don't have a Lanka, but I have one I can show you, if you still need someone. ;)

[chrispedersen]

What about exploits?

[Jarkko]

We may have lost Shogi, seeing as I haven't received an updated nation from him, so tentatively there is an open spot! :shock: Hopefully someone else wants to play.

If you need a replacement, I could join this with Sauromatia :)

[Dimaz]

Yes, what about Votd and other "features"? Are they banned or what? (My pretender in another game was just killed by votd timeout, so it seems it's still buggy).

[Ylvali]

I´d like to play if you can fit me in. LA Tien chi.

[chrispedersen]

Yes, what about Votd and other "features"? Are they banned or what? (My pretender in another game was just killed by votd timeout, so it seems it's still buggy).

The fact that your pretender died to VotD doesn't make Votd buggy. Try not to kill so many = ).

But Slobby, can you advise on what will be allowed/disallowed, if anything....?

[sum1lost]

I'd like to request that battlefield retreat/MoD be banned. I'm ambivalent about copying bogus orders.

[JimMorrison]

BE + Retreat is definitely fixed. Someone tried to do a Wrathful Skies + Retreat to me in another game, and the spell ended after the first blast, as the mage had left the field (he still had a 100% SR SC on the field though).

[Slobby]

And the winner is Jim Morrison! :D I'll give Shogi until tommorow to reply (that'll be a week), if he doesn't then the spot is yours! Sorry to Jarkko and Ylvali, but that fills us up. However if there are other players that 'disappear' then you two will have first crack at taking a spot.

MoD is fixed, just tried it myself, so no worries about the BE + retreat.

VotD - personally I think it is fairly easy to resist (I cast it and cast it but the darned SCs keep resisting it!). Imo if your SC can't resist it, then really it's the same as being subject to soul slay/enslave mind, and therefore fair game.

Copying Bogus's orders. We'll say that's an exploit and shall be banned. I'll update the first post.

Are there any other exploits that players are concerned about? No others come to my mind.

[chrispedersen]

Overfilling labs.
Cheating with seduction or moves (grouping commanders and issuing an order valid for the first which will thus copy to all other commanders).

Mostly, I'd just say whats on the exploits list..

Anyone mind if I switch from EA-Mict to LA-Mict?

[llamabeast]

Right, map uploaded at last. Sorry about the delay.

[Slobby]

Game is up and ready for pretenders!

Overfilling labs.
Cheating with seduction or moves (grouping commanders and issuing an order valid for the first which will thus copy to all other commanders).

Mostly, I'd just say whats on the exploits list..

Anyone mind if I switch from EA-Mict to LA-Mict?

1. Overfilling labs - yup none of that this game.

2. Issuing order - Wasn't aware of that one, how would it work?

3. There's an exploit list?

4. No problems here, consider it changed!

General: I just looked at what Valerius banned from his games, there's Bogus, the lab thing, and the BE + retreat, which is now fixed. I'm tentatively leaning towards going with his example.

[Slobby]

Oh, and I still haven't received word from Shogi Jim, so the spot is yours.

[chrispedersen]

Um, Slobby, I was in your list originally as ea-mictlan - so you still have an open spot.

I've seen an exploit list - I just don't remember where.

There is a whole class of movement and other bugss.

For example.. have one seductress and 3 scouts. Group them. Issue seduction orders to the succubus and all the scouts will carry out seduction orders.

The same applies for moving too far out of a sieged fort, or moving out of a fort at all...

[Slobby]

What you talkin bout chris? When I said there was maybe one spot I had three takers. :p Jim has Shogi's spot.

[JimMorrison]

You said you were going to PM me. ;) No bother, your guess that I would read the thread, was in fact correct. :p

[PsiSoldier]

Um, Slobby, I was in your list originally as ea-mictlan - so you still have an open spot.


Huh? your on the list as LA Mictlan.. Maybe that was after your post here, but I was thinking you were already on the list...

Either way I see LA Mictlan has submitted its pretender so maybe thats you...

[chrispedersen]

Yes, I uploaded as LA-Mictlan.
I think I am not helping matters, but by my count I think Slobby has one more vacancy.

[Slobby]

Yes, I uploaded as LA-Mictlan.
I think I am not helping matters, but by my count I think Slobby has one more vacancy.

1.Slobby - MA C'tis
2.Iwarmonger - LA Ermor
3.Ossa - MA TienChi
4.PsiSoldier - EA Hinnom
5.BigDisAwesome - EA Niefelheim
6.klagrok - MA Jotunheim
7.StrictlyRockers - EA Agartha
8.chrispederson - LA Mictlan
9.Executor - EA C'tis
10.Hoplosternum - EA Fomoria
11.Phalent - MA Marignon
12.Unoptimized - LA Vanheim
13.Jim Morrison - EA Lanka
14.Aapeli - MA Ulm
15.Sum1lost - MA Pythium
16.Aseth - LA Marignon
17.Dimaz - LA C'tis
18.Radioheart - MA Bandarlog

[chrispedersen]

Or not = )

[StrictlyRockers]

I can't play. I'm sorry. EA Agartha is up for grabs.

[BigDisAwesome]

I'll have mine in by the end of tonight. Sorry for the holdup.

[chrispedersen]

Hey guys... Slobby this has gone on awhile.. can we start?

[lwarmonger]

Correction... we going to get this game started? Everyone is in.

[JimMorrison]

I appreciated the delay, as I submitted a different pretender. ;) But I'm as ready as I'll ever be now.....

Let's get ready toooooooo RUUUUMMMMMMBLLLLLE!

:happy:

[Aapeli]

max 18 players....but only 17 is in.

[Slobby]

Quite, I've sent pm's to Jarko and Ylvali, whoever replies first gets the 18th spot. It's very unfortunate that we lost a player during the pretender loading, hopefully this will all be resolved quickly and we can start up early this week.

**On the plus side I'm happy that strictly didn't upload his pretender and then decide to quit during the game!

[Ylvali]

I´m in if it´s not too late. EA marverni.

[lwarmonger]

Buya! Let's get this game rollin!

[Slobby]

And Ylvali saves the day! Game on!

[Slobby]

I see there are only 12 dl'ds of the image file, I'm pretty sure that you'll need it to play the game, best dld it before the 24hrs are up!

[archaeolept]

technically, all they need is any image file w/ the right number of white dots (1 per province), and rename it :)

would be an interesting way to play... ;p

[JimMorrison]

So ummmmm. I followed your link in the top post, and downloaded - SingleAgeComplete.dm - from your DL link, and placed it in my mods folder.

But, the game is demanding I have Single Age Mod.dm instead. Should I just rename this file? I am a bit confused.

[Slobby]

Yes rename it, I don't know why llama renamed the file, but it was.

Rename to - Single Age mod
and the game will accept it.

I'll prolong the first turn by 24hrs since it seems there may be some issues.

[klagrok]

I renamed it as well--also had original SA mod--think they are the same. Im getting the same error as you Jim. Recreated saved game spot, reloaded email. Will try to download image-first time I did it a few weeks ago it didnt work. Hopefully it will this time.

