Rock the Cradle--Noob Only! (RUNNING)

[earwicker7]

@earwicker7 - Pangaea would like to renew the NAP between us with a 3 turn NAP where we agree not to attack each other without at least a 3 turn warning that the treaty will be broken.

We send you this cute, fluffy, killer forest bunni as a sign of our goodwill.

- Pangaea

I have returned your bunny, dear sir... hopefully it does not miss it's head :hurt:

Sorry, bro, the treaty was violated when you moved into the buffer zone. No hard feelings, but we're at war.

[CthulhuDreams]

If Bandar log explains what that insane message he sent me means, I might be able to formulate a response.

Unless it's supposed to be a joke?

[Nosantee]

If Bandar log explains what that insane message he sent me means, I might be able to formulate a response.

Unless it's supposed to be a joke?

How could you possibly understand a monkey people? They'd probably just be yelling things like 'Monkey like eat kalamari' at you pre-attack

[CthulhuDreams]

My current hypothesis is that Marakata's had been huffing paint, then decided to throw rocks into an Octopus

[Colonial]

I was trying to infuse some light humor into the preceedings, and take the piss out of your Thing That Should Not Be. guess our simmian brains have more capacity for humor than you simple calimari.

@ Domenje:

I would sell a hammer for water gems, if that is a more available resource to you...

[CthulhuDreams]

I was trying to infuse some light humor into the preceedings, and take the piss out of your Thing That Should Not Be. guess our simmian brains have more capacity for humor than you simple calimari.

@ Domenje:

I would sell a hammer for water gems, if that is a more available resource to you...

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. But how did you know....

AAaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

[nrasch]

@earwicker7 - Pangaea would like to renew the NAP between us with a 3 turn NAP where we agree not to attack each other without at least a 3 turn warning that the treaty will be broken.

We send you this cute, fluffy, killer forest bunni as a sign of our goodwill.

- Pangaea

I have returned your bunny, dear sir... hopefully it does not miss it's head :hurt:

Sorry, bro, the treaty was violated when you moved into the buffer zone. No hard feelings, but we're at war.


Hrmm, read back over the messages. :)

I said I was going to take that province to act as a buffer zone between us. I didn't say no one would take it, and then jump into it myself, which would have been rather dishonorable.

So, considering that, I again offer your a 3 turn NAP. :)

- Pangaea

[fumanstu]

Thought I'd better stick up a post, apologies for staling one turn a while back - I think I thought I'd already done the turn - I was surprised to discover I hadn't! :mad: I'm also on GMT so tend to do my turn in the evenings after work, so that's why it sometimes looks like I'm cutting it fine to the deadline. ;)

Nice to see you're all having a good time but if anyone needs to send me a message - please do so in game or via PM so I get an e-mail. With a little baby to look after, I don't have time to keep up with the thread. ;)

[Kaelik]

I know it's a rookie game, but it's still really balls annoying to lose so badly to such a rookie mistake.

Bottom line, the great Arco/Man battle, every single one of my casters was scripted with a spell that costs one gem as their first action. I forgot to bring any gems.

Result: Not only did I miss out on my first round of powerful essential spells, I also proceeded to have all my casters to not follow script for after that either, and just generally suck ***.

/cry for me Argentina.

[Nosantee]

I know it's a rookie game, but it's still really balls annoying to lose so badly to such a rookie mistake.

Bottom line, the great Arco/Man battle, every single one of my casters was scripted with a spell that costs one gem as their first action. I forgot to bring any gems.

Result: Not only did I miss out on my first round of powerful essential spells, I also proceeded to have all my casters to not follow script for after that either, and just generally suck ***.

/cry for me Argentina.

I'm trying to figure out what spell it is. Since your casters are only 2N1A or 3N and one with 2A2S it makes me curious. I'm guessing it'd be Wind Guide for the sorcerer. Maybe Growing Fury? Couldn't be Haste cause that wouldn't have helped. Foul Vapours? No no W mages...

What 'battle changing spell' were you thinking of that requires a gem and able to cast at that level? I know you have Thaumaturgy 2+ and Enchantment3+ and Alteration 3+... Can't find it.

And I made a huge mistake too, I kept my rearmost near my mages. I lost 3 of my good mages! the other 1 of the 4 was just a mystic that I didn't care much about. Also lost a few elephants. Poor dears.

[Kaelik]

I'm trying to figure out what spell it is. Since your casters are only 2N1A or 3N and one with 2A2S it makes me curious. I'm guessing it'd be Wind Guide for the sorcerer. Maybe Growing Fury? Couldn't be Haste cause that wouldn't have helped. Foul Vapours? No no W mages...

What 'battle changing spell' were you thinking of that requires a gem and able to cast at that level? I know you have Thaumaturgy 2+ and Enchantment3+ and Alteration 3+... Can't find it.

And I made a huge mistake too, I kept my rearmost near my mages. I lost 3 of my good mages! the other 1 of the 4 was just a mystic that I didn't care much about. Also lost a few elephants. Poor dears.


Hey everyone, Arc had 14 Astrologers and 3 mystics down in that fight, it's also most of his army. Blah blah blah, publicly state information like a dick.

FYI, he also has enslave, Thaum 6, ect blah.

Quit being a ****ing dick Arco. Stop publicly posting info.

Also, stop quoting me as saying things I haven't said.

[TheConway]

I'm trying to figure out what spell it is. Since your casters are only 2N1A or 3N and one with 2A2S it makes me curious. I'm guessing it'd be Wind Guide for the sorcerer. Maybe Growing Fury? Couldn't be Haste cause that wouldn't have helped. Foul Vapours? No no W mages...

What 'battle changing spell' were you thinking of that requires a gem and able to cast at that level? I know you have Thaumaturgy 2+ and Enchantment3+ and Alteration 3+... Can't find it.

And I made a huge mistake too, I kept my rearmost near my mages. I lost 3 of my good mages! the other 1 of the 4 was just a mystic that I didn't care much about. Also lost a few elephants. Poor dears.


Hey everyone, Arc had 14 Astrologers and 3 mystics down in that fight, it's also most of his army. Blah blah blah, publicly state information like a dick.

FYI, he also has enslave, Thaum 6, ect blah.

Quit being a ****ing dick Arco. Stop publicly posting info.

Also, stop quoting me as saying things I haven't said.

I say good sir, there's no need to be quite so alarmed.

[Kaelik]

I say good sir, there's no need to be quite so alarmed.

I am not alarmed. I am pissed that dick**** mcgee has to go around ****ing stating what all my casters are, and what all the research he knows I have is, even when other people wouldn't have that info, in public.

It's ****ing stupid. First he decides to publicize the fight turns before it goes down, then publicly states everything he gathered from that. It's a ****ing dick thing to do, and I'm ****ing tired of it. I don't go around saying exactly what his research/unit composition/ect is, because I'm not a ****ing dick.

[TheConway]

I say good sir, there's no need to be quite so alarmed.

I am not alarmed. I am pissed that dick**** mcgee has to go around ****ing stating what all my casters are, and what all the research he knows I have is, even when other people wouldn't have that info, in public.

It's ****ing stupid. First he decides to publicize the fight turns before it goes down, then publicly states everything he gathered from that. It's a ****ing dick thing to do, and I'm ****ing tired of it. I don't go around saying exactly what his research/unit composition/ect is, because I'm not a ****ing dick.

Please, this is not really so bad as you think. Your reactions are quite the motivation for his continuing though I suspect.

Edit: True dominions dick moves are like chrisp pulling this: http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showpost.php?p=671414&postcount=205

Oh and btw, this is a REAL dick move:

[Quitti]

I say good sir, there's no need to be quite so alarmed.

I am not alarmed. I am pissed that dick**** mcgee has to go around ****ing stating what all my casters are, and what all the research he knows I have is, even when other people wouldn't have that info, in public.

It's ****ing stupid. First he decides to publicize the fight turns before it goes down, then publicly states everything he gathered from that. It's a ****ing dick thing to do, and I'm ****ing tired of it. I don't go around saying exactly what his research/unit composition/ect is, because I'm not a ****ing dick.

Oh my.

[Kaelik]

Please, this is not really so bad as you think.

Bad how? Bad for me that he tells other people info? No, it's not very bad. Bad of him to be going around saying **** like that? Yes. It is. It's very bad mannered to go around telling everyone in the game everything about one of the players.

Vanheim gave out Capitol information, and other info on Marignon, but because he's not a huge ****ing dick, deleted the post when he realized it was bad mannered.

Arco insists on escalating his bad manner further and further every turn.

Your reactions are quite the motivation for his continuing though I suspect.

While I am sure he delights in the knowledge that he is pissing me off, because he is a colossal dick, he's already made it abundantly clear that he's the kind of colossal dick that would bad manner the game regardless.

