Madness - 24 players, MA+LA, CBM 1.4 (running) [Archive] - Page 2

archaeolept

February 11th, 2009, 10:58 AM

ok, i'm using the chit from when I had absolutely nothing, and going AI - this should allow the Jots to be able to carve out a little empire; hopefully big enough to pose some threat and to be able to attract a sub for when crecerelle wants to leave the game.

I'm overloaded and am not enjoying the play.

I could try and sub now, but it makes more sense to sub out the whole valley for the jots a bit later.

I can assure you that jotunheim does not have an unfair advantage by having me go AI.

congrats to the jots.

edit: crec is welcome to take mictlan instead, but I don't believe she wants to do that.

Zeldor

February 11th, 2009, 11:03 AM

You are not allowed to go AI, archae :) If you want to leave the game, look for a sub. I am sure that one of the defeated players would be interested, maybe Jazzepi?

KissBlade

February 11th, 2009, 03:20 PM

Jotun + Mictlan combined can make some sort of equiv to an actual nation. ;)

Wokeye

February 12th, 2009, 02:20 AM

I'm back now, cheers :)

archaeolept

February 12th, 2009, 03:09 AM

meh, not going AI quite yet

Zeldor

February 12th, 2009, 11:52 AM

LA TC has plenty of W gems for sale. We can trade for almost anything. We'd be especially interested in some cool items, like fire brands, charcoal shields...

KissBlade

February 14th, 2009, 07:40 PM

Hey, as I told Zeldor prior to joining this game, this map is too big for me to play long term. As a result, I picked what I thought was going to be one of the crappiest early game nations and thought I'd make something of it. I had fun but now that I have the valley to myself and probably will sign some NAP's to entrench for a good long term game, it's getting a bit stale for me. So if any vanquished players would like to try their hand with Bogarus they're welcome to. I can give you details in a PM or whatever. The position is ok, not leading in anything, not lagging in anything, but it's Bogarus so go figure =P. Offering it here before opening to general subs!

Dragar

February 15th, 2009, 04:25 AM

Why sign the NAPS then? go for glory!

Reay

February 15th, 2009, 07:00 AM

Why was the host delayed 24 hours this turn?

I am also wondering when are we going to change to a 48 hour hosting period?

Zeldor

February 15th, 2009, 07:08 AM

Oh, I was sure I posted here - Juffos requested some more time, as he is out.

48h timer will be around turn 25-30.

KissBlade

February 15th, 2009, 02:06 PM

Why sign the NAPS then? go for glory!

I tend to fight very nasty wars and there's no point in screwing my neighbors. =)

I'm still putting in turns, just putting defenses in place and conquering indies. =\

archaeolept

February 15th, 2009, 02:21 PM

hey, you can't go unless you sub me out!

them's the rules!11!

JimMorrison

February 17th, 2009, 10:14 PM

MA Caelum is offering 20W gems for a Dwarven Hammer. Get em while they're cold!

We will also entertain the notion of trading (a) Hammer(s) partially or in full for forging of Air or Water items to suit your national needs. <3

statttis

February 18th, 2009, 05:43 PM

Arcosephale has a surplus of air gems. We will trade them 1:1 for fire, water, or earth gems. Contact by PM if interested.

Wokeye

February 18th, 2009, 07:38 PM

Vanheim's smiths are happy to produce Dwarven Hammers, in between the needs of our rather intense war for the valley with LA Man.

Please PM me if interested in trading for one. Interested in items/gems not including air & earth.

KissBlade

February 19th, 2009, 01:49 AM

Intense War?? didn't LA Man go AI?!

Jazzepi

February 19th, 2009, 01:59 AM

I was playing MA Man :O

Jazzepi

Dragar

February 19th, 2009, 02:14 AM

Yep, LA Man is AI, but on the basis of province count appears to be winning! Why AI a seemingly leading position?

That said, I was a bit surprised when I finally made it into bandar's castle anumber of turns after starshine went AI - thought I'd have a walkover and was almost embarrassed by the mage power in there!

Wokeye

February 19th, 2009, 04:48 AM

What the... AI??? HAHAHAHAHA I didn't even realise... geez, that explains a lot! :)

Actually qio was in total control of the valley there for a while, got me down to my capital only, where I won some key battles. I've been slowly pushing Man back even since.

Damn I really thought I was still playing against a human.

Zeldor

February 19th, 2009, 09:56 AM

On turn 30 I will switch the timer to 48h.

Zeldor

February 19th, 2009, 10:04 AM

LA T'ien Ch'i is interested in nature gems. We can forge cool items in exchange.

archaeolept

February 19th, 2009, 02:29 PM

would prefer 48 hrs sooner, as I continue looking for a sub.

Dragar

February 19th, 2009, 09:31 PM

LA Abysia is seeking earth and astral gems, can trade air/water/fire/nature in singificant quantities, and to a smaller extent death

KissBlade

February 20th, 2009, 02:40 PM

Bogarus WTB 1 Hammer + Earth boot, Trade any thing else in gems (or can make stuff. Probably) let me know =)

I also desire virgins. By virgins, I mean blood slaves.

JimMorrison

February 20th, 2009, 02:56 PM

I also desire virgins.

Welcome to the club, my friend.

Incabulos

February 20th, 2009, 03:47 PM

I also desire virgins.

Welcome to the club, my friend.

WIth such a cute baby face surely they are throwing themselves off cliffs at you?

JimMorrison

February 20th, 2009, 04:01 PM

WIth such a cute baby face surely they are throwing themselves off cliffs at you?

They often seem to mistake the mouths of volcanoes, for my arms. At least, that's my current theory. On the bright side, we have not had a volcanic eruption in recent history.

Zeldor

February 22nd, 2009, 09:37 AM

LA TC is interested in following items:

- Golden Shield
- blood boosters
- air boosters
- Skullface

We can offer:
- dwarven hammers
- water boosters
- thistle maces
- death staves
- starshine skullcaps
- frost brands
- rainbow armors etc

Zeldor

February 23rd, 2009, 07:39 AM

Game is on 48h hosting now :)

Wokeye

February 25th, 2009, 05:35 AM

Thanks Zeldor, GJ.

Zeldor

February 25th, 2009, 09:12 AM

TC is selling Gate Cleavers now too. We still want items listed earlier :)

Evilhomer

February 26th, 2009, 07:59 PM

I will be away during the entire weekend and will be needing a 24 hour extension on the next turn (32 that is), for a total of 72 hours.

archaeolept

February 26th, 2009, 08:02 PM

you're big enough you can afford a stale :D
:evil:

Wokeye

February 27th, 2009, 04:45 AM

Bah! Just when we were starting to get on top of our rather peristent infestation of armoured knights, a bunch of chicken men show up! The Vans are not impressed with the interruption to mead consumption!

Zeldor

February 27th, 2009, 07:51 AM

Ok, I will add 24h.

LA TC is interested in buying or getting a loan of E gems. We can offer good conditions and discount on our items :)

DonCorazon

February 27th, 2009, 10:37 AM

Pythium suggests a trade embargo on Tien Chi :)

Zeldor

February 27th, 2009, 10:39 AM

Why? :P

P.S. It looks like 24h is not needed, as Midgard has submitted its turn.

P.P.S. You should spend more time on IRC, don.

DonCorazon

February 27th, 2009, 11:36 AM

Why? Well, flashbacks of a little sweet innocent Zeldor, quietly researching and making friends with all his neighbors, then a little forge goes up for a turn or two, and a while later the world is awash in Tarts :)

Zeldor

February 27th, 2009, 11:44 AM

I don't lead in research graphs :) I am far behind in them really. And it's not like I needed that 100 tarts then... they were just sitting around and doing no harm to enemies. Well, most of the time.