[Slobby]

technically, all they need is any image file w/ the right number of white dots (1 per province), and rename it :)

would be an interesting way to play... ;p

Quite haha

[Slobby]

I renamed it as well--also had original SA mod--think they are the same. Im getting the same error as you Jim. Recreated saved game spot, reloaded email. Will try to download image-first time I did it a few weeks ago it didnt work. Hopefully it will this time.

The version I did and which is used for this game is SingleAgeComplete, I'm pretty sure llama took my version for the llamaserver, although I could be wrong. Sadly now that I've had to rename it it's now Single Age mod.

[klagrok]

Ive renamed it and still nada :( HALP!!!!!

[Slobby]

Did you put the spaces in?

Here I'll upload mine (I've got my turn in already so I know it works :))

[Slobby]

Oh noes I hope llamaserver didn't go boom

*:D must have caught it on the update, all is well.

[klagrok]

Thanks but I figured it out :) Had to rename to file itself OOPS!! However, now Im getting the map error message :(

[JimMorrison]

Okay, seems to be working fine so far.

I sure hope you didn't start anyone in those 8-9 neighbor provinces, that's a lot of resources. ;)

[llamabeast]

Seems like I made a cockup there. Sorry about the inconvenience.

I'll add it to my todo list.

Edit: Referring to the mod filename inconsistency.

[Slobby]

Okay, seems to be working fine so far.

I sure hope you didn't start anyone in those 8-9 neighbor provinces, that's a lot of resources. ;)

Don't worry I didn't. :D

[Slobby]

Seems like I made a cockup there. Sorry about the inconvenience.

I'll add it to my todo list.

Edit: Referring to the mod filename inconsistency.

no problem

[Executor]

That mod got me confused at first too.

[PsiSoldier]

Ohh.. I laughed so hard my side started hurting when I saw the name of Bandar Log's Pretender. :D

[Executor]

Wait let me see...
I might be slow to catch up on this, but...er I don't really know what's so funny. Jane Goodall???

[sum1lost]

Wait let me see...
I might be slow to catch up on this, but...er I don't really know what's so funny. Jane Goodall???

Jane Goodall is known for being a famous primatologist. She basically pioneered the field with her studies.

[Executor]

Ahh, well that explains it all.

[chrispedersen]

Hey guys...

I've downloaded the map, and the mods.. and enabled single age mod. But everytime I try to start the game, it says single age mod has to be enabled.

But it is.

Help?!

[Executor]

You have to rename the mod to Single Age Mod.

[Slobby]

Looks like the first turn went without a hitch, hosting interval back down to 24h

[PsiSoldier]

Hrrrm Ok here is a silly question. Does a province next to your capital that is cut off by mountains still contribute resources to your capital if you take the province, even though there is no direct path to it from your capital? Its either that.. Or watch my boys get trampled by the elephants in the other province next to them.

[Slobby]

yes

[chrispedersen]

yes

It does? I don't think so. Only adjacent provinces contribute resources, unless I'm very much mistaken.

[Slobby]

yes

It does? I don't think so. Only adjacent provinces contribute resources, unless I'm very much mistaken.

You're not mistaken...;) I read Psi's post too quickly. Looks like you get to face the elephants Psi!

[PsiSoldier]

well, it is adjacent.. Kinda just adjacent and separated by mountains...

[JimMorrison]

In terms of game mechanics, no, it is not adjacent. A province can technically have neighbors anywhere on the map, as far as visual reckoning is concerned - and will take resources from any neighbors, and only neighbors.

[chrispedersen]

Whats going on with this game? Every one submitted.. but one guy .. then all but another one... Now ulm hasn't submitted? Is this game every going to submit?

What happened to the 24 hour turn around?

[Slobby]

This'll be the sole exception, the game is on 24h, but I didn't change the due time thinking that since everyone got their first turn in so fast that it would be the same turn around. Obviously that hasn't happened. :)

[chrispedersen]

whats going on? the game is now delayed till sunday - for one player? Im starting to be interested in dropping.

[Slobby]

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?t=41061 <- llamaserver is down, and llama won't be back until saturday. I'll turn it back just for you tho ;).

[chrispedersen]

our last turn was the 27th, with a 24 hour turn around.. and its the 30th already...
Has anyone tried to contact ulm?

[Slobby]

Aapeli hasn't been on the forums since the 26th

[Slobby]

This is an interesting situation. Given that he's MA Ulm, and assuming that he's gone AWOL would you guys like me to try to find a sub?

By the time I got in and checked the server he would have already staled, assuming he didn't put in his turn, it's impossible to tell. I've put the forcehosting command in so when llama fixes the server the game will be on it's merry way once again.

So he's playing one of the weakest nations in an mp game with almost all the heavies and will no doubt be targeted, and he may have staled his 2nd turn and thus be behind in the expansion phase. It's a dire situation for any player.

If he is awol it might be just as good, and potentially quicker, to just set the nation to ai once the servers back up.

[sum1lost]

This is an interesting situation. Given that he's MA Ulm, and assuming that he's gone AWOL would you guys like me to try to find a sub?

By the time I got in and checked the server he would have already staled, assuming he didn't put in his turn, it's impossible to tell. I've put the forcehosting command in so when llama fixes the server the game will be on it's merry way once again.

So he's playing one of the weakest nations in an mp game with almost all the heavies and will no doubt be targeted, and he may have staled his 2nd turn and thus be behind in the expansion phase. It's a dire situation for any player.

If he is awol it might be just as good, and potentially quicker, to just set the nation to ai once the servers back up.
Actually, getting a sub sounds like a good idea. Ulm's got some very potent anti-sacreds when used well. Darkwind used them to absolutely decimate a sacred, flying army of helheims in Kingmaker, and I've had them used against me in aquarium, and they still made a mess of my first wave of eagle warriors

[Aapeli]

Stop this madnes! I am here and have now submitted my turn (phew I was lucky thanks to the sudden difficulties on the lamaserver). You almost dumped me off didnt you? Well I wont blame you.
And what comes to the comment of Ulm being weak, well maybe your right, but its still my favourite nation. This is my second time playing mp with it (last time I was trampled by caelian mammoths).

By the way, if I just send my turn will it then be accepted when the server is back up?

[chrispedersen]

Personally, I think that people that think ulm are weak after the new changes are in for a surprise - especially bless nations.

Do we want to try hosting a few turns somewhere other than llama?

[Aapeli]

Ok seomething funny just happened. The server got my turn and now claims that it has got my 50 revised turns. Meaning that I got 52 notifications about my turn being recieved (actually I sent the turn of two games so 26 each)...

[Ylvali]

Yeah the Llamaserver is gone mad at the moment, it´s happening to everyone. We are waiting for Llamabeast to come home and fix it.

[chrispedersen]

Again, I can host if we wish, for a few turns

[PsiSoldier]

Hrrrrm I am also playing in another teamgame Revenge of Pimping and my Ally Jomon has disappeared without a word for a few days I'm looking for someone who can Sub for him maybe temporarily or permanently I'm not sure.