[CthulhuDreams]

Leaking infomation is part of the game, if there is an advantage to be netted :)

[TheConway]

BTW Kaelik, do you use the word dick this much in real life, or is this an isolated occurrence. Its makes your posts much less interesting to read than if you made use of a wider vocabulary. :)

[PriestyMan]

Its what's on his mind lately methinks

[Kaelik]

BTW Kaelik, do you use the word dick this much in real life, or is this an isolated occurrence. Its makes your posts much less interesting to read than if you made use of a wider vocabulary.

I am using a wider vocabulary. It's just that most of it ends up being replaced.

Its what's on his mind lately methinks

Your homophobia isn't interesting.

[Korwin]

Kaelik don't make me more noble than I am.

I deleted no post/info. The info you got via game Message.

[PriestyMan]

[I am using a wider vocabulary. It's just that most of it ends up being replaced.


**** is a really wide spread dude. at least try and add an extra star. like i can call you *****! look! wider vocabulary! And i hear you even counted arco's mages wrong :P

[Kaelik]

**** is a really wide spread dude. at least try and add an extra star. like i can call you *****! look! wider vocabulary! And i hear you even counted arco's mages wrong :P

Um... Are you getting stupider over time?

You are complaining that I'm not using a variety of words. Now you are complaining that I could be using too many words and you don't know which.

Those are exact opposites. If I am using different words each time, it doesn't matter if they are with four asterisks or five.

Now please stop trolling this thread that has nothing to do with you except that your super good IRC buddy refuses to ever speak for himself and instead begs his friends to troll for him. This is for people in the game, since you aren't in the game, go away.

[Quitti]

go away.

Oh dear.

[Colonial]

@ PriestyMan, Quitti, TheConway

Come one, come all! step right up to the newb fighting event of the week!

in the left, we have Nosantee, playing the part of Arcoscephale and employing a strategy of well placed devulging of national secrets to the receptive audience

in the right, we have Kaelik, playing the part of Man. His use of lyrical language alone is worth the five euro entry you've payed.

so set back and enjoy the show. please only prod the combatents with the pointy sticks that we have provided for that purpose.

:smirk:

[Quitti]

Sticks!? I want mine! I never got one!

[Kaelik]

Apparently moderators here have this thing where they make it their goal to defend the poor trolls, so I anticipate being banned very shortly.

All communication will have to be done via messages or email if you have it, as I will not be visiting this forum ever again.

[Korwin]

Turn postphoned as asked for by Man.

[Nosantee]

Apparently moderators here have this thing where they make it their goal to defend the poor trolls, so I anticipate being banned very shortly.

All communication will have to be done via messages or email if you have it, as I will not be visiting this forum ever again.

I'm fairly sure you're just saying that in the heat of the moment, but if you're really going to be leaving Shrapnel there are two places I know of that you can go to that are either Dominions 3 based or have threads for it so you don't have to stop playing the MP version of the game.

first is the invision forums for dom3
http://z7.invisionfree.com/Dom3mods/index.php?act=idx

second is the SomethingAwful forums, I haven't been there myself. They also charge a 10$ subscription fee.

Can't condone leaving here, since almost all games use these forums on Llamaserver and almost always need a forum post sign in. You'd essentially be quitting Dom 3. Which is silly, cause this game is awesome.

Eitherway, have fun, it was nice playing with you :3

[Annette]

Apparently moderators here have this thing where they make it their goal to defend the poor trolls, so I anticipate being banned very shortly.

All communication will have to be done via messages or email if you have it, as I will not be visiting this forum ever again.

Sorry to interrupt, but I thought I should repeat here what I've written via pm to Kaelik. Our moderators don't read every post made on these forums. Nor we do keep tally of every player in every multiplayer thread. Instead we rely on you all to report posts that you believe violate the forum guidelines using the Report Post icon at the header of the post. This brings a particular post to the attention of moderators for review and action, if deemed appropriate. Kaelik's posts were moderated because they were reported. I've offered him the opportunity to calm down a bit and reconsider how he'd like this to play out.

Annette

[nrasch]

@Fumanstu: Can you please change your settings on this forum to accept private messages? I need to talk about our trade with you. :)

Thanks!

[Nosantee]

I require earth gems. If you've got some for trade gimme a PM and we'll work out a deal.

[fumanstu]

Done! Didn't know you had to turn it on. :doh: PM away! :)

[Nosantee]

Attention all nations!

Arcoscephale further requires more space for which to expand, and while Man is being claimed from the East, we now turn our attention to the West.

Shinuyama, Bandar, and R'lyeh. You have entered the scope of this nation.

We are currently...
Leaning towards Shinuyama
Leaning away from BandarLog
"It'd be a huge hassle" from R'lyeh

Become prepared, and know that at this moment, we are currently starting the count down the turns of our NAP 5 we and Shinuyama have. If you'd like to re-direct the attention of Arcoscephale, we may be tempted.

5 Turns remain.

[CthulhuDreams]

If you try and invade me I'll kick your teeth in.

Otherwise, have fun!

[Domenje]

ryleh attacks me

[CthulhuDreams]

I don't think Vanhiem deserves to die just yet.

[Colonial]

@ Nosatee:

wow, your not going the suprise attack route, are you?

@ Dominje:

You must admit, you were getting cheeky

-----------------

Marignan attacks me.

[Nosantee]

@ Nosatee:
wow, your not going the suprise attack route, are you?


We all have NAPs, remember? I can't suddenly surprise attack, and neither can you, as that'd be breaking the NAP5 I've got with all of you. I have to wait the respective 5 turns we've all agreed upon.

Therefore, I announce it and tell the world we're counting down.

Well, Me and Shinuyama anyways. I am noble, and respect NAPs. Five turns of preparation! Use it well, demon mountain dwellers!

[earwicker7]

Is Marignon going to stale? It's like T minus 1 minute...

[earwicker7]

nrasch--Congrats on soundly handing my butt to me in that epic, epic siege battle. Hope you don't mind that I sieged your other province while your hippie troops were celebrating by taking hits out of bongs made from my troops' skulls.

PS--Hope your prophet enjoys that horror mark! That's what he gets for not using protection lol.

[Korwin]

Turn got submitted, and I got finally squashed...

[Colonial]

Yup, Vanheim eliminated.

Better luck next time my friend...

[Domenje]

can ryleh build castles on land?

[13lackGu4rd]

can ryleh build castles on land?

yes, building castles on land is the default, thus any nation can do that. considering that most maps have a much larger land mass than ocean mass it would be too huge a disadvantage from preventing UW nations to build forts on land.

[earwicker7]

Godspeed Vanheim... we hardly knew ye.

[CthulhuDreams]

can ryleh build castles on land?

Yes, but they DO have a different troop selection that underwater castles. In addition, they also spawn free troops in coastal areas.

[Colonial]

The Gobbos have stalled again...

[earwicker7]

Aaaagggghhhh! What the hell is it with people who can't shoot an email saying "I'm out"?

Should we get a sub, or have them go AI?

[Nosantee]

Aaaagggghhhh! What the hell is it with people who can't shoot an email saying "I'm out"?

Should we get a sub, or have them go AI?

I would love for them to go AI... Hehehehehe

[nrasch]

Haa haa haa, bong hits out of skulls.

Yes, lack of protection.... I guess that is what happens when your prophet is a hippy pot smoker. ;)

Also, should you rethink your attack plans I am still willing to call it even and make peace with you.

Nathan



nrasch--Congrats on soundly handing my butt to me in that epic, epic siege battle. Hope you don't mind that I sieged your other province while your hippie troops were celebrating by taking hits out of bongs made from my troops' skulls.

PS--Hope your prophet enjoys that horror mark! That's what he gets for not using protection lol.

[Colonial]

on the Shinuyama issue, I reckon give him another chance. we know he is busy and doesn't check this board, and its not like he's missed two in a row. maybe drop him an email?

on the subject, might it be time to advance the clock to 36 hours anyway? I know my god is going to be starting a lot of balls rolling in the lab over the next few turns...

[Nosantee]

on the Shinuyama issue, I reckon give him another chance. we know he is busy and doesn't check this board, and its not like he's missed two in a row. maybe drop him an email?

on the subject, might it be time to advance the clock to 36 hours anyway? I know my god is going to be starting a lot of balls rolling in the lab over the next few turns...

His being busy is terrible for my heart when I have a big battle on the next turn

The horrible horrible anxiety

[earwicker7]

on the Shinuyama issue, I reckon give him another chance. we know he is busy and doesn't check this board, and its not like he's missed two in a row. maybe drop him an email?

on the subject, might it be time to advance the clock to 36 hours anyway? I know my god is going to be starting a lot of balls rolling in the lab over the next few turns...

When you said "stalled again" in your previous post, I thought you meant twice in a row. One time seems forgiveable.

I have no problem with 36 hours.

[fumanstu]

Yeah, sorry guys, I actually did my turn and then got distracted by the kiddywink and completely forgot to e-mail it to the server. :mad: What's worse is I'm likely to stale on this turn too as I was out all day yesterday and I'm posting this from my work PC and not my home PC - If you can delay the turn by 4 hours or so, I should be able to get home and get the turn in this evening.

