Noob LA Game: Cataclysm - And Begin!

[Tolkien]

I'm interested in putting up another noob MP game, so...

Cataclysm

Era: Late

Map: Orania

Mod: CBM 1.41

Settings: Default+Renaming+HoF 15+Magic Sites 45

Turns: 24 hours for the first two years, 48 hours after that, and 72 hours if/when we reach the elusive endgame

Players: 14/14
Tolkien - Ulm
Frozen Lama - Utgard
Alpine Joe - Mictlan
Fakeymcfake - Marignon
Lavaere - Bogarus
Goodchild - Acroscephale
Festin - Jomon
Silence0 - Pangaea
Fantoman - Atlantis
Cicadian - Tien C'hi
P3D - Gath
IlluminatedOne - R'lyeh
OoohSnap - Midgard
Ornedan - Abysia

[Frozen Lama]

yay, more games!!

i'll take pythium

[Frozen Lama]

actually, could i change my mind? can i take utgard instead?

[Alpine Joe]

In as mictlan...hopefully i can survive into the endgame in this one.

[Lavaere]

What era were you thinking for this game anyway

[Fakeymcfake]

I'm fairly new to LA games if that counts, I'll take Marignon if you'll have me.

[Cicadian]

I would like to claim marignnon please

[Lavaere]

whoops, guess its in the thread title.
LA Rus/Bogarus if you would be so kind

[Goodchild]

I'd love to play, this will be my first MP so I'll be easy pickin's.

I'll choose Arcoscephale.

[Festin]

I'd like to play Jomon.

[Silence0]

If it's still open I would like to play carrion/black centaurs aka pan.

[Fantomen]

I´m in as LA Atlantis

[Festin]

Also, maybe we'll change the map to Cradle of Dominion, for example?

[Tolkien]

Lavaere: Ah, knew I forgot something.:o

Cicadian: can you choose another nation? Marignon was picked the post right before yours.

Festin: Cradle of Dominions is fun, but I'd like the game to be a bit more...dynamic. Cradle is a great map, but it's more defense oriented: chokepoints everywhere, lots of terrain blocks to slow down expansion and movement, and it has edges, which means people starting closer to the sides have less territory they need to worry about and defend. The Desert Eye doesn't have as many terrain roadblocks, and the wraparound helps eliminate the advantages of having an edge on the map.

I mean I can change if it the overwhelming majority are in favor, but I'd like to try out a different map.

Also: If it's at all possible, I'd like to see Ermor and R'lyeh in the game. Both Ermor and R'lyeh because it thematically fits the "Cataclysm" theme, and R'lyeh so that Atlantis doesn't have a monopoly on the sea. It's just a suggestion though: I don't want to force anyone to take a nation they hate or don't want.

[Fakeymcfake]

Ermor is somewhat shunned as far as multiplayer games go, either because they're played really well and can quickly become a powerhouse or they're quickly attacked because people know how much of a threat they can become.

R'lyeh for more or less the same reason is also rare however it is by no means as scary long term.

Anyhow, just saying you're not likely to see these nations played often.

[Tolkien]

Doesn't mean I can't suggest it. :p

[Fantomen]

Those are not very good nations for a noob game IMO.

[Cicadian]

Heh not entirely sure how I didn't see that post! In that case I'll take Tien Chi please :)

[Tolkien]

Well, we've got ten, so I think we can start deciding on the settings.

Anyone want any changes to them currently? Change of map? Difficult Research? Increased Magic Sites?

[Frozen Lama]

well I'm always a fan of increased magic sites, makes the game more interesting. oh and I rather don't like difficult research.

[Fantomen]

I vote for standard settings exept renaming on and Hall of fame 15. I wouldn´t mind graphs off either.

Maps, I vote for cradle of dominion or alexander, but orania is fine as well.

[Alpine Joe]

I would also vote for bumping magic sites to 45. It helps people reliably get the gem types they need.

other than that.......15 members of the HOF sounds right, renaming on.

[P3D]

I'd try it again as Gath.

Of course, we need a bigger map then.

[Lavaere]

one of the normal maps please. HoF 15, renaming and magic sites 45 sound nice

[Illuminated One]

If there's still space I'd like to be in as R'lyeh.

If R'lyeh isn't allowed I'll take Pythium.

[Festin]

Renaming, HoF 15 and increased magic sites are fine, and I also still suggest changing the map to the larger one, like CoD, or even Orania if we get more players.

[OoohSnap]

If there is still place I'd like to sign up as Midgard, Age of Men

[Fantomen]

So we´re 13 players now. Time to close signups and get started?

[Tolkien]

For the settings, HoF 15 is reasonable and I don't think there's anyone objecting to it. I think we're going to have to vote on Increasing Magic Sites to 45 though, because some people might object to it.

Also: for some reason, I thought Desert Eye was bigger then it actually was. I'm going to bump it up to Orania for some more territory to make it less crowded, and the same reasons I picked Desert Eye apply to it. Since the map size is now doubled, I don't think we have too much trouble fitting in a few more people, provided they still want in. If we can fit in a full game with all nations, why not?

The nations still left (to those still interested):
Man
Ermor
Agartha
Abysia
Caelum
C'tis
Patala
Pythium

[P3D]

I'd suggest difficult research for the large map (but that's me as usual).