Currently I am playing LA T'ien Ch'i with Jomon as my teammate, We are at war with the Mictlan Abysia Team.

I am fighting Mictlan and winning my teammate is fighting Abysia and he's started to loose. I currently hold about 53 Provinces and Mictlan who I am fighting is down to about 15 although he won a battle this last turn and scattered my largest army (Although he is still surrounded by very heavy PD which I have everywhere)

Jomon on the other hand holds around 20 Provinces and Abysia who he is fighting has around 25 Provinces and a very experienced Prince of Death (With about 5 afflictions) who has been causing huge problems for him. Unfortunately My teammate did not recruit anything but Cavalry and has been paying for that recently and neglected building more forts and only has 2 forts in the Fall of the 4th year and one of the two forts are under siege as of this turn.

I have been playing for him the last 2 turns and I am working on a few things to turn it around for him which I will not say on here should my opponents read this. But if anyone Is good with LA Jomon and looking for another game I could use someone to take his place either temporarily or Permanently I'm not sure as I have not heard from him if he's coming back or what.

[chrispedersen]

No one is *good* with LA Jomon. Their GoHajamoto's are good heavy infinitry, and their sacreds are much the same. But their Summons are too expensive, they have few SC chassis, their samurai archers cost way too many resources. They have great researchers but no battle mages to speak of.

I wouldn't be surprised he was losing to abysia. I would be surprised if anyone could fix it.

But I can take his place for a few days if you wish.

[PsiSoldier]

No one is *good* with LA Jomon. Their GoHajamoto's are good heavy infinitry, and their sacreds are much the same. But their Summons are too expensive, they have few SC chassis, their samurai archers cost way too many resources. They have great researchers but no battle mages to speak of.

I wouldn't be surprised he was losing to abysia. I would be surprised if anyone could fix it.

But I can take his place for a few days if you wish.

I don't know that I'd consider Jomon to be that weak although it seems most people do...

But essentially Jomon only has to survive for a short while longer while I mop up whats left of DrPraetorious's Mictlan armies and begin my march on Abysia. Mictlan has a good triple Bless and is far stronger than Abysia's forces that Ive seen so If Ive taken care of Mictlan this easy, Abysia will be a piece of cake when his attention is divided between both Jomon from his south and T'ien Ch'i from his north, south and west.

But I'd be glad to have you sub for Jomon :)

[Executor]

Hey I just got a turn, looks like we're back.

[PsiSoldier]

. miss post. edited.

[chrispedersen]

Llama seems back up (Thanks llama!) maybe ctis can get a turn in?

[PsiSoldier]

Hrrrrrm we need to roll back. Stupid llamma server says I had a stale turn but I did NOT.. I did send in my turn. if its fixed now we need to roll back and get this turn 3 in again.

[llamabeast]

I think it should be fixed now. Hopefully you should all have just got a new turn and a message from the server.

[PsiSoldier]

Yep, All is well. Thanks Llama!

[Slobby]

Looks like we got another error, I'm going to rollback the hosting to the previous turn, as per the email llama sent. Just a reminder from the email, please redo the turn from scratch.

*actually, after reading llama's instructions I'm going to try rehosting the turn, ie. doing a rollback and then force hosting it. /fingerscrossed hopefully this works!

[llamabeast]

Slobby, you're a genius. Saved me some time there, thanks. Sorry about the crash by the way.

[Slobby]

I'm unsure if it worked, the game page still shows ma tien/ma pyth/ma ulm as staling turn 4, yet I see I didn't get notification that the game crashed on the rehost due to dominions error.

Llama is it possible that the staling data stays the same regardless of the rehost?

[llamabeast]

Oh. I'm not sure. If everything was running smoothly, the staling data would behave sensibly. Right now, goodness knows.

[chrispedersen]

I presume everyone got the notification about LA midgard having a sudden increase in wealth?

[sum1lost]

Sorry for staling there. I'm studying furiously for an endocrinology exam, and hopefully won't stale again.

[Executor]

Yes we all got the message, how do you know if someone got extra money and is cheating?

[Slobby]

I think the only way is for llama to look at the turn.

[llamabeast]

Okay, I took a look. It doesn't look like cheating, he doesn't particularly have much money. This comes up fairly often - dom3 gives false cheating reports every now and again.

[Dimaz]

Usually this happens during rehost when dom3 uses 2h from wrong turn variant (made for another .trn than the one being used during host).

[PsiSoldier]

Ahhhhh that new patch screwed me up.. :mad: I was going to use my size 6 chariots this turn to take out the elephants in a neighboring province since my chariots couldnt be trampled by them... Guess thats out the fricken window now. :doh:

Things like that make me wish current games wouldn't be patched while they were already underway as it may foul up an already planned strategy. But I suppose there are times when your happy to see changes from patches in games your playing too... This just isn't one of them...

[JimMorrison]

Remember, size 6 trampling size 5 will not do much damage due to the small difference in size. I'm sure you'd still do pretty alright like that.

Not patching would seem to be the best way to go (someone was even more dismayed, as they are playing LA R'lyeh in a MP game right now), but that would force everyone to have 2 installations, and switch back and forth to do their turns, and would be a real headache for the Llamaserver (and the Beast behind it).

[PsiSoldier]

Thanks for the info Jim, I had forgoten about the size difference changing the trample effects. All I could remember was that being ethereal made trample pretty ineffective.

By the way, was Independant strength really set to default? seems like everywhere I go I run into Elephants, Knights, Cataphracts etc...

[chrispedersen]

Remember, size 6 trampling size 5 will not do much damage due to the small difference in size. I'm sure you'd still do pretty alright like that.

Not patching would seem to be the best way to go (someone was even more dismayed, as they are playing LA R'lyeh in a MP game right now), but that would force everyone to have 2 installations, and switch back and forth to do their turns, and would be a real headache for the Llamaserver (and the Beast behind it).

Actually, there are many reports that size difference does not affect damage. I have never been able to prove it one way or the other, despite what the manual says.

[chrispedersen]

Hey, I've been unable to find out who is LA-Midgard... Does anyone know?




I think the bigger issues are that they fixed issues that were causing game crashing (such as our glory game). Correcting those are probably worth the headache it will cause individual players.

[JimMorrison]

Actually, there are many reports that size difference does not affect damage. I have never been able to prove it one way or the other, despite what the manual says.


Well, it has seemed to me that when size 4 units get trampled by elephants, they don't really take much damage.

Also, trogs and minotaurs are both size 3, and are far less efficient at killing size 2 units, than elephants are.


And yeah, 3 of my home's neighbors have Heavy Cav. :( The other 3 were low pop. \:happy:/

[Aapeli]

About turn 4. It is quite probable that I staled it (in the rollback and in the first host(I think)). That would be sensible as it seems I have staled turn 5 as well (doesnt look so good to me). I will try to keep up in the future.

[Slobby]

By the way, was Independant strength really set to default? seems like everywhere I go I run into Elephants, Knights, Cataphracts etc...

