Great Forum, game running

[Num]

I can send you this turn 10 fire and 20 nature gems. 30 death gems sounds good to me (or 20 death and 20 blood slaves if you prefer).

[Finalgenesis]

30 death gems it is, they shall be sent this turn.

[arnob]

Hello

Is it possible to delay the current turn to monday evening (GMT+1) ?

I won't be able to connect to internet until this date !

Arnob

[Lihaässä]

@Muse - 20 Egems sent - where is your army? You have a good opportunity to raid monkey lands while he's main army is trying to invade me.

@Grijalva - you're attacking my territories without any warning. Is this how monkeys go to war? Prepare for hard times.

[earcaraxe]

Hello

Is it possible to delay the current turn to monday evening (GMT+1) ?

I won't be able to connect to internet until this date !

Arnob

yes, it is :)

[Grijalva]

@Lhassa

You brought this on yourself in possibly two ways: one, you twice ignored my monkey-offers of monkey-NAPs.

Secondly, someone is causing unrest in my territories that are suspiciously close your own, and you happen to have a nice national spy. Granted, it could be another nation, but given the distance involved, that would require a lot of patience...

...aaaand, if another player has spent all of this time patiently moving spies into distant places just to foment war between us...well...I guess he's earned his treat. :)

I guess I should point out to this hypothetical other player that if I do catch one of your spies doing nefarious deeds in The Land of the Apes, you should expect a veritable storm of monkey poo in the near future.

[Grijalva]

No offense to Pangaea if I'm wrong, but it looks like he has reached that, unfortunate, "I'm bored so I quit" point that seems to happen when new players play the maened-factory-pangaea-strat...

So, maybe we need a sub?

[Lihaässä]

About Pangaea: If that's the case I would recommend setting him AI since he only holds 7 provinces. If you think that it would be possible to cause havoc and challenge someone with his troops we could have a sub. Otherwise I think its just waste of time.

@Mscfish, if you were stalling for some other reason than what Grijalva proposed and you still want to be in the game, I'm sorry about the above comments.

[Num]

I would prefer Pangaea going AI, as it looks like not powerful enough for a sub to get a fun and interesting situation.

Arnob asked for a postpone to monday evening, the next turn is still due to monday morning.

[Grijalva]

second that, I suggested a sub but really setting him to AI seems like a better choice.

[Finalgenesis]

Oh well, one down one to go.

[BvG]

Dearest Grijalva

Spiders taste good
We not like them very much
NAP 3 so they die?

Three headed dragons
They are big, have fire breath
How make them suffer?

we cuddle you, if you like that
BvG, Shinuyama



PS: Translation for foreign monkeybrains:

We should team efforts against the spider riders, and then eat them. Unfortunately, They employ those huge three headed dragons, any hints about killing em?

[Grijalva]

Ahh, the mighty Zhmeys have awoken, well, intelligence is the first step, let me know where they are...can't hurt. You've got a lot of death, so perhaps distintegrate, banefire, ghost grip(maybe not), some other anti-sc spells should work...

[Muse]

Dearest Grijalva

Spiders taste good
We not like them very much
NAP 3 so they die?

Three headed dragons
They are big, have fire breath
How make them suffer?

we cuddle you, if you like that
BvG, Shinuyama



PS: Translation for foreign monkeybrains:

We should team efforts against the spider riders, and then eat them. Unfortunately, They employ those huge three headed dragons, any hints about killing em?

We've a proposition for our gravelly goblin opponents-- relinquish the sea to us, and we shall grant an NAP-5 so that you might concentrate on murdering the spiders.

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To Machaka:

If we don't receive the agreed upon payment, unpleasant things may happen.

We've been quite patient.

[earcaraxe]

Word has it that the pangaean government has been overthrown and a new general has risen to power, by the name of (A)ntagonist I(nferior).

[arnob]

Word has it that the pangaean government has been overthrown and a new general has risen to power, by the name of (A)ntagonist I(nferior).

Great ! My only ally is now a dump AI ...

To all :
The people of Ulm encounters some difficulties. We are on the north-east corner and we are a very disturbing nation for the big giants from cold and the people of vanheim.

So I'm currently looking for any ally in war against this two nation. My first need is money, in exchange I can forge at a reduced cost (50%) many item (1F2E in a large scall or some specific artifac)

Arnob

[Grijalva]

To Arnob

I have no interest in joining your war, sorry but the monkeys are just going banana's over how powerful Machacka has become.

However, if its just gold you want, I would be willing to send you 2F2E gems and 100 gold in exchange for a firebrand.

EDIT: actually, I would prefer just to pay gold, if possible, how much would you want for a firebrand?

[Num]

@Arnob
Maybe people of Ulm could surrender instead of hiding in his castles or wandering. Nobody will help you in your dark forests. I will be merciful.

[arnob]

@Arnob
Maybe people of Ulm could surrender instead of hiding in his castles or wandering. Nobody will help you in your dark forests. I will be merciful.

Hum, let me think about your proposal my dear friend






no !

Arnob

[arnob]

To Arnob

I have no interest in joining your war, sorry but the monkeys are just going banana's over how powerful Machacka has become.

However, if its just gold you want, I would be willing to send you 2F2E gems and 100 gold in exchange for a firebrand.

EDIT: actually, I would prefer just to pay gold, if possible, how much would you want for a firebrand?

My dear friend

I'm very sorry but I will trade fire brand only with a nation engaged in the same war as me.

Arnob

[BvG]

Ahh, the mighty Zhmeys have awoken, well, intelligence is the first step, let me know where they are...can't hurt.

I am sure the positional place of SC is useful information.. so how about that NAP 3?

[Grijalva]

The Monkeys of course welcome such an NAP3 with our comrads in arms! Down with Machacka! *flings poo*

[BvG]

We've a proposition for our gravelly goblin opponents-- relinquish the sea to us, and we shall grant an NAP-5 so that you might concentrate on murdering the spiders.

Ah, sure!

This was all about reaching Machacka to begin with, and I think i got that a-plenty ;)

however due to capital placement, western sea of storms (12) cannot be easily included in such a deal. If you agree to that exemption, then we got a nap 5.

PS: I assume you retract your demand for those last coastal provinces, so I'll continue there, but am ready to leave, in case I was mistaken.

[BvG]

The Monkeys of course welcome such an NAP3 with our comrads in arms! Down with Machacka! *flings poo*

We welcome our monkeys in arms, but do not appreciate poo on our negotiation tables. I hear far worse about the Machakas tho. It's said they spit into their hands to seal a deal, can you imagine dealing with such a barbaric people for more then a few years?

currently there's two of them Zmeies, plowing south into my lands, where the river enters the sea. I'm sure we stop them eventually, but our inexperience with slaying dragons will cost us more then necessary.

[Grijalva]

another three-headed dragon looms in the east as well,

@ Ryleh

The Monkeys welcome you to take the West Neminder Sea (pronvince 71) and would accept a truce in exchange.

[Lihaässä]

@ Muse, What is this treachery?

22.10.2010Your offer is quite worthy, and accepted! The north and west are yours, I shall take the coast and south.

For the northern provinces that we currently hold, we would wish a sum of Earth Gems--however many you can spare, though twenty would be a great boon.

Be advised: Shinuyama has an army headed to those provinces at this very moment, the far north. (Within reach of Last Retreat by next turn, likely.)
His armies under the waves we project will fare less well.


To clarify: We will still require the coastline that we posses currently. It is unlikely that Shinuyama will capture it.

This arrangement should create a lovely funnel directly into his heart, while his coast is raided.

This is you're answer to my proposal - I've already paid my debts (20E gems) we can ask the administration to check that one out.

1.11.2010We've a proposition for our gravelly goblin opponents-- relinquish the sea to us, and we shall grant an NAP-5 so that you might concentrate on murdering the spiders.

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To Machaka:

If we don't receive the agreed upon payment, unpleasant things may happen.

We've been quite patient.

You've promised your allegiance and we have divided already the lands of goblins. We also share NAP3. I still haven't seen your main army taking his lands. To me this sounds like that the great forum hasn't heard all of the talks that is going behind my back?

How is this going to be? - I have played my role and given you what you've requested. I pledge you to take actions you have promised. You are still the true god in the south, take what is your's and leave the goblins to your voiceless ones!

I shall burn, charm or bleed those who try to invade my lands. At this point I would ask from my diplomatic partners (Vanheim, Rlyeh and Abysia) what are you really going to do with the monkeys who are grinning behind you backs? Now they are turning face to the west, It's you're chance to act.

[Muse]

We've a proposition for our gravelly goblin opponents-- relinquish the sea to us, and we shall grant an NAP-5 so that you might concentrate on murdering the spiders.

Ah, sure!

This was all about reaching Machacka to begin with, and I think i got that a-plenty ;)

however due to capital placement, western sea of storms (12) cannot be easily included in such a deal. If you agree to that exemption, then we got a nap 5.

PS: I assume you retract your demand for those last coastal provinces, so I'll continue there, but am ready to leave, in case I was mistaken.

The entire sea is the deal, or face a two-front war.
An NAP-5 will give you ample warning should we wish to attack you; you've little to fear from the Western Sea of Storms.

As compensation, we shall relinquish Moorway (79) to you; we only wish the small province of Lower Hoburgia (84).
I trust you can see the strategic value in this.

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To Machaka:

There is no treachery-- we are still at peace.
We simply sold you some land that you requested. (The payment we've received just this turn, which we thank you for.)

We made no promise to remain at war with Shinuyama indefinitely.

We're quite simply withdrawing from all surface conflicts, as we likely should have done long ago.
We shall keep a single tea-selling kiosk on the beach, and return to the waves.

[BvG]

The entire sea is the deal, or face a two-front war.
An NAP-5 will give you ample warning should we wish to attack you; you've little to fear from the Western Sea of Storms.

