Mists of Time: Early Era Game [full]

[Stretch]

Thanks for subbing in and getting this game back on the road, Demon.

[Lingchih]

Amonchakad is back, and ready to take Hinnom back over. Please reset him to be the player.

thanks

[shard]

Tien Chi is interested in trading for nature, air, death and virgins. We can offer the other gems 1:1 or base a deal on crafting items.

[DakaSha]

Looking for Horror Helmet will trade nature gems

[thejeff]

I haven't received the latest turn. No idea why. Mail seems to be working fine.

Can it be resent?

[Amonchakad]

Just click on "Request turn resend" on the game page.

[thejeff]

How did I miss that.

Thanks. It worked.

[Sambo]

Lanka will be gone for a bit, and is looking for a temporary sub for a week. (http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?t=43578)

Any takers, send me a PM!

[TheDemon]

Caelum is buying death gems, will trade air, water or astral 1:1. PM me.

[DakaSha]

is this going to be postponed or what?

[Amonchakad]

I've got a small delay and I'm no longer sure I'll be at home before hosting time. A delay of just 2 hours would be greatly appreciated.

[Firewalker]

I've got a small delay and I'm no longer sure I'll be at home before hosting time. A delay of just 2 hours would be greatly appreciated.

Apologies for not getting to the board and seeing your request in time. I was asleep this morning. Working night shifts every couple days messes a person up a bit.

[Firewalker]

is this going to be postponed or what?

Baalz has swooped in to save the day.

[DakaSha]

lol baalz playing in our newb game ^^

[DakaSha]

btw could we set the hosting time to 48 hours? or is it already and im dumb?

[Baalz]

lol baalz playing in our newb game ^^


Heh, I'm just gonna follow the plan Sambo laid out for a couple of turns so credit or blame remains with him.

[Amonchakad]

I've got a small delay and I'm no longer sure I'll be at home before hosting time. A delay of just 2 hours would be greatly appreciated.

Apologies for not getting to the board and seeing your request in time. I was asleep this morning. Working night shifts every couple days messes a person up a bit.

It's ok, I know that I gave you very few time. Oh well, one missed turn wont kill me...yet;)

[Firewalker]

btw could we set the hosting time to 48 hours? or is it already and im dumb?

We've been on 48hr timer for a few turns now already ...

[DakaSha]

strangr my time perception must be off. it seems to go so fast

[shard]

Welcome Baalz.

I have a feeling most of the players here owe their strategies to you!

I'd also like to request a 4hr extension - i'm out of town this weekend and might be back late.

[TwoBits]

The vultures have gathered in the West. While their god's will is absent (OOC: I'm pretty sure they staled last turn, someone might want to look into that), the flesh of the Ermorians is offered up to their ravenous beaks.

The feast should be finished soon. And whither shall the hungry ones turn their attention next?

In the East, other tidings of war and bloodshed are heard, and rumors of mighty alliances.

So who will feel the dripping blade of fate next? Well, know that the Children of the Forests, and their great goddess, the terrible Queen Pony, Mistress of the Wood, will not go into the Long Night easily. We have the means to defend ourselves well, even if we must stand alone against many. And verily, we might be destroyed, but we swear to extract such a toll that the living will envy the dead!

Would it not be better to court us than to clash with us? If you woo the Dark Lady, you will find her a most useful ally, and the dwellers in the trees have many resources that a true friend would find useful. Who will prove a worthy consort to the Mistress of Terror? We await your reply through the usual lines of communication...

Sincerely, Pangaea

[thejeff]

Ermor has in fact staled the last two turns. He attacked Abysia, got swatted down and is currently being overrun.

Should he be set to AI, so that the armies at least move?

[Firewalker]

Ermor has in fact staled the last two turns. He attacked Abysia, got swatted down and is currently being overrun.

Should he be set to AI, so that the armies at least move?

Yeah ... I was expecting he was going to stale twice this time and was going to prepared to find a replacement, and then I looked at my turn. Holy cow! LOL Ermor hardly exists now. I'll get him set to AI for the next turn.

[Amonchakad]

I have to report a quite serious problem. Today at about 14:00 of my timezone(which I think is GMT+1) I sent my turn as usual, and I honestly didn't check wether it was received or not, as I never had any problems...until today. Upon downloading my new turn tonight, it told me that last turn I staled, and in fact I didn't find the llamaserver's confirmation email.
Now, I don't know what's the policy in these cases...while this won't be a total disaster for me, it sure is problematic; not to mention that the failed execution of this turn caused me diplomatic problems with other nations.

[Firewalker]

I have to report a quite serious problem. Today at about 14:00 of my timezone(which I think is GMT+1) I sent my turn as usual, and I honestly didn't check wether it was received or not, as I never had any problems...until today. Upon downloading my new turn tonight, it told me that last turn I staled, and in fact I didn't find the llamaserver's confirmation email.
Now, I don't know what's the policy in these cases...while this won't be a total disaster for me, it sure is problematic; not to mention that the failed execution of this turn caused me diplomatic problems with other nations.

I know this sucks, but I can't roll a game back because of one player's staled turn. The only times I will do this is when there is a server problem that impacts everyone's turn. As for example, when Llamaserver crashes the game while processing and stales everyone, etc.

It is getting annoying how this keeps happening with Llamaserver though. I keep hearing people in other games and here complaining about the emails not getting received. Or turn files not being delivered.

[DakaSha]

llamaserver has issues right now.

all you have to do is check if your turn has been recieved. as long as you check up on everything all is fine. make sure llama recieves your turn and stay updated on the games status

[Stretch]

Llama has been receiving my turns late as well. I advise sending in all turns 6 hours in advance. Maybe we can change our hosting time from 48 hours to 54 hours to give people a little cushion? I think that the new Llamaserver comes online in the next couple weeks so hopefully these will be a thing of the past soon!

[TheDemon]

Caelum still buying death gems. Will trade any gem except nature and death, and will also trade const 4 items.

[Stretch]

Can I get an extension until 0100 GMT Tuesday? It will be very tough to get tomorrow's turn in without one.

[DakaSha]

im going to need an extension also

[Firewalker]

im going to need an extension also

So do I! Just got home from pulling a 12-hour overnight and have been awake for 22 hours and counting. I shall collapse shortly. Game delayed 24 hours.

[TwoBits]

Are you awake yet, Firewalker? I have summoned some of the spirits of 'spirits' this eve (Demon Rum, to be specific, and his sidekick Rot Gut - you should see their stats! No gems were required in their summoning, but several pounds of gold were expended), and while having been very useful, they now demand to be entertained! They also demand you change your ID to Firewater! :D

[TwoBits]

OMG, the spirits are powerful indeed! Not seconds after I posted their demands, one has been granted (well, not the name change thingy, they're still pestering me about that! Come on, Firewater, not Firewalker! :P)!

[Firewalker]

OMG, the spirits are powerful indeed! Not seconds after I posted their demands, one has been granted (well, not the name change thingy, they're still pestering me about that! Come on, Firewater, not Firewalker! :P)!

LOL. Yeah, I dragged myself out of bed and sent in a turn. Firewater ... that would have been a good call sign! Will have to wait for my next incarnation somewhere else...

[thejeff]

I am going to be away this weekend, from Friday morning until sometime Sunday night, US east coast time.
With the current schedule it doesn't look like I'll need a delay. I should be able to play the current turn tonight, then the next one won't be due until sometime Monday. I would appreciate you keeping an eye on it and delaying the turn if it somehow looks like I'll stale before then. (For example, if a miracle occurs and this turn runs early, then the next one might be before I return.)

[hoo]

I'm going to be on a combo of biz travel/vacation from Sunday to Thursday evening. I should be able to use an internet connection to get my turn but check please if my turn is in. Also, I'll be on vacation a week from this Saturday to the following Saturday. While I could possibly find an internet connection, I'll look for a sub.