'Default' for SAC is MA - that includes site frequency as well

[Slobby]

About turn 4. It is quite probable that I staled it (in the rollback and in the first host(I think)). That would be sensible as it seems I have staled turn 5 as well (doesnt look so good to me). I will try to keep up in the future.

It's appreciated.

On other news, it looks like MA T'ien is gone, since it's looking like he's going to have staled his third turn in a row. Once this turn hosts I will extend it by 24 hours and look for a sub, if I cannot find a sub before the 48 hour mark I will set MA T'ien to ai, afterwards we'll go back to the 24hour hosting interval.

[chrispedersen]

About turn 4. It is quite probable that I staled it (in the rollback and in the first host(I think)). That would be sensible as it seems I have staled turn 5 as well (doesnt look so good to me). I will try to keep up in the future.

It's appreciated.

On other news, it looks like MA T'ien is gone, since it's looking like he's going to have staled his third turn in a row. Once this turn hosts I will extend it by 24 hours and look for a sub, if I cannot find a sub before the 48 hour mark I will set MA T'ien to ai, afterwards we'll go back to the 24hour hosting interval.


Slobby, three of us staled this last turn - After a game restart, I think more time to get back in a regular rythmn is in order. I got a turn late last night, and when I wake this morning, to do the turn - I have another turn. I'd *like* to request a turn roll back.

Winning (or losing) by stale just defeats the purpose of having human opponents.

[Slobby]

Well Chris has resigned, so I'll be looking for yet another sub, thankfully Slayer ai has already agreed to subbing, I've left it up to him to choose which of the nations - and with that there is only one sub needed. :D

[chrispedersen]

Slobby,

I give you kudos for starting up interesting games. To my mind you really started this fad of changing the victory conditions - which help set up great games.

That being said, I'd again like to encourage you to take better care after events such as forum outages, or servers being down.
The time of server processing changes. In my case the entire cycle of warningn and processing occurred while I slept.

I know I wasn't aware of what time the server was hosting now. I also know apparently I wasn't the only one, as two other people also staled.

The loss of progress in the game is extreme at this time in the game. Boundaries with neighbors are being decided, mercenaries are highly relevent, etc. Mictlan, being dominion limited rather than gold limited, suffers more from this problem. I lost 1/6 of production for the game by missing a turn.

The reason you don't wish to continue with two empties - is because it give the neighbors too much advantage. This is the same reason that I think that the turn should have been rerun.

It changes the complexion of the game too much, when a significant number stale. ***And I don't see the significant problem on rerunning the turn***

Anyway, I would have thought my comments worth a response or a comment in public or private. What is the problem with rerunning? or why you didn't wish to.

Forgetting personal feelings for a moment would the game have been better with all the people running a turn, or three people missing? I have two neighbors that *should* take advantage of Mictlans lack of troops - to roll up the empty territories.

Anyways, best wishes to all.












I was *quite* looking forward to this game - and I was enjoying it.

[slayers_ai]

err...question...where's the .map file? i only found .rgb file for the TimewarpV2.zip

Since lots of nations staled, i dont mind rolling back tho...(i haven't even started...)

[Unoptimized]

Hey chris! I'm playing LA Mid, and I am here. Things have just been busy with work, so I have not been able to post as much as I would like.

[PsiSoldier]

Yeah I dont know what happened but I staled this last turn too.. I know I did the turn, in fact it was when I commented in the game thread about the patch changing things for me and I thought I sent the turn in but somehow something must have gotten screwed up because it says I staled.

I'd certainly like to have a roll back but if not I guess I'll just consider the gold earned from last turn to be money I can spend on a new fort.

A roll back would be my preference but I'll live either way.

[Slobby]

err...question...where's the .map file? i only found .rgb file for the TimewarpV2.zip

Since lots of nations staled, i dont mind rolling back tho...(i haven't even started...)

The .map file is not needed to play, and it'll make for more of surprise as to where everyone is! :D

[Slobby]

General:
The game, as outlined in opening thread, is to be 24h for the first bit. Yes, there have been issues with llamaserver, however every time there was a hickup the correction has been made and the 24h interval reset to when the correciton was made. Just because the server goes awol should not be any reason to forget about the games that you have committed to. I'm the game admin not a babysitter.

More in reply to Chris:
I really don't see how hard it is to check your email atleast 1-2 times per 24h period and get your turn in. Apparently it is. Maybe you're too busy, real life does get in the way, however saying after you staled that you got the turn late at night and wish to roll back just won't jive. If you had posted before going to bed that you needed an extension, I could have done that. Honestly you had the turn, could have easily checked to see when it is due and gone from there. Twice now you have threatened to leave the game (in fact this time you resigned even before I could reply to your post!), well I've taken you up on your word and have already found a sub for your position.

And as for 'starting a fad' I really do not know where you're coming from. This is the first game I've organized, perhaps you mistake me for someone else.



Regardless what's done is done. I have found subs for MA T'ien and LA Mictlan and the game will go on, with perhaps one more extension to get the second sub set up. My apologies to the players for the delay.

[wksdsl]

Holle every one~
I'm the new Tien Chi :)

[chrispedersen]

General:
(in fact this time you resigned even before I could reply to your post!)


Actually, as you know that last bits not true; I sent an email to you, you made a choice, and responded to my email.

~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~

Slobby, you make it sound as if the 24h deadline has been rigorously enforced, when in fact it hasn't. Not counting the llama delay, the game was delayed on the at least 3 times going back through the threads.

I got interested in resigning when you arbitrarily delayed the game 3 days without word or explanation, till after the fact.

I grant that I signed up for a 24 hour game. But processing times that vary wildly and unpredictably do not make it easier.

And you never answered the question -why *not* just rerun the turn.

When I have hosted (and a thankless job it is - so kudos to you for that), I find the critical question is - what is the best course of action *for the game*.

So things I think are critical are:

-Explaining whats going on, when theres a delay.
-If a turn crashes explaining, asking for opinions on how to deal with it, and then explain the decision you made.
-Once you make a decision, try to apply it consistently.
-Make decisions that damage the game the least. I think thats the critical point.

So, in this particular instance, I think the game is damaged by having three staling positions, especially with a plausible reason why.

I also think that having a substitute play a position, damages the game, because the substitute presumably will not know how the pretenenders and dominion were optimized, why the research was done in the way it was etc.

Now it could be that there were huge game issues; reasons to not rerun the turn. But without an explanation it just seems you chose not to, because you didn't *want* to.

Anyway, thanks for setting up the game. Good luck & good gaming

[Slobby]

General:
(in fact this time you resigned even before I could reply to your post!)


Actually, as you know that last bits not true; I sent an email to you, you made a choice, and responded to my email.


Quote from Chris's pm to me: But without a roll back, I'm not interested in playing the game - so I will just resign the position.

I received this before I had any chance to respond to his post.

;) Do not call me a liar good sir.

*If you want to discuss this further pm me. This will be my last reply to you in this thread on this subject.

[chrispedersen]

General:
(in fact this time you resigned even before I could reply to your post!)


Actually, as you know that last bits not true; I sent an email to you, you made a choice, and responded to my email.


Quote from Chris's pm to me: But without a roll back, I'm not interested in playing the game - so I will just resign the position.