And there is simply nothing evil in grabbing artifacts, elemental royalty and some blood uniques...

Reay

February 27th, 2009, 09:06 PM

There is a lot of evil in stealing my unique blood summons :).

KissBlade

February 28th, 2009, 04:03 AM

Are the good artifacts already taken? I don't have the gem income to even push artifacts so I didn't bother with construction yet. =\

Zeldor

March 1st, 2009, 03:06 AM

LA Pan got a funny idea to break a NAP and just attack without warning. Well, they will be annihilated.

Incabulos

March 1st, 2009, 03:12 AM

I can break out the PMs clearly showing you broke the NAP by expanding past our agreed borders a turn or two after you asked for the NAP and declared the borders; to top it off you put up PD in those provinces despite my warning not to since I would consider that an act of war. In fact when I asked why you exapanded past the borders that were part of our NAP agreement you suggested I should pay you for taking the poorly defended provinces since taking out a province with 5 units in it clearly deserves reward. Your PD was much hhigher than it was in the provinces you took.

archaeolept

March 1st, 2009, 04:00 AM

yeah, it is correct to post the agreement from the PM if it has been violated.

Incabulos

March 1st, 2009, 07:25 AM

Top Down.

Originally Posted by Zeldor
Greetings from LA T'ien Ch'i. It looks like you are in a valley south of me. MA Arco is dead, he is just flying around with his pretender, you can kill him

I'd like to offer you NAP, with an option to upgrade it to alliance later. I'd be rather interested in eliminating other threats east of me. I'd offer that border: 256-257-238-239 and NE of that for me, south of that for you, including the important city at 217. My offer includes forging of items at base cost etc. And I could help you with your southern neighbour, through caves.

Originally Posted by Incabulos
We offer you a NAP of 3 or 5 for this agreement. This is on condition that you have no NAP with Caelum and will not seek a NAP with caelum. With their flying troops they can take great advantage of bottlenecks in thesse lands and so we need to eliminate them early.
The Stone Hag

Originally Posted by Zeldor
NAP5 sounds good. Elimination of Caelum is my goal too, that's why I want to have good relations with you and focus on them

Originally Posted by Incabulos
I hope you are clearing those provinces for us and will not be leaving any PD in them otherwise you are already breaking our agreed terms and thereby nullifying the NAP.

256-257-238-239
236 and 237 are clearly not northeast of that border.

Were are things of the feywild and do not hesitate to take insult. Our capricious nature is not to be tested

Originally Posted by Zeldor
Well, that provinces were owned by MA Arcoscephale. I killed his pretender and cleaned the game from his presence. You had no armies nearby to do the job.

I think that some payment for me cleaning that provinces, killing Arco pretender and getting rid of his dominion, would be adequate, so you could take that 2 provinces back and my army could freely go towards Caelum.

Pangaea had awe satyrs stealthed in the provinces and were in place to take the provinces. The provinces would have been simple to take considering the level of defence that was in the provinces (5 units or so in each of very low caliber PD). Compare to the PD that was in place from TC after probing it with a harpy it was clear there was no peaceful intention.

After my warning about placing PD, which was sent in plenty of time for the turn to be sent without placing PD I felt I had casus belli when I discovered there was in fact PD placed there the turn following the warning.

Zeldor

March 1st, 2009, 09:07 AM

You are the one violating the NAP. I have only grabbed more provinces because you lost them to Ma Arcoscephale. I took care of his pretender, that you couldn't kill, and grabbed his remaining provs, to kill him [as you had no armies able to do so]. I was willing to honor our agreement, but I only got a threatening PM, which made me worry about possible good relationship. I never got a reply on my PM, where I suggested giving you that provs back in exchange for some small reparation for using my armies to kill enemy that was conquering your provs and killed your pretender.

And now you come with stealthy armies, that must have been preparing that attack for many turns. So it looks like you planned to launch that attack from the beginning :)

archaeolept

March 1st, 2009, 10:17 AM

it is not up to one party of an agreement to decide whether or not he is "willing to honour our agreement", threatening PM or no. If a border was agreed upon, there is no right to hold on to territory beyond it; perhaps putting up pd might be a military necessity if arco was counter-attacking, but asking for payment for lands which are not yours clearly violates the prior agreement.

the existence of stealthy armies is not a violation of a NAP. You cannot use a belief that an opponent was going to violate a NAP as rationale for you yourself breaking it.

IMO

Zeldor

March 1st, 2009, 11:27 AM

I never asked for money, just suggested it :) There was only some PD there and I never stopped him from taking that provs back :) He just attacked with one scout even before I could read his PM and change anything before hosting.

Anyway, I'm fine with killing Pangaea :) Action is always good :)

KissBlade

March 1st, 2009, 01:21 PM

Apparently both sides agree to war then! PS. Caelum, looks like you're eyed by TC as well!

On another note, completely unrelated of all this, I will trade 10 gems of any sort (save death or earth as I have no such income) for 2 luck pendants!

Evilhomer

March 1st, 2009, 07:13 PM

The peaceful nation of midgard is looking to trade gems. We have a need for more air and earth. in return we offer all other types of gems, aswell as various items we can forge.

We also have a need for 5 shields of gleaming gold. Kb, if you still need those lucky pendants and can pay in air, send me a pm, I already have spare pendants so I can send them this turn.

KissBlade

March 1st, 2009, 07:47 PM

I really didn't want to part with my air gems but =\ I guess we can make a deal. Will send this turn. remember, I am the laughable nation of Bogarus. -.- Who are also peaceful.

Wokeye

March 2nd, 2009, 04:37 AM

The Vans welcome the hosts of jaguar-men descending on our lands as the coats make such lovely rugs. It's a shame the eagle men are not chickens, as we'd prefer to eat them on our saturday picnic lunches on the fjord.

Apsophos

March 2nd, 2009, 02:11 PM

Zeldor

March 2nd, 2009, 02:36 PM

More than all your other troops together :) I think you did some pretty bad movement mistakes. And my ancestor vessels were way better against elephants than I expected.

Also, LA TC has SPECIAL OFFER! We are selling Rings of Wizardry for 75 gems per piece! Quantities limited! Special discounts available.

Evilhomer

March 3rd, 2009, 03:08 PM

Looking to buy the following items:

Flaming helmet (+1 F booster)
Ring of wizardry (+1 all booster)
Staff of elemental mastery (+1 elemental booster)
shields of gleaming gold x5

Willing to trade:
gems
air boosters (helm/misc)
death boosters (helm/staff)
blood boosters (hand/misc)
nature boosters (hand/misc)
Robe of the magi (only for a ring of wizardry)
wraith crown and various other forgable items

KissBlade

March 3rd, 2009, 05:05 PM

it'll take me a few turns to round up the gems for a fire booster after which I will trade for an air. >.> BT W, would any deceased players like to take over the nation of Bogarus? You get to sit around on poor gems and a poorly thought out research tree and do nothing. =) (You also lost half your army trying to kill /one/ dragon ...)

Wokeye

March 4th, 2009, 02:05 AM

I may be interested in a few turns when I become 'deceased' :)

Wokeye

March 5th, 2009, 06:07 AM

GG All, I was happy to win the nasty little battle for my valley vs LA Man, unfortunately that plus trying to mop up the AI left me a bit 'vulnerable' to MA Mictlan. Oh well, losing is fun!

