OT: Enterprise New thread....

[Dracus]

Since RIchard said it was ok, I am strating a new thread. Please stay on the subject of ST and the new Enterprise.

[tesco samoa]

watched 2nd show Last night.

I enjoyed it.

Would post some stuff on it but that would be wrong and ruin it for those watching it tonight.

P.S. anyone wants to see it eary. bird is echostar5. A-Channel

Look forward to talking about it tomorrow.

Their will be a lot of conversation about this one.

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[Baron Munchausen]

Does anyone know if there's a site with episode lists yet? I'd like to see a summary of what's in the 'pipeline' right now. Since I don't watch tv except for 'special' circumstances I won't see the previews inserted among commercials at other times.

[Puke]

well, i thought i was trying to spurr Raynor's discussion of continutity and warpspeed thru various series, i appologize if it was construed as inflamitory. I am 99% sure warp has meant something different in each seriese (and in different episodes within each) although it MAY have been the same in TNG as it was in TOS.

now, stop me if im wrong here, but i thought there was supposed to be no video communication during the earth / romulan war? granted i did not watch the show very intently, nor did i see the second one if there has been one yet, but it seemed like they had a big viewscreen, and i dont remember if they were talking to aliens on it or not.. but there seem to be alot of technological descrepancies. for instance, i thought it was supposed to be all lasers and nuclear warheads?

to further nitpick, i thought i remembered a TNG episode where Riker was assing up some first contact mission, and they talked about how the klingon war started when the humans met the klingons as a pre-warp civilization and screwed up the first contact procedures. is that all out the window now?

[Baron Munchausen]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Puke:
well, i thought i was trying to spurr Raynor's discussion of continutity and warpspeed thru various series, i appologize if it was construed as inflamitory. I am 99% sure warp has meant something different in each seriese (and in different episodes within each) although it MAY have been the same in TNG as it was in TOS.

now, stop me if im wrong here, but i thought there was supposed to be no video communication during the earth / romulan war? granted i did not watch the show very intently, nor did i see the second one if there has been one yet, but it seemed like they had a big viewscreen, and i dont remember if they were talking to aliens on it or not.. but there seem to be alot of technological descrepancies. for instance, i thought it was supposed to be all lasers and nuclear warheads?

to further nitpick, i thought i remembered a TNG episode where Riker was assing up some first contact mission, and they talked about how the klingon war started when the humans met the klingons as a pre-warp civilization and screwed up the first contact procedures. is that all out the window now?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes, that's the essence of the beef against the management of Trek. The technology is not even consistent within a given series/generation of actors. Remember the food replicators in TOS? Yet, in ST V - set decades later - they had a 'galley' in the Enterprise where ordinary food had to be cooked. And, of course, any time they need something to be 'scarce' to further a story line it's 'difficult to replicate'. Now, if you can zap anything at all from point A to point B 25,000 miles away (isn't that the standard range limit of transporters?) there cannot logically be any problem with 'replicating' a substance once you've got the pattern from transporting it. Fans have been noticing this lame way of getting around lack of story ideas, and complaining, for a very long time. At least in the current series they can genuinely claim technical difficulties in replication... http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon7.gif The transporter is a new technology with uncertain effects.

As far as the Romulans, they haven't contacted them yet. http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon7.gif Unless this occurs in the next episode? Anyway, maybe they just refuse video contact. The statement that they never had video contact doesn't mean in that case that it was not available, just that they didn't have it with the Romulans.

I don't recall seeing the episode where Riker spoke of the first contact with the Klingons.

[Dracus]

I think we were talking about warp drive distances and the races they showed.

This site gives the closest 26 stars to earth. all are with in 12 light years. http://www.astro.wisc.edu/~dolan/constellations/extra/nearest.html

At 200 times the speed of light per year, they would be able to reach Centauri in about 8 days. IF the Klingons lived 80 hours from Earth then warp 5 would have to be faster then 200 times the speed of light per year. To reach Centauri in 80 hours or 3.5 days we are looking at about 420 times the speed of light per year. Now if the klingons live beyond Centauri and Rigil (4.3 light years) then warp 5 would have to be faster then then that.
This is if we try to use actual star systems in relation to the Earth.

This is if my thinking is correct. I could be way off base.

Riker is hosting the TNN allday TGN and he said by his time, that only 19% of the galaxy had been charted, not explored just charted. 17% during TOS.
So even the volcan's charts were not that large.

[This message has been edited by Dracus (edited 03 October 2001).]

[geoschmo]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Puke:
well, i thought i was trying to spurr Raynor's discussion of continutity and warpspeed thru various series, i appologize if it was construed as inflamitory.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Puke, I can't speak for Richard, but I don't think his comments were directed at you or that you contributed to the thread getting locked down. It just so happens yours was the Last post before he closed the thread. I read through your post and didn't see anything inflamatory in it.

Geoschmo

[Dracus]

Baron if you go to www.upn.com (http://www.upn.com) they list the next 2 shows with a intro.

4 hours until the next show.
I will be back to post after I see it.

[tesco samoa]

trektoday.com

is my home page at work.

Yea I know.

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[Alpha Kodiak]

Now activating Star Trek technology acceptance algorythm....

The whole warp speed inconsistency phenomenon is actually quite easy to explain:

Since warp drive is warping space, the actual distance covered at a given warp speed varies depending on outside factors such as gravitational fields, energy fields, space dust, day of the week, phase of the moon, plot requirements, etc.

Go ahead.... Prove me wrong!

Now deactivating Star Trek technology acceptance algorythm....

And yes, I'll be watching it tonight.

[CyC]

I do remember an episode from next gen where they talked about how the first contact with the klingons was stuffed up.
It did not necesary say that humans stuffed it up if the vulcans had of turned up to the klingons like they did in first contact than that is probly how the vulcans stuffed up first contact.

It would also explain why the vulcans are so cautious about letting he humans travel the cosmos. (But not really)

and yes we all know that speed in startrek does not make sence just ignore it.


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[tesco samoa]

ok what did you think.

The ships were cool again.

ANd I liked the fact that space does not have the same laws as oceans.

Liked the missles.

Liked the dinner. This one seems more personal.

But for the teck. If you want teck read the books. Or you will rub your eye balls in disbelief.

But that is ok.

I liked it.



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[Richard]

Sorry for being vague, but no your post was fine.

I had just gotten to closing it up.

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Richard Arnesen
Director of Covert Ops
Shrapnel Games
http://www.shrapnelgames.com

[Coal]

Anyone else thing Porthos was a good addition to the story? It just makes it nice, and can possibly create amuseing plots later.

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'Evacuate? In our moment of triumph?'
Grand Moff Tarkin, just before the Death Star blew.

We are Dyslexia of Borg, futility is resistant, your *** will be laminated.

[LazarusLong42]

My preferred episode lists--because they're pretty much sans trailers and I can just check when it's just a rerun--are at:
http://www.vidiot.com/

ES2/LL

[Puke]

sorry, im going OT from an OT thread here, but i was thinking about trek.. and i did used to like trek a great deal.. and i still do, but i use more salt these days.. but i was thinking about technological inconsistancies, and the person who suggested to read the books.

now, while i have no intention of reading any startrek books, I recently got done reading some good Military SF books, and the tech was GREAT. it made sense from our understanding of physics, there was a certain bull**** technobable level, but it was acceptable, and it was consistant, and it supported the plot. one of the books was _Redliners_ and among other things, they had some awfully nice grenades. both FAE and HE. now, these grenades could be set to detonate on the otherside of a wall, door, or piece of sheet metal after being fired thru said material. this, i thought was pretty sweet.

I just got done thumbing through an article about our oversized-but-so-darn-cool OICW, and the integrated 20mm launcher can do the SAME THING.. well, minus the FAE.

isnt that some cool stuff? we need some more good science fiction so we can develop better ways to kill people. well, sorry for the diVersion, just thought id share that bit of joy with you all. I now return you to your regularly scheduled topic.