[Baalz]

I was going to volunteer to sub for Hoo, but thought I should make sure nobody objected to me subbing for a second nation in the same game.

[DakaSha]

hmm its not just for me to decide but i do think thats kind of a nono :P

[Alpine Joe]

Ideally this wouldn't happen, but the need for subs is too great and I would prefer the position be subbed. I have done this before, and as long as the sub is honorable it shouldn't be an issue.

[shard]

My wife give me a travel to Egypt to 8th to 23rd of August.What can I do?.Search a sub please.I can play until this date.

Majuva also needs a sub soon methinks

[majuva68]

I`ll need a sub. I`ll go egypt next week.

[Iron Duke]

Tir na n'Og is in need of air gems, will offer any combination of fire,nature,water,astral and while we prefer keeping them, earth gems. Items of export are also offered, for now being only const-4, soon to be 6. For those interested, PM me.

[Firewalker]

You guys know how to pour it on ... Okay I'll try and get it all sorted this weekend.

[Sambo]

Baalz subbed for me earlier; I'm cool if he subs for Hoo. A Marverni - Lanka war is unlikely in the next few turns.

[TwoBits]

I think we can all agree Baalz is pretty respectable :)

Hey, I'm wondering, cause I never checked before, now that Ermor is gone, when did they go AI?

I'm pretty amazed we went this long before the first nation fell, and I'm happy to see that people are, maybe, gaming it out until nearly the bitter end (I mean, Agartha has been down to nothing for a long time now, but is still sending in turns - thanks for sticking it out, the Vanishag! Keep those Frost Giants at bay! - hey, not that I have anything against Frost Giants ;) ).

[thejeff]

3-4 turns ago. And he staled a couple turns before that. It just took a couple turns to break through all the castle walls.

[TwoBits]

3-4 turns ago. And he staled a couple turns before that. It just took a couple turns to break through all the castle walls.

Well, that's not so great then :cold: More props to the Vanishag then, for gaming it out for the rest of us! :up:

[thejeff]

In fairness to OoohSnap, he attacked Abysia and got totally slaughtered. A couple armies got crushed without really scratching Abysia's forces. He stuck it out a couple of turns, but then I decided to grab a piece before Abysia took it all.
I really don't think the AI did much worse by then.

[the Vanishag]

More props to the Vanishag then, for gaming it out for the rest of us! :up:

[OOC:] Thanks! I expect to get stormed this turn, so it's very likely that I'll soon be gone... :wave:

It's not hard, playing when you only control one territory, and I have an affinity for last stands anyway...

[Firewalker]

hmm its not just for me to decide but i do think thats kind of a nono :P

Given that you are at war with Marverni, I would think you'd get a veto, but do you think it would make much difference that Baalz had sub'd for Lanka earlier?

[shard]

Tien Chi is looking for nature gems, will trade death and earth. Please PM me.

[DakaSha]

trading astral and nature gems for water and/or items (good helms & misc items)

[the Vanishag]

the final hour arose, and with it sleeping Urizen
he stood up only to survey the slaughter
and then, satisfied, exhaled in a sigh
his chest caved in, and with it, the dome of the sky
and that was the end of the Pale Ones

Well, that's it for me. Well played, Majuva68, and good game, everyone. I finally got my licks in at the end, so it was well worth the wait.:evil:

[thejeff]

I'm going to be away again this weekend. Sailing and hiking in Maine, so no Internet within reach.
Leaving Thursday morning and getting back sometime Monday. I'll get the current turn in tonight, but will need the next one delayed.

Thanks

[TwoBits]

Thanks for sticking it out to the end, Vanishag!

[punkzip]

Something just came up and I will be leaving town without computer access, will be back tomorrow (Thursday), late evening. Could I request a hold in processing the next turn until I make my move, I will do it the first thing when I get back.

Arco

[punkzip]

Something just came up and I will be leaving town without computer access, will be back tomorrow (Thursday), late evening. Could I request a hold in processing the next turn until I make my move, I will do it the first thing when I get back.

Arco

Sorry I meant a delay in the CURRENT turn.

[Firewalker]

Something just came up and I will be leaving town without computer access, will be back tomorrow (Thursday), late evening. Could I request a hold in processing the next turn until I make my move, I will do it the first thing when I get back.

Arco

Sorry I meant a delay in the CURRENT turn.

The current isn't due until Thursday night (CST) as it is. I'll add 12 hours to be safe. It looks as though we'll be delayed thereafter for Jeff until Monday night.

In other news, Kailasa is done for. However, I will continue to admin the game unless someone has a desire to take over the admin of the game after I'm eliminated. Sometime soon I'm going to try and get another game started up, this time a smaller one.

[the Vanishag]

Majuva68 pm'ed me about subbing for him while he's gone. I've decided I'm willing, <i>if</i> everyone else is OK with this (see Firewalker's "Niefelheim sub needed" thread for a few details).

[TwoBits]

Majuva68 pm'ed me about subbing for him while he's gone. I've decided I'm willing, <i>if</i> everyone else is OK with this (see Firewalker's "Niefelheim sub needed" thread for a few details).

Here's my thoughts on this (as posted already in the 'sub' request thread):

I had a scout watching the whole thing, for many turns - the Vanishag fought hard and honorably, to the bitter end. While it seems a bit odd to have a (now) former player sub, especially for the guy who beat him, I think the Vanishag can be trusted to play fair while majuva68 is absent. Especially considering how hard it is to get a reliable sub for most games, I have no problem with this.

[Firewalker]

Baalz will be sub'ing for Hoo (Marverni) from Aug 8-15 and I am fine with Vanishag sub'ing for Niefelheim if all his neighbors/opponents are fine with it.

[Stretch]

If majuva has asked Vanishag then clearly he thinks him honorable and skilled. He probably also understands the Nifleheim position better than other subs would. :) I have no problem with it.

[DakaSha]

seeking skull staff

[shard]

The Celestial Masters welcomes the Vanishag, steward of Niefelhelm.

We would also like to take this opportunity to wish Lord Majuva a safe and happy voyage. Celibacy doesn't necessarily mean that we old men don't know the importance of keeping the Queen happy!






oooc:
actually i have no idea if celestial masters have conjugal relations or not :D

[majuva68]

Tomorrow I`ll travel to egypt.See you 27 of August.Thanks all:).Firewalker send next turn to vanishag.

[Iron Duke]

just to let you know, if the game is delayed again, more than 6 hours, i'll probably miss my turn. I got a flight 10th of august and will be without net connection until 11 aug midnight. There's also a vacation plan under development, so I may be in need of a temporary sub for a week or two. It's still not for certain, I'll make sure to inform the host.

Firewalker if you will have to delay the game, PM me and we'll see if we can work out the delay together...

[Sil]

This is the end of the game for Sauromatia. We've held back Vanheim for over a dozen turns now, but our capital is now under siege and there are no more troops to break it. I blame myself for the defeat. I was not sufficiently focused on research in the early game. Nor did I shift my strategy towards Hydras fast enough for it to still make a difference. Live and learn. Good luck to all, though especially to the heirs of my gem fortune.

[Firewalker]

just to let you know, if the game is delayed again, more than 6 hours, i'll probably miss my turn. I got a flight 10th of august and will be without net connection until 11 aug midnight. There's also a vacation plan under development, so I may be in need of a temporary sub for a week or two. It's still not for certain, I'll make sure to inform the host.

Firewalker if you will have to delay the game, PM me and we'll see if we can work out the delay together...

As it is, the turn will host Sunday night (US time). Jeff is gone until Monday, so the game will need to be delayed. Since you'll be gone Monday, we'll just delay the game until Tuesday night. Let me know if that won't be enough time.