Sorry again. :mad:

[Korwin]

Added 4 hours.

[Nosantee]

Getting to the point where there's one turn every two days...

Sadface. I miss the one turn per day timing.

[Colonial]

must say I prefer a more relaxed pace on this one.

[earwicker7]

Also, should you rethink your attack plans I am still willing to call it even and make peace with you.

Nathan


Thanks, but I have taken over all the indy provinces, so I have to expand somewhere or I'll be turtling.

[Nosantee]

The Astrologers of Arcoscephale have completed a map of the world according to general heresay from other nations!

http://img703.imageshack.us/img703/3646/knownworldaccordingtoar.jpg

*Disclaimer: Location of flags holds no significance.

[Korwin]

Since I'm 'err' - I mean Vanheim is dead, Colonial takes over as Admin (and I take over in Last Rites, where he is dead).
Edit: Sorry almost dead, sort of undead? ;-)

[Colonial]

seems about right.

Incidentally, your telling everyone what's in your treasury...

[Kaelik]

Taking a brief break from my self imposed exile to apologize on behalf of all interested parties.

Apparently you have to set everyone to patrol in order to get combat when someone attacks a fort province.

Hopefully there aren't any weird qualifiers for breaking a siege, but if Arco would be so kind as to stand in one spot for the next turn, the siege will be broken, and that important battle can go down.

[earwicker7]

Fumanstu: there appears to be a rather huge army by my border... just a friendly reminder that we have an NAP in effect, so if you're going to invade, be sure to let me know first ;)

[Nosantee]

Taking a brief break from my self imposed exile to apologize on behalf of all interested parties.

Apparently you have to set everyone to patrol in order to get combat when someone attacks a fort province.

Hopefully there aren't any weird qualifiers for breaking a siege, but if Arco would be so kind as to stand in one spot for the next turn, the siege will be broken, and that important battle can go down.

So I shall stand.

[Colonial]

yeah, and I'm totally the admin now. B*****s.

[Nosantee]

I am in the market for any magic boosting item for Nature or Death magic.

If you can forge Thistle Maces, Moonvine Bracelets, Treelord Staves, Skull Staves, Skull Face, or Flailing Hands I will happily make a trade for these items.

[CthulhuDreams]

I can do that. What can you sell me?

[Nosantee]

I can do that. What can you sell me?

Pm me, we'll work out a deal

On an unrelated note:
You've got about an hour left Marignon! Take your turn or you're gonna staaaaaale!

[earwicker7]

I can do that. What can you sell me?

Pm me, we'll work out a deal

On an unrelated note:
You've got about an hour left Marignon! Take your turn or you're gonna staaaaaale!

About five minutes left... didn't he stale recently (12/10, to be exact)? I hope we aren't losing a player.

[CthulhuDreams]

I can do that. What can you sell me?

Pm me, we'll work out a deal

On an unrelated note:
You've got about an hour left Marignon! Take your turn or you're gonna staaaaaale!

About five minutes left... didn't he stale recently (12/10, to be exact)? I hope we aren't losing a player.

No, he last staled on about turn 5. Shinuyama staled on the 12/10. Two different players.

Can I recommend we boost the turn limit up to 48 hours over the holiday period?

[earwicker7]

Pm me, we'll work out a deal

On an unrelated note:
You've got about an hour left Marignon! Take your turn or you're gonna staaaaaale!

About five minutes left... didn't he stale recently (12/10, to be exact)? I hope we aren't losing a player.

No, he last staled on about turn 5. Shinuyama staled on the 12/10. Two different players.

Can I recommend we boost the turn limit up to 48 hours over the holiday period?

Dude, I was watching llamaserver like a hawk that night so that I could play my next turn, as an epic siege battle was approaching... check out the post I made right before the turn came out. Unless llamaserver is displaying the wrong information (come on, it's the internets, that's not possible lol!), he stalled that night.

[CthulhuDreams]

About five minutes left... didn't he stale recently (12/10, to be exact)? I hope we aren't losing a player.

No, he last staled on about turn 5. Shinuyama staled on the 12/10. Two different players.

Can I recommend we boost the turn limit up to 48 hours over the holiday period?

Dude, I was watching llamaserver like a hawk that night so that I could play my next turn, as an epic siege battle was approaching... check out the post I made right before the turn came out. Unless llamaserver is displaying the wrong information (come on, it's the internets, that's not possible lol!), he stalled that night.

You can check the stale statistics on llamaserver.

http://www.llamaserver.net/doAdminAction.cgi?game=Rock_the_Cradle&action=showstales

We can see that two turns ago, Shinu staled - afaik, that was the 12th but I may be misremembering.

[Korwin]

Per the Link Marignon stalled turn 33

[CthulhuDreams]

It occurs to me that I might be talking about historical stales and you might be talking about this one.. in which case.. whoops.

[Nosantee]

Hopefully he doesn't stale again. Waiting 30hrs between turns makes me sad.

[earwicker7]

So we can access the admin account???

[Nosantee]

So we can access the admin account???

You can't do admin things like forcing turns, but yeah. If you click the admin options link it'll take you to a page with a bunch of stuff. One of the links on it is 'show stalling data'

[Korwin]

So we can access the admin account???



Colonial has the PW (and I'm still around), but you don't need the PW for the stalling statistic. If that was you question.

About changing the player, I would wait with starting to talk about it until he missed/stalled two turns in a row.

[Colonial]

yeah, there's two things you can check without being admin. one of them is stalling data.

I hope he doesn't stall again. It would make my war somewhat one-sided...

[Nosantee]

yeah, there's two things you can check without being admin. one of them is stalling data.

I hope he doesn't stall again. It would make my war somewhat one-sided...

It would horrendously unbalance the game if he dropped. Essentially free provinces/forts for R'lyeh, Bandar, Man, and maybe Aby if he can reach over there. While Me, Pangaea, and Shinuyama are stuck up north fighting amongst ourselves.

[Colonial]

hmmm, should I extend the turn to make sure he doesn't stall again? he's also in a strong position for subbing if it comes to that.

[Nosantee]

Marignon submitted! Whew, here I was all worried.

[earwicker7]

That's good that he's still in.

I forgot to copy my saved game to my thumb drive, otherwise I would have sent my turn in this morning... I'll do it at soon as I get home.

[Domenje]

man attacks me

[Nosantee]

man attacks me

I approve of Man having to fight a split war

[CthulhuDreams]

Can someone sell me death gems?

Also wanted to buy: Ring of the Warrior

Can sell: Nature, Astral, Air, Earth and anything you can make with those schools of magic.

[earwicker7]

Can someone sell me death gems?

Also wanted to buy: Ring of the Warrior

Can sell: Nature, Astral, Air, Earth and anything you can make with those schools of magic.

If you could start fire-bombing Pangaea's coastline, you can have my death gem income (currently four per month) for the next ten turns.

[Nosantee]

Can someone sell me death gems?

Also wanted to buy: Ring of the Warrior

Can sell: Nature, Astral, Air, Earth and anything you can make with those schools of magic.

If you could start fire-bombing Pangaea's coastline, you can have my death gem income (currently four per month) for the next ten turns.

Wow, someone sounds desperate!

[earwicker7]

Can someone sell me death gems?

Also wanted to buy: Ring of the Warrior

Can sell: Nature, Astral, Air, Earth and anything you can make with those schools of magic.

If you could start fire-bombing Pangaea's coastline, you can have my death gem income (currently four per month) for the next ten turns.

Wow, someone sounds desperate!

I'm not doing very well... it is my first MP game, and I'm learning a lot of valuable lessons the hard way lol.

[nrasch]

@earwicker7 - You crazy goof; I offered you peace several times even after you attacked me! ;)

[earwicker7]

@earwicker7 - You crazy goof; I offered you peace several times even after you attacked me! ;)

Everyone, take note... THIS is the type of guy you want to play MP with! Even when I'm begging for others to attack him, he still has a sense of humor.

Well played, my friend, well played.

But someone still needs to help me destroy him :)

[earwicker7]

Marignon staled again. I think it's time he gracefully finds a sub.

[Colonial]

hmmm, he's never stalled twice in a row...

changed to 36 hour turns. I was surprised it hadn't been changed already.

[earwicker7]

hmmm, he's never stalled twice in a row...

changed to 36 hour turns. I was surprised it hadn't been changed already.

True, but he's staled three times in one week. That's bordering on 50%, which is totally throwing the balance out of whack, favoring those nations at war with him.

My opinion... ask for him to gracefully bow out. If he doesn't, give him a final warning that, if he misses one more turn, he's getting switched to AI.

Why are people so averse to just asking for an extension??? He's obviously not incapacitated or anything; I'm sure he's just really busy and doesn't have time to play, but the nice thing to do would be to admit it, ask for the occasional extension, or, if that won't work, move on, instead of dragging the game down.

[CthulhuDreams]

His english isn't very good.