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[Dracus]

I liked this one alot. THe way the missles worked and failed to work gave the sense of them still learning. The alien interaction was great.

[Deathstalker]

Barring major disaster, I believe this will be my favorite of the Trek series...My favorite character is quickly becoming the Comm Officer (Hoshi?), followed by the captain (and of course, the dog http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon7.gif..)

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"We are all...the sum of our scars"....(paraphrased) Matt. R. Stover-'Blade of Tyshalle'.

"Human existance is all imagination...Reality is no more than a simple agreement among its participants that this is where we shall meet, and these are the rules that we shall abide by."- Kevin McCarthy/David Silva "The Family:Special Effects"..

[dmm]

I liked how the chief engineer did NOT want to spend all of his time in engineering, and how the comm officer did NOT want to go on the away mission. Only other time I've seen that kind of realistic human whining on ST was a Voyager episode where Janeway went on a mission with 3 misfits. But then we never saw those characters again, which was a shame -- everyone else was so earnest and capable. (gag) I'm not forgetting Q. A shallow, selfish, jerk -- so human. But he wasn't a crewman. Ditto with Quark. Oh, I did forget Reg! LOL! A neurotic crewman -- whoever thought him up should get an award. And ooops! How could I forget Bones? A cranky old guy who hates new-fangled tech. (Plus, with no sex appeal, yet he had a couple of love interests. Will we ever see anything like that again, I wonder? Why ARE all the non-alien/non-AI crewmembers so young and buff? Smacks of genetic engineering to me.)

[dmm]

I didn't like how the two alien ships encountered both had WAY WAY higher tech level than Enterprise. How the heck did humans manage to put together the Federation, and be so dominant in it? They must have "Godlike" intel bonuses, or else the alien empires are run by circa 2001 AIs that trade good tech for worthless tech. Or maybe it's because we're walking aphrodisiac factories? http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon12.gif

[Puke]

what the heck do you mean Bones had no sex appeal? I thought he was 'distinguished.' one of the benefits of being a guy is that you get to age gracefully. and what space-girl can turn down a doctor? their mothers would be ashamed..

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[Cheeze]

I don't get the total hostility on the ship, but I really enjoy Enterprise already. I wonder how extensive are the Vulcans, or are most 'empires' just not in existence or no more than a few planets.

This show is so like Space empires in my estimation it's hilarious! The battle scenes so far have been great for that!

I was sitting in the episode thinking..."Get that ship back to Earth and Analyze it for tech!!" http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon7.gif

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That's just my opinion. I could be wrong.

[geoschmo]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by dmm:
I didn't like how the two alien ships encountered both had WAY WAY higher tech level than Enterprise. How the heck did humans manage to put together the Federation, and be so dominant in it?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
This is not that far fetched when you take into account the whole of Trekdom. Historically the Human Race in Star Trek is always a little more eager than everybody else. More curious, always wanting to explore and expand into other regions. So far "Enterprise" is right on in this regard. So our ships usually get pasted in the first encounter with any new race. (Except those named Enterprise of course. http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon7.gif ) We are always protected from anialation as a race by the fact that it's always on "their turf" and they never seem to come looking for us until we've managed to come up with a way to defend ourselves. Also in the generally accepted Trek history (as much as their is one) the Humans usually seem to have better engines, and worse weapons than anyone we meet. That allows us to keep the conflicts at a distance from Earth as well.

Think of it in SEIV terms. It's a lot easier to wipe out other races explorer ships poking around your space than it is to send a fleet to wipe him out in his home system. At least early on anyway.

Geoschmo

[Suicide Junkie]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>I was sitting in the episode thinking..."Get that ship back to Earth and Analyze it for tech!!" <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>LOL! That's exactly what I was thinking too http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon7.gif. Then, seconds later, "Oops, too much damage: [seinfeld soup nazi]No shields for you!!"[/seinfeld soup nazi] http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon7.gif

[CaptSpoogy]

I have really enjoyed the series so far. I think it has a lot of potential. Even the theme song doesn't seem so bad now after hearing it a few times. Look for a Klingon ship in next week's episode. I hope they come up with something interesting, in tune with the Enterprise...

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[tesco samoa]

http://www.treknation.com/reviews/fiver/fight_or_flight.shtml

Warning.
Funny.


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[Baron Munchausen]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by tesco samoa:
http://www.treknation.com/reviews/fiver/fight_or_flight.shtml

Warning.
Funny.

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes that is funny. The fans seem to have the "routine" for the crew chemistry down already. The Archer/T'Pol/Tucker triad seems to be headed for the Kirk/Spock/McCoy treatment, too.

[Cheeze]

Had me laughing loudly for several minutes...I wondered what happened to those weapons from the first episode. Although they did miss...often. (Obviously Earth needs to develop combat sensor technology)

Maybe I imagined them too.

[Baron Munchausen]

Yeah, you'd think they would try the lasers, too, if they were that desperate. But you'd also think the Axanar ship would be able to guess that the ship that won't respond to his hail, and is attacking the other ship, is the villain. http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon7.gif For that matter, is this likely to be a "new" thing? Wouldn't there be a history and the Axanar would already know if there's someone out their who thinks of them as a resource to be harvested? But this is television. They have to crank out stories very quickly and deliver their 22 episodes per season.

[geoschmo]

Hah! That's what was bugging me about that episode. I couldn't put my finger on it, but it was pecking at my subconscious.

It's like the two alien ships were ignoring each other until the Enterprise crew convinced the friendly aliens that it was the other guys who killed his people.

Why did't they attack both ships as soon as they arrived? For that matter why didn't the bad guys open fire on them as soon as they arrived, instead of waiting a few minutes for the other ship to attack them? Was everybody onboard busy running the tractor beam and nobody bothered to look out at the ship approaching them?

He he. That's funny.

Geoschmo

[Emperor Zodd]

It seems like the budget for this show is somewhat less than Voyager.

I hope it gets better as time goes on like the previous shows did.

I think the opening music is terrible!
Atleast we have a male Captain.

[Puke]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by capt_spoogy:
Even the theme song doesn't seem so bad now after hearing it a few times.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

die.

[geoschmo]

Well it's all personal opinion I guess, but the theme is most definetly NOT growing on me. If anything I disliked it more the second time I heard it. I do like the opening credits that play during the song though, as long as I plug my ears real tight. http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon12.gif

Geo

[Baron Munchausen]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by geoschmo:
Hah! That's what was bugging me about that episode. I couldn't put my finger on it, but it was pecking at my subconscious.

It's like the two alien ships were ignoring each other until the Enterprise crew convinced the friendly aliens that it was the other guys who killed his people.

Why did't they attack both ships as soon as they arrived? For that matter why didn't the bad guys open fire on them as soon as they arrived, instead of waiting a few minutes for the other ship to attack them? Was everybody onboard busy running the tractor beam and nobody bothered to look out at the ship approaching them?

He he. That's funny.

Geoschmo<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hey, we haven't even gotten to the problem of how everyone in the galaxy knows what sort of signal to send for the Federation's video hardware. A video signal is very complex, though most people have forgotten this after decades of tv in every home, business, cardboard box in the alley, and whatnot. Ever wonder just how every new contact can give them a video signal in perfect synch, and their camera just happens to be sensitive to the same fragment of the EM spectrum that human eyes are designed for? http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon7.gif

FX: &lt;Vogon Voice&gt; "It's on file at the Galactic Video Standards Office!" http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon12.gif

[Urendi Maleldil]

At least every alien doesn't speak English anymore.

