Last Rites - Running

[Colonial]

http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=Last_Rites
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Alright Folks.

Because last game had the organiser disappear from the board, I have stepped in to fill his shoes. taking the oppertunity to get some experience managing a game.

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The Players:

Midgärd Colonial Went AI turn 29, AI defeated turn 30
Patala nrasch
Pythium BlackGuard
Atlantis Mauxe Mule Warrior subbed out turn 35
Agartha Corinthian
Mictlan P3D Went AI turn 14, AI defeated turn 20
C'tis mscfish
T'ien Ch'i Adder89 Gotchaaa subbed out turn 24
Jomon nerozero
Utgärd Kojusoki
Pangaea Saros
Ermor Korwin

The Rules:

Vanilla
Late Age
New Players (>4-5 games experience) only

Urraparround2 map modified for equitable starting points
(http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=5954 - Map
http://dom3.servegame.com/wiki/Urraparrand_with_harbors - Description)


Score graphs off (!)
Hall of fame size 15
Magic site frequency 40
Gold multiplier 125
Renaming on
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Otherwise good luck everyone. New players remember that late age Ermor is different and often banned. I advise playing a few turns of it if you haven't, having a look. Also Atlantis starts on land, like everyone else.

[nerozero]

Alright, let's finally get this show on the road! Looking forward to it.

[P3D]

Please attach the map in the first post as currently it is unaccessible (link is to PM).

[Colonial]

there ya go.

[Kojusoki]

here- previous thread abandoned

[Colonial]

one more pretender and we are good to go

[Saros]

Is there still a spot left? If so ill take it =)

[Colonial]

there is. Who would you like?

preferebly a land nation, as we have 12 preset starting locations, all on land.

[Saros]

Ill take Panagea. Pretender sent.

[Colonial]

Almost ready.

Sent a PM pestering Gotchaaa

[Kojusoki]

and... i think we should start...

[Xanatos]

I am having an issue - i sent my pretender in to pretenders *at* llamaserver dot net

subject - Last_rites


returned error sayin its not a recognized game!

[llamabeast]

The game's already started, with Ermor as a player. Did you send a pretender in before Xanatos?

[Colonial]

Postponed the process so you can deal with this.

tell me if you need me to rollback to the upload pretenders stage.

it won't do to have anyone miss their first turn...

[nerozero]

Agreed, let's get everyone going. No point in losing players before we've even started.

[Kojusoki]

well but lets make this quick. If we have to wait 48hrs during the first turns, this game will last forever...

[Colonial]

after the first turn I'll be more harsh, I sware

[Colonial]

So I have rolled back to the pretender upload stage. I'm hoping Xanatos uploads in the next 24 hours and this road block doesn't cause too much ball-ache.

My oppologies to people who are getting impatient. I figured it was a better call to get the game right at the beginning.

[Xanatos]

OK folks, i am on the road and for whatever reason the laptops i am using to access the game (via my external harddrive) while usually working, this laptop is not, the latest i will be home is sunday, so I should probably drop from this game due to technical issues=/ which is very disappointing for me. but i get cant open file errors on this machine when ending turns.

[Colonial]

eleven players?

[Corinthian]

Sure. Unless someone drops in soon. This game has stalled for long enough already.

[Corinthian]

Sure. Unless someone drops in soon. This game has stalled for long enough already.

[Korwin]

I should be home at the latest in 6.5 hours.
If thats not to late, I'll send an Ermor pretender.
But I'm expecting to get rushed and exterminated fairly quickly.
The Ermorian late game would be the dead of me... ;-)

[Colonial]

I'm sure we'll oblige :p

you could always choose an empire other than ermor... (that also would make it less likely you get to the endgame)

[Korwin]

Nah, I'll give it an try :-D
I'm on the way home, so pretender should be submited shortly ( < 0.5 h )

[nrasch]

Looks like we started this morning! :)

Good luck all; going to be a fun game.

[Corinthian]

Not at all unhappy. Better starting position and better pretender design.