KissBlade

March 5th, 2009, 09:16 PM

Well you can take over Bogarus once you're fully downed. It's by no means a winning position but it's a peaceful one to experiment some spells with (let me just get one more turn to try out some new summons) and you can really screw up someone's game if you choose. (There's some powerful evo's they can pull off =D)

Zeldor

March 6th, 2009, 12:39 PM

LA TC provides new service - you can now buy Ring of Wizardry also for gold only :) PM for details.

DonCorazon

March 6th, 2009, 12:50 PM

Zeldor,
Please post prices.

Arcos, sorry a rogue commander attacked you. He has been executed. No need for a counter attack :)

Zeldor

March 6th, 2009, 12:53 PM

Everything depends on relations between our nations etc. We are selling to enemies too though :) If you are interested, message me with your offer :)

There is also discount on ordering 3+ RoWs :)

I may be also selling remnants of artifacts that I managed to find, for example Orb of Atlantis or Sharpest Tooth :)

JimMorrison

March 6th, 2009, 06:25 PM

I thought you fixed the map so that there were no artifacts? Except maybe at the center island....? O.o

Zeldor

March 6th, 2009, 06:37 PM

Find by get to const8 and find unforged :)

And there are still some chances that indy commanders will get artifacts as equipment. You can only lower the probability of that happening.

KissBlade

March 6th, 2009, 06:41 PM

Remnants of artifacts indeed! I researched up to construction 8 and they were ALL taken except for the three I invested in, in which they were failed to produce as someone else made them on the same turn. Sigh =( 60+ gems down the drain and all that research for nothing.

DonCorazon

March 6th, 2009, 06:54 PM

I got to Con 8 and all I got was this lousy T-shirt (and the Barrier) :(

statttis

March 6th, 2009, 08:30 PM

There are still some artifacts left :confused:

JimMorrison

March 6th, 2009, 09:38 PM

Hmmmm, I wonder who could possibly have forged them all so soon then.

Would probably be someone with access to many paths, and many cross path mages.

Maybe people should keep their eyes open for someone who might be trying to cash in on their Hammer of the Forge Lord, perhaps very publicly trying to sell cheap Rings of Wizardry, or even just random artifacts they don't need - clues of that nature. :o

KissBlade

March 7th, 2009, 11:20 AM

Alright I turned my files over to Wokeye. I couldn't even get to test the summons I wanted as "mountain/forest" provinces don't count as "mountain" provinces in terms of summoning mountain villas so I can't even get the creatures to heal my diseases off my old dudes. Boo =\ Is this a bug??

vfb

March 7th, 2009, 11:40 AM

Sounds like a bug ... but I thought afflictions caused by old age can't be healed anyway, except with the chalice or GoH.

Zeldor

March 7th, 2009, 01:02 PM

Anyway, who has the Chalice?

And sacred hydras with GoH should be fun to fight :)

Zeldor

March 8th, 2009, 05:49 AM

I have postponed hosting by 8h, for me, as I didn't manage to do the turn in the morning and I have to spend whole day at university.

Evilhomer

March 8th, 2009, 06:16 PM

The friendly and peaceful nation of midgard is looking to trade a larger number of air gems. In return we are willing to offer water, astral or death gems.

Zeldor

March 13th, 2009, 02:30 PM

New official pricing, based on current gem demands is now available :)

You can have Ring of Wizardry [yeah, +1 to EVERYTHING!] for:
- 1500 gold
- 50 E gems
- 55 D/S gems
- 60 A/N gems
- 70 F/W gems
- 160 blood slaves

Other items available too. TC will also buy Rune Smashers.

DonCorazon

March 13th, 2009, 03:02 PM

Is this an economic / trading simulation or war game? Pyth calls once again for a trade embargo on the LA Agarth...er TC. :)

Evilhomer

March 13th, 2009, 03:23 PM

TC aka LA peddlers :D

Zeldor

March 14th, 2009, 11:25 AM

It seems that some people are not aware of some features on that map, so I will remind them.

There are 6 cave provicnes linking to central island, called gateways. Every one of them has recruitable Troll Kings for 150 gold. Homer has 2 of them, if someone didn't notice. I have 1. 3 are unclaimed :) They are located at 3,7,68,383,405,114.

There are also some hidden poptypes, 3 of them actually, in rear cave provs behind water.

poptype 69 are Asmegs, A2H1 size 3 giants
poptype 67 are Dwarven Smiths, so E3 + 110% FAED mages
poptype 70 are Svartalvs, so E2D2 + 100% FAED mages
both 67 and 70 also have Vaetti Hags, cheap with just 100% SDNB

Provs with them are marked as "Many sites" [same as garrisons leading to plains or cave entrances].

#setland 28
#poptype 67

#setland 61
#poptype 69

#setland 11
#poptype 70

#setland 331
#poptype 67

#setland 401
#poptype 69

#setland 399
#poptype 70

#setland 406
#poptype 67

#setland 413
#poptype 69

#setland 16
#poptype 70

#setland 1
#poptype 67

#setland 33
#poptype 69

#setland 225
#poptype 70

archaeolept

March 14th, 2009, 11:40 AM

so I will remind them.you cannot remind what was never said. I had no idea about the existence of smiths/svartalfs, and no clue where the asmegs were located. This info is neither annotated in the .map file nor made explicit in the game post, nor stated in the thread where you download the map. Any players who were not explicitly aware of these would have been operating at a severe disadvantage.

Wokeye

March 16th, 2009, 05:21 AM

Those caves will get a work-over now :)

Zeldor

March 18th, 2009, 11:47 AM

Ok, we are waiting just for MA Caelum to play his turn. Next turn is with 3.23 patch, so get it :)

Evilhomer

March 21st, 2009, 08:49 AM

In the spirit of peddling things, the peaceful nation of Midgard is looking to buy nature gems:

I will pay 1.1 gems any kind for each nature gem (rounded down). I also offer some items that is hard to obtain:

Robe of the magi (50 nature gems)
blood stone (17 nature gems)
rune smashers (17 nature gems)
air booster (22 nature gems)

Zeldor

March 21st, 2009, 12:08 PM

I hope you are not planning to get NAture's Bounty up :) I think it would be treated like universal declaration of war against anyone on that map, with other powerful globals banned.

T'ien Ch'i is still selling Rings of Wizardry at good prices! That turn there is discount for paying in E gems.

Evilhomer

March 25th, 2009, 03:52 PM

I will need a postponement of 12 hours on the current turn! Also can we please go to 72 hours starting from next turn ?

Zeldor

March 25th, 2009, 04:08 PM

I can add 12h, but it would be rather early for 72h. I don't think it should happen sooner than on turn 50. I will change it if archae wants it too, as he is one of the biggest players too.

archaeolept

March 25th, 2009, 04:56 PM

i'm good w/ 48hrs until turn 50

Reay

March 25th, 2009, 07:27 PM

I would prefer 72 hours after turn 50 as well.

Zeldor

March 28th, 2009, 01:48 PM

I have added 12h.

DonCorazon

April 1st, 2009, 01:09 PM

Can I get a 4 hour extension? Quickhost creep is making it tough on the West Coast. thanks.

Wokeye

April 3rd, 2009, 05:32 PM

Just a heads up guys, I'l be out of range my Saturday -> saturday (US friday -> friday I think) next week. Going to the beach for a holiday YAY :)

Wokeye

April 5th, 2009, 07:54 AM

err... I mean easter -> weekend after easter.

Zeldor

April 6th, 2009, 11:26 AM

I have changed hosting to 72h, as requested. We are on turn 50 now.

Juffos

April 7th, 2009, 04:07 PM

I must give over my position due to academy entrance exams.

I am seeking a permament sub, because my position is far too strong to be left for AI. I am playing LA Marignon.

