Wombat - LA team game. Game on.

[ano]

I feel ready to start a new team game and I welcome anyone who wants to join.
Game link (http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=Wombat)

Settings:
Era - late
Map - Alexander (http://forum.shrapnelgames.com//attachment.php?attachmentid=5900&d=1199233709) by PashaDawg, fixed positions and few other modifications for this game. If you already have the graphic file of this map then you don't need to download anything. Map file is attached, however. You may test your pretender\scales in real conditions
Mods - Worthy Heroes 1.8 (http://forum.shrapnelgames.com//attachment.php?attachmentid=5714&d=1193952379)
Players - 18
Sites - 50%
Renaming - on
HoF - 15
Indies - 6
Rest - standard
Host - Llamaserver. Please read the FAQ (http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?t=35160) if you don't know how to use it
Schedule - 24h until turn 18, then it will be negotiable. Delays on requests, of course.

Teams, nations and players. Blue numbers in brackets are starting provinces for the nations.
Agartha (Quitti, 18) - Patala (Juffos, 11)
Pangaea (statttis, 135) - Abysia (Trumanator, 92)
Mictlan (veto, 23) - Jomon (don_Pablo, 241)
R'lyeh (Unoptimized, 281) - Man (AreaOfEffect, 283)
Caelum (AdmiralZhao, 81) - Pythium (seej, 130)
C'tis (ano, 212) - Ulm (karnoza, 203)
Marignon (Evilhomer, 96) - Atlantis (Baalz, 188)
Tien Ch'i (Kortek, 144) - Utgard (Revolution, 53)
Gath (klagrok , 217) - Midgard (Cadel, 118)

Please, PM me if you your nation is stated wrongly and you're going to control another nation in a team

Some more notes:
- the more experienced you are the better however though Ermor and R'lyeh are not banned they are not allowed to veteran players.
- to be competitive you should find a reliable partner who won't let you down in the most critical moment. You should build up some team strategy based on your races and their weak/strong points.
- pacts and NAP's are supposed to be honored
- partners may watch turns of each other and may substitute each other if there's a need

[Revolution]

Alright, Myself and Kortek will be on a team and claim Tien Ch'i and Utgard. Undecided who will play what.

...no agartha?

[ano]

Hello. Nice to meet you again. I played no game without meeting you - that's a good tradition! .. Probably, I'm mistaken. There was one.
I forgot Agartha? Oops...

[Trumanator]

I'd like to give it a shot. Preferably as Marignon, but I will go with anything except Ermor and Ry'leh as long as I can get a good teamate who can teach me a lot. :)

[ano]

Trumanator, glad to see you in. Ask people you know - probably they'll agree to build a team with you.

[GrudgeBringer]

I'd like to give it a shot but I am not that familiar with LA,

If you have a spot with a vet that would like to teach a quick learner a thing or two I would love to learn AND be a good pupil... Regardless of anything else I can promise, I will be there till the end, I have no quit in me.

If you don't have a spot that fits, NP I can always wait till the next one.:up:

[Trumanator]

Unfortunately I don't really feel like I know very many good players who aren't already involved in a few games.

[don_Pablo]

hi,
sign me and Veto as a team Mictlan - Jomon

[statttis]

Hi, I'm about to be eliminated from Rothfuss and so I can fit another game in my schedule. I'd like to be Midgard but I'm not picky. I wouldn't mind being paired with another noob - the best way to learn is with a challenge :)

[Cadel]

I'm a beginner, but I'd love to play. I've played 1 MP game before so I obviously am pretty new. I'll take anyone as a teammate and play whatever team is left, but I'd rather play w/ someone who has a bit of experience :). Anyways, thanks ahead of time.

[AreaOfEffect]

Hello, I think I will sign up. I'd like to give the Ry'leh and Man combo one more try. Me playing as Man of course. I've secured Unoptimized as a partner as well. This should be his first time playing Ry'leh in MP.

I have hopes that this will be loads of fun.