[ZeroAdunn]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Urendi Maleldil:
At least every alien doesn't speak English anymore.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sorry to break this to you, but all aliens do speak english. Please don't post unless you know what your talking about! :P

[Mudshark]

If you are refering to any kind of point of reference, yes any kind of intelegent life would be well "alian". Food who knows what they would requare. Shelter, would be a must. Beyond that let our imagination run wild. We have a hard time defining intelegence among our own species. My typos a case in point! LOL

[Puke]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Mudshark:
If you are refering to any kind of point of reference, yes any kind of intelegent life would be well "alian". Food who knows what they would requare. Shelter, would be a must. Beyond that let our imagination run wild. We have a hard time defining intelegence among our own species. My typos a case in point! LOL<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

"To me there is nothing but puerility in a tale in which the human form - and the local human passions and conditions and standards - are depicted as native to other worlds or other universes."

-same source as my sig

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[Suicide Junkie]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Sorry to break this to you, but all aliens do speak english. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Actually, its an optical illusion. The universal translator changes both the sound you hear and the image of the alien's mouth (if there is a mouth). http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon7.gif

[tesco samoa]

Think they will do a time show where this crew goes forward in time and beats up on the BORG ????????????????

Magic 8 ball says ' most likely '

They will go 2 times around the sun.

Since once will take them back in time.

The only way I have been able to enjoy this show is to think that it is 1. a tv show 2. its a soap in space. 3. And then they add a little star trek to it.

If I thought of the show in the other way Trek first. I would look like that famous picture of the woman screaming.

I just hope in 4 years I will be looking back at this season and thinking.

'thank the writters that this show elvolved.'

And I hope my spelling elvolves as well.



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[ZeroAdunn]

I was only joking, no need to take it so seriously.

[Suicide Junkie]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>I was only joking<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Me too. I guess we need a better joking smiley for the forum. I'll upgrade to the winking smiley for now ( http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon12.gif).

[geoschmo]

Sorry, wasn't trying to be a wet blanket. Just wanted to make sure that we were joking, and that everybody understood that we were joking.

The Last thread kind of blew up over something that was intended to be humorous, I didn't want that to happen again.

I'm sure it won't be the Last time I screw up. http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon7.gif

Geoschmo

[geoschmo]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Urendi Maleldil:
At least every alien doesn't speak English anymore.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ZeroAdunn:
Sorry to break this to you, but all aliens do speak english. Please don't post unless you know what your talking about! :P<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Zero, I am pretty sure you are joking here. IIRC the climax of episode two was all based around the fact that the Enterprise crew couln't communicate with the other ship captain.

Urendi had a point here. I am not sure what you are basing your point on, Zero. But regardless of which point you agree with, I think we can safely say everyone is free to post on this forum regardless of whether or not they know anything about what they are talking about. http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon7.gif

Let's not get this thread closed down too, ok?

Geoschmo


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[tesco samoa]

The next Star Trek show. WARNING SPOILER.
Actually no spoiler but don't read until you watch it
Esp.3 STAR TREK GENERIC STORY #2
Zoom in on 2 characters you have never seen befor.
Zoom out to strange new world
Lets send an away mission
insert crapy us vs vulcan arguement
learn one of the new characters is a biologist.
Select away mission.
2 new people and 4 regulars
get where this story is going.

Now you know the whole plot.
Throw in the doctor and vola. Same old crapy story.
Here is hoping the next esp. does not use STAR TREK GENERIC STORY #3 - virus.




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[Dracus]

The more and more I watch this show, the more I like it.
They follow no real rules of contact. They take blind risks. it appears that so far they are setting each show in two week blocks.
the first show 80 hours, then the next show was 4 weeks since the left earth, then this show was 6 weeks since they left earth.
The transporter not being able to take out the foriegn matter was a sign that it is still new tech.
So far this show has been fun to watch.

[ZeroAdunn]

It was kinda sad that everyone saw the plot twist coming. I think it would have been better if after the captain had told them all about the pollin (sp?) that they would have gone along with him, taken the drugs, and bam, the rock people were still there. Who would have seen that coming?

[geoschmo]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ZeroAdunn:
It was kinda sad that everyone saw the plot twist coming. I think it would have been better if after the captain had told them all about the pollin (sp?) that they would have gone along with him, taken the drugs, and bam, the rock people were still there. Who would have seen that coming?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
That's funny. I was expecting it to happen that way. After the away team left the cave, the scene returns to the cave and the cave people pop out and look at each other and then fade to black. Enterprise leaves never knowing the planet was inhabited. Would have been kind of cool.

Btw, my wife, who doesn't like trek, was in the room when it started Last night. She gave me this funny look and said, "Is that the theme song? That sucks!"

There you have it. A non-biased opinion. The theme is just as bad as I thought it was. It wasn't just becasue it was different than what I as used to with Trek themes. http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon10.gif

Geoschmo

[tesco samoa]

yea song sounds like a really bad college band that only gets air play in Canada. OLP comes to mind. Alt-Jock-Rock should stick to stadiums, bars and what they call ALT Radio.

Is there any one I forgot to offend in this post???

I am sorry in advance. Nailing in baseBoards so I am bitter at the world. ( not one straight wall in the house)

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[Puke]

didnt offend me. of course, if you consider that i usually go around offending people, you may have attained your goal.

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[dmm]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by tesco samoa:
... Nailing in baseBoards so I am bitter at the world. ( not one straight wall in the house) <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
LOL! Oh man, I've been there, done that! I almost crippled myself just doing one small kitchen. Was too cheap to rent a nail gun. The quarter-round was the worst -- OAK! I don't think I've ever sworn like that before or since -- the wife had to get the children out of the house.

[dmm]

About the episode:
Considering their track record, I can't believe they didn't have someone get naked. Isn't that a common reaction to mind-bending drugs? Either they are trying to clean up their act, or someone should get fired. http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon12.gif

[DirectorTsaarx]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by dmm:
About the episode:
Considering their track record, I can't believe they didn't have someone get naked. Isn't that a common reaction to mind-bending drugs? Either they are trying to clean up their act, or someone should get fired. http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon12.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

They've already done their softcore episode for the season. Remember the rub-down scene in the pilot?

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[dmm]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DirectorTsaarx:
They've already done their softcore episode for the season. Remember the rub-down scene in the pilot? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Well, I'm hoping you're right, and that they'll stick to good sci-fi, but I'm cynical.

[tesco samoa]

next weeks show looks good.

Just gander over to treknation or trektoday to read up on it.

They should have got orbital to do the soundtrack and theme.

Or the Orb.

Have they mentioned how long the Enterprise can Last without resupplying?

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[Puke]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DirectorTsaarx:
They've already done their softcore episode for the season. Remember the rub-down scene in the pilot?

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

every startrek had at least one.. remember Yar and Data? Kirk and everyone?

[Dracus]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by tesco samoa:
Have they mentioned how long the Enterprise can Last without resupplying?

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

They have not mentioned this yet. They will have to address this at sometime.

[geoschmo]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Puke:
every startrek had at least one.. remember Yar and Data? Kirk and everyone? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Yar and Data was nothing but a some suggestive talk and a kiss. Same for Kirk. Remember the way they would use that cheesy spot lighting and lilting music on there eyes whenever they had a scene like that? Cornball. Yeah right, like we was looking at there eyes!

The Enterprise Decon scene was so risque, it looked like something right out of "Red-shoe Starlog". http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon10.gif

Geoschmo


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[Puke]

sure they didnt get to showing much more than that, but in a later episode (or was it a movie?) data talked about his intimate incounter and why he was 'fully equipped.'

I remember at least one episode when the door closed on kirk and some broad in his quarters.

there was a ds9 episode where spots got at least half naked, although it might have been in someones holodeck fantasy. and dont forget the alternate reality with bondage-80's-Kira.

and in Voyager, aside from the occasional sappy romance, you saw one episode where the Captain and Tom were side by side naked on a beach with their litte children splashing in the water nearby. of course they happened to be transmogrified into lizards at the time, but thats QUIBBLING!