I received this before I had any chance to respond to his post.

;) Do not call me a liar good sir.

But there is nothing not consonant with what I said.

"Without a rollback, I'm not interested ..." is a conditional. It means with a rollback I wanted to continue.

You then emailed me saying "sorry to see you go". Ie., I'm not rerunning the turn.

So you had opportunity to post to the forum or take any other action. Which is what I said.

But I've beat a dead horse = )

[llamabeast]

I have no idea about this game, but it is worth mentioning that rollbacks should generally be avoided except in extreme circumstances. I've written quite a long ramble about why on the LlamaServer - if you click on admin options for any game and select to do a rollback, you can see my essay. Despite its presence people frequently do rollbacks and frequently rather regret it.

[JimMorrison]

I have no idea about this game, but it is worth mentioning that rollbacks should generally be avoided except in extreme circumstances. I've written quite a long ramble about why on the LlamaServer - if you click on admin options for any game and select to do a rollback, you can see my essay. Despite its presence people frequently do rollbacks and frequently rather regret it.

I totally agree, after having seen the terrible results firsthand, and secondhand a few times now. :P

Though, I would argue that technically in this sort of situation it's not such a big issue, as I don't think anyone has initiated intra-player hostilities yet, we're just a few turns in. On the other hand, I also understand Slobby's stated position on the matter as well. ;) Sometimes you're soft, sometimes you're hard, but most times someone will be dissatisfied either way you go, so you make the call and move on.....

[PsiSoldier]

Ok, I was actually about to take out Tien Chi's capital when wksdsl took over to sub for TC So instead of taking the poor guy out on his first turn Ive teamed up with him to show him the ropes in MP, I think this is his first MP game. He really wouldn't have had any chance any other way starting off with only one province (under siege at that) and 20 troops at this point in the game So I am giving him some of my Land to help him out too.

I might have been better off just taking his capital getting another fort and several more gems per turn but then he'd have just wasted his time agreeing to sub and all that.

[Executor]

Very noble of you. Maybe you could "lend" me a couple of provinces?

[lwarmonger]

Indeed. The undead need living space! Wait a minute...

[Executor]

LA Ermor? We consume the living and the dead,stay away.

[lwarmonger]

We have no quarrel with you, if it is you at my southern border. Either you or MA Ctis... I can't really tell.

[lwarmonger]

If it is EA Ctis, then MA Ctis has a message offering a non-aggression pact in their mailbox. If it is instead EA Ctis on my southern border, I also extend that offer to you as well.

[wksdsl]

question: I had download the "611021-SingleAgeComplete.zip" and put the "SingleAgeComplete.dm" in to the file like “\dom3\mods”
Why I can't open the Timewarp game?
It still siad "The following mod needs to be installed: Single Age mod.dm"

ps: I download the mod from "http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?t=34265&page=5" it is the right link?

[wksdsl]

ok the question had been solution:)

[JimMorrison]

Oh just a friendly reminder -

If you do border with LA Ermor, and you aren't shaping your strategy around taking them out VERY soon..... well, it's no guarantee that they will win the game (but it makes it more likely), but it IS a guarantee that you'll die to them.

:shock::cold::envy::hurt::down:

[PsiSoldier]

Oh just a friendly reminder -

If you do border with LA Ermor, and you aren't shaping your strategy around taking them out VERY soon..... well, it's no guarantee that they will win the game (but it makes it more likely), but it IS a guarantee that you'll die to them.

:shock::cold::envy::hurt::down:

While we do not yet know if we will be sharing a border with Ermor the Giants of Hinnom fear no one. Although the maggot infested undead do kind of make our skin crawl.

[PsiSoldier]

Hrrrm, I may need a slight extension on turn 10, I already have this current turn in, but I am going out of town tomorrow and Saturday for work and will not have access to a computer (or rather the internet). I have already sent turn 9 in which is due by tomorrow night around 9pm (My time) but it is doubtful I will be back home by 9pm on Saturday for Turn 10. I believe I will be back on Saturday but it will probably be closer to midnight if not Sunday morning.

If you can help me out and extend turn 10 I'd appreciate it.

[Slobby]

*crosses arms and wiggles nose* Extension granted!

[Radioheart]

It's astounding
Time is fleeting
Madness takes its toll
But listen closely
Not for very much longer
I've got to keep control

Oh I remember
Doing the time warp
Drinking those moments when
The blackness would hit me
And the void would be calling

Let's do the time warp again
Let's do the time warp again

It's just a jump to the left
And then a step to the right
Put your hands on you hips
You bring your knees in tight
But it's the pelvic thrust that really drives you insane

Let's do the time warp again
Let's do the time warp again

It's so dreamy
Oh fantasy free me
So you can't see me, no not at all
In another dimension
With voyeuristic intention
Well secluded
I see all

With a bit of a mind flip
You're into the time slip
And nothing can ever be the same
You've spaced out of sensation
Like you're under sedation.

Let's do the time warp again
Let's do the time warp again

Almost kind of thematic, yeah? Click (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdu7xoHU9DA).

[JimMorrison]

Dearest Slobby, would you be so kind as to update the front post with who is leading which nations? In trying to contact Mictlan diplomatically, I am having to expend an awful lot of effort to make sure I send the mail to the right person (typed it to Chris, was about to send, and suddenly realized that wasn't right :p).

[Slobby]

updated

[PsiSoldier]

So the cowardly skinshifters of Midgard have decided to launch a sneak attack upon the peace loving giants of Hinnom. Well not too big of a surprise after seeing your troops massing on my border but its too bad we will have to start eating your population now. I hear werewolves taste like chicken. :D

[Unoptimized]

Hey guys, sorry about the short notice, but I have on the road all day to do an early thanksgiving. Now that I have internet, I'd like to ask for a 24h extension. Thanks in advance :)

[Slobby]

Extension granted!

[PsiSoldier]

I will be gone this thanksgiving week from Weds. until Some time on Sunday possibly late Sunday night and will not have access to internet.

I'd imagine I'm not the only one who will be away from home over the holiday either. But either way if we can delay the game over Thanksgiving weekend starting Weds. I'd appreciate it.

I'm not sure how much it will matter unless I can turn things around as I have both EA Lanka and LA Midgard attacking me But Ive at least managed to kick Midgard out of my territory for the time being.

[klagrok]

Id 2nd the extension after Wednesday for the weekend as well for Thanksgiving. Not travelling far this year, maybe 20 minutes or so instead of mucho hours as usual, but figure most of the rest of us Yanks will be AWOL from computers and internet for the weekend. Dont want wives/husbands/relatives using carving knives on us instead of the gobble gobbles. :shock:

[lwarmonger]

Agreed... those wives have access to a certain portion of the anatomy I think we all would rather keep carving knife free.

[sum1lost]

EA C'tis has dastardly VIOLATED their NAP with us, and attacked. Be warned- they won't keep their NAP with you either. We will do our best to contain their armies if you help us destroy them as well!

[Executor]

Oathbreakers we are called,
We DID offer peace to the nation of Pythium, but if was an offer that never met a answer so we must assume they intended to attack us.