[JimMorrison]

Hello, I think I will sign up.

And I think, "sweet, I should ask AoE if he wants to team up!", then I read the rest of the post. :p

I'm probably in plenty of other games already, but I'll watch to see if it fills up fast or not before deciding now. ;)

[Evilhomer]

Well team games are fun, count me in. I probably fall under the veteran category by now. I would either like to play:

- Ermor (which I am newb with, never played them in MP or SP)
or
- Marignon (which I am comfortable with and would like another try with)

However I am willing to play any team, its not a big deal what nation I get. Searching for an allie willing to play, if you are new or experienced, either is fine with me.

[ano]

Hello, everybody. Nice to see you in. I put all people without a team to the waitlist because you can't choose a team unless you have a teammate.

I'd like also to indicate that team game is generally harder and more time consuming than regular MP. If you want to be successful, you need to think of more things than usually and you need to have a game plan involving both nations and pretender designs.

p.s. Also, someone may be counted as newbie only if he didn't win a single MP game AND he thinks he is a newbie.

[ano]

Will anyone mind indies strength 6? Frankly speaking, I just forgot about it.

[Quitti]

Me and Juffos would like to take Agartha and Patala. Gonna be deciding which takes which a bit later.

edit: indep 6 is fine for us.

[Baalz]

- Marignon (which I am comfortable with and would like another try with)


I was wanting to give LA Atlantis another swing, wanna team up EH?

[Evilhomer]

Sure baalz, Fire and ice it is then. Ano sign me and baalz up for Marignon/atlantis combo

[Trumanator]

O Lord, this will be scary.

[AreaOfEffect]

Some time in the future Jim. I promise.

[statttis]

Sign me and Trumanator up for Pangaea-Abyssia.

[ano]

Done.
Only 3 teams are still available and all are quite powerful.
And as we are in late era and are going to play on Alexander, we would probably like 18 nations more than 20 to avoid total overcrowding.

[P3D]

I'd like to sign in as a complete noob.

[Trumanator]

Lol, we'll end up with 3-4 vet teams smashing away while 3 noob teams buzz around as satellites.

[ano]

I'd like to sign in as a complete noob.
If you're a complete noob better don't sign up here. Team game is not a good place to learn, believe me.

[ano]

Lol, we'll end up with 3-4 vet teams smashing away while 3 noob teams buzz around as satellites.
I hope it won't be so. I don't know all people who signed up here but I know for sure that at least some of them are noobs in no case:)

[GrudgeBringer]

I think i would be more of a hinderance that a help....I will wait till the next one...Good luck all!!

[ano]

Most probably we will finish signups today-tomorrow and after that I'll prepare the map. AdmiralZhao told me he will definitely take part when he finds a teammate so we currently don't lack anyone (8 teams seems enough to me)

[ano]

Cadel, Jim, are you going to play?

[Juffos]

I would prefer Worthy Heroes on, because Patala doesn't seem to have any national heroes without it.

[ano]

Any objections?

[klagrok]

Ano Id like to join---and use worthy heroes. Jim, are you in????

[ano]

Welcome, klagrok)
Glad to see you again.

[Trumanator]

WH is excellent.

[Quitti]

I'd prefer WH on too, makes it more interesting for those nations without any.

[ano]

Well, then WH is decided.

[Cadel]

yeah i'll play

[ano]

The problem is that there're two team slots left and 3 players wanting to join. 20 players for Alexander is a bit too much and I already prepared the map for 18 players\9 teams. So you probably should team up with klagrok or AdmiralZhao.

[JimMorrison]

Just thought I should pop in again (you coulda PMed me :p) - I'm in 10 games atm, and trying to slim that down a bit..... If this was CBM you'd probably still tempt me, but you've sold it as a vanilla game, so I don't want you to keep hoping I will join it. <3

[klagrok]

Ano, sign me up as Gath---AdmiralZhao or Cadel, I can play Midgard as well. First one to respond is the winner :)

[ano]

Good)
Have you got a teammate? Maybe you'll team up with Cadel who's also searching for one?