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(with apologies to H.P.L.)

[Dracus]

You forgot a couple in SNG.
The plots were roxana was nude and where she wore outfits that if you still framed the shot, you could see almost through them.

Or the the plot were Diana wore the web outfit with the leaves barely covering her.

[Puke]

i was trying to foget those. thanks for ruining my lunch.

edit: IT WAS A JOKE! I didnt mean to kill the thread!

[This message has been edited by Puke (edited 15 October 2001).]

[tesco samoa]

http://www.treknation.com/reviews/fiver/strange_new_world.shtml

warning attempted humour

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[tesco samoa]

Hey An Enterprise I finally liked. Show #4

No transporters ( so their running at a 50% showing now )

Actually laughed a bit. And some of the 'future' tech looked old and dated. Which was nice.

And their is one scene where you will rub your hands and say execellent in antisipation(actually why did i even bother trying to spell the word )

And their is a shower scene.
And a really cool ship(s).
How is that for not giving away anything.

Damn day before trek. It is hard not to talk about it you know.

I am trying.

I should just stay away from this site every wed.

If this post bothers anyone let me know and I will refrain from the sneak peak post.

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[geoschmo]

Tesco, maybe you should tape it and watch it when the rest of us do.

Nah! I wouldn't be able to do that either. http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon7.gif

[CyC]

How about you all tape it and wait the 4 days I have to wait before watching each episode !

Did not think so http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon7.gif

[tesco samoa]

But I am not giving away anything that you cannot find in the tv guide. I believe.

But in future I will refrain from putting up the post except for if I thought it sucked or not.

I will do it news style. Just say it was good or bad and not back it up.



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[tesco samoa]

So..........

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[capnq]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>But I am not giving away anything that you cannot find in the tv guide.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>TV Guide couldn't write a spoiler-free story about a show if their lives depended on it. Anyone who cares about spoilers knows not to read it.

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My first mod! Hypermaze quadrant (http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/Forum25/HTML/000018.html)
The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the
human mind to correlate all of its contents. We live on a placid
island of ignorance in the midst of black seas of infinity, and it was
not meant that we should go far. -- HP Lovecraft, "The Call of Cthulhu"

[Coal]

I'll try to avoid spoilers. (thinks a minute)

'I can see my house from here!' AAHAHAHAAHA. That was funny.

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'Evacuate? In our moment of triumph?'
Grand Moff Tarkin, just before the Death Star blew.

We are Dyslexia of Borg, futility is resistant, your *** will be laminated.

[Dracus]

Go read this article, scott talks about enterpise . http://entertainment.msn.com/celebs/qa/bakula.asp


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[tesco samoa]

nice one. Good read. I hope Kirk does not pop up on the show. Perhaps Pike or that SheMale Second in command.

'We Need More Power'



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[Dracus]

riddle me this:

The enterprise comes across a race that has both cloak and holo deck tech. They don't try to trade for either.
Yet they do trade the holo tech to the klingons without even asking the aliens if they would allow this.
Now lets jump 150 years into the future. kirk's time. The Fed has neither cloak or holo decks. The klingons have cloaks but no longer use holo desks.
What happen to the holo deck tech taht was installed on the klingon cruiser? did that captain not share this tech with the empire and it was lost?

[Coal]

No, the aliens only traded the holo tech, not the cloak. The Klingons got the cloak from the Romulans in Kirks time, in the alliance they briefly had. I think the Enterprise writers would have remembered that.

As for the holo, maybe the tech was too advanced for the Federation or Klingons to put onto their ships until 250 years later (TNG time). Most of the planets, ships and stations seen in TOS were outPosts or small colonies, scout vessels and warships. At that time, the Federation and Klingons could have thought the holo tech great, but just did't have the skill, tech level, money or desire to fit it onto all their warships, colonies and stations. Remember, the first holodeck seen was on the Enterprise-D, which was a BIG exploration vessel, with lots of families on board. On that kind of ship, the holodecks would be very usefull for stress relief and crew and passenger morale, but on a warship of TOS time, it would just take up space better used for provisions or weapons.

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This is it. That moment they told us about in high school, where one day, algebra would save our lives.

'Evacuate? In our moment of triumph?'
Grand Moff Tarkin, just before the Death Star blew.

We are Dyslexia of Borg, futility is resistant, your *** will be laminated.

[Dracus]

Lets go back to the the first show.
My thoughts on the unknown character.

1. Evil kirk from alt universe.
2. the real kirk who is pissed because they killed him off.
3. The romulan tasha yara, who wants to distroy the fed before it gets started.
4. data's evil brother.

[Dracus]

mav,

I never said they traded the cloak tech. I ask what you thought happened to the holo tech that was given to the klingon captain?
I was just fishing for thoughts on this.

[Coal]

Well, I still gave my thoughts about the holo tech. http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon7.gif

As for the unkown character, if I remember correctly, I think he's human. His hair, body features (that could be deserned), and clothing, lead to either human, or one of the species that have the basic siiloete of a human (Bajorians are one).

Romulans and Vulcans could be ruled out, their hairstyle's different from the badguy's (again, if I remember correctly, and their hairstyles are pretty consistent from character to character); Klingon's ridges and body shape would be easily detectable; Carasians, Kazon, and other 'headgear' (the actors have to wear big ruber masks and body apperance mods) just didn't match the siloelete.

To talk about your thoughts alittle (not insulting, just observeing and thinking):
1. He's from a alt universe, so time travel to our universe's past may be a little difficult, even for Treknobable. But that would be an interesting plot twist.
2. Naw. It's Kirk, I mean, why would HE come back to screw the Federation?
3. Sela (sp), was her name, but the badguys (again, if I remember correctly) had the profile of a man, and not one of a Romulan female.
4. Lor? Thought he was blown up or dismattled? Have to watch the TNG episodes that he was in. But that would be an interesting plot twist also. Do like in First Contact, go to the past, contact the Borg, or something like that. But I really don't know why he'd go back to screw the Fed.

Ah, well, trying to figure out who or what Trek badies are is really confuseing, and it's usually better to just let the writers explain it.

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This is it. That moment they told us about in high school, where one day, algebra would save our lives.

'Evacuate? In our moment of triumph?'
Grand Moff Tarkin, just before the Death Star blew.

We are Dyslexia of Borg, futility is resistant, your *** will be laminated.

[tesco samoa]

better not be a borg.

I am so sick of the borg. You think a species that can conquer vast regions of space would get over the human factor ( ie really badly written story line )


If they have this enterprise beat them up I think I will scream.

That would be as bad as Star Wars esp 6. ( Worst ending ever!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)


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[Dracus]

Manv,
Good post.

[Dracus]

that's funny, I almost posted a borg also. But I thought that it did not sound like one.

[tesco samoa]

ok new show.

yep.

Hey arn't they supposed to be a military based organization.

Yep. That's why we send 80% of our command infastructure on all away missions. Stupid

But hey at least it is predictable.

Wouldn't want a show that is orginal in any way.

Tonights. esp. two thumbs down.

Horrible. Contrived , and zero orginal thought.

Going through the motions.

When I heard that line.

"can we use the transporters "

I thought the answer should have been.

'Sorry to early in the show. We have to have a 'problem happen' where the two leaders help each other solve the problem, and whola. Story ends'

Man. was I surprised. http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon7.gif

Please keep the insults non personal.

Thanks

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[Suicide Junkie]

Hey, the Terrans/Federation didn't actually clue in to the fact that command staff should not be on the front lines until after TOS http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon7.gif

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>When I heard that line:
"can we use the transporters "<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Everybody should probably assume that the transporter won't work.
IE: the question "The transporter won't work down there, will it?"
"Of course not!"
"The Last time we beamed somebody up from a planet, he had leaves stuck in him; this time he's sitting on rocks. I don't think so."