If any of you already defeated players would like another chance, let me know.

DonCorazon

April 9th, 2009, 02:59 AM

Strange I didn't get a warning on the turn hosting - was gonna ask for an extension as I just got back from a full day of work travel after being out of town for a week. Looks like I just missed the hosting. Oh well, at least I dont need the extension. I never even had a chance to look at turn 50 so 51 should be interesting.

Zeldor

April 9th, 2009, 06:02 AM

Strange, it is set to 12h, so everyone should get it...

Wokeye

April 9th, 2009, 06:57 AM

Just submitted turn 51 - I'll be away from the computer for a week from today. :)

Gotta pack the car tonight...sigh... maybe I'll ask the wifey if we could leave behind a kid or two....

Zeldor

April 9th, 2009, 03:50 PM

For some uknown reason game is still on 48h timer. I will try switching it again. It might have been the reason that you didn't get email notice.

15:30 GMT on Monday April 6th Hosting interval changed to 72 hours.

DonCorazon

April 9th, 2009, 04:30 PM

Luckily, I am not too emotionally invested in LA Pyth so I have no objections, though I am not one to stale normally. I still haven't looked at the turn yet and I don't recall when the action heats up with my neighbor so it may or may not have been consequential.

JimMorrison

April 9th, 2009, 08:57 PM

My stale was actually due to the same reason, I was kind of busy, and thought there was another day for some reason so I wasn't checking. Then I had a new turn in the mail, woo.

Juffos

April 10th, 2009, 12:29 AM

Very well then, since I am not available until next Tuesday and it seems like nobody is going to pick my position up, I am going to put myself to AI.

Be mindful of the game leaders, any aspiring Pantokrator most probably will be pleased when neighbouring nations descend into chaos :)

archaeolept

April 10th, 2009, 03:23 AM

perhaps we can look for someone to take up the position. a couple stales while a replacement is looked for will not be any different than a couple turns of AI - you are not in any war atm.

Zeldor

April 10th, 2009, 06:44 AM

Juffos:

Huh, try creating a new thread looking for a sub. And wait at least 2-3 turns before turning AI. That wouldn't be really fair for other players, as it would profit just your neighbours [me and archae]. You are too big to go down [like GM and other US companies :P].

DonCorazon

April 10th, 2009, 09:48 AM

oh, i was attacked on the stale. now i am motivated. :)

archaeolept

April 11th, 2009, 10:45 AM

game should be delayed while a sub is looked for.

archaeolept

April 11th, 2009, 12:23 PM

please delay a day while this is sorted out, as my strategic situation, and hence my turn, is directly affected.

Reay

April 11th, 2009, 12:35 PM

Yes, I don't mind waiting for LA Marignon to get a sub.

Zeldor

April 11th, 2009, 12:50 PM

Ok, added 24h. Happy Easter! :)

Calahan

April 12th, 2009, 05:36 AM

Hi Everyone

I'm taking over as La Marignon, but I am running into various errors with regards the mods being used in this game. Haven't been around for 6 months or more, so it's safe to say that I'm a bit behind the times here and there. Also, it seems that only one of the mod links on the first page leads to a mod that actually works, so it might be worth updating it for the benefit of any future subs :)

The Problems -

1) I've downloaded the 'SingleAgeComplete' mod from the first page, but the game is asking for 'Single Age mod'. Is this just a simple renaming job, or is it a specific mod for this game? Also can't see this specifically named mod on the llamaserver anywhere.

2) Game is also asking for 'CBcomplete_1.41b'. The first page link only leads to 'CBcomplete_1.4', and the newest CBM mod I can see on the mod forum is 'CBcomplete_1.41' updated by llamabeast on 29th March 2009. It makes no mention of a 'b' version. Also checked out the mods on llamaserver and there seems to be about half a dozen custom CBM mods uploaded there. Someone want to fill me in on what the hell is going on here? Has a CBM modding war broke out or something?

3) Which version of the WoG Team Arena map do I need? The status page makes no specific mention of a version number. The first page link leads to WoG Team Arena2 (which looks to have been updated after this game started) and there's a bunch of different versions of the WoG map available on the llamaserver. If someone could nail down the one I need to use, that'd be great :)

4) Think it's just the 3 problems at the moment. But be surprised if a 4th doesn't pop its head up.

Thanks in advance to anyone who spends the time answering any of these problems. I've been using computers for 20+ years, so won't need step by step instructions, but do want to make sure I'm using all the right mod/map versions. As busting the llamaserver on my first day back is probably not the best thing do :D

Zeldor

April 12th, 2009, 07:48 AM

Calahan:

1) You need to create a copy of the one you have and rename it. It was an issue with llamaserver that is already resolved, but it requires that renaming for older games.

2) Renamed 1.41 should be fine too. b was a hotfix for a bug with LA Agartha. Oh, it was added in that thread as attachment later. Here is the link, I will fix first post.

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=7632&d=1232929560

3) You don't need map file to play a game. It is embedded in .trn file. That map exists only on my computer and llamaserver :)

Let me know how much time you need to play the turn, hosting is quite close and you won't get the notice as old player submitted his turn [probably turning nation to AI].

JimMorrison

April 12th, 2009, 03:01 PM

3) You don't need map file to play a game. It is embedded in .trn file. That map exists only on my computer and llamaserver :)

The full answer being to download the "updated" version of the map, so that the proper image is available, since they didn't change between versions.

Calahan

April 12th, 2009, 08:18 PM

Ok, everything seems to be working now after a bit of re-naming. Thanks 'Zeldor' and 'JimM' :)

It's very late here now in the UK, but hope to get my turn sent in some time tomorrow (although I may need a further delay of about 12 hours due to the combination of family commitments + Easter holidays)

Also, can anyone who has any diplomatic relations with LA Marignon (NAP's etc) please PM me about them. Since I'm going to assume that I'm free to attack, or could be attacked, by anyone that doesn't let me know differently.

Zeldor

April 13th, 2009, 09:01 AM

Added 12h more. I don't think people will be mad, it's good timing for delay like that. It's Easter after all, nice weather outside, we can all use some rest :) And get back to fighting later :P

Dragar

April 13th, 2009, 09:36 AM

nice weather?? first rain in months!! cooped up inside with no turns to play :(

JimMorrison

April 13th, 2009, 03:17 PM

It's Easter after all, nice weather outside,

It's like a monsoon in Oregon right now, and I'm Atheist. :p

That said, I'm very dissatisfied with my turn right now, so any delay is fine by me. ;)

Zeldor

April 14th, 2009, 03:01 PM

It looks like homer feels strong enough to declare war on everyone by putting Bounty up...

Evilhomer

April 16th, 2009, 03:45 PM

Need 12 hours more on this turn please. Busy day, lots of things to do in turn.

Zeldor

April 17th, 2009, 08:05 AM

Ok, granted. But try not to repeat it, we are on 72h timer after all.

JimMorrison

April 18th, 2009, 03:57 AM

Okay, I've tried to process turns for this game as long as I could, but this is just crap, you'll need to sub out Caelum, or I can place them AI.

It was bad enough to manipulate some poor newbie into refusing to negotiate peace with me as MA C'tis, but then to wait until I am hip deep in war against the kings of attrition, only to flagrantly break NAP and massively assault me without warning - forget it, Zeldor, I am more than done with this sad joke of a game.

I'd love to see you win a game without the help of unsuspecting newbies, I really would - but grossly violating NAPs as well? I expected just slightly more.

Zeldor

April 18th, 2009, 04:00 AM

It was you violating the NAP long long time ago. I simply waited for a good moment, instead of getting provoke to war with you when I had big chances of losing it. You broke the NAP by occupying 2 of my territories. You should have fully attacked me then, if you really wanted war.