[Nosantee]

We should really start finding a sub, since him going AI is just as bad as him not being here (aside from the turn time lol)

I really don't need to go to war with someone and conquer a prov of theirs when they conquer two that turn thanks to the AI/Stalled opponent.

[earwicker7]

[QUOTE=Nosantee;766413]We should really start finding a sub, since him going AI is just as bad as him not being here (aside from the turn time lol)QUOTE]

Agreed... does the admin want to make a new thread?

[Colonial]

Thread made (http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?p=766455#post766455)

[Colonial]

as per the consensus, I've found a sub. now it looks like mari is back in the game.

advise me please.

[Nosantee]

What has he said on the matter? I assume with all this sub talks he's said atleast SOMETHING about it to anyone. If he stalls again it'll be number 4 which is basically saying 'I quit'

I'm leaning on giving it to the sub. If he refuses to say anything then give it to the sub since he's obviously too busy. if he says Yes I can stay in it was all coincidence etc then let him keep it.

[Colonial]

told the sub I'd get back to him in 24 hours. that should give us some time to sort this out...

[earwicker7]

I'm also leaning towards giving it to the sub. I'd be willing to cut him some slack if he had bothered asking for an extension, but staling three times in one week, WHEN YOU'RE WINNING THE GAME, with no communication, gives me the impression that he'll turn in his moves when it's convenient, but otherwise will just say, "Eh, why bother?" I believe that, if he's allowed to stay, it's only a matter of time before the problem comes up again.

[Colonial]

while we worry about mari, shinuyama is about to miss his third turn as well...

[Nosantee]

while we worry about mari, shinuyama is about to miss his third turn as well...

While he does have 3 hours, I feel the need to yell HURRY! HURRY MAN OR I WILL CONQUER YOUUUUUU!

[CthulhuDreams]

as per the consensus, I've found a sub. now it looks like mari is back in the game.

advise me please.

You need to PM mari and get him on the line and find out what is going on :)

[earwicker7]

Only 20 minutes to go and no Shinuyama...

[Nosantee]

Only 20 minutes to go and no Shinuyama...

Actually it's was 40 minutes ago, Colonial extended the time by an hour it seems.

Sadly it seems in vain... Luckily Shinu isn't a huge player, should he go south... well... I'll just make good use of him guys, don't worry.

[CthulhuDreams]

Yea Olde gear shop open for sale: I can make everything construction 6 in the game (almost, just empowering fire, then I WILL be able to make everything).

If you want gear, drop me a line and pricing.

[Colonial]

I did give us a one hour extension. I saw it was five minutes to go and no goblins, so I figured the potential positive out weighed the hour wait.

I'm glad that my southern war is beginning to show some life, even if there was a stall.

[Colonial]

so I'm taking a vacation 26-31st apparently. shall I find I temporary sub, or do other people want to take a hietus?

[earwicker7]

I'd say just do a hiatus... it seems silly to get a sub just for five days.

[Nosantee]

No no no, just stall for 3 turns. It's cool man we'll take good care of your guys.

I'm seconding the hiatus, seems odd for a 5 day temp. Just set it up to not auto host (I think thats what you do) and it'll host when everyone has submitted

[nrasch]

Sounds fine w/ me too. :)

And.... Have a good Christmas all!!!

Nathan

[Colonial]

perfect.

next week I will turn off the auto-host. If we all get a turn in, so much the better, otherwise there's no rush. Should turn it back on around new year's. If it's possible for me to send you all a couple emails when I change the autohost, I will.

I'll bring a cheeky stick drive with me so if I do get some time on the net I can upload. but don't expect it.

also, did everyone like my christmas oak?

[Korwin]

I think you want postpone hosting or change hosting intervall.

[Colonial]

hosting postponed 6 hours, to allow for goblin thick-headedness

[Colonial]

so it doesn't seem to have accepted my postponement...

also shinuyama seems to be dead in the water. Sub it?

[Nosantee]

so it doesn't seem to have accepted my postponement...

also shinuyama seems to be dead in the water. Sub it?


Hmm if the Marignon sub will accept it that could be a quick fix since the 6hr extention everyturn has fixed his stalling problem lol. You'll have to say in the post "War imminent" if you make a new sub needed thread.

[Colonial]

if we do get a sub, could I request you give him a set grace period of one or two months to get to know the empire before invading?

[Nosantee]

But but but, my entire army is sitting on his border, I was going to set my army to attack on turn 40! My nation is in debt and I must anex his cap

[Colonial]

christ dude.

if you want to do that, you find the sub.

I'm not gunna write, 'a spot free lying in front of a steamroller. Improve your skills at having your a** handed to you.'

on the other hand, we could turn it ai.

[earwicker7]

If you find a sub, just be sure to mention that any agreements I had with Shinuyama were with the player, not the nation, so I reserve the right to either ignore them, or renegotiate them, since a three-turn-notice peace agreement is pretty worthless if the person has been out of the loop two turns in a row.

[nrasch]

Just put em on AI... sounds like at least two players are about to invade wholesale.... I doubt human is going to contain the carnage much better than the computer. :)

And I say this as a sub who has taken positions like Shinu's at least three times in the last few weeks. Death is mostly swift. ;)

- Nathan

[Colonial]

all right, send him ai then?

I reckon postpone this turn 12 hours just to give him a final chance, then bam!

I think I'll ask Korwin (former Mr. Vanheim) to turn him AI for us, he's still the only guy who knows the master password...

[Korwin]

all right, send him ai then?

I reckon postpone this turn 12 hours just to give him a final chance, then bam!

I think I'll ask Korwin (former Mr. Vanheim) to turn him AI for us, he's still the only guy who knows the master password...

Sent the Master PW to Colonial, but changed Shin to my E-Mail.
I'll try to die slower than the AI would.

[Nosantee]

Guess I'm in for a battle after all. Prepare the starshine skullcaps and the S2 mystics! We've got some teleporting to do...

And here I was all excited for a comp-stomp!

[Colonial]

sounds like fun. I'm happy I'm no longer missing the carve-up of an AI, to be honest.

[Korwin]

Am I at war with someone other than Arco?

Edit: And is someone other than me at war with Arco?

[Nosantee]

We aren't actually at war yet, We had a 5 turn nap and he's stalled 3 times. It's been 8 turns now so it's ended. (5 for the NAP and 3 he Stalled) I was nice enough to give him a 1 turn extension on the nap for each turn he stalled.

I'm also at war with Man.

[earwicker7]

Am I at war with someone other than Arco?

Edit: And is someone other than me at war with Arco?

Well, the previous owner and I had a three-turn notification peace treaty, so I guess I'll honor that (and would hope you would in return)... so I'll be invading you in three turns lol.

Don't worry, this was going to happen whether or not Shin went AI; I'm not picking on you :)

[Nosantee]

Hmm Marignon would have staled this turn had it not been for the 12hr delay Colonial added. Hope it isn't a sign to come since he still hasn't submitted.

[Colonial]

I get the impression he is one for submitting at the last minute...

Wouldn't mind another turn tonight :S:S:S

[Korwin]

Hmm, if I am not at war with anyone. Why don't I have more mages?
Nobody killed Shins mages?

[Colonial]

hmmm. ****e player?

Whin really benefits from alot of mages as well...

[Domenje]

how can i improve blood vengeance?

[Nosantee]

So 3 hours to go and half the folks haven't submitted. Maybe we should get an early start on that turning off quickhost so it only goes when everyone submits?

[earwicker7]

So 3 hours to go and half the folks haven't submitted. Maybe we should get an early start on that turning off quickhost so it only goes when everyone submits?

I just turned mine in.

[Colonial]

Changed. It checks every week now.

of course now Marignon won't turn his in for a week :S

[earwicker7]

Changed. It checks every week now.

of course now Marignon won't turn his in for a week :S

So it will be set back to 36 hours on 1/1/11, correct?

[Nosantee]

Changed. It checks every week now.

of course now Marignon won't turn his in for a week :S

Haha that'd drive me nuts. I'd love to get in another turn or two before you went on vacation and Marignon taking his time doesn't help that

[Colonial]

I know exactly what you mean :(

[CthulhuDreams]

I know exactly what you mean :(

Change the turn schedule so he gets a 6 hours left reminder notice, then extend it again :)

[Korwin]

turn hosted, back to 36 hours?

[Colonial]

allright, back from the alsatian snowscape. I was in a region where half the town names end in 'Heim'. Had a bit of fun with that.

so Dominje has messaged me. apparently he is out. I think I will get him subbed, then turn the timer to 48h. how does that sound?

[Nosantee]

allright, back from the alsatian snowscape. I was in a region where half the town names end in 'Heim'. Had a bit of fun with that.

so Dominje has messaged me. apparently he is out. I think I will get him subbed, then turn the timer to 48h. how does that sound?

Is the sub we had lined up earlier still available?

[Colonial]

Been PMing the guy, looks like he is still willing to take it on. should be back on schedual with all 8 players quite soon.