IMO, it looks like they can barely get the beam through an atmosphere (wind -&gt; turbulence -&gt; bad). The space station in ep1 was sitting in a nice calm area, and its hull is not terribly deep, dense or irregular (with all the docked pods blown away).

[Puke]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Maverick:
... and it's usually better to just let the writers explain it.

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

sure it is, unless you want it to make any sense.

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(with apologies to H.P.L.)

[Dracus]

This show gave a hint on one of the rules that the fed is later based on. When archer wanted to knock out the novians and the transport them back to the ship then try to convice them to return to earth. Ta'pol pointed out that the novian way of live would be lost and that was not right. They then decided to help them relocate to a safe spot on the planet.

the makings of a fed rule.......

[Puke]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by tesco samoa:
Ah but we have to be passionate about one thing in life. I just happened to pick Star Trek.

Oh and Beer, music and .............
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I prefer a nice Stout or Porter on a brisk fall day. Of course, the Sam Addams radio commercials remind me of FDR style fire-side chats, and since Sams is something of a staple thats decent and easy to find everywhere (around here, anyhow) and as such is easily identifyable in the light of the FDR analogy.

As for startrek, i prefer the Cisko - Woof - Martok trio when they were are all about kicking *** and taking names. throw in a sprinkling of Dax, and a dash of ferangi humor, and you have your self a very good season of trek. of course, you have to reflect back on Kirk and crew in a warm, nostolgic light and view the shows as entertainment, not as serious SF: "Brain, Brain! What is Brain?!"

I sort of resent TNG, because even though everyone watched it and liked it at the time, it obviously was very silly and most people only liked it because a 25 year gap in televised science fiction forced them to like anything trekish that poped up on the idiot box.

now, with the wider variety of programming, and the higher availability of recorded movies both via DVD and cable/satilite services, i feel less confined and less 'forced' to enjoy trek, and i feel very comfortable disliking both voyager and the new seriese. and a solid 50% of DS9. and in retrospect, a solid 60% of TNG.

in comparison, i have strongly disliked about 10% of Space: Above and Beyond, 5% of Bab5, and out of the 20 or so episodes that i have seen, 0% of Farscape. thus, it is safe to say that paramount is loosing my interest with trek. I even like Andromeda better than the Lastest trek series, and thats bad.

[tesco samoa]

Funny. I never ever argue about stuff.

But Star trek does it for me everytime.

Here I am complaining about a night time soap.

Makes me think of Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons ESP. Halloween Neutron Bomb

'Oh, I have wasted my life.'

Ah but we have to be passionate about one thing in life. I just happened to pick Star Trek.

Oh and Beer, music and .............

Later

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[Dracus]

The vulcans are turning out to be not so nice and I am starting to see them as being very sneaking.

[dmm]

Did anyone else have the Last episode (visit to a Vulcan retreat center) figured out by half-way through?

I thought this episode had a lot of potential: overall a good idea, and some memorable scenes (e.g., humans stink, Archer's "important information") But the path from start to finish was very simplistic and predictable. And elements of it were not believeable. I mean, the Andorians had all kinds of sensors, but couldn't detect extensive catacombs or old-fashioned radio signals??? Gimme a break! And then at the end, Archer hands over top-secret info on Earth's Vulcan allies to another group that he knows nothing good about, without checking with headquarters or doing anything to try to salvage Vulcan's reputation. I was expecting him at the least to hand all the weapons to T'Pal so she could prove her loyalty to Archer and the basic honor of ordinary Vulcans to the Andorians. Then they could have had some closing dialogue like:
T'Pal: How did you know I wouldn't kill you to protect my government?
Archer: I didn't. I just trusted you.
T'Pal: That is not logical.
Archer: We have a 5-year mission ahead of us. If I can't trust you, I may as well find out now.
T'Pal: There is some logic in that. But you still stink.

And why is it that no one on Enterprise seems to have studied the Vulcans' database? The Andorians are the Vulcans' nearest neighbors, and have recently been at war with them, and the Feds don't even recognize them. Hello???? They're violent blue humanoids with blond hair and antennae! I recognized them from a single episode of STTOS, and I'm not even a dyed-in-the-wool Trekkie. Didn't anyone on that ship get a passing grade in Interstellar Diplomacy 101?

Overall, I still enjoyed it, but felt that a little thought would have made it a LOT better.

[tesco samoa]

ahh puke we must have been seperated at birth.

History documentaries endings have more surprise than the latest Trek.

This weeks esp. I watched it not thinking trek.trek.trek.

It was ok.

Nothing worse than the first season of Bab5. But nothing better either.

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[tesco samoa]

But always remember the more u hate Trek. Star wars wins. And we do not want that.

Maybe Lucas is the real producer behind Enterprise.
The big 3 'stars' are growing on me.

Good interaction between Tucker, Archer and T'Pol.

Nice seeing Geoffry Combs Last night. (sorry if I mangled his name )

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[Cheeze]

I liked this past episode, but I had my complaints. Most of all, this is all hanging on my Trek-fan bias towards Vulcans. Spock was my all-time favorite among the originals, and still pretty much at the top now.

I find it hard to believe that the Vulcans could have a centuries-long (by TOS timeline) reputation for honesty when there is this flat-out lie. On top of that, sure the guy was a monk (perhaps not), but how does Archer take him out with an elbow? Of course Kirk could do it, but no one can deliver the double axehandle punch like him...or the running drop kick.

Great show..I'll still be watching!! I do like how the humans seem somewhat clumsy and goofy at times.

[Urendi Maleldil]

Wow, with this latest episode the humans are the first interplanetary tourists.

[Atrocities]

Brandon Braga, and Rick Berman have both stated in interviews that the Vulcan attitude is directly related to events that will inlighten many of us. What exactly that means, I have no fricking idea.

Jeffery Combs, (The Lead Andorian, Wyoune, and Brunt the Ferengi) did a great job here, and I hope to see his andorian character again.

[Captain Kwok]

I liked the Last episode "The Andorian Incident" - I think it begins to show how the Federation was formed and how humans played the most important role (mediating between the Andorians/Vulcan etc...)

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"Reality is a nice place to visit, but I wouldn't want to live there..."

[tesco samoa]

2 thumbs up for the latest one. The Secert Message one

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[Krakenup]

I'm sorry, but comets don't have significant gravity - not even large ones. The problem would be keeping the shuttle from floating off the surface, not having it crash through the crust. The whole plot was so contrived, it was ridiculous. That was probably the worst episode in a Trek series I have ever seen. They need to hire some writers.

[Alpha Kodiak]

Finally got to see the Andorian Incident on tape. That one was pretty good. I'm with Krakenup on the comet episode. That went beyond my "Trek Suspension of Disbelief" capabilities.

[tesco samoa]

ahh you have to ignore that it is a scifi show and remember that it is a soap in space.

I am basing my 2 thumbs up only on the dinner scene. That was a classic Trek skit. Well written and well acted. Science and trek are... well thats why we call it the Science of Trek

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[Krakenup]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by tesco samoa:
I am basing my 2 thumbs up only on the dinner scene. That was a classic Trek skit. Well written and well acted.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Really?? I thought it was tedious and boring and added little or nothing to racial or personal character development. I guess that proves that beauty is in the eye of the Beholder. Hmmm, that reminds me - I haven't killed a Beholder in weeks. Where is my copy of Angband? http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon7.gif

[tesco samoa]

If your going after beholders I recommend Eye of the Beholder 2 from ssi. They had about 100 of them. http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon7.gif

It was that thumb taping that made me laugh.

O.T.
Anyone catch family guy or the tick Last night??

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[Fyron]

-Anyone catch family guy or the tick Last night??

I did. Those shows are incredibly funny! The Tick protects the people from the evil coffee machine? Pure genius!