And you closed all expasion for MA C'tis, so why are you blaming him now for fighting?

Wokeye

April 18th, 2009, 06:05 AM

The peaceful nation of Bogaris has been visciously attacked by blood-crazed LA Mictlan troops, with a series of plagues unleashed at distance - it was to be expected from such a warlike people, I guess. Time to earn some jaguar skins for our rugs and eagle feathers for our pillows! :)

Reay

April 18th, 2009, 06:20 AM

You got a few Jaguar Skins already...

My game crashes to desktop each time I view that battle in Grey Mountains. How about you?

archaeolept

April 18th, 2009, 10:52 AM

publish the pm's w/ the NAP agreement.

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April 18th, 2009, 04:42 PM

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So what are your plans now? You have cut off MA C'tis and you have a border with me. I still didn't choose who to fight next, but I am not afraid of mammoths at all - killing all MA Arco elephants was really easy for me. So it's more about what you want If you want peace, I can sign solid NAP and you can fight C'tis.

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As annoying a foe as they can be, C'tis is who I intended to deal with next.

But, be quite sure, while I am going to use the Mammoths that are left over from indies and such, I've no need or use for repopulating them - damned expensive things they are. And certainly not altogether effective against mounted archers.

In any case, we graciously accept the offer of a standard NAP, and we appreciate the aesthetically pleasing border that exists between our nation and yours. <3

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Sounds good. And it looks like 258 is for me, 260 for you

I put the --- to mark where the quotes end/transition to the next message.

Wokeye

April 18th, 2009, 05:19 PM

You got a few Jaguar Skins already...
My game crashes to desktop each time I view that battle in Grey Mountains. How about you?

:) Yes mine crashes too.

Bogaris has some interesting tricks up their sleeve...I wonder if I can recover enough to put them into action.

Incabulos

April 18th, 2009, 05:44 PM

In my book you are both forked tongued snakes and deserve whatever you wrought upon each other...

Messages from Caelum (to me as Pangaea)

So you know - Zeldor and I -did- sign NAP, in direct violation of the word of your agreement.

I wish to secure full military alliance with Pangaea, dependent upon clear access into their interior, meaning that you would get the southern entrance, and I would take the northern.

Upon their eventual defeat, it would make sense for each party to claim 1 capital within TC's current borders. I would leave it to you to take first pick, and Caelum will take the other.

Let me know as soon as you can, so I can defuse my current situation with C'tis - TC is a far bigger threat.

Unfortunately for the conniving Prime Minister of TC, he has grossly violated our own agreement, and thus needs no warning.

We do however need probably at least 2 turns to negotiate peace with C'tis - they do not seem to like to visit the forums, making communication excruciatingly slow. I did just devastate their first army last turn with minimal losses, and the Caelian war machine is in full swing, and ready to shame and abuse the misguided forces of TC - so as soon as we can, we will come on wings of freezing death for our treacherous foe.

Oh, and we forgive you for that early grab, it was bold and daring, and those are admirable traits indeed.

BTW- are you in need of any forgings? We'd be happy to trade a pair of Frost Brands for a Thistle Mace, for starters. Also, we could possibly be convinced to supply you with a Staff of Storms to shut down TC's archer-centric tactics, though that would work best if you could supply the Air gems for it, as our income will ultimately never be enough to satisfy our own rapacious demand for Air.

I like your thinking here. I've been putting off submitting, hoping and praying that C'tis will actually check his PMs first - so I'm not sure what I can afford to send there this turn - however, I should have no problem claiming it, with a sufficient force to hold it against anything he could scrounge up to throw into it this turn.

If there is a good 5N site there, we will be overjoyed. In fact, perhaps we will send you the aforementioned Frost Brands as a token of friendship between our peoples, as that income will more than see to our minimal Nature needs.

Ahhh, that brings something else to mind - perhaps you can forge us some Earth Boots? We would value those quite highly, and welcome any request you might make of us in exchange.

The reults... you took TC territories captured by me at no cost to you, for nothing in return and never did attack TC.

Double talk and double dealing and taking advantage of trust/naivetee... Pot meet Kettle.

Glass houses and stones and all that....

JimMorrison

April 18th, 2009, 08:24 PM

The reults... you took TC territories captured by me at no cost to you, for nothing in return and never did attack TC.

Double talk and double dealing and taking advantage of trust/naivetee... Pot meet Kettle.

Glass houses and stones and all that....

I am pretty sure that I directly implied to you that an actual declaration of war was contingent on pacifying C'tis, something that Zeldor insured was impossible. Multiple times I told him to name his price, giving an open ended offer, and yet he ignored that, so what could I do, attack TC with split forces, not sure of success against either foe? When C'tis made it apparent that he would not accept peace, I finally relented and began to fight him directly - it was all I could do.

Did I take advantage of you, Incabulos? I offered to make gear for your Gorgon. I did want to trade, but I also told you I had plenty of Water, and there were a few useful things I could just send you, if you liked.

Did I intend to attack Zeldor? Certainly, only a fool would not. I grit my teeth as he committed gross acts of war in violation of our NAP, and said nothing. The province in question means little. As far as relations between TC and Caelum go, we took it from a third party, placed minimal PD, and offered no real resistance when TC came to reclaim it. Zeldor then directly violated the NAP again, by attacking a Caelian province that was neutral at the time of NAP, and had never been discussed.

Incabulos

April 18th, 2009, 09:28 PM

Well I walked away with the impression Caelum used me to grab some free provinces while maintaining their NAP with TC. Communication did seem to get strangely quiet and since you didn't ever say "I couln't get peace with Cti's so you are on your own..." I just assumed the worst, which is of course partly my fault for not asking.

But I also see it is part of the game which is why I use the nation titles instead of the player's behind them.

I am just stoking the fire since I am finished :D fleas in ears and all that :angel: .

JimMorrison

April 18th, 2009, 10:12 PM

Well to be fair, it was 1 province, that would have been of direct strategic importance, and that you didn't imagine you'd hold for more than another turn or two anyways. ;)

Honestly, it took so long to wring a final answer out of C'tis (final, meaning a couple of turns of silence, I had to assume he was just ignoring me), that Pan was already half dead. It was about the same turn (can't remember for sure) that I saw TC had airdropped several thugs on you, and I first noticed that someone had finished clearing you out of the caves. Regrettably, that war was all but over, and Caelum was not going to have the chance to contribute to it.

Full disclosure, of the outcomes including going straight to war with TC, or going straight to war with C'tis, or going to war with C'tis and having a buzzard come to pluck my juicy eyes out - I most wanted the first, thought I was stuck with the second, but ended up getting the third. :p

Incabulos

April 18th, 2009, 10:16 PM

Yes I was truly outclassed hehe. But each defeat brings me a little more experience.

Zeldor

April 19th, 2009, 04:20 AM

Didn't you say that C'tis is no match for you and killing him will take just a while? :) Most of your armies were sitting next to me all the time, later in the port city too, without any movement or real attacks on C'tis. You were wasting your armies :)

And well, you decided to take 2 provinces of mine with semi-smart idea to not break NAP in that way. But I think that you should rethinkg that plan for future games. You won't convince anyone that it's not breaking NAP :) You either wanted to attack me directly [but why didn't you really? I had no armies nearby, and was surprised by Pan attack] or tried to get me to attack you and try to blame me for breaking the NAP [which wouldn't be true].

Did you expect me to live that matter like that? You kept my provs for a long time, sucking gem income from them, without saying sorry or offering to repay that gems, so we could live in peace. It was you who wanted war, so you should have been prepared for it.