[klagrok]

Which ever one posts here first. Probably wont be able to check much longer as getting ready for SuperBowl. So if you see one post here, sign us up together. I prefer the moderate seperation scenario.

[ano]

Ok, then I put you and Cadel together as Arco-Bogarus.
As for moderate positioning, it's a bit late because no one showed any interest in this setting before and I already prepared a map. I spent plenty of time to make it and I'm not going to remake unless someone has strong objections.

[klagrok]

Ano, Gath and Midgard if you please--think you might have read my first choice before I edited it 5 minutes later....hopefully not too late.

[ano]

Heh... I already uploaded the map to llamaserver)))
Seems like I'll have to upload another version. Ok, I think I'll ask llamabeast to remove old version (and maybe both because I can hardly imagine how someone can use them) a bit later.
I couldn't create game, btw. Seems like llamserver feels sick.

[ano]

The game has been created at last. See link in the first post. Starting provinces for each nation can also be found. Some other minor modifications to the map include:
- provinces 19 and 25 changed from waste to farmland because people who start in these regions often have very little money due to endless wastelands
- province 207 given "Great Iron Mine" site to compensate Atlantis' poor resource starting loc (it has 3 land and 3 water neighbours).

Also, those who didn't tell which nation they are going to play for, please do it

[klagrok]

Ano, I have multiple Alexander maps, but when I try to download this one, get an error.

[ano]

Graphic file is untouched and you don't need to download any other than we used in Qwerty. All I changed is .map file which you don't need at all because it is stored at llamaserver. If you still need it, you may download it from llamserver map repository (it doesn't work atm)
Which error did you get? It works fine - I just tried it. I changed link in the first post to direct .zip file link.

[Revolution]

I will be playing Utgard and Kortek will be playing Tien Chi

[Quitti]

Quitti - Agartha
Juffos - Patala

[ano]

AdmiralZhao is facing hard times looking for a reliable partner. Hope he will find one because we can't start with less than 9 teams due to predefined locs.
I attached the .map file to the first post so that you could download it and test your pretender\scales in real conditions.

[Revolution]

I recommend adding "need one more player" to the thread title.

[ano]

There's no need in that. He's asking his friends now and if he doesn't succeed he will start controlling both nations and will continue searching.
So we may start once everyone has his pretender uploaded.
However, we need team selection from Zhao (and maybe his teammate)

[seej]

I will join Admiral Zhao! I am his friend!

[ano]

AdmiralZhao and seej take Caelum-Pythium, so we are full at last.
Guys, upload your gods (11 left) and let's start

[Revolution]

AdmiralZhao and seej take Caelum-Pythium, so we are full at last.
Guys, upload your gods (11 left) and let's start

Pretender submitted. Lets hope I fare a bit better against you than I have in the past.

[ano]

We are currently waiting only for Caelum, Pythium and Marignon.

[Evilhomer]

Marignon is up

[AdmiralZhao]

10 more minutes and we will have pretenders in.

[ano]

Game started. Good luck, everybody.

[ano]

AdmiralZhao, who of you is playing which nation?

[Unoptimized]

Good luck everyone! I'm looking foward to spreading sweet delicious truth to you all.

[ano]

You better spread it to your ally. He'll enjoy it;)

[AdmiralZhao]

We are going to trade off every few turns to keep our opponent's guessing.

[klagrok]

???? Why the massive turn delay???

[ano]

Because we have 18 players and each one appears at different time. I guess so.

[Unoptimized]

Hrm, so far this game has been excellent. High Indi strength can make things...complicated. At any rate, would you guys mind delaying the game untill sunday? I will be out of town.

[ano]

Ok. How much time exactly do you need?
Llamaserver understands hours only ;)

Also, do you want current or next turn postponed?

[Quitti]

I'd like a 36 hour delay, PM'ed ano the reason why.

[ano]

I replied to your PM. Hope you'll be able to finish your turn in 24h I'm adding now:).