And about Enterprise...
How many shuttles are going to crash through the ground? One fell into a cavern structure, one sank into a comet (which should not have happened, cause comets don't have much gravity...). What's next, a shuttle sinking into a bog?

[This message has been edited by Imperator Fyron (edited 10 November 2001).]

[Dracus]

Interesting how they are attempting to hash out all the un-answered questions.
The volcans sure have a lot of secrets don't they.

[tesco samoa]

Great new parody at treknation.

My new signature should read. Only one spelling mistake per sentance,less this one.

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[Dracus]

This latest one did have some things that I don't quite agree with.

Like the part where Archer tells the girl they are from another world. She was like "ok".
should she not have been a little more surpised at the lest.
Also, when they kissed the first time, while that was very risky should there have not been something about making sure that he did not contract virus, I mean they are aliens after all.
And the girl, didn't she seem just a little too easy???

Once again another pre to the P.M. provided by t'pol. It seems that alot of the fed rules were made up by non-humans. Wonder when they started following the P.M.?

[geoschmo]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Dracus:
This latest one did have some things that I don't quite agree with.

Like the part where Archer tells the girl they are from another world. She was like "ok".
should she not have been a little more surpised at the lest..<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>She was a scientist. Compared to the rest of her race she was probably more open to the possibility of life on other planets.
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>
Also, when they kissed the first time, while that was very risky should there have not been something about making sure that he did not contract virus, I mean they are aliens after all.
And the girl, didn't she seem just a little too easy???<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Aren't all highly intelligent women pushovers for good looking mysterious guys? Something about being different from the run of the mill jerks she is used to dealing with. Even before she knew he was an alien, she knew he had a lot of secrets. Smart chicks dig that sort of thing. http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon12.gif

Geoschmo

[Coal]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Also, when they kissed the first time, while that was very risky should there have not been something about making sure that he did not contract virus, I mean they are aliens after all.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The real life scientific reason for not worrying about viruses is that the viruses can't hurt humans. The virus would not have the genetic design to infect us. It would get in our system, look around and say, quite frankly, 'WTF?'. Unless humans have lived in the same area as the virus for a sufficient amount of time, the virus won't know how to infect us. The time needed would depend on how the virus is designed before human contact, and how close, biologically, humans are to the creatures the virus normally infects.

And even if there were a virus that could get into their systems, they got the decon and sick bay on the ship, and those would've gotten them cured pretty quick (like they always do).


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This is it. That moment they told us about in high school, where one day, algebra would save our lives.

'Evacuate? In our moment of triumph?'
Grand Moff Tarkin, just before the Death Star blew.

Brain fart, you win again!

[Alpha Kodiak]

I'm curious about their translator technology. While the show has been demonstrating that most of their tech is primitive compared to TOS and later, the fact that the captain could talk to a native in their own language real time, including lip synchronization, is just accepted. I could understand an alien race that is technologically advanced understanding the concept of a translator and accepting little details like the lips not matching the words, but a primitive person, thinking that they were speaking to one of their own race, would be confused.

Mind you, I liked the episode, but I just wish they had more problems dealing with language in that situation. At least the translator broke down at one point, but it still didn't explain how they could pull off the translator trick at all.

[Dracus]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Alpha Kodiak:
I'm curious about their translator technology. While the show has been demonstrating that most of their tech is primitive compared to TOS and later, the fact that the captain could talk to a native in their own language real time, including lip synchronization, is just accepted. I could understand an alien race that is technologically advanced understanding the concept of a translator and accepting little details like the lips not matching the words, but a primitive person, thinking that they were speaking to one of their own race, would be confused.

I just wish they had more problems dealing with language in that situation. At least the translator broke down at one point, but it still didn't explain how they could pull off the translator trick at all.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes this one confuses me also. I was expecting someone to say "hey why is your voice coming out of your pants." Still don't understand how they hear the translation either. In the NTG and DS9 they did talk about having one implanted their head but I still do not quite understand how others would understand them without having one themselves. I can see the it telling the holder what the other person is saying, but I don't see it working in reverse and speaking for the holder.

[geoschmo]

Maybe it's a nueral interface between your brain and the muscles controlling your vocal chords and mouth. You think a word in your native laguage, and it's gets translated before you actually speak it. The translator takes over and makes your mouth move in the correct fashion. The listener cannot tell a difference, because from their perspective their is no difference.

Of course this would not account for differences in biology. An alien species could have vocal chords that are capable of tomes that human one's are not. I guess then the implant could actually generate some tones and the facial movements will just be for show.

Of course it could be that all the actors at Paramount speak english. http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon12.gif

Geoschmo

[tesco samoa]

That is how they worked in DS9.

They should just use the BABEL fish method from Hitchhikers. Less confusing.

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[tesco samoa]

That is how they worked in DS9.

They should just use the BABEL fish method from Hitchhikers. Less confusing.

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[tesco samoa]

I wish Toronto had the street cleaning system that town had. Man was that the cleanest pre-industrial port town you ever did see? Humdinger it was.

[Fyron]

Wow! There haven't been any Posts about Enterprise here in the Last few weeks!

[Captain Kwok]

Aargh - I was really getting into the new series and now it's rerun time for the next month or so...

I think they're doing a fine job with the show and it should be only a matter of time before Atrocities releases an enterprise ship set...

[dmm]

Regarding Archer kissing the woman scientist:
Why do nearly all humanoid aliens mouth-kiss? There's a good reason why kids think it's gross: because it is! Very unsanitary! Definitely an acquired taste. [He says, very tongue in cheek.] I'm not sure, but there are probably lots of Earth cultures that don't mouth-kiss, so why do most ST aliens? Just once I'd like to see a ST captain mouth-kiss an alien and have her pull away and yell, "Eeeew! Yuck! Are you crazy?!"

And speaking of customs, I want to see some aliens with wierd greeting rituals, like grabbing one another's rear-ends or rubbing elbows or something. Earth teenagers constantly invent new greeting rituals. (Slap me five, high five, thumb handshake, punch handshake, etc.) Don't these writers have any imaginations??!!

[tesco samoa]

http://www.startrek.com/news/productnews.asp?ID=122425


Is it this week the reruns stop?

[tesco samoa]

has any one picked up the 20th anna...ver....sery edition of the first STAR TREK movie.

DVD of course.

Truefully I think I am the only person who liked the first movie.

[Fyron]

Your probably right about being the only person who liked the first movie. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

[Puke]

are you kidding? the first movie? it was GREAT!

"Ttttt-i-i-i-i-i-mmmmmme t-t-t-t-o-o-o-o iimmmmmmmmmm-paaact. . . . . twe-e-e-e-e-e-nty se-e-e-econds. . ." *bouncie*bouncie*bouncie*bouncie*

[Fyron]

Waahhh!? The first time I watched it, I fell asleep after about an hour into it, which means it was very, very boring.

[Puke]

really? i thought everyone liked the bouncing bald girl.

ok, other than that, it was not very good.

[Fyron]

That bouncing bald girl was one of its many problems.

[Puke]

i thought it was better than 3. which in turn was better than 5. danmed odd-number trek movies. of course, i though that all the next-gen movies basically sucked, even the borg one that had some fun action in it (tho it was better than the other two odd-numbered next-gen movies). tried and true, there has not been a single good odd-numbered trek movie. which means that we may be due for a good one soon..

[tesco samoa]

it was a new trek Last night. looking forward to talking about it tomorrow

[Captain Kwok]

It was a good episode. I liked the spindily aliens, they were kind of different from the usual trek far. At the beginning, I thought they might have been Romulans or something because of the ship design.

[geoschmo]

Well, crud! After waiting more than a month for an new episode, there's a basketball game on instead of Enterprise. I guess I'll have to wait till saturday to catch it.

Geoschmo

[zen.]