JimMorrison

April 19th, 2009, 05:34 AM

Didn't you say that C'tis is no match for you and killing him will take just a while? :) Most of your armies were sitting next to me all the time, later in the port city too, without any movement or real attacks on C'tis. You were wasting your armies :)

The "army" sitting at the port city? 80 or so troops with a small handful of mages is a garrison, not an army. It was originally waiting to see what you were doing, before the attrition of war with C'tis made it essentially unthinkable that Caelum could handle both fronts at all. After a couple of Leprosy castings on that province, they weren't worth much anyways. As far as C'tis is concerned, I didn't realize at first that Leprosy was lowered to 5D gems in this incarnation of CBM. This has allowed a never-ending torrent of disease pouring down on my troops in and out of the Miasma. The entire was has been excurciatingly painful, due to these things - and the incredible rate that C'tis is producing Sirrush. He either has a really nice Conj site hidden somewhere, or someone is feeding him Pearls.

And well, you decided to take 2 provinces of mine with semi-smart idea to not break NAP in that way. But I think that you should rethinkg that plan for future games. You won't convince anyone that it's not breaking NAP :)

I took 1 province from Pangaea. I made no attempts to repel your attackers. Most reasonable people would consider that a mistake at best, not a violation of NAP. The other province was independent, and was never mentioned in our messages - you simply decided you wanted it, and claimed it after I defeated the garrison. Something I allowed at the time, because I've seen what it's like to try to negotiate with you when you think (or know) you have the upper hand - it's like talking to a brick wall.

Did you expect me to live that matter like that? You kept my provs for a long time, sucking gem income from them, without saying sorry or offering to repay that gems, so we could live in peace. It was you who wanted war, so you should have been prepared for it.

I kept the -one- province for as long as it took you to send a force capable of breaking 10 Caelum PD, which I had installed before you messaged me.

I just think that if YOU wanted war, you could have been something less of a coward about it, and at least given proper NAP cancellation. I'm sorry that you're afraid to ever engage in a conflict that could possibly slow you down or set you back in the slightest bit. While you were walking totally unhindered through all of the cave garrisons, some of us were fighting in Miasma with 9HP troops.....

archaeolept

April 21st, 2009, 10:25 AM

MA Caelum did go AI, further making this game a pile of s***. I vote for starting a new game - I know, when I had been down to 8 troops and managed to finally have my crippled nation to break siege, Zeldor expended a fair degree of work to find a sub willing to fight to keep me down. Strangely, he does not seem to have found anyone to take Caelum's position. As such, this game demonstrates nothing like an adequate degree of fairness.

There is no way that I personally would count a game win in such a situation as valid.

sorry zeldor. It was a fairly cool idea for a game, and an interesting map, but I would think of it as a beta test.

oh, for anyone interested, midgard lost an earth king and a king of elemental fire this turn :)

DonCorazon

April 21st, 2009, 10:45 AM

I'd like to move on honestly - happy to concede to whoever. Each turn of this game is more painful than the last. Its my own fault for jumping in without checking the settings when Zeldor said he needed someone for LA Pyth on IRC but I had no idea about all these special sites etc til I started getting hit with Troll Kings and Aesimir (sp?).

So if it balances things out, I am happy to go AI :) or find a sub or admit defeat.

Dragar

April 21st, 2009, 10:47 AM

grr... accidental stale, was sure I'd sent it in. Anyways, no big loss, I'm about to die anyways.

This game was a nice idea but I have to say I don't think the map is conducive to a good game, way too much isolation, and map knowledge a definite advantage

archaeolept

April 21st, 2009, 10:48 AM

yeah, happy to go AI myself.

Calahan

April 21st, 2009, 10:54 AM

I've only recently subbed into this one (as Marignon), so I won't be voting either way on any continue/abort decision. Although to me Caelum turning AI certainly seems to be real negative turn of events :(

If the game does continue, then because Marignon has no grudges against anyone, the only logical course of action is to become a proper Dominions whore, and hire my war services out to the highest bidder. I never have been one to just sit on the sidelines :D

oh, for anyone interested, midgard lost an earth king and a king of elemental fire this turn :)

This turn Marignon lost their Pretender.........for a few seconds, then I found him again. That's just about as interesting as things get in the lands of Marigonon :yawn:

Zeldor

April 21st, 2009, 12:04 PM

archaelopept:

Well, I think that more players should speak about it. That is LA Mictlan, Midgard and Arco. I am fine with whatever is voted through, draw too [I'd prefer to continue it, but Caelum turning AI sucks].

I really don't like turning people AI. But he did not ask for a sub, he did not even pick a fight. It's not funny at all. If I knew that he is really going to do it, I'd delay a game and look for a sub [we could try looking for one and rolling back, but I'm not sure if it's the best idea].

Anyway, ask that 3 players to comment here and we will do according to that.

archaeolept

April 21st, 2009, 12:24 PM

yah i have no doubt that his actions are difficult to countenance, but the game is pretty screwed, and I certainly have little pleasure in doing my turns. Even though killing elemental royalty is always fun.

actually, i have a pet king of elemental earth now... gotta get him GoR'ed :)

archaeolept

April 21st, 2009, 12:50 PM

otoh, if me and la pyth were to go AI, it might create an entertaining gold rush for all of the rest of you :)

- at least somewhat balance out just having caelum doing it.

DonCorazon

April 21st, 2009, 01:01 PM

since we are disclosing big name kills, a couple air queens got nixed a turn ago, along with a cyclops. the queens might still be around.

on an unrelated note, I am quite underwhelmed by Foul Vapors. My enemies fight through it like it were nothing more than minor hydra flatulence.

JimMorrison

April 21st, 2009, 02:00 PM

Okay, I've tried to process turns for this game as long as I could, but this is just crap, you'll need to sub out Caelum, or I can place them AI.

I don't think that I could have been more clear. I was not going to submit any more turns. I waited out the timer, and there was no mention of finding a sub, so as stated, I set AI.

My apologies if anyone was too distracted by the proceeding posts to make note of this statement.

<3

DonCorazon

April 21st, 2009, 03:58 PM

I guess I was under the impression that being an experienced MP player, you'd look for a sub yourself. That is usually considered good etiquette though I know all too well that many players bail and leave it to the host to find a sub.

Then again, I don't care that much since I am ready to throw in the towel myself this game. I wouldn't quit though w/o trying to find a sub though as it reflects poorly. Personally, I remember how players act in MP games and would not want to host a game with those that abandon games w/o looking for subs themselves.

Just my dos centavos.

statttis

April 21st, 2009, 04:25 PM

I vote for continue, at least until my Tartarian army sees some action :p

JimMorrison

April 21st, 2009, 04:36 PM

It's not even a subbable position, that's the problem. What would I post? "Much of your forces are occupied in MA C'tis lands, and are completely diseased, the front runner has just broken NAP and is using Horrors and teleported thugs to trash your interior, this position is a great chance to waste your time!".

I am sure that if I honestly represented the position, I'd get tons of response.

And your comments of reliability make sense in general, but as with all things, you have to look for patterns, not outstanding occurrences. I am under a lot of stress right now, and wasting more time and effort on a game that went entirely in the map creator's favor very early on, and is all but over. I've seen people go AI with more capacity to impact the outcome of the game, and no one *****ed at them. <3

Zeldor

April 21st, 2009, 04:57 PM

Horror? Where?

DonCorazon

April 21st, 2009, 05:17 PM

Well you said "you need to sub out Caelum" so I assumed your position was subbable. I didn't realize your nation was in ruins and based on the comments of others around you, it sounded like Caelum going AI was going to seriously impact the game.