[Tolkien]

In which case, we vote on that as well. :p So can everyone participating please yes/no:
Increased Magic Sites (to 45)
Difficult Research

[P3D]

Yes to both. 'Sites 35' would affect non-blood nations much more.

[Alpine Joe]

yes to sites 45, no to difficult research

[Fakeymcfake]

No to site increase yes to difficult research.

[Fantomen]

No to both.

[Festin]

Yes to sites, no to difficult research.

[Silence0]

Yes to sites, whatever you guys prefer for research.

[Frozen Lama]

Yes to sites, no to difficult research

[Ornedan]

I'd like to be Abysia.

And yes to sites, no to difficult research.

[OoohSnap]

Yes to Sites, no to Difficult Research

[Illuminated One]

No to difficult research.

[Tolkien]

Well, sofar:
Sites: 7 Yes, 3 No, 1 Abstain
Research: 2 Yes, 8 No, 1 Abstain.

Personally, I'd say No to sites (being a blood nation :p) and Yes to Difficult research, but I'm overruled.

So Normal Research and Increased Sites to 45.

[Tolkien]

Also: Submit your pretenders.

[Ornedan]

Victory condition? I'm assuming last man standing, but I don't see it having been stated yet.

[Tolkien]

Ah, yeah, I forgot.

Last one standing.

[Cicadian]

I suggest PMing those who have not submitted their pretenders yet so we can get this show on the road!

[Goodchild]

What is the best way to send him my pretender? I cannot find a way to do it here on the forum.

[Tolkien]

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showpost.php?p=529316&postcount=2

Basically create your pretender god, send the file to pretenders@llamaserver.net with the game name in the title, and you're set.

If you're using a Vista and can't find the 2h files, go to C:\Users\<insert user name>\AppData\Local\VirtualStore\Program Files\dominions3\savedgames\newlords

[Lavaere]

Last man standing or last team if they formed an alliance and agree to end.

[Goodchild]

Thanks Tolkien, I got mine in now.

[P3D]

If we have the alliance clause could we limit alliances to two nations?

[Fantomen]

You mean maximum 2 nations sharing the victory? I agree.

Wouldn´t want to limit alliances diring the game though, just the winning condition.

[Cicadian]

Seems to be a slight problem in that there are 14 slots on the llamaserver game but only 13 people signed up. We can either get another player or add an AI I guess.

[Fantomen]

The game can be started anyway, leftover slots just aren´t used.

[Tolkien]

Well we're missing a pretender from Midgard. I sent him a PM so hopefully we can get this going by tonight.

[Festin]

Maybe we should find another player, or start with 13?

[Fantomen]

I sent him a pm now.

I vote that we start with 13 tomorrow if he doesn´t send his pretender or report back.

[OoohSnap]

Sorry I was out yesterday, I am sending my pretender right now

[Ornedan]

Looks like someone else already went and submitted a Caelum pretender. Whomever it is doesn't seem to have posted here, though.

[OoohSnap]

Seems I am really late :(, never mind guys good luck and have fun

[Ornedan]

I wouldn't mind a restart to let OoohSnap in. It was rather rude of the Caelum player to take his place.

[Tolkien]

Well I've unstarted the game.

[Tolkien]

Go ahead and submit OoohSnap.

[Ornedan]

Yay, the Caelum asshåle grabbed the slot again. Ban time, I hope?
Assuming the automated pretender submission system drops files sent to a full game, it might be best for OoohSnap to send his pretender file directly to llamabeast, so it can be swapped in immediately after Caelum is removed.

[Fantomen]

First time I´ve seen something like that... Someone who found the llamaserver independantly of the forums?

I suppose Llamabeast could swap the files manually, did anyone pm him?

Edit: I did.

[Fantomen]

Hey Tolkien. Have you noticed the "delete pretender" button under "admin options" on the llamaserver. You can just delete the caelum pretender and hopefully Ooohsnap gets in before that slot robber comes back.

[llamabeast]

Indeed Fantomen, I was just about to post that. You can handle this with the admin options. Just delete Caelum's pretender. If you're worried that he might be faster than Ooohsnap to submit it again, you could:

1) Increase the number of pretenders allowed (by at least two so the game won't autostart if Caelum resubmits).
2) Wait till Ooohsnap has sent his pretender in.
3) Delete Caelum's pretender again if necessary
4) Start the game.

Sorted.

Funny problem though! If you wanted you could change the "Message of the day" for your game to say something explaining the situation to the Caelum player, so he knows what's going on!

[Fantomen]

Can you increase the max number of players without having to recreate the game entirely? It will take much longer if everyone has to resubmit their pretenters.

[OoohSnap]

Sorry for the delay, but I get the message that the game is already full when I tried to submit my pretender....

Seems that the Caelum guy grabbed the slot before me again :S

[Illuminated One]

Lol.

I say let Caelum in and everyone gang up on him at the start. :D

[Fantomen]

Not a bad idea...:tough:

[llamabeast]

Fantomen: Yes, of course. You can do everything that I could think of that you might want to do, with the sole exception that you can't change the era of a game. It should be about one minute's work for the admin to sort everything out, then you just have to wait for OoohSnap's pretender again.