As compensation, we shall relinquish Moorway (79) to you; we only wish the small province of of Lower Hoburgia (84).
I trust you can see the strategic value in this.

Ah you drive a hard bargain... yet again. I agree.

However, be informed that this was one of the factors that let me to start with you in the first place.

[Muse]

Ah you drive a hard bargain... yet again. I agree.

However, be informed that this was one of the factors that let me to start with you in the first place.

Luckily, that should not be a trouble this time-- all the transit routes are open and clear.
'Tis good that our peace is finally solidified.

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Advisory for Machaka:

Shinuyama should be withdrawing from Lower Hoburgia (84), as per agreement.
Holding or placing PD in this province will be considered an immediate act of war, placing you in a three-front conflict.

Otherwise, we have no quarrel with either of you and wish both sides interesting battles in the coming conflict.

[Muse]

Advisory for Machaka:

Shinuyama should be withdrawing from Lower Hoburgia (84), as per agreement.
Holding or placing PD in this province will be considered an immediate act of war, placing you in a three-front conflict.

Otherwise, we have no quarrel with either of you and wish both sides interesting battles in the coming conflict.

To clarify: We do not care if a battle takes place there, now that Shinuyama currently possesses it-- we simply care that the single province is returned to us peacefully after all the troop movements are settled. (Whosoever comes out as the victor.)

This should not materially impact either economy or army mobility.

We are, of course, open to negotiation in all matters. (Should it be necessary.)

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We shall also reiterate this:


To Machaka:

There is no treachery-- we are still at peace.
We simply sold you some land that you requested. (The payment we've received just this turn, which we thank you for.)

We made no promise to remain at war with Shinuyama indefinitely.

We're quite simply withdrawing from all surface conflicts, as we likely should have done long ago.
We shall keep a single tea-selling kiosk on the beach, and return to the waves.

Just in case.

[mscfish]

I am very sorry,guys.

I am getting wedding,It's so busy.Sorry for staling.

Very happy to play with you.Wish you good luck.

[earcaraxe]

thanks for playing with us and congratulations!

[Lihaässä]

@ Muse, On what ground do you state that I should surrender Lower Hoburgia to you? I took the province from my enemy after all. Do you think I buy that Goblins are free to travel through your lands as you take no action?To clarify: We do not care if a battle takes place there, now that Shinuyama currently possesses it-- we simply care that the single province is returned to us peacefully after all the troop movements are settled. (Whosoever comes out as the victor.)

This should not materially impact either economy or army mobility.

As a sing of my good will I leave no guards to the province in question, but I ask you to consider, why are you doing this? By attacking from two directions, goblins could be easily defeated. I also request a NAP extension to 5 turns as a sign of your good will and intentions.

@ Grijalva, Moving one single commander to prevent other army's movement is usually considered coward (turn 39, Eastern Landbridge). I hope you didn't do this intentionally?

[Finalgenesis]

The Jotuns seeks 20-30 more N gems, offering D gems and/or virgins (2 virgins for 1 gem).

[Num]

I am sorry, I do not have enough nature gems (nor astral, for Bandar log and Machaka). And currently I cannot search for more, some punks are trampling on my gardens...

[Muse]

@ Muse, On what ground do you state that I should surrender Lower Hoburgia to you? I took the province from my enemy after all. Do you think I buy that Goblins are free to travel through your lands as you take no action?

The province was quite simply the property of R'lyeh before Shinuyama accidentally took it. If Shinuyama (or anyone) took perhaps Hoburg Run next to your capital, then I captured it from them, would you not request it back undamaged?

As for our lands: We have no lands at the moment, we have only oceans, through which no goblins are permitted.

By attacking from two directions, goblins could be easily defeated. I also request a NAP extension to 5 turns as a sign of your good will and intentions.

Easily defeated, perhaps, perhaps not.
In anycase, we've had quite enough of wars on parched land for the current time. We're withdrawing to the sea, and for that intention the current NAP-3 suits us nicely.

[Finalgenesis]

That's fine, just as well actually as it seems our blood vengeance will soon be complete with your momentum on Ulm reaching critical point.

I am sorry, I do not have enough nature gems (nor astral, for Bandar log and Machaka). And currently I cannot search for more, some punks are trampling on my gardens...

[Num]

The crustacean folk (R'lyeh, The One which smells or whatever you want to be named) must know that people of Vanheim do not seek to invade the sea depths. We like fish, mollusk and shells. We love periwinkle and whelk (google translating...).

[arnob]

Hello All

This evening I leave for weekend. Yes I'm french ...

It is possible to delay the next turn (i already play this turn) to monday morning instead of saturday evening (GMT+1) ?

Arnob

[earcaraxe]

postponed.

[Num]

I am afraid Grijalva has just done 2 stales in a row. because of his central position (for all meanings) I hope he will come back soon. We will see on monday...
(All the french people do not get on week-end every wednesday, some must works in order to make others going on holidays all the time :))

[earcaraxe]

grijalva seems to have given up on this game. He is officially out now, and most probably we will be joined by a very nice player soon. I will keep u updated.

[earcaraxe]

please help me update the first post pact-wise to help our new player get a clearer view.

[Num]

Thank you to manage this.

I have a NAP upgraded to 5 turns with Grijalva/Bandar Log. I used to have a good relationship with him since the beginning, trading astral gems for death ones. He wanted to build a secured northern border for fighting next to the West, because Machaka is the leading nation for a while (and south ?), and I needed the same in order to attack Arnob/Ulm.

[earcaraxe]

Mighty leader of Bandar!

I would like to purchase Serpents Tail from you. It would straighten out our borders and its inhabitants are followers of the abysian cult. I understand it is not too far from your capitol, so to assure u of my good will, I offer a NAP5 and a payment both of us would see as fair. How about 500 gold and 50 fire gems?

[Lihaässä]

@ Earcaraxe - I wish you would take your axe to your hand and burn the monkeys from your lands.. I have made him bleed and you have all means killing his powerfull astral communions. We share a NAP3 and I'm willing to change it for NAP5. I fight simultaniously against 1,5 opponents (since I consider goblins only half men), with your aid the monkeys would gain another enemy and you could take the Serpents Tail by force.

@ Num - We share only tiny borderline and I wish we could extend our relationship with trading.. I could offer you some F and W gems in exhange of N, S and D gems. I believe I could also forge you some boosters if you need them.. for a good price of course.


@ ADMIN - NAP3 with Machaka and Vanheim is not in the 1st page, please update it. What comes to Bandar, I think everyone knows that we've been fighting "pretty even" couple of turns so no NAP's on this side :D

[BvG]

In addition to the already noted NAP 3 for Abysia, we also have a NAP 5 with R'lyeh, as well as a NAP 3 with Bandar Log.

BTW: Better half a man then being so afraid to be hiding behind dragonheads...

BvG, Shinuyama

[nrasch]

All:

Hello and thanks for letting me join your game. I'm excited to be here. :)

I shall try to keep my monkey minions in line as best I can.... ;)

*Num*, I would love to keep trading gems with you. I have 54 death gems I can send you in trade. I shall keep to the terms of the NAP 5 as well.

*Earcaraxe* Your NAP, gold, and gems sound good. Serpent's Tail doesn't really have any bananas anyhow, so we trade it to you happily.

*Lihaässä* I can only imagine you are mad because my monkeys aren't potty trained very well, and perhaps they soiled your lawn one evening? I shall try to keep them better in line, and hopefully we can make peace.

Thanks!

[Lihaässä]

@ Nrach - Welcome and thanks for joining in such a short notice. If you are really down for peace I would more than happily let you retrieve from you're lands North from Amar. I will take those provinces and leave you're empire alone (NAP3). These are my terms.. what do you say?

@ PvG - don't worry, I wont eat all you're provinces while you're trying to conquer the north.

[Lihaässä]

@ Nrach - Welcome and thanks for joining in such a short notice. If you are really down for peace I would more than happily let you retrieve from you're lands North from Amar. I will take those provinces and leave you're empire alone (NAP3). These are my terms.. what do you say?

@ PvG - don't worry, I wont eat all you're provinces while you're trying to conquer the north. ;) have fun trying..

[nrasch]

@Lihaässä: Can you kindly give me the province numbers are you interested in swapping out to make peace?

Thanks!

[Lihaässä]

@ Nrach - 121, 129, 108, 110

[nrasch]

@Lihaässä: Goodness! That is around 1/3 of my banana empire, and there is awful lot of monkey poo and banana peels I'd have to clean up to make those lands nice for your friendly troops. How about one or two of those instead? I'll even throw in a few flying mini monkeys... they make great pets!

[Muse]

Requesting a precautionary delay of twelve hours for this current hosting cycle!

[BvG]

hey nrasch, don't let yourself be suckered into a bad deal. the spiders are crunchy, even when not grilled, and there's enough of them for both of us to get nice round tummies.

[earcaraxe]

Requesting a precautionary delay of twelve hours for this current hosting cycle!

Perhaps i have read it too late? or do u mean this current turn?

[earcaraxe]

Dear Boss of the giants!

I propose an agreement about the division of the pangaean lands. I would like to own Yshan and Yshan coast and the lands south from there. I consider it a fair deal as I already have his northern fort under siege.

with friendship,

Ozzy, from abysia

[nrasch]

@BvG: Small banana flavored tears run down my face. Lihaässä, hater of monkeys, bananas, and all that is simian, has attacked me again even as we negotiate for peace. Round tummies indeed shall we have. How may I aid your cause, which is also mine?

[Finalgenesis]

Of course, that sounds fair.

-Jot.

Dear Boss of the giants!