It's kinda funny, with all this low-tech, I keep feeling that they have paper-thin armor and their default-config 'phase cannons' are the galactic equivalent of throwing rocks at a tank. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Great episode, though. I really do like the fact that they come across all these aliens and that Starfleet ain't nowhere near the big fish in the pond yet. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif I wonder if they're going to be trading/upgrading their gear as time passes. It'd be cool to come back home with a totally modded Enterprise -- something Voyager failed to do.

zen

[Growltigga]

What show are you talking about? I dont know of any startrek clone like this one - it probably hasn't hit europe yet

[ 17 January 2002: Message edited by: Growltigga ]</p>

[tesco samoa]

Those aliens looked like streched out Mars Attacks aliens.

I enjoyed the side story but the main one was a little week.

A-Team in space where the enterprise is not only the barn but the van as well.

The character development is coming along nicely.

[dmm]

I love how they changed their pathetic beam weapon into a wave motion gun. Why don't my SEIV crews ever think to do that?

The only problem I had with the episode was: Why in the world did Archer and the chief engineer and the weapons officer not realize before now that installing the phase cannons just might possibly be a good idea? Helloooooo??? Guess Star Fleet Academy got better over time. I can't imagine the likes of Kirk, Scotty, Jordi, Miles, or Warf letting neat toys like that sit in a cargo bay.

[Cheeze]

I don't remember them having beam weapons (except for maybe the first episode, they keep trying those darn torpedos), so it looked like a new installation. Somewhere in here it sounds more like a debate as to whether the Enterprise crew has Energy Stream or Energy Pulse weapons (I go with Energy Stream).

Pretty good episode, I like how they struggled to find out what the favorite food of the security officer was. The main plot wasn't too bad..I liked how right after punching through the shields I was jumping up and down yelling "Fire the torpedos! Fire the torpedos NOW!"

(Yes, I am a loser)

Captain Kwok- I thought these were Romulans too, since the Enterprise initially couldn't scan them. And the look of them.

[Captain Kwok]

<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr> What show are you talking about? I dont know of any startrek clone like this one - it probably hasn't hit europe yet <hr></blockquote>

Enterprise? It's a new Star Trek show based in 2150's before the Federation was formed. It's pretty good. It debut in Sept. 2001 in North America, I guess you guys in Europe are unfortunate...

[Growltigga]

Yeah, about 18 months behind you

Everytime I speak to my mate in California about this wicked B5 episode I saw or whatever, he used to really bug me to bits by going on about how that was 'so Last year' and 'jeez man you are so behind the times'

made me think of genocide sometimes http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon8.gif

[dmm]

Someone on this forum sees "Enterprise" on Tuesday, rather than Wednesday like the rest of us, and he has to restrain himself from not posting spoilers. I assumed he was in the UK. That's not right?

[Growltigga]

dmm, unless the guy has some cable, satellite or sky package I have never heard of then I really dont think he was in the UK

Certainly, Enterprise is not being shown on our 5 terrestrial channels as far as I am aware - the only science fiction shows we have at the moment are Farscape (ggggrrrrrr to that Aeryn) and STNG (1st series with Tasha Yar still in it - grrrrrr again)

Nothing else as far as I can se

[tesco samoa]

A-Channel in Edmonton Alberta shows Enterprise on Tuesdays at 7PM MST. Canadian Sat. company BEV carries the channel on charlie #5( I believe )

So I watch it then right after 24. Instead of Wed. nights since on Wed. I go out for stout and wings.

In the US. it is UPN that carries it right ???

[dmm]

Sorry, TS, I mixed up UK and Canada. An easy enough mistake for a Mid-Atlantic xenophobe to make. Canada, UK, Australia, New Zealand, Texas, Alabama, New England -- you're all just a bunch of funny-English-speakers as far as we're concerned. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

(How's THAT for non-PC??)

[tesco samoa]

Good thing I am not from Newfoundland.

Dublin is the closest capital city.

[Growltigga]

<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by dmm:
Sorry, TS, I mixed up UK and Canada. An easy enough mistake for a Mid-Atlantic xenophobe to make. Canada, UK, Australia, New Zealand, Texas, Alabama, New England -- you're all just a bunch of funny-English-speakers as far as we're concerned. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif <hr></blockquote>

DMM, after that remark, you can forget the scenario editor if you get my drift - also less of the 'English speakers' - you should say 'American speakers' I think!

Finally, dont block all us commonwealth types together, do I sound Canadian? I have never kissed a moose in my life

[tesco samoa]

I had a sister who was once bitten by a moose.......


and


dmm

no offence taken. Nationism is nice and all but not very functional.

Mid Atlantic ???

You from Virginia ??

Or is that too far north or south ??

[Growltigga]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by tesco samoa:
[QB]I had a sister who was once bitten by a moose.......

Isn't that a pre-requisite to marriage in Canada?

[dmm]

Actually, I'm from Philly (that's Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, USA), so I probably should not be making fun of other peoples' accents! I don't talk like Rocky Balboa, mind you, but people from Maryland think I'm quaint. (They've got a lot of nerve! Can't even pronounce their own state's name properly -- they say "Mrrlnd.")

Warning: Boring geographical tidbit ahead.
MidAtlantic is loosely defined as US coastal states south of New England and north of "The Deep South." So Florida, Georgia, and South Carolina are not MidAtlantic states, and North Carolina probably isn't one either, while Virginia may or may not be, depending on who you are talking to. The "definites" are New York, New Jersey, Delaware, Pennsylvania, and Maryland.

[tesco samoa]

I always figured mid atlantic ment living on the coast.

Oh and a good star trek....

And I enjoyed it......................

[tesco samoa]

No reviews of it yet.....

also check out treknation.

the guide is updated with a few new satire espisode's

[geoschmo]

I really liked the episode, but someone needs to tell the writers that foreshadowing is more effective if it's more subtle.

Archer: Someday they will have some sort of, {searches for right word} "Directive" to guide these situations....

Oh, my. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif What's next?

"You know T'pal, Humans and Vulcans may not be the best friends now, but some day our planets will have to form some sort of , uh, "Federation" if we are going to be more united."

Geoschmo

[tesco samoa]

'Directive' sounds better than 'Process Improvement'

The thing I would like to know is when do all the Process Engineers get taken out and shot. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

Think of the paper trail you would need 300 years for now in creating or doing anything.

[tesco samoa]

another good star trek.

Thats two weeks in a row.

[Atrocities]

I for one like this new series, and it's appeal. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

[tesco samoa]

then you will like tonights show

[tesco samoa]

For fans of Scotty.

Look what was invented...

http://www.spiegel.de/wissenschaft/0,1518,183008,00.html

Panzerkachel schützt vor Geschossen

Dresdner Forscher haben durchsichtige und extrem harte Kacheln entwickelt. Von dem Material, aus dem sich etwa schussfeste Visiere fertigen lassen, ist auch das Pentagon fasziniert.


DPA

Durchsichtige Alu-Fliese


Amerikas Waffentechniker zeigen Interesse an einer Panzerkachel aus Dresden. Im dortigen Fraunhofer-Institut für Keramische Technologien ist es gelungen, feinkörniges Aluminiumoxid bei 1200 Grad Celsius so im Ofen zu verbacken, dass ein extrem hartes, durchsichtiges Material entsteht.
Eine 10 mal 10 Zentimeter große Platte (Stärke: 1,0 cm) wiegt nur etwa 400 Gramm, ist aber dreimal härter als gehärteter Stahl. Bei Schusstests im Auftrag des Bundeswehrbeschaffungsamtes in Koblenz seien "hervorragende Ergebnisse" erzielt worden, berichtet der Forscher Andreas Krell.

Auch im US-Staat Idaho wurden die Fliesen untersucht: Das Pentagon ist von der Transparenz des Werkstoffs fasziniert, mit dem sich schussfeste Visiere oder große Fenster von Panzerspähwagen bauen lassen.