[OoohSnap]

I am waiting for a slot because I can't upload my pretender it gets sent back to my mail :|

[Ornedan]

OoohSnap: In the interest of getting this started soon, you could send your pretender file & email address to Tolkien via PM. Then Tolkien can boot Caelum, submit your nation, set correct email for it and start game in one atomic transaction :p

This does require trusting Tolkien to not take advantage of the situation, but if the admin is not trustworthy then we're all screwed anyway.

[OoohSnap]

Sure no problem, I'll do it right now

[Tolkien]

Well, Cataclysm is finally running. After an odd encounter with a nameless Caelum player, we're on track.

OoohSnap, have you received your turn file? Just making sure you got it. :p

[OoohSnap]

Nevermind, just received my resent turn file and playing just fine~

[Alpine Joe]

I just got the reminder email for turn two but I have yet to receive my turn file from llamaserver. is this a bug? Or has it happened to anyone else? Help would be greatly appreciated.

[Lavaere]

wait what, ain't we still waiting to finish the first turn

[Alpine Joe]

Never mind, my mistake

[Cicadian]

It'd be cool if the last person to submit their turn could then send in the next one as well. This helps keep the game moving at a reasonable pace, especially when turns only take 2 min.

[Fantomen]

Agreed.

[Cicadian]

Frozen Llama: Have you been getting my PMs? I'm not sure if they're sending properly.

[Frozen Lama]

lol.

I'm such a noob, i wasn't even sure how i was going to phrase this..... its nothing personal, i just wanted to try being a rusher in a game once.

Giants aren't known for their literary skills. (ever tried holding a pencil with giant hands?) but anyway, we are sending back the head of your messanger for being a puny human.

or if you want giant-speak:

wAAAAAAAAg!!!!! big giants eat puny man-sheep.

[Cicadian]

Well I'm not sure there's a lot I can do against your n9/e9 giants. I shall fight to the bitter end however!

Also, anyone who wants to attack Utgard while they're distracted with me will be amply rewarded if I survive!

[Tolkien]

Woodsmen, eh? That's a tricky one to take down early game. I could give you some advice, if you give me more details on your research and mages. :p

I'd go with Armor of Achillies/Destruction+Masses of Composite Bows/Horsemen (for charge), with Lightning Bolts, Mind Burns, Sleep, Sailor's Death, False Fetters, Shadow Bolts, Mossbody, etc. It really depends on what you can do with magic.

You can also go with Pikes and Terror Spam. If you're up against Giants, pikes are the quintessential chaff/frontline, thanks to repel.

[Frozen Lama]

oh thats cold Tolkien. lol :)

[Redeyes]

You can also go with Pikes and Terror Spam. If you're up against Giants, pikes are the quintessential chaff/frontline, thanks to repel.
Against everything but n9 bless, 8gold pikeneers might demolish giants who don't have it but berserk makes them destroy pikeneers at a near perfect ratio ;)

[Tolkien]

Ah, forgot about the berserk...PIkemen still work wonders against non-berserking giants.

In which case, stick with the Composite Bows and Horsemen/Ancestor Vessels for the Woodsmen: the goal here is basically to deal as much damage as possible, and them zerking certainly doesn't help their defense value.

Also FL: It's not cold, it's heat. :p

[Frozen Lama]

Also FL: It's not cold, it's heat.

Not in TC right now! my prophet is making it VERY cold there.

wAAAAAAAAAAg!!!

[Tolkien]

Touche.
:P

[Cicadian]

The problem with magic based counters is it is turn 7. I didn't count on getting rushed this early!

[Tolkien]

Well, you're honestly going to need some sort of magic to counter his bless-rush.

I've been suggesting some relatively research-easy counters: levels 1-3. You're in all honesty going to need alot of horsemen and ancestor vessels and composite bows to take him out without some magic.

[Cicadian]

Recruiting is a touch hard when your capital is under siege. I really didn't expect to get rushed this early. It was just extremely bad luck that I ended up right next to one of the few bless-rushers of LA and he wasn't interested in talking.

[Tolkien]

In which case, there's not much I can say. Just sit there, conjure whatever you can, and hope for the best. :(

[Illuminated One]

Poor poor Arco.

I though I could play mad and frightening R'lyeh but it turned out more mad and comical. :)
And now the oppurtunity is taken by others.

[P3D]

Anyways, thanks from Gath for weakening Arco ;)

[Tolkien]

I think it's about time for me to bump up hosting to 48 hours, though hopefully turns come in sooner then that.

[Fakeymcfake]

48 hours already? We're not even at turn 20 yet. Give it a bit longer at least, I can still knock off my turns in 5-10 minutes.

[Alpine Joe]

I agree, lets leave hosting a bit shorter for now, as turns are still pretty short.

[Illuminated One]

I have no problem either way.

[Festin]

24 is ok for me for a few next turns at least.

[Fantomen]

I vote for keeping it at 24h until turn 25 or so at least.

[Frozen Lama]

AAR's/roleplaying are ok right? trying to start a trend here. lol:


wAAAAAAAAAAAAg!!!!!!!!! has spread to the halls of the Barbarian Kings. The giants of Utgard revel amongst the plunder of those gilded halls.

And across the lands of Utgard, a cry went up "victory for Frozen Lama, and victory for the wAAAAAAAAAAAAg!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

..........And in the dark keep of Utgard, massive shadowed eyes looked for its next victim....... for the wAAAAAg must grow, and that means war...