I just checked my turns till turn 9 when I sent you the in-game message, I never found a answer.

[sum1lost]

Oathbreakers we are called,
We DID offer peace to the nation of Pythium, but if was an offer that never met a answer so we must assume they intended to attack us.

I just checked my turns till turn 9 when I sent you the in-game message, I never found a answer.
A likely story!

We call you twice oathbreaker. Pythium certainly did send a reply, and furthermore, as we had no troops on your border, there was no reason to think we would attack. C'tis, by contrast, cut off our access to expand, then betrayed us!

Not only that, but reviewing our scouting reports, you had been maneveuring your armies to take our lands for quite some time.

For anyone who is interested, we observed C'tis armies moving around two-to three provinces behind the border for some time, keeping them always one province separated from our border, except for a small force of chariots. We assumed that this was out of respect for our borders, as we had been doing the same thing. Instead, they positioned themselves to send in a small strike force (a Shedu to one province, a handful of chariots to another) to conceal their larger forces (one including nearly a dozen sauromancers and 100+troops, and another holding even more troops!) moving up behind them. We shall now make a stand at our capital- hopefully, our air elemental summoning communion will drive the fiends off!

[Executor]

If you don't believe me than check your mail for earlier turns. Turn 10 is when you received the message I believe.

Even so I am prepared to give that turn to a third party just to prove my point.

And yes when I met no reply I did plan to attack you as soon as possible and it was a nice entrapment.

[Executor]

EA C'tis seeks a girdle of might or a amulet of resilience, or if possible both. Offer your prices.
We would also be interested in a horror helmet.

[Aapeli]

Oh yes of course I have forgotten to brag about our forging capability. The forges of Ulm are at your disposal:hammer:, and that goes for all of you (unless you are at war with me:mad:). We can forge anything from the paths of fire, water, earth and astral.

Unfortunately nature nor death is not on the list, but the price for the girdle of might is 80 gold in cash or 8 earth, fire, or astral gems.

Please let us know if you need anytihng from our masterful smiths.

[Slobby]

Well we've arrived at turn 20! Time for 48h hostings. Due to the requests for the holiday I will postpone hosting this turn until Monday, after which it'll be on 48h.

Enjoy the holiday!

[PsiSoldier]

Hrrrrmm I have not recieved this current turn from Lammaserver. I have requested a turn resend twice now and still have not gotten the turn. The only thing I have gotten is a warning that the game will host in 6 hours.

Something is ****ed up.

[Aapeli]

And of course llamabeast is away again...

[Radioheart]

Hrrrrmm I have not recieved this current turn from Lammaserver. I have requested a turn resend twice now and still have not gotten the turn. The only thing I have gotten is a warning that the game will host in 6 hours.

Something is ****ed up.

Double check your inbox? The original turn 20 went out Nov 25, Tuesday afternoon.

[BigDisAwesome]

If worst comes to worse maybe Slobby can set your nation to his email address and forward you the turn, then change it back.

That was a loooooong break we just took.

[PsiSoldier]

Its not in my inbox anywhere. I have requested turn resend 3 times now and the only thing I have gotten about Timewarp was the warning that it hosts in 6 hours...

[PsiSoldier]

Eh finally got the turn received two of the turn resends at once.

[Slobby]

Good to see all worked out, as I just got home and put my turn in. It was a looooong break. I hope everyone enjoyed it, turn 21 is out and we're on 48hr hosting interval.

Cheers

[sum1lost]

If anyone can send MA Pythium a reinvigoration item this turn, it would be nice. We will send you 300 gold in return, plus 2X repayment in gems.

[Executor]

It would appear that Pythium is planning a little siege breaking.

[sum1lost]

Our cunning plan succeeded, and we would have dined nicely on lizard, except that after we slaughtered them, they raised them from the dead and we had to slaughter them AGAIN.

A valiant defending force's work is never done, eh?

Oh, well. Almost to Const 4.

Anyone who wants to attack EA C'tis may as well while they funnel resources into attacking our capital, which is guarded by archtheurgs and a tough pretender. They'll find a solution eventually, although it'll cost them dearly in the meantime(currently pinned down by a number of sauromancers and several hundred chaff units.

[Executor]

The answer may come sooner than you think, although we are in no rush to kill you.

[Ylvali]

I would like a delay until monday if thats ok.

[Aapeli]

and what about christmas? How are things gonna work then? I wont be touching my computer from Wendsday to Friday at least.

[Slobby]

I would like a delay until monday if thats ok.

Extension granted.

[Slobby]

and what about christmas? How are things gonna work then? I wont be touching my computer from Wendsday to Friday at least.

Well currently it looks like there will not be a turn due the 24-26 ;). Will just have to wait for other people to start chiming in with their holiday plans before a more complete schedule is formed.

[JimMorrison]

and what about christmas? How are things gonna work then? I wont be touching my computer from Wendsday to Friday at least.

Well currently it looks like there will not be a turn due the 24-26 ;). Will just have to wait for other people to start chiming in with their holiday plans before a more complete schedule is formed.


My holiday plan was to keep submitting turns.

I guess everyone else will just have to stale a few times. :(

[klagrok]

Ill actually be out of town and away from the computer from Xmas day until the 31st. Seems we should be able to get a few turns in before Xmas.

[Hoplosternum]

I'll be away from the 25th - 29th December.

[Slobby]

Well since everyone is taking off at different times, I think I'll follow Pasha's example and set the hosting to casual (manually postponing when turns are due). I would hope that we can get this turn and another turn in and done over the next week. I'll continue this way until after new years. Enjoy the holidays all!

[klagrok]

Ive already submitted my turn--was hoping to get in another but see timer set for Thursday now :(

[Slobby]

It's still possible for the turn to host tommorow. :)

[klagrok]

:) If it is fine with everyone else--of course Pythium is destroyed and staled the last 4 turns so you should set them to AI--also MA T'ien Ch'i staled 2 turns in a row as well...not sure what is going on there.

[Slobby]

:doh: Aye, I had no idea, sorry all (been dealin with RL issues the last little bit). Pythium is of course dead and done so nothing to do there, T'ien will be set to ai.

Why is it so easy for players to walk away without a word to anyone nor atleast setting themselves to ai...Hinnom did, props to him.

[Slobby]

lol funny llamaserver apparently I can't set the nation to ai! lol

[klagrok]

And Mictlan, even though he was eliminated this last turn also sent his turn in. :)

[JimMorrison]

Poor sub for TC took control just as Lanka happened to discover their capital, by taking a province next to it.

We decided to be nice, since we had other people to kill, and so we backed away calmly.

Without a word, TC started grabbing proudly owned Lanka subsidiaries.

He actually put up a better fight than we were prepared for, but in the end, that is all that happened to TC. ;)

[Executor]

Well don't have to worry bout Pythium no more...

"He actually put up a better fight than we were prepared for, but in the end, that is all that happened to TC."

He kicked your *** in that one battle!!! :)

EA C'tis in need of water gems, we offer fire, air, death.