[AreaOfEffect]

Unoptimized wasn't going to make it in time for the current deadline. However, he had the power of the internet and so we resolved it.

He sent me his files and I did up his turn and sent them back. We are all good to go here at team crazy tin cans.

[ano]

Anyway, most probably we'll have another 12h extension as requested by Quitti above.

[Kortek]

I have pm'd all who are in need. Just to let everyone know I requested a 12h extension while I try to overcome so computer issues.

- Kortek

[ano]

Hello. You're lucky indeed that it's Saturday and I'm not asleep yet. No problem, of course but it's night now in Europe and I may not be able to fulfill your request if you for ask this late next time.
Good luck with your computer!

[Kortek]

Much obliged Ano. Most of the problems are dealt with. Thank-god for time machine (tm).

[ano]

Our team requests 18h delay now and permanent switching to 48h schedule int the next few turns.

[AdmiralZhao]

Would it be possible to have another delay? My teammate needs an 8 hour extension in order to complete his turn.

[ano]

Zhao, I broke our NAP3 on turn 15, the turn after I noticed that you grabbed everything we were fighting for. And not only you ignored our previous treaties after that but now it is turn 18 and our lands are covered with your troops meaning you attacked on turn 17. I'm pretty sure I could beat you off but it is not a matter of discussion now. First post in the thread said that NAPs were to be honored but of course I couldn't force you, could I? Now I'll try to stay aside of any game you are in just not to run into all this filth again. I don't like public discussions, I just make conclusions.
Most probably, we would lose this war in the end (who knows, however) but I have no wish to continue this circus, sorry. Probably, I am too weak to see how all my plans are vanquished because someone violates NAPs.
Good to luck to everyone and especially to Zhao with his Machiavellian policy.

p.s. Someone who will be an admin, please contact me.

[Revolution]

Zhao, I broke our NAP3 on turn 15, the turn after I noticed that you grabbed everything we were fighting for. And not only you ignored our previous treaties after that but now it is turn 18 and our lands are covered with your troops meaning you attacked on turn 17. I'm pretty sure I could beat you off but it is not a matter of discussion now. First post in the thread said that NAPs were to be honored but of course I couldn't force you, could I? Now I'll try to stay aside of any game you are in just not to run into all this filth again. I don't like public discussions, I just make conclusions.
Most probably, we would lose this war in the end (who knows, however) but I have no wish to continue this circus, sorry. Probably, I am too weak to see how all my plans are vanquished because someone violates NAPs.
Good to luck to everyone and especially to Zhao with his Machiavellian policy.

p.s. Someone who will be an admin, please contact me.


I hope you reconsider quitting Ano, it might have been an honest mistake on Zhao's part... I know I've accidentally attacked too early after giving warning on a NAP

[ano]

Taking on account some of his previous deeds I strongly doubt it was a mistake. I gave a precondition (ultimatum) under which I would break the NAP, Zhao ignored and a turn after it I said our NAP is broken. It was turn 15. Zhao attacked on turn 17 and he may say, of course, that he thought something or anything else - I don't care. This turn I had 3 my provinces including capital overwhelmed by caelian forces, my ally Ulm was also attacked. But I may tell you for sure that I would easily beat the force he sent to my capital if it was next turn when I planned to set my chariots and mages to patrol. I expected air attack it but not this early.
Also, I understand that it is too late but I am almost sure that if it was not this way, I could beat all his huge mammoth army because I would have 12 mages able to skellspam, rage and terror, about 100 chariots, horde of archers and poison slingers and 3 smiters. Most probably, even now I am able to beat him but I don't want to check.
Enough said. Our decision is final because this game is no more a pleasure for us. I don't want to publicly blame Zhao - it was his choice. I just made my conclusions and you may or may not make yours.

[Trumanator]

It seems a little ridiculous to just throw in the towel like that. Look at me, my ally got dom-killed by them around turn 5, and I'm still trundling along.

[ano]

It is your choice while mine is above. I always play to win. If I can't win, I concede. It happens quite rare, though.