I realized to late that a design involving luck and turmoil will work poorly on a map with 125% gold. Fortunately I could change that due to the restart.

[Colonial]

yeah, I'm liking mine better as well.

As a naval power, I actually have access to the see :D

[nerozero]

I'm liking my new start position a lot more too! Anyways, good luck everyone, looking forward to smiting you all ;)

[Kojusoki]

but hurry up guys...how about setting the host to 12 or 24 hrs? making one turn isnt a problem and 12 hrs counts when the last player sends his turn, so probably it will be like "real" 24...

[Corinthian]

It is strange that none of my games have hosted in the last 16 hours (Guesstimate). And the people on the other forum have noticed that the server does not always respond to your turn file when you send it in.
Or that is, your orders get carried out on hosting, but the server do not update the fact that you sent them your turn file and thus do not host until the time limit.

Have anyone noticed anything similar here or am I just paranoid?

[Korwin]

The Game page says Atlantis and C'tis are missing...

[Corinthian]

The Game page says Atlantis and C'tis are missing...

In tenderfeet the game page have said that Atlantis have been missing every turn for the last three turns. Yet despite that he has attacked indy provinces every one of these turns. This means that either he sends in his turn file ten minutes before deadline, or the server doesn't recognize his turn file for the purpose of knowing when to resolve turns. But do recognize it when resolving.

It's all very confusing.

[Kojusoki]

sorry guys it takes too much time
Im out

[Korwin]

sorry guys it takes too much time
Im out

So Utgard went AI?
And Atlantis takes his time? (get an deja vui on this one...)

...

[Kojusoki]

well we should be around turn 6 or 8 and we didnt have turn 2 even....

[Corinthian]

Atlantis is being played by a guy named Mule Warrior. His last post on the forum was signing up for this game in the other thread, 16 days ago.

It is possible that he has simply forgotten that Dominions exist and do not intend to play anymore.

Maybe we should put him as AI as well?

[nrasch]

Fine by me if you put him on AI. I fully intend to stick around for the full game, and I think once we settle in we'll have a great time. :)

[Korwin]

Its official, Atlantis stalled.
I too vote for AI, let us get some speed in here.

[Kojusoki]

ok, lets make it fast then

[13lackGu4rd]

wow, just turn 2 and we already have people going AI? yes, this game has been awfully slow thus far, but it should start to pick up the pace(hopefully) so come on... if you signed up for this game than it means you want to play, don't just vanish after the first turn...

[nerozero]

Yikes, people are going AI already? This game must be cursed, but seriously, let's try to keep a good pace so we won't lose anyone else.

[Colonial]

are you sure it was a stall and not one of these 'processed the turn but looks like they didn't recieve the file' things people were talking about? I'll send an email seeing whats wrong.

as for the game being cursed, saros' pretender seems to have died... check the hall of fame. (it might be immortal though)

[Korwin]

I'm shure,
http://www.llamaserver.net/doAdminAction.cgi?game=Last_Rites&action=showstales

everyone can see the stalling statistic.

[Colonial]

yeah, he hasn't posted on the shrapnel forums since he asked to join this game.

he gets until everyone else has submitted their turns (or I wake up tomorrow morning, cuz of time zones) then he goes AI.

he doesnt have an email address in his profile either.

[mscfish]

Setting a nation to AI in such an early time is not a good idea.
Maybe we should find another man to play ATL,or maybe we can start a new game.

[nerozero]

i don't really think we should start over again, I think we need to keep the game going so we won't lose more people. But I agree that it's a shame to lose Atlantis this early, so maybe we should see if we can find a sub by tomorrow?

[Colonial]

fair, I could drop a wee sub request, its a bit of an awkward position for a sub...


http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?t=46684 <-- sub requested

Shall we wait a bit longer for a sub to come along, then?

[dark7element]

I'd be willing to sub for Atlantis. Noone is interested in the game I want to start, so I'd be happy with any game (I've only played MA Atlantis before but I'll be sure to explore them a little bit in SP so I don't make a total mess of it). This will be my second MP game.