[Tolkien]

Alright, I'll switch it back to 24 hours next turn.

Also: of course!


From the highest towers of the ruined keep, the Impaler watches. A great storm looms on the horizon, and the Iron Inquisition awaits it's onset. As giants of frost and chaos gather upon the borders of the Black Forest, her people arm themselves for war. Awakened from their long slumbers, ancient counts of Ulm flock to her banner. From the ruined keep, the horrific ghouls, damned men, issue forth to feast upon the flesh of the living, and the dead. The Impaler watches...and waits.

[Illuminated One]

Sice Tien Chi is death you might want to forcehost this turn, I think llamaserver only gets that one turn after.

[Frozen Lama]

Tolkien: can i assume you taking prov 62 is an act of war? i haven't attacked you at all, so for once i'm not the agressor. lolz

The great giants are not to be trifled with, they have tasted man-flesh and hunger for more. if the walking rotton corpses of ulm wish to die, Utgard will provide for them. they hunger for men, living or dead does not matter to them. wAAAAAAAAAAg!!!!!!!!!! is for this world and the next.

[Tolkien]

I already PMed you on that: I stated you could have 52, but not 62 (mostly because it was right next to my capital (as you could have been able to discern).

Not my fault giants kill the messengers. :p

But if it comes down to war: I'm ready. I've got enough rangers and guardians and pikemen and magic to take out a decent sized army of woodsmen (50, I've tested. :p ): not to mention regular giants. I don't think one province is enough cause to permanently weaken yourself and embroil yourself into a hopeless war against the best anti-sacred-rusher-nation in the game.

[Frozen Lama]

yeah, giants are not good with messangers, since i apparently missed that memo. :)
cool with me though. 62 is yours.

or, to be in character:

huh? puny humans waving little glowing sticks at Utgard? we crush them!! oh, they are puny giant-killing glowing sticks? ok fine, puny humans stay alive for now...

[Tolkien]

Happens to the best of us.;)

[Lavaere]

Well thats two nice sites I found. Castle Arcanum and Tower of Silver. Which I've never seen before.

[Festin]

We keep receiving quite cryptic and disturbing messages from R'lyeh, which don't even seem to be intended for us... Maybe it's just R'lyeh being R'lyeh.

[Tolkien]

Lavaere: I've seen Castle Arcanum before: never tower of silver.

Festin: same. :p

[Lavaere]

Yeah I like mages and those two gave me three new mages to play with. Exspecially since I'm Bogarus and I'll be needing them sooner or later.

Yeah and those R'lyeh messages get annoying after awhile.

[Fakeymcfake]

Well, I'm glad to know that I'm not the only one getting the odd message or two from the nutty fish folk.

[Tolkien]

Castle Arcanum is really nice. A magical thug chassis (depending on the randoms), great magic variety and research on those wizards, and the castle is nice and strong. What kind of mages does Silver Tower give?

Personally though, I'd rather have found the Hidden Kingdom of Elludia. 2S1D+1ESDB mage and a awesome ethereal assassin (the mages is better, though). Plus 3S1D income and a Mountain Citadel. That find made Kailasa into both a blood and death nation, that SP game. ^_^

[Ornedan]

I've put Abysia to AI. Didn't have enough time to do my turns lately and the situation doesn't look recoverable after staling several mage recruitment turns away. I'd have to start a war with either Atlantis or Gath to get anywhere and only chance I'd have against either with my build would be to overwhelm with fire evocations.

I think my strategy of lesser horror rush expansion might have worked elsewhere on that map, but my neigboring bless rushers got me boxed in early. Especially Atlantis, who used sailing to grab the channel crossing provinces. And lesser horrors would fail badly against Assartut's magic weapons, so I couldn't exactly start a war right then.

[Fantomen]

Sorry to hear that Omedan, I did not mean to ruin your expansion. Hope to see you in other games.

I would like a pause over the weekend after the upcoming turn from friday afternoon to sunday night. This is because I´ve been invited to the countryside where there is no internet. I could try to get someone to cover for me I guess.

Also I decided to make a AAR for this game, You can read it here (http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?t=43059).

[Tolkien]

How long do you need, a 24 or a 48 hour delay?

[Fantomen]

Well the current turn is already sent and I will get the next one in before I leave. So the turn I need a delay for is the one supposed to host saturday night. A 24h delay, until sunday night, would do.

[Fantomen]

Scratch that, I don´t need a delay after all.

[Frozen Lama]

wow, 3 stales that turn... are you guys ok?

[Fakeymcfake]

Eh, sometimes it sneaks up on people.

Oh and I'm in the market for a water booster, an air booster, and an earth booster. Can pay in gold, fire, air or favours yet to be named. PM with offers.

[Tolkien]

Well, the turn apparently hosted in midday, instead of in the evening like I'm use to.

I'm going to delay the turn by a couple 12 hours so it doesn't happen again.

:0

[Lavaere]

Didn't have much time yesterday. So what happens today, I wake up check my e-mail and learn I missed it by about 10 minutes.

[Fantomen]

Oohsnap seems about to stale again, third time in a row.

Oohsnap, I think you should make a statement as to whether you want to go on or go AI.