[AdmiralZhao]

Ahh, NAP arguments. Nothing more enjoyable than a good old fashioned NAP argument.

Here is what things look like from the other side of the front. On turn 14, Ano said that if we took any of Mictlan or Jomon's territory, or any of the independents near them, that our NAP would be automatically canceled. On that same turn I told them that we couldn't agree to those demands and that we were going to attack those provinces. I thought we were at war after that. However, even if you go from Ano's declaration of war, there is still a school of thought which say that 18 - 15 = 3. I am partial to that school of thought.

One thing I will agree with Ano about is that the war is far from over, especially as no one has yet suffered any real casualties. I was actually hoping to meet some resistance at his capital while my PoD still has the bonuses from his own dominion.

Additionally, I would note that I was actually attacked without warning on turn 17 by Gath (breaking the NAP3 we had with his team), so in Karmic terms I believe I am still ahead for this game. :)

[Unoptimized]

You breathers and your politics...Come join us in the dreaming of forever.

(Sad to see you go Ano, thanks for setting up a cool game)

[Revolution]

I have taken over adminship of this game, feel free to PM me or post in this thread if you need a pause or have an issue.

[AreaOfEffect]

Issue: I hate cute kittens.

[Revolution]

Issue: I hate cute kittens.

I will dispatch a herd of kitten eating dogs at once!

http://i.thefairest.info/funniest_thumbs/t73SPR.jpeg

[Evilhomer]

Going away on friday, will be back on monday. During this time I can not make any turns (I however made my turn before going so its oki if you let this turn host)

[AreaOfEffect]

I will dispatch a herd of kitten eating dogs at once!

I approve, you'll make a great admin.

[Revolution]

Tien Chi has asked for an 8 hour extention (and as hosting draws near there are a handful of people who have yet to submit). Hosting delayed.

[Trumanator]

Well, TC is pretty much owning me up with no regard for anything I have. I'm thinking about setting myself to AI, since my strategy was very flawed and I don't think I can do much of anything.

[Revolution]

Well, TC is pretty much owning me up with no regard for anything I have. I'm thinking about setting myself to AI, since my strategy was very flawed and I don't think I can do much of anything.

It's unfortunate that your team was never able to get off the ground with the quick death of your ally. Thanks for sticking around and playing it out after he was gone.

[Revolution]

Now that we are past turn 20 I have set the hosting to 48hrs . Also I have changed the reminder email to 8 hours from 4, a 4 hour reminder is not much help if your sleeping or at work when it comes, 8 hours gives a little more leeway.

Hosting will also be delayed until Monday as per marignons request - sorry about your stale Homer, I kind of missed/forgot about your comment about going away for the weekend.

[Unoptimized]

Hey guys, I have to run and do graduate school interviews, I'll be back in a week. Feel free to make me AI :)

[Revolution]

Hey guys, I have to run and do graduate school interviews, I'll be back in a week. Feel free to make me AI :)

Atlantis has you beat?

[Revolution]

unless someone objects I will be setting R'lyeh ai before the next host as per unoptimized's request rather than asking someone to sub into a losing position.

[Baalz]

Yeah, I wouldn't ask anybody to sub that position, I think I've pretty much got him by the throat. Was looking for one more good fight at his capital though if you found somebody interested in just subbing for one or two fun fights. I wouldn't worry about pounding the pavement though unless anybody happens by that's interested.

[AreaOfEffect]

I'll cover for him. What are old partners for.

[Revolution]

Posting is being postponed for Juffos on the assumption he will be back after this tuesday...if I misunderstood and he meant the tuesday after that...then we will try to get that subbed by his partner. For now I'll run on the assumption that he needs an easter break, which is something we can all take a break for an enjoy.

[AdmiralZhao]

I was thinking about summoning a King of Elemental Fire this turn. What do you think? Does anyone know if they've already been summoned?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BnJUWwSx1kE

[Revolution]

Game hosting is gonna be delayed a bit and marignon will be taken over by baalz until we hear from homer...he seems to have disappeared and staling twice in a row is less than ideal.