Let me know if you'll take me.

[Saros]

Oh well it really sucks to lose your god to a crossbow bolt that does 52 damage.
Ugh.

[Colonial]

your in my friend. Sorry you couldn't design your own pretender.

i'll pm you as soon as I get this llamaserver to do my bidding, and give me/you the password.

hmmm my lack of knowledge goes deeper. no idea how to email you, or how to find the password.

alright seems like this is what we need to do: dark elemental. drop me an email, or a private message with your email address in it. you can do that by clicking on my name: the option should be there from my homepage. if not post here and ill give you my email address.

[dark7element]

The problem was with me: I'd forgotten to enable private messages and email from forum members. Both should be enabled now, but I sent you an email just in case.

[mscfish]

I'd be willing to sub for Atlantis. Noone is interested in the game I want to start, so I'd be happy with any game (I've only played MA Atlantis before but I'll be sure to explore them a little bit in SP so I don't make a total mess of it). This will be my second MP game.

Let me know if you'll take me.

Great!Welcome!

[Colonial]

all right.

welcome abord. I think this event marits a final 12 hour postponement...

[dark7element]

I'm sorry to make everyone wait, but I'm having some trouble accessing the turn; it won't accept any password, even the 'master' password. This is my first PBEM game so I may be doing something wrong. I've just been moving the turnfiles to the 'lastrites' folder in my savedgames directory.

[P3D]

There shouldn't be any in-game password.

[Colonial]

scratch this post, just figured it out...

[dark7element]

Ok, I have to admit: if there is some special function to automatically send in the turns to the server, I can't figure it out. I've just emailed it to Colonial for now.

[Korwin]

Ok, I have to admit: if there is some special function to automatically send in the turns to the server, I can't figure it out. I've just emailed it to Colonial for now.

No automatic, just send the turn file (.2h) to turns (at) llamaserver (dot) net

[Korwin]

Could we change the turn intervall back to 24 hours
Pretty please.

[Kojusoki]

Korwin - its the 3rd turn... Preaparing and sending a turn takes around 2 mins...

[Korwin]

Korwin - its the 3rd turn... Preaparing and sending a turn takes around 2 mins...

I know, thats the reason why I don't want an 36 h turn around.

[Kojusoki]

hmm you should be conqered pretty fast - or I should be conquered;)
What if there will be turn 43...?

[Colonial]

back to 24h.

sorry I forget to do that sooner. I'd like to see progress on this one so I may manually precess when we hit the 24 hour mark (the change comes into effect next turn...)

[Korwin]

Bob Imperator and Godking of Ermor greets His Argathan neighbors.
It seems Agartha has the same philosophy regarding life and unlife, if we can trust our sighting of the undead prince.

To further the philosophic exchange, we Bob are sending an emissary to you.

[Korwin]

Hmm, if T'ien Chi had made the next turn after submitting last, we would Be allready in the Next turn.
**hint**

[Kojusoki]

exacly....

[dark7element]

Hmm, if T'ien Chi had made the next turn after submitting last, we would Be allready in the Next turn.
**hint**

I didn't want to say anything because I'm a sub player, but yeah, Tien Ch'i's player taking so long to submit turns when the game is still in the very early stages (and turns shouldn't take longer than 10 minutes) is worrisome.

[Colonial]

I don't really mind. we said 24 hours, he takes 24 hours. maybe he's a busy guy...

guess I could change it to 18 hours turns if its really pissing you all off

[Korwin]

This turn he submitted the next turn immediatly. :)

[P3D]

Dear Utgard,

after ruining my chances in the game, I hope you appreciate destroying your cyclops and 3 turns worth of lumberjacks.

[nrasch]

@Mule Warrior:

Hello there! :)

It appears our provinces are next to each other, and we would like to work out a border with you. We'd also like to sign a 3 turn NAP (i.e. we don't attack each other w/out a 3 turn warning first).

As a sign of our goodwill, please accept this crate of .... bananas!