[Fantomen]

Well played Illuminated one:D Quite a challenge!

So R´lyeh managed to time perfectly when most of my troops are out of the water. Then he casts Sea of ice and launches the assault on both fronts. I have no way of dispelling it so I guess I´m doomed to loose the seas.

So R´lyeh will dominate the seas unless someone wants to help me out. I beleive I´m stronger than him if I could only get down there:D However that advantage wont last long...

We all know what a LA R´lyeh unchallenged in the waters means for the game so I hereby officially invite all other nations to unite against the aliens. PM me to start the conspiracy.:evil:

[Frozen Lama]

Utgard would be willing to help contribute gems for dispel to Atlantis if they can cast it in exchange for hammers?

on another note:

The wAAAAAAAAg!!!!!!! cannot be stopped! TC has fallen, and now the giants axes dismember the mighty trees, and soon, the world!
wAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAg!!!!!

[Illuminated One]

What? We've always supposed that people who cry wAAAAAg every two seconds and dismember the world understand us ... a little? :D

[Frozen Lama]

the problem you see, is the tentacles. giants HATE tentacles. except as sushi that is.

[Frozen Lama]

I will be gone tomorrow thru Sunday.
since that would be a long delay, Trumanator will be subbing in for me. This shouldn't be a huge problem, but if you need to get a message to Utgard, PM Trumanator till Sunday.

[Silence0]

Utgard is mighty indeed..As soon as the little ones started invading the old forests and behold here comes bogus and his merry men to his aid..not to mention a pillaging horde of barbarians..Oh well never let your key provinces under-patrolled:doh:

[Festin]

I'll be out of town tomorrow, is it possible to postpone hosting the turn after the current one until Friday?

[Tolkien]

Sure.

[Illuminated One]

That's a lot less madmen demanding wages from me.
A good defense of the fortress.

[Tolkien]

Well we've hit turn 25, so I think it's about time to switch turns to 48 hours.

[Fantomen]

Why not put it to another vote? I like fast paced games myself and I still do my turns in less than 15 minutes.

[Alpine Joe]

Yeah I vote to keep it at 24. My turns are still pretty short, even with Mictlan's extra micromanagement. :)

[Fakeymcfake]

I'm all for 24 still.

[Tolkien]

Hmm, must be the map then. :p

[Trumanator]

FrozenLama isn't back yet, but for Utgard the turns are starting toget a little long. Maybe hold off on a decision till Sunday?

[Fantomen]

That's a lot less madmen demanding wages from me.
A good defense of the fortress.

I´ll need to do a lot better than that if I want to stay in the water for long, with all that free chaff you have.:D

Damn alien scum! You enslaved our people once, you will not succeed again. The atlantians are back to claim what was once theirs! You made the sea into ice, but remember that ice is our element rather than yours. The ice on which you walk with your slimy tentacles is thin, so very thin.

[Frozen Lama]

Utgard has returned!!! now to finish chopping down the forest.

[Tolkien]

So, want to extend the turns to 48 hours Utgard?

[Frozen Lama]

i'm fine for now. i like the fast pace, but i will go with 48 if people need it. i'd rather wait longer and not have people staling than fast paced and lots of stales.

[Festin]

I have to ask one again to postpone hosting the turn after the current one until Wednesday.

[Tolkien]

Once again: sure.

[Frozen Lama]

*enters human underling*
"sire, Ulm is attacking!!"

"huh? puny humans killed our skratti? they will not submit to the wAAAAg? then it is death for those dummys!!"

across the lands, giants cry in rage at this unprovoked attack, and gear up for a fight, for war, for death, and for revenge....

.....and deep within the fortress of Utgard, the norna wisper of a new weapon that they shall unleash against the tratorous humans and their undead slaves.

the great nation of Utgard mobilizes all its forces, to answer the call for battle, for this is TOTAL WAR!!!

[Tolkien]

It was dark and dim all day. From the sunless dawn until evening the heavy shadow deepened, and all hearts in the city were oppressed. Far above a great cloud streamed slowly westward from the Black Land, devouring light, borne upon a wind of war; but below the air was still and breathless, as if all the Vale of [Utgard] waited the onset of a ruinous storm.

It is now, that the Impaler, Valery Dracul, announces the beginning of the Grand Crusade: a coalition of nations whose goal shall be to put an end, once and for all, to the frozen menace of Utgard. All are invited to join in the final partition of Utgard and the liberation of Pangaea and Tien Chi.

Sorry, Lama, but you are growing way too fast and large, and we have no choice but to protect our long term interests. :p

For now, all I shall say is that R'lyeh, Pangaea, and I are in this, till the bitter end (or in R'lyeh's case, until he is forced from the surface). :o

[Tolkien]

Also: I'd say it's almost time to switch to 48 hours (or at least 36 hours). I have learned that coordinating an alliance between nations is time consuming.

[Frozen Lama]

Alas for the ever-inevitable dogpile.

on the bright side, i at least have a fighting chance against sea of iced R'lyeh, crippled Pan and Ulm

*in character*
wAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAg!!!!!!! no matter how many foes cometh, the giants shall prevail. we shall stack the bodies of our foes upon each other until we can make a mighty fortress with them. then we shall eat it!! the wAAAAAg is inexorable, and all will fall eventually, Ulm and Pan just a little sooner than most.