As soon as you know you'll need a sub, please start a thread or recruit someone you know for the job if you can.

[Baalz]

Uh oh. Hoo left me fairly detailed instructions on what to do with Marverni for him....but forgot to mention that there's a password on the nation. So unless he checks his forum messages while he's out of town unfortunately it looks like Marverni will be staling for the next few turns.

[punkzip]

I am going to Gen Con for the first time and will not be available from August 12 to August 16. I am playing Acro. I don't want to delay the entire game just because of my not being available, but it does sound as if others may also not be available for some of that time. If a delay is not possible, I am wondering if someone would be willing to sub for my position, just play defensively, and I would ask forbearance from my neighbors.

[Firewalker]

Uh oh. Hoo left me fairly detailed instructions on what to do with Marverni for him....but forgot to mention that there's a password on the nation. So unless he checks his forum messages while he's out of town unfortunately it looks like Marverni will be staling for the next few turns.

:doh:

I guess we'll have to delay the game then and hope he does sometime this week.

[DakaSha]

Need a very small extension of maybe 2 to 3 hours. mostly because i thought the game was going to be extended :P

[punkzip]

Ok I as I mentioned previously I am going to Gen Con and won't be able to make a move until I get back Sunday night. I can make this move but not the next. If the game cannot be delayed, can someone do the turn for me (I am Acro)?

All I would ask is to play defensively and reinforce the borders and build troops in the capital.

[Firewalker]

Ok I as I mentioned previously I am going to Gen Con and won't be able to make a move until I get back Sunday night. I can make this move but not the next. If the game cannot be delayed, can someone do the turn for me (I am Acro)?

All I would ask is to play defensively and reinforce the borders and build troops in the capital.

Well, unless Hoo pops up and gives Baalz his password, the game will end up delayed until this weekend. I'm going to set the game to host on Monday.

[Firewalker]

Need a very small extension of maybe 2 to 3 hours. mostly because i thought the game was going to be extended :P

I did too and then noticed Marverni has gotten his turn in, so I let it host. Now we'll be delayed until we hear something from hoo.

[thejeff]

It seems everyone has forgotten this game.
With 4-5 extra days, we're down to 2 hours left and 3 left to play.

Though Sauromatia is one of them and he posted a GBCW earlier so he probably should just be set AI.

[the Vanishag]

Hey, everyone. I'm going out of town this weekend and will not have Internet access Saturday or Sunday. I should be able to get in any turns that are ready on Friday (Aug. 21st), but if it's not in by 22:00 GMT, it's not coming. After that, Majuva68 should be back (I think he returns on the 68th).

It's been fun getting to play the nation that ousted me, even with the slow turn pace.:evil:

[Iron Duke]

Tir na n'Og is looking for air gems again, offering astral gems or magic items.. PM me if interested.

[DakaSha]

nah i havnt forgotten the game... real life has just been taking its toll heh.

im going to try to get the turn in on time. i get off an hour before hosting and havnt even looked at the turn yet ...which is a stall turn :(

[Firewalker]

nah i havnt forgotten the game... real life has just been taking its toll heh.

im going to try to get the turn in on time. i get off an hour before hosting and havnt even looked at the turn yet ...which is a stall turn :(

You've got 7 hours now. :)

[DakaSha]

heh thanks.. doing turn now :P

[shard]

Vanheim (Stretch) pmed me that he was on vacation and only returning on Monday - he didn't say but I think he might need an extension.

Niefelhelm will also be leaderless until majuva68 gets back on 28th as vanishag is on holiday too.

Also didn't Arco mention he would be away?

[Amonchakad]

I might manage to send my turn in time,but just to be on the safe side i'd like to ask a 4 hour extension,please.

[Firewalker]

Sorry guys, I blew it. Should have extended that last deadline a day but work and low sleep levels conspired against me. I'd consider doing a rollback in case if there aren't any objections.

[DakaSha]

against extensions

[the Vanishag]

Niefelhelm will also be leaderless until majuva68 gets back on 28th as vanishag is on holiday too.

I'm back now, and will continue as Niefelheim until Majuva returns... I had my wires crossed about when he was getting back.

[Stretch]

I'm good... did turn 38 while in the air somewhere between Nashville and Los Angeles (I think it was while I was over Colorado), and turn 39 while being driven up to Oakland. I get back to Jersey around 0600 GMT on Wednesday, so as long as the deadline for that turn is 10 GMT or later on Wednesday I will be good (will do turn 40 on my way back across the country).

[TwoBits]

Sorry guys, I blew it. Should have extended that last deadline a day but work and low sleep levels conspired against me. I'd consider doing a rollback in case if there aren't any objections.

Why? The game hasn't hosted yet - not for another 10 hours.

[Iron Duke]

Good battle mictlan...

[Alpine Joe]

Good battle mictlan...

Yes orb lightning is quite effective......and the sidhe warriors caught me off guard.

However I don't think time is on your side in this one, as you are running out of meat shields.

[shard]

Rollback??

[Amonchakad]

Rollback??

Everyone but Yomi and Arcoscephale had their turn, and Yomi is pretty much vanquished...don't know about Arco?

[Stretch]

Yeah, what the hell is with the rollback? I think that Yomi's single remaining province is under siege by Amonchakad, and I don't see why we'd have a rollback if just arco staled. Why would we roll back?!

[thejeff]

I'm willing to roll with it, but I don't see why. Did someone have a delay request that wasn't honored?

Weren't the Yomi & Arco stales from the last turn? With the rollback the staling data from the turn that got rolled back disappeared from llamaserver.

[Amonchakad]

What the...someone actually ALREADY rolled back. Why did that happen??
Did we have many stales or something? And anyway...shouldn't we at least talk of that before doing it?


EDIT: Just to clarify,I thought that people were asking about rollbacking, not warning that a rollbacking already happened. I seriously hope we get an explanation for this.

[DakaSha]

wow call me a crybaby but im seriously considering quitting if we seriously rolled back. this was my FIRST succesful turn during both my wars.

Just rollong back without any consent is very lame. esp after saying if there are no objections and getting one...

not only did i have a decent turn for once but i have no urge whatsoever to play a damn micromanagment turn over again. i already had probelms getting those turns in

edit: yep rolled back. awesome job :rolleyes:
Im prob out.

[Sambo]

I still have my turn file. I have no problem resubmitting it with no changes, if my opponents and neighbours agree to do the same... though I would also prefer a rollback of the rollback (if possible).

[Alpine Joe]

Ugh this rollback is going to be a nightmare. Like others, i don't have the same .trn file saved (i routinely delete mine). And i've been fighting several different wars and making sure I make the same moves in all of them.....impossible.

[Amonchakad]

I think that a rollback of the rollback is not possible...the best we can do is just all agree to resubmit the same turn,i suppose=/

But I'd really like to hear from the admin.

[hoo]

Won't some turn files still be in people's sent mail? so just resend that file right? For people in battles, you'll be able to tell who changes things around on you.

I don't think firewalker is able to respond right now with his work/lack of sleep thing.

[Lavaere]

Since I'm next to Arco and we have a Cold War along our borders. I certainly know the Arco staling a turn wont mean much of anything.
:( seems a pointless rollback to me

[shard]

Won't some turn files still be in people's sent mail? so just resend that file right? For people in battles, you'll be able to tell who changes things around on you.

I don't think firewalker is able to respond right now with his work/lack of sleep thing.

Yea I just reforwarded my sent turn.

[Firewalker]

Okay, that all got FUBAR'd pretty well! I didn't expect/intend for the next turn to host after my last post while I was at work last night, so I rolled that one back. I was doing back-to-back 12 hour shifts and didn't have much time to do anything when I got up and went back to the slave shop.

So, let's just move on from here.