[JimMorrison]

I have a sneaking suspicion that's why it takes longer to research Fire Arrows in CBM. Oh well, got that sorted now. ;)

[JimMorrison]

Wow, I almost didn't notice, because of all of the game delayed for the holidays..... I never received turn 31. :eek: I was just checking the Llamaserver to see which games I had outstanding, and saw Timewarp was not in yet - so I've requested a resend, I hope it's not gone googly moogly on me.

..... "Googly" is recognized as a word by Firefox's spellchecker. o.O

[BigDisAwesome]

Alright I set myself to AI this turn. I'm getting wooped up on by LA C'tis and have no answer to the ridiculous amount more research they have than me.

[Ylvali]

I´m out(Marverni). Crushed under the overwhelming numbers of MA jotunheim. It was fun, cheerio.

[klagrok]

:( Was waiting for diplomatic reply when we first met. Had to expand somewhere :) And had to kill forest huggers :) Bossman, any way we can extend this turn to around 8 AM MST Thursday the 1st? Game is on my computer back in Utah, and using my bro-in-law's laptop on East Coast. Thanks-otherwise Ill have to stale.

[Slobby]

:( Was waiting for diplomatic reply when we first met. Had to expand somewhere :) And had to kill forest huggers :) Bossman, any way we can extend this turn to around 8 AM MST Thursday the 1st? Game is on my computer back in Utah, and using my bro-in-law's laptop on East Coast. Thanks-otherwise Ill have to stale.

No problem

[klagrok]

Slobby original flight to JFK cancelled--might need to add 14 hrs or so to the clock--good news is no layover now :) Otherwise just stale me

[Slobby]

Well I trust everyone had a good holiday.

Turn 32 just hosted, so with that I'd like to get back on track with our regular 48hr quickhost. If there are any objections post em. Game on!

[klagrok]

Holiday was great!!! Flights not too bad either. T'ien C'hi has staled 4 turns in a row bossman.

[Slobby]

Yeah I know. Lanka take his cap already! :D

[Executor]

Capturing Stalingrad...
I'm not sure what those Raksarajas were doing?

[JimMorrison]

It is the most disturbing and sad thing.

I had about 300 men, and a handful of Thunderstrikers (sure, half of them were well equipped soulless), and he fended me off with 20 mages and about 80 archers, and most of those mages were Alchemists, ie- no Banishment.

[Executor]

C'tis all ages seems to be doing well by score graphs in this game, and yet many people consider C'tis very week.
I guess this proves them wrong.

[JimMorrison]

Well C'tis, by many standards, has rather crappy national troops.

Expansion isn't necessarily hard with an awake SC however, and early wars likewise. The trick being that even though their mages are quite powerful, they're not necessarily versatile, so late game has few options, compared to the counters others can develop against them.

But it is interesting, and fun, to see them all doing so well in this game, I'm curious what will become of it.

[Dimaz]

Crappy troops, yep. Say it to Niefel Yarls that were slain in 2 rounds by these "crappy troops" :).

[JimMorrison]

Wow, they're even Cold Blooded, it sounds like a terrible fluke to me. :o

[Executor]

Poison slingers and Lizard Warriors are far from crappy troops, and are very cost effective, sure they all become obsolete by the mid-late stage of the game but so do most troops.

I find C'tis powerful in all stages of the game, but the most in the early when you can rush just about anyone with hordes of undead.

[JimMorrison]

Lizard Warriors lack shields, and while they are situationally useful, their armor isn't high enough to consider them much without a lot of support. Poison Slingers are hilariously reckless, and will cause horrible friendly fire casualties unless you buff to 100% PR.

I think the paradigm is simply that unless you can use a nation's troops to good effect without creating very specific circumstances - they kind of suck. Doesn't mean they are useless, just means that other nations can be more effective with less effort.

Of course, effective use of combined arms tactics can go a long way, but for example that is hard to do against indies, when cost effectiveness of troops means the world. In that context, it is hard to make a C'tissian force that will take multiple indie provinces without significant attrition, and that's definitely not a good thing. :p



I find C'tis powerful in all stages of the game, but the most in the early when you can rush just about anyone with hordes of undead.

See above about powerful mages that mostly just do 1 thing well. :p

[Executor]

C'tis can handle indies just fine, Serpant dancers, chariots, swamp guards, elite warriors, all of them do very good against indies. Hell, look at my provinces if you don't think so.
C'tis does lack magic diversity but doesn't need a bless so you can easily take a rainbow or a SC pretender for early expansion and still have good scales.
They are absolute killers in research ( again the graphs) and plus they can make tons of skull mentors.
That gives a significant lead against any other nation in battle magic, so poison cloud, nether darts, terror, shadow blast, storm of thorns, soul drain... you pick, just put that heavy infantry in front, place a few snakes with standards and go crazy with spells.

[lwarmonger]

Throw in 6-7 harvesters of sorrow equipped with bane venom charms (something C'tis can produce in large quantities)and you also create an almost invulnerable force that can devastate an enemy economy in a very short period of time (since it takes a turn to move an army in, a turn to set it patrolling to reduce unrest, as long as you keep your HoS on the move you can permanently impair, and eventually destroy, an enemy economy quite quickly). All the while your city guards are keeping their army uselessly outside your walls while you set the stage for a successful battle and subsequent rollback... this is especially effective as MA C'tis because of your dominion effects.

[JimMorrison]

Well I wasn't trying to start a huge debate, was just pointing out that C'tis is considered to have some significant flaws, and then illustrating what those are thought to be. ;) I am not here to convince anyone. :p

I am just happy to see C'tis performing so well in this game, that's all. :D

[Executor]

Well every nation has some flaws ( maybe not Hinnom they are still overpowered ) but I'm just trying to state that I find C'tis a very good nation, and is actually one of my favorite along with Kailasa and Sauromatia, that's all.
Just my opinion, after all I find helheim to be a week nation which many people would argue.

[Aapeli]

"Joern disappeared one day and was never seen again" -didn't know about that kind of random event (or spell?). Kind of mean.

Personally I like Citis but as the army size graph shows they loose troops just as fast as they build them. Wish they had something really effective like some rally big snakes with tough skins instead of the weak small ones that get shot easily.

[klagrok]

Wazz up with MA T'ien Ch'i??? Pretty sure 8 stales in a row---AI da fools.

[Slobby]

Wazz up with Lanka not taking their cap?! :p

In all seriousness tho I'd prefer to not bother someone with setting the nation to ai when the nation is so close to just being eliminated. (I've already sent a pm to the player that subbed the position - they obviously have chosen not to, or have abandoned the forum)

I'll put it to a vote, all those in favor of getting the nation set to ai respond with aye. :)

[klagrok]

Aye--8 turns with them not building up forces, etc. Someone should have easy pickings taking them out.

[JimMorrison]

Aye--8 turns with them not building up forces, etc. Someone should have easy pickings taking them out.

They don't have any income. They own one small province, and a besieged castle, and what little income they get is eaten by a score of mages.

Unfortunately, those very mages (mage-priests, many of them) decimated the force that was to take the castle, and so I've been forced to just sit on them for the time being.