- Patala

[Colonial]

I must say, this game is turning out to be pretty action packed. severed 36 (+1) heads this evening

[dark7element]

@Mule Warrior:

Hello there! :)

It appears our provinces are next to each other, and we would like to work out a border with you. We'd also like to sign a 3 turn NAP (i.e. we don't attack each other w/out a 3 turn warning first).

As a sign of our goodwill, please accept this crate of .... bananas!

- Patala

To Patala: I just now submitted my orders, and sent you a fairly terse message, because we assumed that large army with elephants was about to attack our poorly-defended flank. A non-aggression pact would be wonderful. Atlantis has absolutely no interest in war with Patala.

The bananas were received, and to show our appreciation, this message should be accompanied by a crate of baby seal furs and a barrel of whale oil as gifts.

[nrasch]

@dark7element - No problem about the message. Even though we are monkeys and snakes, we will act w/ honor. Your western border is safe; will will not attack. Can we aid you in your war in some way? Also, thank you for the baby seal fur pajamas. ;)


@gotchaaa - I see we now share a border, and we welcome our new neighbors! We'd like to offer you a NAP 3 (we don't attack each other w/out a 3 turn warning first). Feel free to help yourself to some of the bananas growing down there.... just watch out for the monkey droppings!


- Patala

[Colonial]

I appologise profusely everyone, but I'm gunna need to roll back the turn

my turn has become corrupted so I can't see who owns witch province. this might be the only chance to fix it.

I realise I should have done it 3 hours ago...

[13lackGu4rd]

no, what you should have done was delete both the .trn and .2h files of this game, than ask llamaserver to resend your turn and try again. rolling back the turn, especially without asking or even telling anybody first is bad. you're the admin of the game, but it doesn't mean you can just do whatever you want whenever you want, as that's just wrong. there are many reasons why many people, including myself, hate roll backs. the chief reason among them is that roll backs tend to cause a variety of bugs, which sometimes destroy games altogether.

[dark7element]

Well, although the rollback will delay the game by a day or so, I'm not complaining, since this will save one of my valuable mages from an embarrassing death at the hands of a bunch of independent ichtyids. :D

[dark7element]

Hmm, double-post here, but I just got ANOTHER email containing 'turn 11', received AFTER the apparent roll-back. What's going on? Which turn should I play?

edit: Doh. I guess my tungalik will be meeting a fishy demise after all.

[nrasch]

@colonial: No worries; turn redone and sent in again.

Have a great weekend! :)

Nrasch (LeafyBits)

[Colonial]

Sorry blackguard, I won't roll back again.

everyone, use the second turn 11, if you could...

rollback ment my god will awaken later...

[13lackGu4rd]

I hope you guys all know that you need to delete both the .trn and .2h files before using the new turn 11 files, otherwise it'll cause errors and bugs, on top of the random errors and bugs that occur with most roll backs.

[Corinthian]

But, but, I won those battles last time around! With almost no losses even. How is this possible!

Clearly, this is the work of the nefarious Bob the Lich! He has great astral powers and must have used them to turn back time and change causality! This is only more proof that the world must unite against his reality perverting powers before it is to late!

[Colonial]

Hmmm... I'm fealing kind of bad about that call now...

If any of you want to take over as admin, I would be happy to let you

[Corinthian]

Ehh... Don't be. Such is dominions after all. And its not like I have been crippled or something. Although whomever plays Pangeae is probably also quite pissed.

Then again, Bob the lich, of Ermor, is located comparably close to that province as well.

[Kojusoki]

Dear Utgard,

after ruining my chances in the game, I hope you appreciate destroying your cyclops and 3 turns worth of lumberjacks.

First of all I want to thank you that you killed him without wounding him at all. That was a great butchers job.

And... well.. Mitclan is one of the strongest nations. Especially with that bless. We just had to do what we did...