[CthulhuDreams]

Everyone will have noticed I put up the forge by now. I will make rings of wizardry and sorcery for anyone who wants one at 50% off list price.

Just send me the pearls.

Unless you are Marigon

:D

[Nosantee]

Everyone will have noticed I put up the forge by now. I will make rings of wizardry and sorcery for anyone who wants one at 50% off list price.

Just send me the pearls.

Unless you are Marigon

:D

...Or... OR you could send the dashing Arcoscephale all your pearls and let their powerful powerful mages disjunct that nasty nasty global.

How much does FotA give anyway? I'm imagining 25%

[Colonial]

its 50%.

thus why its absolutely crazy.

[nrasch]

Hrmm, I dunno about sending stuff to Arco. I tried many times to enter a NAP with him, and he keeps talking of 'when I need more land...' (i.e. I'll be his next target soon).

Personally, I've enjoyed dealing w/ Ryleh, so I'd rather lose to him than Arco. ;)

If Arco wants to sign a long-term NAP, then I'm happy to send him some pearls. Otherwise Ryleh can do as he wants; he's made no aggressive moves towards me.

- Pangaea

[Nosantee]

Haha you misunderstand. It's not so I can empower my astrologers or forge expensive astral gear, it'd all go to dispeling FotA

If everyone still alive donated 50 pearls I'm sure we could get it down and dead.

[13lackGu4rd]

"Otherwise Ryleh can do as he wants; he's made no aggressive moves towards me."

the thing is, putting up the Forge of the Ancients is an aggressive move against you, and the rest of us! Forge of the Ancients gives him a 50% discount on all items! and it stacks with hammers(Dwarven as well as the special artifact ones)! imagine what he can do with all those items, and the ability to forge artifacts(construction 8, which he has). that's why the Forge of the Ancients is considered as 1 of the game breaking globals, up there with Astral Nexus, Arcane Corruption, Utterdark, etc. casting any of those basically means "I win the game unless everyone gangs up on me to stop me", now it's up to us to gang up on him and stop him, just like he asked us to do...

[Colonial]

so forge of the anchients plus hammer of the forge lord would mean a 100% reduction, but the maximum is 90% so that is what it gives, correct?

so even if you have no gems left over, you might as well forge a 5 gem thing for free, and if you have a few go with a ring of wizardry for 6 gems or that pimp-assed death armer for 4 gems?

yeah, sounds like a deal...

===========================

right so in the list of 'game breaking' artifacts, most of them personally f**k up every other empire (like utterdark or astral corruption), with the exception of this one and the arcane nexus. this one we know, the nexus gives its owner 1 pearl for every 2 gems (actual gems, not pearls or slaves) spent by every player that term. this often means 100+ pearls and 2 wishes per turn.

the one we are dealing with means equiping a mad SC which would normally cost 40-50 gems to equip for like a tenner...

[CthulhuDreams]

"Otherwise Ryleh can do as he wants; he's made no aggressive moves towards me."

the thing is, putting up the Forge of the Ancients is an aggressive move against you, and the rest of us! Forge of the Ancients gives him a 50% discount on all items! and it stacks with hammers(Dwarven as well as the special artifact ones)! imagine what he can do with all those items, and the ability to forge artifacts(construction 8, which he has). that's why the Forge of the Ancients is considered as 1 of the game breaking globals, up there with Astral Nexus, Arcane Corruption, Utterdark, etc. casting any of those basically means "I win the game unless everyone gangs up on me to stop me", now it's up to us to gang up on him and stop him, just like he asked us to do...

Sure, if I wasn't running in third place this might be a concern. But let's face it.

I am not currently winning the game. I might, if you are GENEROUS consider that I am running a distant third. Why would you gang bang me in this circumstance? I'm not an immediate threat. There is a future in which I will be a threat, but it is a distant future indeed.

Colonial and Nosantee currently winning the game. I know you are pissed at me personally Blackguard, because, along with Man and Colonial I am currently attacking you. Sorry, bad situation with the guy you are subbing for who decided to be a bit of a tool.

Nothing I can do about that. Someone else in this game is already packing the steel ovens, someone else is running at over twice my RP, and has been for the entire game, and someone else is about to summon end game SCs (I do not have access to any SCs atm except golems).

The only person who is really incentivised to attack me this game is you:

Nosantee (Current game leader, imho) is already fighting two people, and has to watch colonial

Colonial is already fighting you (he can stop though), but he has to bulk up enough to be equal to Nosantee once Nosantee finishes eating Man and Shinu

Abysia/Pangea: Attacking me ensures that we both lose the game. Taking me down will hurt, and I will make them pay. If they took me out, they are going to be looking at Nosantee or Colonial having a game winning lead.

Of course, you are in a bad position with me. Indeed, kicking me out of your turf is probably a great move. I respect this.

It is also the reason you are calling a lynch mob on me. But let's be absolutely clear: The only reason to kill me is to get me off Marigon's back, if you think that will help ensure that colonial will not get a run away lead.

To that end, I am willing to talk turkey on a peace deal if you are :)

Additionally, to ensure that the delta I gain from the forge will be controllable, I extend offers of discounted forging to everyone who is not currently yanking my chain. It has to REMAIN profitable for me, but I will forge you you

Regards,

The Squids.

[Nosantee]

Clever words to decieve

What does a clam cost at 75% using a normal hammer and FotA?

4W 1N

How many of his mages have 3W and 1N for clam production?
All of his slave mages

How crazy is his W income? He's under water... How good is his E income for hammers? He cast FotA didn't he? Just some thoughts for some of you to keep in mind

In 5 turns he'll have 50 clams.

[CthulhuDreams]

Wow, now you're deliberately misrepresenting the truth even after I corrected you in IRC.

Only 1/4 slave mages has a nature random. This is very much different from 'all my slave mages' For further reference, all my slave mages with a nature random can make clams without the forge :)

This should tell you I don't have 10 slave mages with nature randoms, and it should also tell you that your conspiracy theories are completely loopy.

[13lackGu4rd]

CthulhuDreams, you got it all backwards. I don't have any beef with you personally, nor with Man, his invasion is pathetic and I will crush it soon anyway without too much problem. I do have a beef with propaganda and bull**** though, and that's what you're currently trying to use.

FotA is a game breaking global, ask anybody on IRC and he'll tell you that. you say you're currently 3rd, let me ask you, in what? income, gems, provinces, forts, military size, research? oh yeah, and there's this little other problem, being that the graphs are off... so what exactly do you base this claim upon? other than propaganda and bull**** that is...?

"I am not currently winning the game" I just subbed into this game, so my information is very limited, but with the graphs being off I'd say it's safe to say nobody really knows who the current winner is, if there is even 1 nation that is a clear winner at this point.

"Why would you gang bang me in this circumstance?" circumstance? no offense but you brought this onto yourself as soon as you put the FotA up, don't blame everyone else for your wrong doings, accept the consequences of your actions.

"I'm not an immediate threat. There is a future in which I will be a threat, but it is a distant future indeed." future threat? last time I checked you have a golem in my lands with the Sickle(1 of the better artifacts available) which means that you have const8 researched and quite a few artifacts already(as the Sickle is not the first artifact you usually forge). being an UW nation you had a very easy time to remote search all your provinces with Voice of Tiamat, so you should also have a hefty gem income at this stage. const8+massive gem income+FotA=fatal combination. oh yeah, and I didn't even mention that we're playing vanilla, so your hidden gem income is probably huge as well, which makes the "circumstances" as you wanted to call them, so much worse.

as for the rest of the information you willingly shared with us. I have no idea whether it's factual information or mere propaganda on your end, after all the bull**** you mixed in I, and everyone else, need to take it with a grain of salt. however, if what you say is true, than you just made the worst move you could have made. you painted a large red target circle on your forehead instead of divert the attention away from you. so now everyone must focus on you because of the FotA before you spin out of control, instead of the other "game leaders" as you say(again, assuming what you said here is in fact the truth).

so, I have a proposition for you. either you dispel your own global(either kill the caster or waste pearls actually dispelling it) this turn, or suffer a gang bang to bring it, and you, down. if by next turn we still see the FotA up consider it as open season on you.

[Colonial]

first, 'hidden gem income'... unless I'm mistaken, its all hidden.

second, his analysis of the power levels isn't too inaccurate, as of last turn I would have said:

1. Arco
2. Marignan
3. Bandar and R'yleh more or less tied

of course I have no better information than anyone else. That is heavily influenced by out respective territories.

so yeah, the forge is kind of painting a big target on his head...

[CthulhuDreams]

"I am not currently winning the game" I just subbed into this game, so my information is very limited, but with the graphs being off I'd say it's safe to say nobody really knows who the current winner is, if there is even 1 nation that is a clear winner at this point.


It's easy enough to work out - Marigon probably has the most limited scouting position.

But, if as you say you have no idea who is winning, maybe you should just start asking people. I'm happy to cough up scouting information to you, and you can independently confirm it with whomever you like. You can also confirm that the only land provinces I have are those near you, and thus I am not actually that big.