*out of character*
to Gath and Bogarus, and any other nations interested.
if your interested in some easy territories, Ulm's eastern border is pretty much barren, and is open for the taking by any power looking to expand easily.

[Illuminated One]

My Email provider is down, can the turn be delayed by 24 hours please.

[Tolkien]

I've already got NAP-3s with them, and they are currently embroiled in a war between themselves.

Also: yes.

[Fantomen]

I found out I will be going to Kenya the 8th of June to 8th of July. I´ve posted a thread looking for a sub so i hope I get one before then.

Also we´re cancelling our NAP 3 with Gath, it will go out of effect on turn 31.

[Tolkien]

Interesting turn of events.

And Lama, I wouldn't count the Grand Crusade out just yet. You underestimate the power of mah 1337 politiking skillz.
:p

[Frozen Lama]

I certainly would never discount Ulm's skill in deceit.

I'm counting on people's intelligence to realize that I can ruin almost all my neighbors empires even if I do go down eventually in which case you will have the same problem, only with Gath this time, and you will have fallen far behind in your nation-building.

[Tolkien]

However, it is better to put down the gorilla in the room while you still have the opportunity to do so, then to allow him to grow to King Kong proportions. Then we would require a beauty to slay the beast, and being we are all playing Dominions 3, it doesn't seem likely.

:p

[Frozen Lama]

But in true giant tradition, Utgard will go down swinging, and take down many nations with it whilst the few nations that remain untouched by the devastation will grow and prosper and then fall upon their exhausted neighbors who so valiently allied to take down the giants, yet weakened themselves irreversably in the act. Thus, the ones who stay out of the war shall win.

[Tolkien]

Unless not enough persons are willing to join the coalition, in which case Utgard wins over large tracts of land and thus are set to win the game completely and utterly.

[P3D]

I found out I will be going to Kenya the 8th of June to 8th of July. I´ve posted a thread looking for a sub so i hope I get one before then.

Also we´re cancelling our NAP 3 with Gath, it will go out of effect on turn 31.

No problem, I just made peace with Bogarus.
As a note, The NAP3 would be still valid in the 31st turn.
First combat orders could be issued in the 32nd.

[P3D]

May I ask for a rollback?

I updated my turn with the wrong file, so my armies kept attacking Bogarus instead of withdrawing.

[Tolkien]

Well, I'm rather hesitant about doing that and all. If enough people say yes, then yes. Rolling back hurts pretty badly (or helps, depending on who you're talking to).

[Fakeymcfake]

Sorry but I gotta be against a rollback. My last turn was extremely lucky in terms of random happenings.

Also, curse you people for getting all the mercenaries killed off when I could use them and have the spare cash to spend on them.

[Lavaere]

OK I haven't seen the turn yet, but as Bogarus I don't care that much.

So lets keep the ball rolling

[Illuminated One]

I wouldn't mind a rollback.

[Silence0]

This turn didn´t go well..but then again in my present state what turn does? Unless the parties involved are heavily damaged it´s best to just move forward..

[Fantomen]

I would benefit from a rollback due to unlucky events, Bogus seiged my capital this turn:D

But I´m against it anyway, I don´t think mistakes motivates rollbacks.

[Frozen Lama]

If bogarus says its ok to keep going there is absolutely zero reason for a rollback.

[Tolkien]

Yeah, I'm going to host the turn now.

[Tolkien]

I'm going to have to delay the turn hosting by 24 hours: I can't sent in the turn at the moment.

[Festin]

Jomon will buy some gems for gold, preferably fire and astral, earth, nature and death are also needed. Please PM if interested.

[Fakeymcfake]

Note to Self: Kill off Jomon's gold income.

[Frozen Lama]

The great giant of Utgard flails around, enemies surrounding him on all sides, but he keeps fighting. so many are dead around him, countless dryads, unending ranger chaff, lobo gaurds, starspawn, pikemen, there is no end, and they keep coming. now jaguar warriors join them, but still Utgard cannot die. The Skratti arm themselves and set out to destroy the world. Pangea is crippled, Ulm is falling fast, and Mictlan shall be next. the wAAAAAAg cannot die.

[Tolkien]

I'm setting the hosting now to 48 hours. It's already turn 32, for Pete's sake. I at least am feeling the pinch.

[Fakeymcfake]

I'm setting the hosting now to 48 hours. It's already turn 32, for Pete's sake. I at least am feeling the pinch.

AWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW...


...shucks

[Illuminated One]

Mictlan!
On whose side are you?!?

[Fakeymcfake]

I (Marignon) am in the market for astral pearls. I can pay in air, nature, or gold (lotsa gold). If you want I'm also open to other deals (I have minor amounts of all the other gems types but I'll only be able to trade a few of each) or if you want items made (construction 6, most paths cept death/nature) PM me and we can work something out.

[Illuminated One]

I think Fantomen is gone, without finding a sub.
We should try again or set Atlantis to AI, it's still a to good position to be just left undefended imo.
Alternatively can someone dispel sea of ice? ;)

[Fakeymcfake]

Alternatively can someone dispel sea of ice? ;)

Heheh, locked the door and forgot the key eh?