[Kojusoki]

I hope you guys all know that you need to delete both the .trn and .2h files before using the new turn 11 files, otherwise it'll cause errors and bugs, on top of the random errors and bugs that occur with most roll backs.

didnt know that... I resend the proper file

[Saros]

Yeah I am pretty pissed. It changed from me winning two battles with minimal losses to losing most of my two expansion armies due to freak accidents that didn't happen last time.
That's pretty crippling considering I am right next to ermor who is being the usual LA boogeyman.

[dark7element]

Eh, several people have suffered major setbacks. The null first turn has hurt me badly in the long run, and my unfamiliarity with Atlantis has made me run way behind on establishing enough forts. Plus, as was just discussed in this thread, Mictlan got mugged. Ermor is becoming a monster but everyone else is taking notice.

[P3D]

I have zero out-of-game problem with getting mugged, one should epect it on a crowded map. My first expansion was scripted bad, I lost my 2nd expansion party to the Cyclops - which did not have H2 priest to cast Sermon of Courage. The rollback itself hardly affected me.

[nerozero]

Hmmm... I'm fealing kind of bad about that call now...

If any of you want to take over as admin, I would be happy to let you

Live and learn, now you know. It isn't exactly the end of the world, Ermor seem to have that covered ;)

[Corinthian]

Yeah I am pretty pissed. It changed from me winning two battles with minimal losses to losing most of my two expansion armies due to freak accidents that didn't happen last time.
That's pretty crippling considering I am right next to ermor who is being the usual LA boogeyman.

That was a pretty improbable loss alright. If it makes you feel better I could tell you that very province also ate one of my expansion parties earlier.

Then again. Of all the indies in the province. After your attack, the only one remaining is a single indy commander. I will send the scout that observed the battle to deal with him next turn and see if I cant punish him for both of us::D

[Saros]

Hey now I still claim that province. I will be back with the survivors next turn.
Besides its not the most unlikely loss I ever had. The most hilarious was with an air/astral bless kailasa where first turn an arrow hit my tough mage/priest before he could start blessing my troops causing 3 dmg (25hp commander) and afflicted him giving battle fright and he just up and ran taking my army with him.
I was dumbfounded as to just how staggeringly unlikely that was.

[Colonial]

All right, here's a potential worry:

Blackguard was saying that you sometimes get bugs from a rollback:

I know that on the rolled back version of turn 11 my pretender popped up, and this time around it hasn't even said the dorment pretender gods are awakening...

is it random what turn these guys begin to wake up, or is this a ****up?

[13lackGu4rd]

don't worry, it's random when dormant pretenders are awakening. generally it's supposed to be on turn 12 but it's generally from turn 10-14 or so. you should have still gotten the general message that the pretender gods are awakening, but it's no biggie if you missed it.

[Colonial]

glad to hear it. did other people get the general message that they'se awakening then?

[Saros]

Well there goes the crusade against ermor. Feel free to take bites out of his territory and push his dominion back. Better do it now before he can drown the whole world in undead.

[Korwin]

Whats that crazy talk from Pangea?

Bob recommend to the neutral Pretenders:
Keep your neutral stance, in a little while you can feast on the corpse of Pangea/the Gorgon.

Would be crusaders will find only dead and misery in the Ermorian Empire.
Beware! You will only have one chance. Well maybe two. The eternity is long.

--
Bob the eternal of the peace loving Empire of Ermor, the wise, the honest, the cunning, the powerfull, the all around great and greatest, the whatever.

[Colonial]

welp, his holiness just woke up... no worries on that front I guess

[P3D]

I set Mictlan AI, I see no point of staying in the game just to kill 20 lumberjacks every second turn.

[Colonial]

fair enough. It always sucks to get rushed successfully.

Hope to see you in another game in the future...

[Korwin]

So, who killed the Gorgonian Icecream Factory the first time?

[Saros]

A crossbow bolt from an indie that one shotted it on the first turn severely gimping my expansion.

[Colonial]

I don't suppose anyone has a crystal matrix they would be willing to sell at this early stage? I would be willing to pay handsomely in a variety of currencies...

[Korwin]

Proclamation from Bob:

We have water gems, we want Earth gems.
We are willing to trade 2 Water gems for 1 Earth gem (for a short time.)