I propose an agreement about the division of the pangaean lands. I would like to own Yshan and Yshan coast and the lands south from there. I consider it a fair deal as I already have his northern fort under siege.

with friendship,

Ozzy, from abysia

[Num]

@Lihaassa
I am sorry, I am not interested at all in fire or water gems. I am afraid we are seeking the same type of gems.

@Nrasch
Would you like 25 astral gems, in exchange of 25 death ones ? I can send them this turn (I am not able to trade those on a regular basis).
In addition, are you able to craft Rainbow armor, that we can trade for ?

[Finalgenesis]

@Num

We would be happy to trade you 25 death for 25 astral or interchangeably with nature.

[nrasch]

@Num: Sounds like a plan. I'll send over the 25 death gems this turn. :) Please confirm you are doing the same for the astral. :)

[Num]

@Nrasch
I shall do that tonight this turn.

@Finalgenesis
I do not have enough astral gems (Nor nature ones). Maybe in a few turns...
Remember half your treasure will be mine in some time, do not waste it, you owe me your survival :happy:

[nrasch]

@earcaraxe: Did you still want to trade for Serpent's Tail?

[Lihaässä]

@BvG: Small banana flavored tears run down my face. Lihaässä, hater of monkeys, bananas, and all that is simian, has attacked me again even as we negotiate for peace. Round tummies indeed shall we have. How may I aid your cause, which is also mine?

@Nrasch - Sorry to be harsh but you're monkeys destroyd my cocoons long time before you started to sail the ship. I just take what is righfully ours. You may still leave the territories as I requested and I shall fullfill my part of the deal.

For me talking about peace with a huge army at my border is not really that honest. It's not third of your territories, but a lot less. There is alot action going behind your back and securing my side would be a benefactory for both of us. I could also throw in lets say 30 F and 15 A gems as a sing of my good will and you're banana flavoured tears.

What say you?

[BvG]

@BvG: Small banana flavored tears run down my face. Lihaässä, hater of monkeys, bananas, and all that is simian, has attacked me again even as we negotiate for peace. Round tummies indeed shall we have. How may I aid your cause, which is also mine?

Uhm... no clue... *stupid goblin face* i hear stones do work against humans, and against spiders too, so i guess you could switch over to that (away from poo flinging).

As for the dragons: one or two spellcasters that only target them (large damage, yet one-target spells) seem to do quite well against those. unfortunately the bastards always fly away when almost dying, hugely annoying.

Basically: kill em all.

[earcaraxe]

@earcaraxe: Did you still want to trade for Serpent's Tail?

yes i do, i have already sent the bigger part of the payment, the other part will be sent next month.

[earcaraxe]

Muse its not clear to me: would u like to postpone this turn only (i did it) or raise the the interval by 12 hrs?

[Lihaässä]

@ ADMIN - could I get a delay until sunday evening for turn 45? I wouldn't oppose a 12 extention to hosting interval either. Thanks and have a nice weekend!

[earcaraxe]

hosting is postponed by 12 hours. If a consensus seems forming about the lengthening of the hosting interval i will do that too.

[nrasch]

@earcaraxe - OK, thanks. Feel free to invade.... errrr.... 'repopulate' that area at your leisure. ;)

[arnob]

Hello All

Very sorry for my stal this turn !

Since my position is not very great. I'm wondering if you'll be upset if i join my former pangea ally to the AI land ?

Arnob

[Num]

Well, I am not very experienced but I do not think (and I expect) that you cannot do anything to restore any chance.

War against you was very tough for me, I have taken much time to find solutions to counter what you were doing. I am sure that you lost for a big part because of the weakness of Ulm, and the limited possibilities of this nation (Vanheim on the opposite has much more options, actually for a mediocre player like me).

[earcaraxe]

Hello All

Very sorry for my stal this turn !

Since my position is not very great. I'm wondering if you'll be upset if i join my former pangea ally to the AI land ?

Arnob

I would like to add that its possible to find enjoyment and find reason in fighting with very little chances to win, and there are also legit reasons to stop playing. I dont intend to persuade u to play along (or go ai), after this one try: I prefer u playing, i found ur presence added (and adds) a lot to this game, and personaly I'd rather play with u still at the helm of Ulm. So I wont be any upset if u leave, and it will add to my happiness if u stay. :)

[arnob]

Hello All

Very sorry for my stal this turn !

Since my position is not very great. I'm wondering if you'll be upset if i join my former pangea ally to the AI land ?

Arnob

I would like to add that its possible to find enjoyment and find reason in fighting with very little chances to win, and there are also legit reasons to stop playing. I dont intend to persuade u to play along (or go ai), after this one try: I prefer u playing, i found ur presence added (and adds) a lot to this game, and personaly I'd rather play with u still at the helm of Ulm. So I wont be any upset if u leave, and it will add to my happiness if u stay. :)

OK, you convinced me. I'll fight until dead :-)

It's might be fun to see how turns I can survive

Arnob

[Num]

Please do not evade or make everything possible to make a few soldiers surviving anywhere. You will for sure be able to survive for a while, that might be fun for you, that will not be the same for me to try to catch some remnants like an eel.
I can imagine what the hell it could be... Please defend yourself but do not make the end of my game horrible.

[earcaraxe]

I dont think its possible to make it "horrible" on this small map. A pretender even drops out if it doesnt have dominion for instance, but there are other reasons to it too.

but i understand it would have been much easier for u if he had just given up :)

[Num]

I do not ask for make it easier.
An AI or a good player cannot do anything to avoid complete defeat in very few turns.
But it is very simple in Dom3 to survive with very few troops, hero, thug, with stealth and the efficiency of avoiding moves (I can easily imagine that because I have taken much advantage of it against Arnob).
And I am not experienced and talented enough to finish a nation which DO want to survive. I do not know how to catch a stealthed powerful thug who is going to appear anywhere.
I only want my nerves staying alive, that is all. Althought Arnob has already admitted he has lost, he can make my game a nightmare with almost nothing left, I am afraid that would be easy.
Anyway, you probably know what I mean.
Maybe I am wrong, maybe it is impossible to stay alive with one province and a commander, but I am scared by the words "how many turns I can survive ?".

[earcaraxe]

i am curious of others/experts opinion on how surviving for long time is easy. My personal view is that although its easy to prolonge final defeats for some turns, a very resilient but severely weakened opponent is not a big factor. A guerrilla attack here and there but thats all. I believe there might be exceptions - special circumstances, very talented opponent - (for instance a fully kitted flying stealthy SC) but its not typical. These thugs are in a constant fleeing mode as whole armies are after them, and the famous saying applies here: "Beware: we have to be lucky only once, but u have to be lucky always".

what do u think?

[Num]

I do not know. Really. I only want the game challenging, fun and interesting, not boring (Single player, AI), nor annoying. We will see.

[Finalgenesis]

Well just look at us, back from the cusp of death if only to ensure vengeance before we go.

Dragging out our survival as long as we can enabled us to enact some all-out diplomacy (and a measure of luck) to ensure our malefactors burn alongside us. Our victory is already forfeited, but we're sure as hell having fun bringing our enemies to hell with us.

[Lihaässä]

@Admin - could you delay hosting until sunday evening? I'm out of town.

About survival: I have seen a tiny nation rising from ashes after being attacked by major powers. Sometimes it's fun to have just a few provinces. Then you're able to really focus on you troops and pick the right spells for each battle. Making a hell for your opponent means that he will lose significant amount of time and resources trying to finalize you.. he might even lose major battles at the other fronts - what more can you want, when you want to have a revenge? ;)

[earcaraxe]

postponed by 24 hrs.

[earcaraxe]

Dear participants!

I think the banning of private conversations was a interesting experiment (for me). As I see it, this rule kills most of the conversation. I'd like to spice up the game by lifting the ban: I believe there will be more talk, more human contact, more planning and discussing, intriguing, more emotions, which I think would make the game more interesting, more sparkling, more fun. I understand there are reasons versus this change, but i consider the pro-reasons outweigh them.

U all signed up for this game with the rules set, so i wont change it without consensus: everyone has the right to veto it until december 5, 12:00 GMT.

awaiting ur opinion,

earcaraxe

[Num]

I do not think that this rule has blocked that much diplomacy in this game.
Anyway, this is too late (And my vote is no). Everybody (except one of course) must consider that the only way to play since Bandar Log and Shinuyama has been defeated (partially or not) is to fight Machaka as soon as possible in order to destroy this monster. Even Jotunheim must help, all the other nations have borderline with the enemy.
There will be diplomacy after, if we survive the hideousness.

[earcaraxe]

why do u think there will be more diplomacy if machaka gets beaten?

[Num]

Because there is no need to talk about the duty to attack and defeat Machaka. We must do it right now if we do not want to get taken out by Lihaassa very soon.

I call upon every nation to break treaties and attack Machaka right now from everywhere.

I am doing this this turn. The NAP I have with Lihaassa is broken on turn 50. Attacks may happen on turn 54.

You all should do the same and attack everywhere. Finalgenesis, you should take all your time, resource and energy to help us from distance. Let's destroy those ugly spiders.

For people who do not want to help or think they can benefit from getting out of this Duty, do not expect victory one second, it would be ridiculous to think resisting Machaka one by one. By tearing us apart with such behavior, you are going to offer victory to the Black Sorcerers.

We'll see after that. It will be time to discuss... That is what I meaned.

[earcaraxe]

I think u are using my proposition as an opportunity to agitate versus machaka. No problem with the latter, but i dont think there is any connection between the two.

[Num]

Absolutely, that only was the opportunity of saying something I was wondering about since Grijalva defection. Sorry to pollute your proposal.

[earcaraxe]

I see. By the way - as the abysian king - i fully share ur view of the spiders and the threat they mean to world peace and prosperity.

[Finalgenesis]

@Vanheim

We had planned to suicide against Pan and Ulm though it seems now we'll have the other small half remain upon Ulm's destruction. After paying you the agreed price we planned to suicide our remaining forces somewhere and move onto Valhalla.