Also, we should probably look for a replacement, but we'd have to either delay hosting or get Gath to stop gobbling up land so that if/when we find a replacement he doesn't have an army of giants beating down his doors.

Edit: I just looked at the stalling data and Atlantis hasn't missed a turn yet.

[Tolkien]

I'll postpone the hosting for two days, and search for a replacement, like right now.

Also if he happens to come back, all the better.

[P3D]

Gath can limit offensive actions against Atlantis if necessary.

[Fakeymcfake]

Alright so are we still looking for a sub for Fant? Because while I do have an NAP with them I won't be sitting back and watching Gath grow fat on unguarded lands without taking my own portion.

[Tolkien]

Well, haven't found a sub for Fanto.

Guess that means I'll set him to AI. I'll give him 48 more hours to submit his turn: if not, it's AI for him.

[Illuminated One]

She is on vacation I believe, so you might as well set Atlantis to AI now.

[Fantomen]

Sorry folks, I´ve been unable to participate. Too much stress regarding the trip and other stuff. I´ll set myself AI now since no sub as emerged from the depths of the fora.

Again, a hundred excuses for your inconvenience.

Fantomen.

[Fakeymcfake]

No worries Fant, see you in another game.

[Tolkien]

It's cool.

[Alpine Joe]

Could I get a 12 hour delay on this turn hosting? I thought I sent my turn in, but I'm at work now and my email says that I haven't. This is a pretty important turn for me....

Although this is a last minute request so I guess i'll have to live with the consequences of no rollback.

[Alpine Joe]

Never mind, had someone send the turn file from home :)

[Festin]

Damn, a final part of my evil plan was foiled by Marignon PD, of all people.

[Tolkien]

Hmm, Illwinter...

This calls for slightly-more-then-usual drastic action!

[Fakeymcfake]

Damn, a final part of my evil plan was foiled by Marignon PD, of all people.

HA, they're a tough lot aren't they? In anycase I should thank you, that last battle cleared up a lot of my income for mages and what-have-you. Large armies are getting somewhat cumbersome early this game eh?

[Frozen Lama]

Utgard is now playing spoiler.

[Illuminated One]

R'lyeh sells:

Skull Standard
Main Gauche of Parrying
Payments accepted in Items, Gems or Gold. Prices negotiable.

Send me a PM if interested.

[Tolkien]

The Looming Hell eh?

The blood nation's Stellar Focus. :p

[Frozen Lama]

What?
ummm i don't get gems from looming hell....?

but it can certainly be a lot of fun. lol.

[Tolkien]

By that I mean it's used to take up a global slot cheaply. I can be pretty vague sometimes. :x

[Illuminated One]

Would you be opposed to switching to a 72h schedule?

[Fakeymcfake]

I would at the moment (be against that is). Still getting turns off in a couple hours tops, even while fighting two wars (granted one is against the AI).

[Alpine Joe]

I would also be against changing the interval. Even with the micromanagement of all my blood hunters I still find turns take less than an hour to complete.

[Frozen Lama]

By that I mean it's used to take up a global slot cheaply. I can be pretty vague sometimes. :x

oh ok, then yeah your right. :P

and i'm against 72h, but if it's that or a nation staling, i'd do it.

[Tolkien]

Hmm, that turn didn't turn out as I expected. Apparently your Werewolves with Frost Brands are able to kill Horrors. :( Didn't see that coming.

[Frozen Lama]

yeah, horrors do not like frost brands.... :)

[Tolkien]

If only I summoned a Doom Horror on you. :(

Time to brainstorm a new strategy.

[Frozen Lama]

you could always surrender? ;)

[Tolkien]

Like you would give me back my lands (all of them). :p

[Frozen Lama]

well i might let you keep a few provinces on the gath border...... but not your cap, gotta kill the stupid vamps.

[Tolkien]

And that's a no.

[Illuminated One]

Curse those battle replay bugs.
I want to know if I killed giants or chaff.

[Frozen Lama]

wAAAAAAAAg! Utgard cannot be stopped! bow before our giant's might!!!

no actually Tolkein, i'm suprised that my 20mr BL took that much punishment.

[Tolkien]

Well, time to throw in the towel. Two (or was it three?) stales in a row hurt, and I'm not going to be able to really do much in my present condition. I'm setting myself to AI and sent all my magic gems and items (I have quite a stash of astral and death gems) over to Mictlan so he may continue his war.

I probably should've attacked earlier, like when you were first invading Pangaea, or way back when Tien Chi was still around. But in any event, concede I say!

Also, I'll be gone from the 28th to 18th with uncertain access to the internet, so I think it's best if someone else takes up the admining of the game.

[Frozen Lama]

`just to point out, i'm pretty sure Mictlan is not fighting anyone ATM. we've been at peace for quite a while.

[Tolkien]

Well, nobody informed me. :x

Ah well, what's done is done.

[Illuminated One]

Lol. Anyone not at war with R'lyeh?
And who the **** is Orion? He's no right to occupy the HoF without a single kill.

[rdonj]

Isn't that the eternal knight mercenary leader?

[Illuminated One]

Thanks, yeah that must be it.

[Fakeymcfake]

I'll take over admin if no one else wants to. Just send me the admin password.