Anyway, I b**** at most people that go AI while they have some fight left in them, especially if it impacts a game that a lot of people have invested time in.

But in this case, I am not in a position to judge the impact of Caelum going AI since i have no scouts in your lands. And I am actually biased to end this game since it does feel like being a rat in Zeldor's maze :)

JimMorrison

April 21st, 2009, 05:53 PM

Well you said "you need to sub out Caelum" so I assumed your position was subbable. I didn't realize your nation was in ruins and based on the comments of others around you, it sounded like Caelum going AI was going to seriously impact the game.

I said sub it out or I go AI. I felt that was more polite than just outright saying "I am going AI". :p The option was not taken, so the latter occurred.

As it stood, I was grinding C'tis down, and despite the ruination of wave after wave of brave Caelians (from Disease), I would eventually be the victor. Had it been a 1v1 against C'tis, I am certain he would have won at this point, but I would have stayed for the thrill of the battle. As it was, getting stabbed in the kidneys by the top dog while my nation is anemic from attrition was a sign of the quick and certain doom of the nation. Just to reiterate for the millionth time - had it been anything even remotely resembling a fighting chance, I'd have put in the time, I just don't have time for this.

JimMorrison

April 21st, 2009, 06:38 PM

Had it been a 1v1 against T'ien Ch'i

Freudian. 8 \

Oh and to clarify, it's not like I'm out of this game so I can join another one ASAP, and maybe abandon it if I get pissed off. I'm pissed off because of my current time constraints, which aren't allowing me to keep up at all, and I'm just shedding games at this point, and will probably take a break from MP for awhile once I get disentangled.

Reay

April 22nd, 2009, 06:01 AM

I was surprised when I took over one of the gateway provinces and found I could recruit not only Troll Mages, but also Circle Masters. These are very powerful units and we all should have known about this before the game started. Midgard and TC seem to have benefited a lot from these provinces with Troll Mage thug's rampaging around.

I always play to the bitter end in my games, having never gone AI. MA Caelum going AI right now is quite unbalancing to this game. However, I have been having fun so I would be disappointed if it stopped.

Wokeye

April 22nd, 2009, 07:19 AM

I say if JM really needs to exit the game due to RL reasons then so be it, AI it up if a sub cant be found (by JM) ASAP. Sounds like he fighting a losing battle anyway so I can't really see how it would unbalance the game. MIght even distract my besiegers for a few turns ;)

In other news, I hate Leprosy almost as much as I hate golem thugs.

Reay

April 22nd, 2009, 08:06 AM

Hmm perhaps not unbalance the game, but at least it gives TC more of an advantage. He has already gone AI and I wasn't prepared for it at all.

BTW I can't believe Leprosy is only 5 gems in CBM. Hopefully QM makes it cost more in the next version. Just the micromanagement stress alone is worth 10 gems :).

Zeldor

April 23rd, 2009, 01:07 PM

I have added 24h to the timer. I'd like statttis and homer to say smth about archaes words.

And archae and doncorazon should seek the sub actively, I don't call it active with no thread created with announcement. I can do it as a game admin, but it should be rather you doing it.

JimMorrison:
Huh, it's not first time you go AI without losing anything really. Hard to learn anything that way. Maybe it's the reason why others are bigger than you and you lose over and over again? You wanted to fight with me here. You provoked me. So why did you wait? You should have attacked me then. You'd either win or lose. But what did you expect? That I will really forget that? You made nothing to prepare for inevitable.

JimMorrison

April 23rd, 2009, 03:06 PM

JimMorrison:
Huh, it's not first time you go AI without losing anything really. Hard to learn anything that way.

You pulled the same thing in HumanWar, and I was starting to have less time for Dominions already - your gross manipulation of a new player, and opportunistic vulturing ensured that was the first to get cut (was in a LOT of games). Due to an error with a gem carrying scout, I had been unable to get Rain cast in the battle the turn before - my army was in ruins. I had to move all reinforcements forward, or lose that front. But oh wait, you had reduced my net income to 100 by cleaning me out of the water already. Lost nothing? I had lost the game.

You wanted to fight with me here. You provoked me. So why did you wait? You should have attacked me then.

Don't even pretend that you didn't talk to C'tis. I waited, because just when I was about to launch forces at you, he declared war. It took several turns to convince him to back off, and then what? The next turn he tells me he'll just have to go to war with me anyway, and then refuses to continue dialogue. And again, you postured for some time before attacking. If you had just attacked me, It would have been more sporting. But you had to wait for me to lose ~50 mages and have another 50 diseased in C'tis territory before attacking. Bravo.

Maybe if you weren't afraid to have a remotely fair fight, I would be more happy to spend my diminishing Dominions time "learning" from you.

Zeldor

April 23rd, 2009, 05:09 PM

Of course that I attacked you in HumanWar because you seemed to be the easiest target. It was obvious choice - you had water provinces near me, with high pop, inside my dominion, linking to many other provs. And you had no army to defend them. And we had no NAP. And you attacked my ally. I conquered all your provs because you let me do so. It's strange that no one else decided to do the same thing earlier.

Generally there is one rule about wars in Dominions - "when you get into fair fight, it means you did something wrong".

You wanted to fight with me here in Madness. You made the first move, you took one prov with important magic site. You put big armies near my borders. And now you blame me for not attacking you? I was not ready to handle Pan attack in that time, and you parked huge army with your pretender in my lands. And of course that I talked with C'tis. He'd gain nothing from you killing me, he'd be just next target. But here he had chance to reclaim his lands, or at least do something. And of course that I waited for a good moment to attack you - moment when I'd no longer have to worry about Pan and have spells researched to deal with your big armies. I thought that there is no military activity with C'tis though, I had no scouts there and score graphs for provs were pretty much even. At least I know what you had all that unforted temples for :)

DonCorazon

April 23rd, 2009, 05:59 PM

I'll fight to the death if the game is still on. Again, I didn't know how much JM going AI really messed things up so wasn't sure if we were continuing. If me going AI helps balance things, I could do that instead.

Calahan

April 23rd, 2009, 06:15 PM

If me going AI helps balance things, I could do that instead.

Or Marignon could declare war on T'ien Ch'i. That would help balance things I think (lose one human opponent, but gain another). And it would give my troops something to do besides sock darning.

JimMorrison

April 23rd, 2009, 06:56 PM

Can't believe I'm even bothering to argue with you.....

...because you seemed to be the easiest target..."when you get into fair fight, it means you did something wrong"...

I don't understand why people don't get off their asses and attack you more often. They just let you pacify them with whatever makes them happy to lose the game, while you take the path of least resistance to victory.

You wanted to fight with me here in Madness. You made the first move, you took one prov with important magic site. You put big armies near my borders.

Yes, I wanted the war. I took that province from Pangaea, I did not attempt to stop you from retaking it. I had -one- army with my pretender, parked at a lab, 2 provinces from the border - it had about 80 troops. The other castle was my staging point for forces entering C'tis, units funneling there moved out on a continual basis.

and you parked huge army with your pretender in my lands.

80 units and a dozen mages 2 provinces from the border, is what?

And of course that I talked with C'tis. He'd gain nothing from you killing me, he'd be just next target. But here he had chance to reclaim his lands, or at least do something.

Do what? Have a nice cozy border with the person who is winning the game? Who maybe will let poor little C'tis just wallow and choke in his own Miasma, wasting his time submitting turns until the rest of the game concedes to you?