Might I suggest an amendment to our agreement: on Ulm's destruction, we pay you generously in gems as agreed. But instead of parting with half our armory / capital + the few provinces north of it (after which it becomes more or less pointless for us and we'll go kamikaze on something):

a) we'll enter into a game-long no aggression against you (well, unless you call off the NAP yourself...), and on the off chance that the game comes down to you + me, I'll give up by default and hand you the win, the host Earcaraxe can be witness here.

b) You can designate twice in the remainder of this game who we go to war with. e.g. "go to war with machaka." In which case we will, and will not enter NAP or make peace until you call us off. We will send in and keep at least 1/3 of our forces on the initial offensive, or at least half of our forces if no one else is warring on us. Note we need access to the nation we are warring with to send in troops... (We can't actually see Machaka at the moment). We can only war with one designated nation at a time (if you want us to war on someone else while already calling us on Machaka, we will have to be able to make peace with or destroy machaka first)

We might wring a bit more action of out this yet.

[Num]

I do not intend to take you half your territory and see you disappear. I only want half your treasure (money, items and gems) as a gift for having saved your nation (frankly that was not the ultimate goal, of course).
I used to not care about this because I thought you would be already dead, or almost dead, when I would have destroyed (If successfull) Ulm.
You have survived, Congrats. So if you want to, what about going to war against Machaka if you think you can help with your armies ? I could admit to see your forces travel across my provinces and lose some passive defense and income. Maybe you can take advantage of magic carpets (or other items I do not know).
I do not intend to attack you, I expect Abysia would help us (Your other border will be secured) so maybe your forces, money and powers could help destroying the ugly Monster ? Are you fine with this plan ?

[Finalgenesis]

We actually preferred to suicide against our 2 enemies in a blaze of glory then to actually survive @.@ It seems we'll get our revenge AND survive now... what a downer.

But sure, half the gems and items then (if you'd look at our income, you'll realize gold doesn't exist in the wastelands we call home, 1/2 of 0 gold = 0 gold). I'll need some time to re-arm my thugs before I can actually war on machaka, but I'm otherwise willing.

my stock consist of many sets of cheap thug equips (saint shrouds, luck amulets, reinvig boots, blood axes, vine shields here and there, 2x rainbow armor ...etc) and boosters (ring of sorcery, 2 blood booster, skull staff). So... You have a choice of a bunch of random thug equips or my booster set.

[Lihaässä]

First about the diplomacy: I don't want to change a setting when we are this far away with the game. So that's a no from my side. I think Diplomacy has been good in this game and your setting has made diplomacy "equal" since not all are able to communicate through irc, telephone, e-mail, pm's or something else.

@Everyone about Vanheim's propaganda: If you've been reading the statistic charts as carefully as I am, you would have seen that by attacking me from all directions You will boost Vanheims success, and that's where he is aiming.

@Finalgenesis & Arnob - Especially those far away from my lands - Ulm and Jotunheim, you've been attacked with Vanheims thugs and now he assumes that you will join his troops to make him the largest nation in the game. He tries to use you, I'm more than happy to help you with my resources if you still want to fight against him.

@ Nrach - Bandarlog is far from defeated - we are talking about peace with them and I have no quarrel with them. You should turn your face behind you and fight with those you have a longer borderline. My nap proposal is still valid and I'm willing to change my terms so that i only get North Amar and Upper Amar. In excange I will give you quarantee of peace (NAP 3)

@ Earcaraxe - Everyone is seeing you dom push. You are no threath to me nor me to you, we only share one border line accross the sea. Why would you want to fight trough a bottleneck when your dominion is doing the fighting without blood?

@ Num - If you think I'm the easiest opponent to enlarge your nation, please do attack. I'm waiting ;)

[Finalgenesis]

@Machaka:

The price I am to pay for Van's aid in completing our bloodfeud on ulm is to war on you and pay him half my stuff, nothing personal / because you're powerful / ...etc. We're basically not a contender but not quite weak enough to just kamikaze the nation now that Van don't want half my lands.

[earcaraxe]

my proposal has been vetoed then.

My dompush is just small scale one as i want to domkill pangea.

[Num]

Income on turn 50 : Vanheim 2133, Machaka 3249
Gem income : Vanheim 53, Machaka 104
Research : Vanheim 8613, Machaka 14589
Dominion : Vanheim 311, Machaka 663

This is not propaganda. Those are numbers. You are on the way to destroy everyone of us with ease, like you do with Shinuyama.
@ Num - If you think I'm the easiest opponent to enlarge your nation, please do attack. I'm waiting
That says it all, you are right, you shall crush me in little time. I am no match for you.
So if we want to get a chance to resist, we must all ally against you, quickly. We are all agree with that.

I would like to hear Bandar Log about that. Nrach we need you badly to help.

[Num]

@Finalgenesis
Do not consider yourself as a servant of Vanheim. Feel free to do what you want (Well please do not be ungrateful). Althought I would like to see you do whatever you can against Machaka (Like any other player).
I only want a reward in gems (I prefer earth, air, death or nature) and items (rainbow armor, good water items I cannot craft, ring of sorcery if you do not need it). That is all. Then you will be free.

[Finalgenesis]

@Num,

Very good, about 75% of my gem reserve is in D gems while my E,A and N are in or close to single digit range. I'll pass you a big shot of D gems, 2x rainbow armor, sorcery ring and 4 frost brands (or would you prefer a water cloak? Alternatively I can forge up to W4, just let me know what W items you need).

[nrasch]

I would like to hear Bandar Log about that. Nrach we need you badly to help.

Haa haa! While the tall ones w/ no tails that don't eat bananas talk and talk and talk we take action! Advance monkey hordes, advance!!!

[arnob]

Hello All

I gone to the AI land ! My pretender is dead and also most of my mages ...

Thanks all for this game, my first MP. I feel that i definitively need to learn more on certain aspects of the game.

Arnob

[Num]

Maybe there is a lot to learn. But first, you must (should) play a better Nation.
As far as I see, Ulm (MA) has nothing to compete against a nation like Vanheim, and looks very weak, with no magic variety and not a lot of possibilities. I have lost some battles, but I then have options to set different tactics. It seems to me that you had no option left when I for first won some battles. You had nothing to counter my attacks, tactics and general strategy. And the initial success you got was my inexperience and because you played well.
Sorry to have put you out of the game. A la prochaine.

[nrasch]

@Num - Banana peels and monkey poo litter the battlefield. The smell of burned monkey fur drifts through the air, yet the monkey kingdom has struck a first blow and won against the spiders.

I assume you will be following up on other fronts shortly? We are engaging from the east where we border the spiders, and we wish to know what the troop movements of the other nations will be.

Afterward, as we bask in victory, bananas shall be had by all! ;)

[arnob]

Maybe there is a lot to learn. But first, you must (should) play a better Nation.
As far as I see, Ulm (MA) has nothing to compete against a nation like Vanheim, and looks very weak, with no magic variety and not a lot of possibilities. I have lost some battles, but I then have options to set different tactics. It seems to me that you had no option left when I for first won some battles. You had nothing to counter my attacks, tactics and general strategy. And the initial success you got was my inexperience and because you played well.
Sorry to have put you out of the game. A la prochaine.

I'm not sure that Ulm (with cbm1.6) are really weak. I think I didn't play with their main strengh. You defeat me on two points : Your steal thugs and your air magic.

I was definitly not prepare for the first point and a spam of thunder strike are just deadly for heavy armor unit ...

With my new experience I shall take another pretender a SC with a lot in air magics

Arnob

[Num]

@Earcaraxe
Congratulations for the spell steal. We need you to attack the ugly spiders as soon as you can.
@Finalgenesis
I do not want you to be demotivated to play. So do not give me everything you have, do not give up.
@Nrach
I am not just talking and talking again. I have just broken my pact with the spiders. I will attack it as soon as I can (at turn 54). Let me cross the sea (144) and launch attack on (133) and then in the northern side of the Machaka empire.
@Arnob
I do not know. A magic path on a pretender is not that important. Magic path of the national mages are far more significant. Well I guess so. Not sure about that.

[Lihaässä]

@Nrasch - It seems that I slipped to your bananas.. That wont happen again :) after this conflict I'm not even going to bother talk about peace with you.

@Finalgenesis - I consider your "pact" with Vanheim rather lame. What do you think would happen If I gave half of my gems and items to another player just because we've had a common enemy? I hope this doesn't come a trend only that you all can bend before Vanheim.

@Earcaraxe - you still haven't broke our nap.. how is it? When are you going to come in? If not.. I'm more than happy to aid to burn bananas if you decide to choose that road instead.

[nrasch]

@Lihaässä: Yes, I'm sure attacking you will be met w/ no small amount of kick back. I have full respect for your skills as a Dom3 player, and I'm sure you have all sorts of tricks up your sleeve. :)

No matter who wins I think it will be a fun fight, and hopefully I'll learn something from the experience. :)

- King of the Bananas

[earcaraxe]

@Earcaraxe - you still haven't broke our nap.. how is it? When are you going to come in? If not.. I'm more than happy to aid to burn bananas if you decide to choose that road instead.

Restoring the eternal pyre to its rightful abysian owners was more than a cultivation of my nation's tradition, than a hostile act on our behalf.

The abysian warmachine is busy burning down the last woodhouses and the fuzzy animals of the pans.

[Num]

Earcaraxe, we need you if we want to succeed in destroying the Machaka threat. Pangaea is no more. Without you, we shall be crushed exactly like Man and Shinuyama. Lihaassa is not an average player.
I have thought too about waiting for Machaka going to war with his others neighbours, but that is not reasonnable, his powers are growing very fast, it is maybe already too late.
Please, for us, and you, break your nap with him and help us. Or you will standing dead.