[Fakeymcfake]

As your new Admin overlord I expect you all to bow down to my greatness and if you have need of a delay or whatever PM me because I rarely check the threads unless I plan on badgering another player or engage in diplomacy, which is more or less the same thing if you think about it.

[P3D]

I need a 36-hour extension due to overseas travel - I should be able to access emails regularly so I don't need a sub.

[Fakeymcfake]

if you have need of a delay or whatever PM me because I rarely check the threads

It'll be done P3D but yeah, future reference PM me to be on the safe side.

[Illuminated One]

2 things - still everyone against a longer hosting time?
And Midgard should be subbed or set to AI he will stale for the 13th time now.

[Frozen Lama]

Well i'm against Midgard going AI, i'd like to find a sub. he has a lot of forces on my border just sitting there for most of the game, but we have a peace treaty. if he goes AI, it will suck.

[Alpine Joe]

Well I also wouldn't like an AI midgard for the same reasons as FrozenLlama, but i don't have a lot of confidence we'll find a sub.

Also i'm still against a longer hosting interval, but will of course be fine with what the majority decides.

[Fakeymcfake]

I'm attempting to contact Ooohsnap, we'll figure out what to do from there. And I'm fine with the current turnover time however I'll go with the majority decision.

[Fakeymcfake]

Going to delay the game a couple of days as I'm moving. Probably won't need that long but with moving who knows.

[chrispedersen]

I've agreed to sub for Illuminated One.
But nothing has happened, Im' imagining its because Fakey is moving?

In the meantime, if people would like to tell me their relations to Ryleh; game information such as Royals summoned - much appreciated.

[Frozen Lama]

sorry to say it guys, but I will be going on vacation from the 16th to the 25th of this month. I intend to try and find a sub, but I'm just posting here to let you guys know. hopefully someone with some experience shows up to take over for Utgard.

[Fakeymcfake]

Alright, subbed you in Chris. Let me know when you find a guy Lama and I'll switch that too.

[chrispedersen]

I just got the position on the LA-R. My I have a 24 hour delay to submit the turn?

Also, I will be out of town Sat/Sunday, so I'm hoping we can extend the time for that turn as well.

Thanks!

[Fakeymcfake]

Next turn is already due 18:00 GMT Friday, if that isn't time enough let me know. I'll also delay the turn after that until late monday.

[chrispedersen]

Yes please, I spent until 3am working on the turn, but I need to put another 3-4 hours on it.

So a 6-12 hour extension appreciated...

[chrispedersen]

Every so often, it would just be great if the combat results *I* saw, were the ones that actually occured.

Fighting blind.

[Frozen Lama]

redownload CBM

[Fakeymcfake]

Having that odd "Report said one thing but the battle played out different" thing again Chris?

[chrispedersen]

yes, pretty much every turn.

and yeah, I have redownloaded mods... bleh.

[P3D]

I ask for another 24hr extension.

[chrispedersen]

hey, I uploaded my turn yesterday, but I see it hasn't posted.. will be 2 hours before I can get home.

Can we delay 2 hours?

[Fakeymcfake]

I'm going to be out of town for the weekend so I'm delaying the game. If everyone is able to get their turn in today I'll delay the next turn, otherwise I'll have to delay this one.

[chrispedersen]

Can I get a 6 hr delay. I've been called into work.

[Silence0]

hi all.. i´ll be going AI next turn..It was a fun first game even when i was being completely overrun by utgard.. good luck to all and see you around

[P3D]

I'd not really like to ask for a rollback, but now I do. Second in a row, I stale despite submitting a turn. First due to the server move, second due to some unknown reason.

[P3D]

Eh, ignore above.

[Frozen Lama]

I am back from vacation. I can now reassume control of Utgard. Of course, when i was looking for subs, i said that if any of the subs got really attatched to the nations, they could keep it, so if Agema wants to keep it, just say so. otherwise switch me over.

[Fakeymcfake]

Alright, as far as a rollback goes I'm willing to consider it however I want to hear from the other players before I do anything since this affects everyone. If any player has a reason not to want a roll back you have 48 hours to voice your opinion.

Frozen Llama, work out with your sub if you are going to take over Utgard again then let me know (and send me your email so I can switch you back over if that's the case).

Other than that, I (Marignon) am in the market for astral and death gems, I have a healthy quantity of all other gem types.

[P3D]

I was not clear apparently. I withdraw my request for rollback, no need to slow the game down.
However, could we increase turn time to 60 or 72hrs?

[Fakeymcfake]

Alright, scratch the rollback, whomever doesn't want the turns lengthened state so here, you've 60 hours to reply (delaying game so that it'll be 60 hours)

[Frozen Lama]

I'm good with 72. SOOO much better than having one of the top nations stale.

Fakey- i'm waiting to hear from Agema, when i do, i will PM you

[Alpine Joe]

I would prefer that the turn time not be raised to 60 hours, if it is longer than two days I tend to lose focus a bit.

I will of course accept the will of the majority, however.

[chrispedersen]

I too would just rather allow delays whenever requested.

[Fakeymcfake]

Well on the topic of delays I'm going to be gone for the August long weekend. So from this friday to tuesday I'll need to delay the game since it's really not worth finding a replacement for just one turn.

And it looks like it's 2 on 2 as far as more time goes, so I'll cast the tie-breaker and switch it to 60 hours.