And of course that I waited for a good moment to attack you - moment when I'd no longer have to worry about Pan and have spells researched to deal with your big armies. I thought that there is no military activity with C'tis though, I had no scouts there and score graphs for provs were pretty much even. At least I know what you had all that unforted temples for :)

We were juggling provinces a lot, and I was losing incredible amounts of units. He had a seemingly neverending flow of Sirrush with W9 bless, and large groups of Marshmasters + Poison Slingers moving about. Too much to allow me to split forces safely - plus efficiency is out the door when you are dealing with Disease + AOE Poison.

Good job with your scouts though, if you want to keep making it sound like there wasn't a terrible war going on between C'tis and I, I can happily post the last dozen or so turns.

statttis

April 23rd, 2009, 08:02 PM

I'm not going to get into who started what, but I will say that JM going AI won't affect the game. He was pretty much done for at that point.

Reay

April 23rd, 2009, 08:21 PM

I am still playing this game for sure. I was overestimating the impact Caelum going AI is going to have on this game. I was not prepared for it but I will be able to handle it from now on.

Midgard and TC are much more powerful than any of the rest currently.
This doesn't mean its not fun playing the game. I find that Dominions is most fun defending your lands anyway.

Even then if TC and Midgard decide that the game is not worth playing anymore than its pretty much useless continuing. Due to the amount of time I put into this game I wouldn't want to stop right now.

Evilhomer

April 24th, 2009, 05:35 AM

Calahan

April 24th, 2009, 06:42 AM

my skinshifters backed up by mass flight + army of lead/gold + rush of strenght + mass flight is causing some problems for pyth/aby.

Wow, two lots of Mass Flight! Bet they are all flying aces after that :)

DonCorazon

April 24th, 2009, 10:11 AM

Well I am happy to continue. I belive TC will win since none contests him but I am still enjoying the game. My royalties have had little success but atleast my skinshifters backed up by mass flight + army of lead/gold + rush of strenght + mass flight is causing some problems for pyth/aby.

Zeldor's neighbors should be attacking him at this point given their lead. If they aren't we agree TC has won.

And the main challenge Pyth has is Army of Lead (I waited to cast Master Enslave, hoping to benefit from your Fog Warriors Homer, but forgot the Troll Kings make Army of Lead so easy - one reason why I am annoyed with this map).

Wokeye

April 24th, 2009, 07:11 PM

I fight for the freedon of Bogaris' lands from eeebil Mictlan oppression.

DonCorazon

April 28th, 2009, 10:31 AM

Frikken troll kings...

Zeldor

April 28th, 2009, 02:05 PM

BTw, I have postponed hosting by 12h, as 15 minutes before deadline there were still 5 people that didn't submit their turns. I am not going to do it again though, 72h should be more than enough to do your turns.

archaeolept

April 28th, 2009, 03:33 PM

everyone except arcos had their turns in on time (maybe LA pyth was a few minutes late, but only because he could) ... i was a bit peeved as I had been hurrying to get the turn done :p

DonCorazon

April 28th, 2009, 03:42 PM

72 hours is fine. gives me 71.5 hours to work up the energy to do my turn. :)

and yeah, i was ready to submit when i saw the clock get extended. i pretty much submitted it on time anyway but i don't think you need to add time in situations like that - it just increases the desire to procrastinate.

Zeldor

April 28th, 2009, 03:50 PM

I didn't want to demotivate and demoralize people with 5 sudden stales. It looked really bad when I saw that :) But yeah, one time only.

AI Caelum is not giving up. Recently my Golems tend to die way too often and way too early. It's not like in old good times...

Reay

April 29th, 2009, 07:19 AM

Yeah, I have been somewhat impressed by the AI Caelum armies. It might keep some of the commands in memory from the human player?

Evilhomer

April 30th, 2009, 06:40 AM

I thought I would have time to play this game once my work rotation ended and my 5 week vaccation started. Unfortunary beeing on travelling foot it has been more of a chore, so I will be steeping out of this game.

Zeldor

April 30th, 2009, 07:32 AM

Evilhomer:

That's some bad news. Can you find a sub? OR play till we find one?

But if not, and adding Mictlan's and Pythium's stance, we may have to call the game a draw and finish it now.

Reay

May 2nd, 2009, 09:22 AM

This game has again been delayed another 24 hours? Are any of the last 4 going to do their turns?

Calahan

May 2nd, 2009, 09:51 AM

Maybe everyone is waiting on some sort of firm decision or vote as to whether or not this game is worth continuing now that Evilhomer has dropped out / is dropping out.

Marignon turns only takes about 10 mintues (right now), so I don't mind continuing to do them, and if the game is called off then it's no great loss of my time. But can't imagine I'd feel the same if my turns were taking several hours, and knew that it all might be a huge waste of time and effort since the game could suddenly stop at any moment.

Personally T'ien Ch'i losing their only real challenger means end of game IMO. But not sure if the result is a win, draw, or simply null and void.

DonCorazon

May 2nd, 2009, 09:55 AM

Can you find a sub? OR play till we find one?

But if not, and adding Mictlan's and Pythium's stance, we may have to call the game a draw and finish it now.

@ Reay: I was waiting to see what we were doing b/c it doesn't seem anyone has looked for a sub for Midgard and Zeldor implied the game might be called a draw or finished if we don't find someone.

So what are we doing? I can go ahead and submit a turn that has me attacking a player that has apparently abandoned his position and has neither a sub or been turned AI. Pretty lame though.

Zeldor

May 2nd, 2009, 10:54 AM

We can either:

- try to find a sub for Midgard, I hoped to get some answer from homer, but nothing [that was the cause for delays]
- turn him AI, which means Pythium and Mictlan divide his lands

Hard to say what to do, I'd personally want to fight and try to win, but if most people will feel not happy continuing and force themselves to do their turns, then we can call it a draw. I will make a thread for a sub though.

archaeolept

May 2nd, 2009, 12:37 PM

I vote for a draw, but I know some people are having fun (reay and wokeye are having a nice little war i believe). Taking out AI midgard will still be more of a chore than taking out AI caelum; territories would be divided between 2 players so end result would be much like caelum having gone. That being said, I don't think any win in this game counts for much ;)

DonCorazon

May 2nd, 2009, 01:47 PM

My two issues in this game are:

1) the map and the fact the sites weren't made clear in the first post and how unbalancing they are even had they been announced, and

2) key players going AI or vanishing (Caelum and more importantly now, Midgard) though this might be remedied if we found a sub.

I think the map is going to lead to a very tedious endgame so my vote would be to call this game now. But if people are having fun, I am happy to play on.

Wokeye

May 2nd, 2009, 06:58 PM

While I am having fun playing around with end game Bogaris, I'll have no worries with calling it a draw - Reay has well and truly got me beaten. Either way, I'm OK with it.

Reay

May 2nd, 2009, 10:40 PM

I am having fun with this game right now for sure.

However..

The map, whilst being interesting and different, is quite unbalanced in some ways. I think some of the recruitables on some of the provinces are just too powerful and make paths available to all nations which make strategies a bit more generic.

Having Caelum go AI just means splitting the provinces between Arco, TC and my nation which wouldn't have changed the outcome of this game. Seems like the AI is pretty good controlling large armies anyway.

Having Midgard go AI would make this game a bit of a farce in terms of finding a "real" winner. If we found a sub it still leaves a few others feeling like the winner wouldn't be a "real" winner.

My son is going to be born in about a week so I can not guarantee I will have enough time to play the game. Therefore, it would not be fair to make you guys continue to play.

It seems like a waste right now for all the effort I put in, but oh well there is always a new game. ( maybe for me too ;) )

I vote for a draw. I am still interested in the next turn so can we at least let it host? ;)