This is the same for you Muse, if you survive your weak dominion.

[earcaraxe]

To the leaders of rlyeh and vanheim. I, Ozzy - the prince of ****ing death - shall join ur war versus the spiders. I would like to sign a NAP5 with both of u to feel assured.

Leader of Machaka! Thou shallst burn along with your spiders and mislead followers. (3 turns from now)

[BvG]

Hi

I am confused, the turn I am receiving from the server i have already done (i think). it's all the exact same events and battles. the only thing that changed is that it says my last turn wasn't a stale (with the last-last turn i did stale, and it showed correctly last turn). resending the turn from the server didn't change anything.

I know I'm almost dead, but still, that is kind of weird?

also re: chaning diplomacy rules, i'm against. the diplomacy has been fun and varied, but for obvious reasons a bit more conservative then 1on1 talks. I liked it a lot up to now.

[BvG]

i sent the same turn as for 51, and it accepted it... so there's something weird going on.

[earcaraxe]

i would like to trade for a boots of quickness. any offers are welcome!

[Finalgenesis]

boots for 7N or 10F =P, I hope you don't use that SC on me.

[Num]

Thanks Earcaraxe for your help. Without you, I am afraid we cannot do anything enough powerful to calm down Machaka. A NAP5 is welcome.

@Lihaassa
@Finalgenesis - I consider your "pact" with Vanheim rather lame. What do you think would happen If I gave half of my gems and items to another player just because we've had a common enemy? I hope this doesn't come a trend only that you all can bend before Vanheim.
Well, there is no pact. I only have a NAP with Jotunheim/Finalgenesis and I have received something like one hundred gems (You are receiving that sum every turn for 30 turns) and 6 items (all simple ones, except an astral ring). This is the reward for having destroyed Ulm, and as a side effect having saved Jotunheim. This is not an extraordinary reward for the task (He promised me a lot more, half his provinces). I only expect he will be grateful. That is all.

[earcaraxe]

boots for 7N or 10F =P, I hope you don't use that SC on me.

Of course not, the frost-bearded giants are kind friends of the abysian people's republic (the APR).

How about 20F gems for two boots? I'll send them this turn.

Ozzy, first secretary of the red empire

[earcaraxe]

(as admin:) please help me update the naps on the first page. i think its quite accurate, but not sure.

[Finalgenesis]

sounds good, I'll send both on the next turn (forging this turn)

[BvG]

Hollidays. I'll be away from friday 10th to wednesday 15th and then again from 22th to the 3rd. Should I get a replacement, or do dom3 games take breaks on the off season?

[earcaraxe]

if u find a replacement, that would be very kind of u. If not, i will postpone.

[Num]

Please look for, and most of all find, a sub. It would be painful to stop for 20 days. Actually the pace is not that fast.

[Lihaässä]

I wouldn't mind to have a christmas break. There is alot to do and I will also be out of town quite a few days. BvG's suggestion suits me well.

I recall that this game was set for people who are not in a horry. hosting: on lamaserver, 24 hrs initially with great tolerance to holidays and bigger intervals later as usual.I would anyway recommend switching to 36 hosting interval. It's quite cumbersome to fight on 4 different fronts. (even though the two enemies are becoming a larger threat than me)

[BvG]

I think i'll just stale, it's not that I'd miss huge opportunities, and a replacement would probably just immediately decide to go ai ;)

[earcaraxe]

sorry for the zmey in brightstone, he got loose and somehow didnt follow the intentions of the abysian generals. It will retreat immediately.

[nrasch]

@Lihaässä - You evil fiend you! How much did you bribe LlamaServer to ignore my turn and stale me?!?! ;)

On a happier note, happy Friday! :)

May your spiders have a great weekend doing... uhhh... well, whatever spiders do on a Sat.

[Lihaässä]

@Nrach - Propably as much as you paid for the developers when few turns ago my beautiful Ember Lord retreated to enemy terriory with no wounds and fatigue and your troops were routed ;)

Out of curiosity.. did both of your thugs die when retreating to my territory? nicely built btw..

@Admin - what about the christmas break and turning to longer hosting intervals?

[earcaraxe]

i postponed the game until the dawn of dec 16 GMT.

I prefer sticking to this hosting interval, at least for a couple turns from now. I suggest talking about it again aftter turn 60.

[Lihaässä]

@Admin - It seems that llamaserver didn't approve your extention.. This is from our game site. Should we play turn 55 today?
Game: Great_Forum
Turn number 55
Next turn due: 15:05 GMT on Sunday December 12th

i postponed the game until the dawn of dec 16 GMT.

[earcaraxe]

thanks!

I postponed it again, this time i will doublecheck.

[earcaraxe]

lamaserver still resists my attempts. I will give it a couple more tries. if the turn resolves today - despite my efforts - it will be invalid, and the game will be rolled back, so no need to send the 2h-s in today.

[Lihaässä]

@ Admin - It seems that everyone rushed their turns in. Maybe we could have the delay for turn 56.. right after you have played your turn? What do you think?

[Num]

I would like to emphasize that we do need the help of everyone, including you R'lyeh (calling you crustacean people was something friendly if you ask) and you Jotunheim (not a puppet but a reasonnable point of view do have to make everything against The Hydra, remote attacks or anything). Every action must be done against Machaka.
We do need you, God of bbq, to attack and crush the enemy in the center, quick, I implore you.
But beware, there are tons of Tartarians Gods and monstruous thematic creatures, fully equipped with the best artifacts ever created which are waiting for you (and are attacking me, aside).
What about collecting everybody's astral gems in order to dispel the Machaka's global enchantments ?

[earcaraxe]

Dear fellow players!

I'm quitting dominions for now and that means both of my games. It has been a pleasure to play this game with u, i learned a lot about the game and about people in general. thanks for joining this game i set up. I would like to pass the admin password for someone who is willing to do manage this (it has been a very easy task so far). u might want to find a new leader for the lavapeople and their evil lord of death.

happy christmas to everyone and even more happy wargaming in the future!

earcaraxe

ps.: i have postponed the game by 48 hrs.

[Num]

Not sure about what thinking of this...
Kind of disappointed (but convinced that a game must be very fast to hold the players in) and demotivated.
I could take the admin role, but I am not a lot flexible, I guess. And my available time is not extensive.
Do you plan to find a substitution ?

[nrasch]

I'm also available to do the admin work if you all like. I'm pretty much near a computer 24/7. :)

[Lihaässä]

@ Earcaraxe - I'm surprised, but thanks for setting up the game. Could you seek your own sub?

@ Everyone else - I think Nrasch would be a better option to host the game.. 24/7 availability sounds great for hosting purposes :) I think we need at least until wednesday to get things rolling.

[earcaraxe]

i would like u to seek a sub for me, i'd prefer to not put any more time to dominions. bye all!

[nrasch]

All:

I have the admin password. So, I can admin the game, or I'm happy to send the password to some one else to admin.

I think at this point we have an extension, and we are looking for a sub, correct?

It is too bad he didn't leave after the great war w/ Lihaässä was over.... we could give one of the losers his empire to keep playing.

I'll setup a post later today asking for subs. I'll also throw another 24 hour extension on our game while we come to a consensus.

Lastly, I hope everyone is having a good weekend.

Nathan

[Num]

Thanks for managing the game, Nrasch. Yes we shall need an extension of time.

I have already written a post asking for a sub. The position of Abysia is very good, I think it is an interesting role to play.

Do not expect to destroy Machaka easily, all I see in the nortwest corner is frightening, I hope the coming of Abysia will be decisive.

And I am still ok for a Christmas break, althought not too long (but we did not play a lot the last weeks anyway...).

[nrasch]

I assure you I wasn't assuming Lihaässä is going to be the loser! I have nothing but respect for Lihaässä's Dom3 skills, and I as much as anyone could end up vanquished before it is all said and done.

Also, I think we have a great group of people in this game, and I feel lucky to be playing with such skilled players.

I would encourage everyone to ride out this bump, and then I'm sure we'll be back in action shortly. :)

Thanks!
Nathan

[nrasch]

Hosting postponed for Great_Forum by 48 hours. The game will now host at 21:05 GMT on Tuesday December 21st.

Please note that this information will not be updated on the game status page for a few minutes.

- Nathan

[Ragnoff]

I posted in the sub thread as well, i would be willing to sub. Pming nrasch my email info.

[Num]

Hello and welcome,

Take your time before playing and sending your turn. Maybe you need a summary of the situation ? Ask anyway.

Nrasch it would be great to give one or two days extension for the next turn.

And maybe everybody wants a break for Christmas, as already discussed (until 1st of January ?) ?

[nrasch]

So I vote we induct Mr. Ragnoff into the game. Some one 2nd the motion? :)

[Edit] Nvm! Looks like Num has already took care of this. I'll update Abysia's email address to Ragnoff's. Also, Ragnoff, thanks for joining us!!!

How about next turn on Dec 22nd, and then off till Jan 1st? Sound OK?

Thanks!
Nathan

[Ragnoff]

I have been reading through the thread but as I am not sure the opening post is correct if I could have a brief summary of the current NAPs. alliances and wars that would be greatly appreciated!

The thread has been a fun read, but I got a bit confused...

[Num]

Well, you should hear Lihaassa too but :
There is an alliance since turn 50+ of Bandar Log (Nrasch), Shinuyama (BvG), Abysia (You !), Jotunheim (Finalgenesis) and me (Vanheim) against the Evil Genius Machaka (So, Lihaassa).
Machaka is leading the game since the beginning (in terms of everything) and is full of overpowered monster supercombatants, equipped with the best artefacts available. Of course, research is at his maximum, or almost. His gem income was huge for a long time, only reduced by the steal of the Eternal Pyre by Abysia and my Vans raiding the rearfront.
In addition, Machaka has destroyed Man, is at this time destroying Shinuyama with ease, and is already at war with Bandar Log and me. Machaka is much powerful and is going to win soon if we do not stand and defeat him.
Only R'lyeh is neutral (but should help us anyway). The previous player has declared war against Machaka a few turns ago (need to check the nap end turn) and we are waiting you to attack. We need you. Badly.
Here you are. Diplomacy is simple, isn't it ?