[Baalz]

Marignon has summoned 8 kings of elemental fire, so I wouldn't try, you're just wasting your gems.

[Evilhomer]

I thought I would have time to play this game once my work rotation ended and my 5 week vaccation started. Unfortunary beeing on travelling foot it has been more of a chore, so I will be steeping out of this game. My apologies to my team partner.

[Revolution]

Marignon is being taken over by unoptimized

[Unoptimized]

High Inquisitor Pious of Marignon went into his private chambers. The prisoners were driven to heights of rage. Assassins were in place to kill those admirals who stood against him. Those loyal to him were ready, and soon command would be his. It was a beautiful plan, but not his.
He sat heavily in his chair, head in his hands, as ghostly figures gathered round him, whispering madness. They spoke of revenge, whispered of dreams.

[AdmiralZhao]

Pious, your insane plan will never succeed. Caelum will put an end to your unholy magics and demon summoning. Look to Ulm, Abysia, and Pangea if you wish to know what your fate is.

...

Unless of course we are stopped by the treacherous attacks of Tien Chi. We should have known better than to trust a NAP made with those barbarian foreigners.

[Revolution]

...

Unless of course we are stopped by the treacherous attacks of Tien Chi. We should have known better than to trust a NAP made with those barbarian foreigners.

I gave warning on our teams NAP 3 turns ago...mind you I only sent warning to caelum as far as I remember though I thought that would do. ...wait you are caelum... I did send you warning on our teams NAP three turns ago right?

[AdmiralZhao]

No, Seej and I haven't received any messages from you or Kortek. Though I understand your uncertainty; I've been wondering whether I accidentally sent my declaration of war to Tien Chi rather than to Atlantis & Marignon. Did you save your outgoing declaration of war?

[AdmiralZhao]

If you want to make it up, perhaps one of you could go AI? Seej and I fight best against AI opponents. :)

[Revolution]

No, Seej and I haven't received any messages from you or Kortek. Though I understand your uncertainty; I've been wondering whether I accidentally sent my declaration of war to Tien Chi rather than to Atlantis & Marignon. Did you save your outgoing declaration of war?

It wasn't through the forums...I sent it in game through the message system (or thought I did) and even though you guys were quiet about it I figured it must have been received since caelum troops started building up on my borders...look at my handy notepad reminder!

"warning given to caelum turn 47
47 48 49
strike for turn 50"

So yeah...if you did not get an in game message on turn 47 then I'm sorry. I'm not going to do anything about it...but I am very sorry because I told Tien that I had given that warning for out team and he was good to go. I do ask that you recheck your turn 47 though...

[seej]

I just checked my turn 47. No message was received on that turn.

[AdmiralZhao]

Ok, I'll double check when I get home.

[AreaOfEffect]

Did you send the message in your turn 46 or your turn 47? Keep in mind that the message will be received on turn 47 or 48 respectively.

[AdmiralZhao]

Ok, I checked turns 46-49 and no declarations of war (except for Jomon's).

[Revolution]

Ok, I checked turns 46-49 and no declarations of war (except for Jomon's).

Gah, I am quite sorry and it's completely my bad...I told Kortek that I had canceled the NAP. I was going to send you guys a message of the forums as well in case something like this happened but ended up deciding not to bother (clearly a poor choice).

[Revolution]

Since we seem to be falling into world war and the game has reached turn 50, I would be willing to change the hosting interval to 72 hours if there is interest in that. If a couple people request the longer hosting in this thread, we'll go with it. Personally I'm still ok with 48

[AdmiralZhao]

72 hours would be great for me.

[Revolution]

72 hours would be great for me.

I figured it might be with an empire the size of yours...hosting interval changed to 72hrs.

[seej]

I would like the turn length to be extended to 72 hours in general.

thanks,
cj

[AdmiralZhao]

Wow, what horrid turn. Baalz, could you send me my Tome of High Power back? It belongs with Caelum, not with your invincible army of ice armored toads.