[Stretch]

I don't understand why the turn was considered for a rollback but I'm out of the loop. I'm just going to send in my same turn and I hope everyone else does as well. I know it will be a pain for some of us to send turns in, but I hope everyone can just grin and bear it even if it really sucks for them. Whatever you do, don't just turn your nation to AI if you have lost interest now.

[DakaSha]

ill look for a sub some time...

i cant be assed to keep playing after that crap sorry

[Stretch]

Dakasha, at the very least please resubmit the 2h file you have for turn 39.

[DakaSha]

i would but sorry i cant. i have to let my sub make his decisions (based on my knowledge) since otherwise my enemy's are just going to work around my turn

[shard]

Well, we'd just have to assume everyone will resend their same turn. In case of battles it should be pretty easy to tell by comparison. Its a mess but I don't see how else we can continue...

[Amonchakad]

Yes,please,everyone resubmit the exact same turn. If,for some reason,you no longer have it,please try to get as close to it as possible.

[thejeff]

DakaSha, if R'lyeh (and anyone else involved?) agree to submit the same orders, at least as far as the battles go, would that be fair? The RNG may still change the outcome, but it should be easy enough to tell if he changed orders.

Otherwise, we'll have to pause while you look for a sub.

[Firewalker]

My understanding is that the previous turns that were submitted at still on Llamaserver and you don't actually need to send a new turn UNLESS YOU STALED.

The reason I rolled the turn back was that I saw a couple people staled and it was probably because of my post that I wanted to do to a rollback because ... well, anyway, the point is that the way the rollback works only the people who staled the turn need to send in turns. So, if you sent in a turn for 39, its still sitting there on the server even though the game page claims it doesn't have it.

Overall, very unhappy time. I'm obviously lacking the spare time to properly admin the game these days and would be great if someone else could take over.

[thejeff]

It would be nice if the server just used the previous turns. I'd like confirmation before I trusted it though.
And enough people have already sent in new turns that it doesn't remove concerns about taking advantage of info from the rolled back turn.

I'd be willing to take over as admin if you'd like.

[Firewalker]

It would be nice if the server just used the previous turns. I'd like confirmation before I trusted it though.
And enough people have already sent in new turns that it doesn't remove concerns about taking advantage of info from the rolled back turn.

I'd be willing to take over as admin if you'd like.

Llamaserver gives you this explanation of the rollback:

Read this next bit carefully. I seem to be having difficulties explaining it coherently:

Note that once the game is rolled back, it will appear that the game is waiting for 2h files from all players. However, the 2h files from last time the turn was played will in fact be there, and will be used if the game hosts without them being overwritten. This can be useful; often, a game is rehosted in order for only one or two players to retake their turns, while everyone else is expected to make no changes. The game admin can therefore wait till just those players have submitted, and then force hosting. None of the other players will stale (assuming they actually submitted a 2h file last time the turn was played).

I hope all that makes sense!

I'm not sure if this is posted somewhere on Llamaserver or in his FAQ publically. Anyway, it shouldn't have happened, but it isn't reversible now.

And thanks for the offer to take over admin of the game. I'll PM you the admin password shortly ...

FW

[thejeff]

Ok. I got the password, so that should be all set.

I don't see that anywhere in the llamaserver FAQ, but it's good to know. Now I don't have to figure out what I was forging :)

[shard]

Oh - so if all the turns are actually in there you can just force hosting now?


Ok. I got the password, so that should be all set.

I don't see that anywhere in the llamaserver FAQ, but it's good to know. Now I don't have to figure out what I was forging :)

[thejeff]

I don't know who staled originally, so I don't know if they've gotten the turn in yet.

[hoo]

i would but sorry i cant. i have to let my sub make his decisions (based on my knowledge) since otherwise my enemy's are just going to work around my turn

I just resubmitted my turn. There's no work around. But if you're having the sub change things based on your knowledge of my submitted turn then that alters everything.

I would assume that R'lyeh submitted the same turn as well.

[TwoBits]

OK, I'm confused, as to what the heck is going on, and what to do about it. I got resent the rolled-back turn for 39 yesterday, and then got sent turn 40, which seemed to be just fine?!

But then we got rolled back to 39 again? Without getting send another .trn file this time?

Well, whatever, can someone just tell me what I need to do now? Send in my turn 40? Or go back and fine the .2h 39 file, if I still have it? Or find the rolled-back .trn 39 file (again, if I still have it), and redo my turn from that? Or not do anything, because the server has my previous turn, even though it's not showing it (that one got me :confused: )?

[hoo]

I'm a bit confused as well...

Is there another option that everyone plays turn 40 from the turn mailed out Monday AM before the rollback? do a force hosting and then ignore the new turn and continue with the pre-rollback turn?

[thejeff]

TwoBits: As far as I know, we only rolled back once.
I'm not sure how you got the messages out of order.
At this point, we're on Turn 39. Apparently you need do nothing, if you didn't stale last turn.

hoo: I'm pretty sure that wouldn't work. The data on the server wouldn't match the data in the pre-rollback turns.

[thejeff]

Does anyone (Firewalker?) know who had staled?

As soon as I know that whoever the rollback was actually done for has submitted his turn, I can force hosting.
Only Arco, Tir, Ulm and Yomi haven't either (re)submitted a turn or commented here.

Ossa: can you confirm you resubmitted R'lyeh's turn without changes?
DakaSha: will that satisfy you and we can go ahead with your original turn?

[TwoBits]

TwoBits: As far as I know, we only rolled back once.
I'm not sure how you got the messages out of order.
At this point, we're on Turn 39. Apparently you need do nothing, if you didn't stale last turn.

OK. But I have my turn 39 .2h file in my Sent folder - would I be safer just to submit it again?

[thejeff]

No reason not to.

[DakaSha]

well really i cant complain about what u guys do so feel free to do as u please. just wanted to make it as good of an entry for the sub as possible :)

ill start looking today or tomorrow. sorry friends from europe coming

also you think the prior admin could apologize christ :rolleyes:

[punkzip]

I am playing Arco.

I am completely confused now. I was sent turn 40 saying that I had staled the previous turn. Now it is rolled back to turn 39, but it still says that I staled the previous turn and I am in the exact same situation that I was in for "turn 40". So do I need to resend the turn?

[Stretch]

punkzip, you should use turn 39's trn file to play a turn and send that 2h file in so that you don't stale for turn 39.

[Iron Duke]

Tir na n'Og is here, and pissed because of rollback. If someone would just be kind enough to tell me if there's the possibility of having my previous 39th turn 2h file being stored in llamaserver so I can pretty much wait out this turn or do I have to resubmit something close to what I originally did back in 39?

[Stretch]

Duke,

It says this on the previous page - looks like it just uses your old turn.

Read this next bit carefully. I seem to be having difficulties explaining it coherently:

Note that once the game is rolled back, it will appear that the game is waiting for 2h files from all players. However, the 2h files from last time the turn was played will in fact be there, and will be used if the game hosts without them being overwritten. This can be useful; often, a game is rehosted in order for only one or two players to retake their turns, while everyone else is expected to make no changes. The game admin can therefore wait till just those players have submitted, and then force hosting. None of the other players will stale (assuming they actually submitted a 2h file last time the turn was played).

I hope all that makes sense!

[Iron Duke]

Well I read that, but I had to be sure.. Soo... leaving things as they are now? Not sending anything to server aye?

[thejeff]

I have been assured that the llamaserver does keep the old 2h files and will use them after a rollback. It just doesn't display them on the webpage.
So you should be able to just wait this out.

Most people had a copy of the 2h and re-sent it just to be sure.

[hoo]

If Arco sent in their turn, can we force host? That should eliminate some confusion and get the game caught up to speed.

But that leads to the Oceania problem. It appears that Daka is just done with this game completely which means that Oceania will stall until a sub is found. Should the game be halted until we find a sub?