Bob the eternal, the...

[Colonial]

So I'd better sort this out sooner rather than later. I'm not going to be in the game that much longer. My war with Pythium was going well when our neutral neighbor decided to invade me from left field.

this means we are going to need to change who is admining this game. since I can't really admin a game I'm no longer in.

we won't need to migrate the thread again since this isn't my only game and I'm not planning to leave the forum, so if you ever need the first post changed I'm just a PM away.

so, anyone volunteer? if we get no takers I will try to conscript mcsfish, since he's the cheeky basterd who attacked me. :P

I've got a few turns yet, so we'll be fine for a while.

[13lackGu4rd]

you're still in the game, don't give up before it's actually over... once we get to the bridge(you eventually dying) we'll cross it, until than there's no point discussing it.

[Colonial]

fair enough. but mull over if you'd be up for it, folks...

[Korwin]

If you take over the Rock the Cradle, I would take this one over.
Hope I wont get crushed as soon as I take over the Admin role.
Seems like the one goes with the other.

[Colonial]

Sounds like a plan Korwin, just PM'd you.

[Saros]

can we have a short extension on the timer i havent been able to get to get to a comp with dom3 on it today. 12hr would do

[Colonial]

extension granted

[Saros]

Cheers turn is sent.
Fighting ermor is very annoying. Killing 400 of 500 troops and still losing a battle sucks.

[Korwin]

Pay reperations and we, Ermor of Bob migth let you live.
Alternatly We could see some sort of Tribute from you to us.

Bob the eternal softy, who will foregive his enemies, if they pay enough..

[Corinthian]

Cheers turn is sent.
Fighting ermor is very annoying. Killing 400 of 500 troops and still losing a battle sucks.

Well you know, I could help you. If only I had some supply items. Doesn't anyone have supply items? I'd pay well for them. Currently I am forced to attack Ermor using armies composed mostly of priests and a few blockers. Thats not sustainable.

[Saros]

Well I may have forgotten to mention that I had another bigger army on the way with even more tramplers and priests. We shall see how this one fares.

[Korwin]

T'ien chi stalled... :(

[Kojusoki]

did he stall again?

[Colonial]

yup that's two stalls in a row for Tein. what do people suggest?

I'll let korwin assess this one, since I'm literally two turns away from throwing in the towel by this point. if he doesn't chime in by around 6pm tomorrow I'll do the nessessary admining.

NB that Tein is at war with Jomon, and doesn't seem to be doing too well. probably not helped by the stalls.

[nerozero]

I guess I should chime in, I've been fighting him and winning pretty clearly, although that has a lot to do with the fact that he has stalled his last two turns. He is in no way beaten though, still got all his mages, although his position is getting worse and worse for every turn.

[Corinthian]

Well I did the same thing i did with Atlantis, and checked his previous posts. It would seem that -not counting his signup post in the old thread- he has not made a single post to the forum for the last year. And the last game he played in also ended a year ago. It is possible that he has simply lost interest in the game and its community.

How bad IS his situation anyhow? Could maybe Utgård or Jomon chime in on the situation?

[nrasch]

Or, if he doesn't want to play anymore, could Colonial take over his kingdom?

Maybe give Colonial a turn or two to get back on his feet some.....

Or (!) Colonial could come help me manage these feisty maenads. *wink wink nudge nudge*

I mean after a few gallons of wine things get pretty crazy over here in Pangaea....

[13lackGu4rd]

we must pause the game until we know what's up with TC. we can't just let him stale away.

[nrasch]

As Neil Young said in his song "Hey, Hey, My, My..." :

"It's better to burn out than it is to stale"

;P

[dark7element]

Ugh. My last turn was actually a stale turn also. I just didn't find the time to finish my turn, and the deadline snuck up on me. Holidays and all that.

I'm still here, though, so don't worry.

[nerozero]

How bad IS his situation anyhow? Could maybe Utgård or Jomon chime in on the situation?