[Lihaässä]

@Ragnoff - welcome aboard! I wish you look through the game statistics instead of Num's propaganda. He's attempt to turn everyone against to Machaka has become rather annoying. Just look objectively before acting. Abysia hasn't attacked me with single troop so far and as I see it, you shouldn't either. If you have read this thread through you can see that there is a lot to take everywhere around you.. not just across the tiny border we share. I'm willing to take a NAP5 with you if you decide not to attack.

@Nracsh - thanks for stepping in and taking the responsibility of hosting.

@Num - I didn't take a single province from Man. I give the full recognition of their destruction for PvG and Muse :)

[nrasch]

Hey all, I just checked Llama server, and Abysia and Van haven't sent their turns in. Do we need another extension?

I want to ensure Abysia has enough time to get up to speed.

@Ragnoff - I believe you and I have a NAP 5 in place, as I gave you a province for the treaty as well as some goodies.

Lihaässä and Num have done a great job summing things up as far as diplomacy and state of the game, so I won't add anything to their fine work. Needless to say, you get to play kingmaker in this one. ;P

Nathan

[Num]

Kingmaker ? Not at all.

Anyone who have some scouts in my lands and in Machakas could see there is no summon monsters in mine, anyone who can look at the stats could see that I am far away in research, and that the province number do not represent something real (I have landed some lone raiders this turn).
And anyone in the game since the beginning can give evidence that I am not (from far) leading the game. I was never in this position.
At last, there is an evidence that there is no choice : Every player has agreed that Machaka is the only one threat, the alliance has not happened for fun. Not detroying Machaka here and now is giving him victory in 25 turns. No discussion about that.
If you follow the game from turn one to 55, I have never been in a position to win. Never. Not one time. And certainly not now.

I would like every player could testify.

Anyway, I can play my turn this evening in no time, but Abysia shall need more time for sure...

[Ragnoff]

It does look like the previous ruler of Abysia ended the NAP with Machakas, but I cannot tell if offensive action was possible on this turn or next, although I think it is next turn.

One thing that is a bit of a problem is the unique summons, I am not sure what has been sighted so I am afraid I will be throwing gems/slave away on things already summoned. Not sure if there is really anything to do about that though.

I should be able to get this turn in on time.

[nrasch]

OK all, as discussed, next turn will be due on Jan 1st. I hope everyone has a great Christmas and Happy New Year. :)

Also, I will be checking this forum and my email if anyone needs anything.

- Nathan

[Num]

Hello and happy new year,
It should be a good idea to dispel the Gift of Health and Maelstrom globals. We may all send something like 100 (or less for a very wounded nation) astral gems to anybody who can perform effectively (strong astral, penetration items, magic site) one dispel after the other. I can do it if needed.
Gift of Health is probably first in priority. I believe this is urgent.
In addition it would be very helpful to harass Machaka in the rear and kill population, attack rear provinces or use any well-intended spell to weaken the spiders economy (Please do not do it in the northern territory, that may interfere with mine).
I implore everybody to do whatever he can do to attack, hamper and weaken Machaka. If you do not want to, you can abandon right now, you have just lost.

[Lihaässä]

@Num - I'll have to consider quitting the game if you continue playing on behalf of all armies. This is getting ridiculous. There's enough challenge fighting on four fronts.

[Num]

I am sorry, this is not intended to ruin your enjoyment.

But what am I supposed to do ? Wait to see everyone being destroyed one after the other ?
Where is the challenge ? You are crushing everything with ease. It is probably already too late for us.

And I have to repeat obvious things, the players are not the same as the beginning (and there is no way to discuss anywhere else). I cannot ask other player's help another way.

But you know that if there is no alliance (or not strong enough, or organized enough) against you, you have won.

[Num]

@Bandar Log
You can take, cross and attack Eastern Landbridge (124), I do not need that province to go north (my troops are able to hide, cross the sea and teleport across).

@Bandar Log, Abysia, Jotunheim and Shinuyama
I can dispel efficiently Machakas globals, please send me astral gems you get available to do it, I cannot do so alone.

[Lihaässä]

@ Admin - Is there a reason for the extension for host until Tuesday? It seems that Muse is the only one who hasn't sent his turn yet.

@ Everyone

Lihaasa:

So I'm cheating and sending you a private message.


I'm not going to attack you any more w/ Bandar. It is unfair in my opinion for the entire world to pick on you.

So, expect no more mind hunts and attacks from your eastern border.

Also, I hope you had a great Christmas and New Year's.

Nathan

You shouldn't cheat.. somehow the forum will anyway hear what you have spoken ;). I'll post this one in the spirit of the first post and the game setting. Don't give up.. there's a lot to take behind you and you have strong astral.. something I or your competition cannot achieve easily.

- Ari

[Ragnoff]

Unfortunately as Bander's most likely target this will keep me from fighting the spider people with any vigor, I have to be on guard vs Bander. This likely hands Lihassaas the game

[Num]

That is right, this is giving victory to Lihaassa (who deserve it, no discussion about that). Diplomacy is just All.
Anyway, even if I have just lost, Machakan armies and monsters must come and destroy my nation. I shall defend myself proudly.

@R'lyeh, if you are still giving a look sometimes here
If you do not want to play, please give the hand to the AI...

[Ragnoff]

I am ending the NAP with Bander, pulling out of the attack on Machaka is tantamount to an act of war! When your messengers bring you your monthly reports in Early Winter (turn 66) expect to find reports of me holding your lands!!!

(Offensive orders can be given in turn 65, we read about them in turn 66, is this how you understand the NAP 5 to work or do I need to give offensive orders in turn 66?)

[Finalgenesis]

To R'yleh, we seek NAP 3/5 with you.

-Jotun

[Num]

Saturday ?!?
If the point is make everybody giving up and leave, this is the best way for sure.
One turn a week, every turn last until the last second, is there any motivated player left ?

[Finalgenesis]

Wah? What's going on? Whose admin and what happened to host time?

[nrasch]

I'm the admin, and I had no clue the host time was so far out. I took over hosting, and this is the first time I've done it. Maybe it was a hold over from the holiday changes we agreed to make?

I'm sorry about the delay, and I'll get it changed ASAP.

What is a good hosting window anyhow? 24 hours?

Nathan

[Finalgenesis]

oh oh thx for admining the game! I think we were on 72 hrs hosting? Not sure.

I think 60 hrs (2.5 days) hosting is a good compromise. What say others?

[nrasch]

Oh, and for reference here is what Llama server has to say about our current settings:


Next turn due: 15:30 GMT on Saturday January 15th

Hosting interval: 48 hours
Quickhost mode: On
Reminder e-mails: Send 9 hours before hosting


Thanks!
Nathan

[Lihaässä]

The turn 62 should be be played before Saturday, not 61.

I recommend using force host, since everyone was aware that the turn should be in today and there has not been a single ask for a delay. I don't like seeing people stall their turns but it's a lot better than losing the game.

48 h hosting interval is OK by me for now.

Hello! Please find the attached turn file - Machaka turn 61 for the game Great_Forum.

The next 2h file is due in by 15:30 GMT on Thursday January 13th.

[nrasch]

OK, if I don't see any request for a delay in the next few hours we'll force the turn. I'll leave the hosting interval at 48 hours.

If anyone else has any comments or questions please let me know.

Nathan

[Finalgenesis]

Thanks for staying on the ball! 48h okay

[Lihaässä]

@ Admin - It's starting to be annoying that turns are delayed without any notice. My plan was to play turn 65 today since I cannot play before Sunday evening. Because of this I request that turn 65 is not hosted before Sunday evening 22.00 +2GMT

I don't blame you for the delays Nrasch :) Maybe there is just something in the settings.

Hello! Please find the attached turn file - Machaka turn 64 for the game Great_Forum.

The next 2h file is due in by 18:45 GMT on Wednesday January 19th.

[nrasch]

Doh, I'm very sorry. I don't know why it keeps doing that. :(

Does some one else have some experience hosting? I'll be happy to share the password, and we can resolve this once and for all.

Nathan

[Calahan]

Just popping in to say that the turns keep getting delayed due to how the llamaserver reacts to various events. In the past there were problems with the llamaserver, such as hosting games while its email client was down, and (when patches came out) accepting turns and hosting games with different turn versions, which caused problems in games for obvious reasons.

As such, llamabeast added a few auto-delay scripts to his server, whereby it would immediately delay games if it detected a patch, or if it detected a problem with its email client. And over the past week or two, these auto-delays have triggered a few times due to the patch (maybe email problems as well), and this has subsequently led to many games being automatically delayed, and without the admin of the games doing anything.


The llamaserver is a great server provided free of charge to the Dominions community by the very generous llamabeast. But in return for this, players who use it have to realise that there are times the llamaserver experiences a few problems, and there are times when a few gremlins creep in that means it stops functioning smoothly. And at these times, players need to have a bit of patience, and common sense, until the problems are sorted out. And patience in this case can sometimes mean waiting a few weeks, and not a few hours, for all the problems to be sorted out by llamabeast (who himself has a full time job and a busy real life)


But the patch has now officially been released, and while I can't speak directly for llamabeast or his server, the llamaserver does appear to have been updated, so all these auto-delays should now stop (or at least all of them related to the patch), meaning the server should now be back to operating its business as usual.