[Baalz]

Wow, what horrid turn. Baalz, could you send me my Tome of High Power back? It belongs with Caelum, not with your invincible army of ice armored toads.

Man I love arssartuts. For some reason they always seem to be underestimated, but they're completely top of the line sacreds IMO, particularly when you consider their deployment mobility from being amphibious and sailing....plus partial darkvision along with mages who can cast darkness. If it's any consolation Gath is sharing the pain. Those guys just hit like a mac truck and don't go down.

Anyway, on to new business. I've been a bit surprised at the apparent lack of concern among most of the nations of the world at Caelum's amazing power concentration. Despite Atlantis' modest success at drawing some blood defending herself, overall Caelum is apparently the only nation not being ground down in the current fighting. For those of you who haven't figured it out yet, Caelum is using the ankh (and their ally) to transform many of their mages and priests into soulless. This has two benefits - 1) Their now undead priests can reanimate free longdead (you've no doubt noticed Caelum's army graph) 2) Their mages no longer have upkeep.

Just think about that for a moment. Caelum has nearly triple the size and income of the next largest nation *AND QUICKLY DISAPPEARING UPKEEP*. Now further realize that there is currently no significant offensive action against Caelum in the foreseeable future of the current fighting. By the time the current fighting resolves Caelum will have 5 times as much income as anyone else (after accounting for upkeep), 10 times as many mages, and 100 times as many troops.

This is not posturing, this is easily verifiable by just looking at the score graph. If the current fighting continues there is only one way this game will end, it's beyond doubt that everyone else is too evenly matched for a quick victory....it's going to be a long, drawn out war with lots of casualties on every side while Caelum's power grows exponentially. I propose an immediate ceasefire for everyone except Caelum and Pythium. Everyone is engaged in fighting now, and I expect there will be significant reluctance on every side to just leave borders where they are right now ("He just took that province!", "I've got an army about to attack!", "My stealth troops are just about to hamstring!", "He took out my ally...it's payback time!" "I just equipped a bunch of guys to teleport in") but realize that what I'm saying is the game is about to be effectively over and all that stuff doesn't matter unless you're willing to just say "screw it, I'm not playing for a win anymore". Realize there is no possible way other than "freeze everything as it is immediately" can be successfully negotiated by all. If your answer is "I'll stop fighting if I get..." then realize that your answer is really "no".

This is what Atlanis proposes, anyone else have a thought?

[Revolution]

For those of you who haven't figured it out yet, Caelum is using the ankh (and their ally) to transform many of their mages and priests into soulless. This has two benefits - 1) Their now undead priests can reanimate free longdead (you've no doubt noticed Caelum's army graph) 2) Their mages no longer have upkeep.


:(



I propose an immediate ceasefire for everyone except Caelum and Pythium.

This is what Atlanis proposes, anyone else have a thought?

Utgarde would agree to this

[Unoptimized]

I agree to this proposition, not only as a...loyal ally...but also to get revenge for the winged one's raiding. Pious will dispense with you creatures.

[AdmiralZhao]

It is clear that Atlantis' thinking has been warped by too much time spent laying siege to Ryleh. Unless the aggressors return all captured provinces to Patala, Argatha, and Gath, and pay restitution for the immense damage their attacks have caused, then Atlantis is simply asking their opponents to wait patiently for their own turn at the guillotine. Once Caelum and Pythium are destroyed, Atlantis and Utgard will continue partitioning the other nations exactly where they left off. I would also point out that it is somewhat laughable for the owners of the Forge and The Chalice to claim that other nations will only get stronger over time. I know that I would want Atlantis' waves of Angok thugs or Utgard's endless Tartarians over my own legions of incompetent Longdeads.

[Baalz]

Heh, I pity the fool who has to fight arssartuts underwater. Getting pretty expensive trying to get wet Admiral, ready to surrender? ;)

[Revolution]

2 stales in a row...are things ok/are you still with us AdmiralZhao?