Well, this is only from the Jomon side of the war, but he hasn't lost anything significant just yet, only territory, but he seems outnumbered. He does however have all his mages, and they seem to have decent magic, so he is in no way finished off. However, Atlantis and Patala are fighting him as well, so it's definetly going to be tough.

I agree that we can't just let him chain stall, it might help my situation, but i'd rather have a fun fight.

[Korwin]

Sent an Message per the llamaserver to t'ien Chi.
I'll extend the turn if He doesnt show up.

(stupid iPhone writes Random words in Capital letters)

[Kojusoki]

Utgard will not attack Tien Chi for the next 2 turns then.

[Colonial]

all right, I recomment we give tien chi one more turn before taking action. after three stales, we'll be entitled to sub the position. I'll have to think about taking it on myself. I have some experience with EA TC, so i wouldn;t be completelyu thrown in the deep end. the prospect of loosing 2 wars in a row on the same map isn't particularly something to look forward to...

in the mean time its great of utgard to give them a turn's breathing room. if their other enemies, particularly jomon could also pledge to not push the attack this turn, that would be ideal

any chance Jomon?

[13lackGu4rd]

there's no point letting TC stale a 3rd time, it'll only make the position that much worse for whoever subs into it, seeing that he's in a multi fronted war already. we really should freeze the game until we either hear from the TC player or sub someone in for him.

[Colonial]

fair enough.

game postponed for 24 hours. If we haven't found a sub in that time, I'll take over for a while.

and I can't be arsed to actually look for a sub. anyone up for it?

[nerozero]

I wont be taking any new territory this turn, that's fine, would you need another turn to get to grips with things or what? What should I do with the fort I've been sieging by the way, seems annoying to pull back and let it rebuild, but I don't really care one way or the other.

[Colonial]

don't bother pulling back, just don't storm...

and sub requested (http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?p=766455#post766455)

[Colonial]

found a sub. seems the only problem is that he is away from 24-27 of december. is that ok with everyone? i could sub a single turn during that period easily enough. I'll give him the post later today if there are no objections...

[Colonial]

Ti'en Ch'i subbed. I'll play one turn for him on christmas if it comes to it.

[adder83]

i have joined and found into the game....played my turn.

[Korwin]

Good

[adder83]

Altantis staled last turn...

[Corinthian]

You don't know this being new, but Atlantis is cursed. Its just something we all will have to live with.

[Korwin]

Bob who is immortal Ermor greets his new neighbors and we would like to thank Phythium for the donation of this tasty province.

Was a little out of the blue but if somebody would like to make an donation to us, we do take them.


Bob the immoral, the eternal, ruler of Ermor

[Colonial]

so why does LA Ermor sometimes randomly aquire territory in the far reaches of the globe? I've seen it happen in single player as well...

[13lackGu4rd]

sorry but the Serpents give no donations. congratulations, you've just made yourself another enemy, as if you didn't have enough already... not much I can do to harm you, as you're too far away from me and almost dead anyway, but I'll at least retake the province you stole from me with your remote spell.

[Corinthian]

so why does LA Ermor sometimes randomly aquire territory in the far reaches of the globe? I've seen it happen in single player as well...

I always thought that it was an ermorian version of Imprint soul. But that does not explain why he would attack pythium...

The wiki say nothing about this.

[nrasch]

@Korwin - Props to you on your 'Bob' personae. Very amusing and witty; I always enjoy his commentary. :)

Nathan

[Calahan]

Just a quick FYI to everyone. If LA Ermor are in the game, then there is a random event all nations (except LA Ermor) can get that causes Ermorian cultists to attack a province. I'm guessing this is the 'attack' / 'random gaining of province' thing being talked about. (note I don't think this event applies to an all era game, as the event appears to be late era only)

You can blame LA Ermor if you wish for these attacks, but they are not really at fault (unless you consider actually existing as a fault) as there is nothing they can do about it, and it is certainly not a remote attack spell they can cast. The event is actually being triggered by the scales of the player who is getting attacked. So if a player wants to blame someone for these LA Ermor attacks, then they can usually blame their own scales for them :)


You can see the event here in Edi's event list. It is #253.
http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?t=45185

[13lackGu4rd]

well, don't have enough experience playing in games with LA Ermor, as I don't play LA too much and even when I do their usually banned, not to mention that I usually have more than dom5. oh well, Ermor is almost dead anyway, so it doesn't really matter...