Then you can confirm that I'm not spouting propaganda and bull****. If you also ask someone what turn I conquered Atlantis' capital (which is a chokepoint blocking me from 10 ocean provinces) you can even tell I was not doing very well. Despite Atlantis staling 3 turns at the start of the game Marigon had conqueror-ed the entire south continent before I had captured my 11th province.

I rate you lower than Bandar because I figure you don't have many mages and Bandar has lots, but obviously YMMV. As for the target thing:

I have to do something DRAMATIC to win the game, as I am behind in all aspects. My personal view is I am less than 50% of a front running research per turn count, and I don't have enough gold to max out my mage production so I am falling further behind with every turn.

I'm betting that Colonial, Nosantee and yourself have other fish to fry. Which you do. And you all know it.

[Colonial]

So we have been waiting on man for several days now... guess I will drop him a pm.

I would understand if he wanted to drop out of the game at this point, TBH. He's been fighting a micro-heavy loosing battle for a while now. also he seems to always loose due to inferior scripting, which can be enfuriating...

if we do loose the man player, I recomment putting it ai.

[Nosantee]

So we have been waiting on man for several days now... guess I will drop him a pm.

I would understand if he wanted to drop out of the game at this point, TBH. He's been fighting a micro-heavy loosing battle for a while now. also he seems to always loose due to inferior scripting, which can be enfuriating...

if we do loose the man player, I recomment putting it ai.

Putting him AI... That might be...

Truthfully I've finished this war. His last stand army is down and he's only got a small fleet of commanders in my territory that I'm taking care of this turn. The march is back on and I'll be seiging his cap by turn 44.

It was a difficult fight honestly. Him finding the site that gave him astral mages made this a whole lot harder (Anti-Magic is a pain in the arse) and heavily saved him from utter slaughter at the hands of Eye of the Void equiped Mind Hunters.

[Colonial]

what do people think, shal we update the game to 3.25 when it comes out?

I could see an arguement not to, since apparently there is always a chance that it breaks the save game.

[Korwin]

Lets wait, for someone other to do it first.

[Nosantee]

Hmm looking over the changelog for it it doesn't seem to have any mechanic changers or big things (mostly cosmetic and little unimportant things (Made Yoginis female for example... Did that really matter?))

I say stay with 3.24.

[earwicker7]

Does that mean I wouldn't be able to patch my game at all? Is it possible to have 3.25 on your PC, but still run 3.24 for some of your games?

[Korwin]

Arco is so far out of league for Shino its not funny.
What was the plan from my precedessor?

Look threatening with big number armies and roll over when somebody goes to war?

[Colonial]

@ Earwick: I have my dominions in a folder called 'dominions 3.14' and plan to patch into a folder called 'dominions 3.15'. thats fine for the game, if you have the disk space for it. I'd be up for patching over this game, but if it bugged out it would be tragic.

@ Korwin: I don't think he was a terribly skilled player TBH. no idea what he had planned.

[earwicker7]

@ Earwick: I have my dominions in a folder called 'dominions 3.14' and plan to patch into a folder called 'dominions 3.15'. thats fine for the game, if you have the disk space for it. I'd be up for patching over this game, but if it bugged out it would be tragic.

Excellent... never even considered that.

However, wouldn't the beta team catch a saved games bug? Or has stuff like that gotten through in the past?

[earwicker7]

Llamabeast is recommending that everyone just go ahead and patch the game, as he says it is extremely difficult to keep a game going otherwise, as one of the players will inevitably patche their version. However, it probably wouldn't be a bad idea for everyone to make a backup of their trn and 2h files before submitting their last unpatched turn.

[Nosantee]

What is the process of how we should go about doing this?

[Korwin]

Wait for the Patch to come out?

[Nosantee]

Huh, why is the turn timer set to the 12th???

[earwicker7]

Huh, why is the turn timer set to the 12th???

I checked the server this morning, and there was a message from llamabeast saying that he had accidentally patched the servers with the beta patch. If I recall correctly, since none of us have a patched version, he said there might be some downtime... obviously, the message isn't there anymore, so don't quote me.

[nrasch]

Anyone have Nature gems they want to trade for? I have lots of Death and Earth gems. :)

Thanks!

[Nosantee]

Huh, why is the turn timer set to the 12th???

I checked the server this morning, and there was a message from llamabeast saying that he had accidentally patched the servers with the beta patch. If I recall correctly, since none of us have a patched version, he said there might be some downtime... obviously, the message isn't there anymore, so don't quote me.

Yeah I saw that, but why would not even a day of downtime roll it back nearly a week? Any chance we could set it for sunday evening/monday morning rather than waiting that long. Or has the server set it permanently to be wednesday until everything is taken care of?

[earwicker7]

Huh, why is the turn timer set to the 12th???

I checked the server this morning, and there was a message from llamabeast saying that he had accidentally patched the servers with the beta patch. If I recall correctly, since none of us have a patched version, he said there might be some downtime... obviously, the message isn't there anymore, so don't quote me.

Yeah I saw that, but why would not even a day of downtime roll it back nearly a week? Any chance we could set it for sunday evening/monday morning rather than waiting that long. Or has the server set it permanently to be wednesday until everything is taken care of?

Not a clue. I should have my turn in within a few hours; maybe it will still autohost if everyone's is turned in.

[Colonial]

Changed the host back to a resonable time manually. its currently set to tomorrow evening. should be ok for everyone.

I was probably just being paranoied about the patching. I've haven;t been in the community long enough to see a patching yet, but had heard horror stories :s.

[Colonial]

3 hours 'til process and still waiting on two players :S
===========================

Wait, spoke too soon. now we're just waiting on one.

[Nosantee]

To Pangaea, Abyssia, and R'lyeh who for some reason owns Bald Mountain(71)-

KEEP YOUR DAMN GOAT HEADED, TENTACLE CRAWLIN', BURNIN' FIREMAN MITS OFFA' MY GREY AND GREEN FLAGGED PROPERTY!

That is all

With love
-Arcoscephale

PS: You too Marignon, I'm watching you... Sieging Myrgor Island (16). You stay where you are!

[earwicker7]

To Pangaea, Abyssia, and R'lyeh who for some reason owns Bald Mountain(71)-

KEEP YOUR DAMN GOAT HEADED, TENTACLE CRAWLIN', BURNIN' FIREMAN MITS OFFA' MY GREY AND GREEN FLAGGED PROPERTY!

That is all

With love
-Arcoscephale

PS: You too Marignon, I'm watching you... Sieging Myrgor Island (16). You stay where you are!

Um, get out of my back yard, youngster! :p

[Colonial]

As much a I love seeing my neighbor's bicker, we have a bit of an issue with Nosantee's "green flagged property".

I think this is a case where setting him AI is the only reasonable move. it seems we are all in the middle of a group gangbang, and inviting a sub into that position would be a bit heartless...

[Colonial]

Alright, taking the bull by the horns here.

If, one hour from the time of this post, I have heard no objections, I will be setting Man as an AI. (I will get someone I'm living with to actually do it so I don't see anything...)

[nrasch]

I must say, the bull does seem a bit upset, but you do look rather svelte holding those horns like that.... ;)

[Colonial]

;)

AI turn sent.

down to 7 of us folks.

and I had my father do it, so never say the turn file.

[CthulhuDreams]

ARgh I just ****ed myself. That makes me want to resign.

[earwicker7]

ARgh I just ****ed myself. That makes me want to resign.

Come on, if I've been able to fight a losing battle for ten turns or so, anyone can.

[CthulhuDreams]

well, my turn is already in, so 'want' is different from what I'm actually doing :P

[Korwin]

You can resend your turn, if it has not allready hosted.

[CthulhuDreams]

Nah, it was a **** up last turn because I didn't understand how something worked, and as a result broke a very expensive toy. Woe is me.

[Nosantee]

Nah, it was a **** up last turn because I didn't understand how something worked, and as a result broke a very expensive toy. Woe is me.

I know what happened :3 but only cause you mentioned anything lol. I didn't notice originally till I took a closer look.

[nrasch]

Errr, so what happened exactly? I could totally see myself making the same mistake, as I haven't used any of the returning spells to date.

What was the mechanic that messed up or didn't work as expected?

Nathan

[earwicker7]

Doesn't the mage die if the province it was from is occupied?

[Colonial]

Ah I know what you are talking about. Happen to have had an astral window up. Thats 3 artifacts up for grabs...

I had thought the toy in question had retreated successfully when I saw it. I guess not?

[Nosantee]

Ah I know what you are talking about. Happen to have had an astral window up. Thats 3 artifacts up for grabs...

I had thought the toy in question had retreated successfully when I saw it. I guess not?

Oh yes, it successfully returned... to his Capital... without any waterbreathing items.

I honestly did not think Golems breathed and thus would drown. I was surprised when I found out myself.