For the record, I'd be willing to do whatever it takes to get Daka to remain (give him the province and the gear he got from his victorious fight if he loses inthe rollback). Of the replacement players, both will be the biggest countries surrounding me which is frustrating to have change relationships immediately.

[thejeff]

The Oceania situation is currently the hold-up. Otherwise I'd force host it now.

I'm tempted to host this turn anyway using his old turn. hoo used the same 2h file and if I hear the same from Ossa, I don't see any reason not to proceed. Then Daka can keep playing or get a sub as he sees fit.

[DakaSha]

ok just let me look over all this when i get home later. Im not saying ill quit because im a brat. if you were in my position youd prob understand the frustration it caused me. its just a simple question of how much fun the game would be after that (not to mention that i really do suffer from slight OCD heh :P)

anyways i dont want to make this harder for you guys im sure your not very happy either

do whatever you want. im not changing my turn simply due to time constraints (and hope my two enemy's are honorable) . ill see how the turn folds out and decide whether it pisses me off enough or not.

one problem is that i got alooooot of gear from hoo and chances are its not going to happen again but at the same time i dont want thim to suffer due to this (btw hoo the animosity in game is only in-game.. its just role play ;) ... im playing a bastard pretender right now which is part of why im not in a much better position after my crazy initial expansion ^^ lol )

[DakaSha]

oops sorry wrong thread hehe (double post... the thing up there is correct :P )

[thejeff]

All right. I'm going to host this thing then.

Fingers crossed. Hope it works out for everyone.

[Iron Duke]

Safe...

[shard]

!@$@#%@#$%^@#$^@$&$^*6

[DakaSha]

well im definitely out. that was bullcrap. i lost my battle against hoo and as far as i can tell Rhley changed his turn.

[Amonchakad]

Well, the rollback didn't bear any(big)changes for me.

On the other hand, I'm really sorry to hear that you're going, DakaSha:( And I hope that Rl'yeh hasn't actually changed his turn, that would be very...depressing:(

Anyway, as a reference for future accidental rollbacks, not only in this game but everywhere, I think that only the players who actually staled last turn should send one, so that no turn changing doubts are possible(maybe that's why the llamaserver doesn't show the old turns, so it's possible to check who sended a new one?)

[Sambo]

My turn is the same, though with more plagues and barbarians, hahaha. My neighbours all sent the same turns too, thanks! Too bad about Daka, though I believe Hoo nobly offered the items and province as tribute to keep him in the game. The mighty nation of Oceana should consider the offer.

Anyway, I look forward to the upcoming battles with everyone. The game is taking a sharp turn towards interesting for the demons of Lanka, and for many other nations. Good luck to all!

[TwoBits]

Well, only mildly irritating changes on my end. I'm still totally confused as to why there was a roll-back in the first place? In the future, can we have more public consultation before taking such a drastic move again?

[thejeff]

Agreed. I'm not sure why the rollback happened either. I'll be sure to make it more open if it has to happen again.

Unfortunately, we'll now have to go on hold until we have a sub for Oceania.

[hoo]

As I said, I'll give Daka the gear and the province if he stays. This is a much better deal for him b/c he'll be able to use the gear a lot quicker than having his guys several provinces from a lab where he can actually make use of gear. B/c a Bishop Fish with combat gear isn't very useful...

If R'lyeh changed his turn that is a bigtime shame.


BTW: While I won my fight vs. Oceania, other elements of my turn went much worse. Things usually balance out although I'm sure some folks won and others were big time losers. And my offer of giving gear doesn't apply to any replacement!

[DakaSha]

i really respect the offer hoo but due to whats happened this game is just more frustrating then fun now :(

ill look for a sub but i cant till later so if you guys want to now feel free. ill make sure to give any sub all info about my game. my pretender design was kind of unorthodox though just as a warning :P

[the Vanishag]

ill look for a sub but i cant till later so if you guys want to now feel free. ill make sure to give any sub all info about my game. my pretender design was kind of unorthodox though just as a warning :P

I'm willing to sub after Majuva returns (which should be today), if no-one mind Oceana being the 3rd nation I'll have played in this game. What I know about Niefelheim is an issue, but it shouldn't be a problem in the short term, and will be out of date before long.

In any case, I won't share and will try not to use any knowledge I shouldn't have.

If no-one objects, I'm your sub.

[hoo]

I'm ok with this. And we probably need a 24 hour extension as much I hate to say it.

[thejeff]

I've postponed hosting by a day. Hopefully that'll give Majuva time to get back and Vanishag time to figure out Oceania.

[Stretch]

Vanishag is shaping up to be MVP of Mists of Time!

[DakaSha]

i sent all relevant info to van. let me know if anything else is needed

[thejeff]

No sign of Majuva yet?

We may have to delay another day...

[the Vanishag]

No sign of Majuva yet?

We may have to delay another day...

I just PM'ed him. Waiting for a response. Do you want to re-assign Niefelheim to his email and Oceana to mine now, or wait for his return?

[thejeff]

I can do that whenever, but I'll need both your email addresses.

I'm going to postpone another day.

[majuva68]

I`m back yet

[thejeff]

Excellent. If you and Vanishag can PM your email addresses, I can switch the nations around.

[Stretch]

Cool... welcome back majuva. Glad to get this game back on the road. :)

[Iron Duke]

This game is going painfully slow... I'm quite unhappy with it

[Stretch]

Soooooo... any word on whether we're going to do this turn by the new deadline? I would also like to see things go a bit faster... hopefully we aren't going to have any more events that screw the game up after this.

[thejeff]

Probably not, I hate to say. I'm waiting on an email address so I can switch Neifelheim back to majuva and I assume he'll need some time after that.

Hopefully we can get back on track after that. It's a problem with big games. The more people, the more need for delays, the more chance of stales and problems. The solution is simple: more nations need to be killed off.

[the Vanishag]

Well, I just got my turn in for Oceana, so there shouldn't be any further delays due to me.

[majuva68]

send me the turn

[thejeff]

Done.

Hopefully we can avoid delays for a bit now. :)

[TwoBits]

I'm getting the "turn file is corrupted" message, followed by insta-crash. Can I get the turn resent?

[hoo]

First, let me apologize for screwing up my sub 2 weeks ago and delaying the game. I've never used a sub before and I can't believe I didn't give Baalz my password. So my apologies for delaying the game.

Second, I'm outraged that foul Oceania would declare war on the world by flooding the coastal provinces. I hope folks will work together to banish such a loathsome nation that is reducing income for everyone. Who knows what other foul spells they'll cast?

Finally, is Vanheim doing as well as the hall of fame makes it look? They wiped out Sauro right? How many capitals do they have?

[Stretch]

Thanks to Sil for putting up a good fight as Sauromantia. The reason that I have so many entries in the hall of fame is that thugs were the best way I had to combat hordes of androphrag archers hiding behind large quantities of PD. Vanheim national troops are both expensive and incredibly vulnerable to poison (and I didn't have arrow fend/storm yet). Thugs seemed to work pretty well, in that the slightest hitch in unit orders didn't lead to them getting poisoned to death or routing in a few turns, but I had to get to critical mass to make the final push to his cap. Once I was comfortably safe from poison, Sauromantia switched to skelspam, so I racked up kills banishing away hordes of skeletons, not to mention damage control from some really ill-timed barbarian uprisings.

I have not taken any non-Sauromantia province (and they weren't too big) and there are definitely other nations that you should be more worried about at this stage of the game. ;)

Also, Kailasa is AI? Did that happen recently? Are they almost dead?

[hoo]

I have not taken any non-Sauromantia province (and they weren't too big) and there are definitely other nations that you should be more worried about at this stage of the game. ;)

Also, Kailasa is AI? Did that happen recently? Are they almost dead?