[klagrok]

Darn--I missed my turn as well--weather too nice to stay in the house---got mountains to hike with the wife. Hopefully Admiral is ok.

[Baalz]

I propose we pause the game until a sub is found for Caelum (or the Admiral surfaces!)

[Revolution]

I'll delay hosting for an additional 48 hours...hopefully zhao shows up

[Revolution]

Still no sign of admiralzhao, he was last active on the forums a week ago. I have delayed the game another 48hrs. The way I see it we have a few options...we can keep on delaying for a little while longer hoping the zhao shows up again or we hear something about his disappearance. We could try to find a sub/see if Pythium has any suggestions for a caelum sub.

The third option would be to call the game and declare caelum/pythium the winner. Before he started to stale, caelum had this game in the bag. Even now after a couple turns he still looks pretty good...but the way zhao was able to build up and come into his dominant position and somehow gain the support of gath and midgard...pretty much the end result of the game was sealed no matter how hard we fought. Now things have changed, many of caelums leaderless thugs/SC's are dead, and the Utgarde/Tien/Atlantis/Marignon pact is looking somewhat competitive...but it feels a bit unearned.

Throw some opinions out there.

[Baalz]

I second the proposal to declare Caelum/Pythium the winner, though I'll keep fighting if the admiral shows up and others still want to.

[klagrok]

I'll third the proposal--as for getting our support, well I wasnt sure what to make of it when I saw Atlantis attacking the monkeys--figured it would be a given that we would all go after the birds. :shock:

[Revolution]

I'll third the proposal--as for getting our support, well I wasnt sure what to make of it when I saw Atlantis attacking the monkeys--figured it would be a given that we would all go after the birds. :shock:

Tired to seeing the long period of peace that seemed to be really benefiting caelum...and irritated after having my well of misery overwritten by Agartha, I contacted atlantis/marignon about banding together to go to war against either Caelum/Pythium who were the team with the clear lead...or against Agartha/Patala because Patala with maelstrom would be clamming like a demon which would eventually lead to lots of unique nation summons that are rather badass and Agartha with well of misery would also mean lots of national SC's and death summons of unpleasant disposition. Atlantis/Mari were up for going to war and they thought that agartha/patala would be a bigger late game threat so we went with that.

[Quitti]

Tired to seeing the long period of peace ...

Still, you got to Patala, but never really caused any damage to me. And just stood around while Caelum/Pythium has a huge income and landmass under them? True, we might have been a formidable threat if we had gotten globals up sooner than later and Caelum had not been pretty much my ONLY neighbor. I had a small way of getting to midgård and Gath, who were again allied with caelum/pythium, and Marignon, who again was allied with atlantis, and I had water provinces around my nation, so that would've made me an easy raiding target for them.

Hence, I'll vote for Caelum/Pythium to be the winning team. It's a shame to see Caelum start staling at this point of the game, but I've been pretty much of his victory for at least those 10 turns so far. No competitors have arisen for him. Only one who could probably turtle against him easily is Atlantis. I might stand a chance for a while until major battlefield magics (Shimmering fields, flame storms etc) would start pouring in. Or a horde of sc's (single ones I could defend quite easily against) come knocking my doors. I only have something like (with a bit of forging) 50-100 mages capable of casting disintegrate and maybe 10-15 capable of casting petrify, all scattered around my little splat of land admist of Caelum.

[Unoptimized]

I must agree with Baalz. Calum clearly has an upper hand. I don't like the idea of winning because of stales, myself.

[Revolution]

So far I have only heard support for declaring for Caelum/Pythium (a course that I too agree with under the circumstances) any opposition to this idea should let themselves be heard before I put an end to the game tonight. It would be nice to hear from Pythium at least...

[Revolution]

Game Over, congrats to Seej and AdmiralZhao (wherever he is)

[AreaOfEffect]

Ballz. I was just about to make my move too.

[Quitti]

Congratulations :)