For our english friends use http://babelfish.altavista.com/

and get
Tank page frame protects against projectiles Dresdner researchers developed transparent and extremely hard page frames. By the material, from which visors can firingfixed be manufactured, also the pentagon is fascinated. DPA Transparent aluminum tile Of America weapon technician show interest in a tank page frame from Dresden. In the there institute for Fraunhofer for ceramic technologies succeeded in baking fine-grained alumina in such a way with 1200 degrees Celsius in the furnace that an extremely hard, transparent material develops. A 10 times 10 centimeters large disk (strength: only about 400 gram weigh, are however three times harder 1.0 cm as hardened steel. With firing tests under contract of the German Federal Armed Forces from the Bundeswehr in Koblenz " outstanding results " were obtained, report the researcher Andreas Krell. Also in the US state Idaho were examined the tiles: The pentagon is fascinated of the transparency of the material, with which firingfixed of visors or large windows of armored reconnaissance vehicles can be built.

And for our Candian friends use this to view it. I link it back to this thread so you can get the real feel of it

http://buzz.ca/fun/chretien.html

[Growltigga]

sheesh, and you call my postings irrelevant

[Suicide Junkie]

<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>(from slashdot (http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/02/20/0358206&mode=thread))This isn't transparent aluminum; this is a transparent aluminum oxide. That is just not the same thing as aluminum anymore then water is Hydrogen gas, or table salt is the same thing as Sodium metal or Chlorine gas (both very harmful chemicals, sodium can explode when it comes in contact with water, and Chlorine can kill you in a few breaths, yet we eat salt all the time)

And secondly we have known about aluminum based compounds for a long time, in fact, longer then we have known about Aluminum or even about elements in general. Alum, the compound from which aluminum gets it's name (and which we extract aluminum from) has been known to man for ages and is, in fact, transparent. <hr></blockquote> <blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Bottom line is that alumina (Al2O3) and aluminum (Al) are totally different materials, so naturally they have different properties such as hardness, stiffness, transparency, etc. Alumina is what sapphires and rubies are made of. Pure alumina is clear, but the addition of color centers like chromium ions results in the color of gemstone rubies and sapphires. A search for sapphire conformal optics [google.com] will show you that making windows out of sapphire for military applications is nothing new. Just about the only thing that might be new is how they make the sapphire, but the article does not provide any details about that. Yes, sapphire is cool stuff, but it's not some magical new material. <hr></blockquote>

[dmm]

How dare you imply that Scotty would make a whale tank out of transparent alumina! Alumina (a glass or crystal) is brittle compared to aluminum (a metal), and might shatter when subjected to the stresses of time traveling in a cranky Klingon warbird. Then what would happen to humanity when the whale blubbers to the mysterious probe "Help, I feel like I've been shot with a shard cannon"?

[tesco samoa]

Star Trek Bridge Command From Activison.

The game is great.

For those who are trek fans.

Also the interface is perfect.

[Cylapse]

*laughs* Ahh tonight is the Ferengi ep, I hate their kind *LOL* I wonder how they will pull this off, doesnt sound the most interesting really.

We shall see.

[wr8th]

I liked the piggybacked episode from Last week with an appearance by the Klingons (are they perpetually constipated or what? "Ahh prune juice: a warrior's drink").

When viewing a holographic image of the Klingon Capitol, a Klingon was heard to say: "I can see my home from here!" That's right Stimpy!

[Cylapse]

That one's cool, coz TPol shows a little fooken support *LOL* I like Silent Enemy and Fortunate Son... plus both the Andorian eps rock... they are doing a good job with them.

Sometimes Malcolm and Mayweather seem like they arent cut up for the job. Mayweather has these flashes of what appears to be homosexuality *LMAO* He needs to toughen up a bit, he's a space boomer...

And Reed, well, an insecure tactical officer worries me, but I like the guy... his drunk acting wasnt the best in my opinion, but hey - he's brittish *ducks* *LMAO* I'm only kidden about the Brittish thing, I thought Bashir was the **** on DS9 (the good show...the war show).

They're good actors though, Im not bashing them. Just throwin in my 2... no, 3 cents. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

[wr8th]

I didn't think I would like this series since I couldn't stomach Voyager and didn't GAF when it went off the air.

The writing on this series is reminiscent of TNG in the 3rd-7th seasons.

If you get a chance (if it's set up that way in your time zone (mine is EST)), try watching TOS on Sci-Fi at 7PM, TNG on TNN at 8PM and ENT on UPN at 9. I did this for the first time this week and it made for some interesting comparisons in style. Although it was breaking new ground at the time, TOS looks so cheesy now. I will give Shatner credit though, he was a better actor than Janeway (ugh!). I realize I'm not complimenting Shatner so much as I'm disparaging Janeway. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

[Cylapse]

LOL, I love to get my sci-fi in chunks... I despise Voyager. When it first came out, there was a show called Nowhereman that aired before it, now that was a good show... when they cancelled it and kept that god damned Janeway on the air I boycotted UPN for years *lol*

She is awful, pure and simple. "Mr Paris, lets waste a little more time chasing down a worthless group of Ferengi for the cause of some thankless greater good, and miss our window of opertunity to go home..."

That episode enfuriated me *lol* Not to mention, 5 or so years in space in a new quadrant and nothing of real value to take home to the feds *laughs* Except maybe that Armor Tech.

The dumb *****.

Everything on Voy was a copycat from TNG or DS9...also the most politically correct BS I have ever witnessed. My preferred setup would be TOS (to laugh, it has that retro-feel and is good to watch stoned), then DS9 and ENT... DS9 speaks for itself, an actual linear story with some DEVELOPMENT *lol* Bah, Voyager... god even that word unnerves me. She was given a good looken ship and blew it totally.

Anyway... I digress. I dont have that setup, as ENT hits us up at 7pm...I usually take these days off from the girl so I can just chill at home with my bong *LOL* and a game of SEIV for the commercials..

[TerranC]

Cynapse... Lewd, Crude, Rude, But Frank.

But at least there was Year of Hell and Endgame...

[wr8th]

Re: Voyager- I almost got interested when they passed through Borg space, however although the addition of Seven of Nine made for some interesting eye candy initially, I got the feeling that rather than tightening up the scripts and acting, they chose to tighten her attire instead and shoot from camera angles that most accentuated her ample curves. Hell, I'll watch porn if porn is what I want. This only served to insult any discerning viewers' intelligence.

I'd watch TNG or TOS reruns before I'd watch a Voyager firstrun.

[Cylapse]

Yeah she was a hottie...no better than TPol is now, but yes, just eye candy...
I actually was rather irritated at the Borg play... it seems they just beat that theme to DEATH, and then a lil more for good measure...

Never saw Year of Hell, and as for Endgame... Ok... here we go... LOL

1) It was indeed nice to see them get home.
2) Talk about slapped together. Its like everything built up to a 15-second ending and we're left with that. Bah! There are too many unanswered questions.. It would have been a better 2nd or 3rd to Last episode, then showing us what happens as a result... I mean ****, Tom is still a criminal, Chakotay a renegade leader... 7 a BORG... Not to mention that Starfleet is a buncha damn beaurocrats, they are not so quick to forgive...

3) Okay, did she fly into the borg sphere? Coz that little "lets pretend to the audience that we're fleeing back to the delta quad" didnt work for me... It left me thinking "WTF Just happened... did they bLast their way out of the sphere? Would it really allow that? "Oh yeah, come on in, Janeway... but remeber that whole bit about futile resistance." *LOL*
4) It was nice to see the original Queen. For an ugly borg *****, shes actually rather hot. Also good for continuity...
5) "Sorry we didnt call ahead..." Oh GAWD, shut it off. Nothing worse than a horrible cliche to end a horrible show.

*winks* I had a whole tyraid of *****ing about Voyager, but its lunchtime, so later! *LOL*