Thx...couldn't remember if you also dismantled Agartha. It's a bit disconcerting to see the entire HOF either gods or Vanheim and wanted to some info from that part of the world!

Hmm..I guess Kailissa just went AI. They are down to 1 province that's been undersiege for many turns so they're trapped. Their capitol has been long since plundered by Abyssia.

So I think 4 capitols(kail, Sauro, ermor, Agartha) are gone and no nation has more than 2.

[Stretch]

Niefelheim got Agartha pretty early on. I'm not sure who took Ermor, but I think they've had that cap for awhile too. And yeah, when I noticed the HoF a few turns ago I thought "holy crap." Although honestly, I could do without "Unequaled Obesity" on some of my thugs.

[thejeff]

Caelum took Ermor, though Abyssia took more provinces. And I grabbed a couple, too. :)

[DakaSha]

First, let me apologize for screwing up my sub 2 weeks ago and delaying the game. I've never used a sub before and I can't believe I didn't give Baalz my password. So my apologies for delaying the game.

Second, I'm outraged that foul Oceania would declare war on the world by flooding the coastal provinces. I hope folks will work together to banish such a loathsome nation that is reducing income for everyone. Who knows what other foul spells they'll cast?

Finally, is Vanheim doing as well as the hall of fame makes it look? They wiped out Sauro right? How many capitals do they have?

haha i was going to do that too :P

[the Vanishag]

First, let me apologize for screwing up my sub 2 weeks ago and delaying the game. I've never used a sub before and I can't believe I didn't give Baalz my password. So my apologies for delaying the game.

Second, I'm outraged that foul Oceania would declare war on the world by flooding the coastal provinces. I hope folks will work together to banish such a loathsome nation that is reducing income for everyone. Who knows what other foul spells they'll cast?

Finally, is Vanheim doing as well as the hall of fame makes it look? They wiped out Sauro right? How many capitals do they have?

haha i was going to do that too :P

I figured you might: that one was for you, DarkSha.

...this doesn't mean that I'm going to play nice from here on. I *like* the fact that Oceana doesn't have any treaties. :evil:

[hoo]

Should we continue with current turn in light of Pan situation? Have you tried emailign the turn to someone else to see if anyone can open the turn?

[thejeff]

We haven't been able to resolve Pangaea's corrupt turn issue.

The only options I see are to wait for llama to come back and see if he can do anything or to rollback the turn and try again.

I hate to suggest another rollback after our last fiasco, but it may come to that.

[hoo]

ok..I'm going to hold off on submitting my turn. I'd prefer not to waste more time and some big micro orders if we may get a rollback again.

[Iron Duke]

...

[Stretch]

Oh god please not another rollback... I'll send gems to Pangaea if it means they'll accept a stale instead of rolling this game back again. Shall we take up a collection? Anything but another rollback!

[thejeff]

That's a thought. TwoBits what do you think? How much will a stale hurt? If you're not actually at war one turn might not be that bad?

Regardless, I'm not going to do anything tonight, so I'm going to push it back a day in the hopes a miracle answer will appear.

We do need to get this game moving before it dies though.

[TwoBits]

I'd take a stale rather than a rollback any day. But I'd still like to hear from Llama first, and see if he has a solution.

[shard]

Oh god please not another rollback... I'll send gems to Pangaea if it means they'll accept a stale instead of rolling this game back again. Shall we take up a collection? Anything but another rollback!

I'll loan a dwarven hammer!

[TwoBits]

Hey, if people want to me with gifts so as Pangaea will suck up a stale for the team, I wont say no :D

But I'd like to know what the problem is that is happening, before going down that road. I mean, say I stale, and then get another corrupt turn file?

[thejeff]

I don't really have an answer for that. All I can do is hope.

There really isn't much we can do to diagnose the problem without llama, and I don't know when he's going to be back.
If it isn't a one-time corrupt turn we could still rollback to this or the previous turn if necessary. (I think llamaserver lets you go back more than one turn. Not sure about that though.)

[TwoBits]

Hm, I think if we did another rollback, especially a multi-turn rollback, a lot more people would be walking away from the game, and I don't want to be the cause of that.

Just kind of bad timing Llama seems to be out of town at the moment. So here's what I suggest: There's 5 other players who don't have their turns in yet. If they get their turns in, and Pangaea is the last to go and Llama still hasn't returned, go ahead and force the turn (and if other players feel generous and want to take pity on me by sending some gold/gems/items - and lets face it, staling at this point in the game really sucks :( - I would certainly appreciate it :D ).

But if after that, I get another corrupt turn file, I don't know what we'd do. Heck, without access to my turn, I couldn't even turn Pangaea AI! I'd be out of the game in effect, and there wouldn't even be an incompetent AI defending the place - it'd be a total free-for-all for all Pangaea's neighbors.

Has this ever happened to anyone else in an MP game before (to them or to another player)?

[thejeff]

Alright then, I wish I had a better solution, but I'm going to let this turn host on the current schedule and hope this problem goes away.

If it doesn't, then we're in trouble. We'll have to either put the game on hold to wait for llamabeast to get back and see if he can do anything, or continue with an ever-staling Pangaea.

[Stretch]

Sent some gems/slaves/spare magic items to try and ease the hurt. Thanks for taking one for the team, Pangaea. I hope that some other nations who aren't actively at war with you will pitch in, because forced staling really sucks!

Edit: I also hope that anyone at war with Pangaea doesn't take advantage of the fact that he is definitely not moving troops this turn to get some cheap victories over his armies (not just a province or two, I'm talking about killing big armies/SCs/etc using the definite knowledge that they wouldn't move). I don't even know if he's at war with anyone, but I wanted to throw it out there. If someone did something like that (when he's taking a stale to avoid hurting the game) then it would hurt their reputation, and I would join others in making sure that their armies lived in fear of mass ritual castings from the other side of the world.

[Sambo]

I sent some gems too. I also sent some mind hunts, horrors, and Dakinis. Hey, we're demons:evil:.

Sincerely,

Lanka

[shard]

Fingers crossed and touching wood twobits? :hide:

[TwoBits]

It's working! :party:

Let's hope it stays that way. And much thanks to all the generous folks who threw gems or items my way to ease the pain of a stale, it was much appreciated!

[Alpine Joe]

Ugh now something is wrong with my turn file. My pretender has mysteriously dissappeared, without any kind of assassination or seduction. Its an immobile one inside of a fortress, so this really can't be user error. Also about 6 commanders from my capital are also missing. So either Tir has 6 assassins who mysteriously don't generate combat reports on my end, or the game is messing up.

This game has been really frustrating these last few turns, as I can barely tell what is going on anymore with the roll backs and errors.

OH well I will persevere

Edit: My pretender shows up on the commander list in the army screen, but doesn't show up on the strategic map. I don't have hidden researchers on. Anyone think of any other settings I might need to change. My other commanders also show up on the army screen, but i can't give them orders.

[TheDemon]

Are you sure that they're not just hidden by a too-large number of commanders? In that case, there should be some really subtle arrows to the right of the commander screen on the strategic map that you can use to scroll up and down the list of commanders; they look like ^ and its upside-down variant. There's also a keyboard command you can use to scroll this list, hopefully someone else will remember what it is. Worst comes to worst, you should be able to find them in the F1 list and select/give orders there.

[Calahan]

If you click on your Pretenders name on the User Interface (directly above where your gem stocks are displayed) the screen will immediately highlight and centre on your Pretender. A nice convenient way to always find your Pretender (if it's still on the map)

[Alpine Joe]

Are you sure that they're not just hidden by a too-large number of commanders? In that case, there should be some really subtle arrows to the right of the commander screen on the strategic map that you can use to scroll up and down the list of commanders; they look like ^ and its upside-down variant. There's also a keyboard command you can use to scroll this list, hopefully someone else will remember what it is. Worst comes to worst, you should be able to find them in the F1 list and select/give orders there.