Although forewarning, if a bug is reported in the patch that prompts the need for another patch release (which is what happened with the last patch IIRC), then you can expect the same auto-delays to kick in due to the patch. And as I said, if that happens, the patience and tolerance of the players who use the server is appreciated, while the llamaserver is sorted out.


And, I hope all that helped answer the question as to why all the delays keep happening :)

[Lihaässä]

Thanks for stopping by and sharing information Calahan! In this kind of case I have no problem to wait. Only remaining issue is the uncertainty of the next hosting time.

[Lihaässä]

@ Admin - I would still like to have host delayed to sunday evening 22.00 +2GMT. Thanks!

[Num]

@Abysia
I am close to the point when I shall not be able to defend myself effectively against Machaka. My territory is full of invincible monsters I have hard times to fight with.
If you could finish off Bandar Log very quickly, we should have a chance.
@Jotunheim
I seek your help to fight Machaka. Althought I do not know how you could reach the spiders provinces...
The same for you R'lyeh, though you can easily attack.

[nrasch]

@Num - Don't count out Bandar so quickly my friend.

Also, should it look like I'm going to fall, be assured Machaka will have a big goody basked heading their way full of gems and gold. Fair punishment for having Abysia attack me!

[Lihaässä]

Hello from the LlamaServer.

I received an e-mail from you, but unfortunately there seems to be a problem with it.

Your 2h file seems to be for a different turn number to the one the game's currently on. The 2h file is for turn 67, while the game is now on turn 68.

Details of your e-mail:
Subject: Re: New turn file: Great_Forum, Machaka turn 67
Sent at: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 20:30:52 +0200
Attachment: mid_machaka.2h

Almost there ;) maybe next time I'll send turn in 52 seconds before hosting!

[Ragnoff]

@nrasch - of course I am only attacking you because you backed out of your commitment to attack the spiders AND tried to cheat (sent a private message) to do so!

[BvG]

@Ragnoff wow privmessage, we should have made him quit?

I'm not exactly hurting the spiders, but then, neither is he me :)

But what I actually wanted to ask, with the Dominions crash on llamaserver, do we roll back, or do we all take the stale turn?

[nrasch]

yep, I told lahassa i wouldn't attack cuase i felt bad he was getting gang banged. if u think that is cheating i'll be happy to step down and give up my spot in the game.

nathan

[Finalgenesis]

I see, so you've basically been private pming a few times already, once to Lihaässä and ragnoff that we know of which suggested more in the past. Once someone called you on this inconsistency you basically threaten to throw a tantrum.

You are aware this is an open diplo game and all diplomacy is to be done through forum? It would otherwise seem that you suffer a complete failure to grasp the basic concept of gamesmanship while sounding righteous about cheating.

[Num]

It is probably better to not play and send anything before being sure we could continue safely. So if a stale shall happen, that will be for everybody. That will be balanced I guess.

Right now, the game has just disappeared. Please do not play, we must avoid a rollback.

For public diplomacy, well, you know the rule.

[Ragnoff]

I was NOT private messaged. I was referring to the private message nrasch sent to the spiders (in which he even acknowledged that he was not supposed to be sending a PM). I have not been here long, but the first thing that I read was no PMing or chatting, all communication handled in the thread.

The other thing I was told was my predecessor and join an alliance specifically countering the spider people. I stated earlier that I felt pulling out of that alliance was an act of war, and thus ended the NAP with the monkey folk.

[nrasch]

@Finalgenesis - Whoah! I have NOT been PM'ing anyone but Lhassa ONE time. I DID NOT PM Ragnoff (who had better set the record straight). Also, I am NOT throwing a fit.... if you think I cheated then honor demands I be willing to step down gracefully.

Finalgenesis I think you took the tone of my last message completely wrong.

This is text in a forum right? You can't see my body language and so forth, and it is easy to attribute a tone to some one's words that doesn't exist.

In this case I not throwing a fit, being rude or anything else. I'm offering to quit if you think I was cheating by sending one--and only one--PM to Lahassa stating I felt bad for him being ganged up on.


Ragnoff, I need you to step forward and confirm that I didn't send you or anyone else you know of a private PM. Also, to clear my name, I would ask that if anyone on this board has been PM'ed by me to step forwards and post it here. I want everyone to see that no such thing has occurred.

Nathan

[nrasch]

And in other news....

What if anything do we need to do about Llama server barfing?

I haven't logged into the admin part of the game yet, as I don't want to mess anything up.

Nathan

[Ragnoff]

@Finalgenesis - Whoah! I have NOT been PM'ing anyone but Lhassa ONE time. I DID NOT PM Ragnoff (who had better set the record straight).
Nathan

I the post above this I already said you had NOT PMed me. I am sorry if I gave any other impression.

I used the word cheating because your PM to Lahassa starts with:

Lihaasa:

So I'm cheating and sending you a private message.

I felt backing out of the alliance as you did, especially by PM, was TREACHEROUS! I am not questioning your honor as a player, but your action in this game. I am the target that tactically, once I was engaged with Lahassa and you were building forces on the sideline, you should attack! I also agree with Num that if your resources are not fighting the spiders we will lose (we are losing anyway, that will make it certain) and your lands likely hold the most S gems we need to dispell GoH. As you decided not to stick with the alliance and commit your resources willingly, I am trying to acquire those resources.

Your statement that you are going to send everything to Lahassa should you lose suggests that I was correct in my assumptions about your intentions. Sending everything to the game leader... <shakes head>

[Num]

The private message is no big deal.

I think we should wait until the server has recovered safely, and once this done (if done oneday...), you should set up two days for playing, like every other turn.

[Finalgenesis]

if u think that is cheating i'll be happy to step down and give up my spot in the game.

nathan

Ah I seem to have misread sincerity with something else.

I'd agree pming once is no big deal under the circumstances (just don't do i... get caught again), it's what I incorrectly perceived to be a bad attitude that made me actually jump in the fray.

[BvG]

whoops sorry for the escalation on the pm stuff...

anyway, will we rewind the "lost" turn, or not (whenever it arrives...)

[Num]

It looks like it is ok. For everybody I hope ?...

[nrasch]

@Finalgenesis & Ragnoff: I wanted to say no hard feelings on my side whatsoever. I can understand how my message(s) could have been taken as being rude etc. Frankly I'm having a great time in this game, and I'm glad to have a chance to play with everyone. :)

Thanks!
Nathan

[BvG]

So do we simply send this turn? it seems to be fine on my end too...

[Lihaässä]

@ Nrasch, thanks for the gems.. I hope you are not giving up? You may try bells of cleansing and demon banes. Also those Shishs (Air summon) which has special bite against demons. If you need some anti fire equipment I could forge some.

I'm clad that the conversation about cheating has come to an end. From my perspective game "rules" were that everything should be posted to the forum. I posted Nrasch's PM and my answer to it. If you're more into chatting in irc or using PM's it's no biggie for me as long as you bring your conversation here as it was.. hopefully when the topic is still relevant ;)

@ Num I am close to the point when I shall not be able to defend myself effectively against Machaka. My territory is full of invincible monsters I have hard times to fight with.
If you could finish off Bandar Log very quickly, we should have a chance. Please.. you have SC's as much (or more) as I have. You've owned the last few fights with your lightning batteries and Zmey's. Do you have a forging site where your precious pretender sits?

[Num]

Deciding who is the most powerful is now an absolete debate, if you have taken a look at the war south of our lands... Anyway, graph scores are displayed to be seen if you mind. And you do know where my pretender is, don't you ?

[Ragnoff]

Ok, I asked this when I first came aboard, and got little to no response, so I will ask again, what NAPs currently exist between ANYONE?

Here is the list from the first post: (NAP3 unless a 5 is listed)


Bandar log - Abysia (Since cancelled)
Shinuyama - Abysia
Jotun - Bandar Log
Bandar Log - Vanheim
Vanheim - Jotunheim
R'lyeh - Abysia
Jotunheim - Abysia (5)
Machaka - R'lyeh
Bandar Log - R'lyeh (5)
Shinumyama - Bandar Log
Shinuyama - R'lyeh (5)
Abysia - Vanheim (5)
--------------
After I joined Bander Log promised not to attack Machaka, Jotunheim has asked for but not received a NAP from R'lyeh, and I cancelled the Abyssia-Bander Log NAP
--------------------------

Is this still basically correct? Are there any others?

Ragnoff

[Num]

That is correct for my part : I have signed a pact with Finalgenesis-Jotunheim (3 turns), Bandar Log (5, with the previous player Grijalva) and Abysia (5, with the previous player Earcaraxe).

[BvG]

Entries containing Shinuyama are correct.

[Finalgenesis]

Entries with Jotun is correct

[Ragnoff]

Bander Log is down to 3 forts, one under attack this month and the other two under siege. Two months ago the spider people re-awoke the cold war by attacking Abyssians, and this past month the Abyssians reminded the Machaka that we can HEAT things up for them!

Is it to late? Have Shinumaya and Vanheim been beaten down? The North route is open for Vanheim to take the fight back to Machaka but do they have any spirit left? The resources of the faint hearted apes are being added to the alliance's war effort, but the number of tartarians controlled by the spider people is frighting!

[nrasch]

For the record I hope the spiders eat you for lunch. :)

Also: Very fun game; had a great time playing w/ you all.

Nathan

[Num]

Kingdom of Vanheim is still standing next to Machaka, and is ready to push back the ugly Spiders to their swamps (which they should never leave if you ask).

Thanks for letting us the northern road. I shall need it.

@Nrasch
Thanks for playing, really sorry have seen you abandon our alliance.

[Ragnoff]

The Assault on the final Stronghold of the monkey-folk begins, let the temples sacrifice all this month and next to the glory of or God!

(It has been a good war! I was very unsure how it would go at the beginning, and I thank you for a good fight!)

[nrasch]

Same to you Ragnoff; well played!