They'd be well done and gone, but Midgard decided to get all frisky with me. Ironic there, as they had violated the terms of our NAP by taking the Hinnom capital, which we had agreed that Lanka would take, and so I was going to come punish them anyways. :p This whole game has been odd for Lanka, but we are proud and strong, and I've no doubt that those crusty iceberg huggers will get what's coming to them. Well and TC, they'll die sooner or later. >.>

[Executor]

Put the beast to AI. He'll charge and kill himself against Lanka. :)

[JimMorrison]

Put the beast to AI. He'll charge and kill himself against Lanka. :)

Oh I never considered that part. If he suicides against me, I'll be able to mop up more easily than if that cadre of mages can get me stuck in the gates again. :p

[Executor]

Go JIM! Only ones more and TC is dead!!!
Shame, It has been amusing watching the battles at TC Capital. :)

EA C'tis looking for some water or earth gems, preferably both. We offer air and death in return.

[JimMorrison]

I am so goddammed depressed by that castle.

I saw what I could have done differently this time, but a little late, eh? :p

Oh well..... any battle where you don't lose commanders, is a..... not so big loss. O.o

Oh if only you could see my secret weapon enter the battle against my Vannish oppressors next month, t'will be glorious. 8 )

Oh in other news, unsupported monkey PD has defeated 2 contingents of Skinshifters. ;) I think the theme of this entire corner of the map is, "WTF, how did I lose that fight??".

[Slobby]

Just and fyi the search continues for someone to set Tien to ai.

[klagrok]

Executor, the gaints of Jotunheim will trade W and E gems for D and A gems. I'll send you PM.

[vfb]

You want someone to set a nation AI? PM me and I'll give you my email address.

[Slobby]

You want someone to set a nation AI? PM me and I'll give you my email address.

Good show, and thank you! I'll send a pm shortly. :)

[Dimaz]

Niefel giants have got their revenge. Eater of Gods decided to visit me this turn, ironically on the same turn that I killed Niefelheim Cyclops. I think both Gods can say each other all they want now, in the place where they finally met.

[Aseth]

Dimaz has suddenly broke-down his internet connection, and asking for 24h break if possible

[Slobby]

sure

[Dimaz]

Fortunately my Internet was restored after several hours, so I sent the turn already. We can return to original hosting time now, or stay with new one.

[klagrok]

I like the old one :)

[Unoptimized]

Bump, also, how go the northern wars? My struggle against the mighty Lanka continues, and their secret weapon has been turned a lovely shade of granite ;).

Also, congrats to LA Ermor for staying in the game so long. Generally they are extinguished by this point.

[Radioheart]

Bump, also, how go the northern wars? My struggle against the mighty Lanka continues, and their secret weapon has been turned a lovely shade of granite ;).

Also, congrats to LA Ermor for staying in the game so long. Generally they are extinguished by this point.

Ermor is wedged in the very northwest corner of the map, and no alliance could be formed to fight them. Being so geographically confined really concentrates both their defenses and dominion spread.

[Executor]

It'll be interesting if all the C'tis nations stay till the late game, since there is no difference in the banners at all.

The Great Empire of EA C'tis looking for some earth gems. We offer death and maybe some astral in return.

[JimMorrison]

Bump, also, how go the northern wars? My struggle against the mighty Lanka continues, and their secret weapon has been turned a lovely shade of granite ;).

Also, congrats to LA Ermor for staying in the game so long. Generally they are extinguished by this point.


Which secret weapon? O.o

I'm very upset that my Davana, with its lowly 19 MR succumbed to your first (or was it second?) cast..... Even at 19, he should have endured at least a few rounds of spam. :(

The Rakshasi was even more upsetting though. I have no idea how she got set to Defend, but I'm sure you know she was meant to Hide, and then start picking off your bastard Galdermen. :p Of course I got screwed on Air income, so I can't really gear another..... Besides, you may or may not know, C'tis (one of them, I dunno) has decided to join in the war. So your secret weapon - serendipity - has been launched with or without your knowledge, and will signal the end of this troubled game. :p

I know Lanka are heavy hitters, so it's not like you get a cookie for doing well with them, but damn..... I had such a brilliant start, even going #1 income with 2Turmoil. o.O But splitting my forces between Hinnom (who was almost dead) and MA TC (who was barely there) led to slight defeats on both fronts, setting me up for a horrendous attrition rate before this conflict with Vanheim could get underway.

Oh if only I had those 1000 men that I lost to TC's Fire Arrows and Totally-Random-Full-Spectrum-Evocation-Salvos™, the war would have gone differently..... until C'tis came out of nowhere anyways. :re:


I really wanted to start sort of near Ermor. REALLY did. I had plans worked out for how to deal with them, and then what to do with their Death income once they were dealt with. ;) Oh well, next time. I'll see you all in hell! YAH! :p (not quitting or AI or anything, that's just fun to yell)

[lwarmonger]

Lol... Ermor and one of the Monkey Empires is currently locked in a death grip. It is still in the balance, with the Monkeys having a slight advantage. Tides can turn quickly though, so I guess we will see.

[Executor]

Jim, I can't thank you enough for slaughtering those 200 man. I was trying to get rid of them from the start of the game!!! As you noticed I was trying to starve those bastadrs to death.
Upkeep much smaller now!:)

[JimMorrison]

Jim, I can't thank you enough for slaughtering those 200 man. I was trying to get rid of them from the start of the game!!! As you noticed I was trying to starve those bastadrs to death.
Upkeep much smaller now!:)

I really was wishing that the "mostly militia" was really hiding something awful that would be worth killing.

Oh and folks, now both Midgard and some C'tis or other (MA? south end of the map ;)) seem to have fully committed their primary armies at the farthest southern reaches of the map. If you were planning to attack them, better move those plans up before they consolidate the rest of the once rich lands of almost peaceful Lanka. ;)

[Unoptimized]

Ugh. Well played battle Jim, I clearly came at you with too little force.

At any rate, I'd like to request an 8 hour extension please. I will do my turn as soon as I get home from work.

[Slobby]

done

[JimMorrison]

Ugh. Well played battle Jim, I clearly came at you with too little force.

At any rate, I'd like to request an 8 hour extension please. I will do my turn as soon as I get home from work.

Well, the fact that you caught me off balance with your first strikes, and then the stupid errors I've made since, made you a bit overconfident, I think. ;)

Though I think it was stupid that my pretender would only get off 1 Earthquake and go to 174 Fatigue - not even hurting your army. :p I still don't understand why her Fatigue wasn't half that, and then she'd cast again. I'm glad she didn't since you had Fog Warriors up, but meh.

Otherwise you've been running roughshod over my forces, so I will call it a silver lining on my coffin. :p Oh if only I had focused on Hinnom first, then squashed TC. I think my Blood hunting would have gotten into high gear fast enough to make this a much less one sided conquest.

It's I who should be congratulating you, for coming from such a mediocre position at start, to having all your ducks in a row in time to wax me handily. :happy:

[Unoptimized]

Swing low, sweet chariot...