Oh i know about those arrows, I have been using them a while. I will check the F1 list.

[Iron Duke]

Phear th3 l33t k!lla from Tir! :D Your mages and fountain are currently being interrogated in the dungeons beneath Tir na n'Og, though having slight problem with the fountain, it just keeps bleeding instead of talking..

Joking aside, I know people don't wanna hear about another rollback, but if something's screwy then I won't say nothing against another rollback...

[thejeff]

Just one turn without problems, that's all I ask! :)

At least Pangaea's problem cleared up.
And hopefully Alpine Joe's is just user error. No offense, but those are easier to fix. Hopefully he'll be on the F1 screen and there will be no need for another rollback or other drastic options.
Keep us posted.

[Sambo]

Wow. You just saved me a lot of time. I always thought a scroll bar would make sense... just didn't see it! :doh:

Thanks!

Are you sure that they're not just hidden by a too-large number of commanders? In that case, there should be some really subtle arrows to the right of the commander screen on the strategic map that you can use to scroll up and down the list of commanders; they look like ^ and its upside-down variant. There's also a keyboard command you can use to scroll this list, hopefully someone else will remember what it is. Worst comes to worst, you should be able to find them in the F1 list and select/give orders there.

Oh i know about those arrows, I have been using them a while. I will check the F1 list.

[thejeff]

You can also change the size of the commander icons with (IIRC) "<" and ">", so more of them display at once.

[Amonchakad]

I have to require an 8 hours delay (though the turn will probably be in earlier), sorry for the inconvenience.

[punkzip]

I will be leaving town this upcoming Tuesday without Internet access and will not be back until Sunday night. I know it is a lot to ask to delay the game for that long, so I am wondering if someone could run my position for me?

I am playing Acro.

[thejeff]

Try posting in a separate thread or in the "Games seeking players" sticky.
Most who see it here can't sub for you since they're already playing. :)

If you can, try to get tomorrow's turn in before you leave, especially if you can't find a sub.

[Stretch]

I was going to see if there was a possibility of a short extension since 2 players didn't have their turns in and it's Labor Day in the USA (i.e. people might not be thinking about it) but I see it's set to Monday now... I think it was set to Sunday before, though... anyway, if it did change and I'm not crazy then thanks, admin. :)

[thejeff]

I bumped it up 8 hours, per Amonchakad's request.
2 people did still stale though.
I wouldn't have pushed it back any further though, since I was out.

[punkzip]

I did get the last turn in, but I don't think I will be able to find a replacement at this point as I am leaving tomorrow morning. Hopefully my neighbors will not attack me while I am gone.

[thejeff]

We have a potential sub for Arco. Pelthin has volunteered.

To slightly complicate matters, I'm going to be away this weekend, from sometime Friday until Sunday evening. I'm not quite sure yet how to arrange for that, since I'm not sure when I'll be leaving.

[shard]

I don't mind postponing, I'm swamped with work as it is this week, barely made the last turn

[the Vanishag]

I don't mind postponing, I'm swamped with work as it is this week, barely made the last turn

Me neither - really busy w/ revising my dissertation.

[Iron Duke]

Tir na n'Og is in need of water gems, can offer astral, nature, fire, earth gems or item forging.. PM me if interested...

[Stretch]

Things are going to be tight getting this turn in by Saturday at 1800 GMT, plus we usually delay a day anyway. Can we push it to Sunday?

[thejeff]

Pushed out to the same time on Sunday.

As I said upthread, I'm going to be away this weekend and won't be back until after this turn has hosted, so I won't be around after this evening for any further postponements. Ask now if you're still going to need more time.

[Sambo]

The turns are starting to take awhile, and September is often a busy time for anyone who works or goes to school. Maybe we should consider a 72 hr hosting interval.

I'm fine with 48 hrs, but I think many would like the relief!

[thejeff]

Checking the original post, we were going to go to 72hr after turn 40, so I'm OK with that.
We've pretty much been doing 48 with an extra 24 delay most of the time anyway. I'd prefer it doesn't become 72 with a 24 hr delay on every turn. :)

[Amonchakad]

I'd also really like a 72h timer by now. Not only are turns getting longer and more complicated, but with the end of the summer many people will probably have less free time.

[hoo]

Who took down C'tis? Any comments from that continent?

[thejeff]

72 hours it is.

[Amonchakad]

I'm sorry, but I'd need a 12 hours extension.

[thejeff]

I was just asked for and gave 10 hours. Do you need another 12, or just another 2?

[Stretch]

Um... it said that the turn was due by 1830 GMT Sunday, and ti's 1700 GMT sunday but the turn has apparently hosted. What gives?

Not that it's a huge deal, and I guess it keeps things fair between myself and Hinnom (the two nations that staled). ;) Just wondering what's up. This week/weekend have been insanely busy but I should be back on track to get turns in nice and fast now.

[thejeff]

It should have said 16:30 Sunday. It was originally 18:30 Saturday, but I got two separate requests for extension. 10 hours and 12 hours, putting it to 16:30.

Sorry for any confusion.

[Stretch]

I probably just can't read when I'm exhausted. Thanks for trying to help us out.

[Iron Duke]

I'm going to need a 6 hour extension if possible? Will only be able to put my turn in then..

[thejeff]

Can do.

Should be hosting at 22:30 GMT

[Iron Duke]

Thanks, though I had called my bro and had him send the 2h file, my turn was already ready. He was a bit grumpy(always is when I call and give directions about how to do stuff, even made him play a turn and send it once) but the turn is on time :)

[Pelthin]

How much longer am I needed as a Sub?

No issue here, just want to ensure I give this position back when I should. :)

[thejeff]

Yeah, I'd kind of forgotten about that. Punkzip was supposed to just be away for a long weekend or so.
I'll PM him, but he doesn't seem to have posted anything here since he left.
Are you OK with continuing?

[Pelthin]

Not a problem, I will even shift strats a little if I am going to take over.

I have been just keeping the status quo since I took over, and would like to do a little diplomacy if I am going to keep doing turns.

Just let me know.

Thanks.

[Sambo]

Could I get a 24 hour delay? No excuse, just enjoying the weekend!

[shard]

I'd like to request a rollback - I spent all night on my turn.... and I think I must have went to bed forgetting to actually email it as I staled

[shard]

Actually there were 6 stales this turn? A lot more than usual. Is there something up?

[thejeff]

I know it sucks to stale, especially when you've actually done the turn, but after the fiasco of the last rollback I really hesitate to do one without a consensus or an actual game problem.

What do people think? There were a lot of stales.

On a related note, Helheim has staled 3 times in a row. I believe he's in bad enough shape there's no point in looking for a sub. If anyone who knows more of his situation thinks it's still viable, we can try. Otherwise, assuming nothing is heard from him, I'll set him AI before this turn hosts.

Hinnom has staled twice in a row, which according to the games initial rules is a forfeit. I know nothing of his situation. Should we be looking for a sub or setting him AI?

[TwoBits]

Helheim's pretty much done from what I can see. Hinnom still seems fairly viable though, although their play has seemed very lackluster once they went to war (where are those uber-SCs?). A good sub could probably revive them.

I expect that with all the fighting going on that any rollback would cause plenty to scream bloody murder. I myself am ambivalent, although since I was the one who suffered the forced stale after the last one, I'm not eager to try my chances again.

[hoo]

From what I can tell, there are several ghost countries, Abyssia and Helheim that are pretty much dead. Not sure if there are others but I've heard through the winds a few other countries are in severe shape.