[Num]

@Ragnoff
Now that I have stopped Machaka (Thanks to your help who makes him looking elsewhere too), I shall need some room to counterattack, preferably in the North of Machaka territory (north of the mountains and next to the northern sea).
Please do not send some of those Zmeys wandering in these lands. Thanks a lot.

[Lihaässä]

@ Admin (you still host the game Nrasch?) I'd like a delay for hosting until Monday evening 28th.

There is also going to be a break from my part btw. 10.3.-29.3. This is of course if I'm not wiped out of the game before that.

Sorry guys.

[Ragnoff]

Machaka staled, and he had asked for a delay until NEXT Monday, then another delay 5 days later for 16 days.

It looks like the admin missed the request. So what do we do now? Stale when you had asked for a delay and in several MAJOR wars is a huge problem, might this be a time to justify a roll back?

I am PMing Nrasch to be sure he sees this.

What do players think?

[Finalgenesis]

Ouch, even though I've heard of the great evils associated with rollbacks, I'd be okay with it in this case as this is a major impact to the game and pretty unfair.

[nrasch]

All:

Thanks for the PM. Not sure why my thread notification didn't fire off. :(

If you guys need a rollback please let me know. I'm happy to do whatever is needed.

Also, I'm willing to pass off admin to some one still active in the game if you think that will avoid these issues in the future.

Thanks,
Nathan

[Num]

Rollback must be done on this one for a fair game, definitely yes.
I can handle the Admin role, but I am not available everytime, so probably not the best to do it. As you wish.

[Finalgenesis]

I think the next part for delay - 16 days will a) require a sub or b) have them go AI if they don't have enough to matter and all agree.

[nrasch]

OK, rollback has been initiated. I'll also start extending the deadline for the next turn until I hear what the consensus is about the request for the long delay.

Nathan

[Finalgenesis]

Given I only really had 1 course of action last turn, I wonder how my opponent will destroy me using the foreknowledge he now has, it would be irony to have some excellent victories turn into defeats from the rollback.

[Num]

It is Lihaassa's responsibility to choose wether find a sub or go AI if nothing could be done better by a human player. I don't mind doing a break of 15 days, I am not in a hurry.
Anyway, I do not aknowledge every player's situation but maybe it is the first time that someone could claim victory (I am talking about the fire creatures if you ask). What do you think ?

[Finalgenesis]

I'm good with calling it, it seems the game is suffering a decline in general interest level and on top of the recent happenings together would indicate a good place to calling it.

Though of course I'm not a consequential contender in this game, and was contemplating turning AI given the various happenings and decline of late anyway.

[nrasch]

The ghosts of the monkey people weep bitter tears at the thoughts of the evil fire people winning. ;)

[Lihaässä]

@ All - Thank you for rolling back for turn 79. It has been impossible (and still is) to play my turn, but I'll be able to send in my turn before Monday evening 9pm +2GMT.

About winning with consensus.. I have to say that given handicap 3 to 1 most of the game doesn't justify lifting one of the ones in alliance to any pedestal. If you want to end the game before the break I'm having, be my quest. But, in that case the winner in my eyes is the Alliance against Machaka - not one god but a pantheon ;)

I've had a really good game and wouldn't want to hand out my hard work for any sub. Unless it's Baalz or some other genius who could turn the table once more:D Feel free to PM me, in this case I'm willing to stand out from the competition for good.

- Lihaässä

[Ragnoff]

I am enjoying the game and would like to continue, but was not one of the originals. I am ok with the long break, there are other things I can do in the meantime.

Ragnoff

[BvG]

I'd like to play a bit more, but I am really not a contender for anything, besides the "most noob player still in game" award maybe ;)

[Num]

Nrasch, could you postpone the next turn as requested (monday night) ?

[nrasch]

Of course. I've been keeping a sharp eye on this forum now that I know sometimes my notifications don't go through. :)

[Ragnoff]

Remember Everyone, with the roll back delete the last turn 80 you downloaded, resubmit turn 79!!!!!

[nrasch]

So there was discussion of a long break, ending the game, and/or finding a sub for Lihaässä. Do you all know what you want to do? Should I suspend all hosting till a consensus is reached?

Thanks,
Nathan

[Finalgenesis]

Vote end the game.

I doubt I can muster the will to come back to this game after a long break after a rollback.

[Lihaässä]

@ All - It seems I was a little too late and staled again. The next too weeks will consume my energy because I'm finalizing my wedding arrangements and after that comes honeymoon. Even though I asked for a very long delay earlier, I think I should withdraw from this competition for good.. It's just too hectic atm.

I hope you don't find me as a quitter. I'll wait your decision about ending this game before posting for a sub.

Sorry

- Ari

[Ragnoff]

hmm, apparently the extension was not long enough, Machaka still stalled. (I think his request was for later tonight.) So fixing this would mean another rollback, and then another long delay once we get this fixed so we would only get 3-4 turns in before the next delay. While I would like to continue the game, this is not looking good.

Ragnoff

Edited to add: Congrats! The wedding is certainly more important! I am for finding a sub as theoretically that would men no long delay and we can keep playing. But no rollback! while that stinks a bit for the new machaka player in that he/she will be coming off a stale, that position is certainly strong if we are willing to revisit the political situation when the new player steps up.

[Num]

Congratulations for the wedding.

The position is probably not as strong as it was. Machaka is now struggling and is going to be crushed (maybe very easily). I think going AI is the easiest way for us to continue a bit. How can we give this nation situation to a new player ? That would be no interest at all for anybody.
Let's go AI Lihaassa and let's continue the game a little more. Nrasch please give the admin role to someone like Ragnoff.

[Finalgenesis]

I understand the argument for against going AI (and finding a sub) to be that AI basically gets steamrolled and equal free provinces for their human neighbors causing an unfair advantage to other players in differing position to exploit the spoils.

I've seen that where possible AI options tend to be for small nations with very few provinces to the point where it won't impact the game too significantly.

However we are talking about 37 provinces game leader (statistically).

For the record, I don't really care in this specific case. And really, we've had rollback and all the work, so why not add this to the list.

Finally, with the upcoming likely AI of Machaka on top of a rollback, I would like to officially bow out of this game as it has been disrupted and ruined to the point where I don't feel obligated to stick to the end.

Let me know if you want me to AI or attempt a sub.

[nrasch]

Ragnoff will now be admin. Good luck to you all.

Nathan

[Num]

Well the point is Machaka was the most powerful, but this time is ended. Do not forget that he was fighting against two nations (Shinuyama and me) during a long time, without decisive ending. Then Abysia has attacked, and is currently crushing Machakan territory, probably with ease. I have destroyed for my side at least 6 full-geared Tartarians in the last two turns and there is almost nothing left next to my armies.

Anyway this is for me simply obvious that Abysia is much more powerful than Machaka or me, or you Jotunheim, or anybody, apart from his central position, momentum and ability to eat all of Machaka alone.

So I agree to say that Ragnoff has won, but Machaka gone AI will have no effect as a result. I too vote for closing the game. Lack of interest and broken balance since the defeat of Machaka have both killed the game (Lack of a good pace has played a role too).

PS : R'lyeh has abandoned the game ? Are you sure ?

[Ragnoff]

Ah SHOOT, I had a mental short-circuit and though Finalgenesis was playing R'Lyeh!

OK, I guess that is a wrap. I don't think I have won, I think I could be stopped as Machaka was, but it would need to be a joint effort are likely soon as I am certainly gaining momentum and getting my own Tarts into play despite not having GoH or the Challis (if you summon enough of them, you get good ones).
Ragnoff

[Finalgenesis]

Ah SHOOT, I had a mental short-circuit and though Finalgenesis was playing R'Lyeh!


Understandable :rolleyes:

[Ragnoff]

well remember I was not in from the start and had almost no interaction with either of you!

I would like to test out some to the things I was working on, I do not know if anyone else would as well. To this end I will let hosting resume with next turn due at 15:25 GMT on Thursday March 3rd.

If you would ALSO wish to continue turns to check anything out let me know. If you are done with the game, please set your nation to AI so that the folks messing about are not waiting on you for turns. Anyone who stales twice will be set to AI.

This is strictly unofficial, the game is officially over with Abyssia leading but no clear winner.

Thank you for letting me join in the fun!

Ragnoff

[Num]

I think you could claim victory, as nobody is able to compete, even if allied together (and do not forget our alliance is still living until Machakas end).

We are far less powerful than what you get (for what I see). I for my part have something like 10 or 12 Asynja, not fully equipped, 15 Vanjarls light equipped for raiding, and only one big stealthed army, with lots of Vanadrotts (20?) and Gnomes but few troops (no more than 35 Vans or Valkyries). 2 Queens of Air, one King of Fire, one Ember Lord, a few Zmeys, but not one unique blood big boy (but 80 storm and knight demons and 500 slaves left).

My income is low, my gem income is ok (100), plus 80 slaves a turn from costly blood hunting.
So I do not think I am a powerful contender. I have spend too much time fighting Machaka with no result other than attrition, and I have begun very lately blood hunting. The northeast corner is so poor that I have never get more than 2600 gold a turn with 40 provinces.
All the beginning of the game was great for me, with 2 good allies Jotunheim and Bandar, I had time to build a powerful nation, to beat Ermor and get room to develop and finally destroy Ulm. But later my lack of experience has let me becoming less potent than other contenders (althought MA Vanheim looks very strong to me, this is the first time I have loved that much my nation, with air, earth and blood magic, stealthed and sacred armies, very enjoyable).

Finally I regret the complete lack of a good pace of play, which have made the game fell in interest and motivation for everyone, resulting in long intervals and abandons...

Anyway, thanks to everyone who played that game for any time, congratulations Ragnoff for the game, and Lihaassa for the wedding (and being my best enemy too).