[earwicker7]

Ah I know what you are talking about. Happen to have had an astral window up. Thats 3 artifacts up for grabs...

I had thought the toy in question had retreated successfully when I saw it. I guess not?

Oh yes, it successfully returned... to his Capital... without any waterbreathing items.

I honestly did not think Golems breathed and thus would drown. I was surprised when I found out myself.

We need a Nelson Muntz "Ha ha!" smiley lol. Of course, I've made much worse mistakes, so I'd probably be the main recipient :doh:

[Colonial]

Golums can't breath underwater? learn something new every day...


but yeah, that must have sucked.

[CthulhuDreams]

I had to have a rage break. The most annoying part is that I thought it would return to it's home province, not to my capital hence the lack of WB gear.

I head-desk'ed pretty hard.

[earwicker7]

I had to have a rage break. The most annoying part is that I thought it would return to it's home province, not to my capital hence the lack of WB gear.

I head-desk'ed pretty hard.

I always wondered about that... so they definitely go back to the capital?

[CthulhuDreams]

I had to have a rage break. The most annoying part is that I thought it would return to it's home province, not to my capital hence the lack of WB gear.

I head-desk'ed pretty hard.

I always wondered about that... so they definitely go back to the capital?

Yes.

[CthulhuDreams]

I hate to double post, but can we turn the game speed back up to 36 hours? This waiting **** is getting old, I want to play my next turn, and 36 hours is more than enough while accomdating international players.

Personally I'd like to see us go to 27 hour hosting intervals.

[Korwin]

Would have no Problem with it, but I'm only subbing the doomed Shins...

[CthulhuDreams]

I hate to double post, but can we turn the game speed back up to 36 hours? This waiting **** is getting old, I want to play my next turn, and 36 hours is more than enough while accomdating international players.

Personally I'd like to see us go to 27 hour hosting intervals.

It occurs to me re-reading the previous part of the thread that this might be a llamaserver error and not a game admin thing, in which case I generally indicate that I hope we go back to 27 hours when the llamaserver stops hiccuping.

[nrasch]

OK, let me know when to pull the trigger on setting the hosting interval to a lesser amount.

Nathan

[earwicker7]

Maybe 36, but please, not less than that. I'm a busy guy, and I just started a second game.

[Colonial]

yeah, I reckon this has been longer than a 48 hour wait, and I am getting a bit impatient. Lets say if next turn drags on this long, I'll change it to 36.

[Nosantee]

Abysia just assassinated one of my commanders. I was going to attack Pangaea, but it looks like Abysia done declared war first.

[13lackGu4rd]

yeah, I reckon this has been longer than a 48 hour wait, and I am getting a bit impatient. Lets say if next turn drags on this long, I'll change it to 36.

36 hours is bad as it means host time shifts by 12 hours every time, so people with a schedule(work, school, etc) need to find different times to do their turn each time, instead of reserving a certain period of the day whenever its available to do their turn each time. we're late enough in the game to warrant 48 hour turns anyway, heck some games would be on a 72 hour schedule at this stage in the game...

[earwicker7]

yeah, I reckon this has been longer than a 48 hour wait, and I am getting a bit impatient. Lets say if next turn drags on this long, I'll change it to 36.

36 hours is bad as it means host time shifts by 12 hours every time, so people with a schedule(work, school, etc) need to find different times to do their turn each time, instead of reserving a certain period of the day whenever its available to do their turn each time. we're late enough in the game to warrant 48 hour turns anyway, heck some games would be on a 72 hour schedule at this stage in the game...

I have to agree with this... what's the big rush for 36 hours? I was always under the impression that, as the game goes longer, the turn time increases, not decreases. I think we should go back to 48 hours, and if there is a particular person who always waits until the last moment, we'll all gang up on him :D.

[Korwin]

yeah, I reckon this has been longer than a 48 hour wait, and I am getting a bit impatient. Lets say if next turn drags on this long, I'll change it to 36.

36 hours is bad as it means host time shifts by 12 hours every time, so people with a schedule(work, school, etc) need to find different times to do their turn each time, instead of reserving a certain period of the day whenever its available to do their turn each time. we're late enough in the game to warrant 48 hour turns anyway, heck some games would be on a 72 hour schedule at this stage in the game...

I don't understand this reasoning. You would need to submit the turn ASAP, but if you do, you could still play the turn at the same Time of day with an 36 Hour shedule.
Sometimes you would need to wait for the next day, but you could do it, if you want.

[13lackGu4rd]

yeah, I reckon this has been longer than a 48 hour wait, and I am getting a bit impatient. Lets say if next turn drags on this long, I'll change it to 36.

36 hours is bad as it means host time shifts by 12 hours every time, so people with a schedule(work, school, etc) need to find different times to do their turn each time, instead of reserving a certain period of the day whenever its available to do their turn each time. we're late enough in the game to warrant 48 hour turns anyway, heck some games would be on a 72 hour schedule at this stage in the game...

I don't understand this reasoning. You would need to submit the turn ASAP, but if you do, you could still play the turn at the same Time of day with an 36 Hour shedule.
Sometimes you would need to wait for the next day, but you could do it, if you want.

why would you need to submit the turn ASAP? that's a huge limitation already... sometimes you don't have the time right away, and need the delay. a 36 hour schedule basically means that once every 2 turns you lost a good 6-8 hours of potential dominions time due to sleeping. also for people who are used to do their turn each time at the same hour, these 12 hour shifts really make a difference. there's really no reason to keep turns away from normal whole day intervals, so 24, 48, 72, etc.

[earwicker7]

yeah, I reckon this has been longer than a 48 hour wait, and I am getting a bit impatient. Lets say if next turn drags on this long, I'll change it to 36.

36 hours is bad as it means host time shifts by 12 hours every time, so people with a schedule(work, school, etc) need to find different times to do their turn each time, instead of reserving a certain period of the day whenever its available to do their turn each time. we're late enough in the game to warrant 48 hour turns anyway, heck some games would be on a 72 hour schedule at this stage in the game...

I don't understand this reasoning. You would need to submit the turn ASAP, but if you do, you could still play the turn at the same Time of day with an 36 Hour shedule.
Sometimes you would need to wait for the next day, but you could do it, if you want.

I think what he is getting at is that a lot of us have routines, and Dominions falls at a certain time every day. For example, some of us only have spare time at night, so let's say there is three hours worth of micromanaging; with 48 hours, I can be somewhat relaxed and do 90 minutes a day. With 36 hours, depending on where the time falls sometimes I'd get 90 minutes, sometimes I'd have to dedicate three hours.

[Colonial]

So, it looks to me like the llamaserver decided, as it has been doing lately, to arbitrarily postpone our turn a day or two, which got everyone impatient and gave us the idea of 36 hour turns.

I agree with the 48 hour group, and will be keeping the turns there. If you object, buy more mages and micromanage more :p. the next few turns should still be alot faster than the last one...

[CthulhuDreams]

48 hours blow, because the turn keeps 'creeping' forward during the day.

Also, who wants to sell me water gems. I have nature gems going cheap?

[nrasch]

CthulhuDreams: I have 8 water gems I'll trade you for 8 nature gems. I can send them this turn if you confirm the trade. :)

Thanks!

[Nosantee]

CthulhuDreams: I have 8 water gems I'll trade you for 8 nature gems. I can send them this turn if you confirm the trade. :)

Thanks!

You fool! He has a 75% Forging discount! Don't give him anything that isn't 3:1 or you're getting horridly ripped off.

Make it 8 water gems for 24 nature!

[nrasch]

Nosantee: Good point! That squid lover does inhabit the sea.

I demand 12 pounds of lobster, 10000 shrimp, and a speckled sea bass that sings Elvis tunes along with my nature gems you seaweed lover!

Hah! That'll show em!

[Colonial]

while there is talk of trading, anyone have excess earth? I can trade for anything but air or water.

next turn though.

[nrasch]

Colonial:

I have 10 earth I can trade for 10 nature.

If you agree, let me know which turn to send em. :)

[Colonial]

Brillient nrash, sounds perfect. I will send the gems on turn 47 to reach you turn 48. more or less out of gems this turn.

[CthulhuDreams]

I just go badly burnt by a bug to do with ritual of returning, aquatic critters and UW capitals.

I'd like to request a rollback so I can do something that will result in me not losing a significant gem investment. Like.. set the armor of ****ing virtue on fire.

Bug has been independantly confirmed by Calahan:

[Starspawn with 26 HP]

11:32 <Calahan> Yeah, seems like a bug with RoR and being underwater
11:33 <Calahan> log confirms you took 21hp damage
11:33 <Calahan> and auto returning activated

[Starspawn disappears off the face of the earth]

So anyway, I'd really appreciate a rollback. Shouldn't be a huge issue for everyone else as you can resubmit the same turn.

[Nosantee]

I just go badly burnt by a bug to do with ritual of returning, aquatic critters and UW capitals.

I'd like to request a rollback so I can do something that will result in me not losing a significant gem investment. Like.. set the armor of ****ing virtue on fire.