[Stretch]

Yeah, Hinnom was pretty boisterous at first but after a few setbacks has fallen silent for the last 2 turns (although I haven't taken any forts or made any huge advances in that time). I believe that a sub is in order. They still have various SCs and fun troops. I would vote against a rollback as it'd probably cause another round of stales and possibly another few people quitting.

I urge everyone to check llamaserver after sending in their turn to verify that it got it.

[Amonchakad]

Hi everyone, Hinnom here.
Yes, in the last 2 weeks i had an ever-increasing amount of real life issues, and even when I had some free time, I couldn't get myself to play my Dominion turns, or I just played them passively. Sorry for waiting so long before saying this, I was hoping till the last that I could manage it.
So, at the moment I don't think I can manage a game this big and deep; if thejeff could look around for a sub I would be very grateful, tell any potential candidate to contact me so I'll illustrate them Hinnom's situation.

[Stretch]

Keep in mind that llamaserver may be ignoring admin requests. See this thread for details:

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?t=44053

We didn't have a delay last turn so it hosted when it said it would, but if anyone's expecting a delay this turn it might not actually kick in, so I recommend getting your turn in by the time it originally said on llamaserver (Saturday around 2200 GMT)!

[shard]

Actually I checked my sent mail and i DID send the turn, I just never got the confirmation, and I sent it hours before hosting was due ~3am Japan time. It really was late and I pretty much passed out without checking as I had to confirm my trades and reply to all the diplomatic missives too.

Well, anyway I'm going out on vacation next week and I certainly for now won't have the motivation to play with a stale at the back of my mind going 'what if what if etc' so I'll be needing a sub as well.

[Stretch]

Another reminder that llamaserver may not be properly showing the hosting time! It may host at 2230 GMT TODAY! Get some kind of turn in if you can. Every game is being affected by this from what I know.

[thejeff]

We haven't yet been able to find subs for either Hinnom or T'ien Ch'i.
I don't think we should proceed without them, so I'm going to keep postponing the game while we keep looking.

Shard, how long are you going to be away for?

Amonchakad, any chance you could play a turn or two so we can limp along while we look for a sub? T'ien Ch'i played this turn, so we could at least run this one.

Helhiem I'll set AI before running this turn if he doesn't play.
I've heard rumors Mictlan is also in a bad way. If he stales again I'll do the same.
Abysia is also almost finished. I hesitate to set him AI, because I'm the one killing him.
Caelum staled last turn and hasn't played this turn yet, but seems to be doing quite well. Hopefully he's still around?

I'll keep postponing a day at a time until Hinnom plays or we find a sub. Assuming the llamaserver problems don't hit us. I suggest those who don't want to stale get your turns in, just in case.

[shard]

I can get a turn in before tuesday 2300 gmt but after that it will be very slow or not at all until oct 18

[hoo]

I'd focus on a TC sub first. This game may implode if we have to keep waiting for 2 subs and not run a turn for a few weeks. I'd probably go ahead and run the current turn

[hoo]

Hey shard, can you post for a TC Sub or let someone know your password?

[thejeff]

He did post on the games seeking players sticky thread.

I added a post to the one I made for Hinnom.

I hate to let Hinnom die while they're still viable, but I'd rather set them AI than let them just sit.

TC, we really can't let stale, since Shard is coming back.

And Caelum still hasn't played, which has me worried.

[thejeff]

Oops.

I missed the deadline and let the turn host.
I think we can live with that. We were still hoping for a sub for Hinnom, but it isn't looking good.

I'm really not sure what to do at this point. A long delay could be fatal to the game, but I also don't think we should go ahead without a sub for T'ien Ch'i. He looked for one, with no success and is planning on returning.

Mictlan & Helheim will be set AI. Setting Hinnom AI will be a disruption and a gift to Vanheim, but I don't see what else to do.

Caelum also seems to have disappeared. He was a fairly major power, so that loss would be a big problem. I'll start looking for a sub for him as well. Hopefully, he'll just show up again.

At the moment, I don't see what to do except to wait for Shard to come back and hope for a TC sub in the meantime. And hope everyone doesn't forget about the game before then.

[TwoBits]

I can't believe there are no takers for Hinnom! They're sitting on a pile of giants just waiting to be set loose. It would suck to set them AI, but I figure do it if necessary - people would just have to reconfigure their diplomacy to factor in the new (un)balance.

And what's up with Caelum? I thought TheDemon was a solid vet player - strange to see him go AWOL. Maybe there's been some real-life event there?

In any event, I think finding permanent subs for those two positions would certainly be best (Mictlan and Helheim are pretty much done, so AI is fine for them I think), certainly more important than finding a temp sub for TC. I say, if necessary, wait until Shard comes back (this game has had so many delays, heck, what's another few days at this point - we're all playing other games anyway, right?), and use that time to push hard in finding subs for Hinnom and Caelum (unless TheDemon turns up).

Can anyone else recommend a sub for those two?

[Alpine Joe]

I will set Mictlan to AI this next turn. I have an unconquerable capital, and that is all. My soul-contracts mean i could survive dozens more turns, but with no chance of winning i wont put tir through that.

[Amonchakad]

I'm still around the forums guys, and it's really a pity that noone wants to take Hinnom:( But yes, if noone wants to take them, it would hurt even more to keep delaying the game. Anyway, just send tell me if you need them set to AI. (I actually didn't play a turn yet because, beside the lack of time and finding it difficult to concentrate on a game I'm about to give up, I was hoping to find a quick sub,and so I didn't want to scramble Hinnom's situation even more.)

[Stretch]

Ugh... it sucks gearing up to trash a nation, killing a couple big armies, preparing for a showdown with the rest of his forces and then having the player behind it fail his morale check and leave. I don't know what to say... I don't want an easy AI victory. Is there any way to just turn Hinnom's territories into dust so that no one can take them? He built forts over every available piece of farmland so it's not like I'm taking much of a haul over the mountain provinces that I took from him (most of which I got, or maneuvered to get before he decided to stop playing).

[Sambo]

I'd like to request a delay (Canadian Thanksgiving, turkey time!). 48 hours would be great. Hopefully this will give some extra time to find a sub for Hinnom.

[thejeff]

Ah, that's why I bought a turkey this week.

Don't worry about the delay, I expect we'll be waiting longer than that.



Is anyone here interested in Frozenllama's offer:
how about a switch? i will take over one of the nations if one of you guys sub in as Gath in Cataclysm?

I'm thinking about it, but I don't know if I've got the time to take on another lategame position.

[thunderbird]

I posted in the other thread, but I am willing to take either of the two permanent positions.

[Iron Duke]

damn, another 3 days delay? slow as usual...

[Iron Duke]

don't get me wrong, thejeff is doing a great job as admin, though the slowness of the game sometimes get me on my nerves...

[thejeff]

Well, we're not so much slow now as stopped. And I'm no happier about it than anyone.

Hopefully, when shard returns, supposedly on the 18th, we can get moving again at a faster pace. We've got a replacement for Hinnom. I'd still like to get one for Caelum, so if you know anyone who'd like to play...
If we don't have one by the time T'ien Ch'i is ready to go, I guess I'll have to set Caelum AI.
That means I'll probably bump it by another 3 days, which will give Shard a day to get his turn in, and then we should be on schedule again.

I'd like to ask every to get this turn in well before the 18th, so that when he does play we can start moving right away.

[Stretch]

Will do, thejeff, but note that the hosting time is currently tomorrow at 2245. A number of us don't have turns in... I assume that you are going to bump it (since tien chi doesnt have his in yet) to Monday? I'll get mine in tomorrow for sure.

[thejeff]

We have a new Caelum! LoloMo has taken over.
He offered just after I'd gone ahead and set it AI, which is why the turn showed up last night.

I've postponed hosting, again, to give him time, but hopefully we can be moving again full speed shortly.