Bug has been independantly confirmed by Calahan:

[Starspawn with 26 HP]

11:32 <Calahan> Yeah, seems like a bug with RoR and being underwater
11:33 <Calahan> log confirms you took 21hp damage
11:33 <Calahan> and auto returning activated

[Starspawn disappears off the face of the earth]

So anyway, I'd really appreciate a rollback. Shouldn't be a huge issue for everyone else as you can resubmit the same turn.

Though thanks to the forge it's really more around 40 gems, less if he used any hammers, it still sucks to get screwed over my a bug.
I vote fully for the 1 turn roll back.

[Colonial]

I'd be up for it. I vote Aye.

If I remember correctly, blackguard strongly objected to a rollback in another game...

[earwicker7]

I'm fine with it... do I wait for a resend of turn 47?

[CthulhuDreams]

I'm not going to weep bitter tears if it doesn't get rolled back, so if there is serious opposition. Did anyone fight any big battles or anything?

If so, that would preclude a rollback proberly.

[nrasch]

Rollback is fine w/ me as well.

Nathan

[Colonial]

The only thing that would happen to me is that I would get the random magic paths on a specter re-scrambled, which would probably be a good thing...

rollback schedualed for 3 hours from now, if we get no objections.

are you going to need to re-upload, cthulu?

[Colonial]

Ok gentelmen,

I've rolled back the turn. I'll give Cthulu around 24 hours to fix up his armer of vertue problem, then re-host.

fingers crossed there are no ****ups.

[nrasch]

So do we all need to resend our turns again?

Nathan

[Nosantee]

So do we all need to resend our turns again?

Nathan

Correct, it's very simple though. If you use hotmail like me I just found the latest send for turn 46 and resent that email.

DO-NOT waste your time and redo your turn since you don't have if you still have a copy of the sent email in your sent folder.

...If you don't have it then I guess you're SOL unless you saved that .2h file.

[Calahan]

Quick post to say that only the player(s) needing to make changes should submit a turn file during a rollback. Or just CthulhuDreams in this case.

The llamaserver still has all the previous turn files that were sent in (even though the status page says "waiting for .2h file"), and if it doesn't receive a new turn file, it will use these old turn files when the turn hosts. So nobody will stale who didn't stale last time.

[Colonial]

Ah, nevermind.

this was going to be a long post about how everyone needed to re-upload, and how annoying that was. I'm glad to hear thats not the case.

we should be looking at the genuine turn 47, with all the dice re-rolled, tomorrow afternoon. or earlier is Cthulu is quick...

Edit: well afternoon my time, whatever that is for you all...

[CthulhuDreams]

Ok gentelmen,

I've rolled back the turn. I'll give Cthulu around 24 hours to fix up his armer of vertue problem, then re-host.

fingers crossed there are no ****ups.

I'm at work right now, but will do it ASAP :)

Edit: ASAP means in 8-9 hours.

[CthulhuDreams]

Turn in.

[Colonial]

re-hosted

[CthulhuDreams]

So.. anyone want to buy the armor of virtue? It's not buggy at all and won't eat your commanders... if your capital is on the surface :D

It's actually pretty bling for a low HP thug relying on awe, luck and ethernalness not to get hit.

[Korwin]

Shinuyama PD defeated an Pangean(?) Army. :D

[Nosantee]

Shinuyama PD defeated an Pangean(?) Army. :D

I saw that, made my day. Aparently centaurs are cowards!

[Nosantee]

As the host has indicated, my income has suddenly sky-rocketed but it is not from cheating. As you can tell, Cthulu has cast Well of Misery and from it springs increased tax revenue from all provinces.

This has aparently given me an additional 700gold/turn. Going from 7500 to 8200. Thank you R'lyeh, I appreciate the boost.

PS: Damnit Abysia, it was funny when you were doing so little with assassinations, but you just killed a very important magic item holding mage in a stack of 60 other commanders, what are the damned odds?

[Nosantee]

Okay, there is without a doubt some bugging out going on. all of my mystics hired last round have turned into hoplites (Still has their magic) and a scout has turned into a Mystic with no magic.

Each of the hoplites I hired 1 of them turned into mystics! This game seems a little ****ed at the moment. One the upside, I now have many S2-3 mages with PROT 18! HAHA!

I also seem to own Ferrus the Iron Mage not as a merc, but actually OWN him in my capital without having placed a bid.

I think the rollback and re-doing of the turn between patches has messed some things up since when I first got the turn it was fine last time.

[13lackGu4rd]

yeah, rollback+new patch is just asking for disaster. too bad you guys rolled the game back so quickly, and I was busy with other things that day, so I didn't even reply in this thread. but as 1 of you said here earlier, I would have strongly objected to it because of these exact things. a bug with armor of virtue? I'm pretty sure it was a known bug already, in fact armor of virtue has quite a few bugs related to it that are known. that certainly is no reason for a rollback Imho, especially when also transitioning into a new patch.

I haven't looked at my new turn yet, so I have no idea how it's looking from my perspective. but I suspect you're not the only 1 with bugs. we'll have to wait and see how many other bugs already popped up for everyone else to see where we want to go from here. but for next time, please for the love of god stop being so trigger happy regarding rollbacks! rollbacks are a serious trouble spot, which is why llamabeast posted that warning on llamaserver and requests you to submit "I am sure", he did that from experience, not because he's a meanie. it's a known issue that keeps repeating itself in various manifestations, basically it's a beast better left slumbering than awakened.

[Colonial]

s**t! I'd bet it's a rollback f**kup.

I have no idea how to deal with this. I think the choices are:

1. Live with it
2. Try another rollback, and hope this one comes without bugs
3. Pester Llamabeast, or someone else who knows what they are doing
4. Throw in the towel on the game

Anyone who checks this post, please drop a reply saying which one to go for.

Personally I'm leaning towards another rollback.


Right, yeah, good point on the Rollback+Patch over...

[archaeolept]

rolling back for an AoV bug is a no-no. AoV is always somewhat unreliable - you want to use it, you take the risks.

Your only real option I think is to rollback, wipe out all the .2h's and have everyone complete a fresh turn - do not resubmit the old turn!

good luck :)

[Nosantee]

s**t! I'd bet it's a rollback f**kup.

I have no idea how to deal with this. I think the choices are:

1. Live with it
2. Try another rollback, and hope this one comes without bugs
3. Pester Llamabeast, or someone else who knows what they are doing
4. Throw in the towel on the game

Anyone who checks this post, please drop a reply saying which one to go for.

Personally I'm leaning towards another rollback.


Right, yeah, good point on the Rollback+Patch over...

I say we just live with it. I seem to be the only one effected anyway and it doesn't hurt me too much (Well, 13 unusable in combat hoplite mystics cause they have spellcasting enc 15 sucks and 13 mystic UNITS instead of hoplites)

[Korwin]

no further rollback, as long as Shinuyama isnt finished off ;)

[13lackGu4rd]

yeah, that's 1 of the main issues. many people don't realize that after a rollback you need to delete both the .trn and .2h files before inserting the rollbacked turn. that's 1 of the primary sources of rollback induced errors. than there are the other usual suspects like people using different OPs(operating systems, windows xp, vista, 7, as well as various linux and whatever else people use), than you mix the usual random errors related with rollbacks and on top of it all add a new patch. it was just a horrible decision to make this rollback to begin with, but we can't spin back the wheel, so I just hope you new game hosts out there learn from all these mistakes and stop being so trigger happy on clicking the rollback option for any minor issue that pops up in whatever game. it's just not worth it.

so, as we can't spin back the wheel, we gotta make do with what we have. I doubt rerolling back after a rollback+patch will actually solve the problems, not to mention not add any new problems. however it's worth a shot as we can't really continue with a variety of bugs. I'm afraid that eventually we'll have to throw in the towel, but before that we certainly need a rollback, delete all the previous files and submit new turns(not the previous turns like the current rollback).

[earwicker7]

PS: Damnit Abysia, it was funny when you were doing so little with assassinations, but you just killed a very important magic item holding mage in a stack of 60 other commanders, what are the damned odds?

I might just start playing the lottery! :p

[earwicker7]

No more rollbacks! If we're going to keep doing that, you'll need to find a sub for me.

[Nosantee]

Okay, someone has to explain this sixth global **** to me. I know I put more pearls into that damn Nexus than anyone has put into any enchantments to date, yet somehow Pangaea's Carrion Woods, with 90 gems DISPELLED my freaking 170 pearl Nexus on the ****ing turn it was cast.

I really- REALLY need someone to explain to me how this damn system works cause at the moment it just looks like 'cast a global, replace an old global of any size and price no problem!'.

[Colonial]

I don't know how the globals work. but let me put forward my emmence gratitude that we arn't having to deal with a nexus at this stage :P.

I was sure the mother oak was toast when I saw 2 globals...

guess the lategame has begun, gentlemen.

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In other news, any further rollback bugs?