[Korwin]

Ermor is immortal! Undead yes, but not dead!
We have some guests in our lands.
Nothing more.

Bob the still immortal.

[Corinthian]

The game will host in one hour and Atlantis is set to stall yet again. Will we need a second sub for Atlantis you think? Because this is getting annoying. My first MP game went for 34 turns without anyone stalling. This one did not make it a single turn.........

[Colonial]

Atlantis came through, I am glad to announce.

[adder83]

Hi there!

Today is the last day i can play before christmas. I will come back on 27 dec so then i can play again. So i am not sure i f one played turn is sufficient?

[nerozero]

I think this would be a good time to take a christmas break from the game, especially since Atlantis and Pangaea stalled last turn, probably due to holiday related stuff.

Put the game on quickhost until the 27th or something?

Oh, and good luck in the war Adder, looking forward to seeing our armies clash :)

[Colonial]

All right, Changing it to 168 hour turns.

I was hoping to get knocked out before christmas, but I guess I will have to wait until the new year.

I myself am gone 26-31, so it's gunna be a while...


========================
Scratch that, I've just gone AI. God got skellispammed off the map.

nice game everyone.

that'll be Korwin as the Admin until he gets rolled under.

[Colonial]

Incidently, someone PM me when you want the first post updated...

[mscfish]

I have not received my turn,and i have asked the llamaserver to resend my turn.But it doesn't work.

Ctis mscfish

[Colonial]

Email for C'tis changed to mscfish@hotmail.com .

Last thing I'm gunna do as admin...

[dark7element]

I apologize for another stale turn there. It was, as you suspected, holiday stuff.

[Saros]

Well I cant play untill the 28th now as the laptop I took on holiday broke =/

[dark7element]

Ack. Sorry it took me so long to get my turn in. I should be done with holiday-related distractions now.

[Korwin]

Changed hosting intervall back to 36 hours (and e-mail reminder to 14, was still at 6).
Due date for current turn did'nt change, its still 6th of january 05:00 GMT.

[Korwin]

...and it lives...

[adder83]

Hi there!

I have a (noob) question regarding the patch: do we all have to update our copy in order to continue playing?

regards!

[Corinthian]

I assume not for a while. As the patch has not gone public yet. But once it does I think it is up to the admin whether to update the game or not. Llama server probably runs both versions.

That reminds me. Where are you my darkness? You stalled last turn and now you are the last one left not submitted in this turn. Has Atlantis fallen in to the great Ryleth dream again? Or do you have internet problem?

[Kojusoki]

Admin - could you please force hosting? Its crazy we have to wait for so long to make a turn...

[Korwin]

Funny, wanted to ask about opinions for an forced hosting.
Whats the Status with Atlantis? Does he still live? Should he be set to AI or would an Sub search be worthwhile?

Game was (Force)hosted by the way.

[Korwin]

Uh, since when are the score graphs on?
*goes looking to the other games, looking*

Hmm, Rock the Cradle is still without score graphs...

Edit:
I dont see an Admin-Option to disable the score graphs after starting the game (or in the other direction, so I have no glue why now the graphs are on...)

[adder83]

hi there!

there is some error with the ptach which caused the game to show the graphs. (see llamasever)

regards

[Corinthian]

Strangely enough, Kings of drama has lost its score graph, when it should normally have one.

According to a notice at the top of the page, there was a bug witch caused the score graphs to appear. It was said to have been fixed. But apparently not.

As for Atlantis, its player seem to have disappeared from the forum. He is in a strong position though, with no ongoing wars and many provinces. It will probably not be hard to find a replacement. Though I think we should wait and see if he turn in *this* turn first. It might have been some kind of unavoidable, but temporary, family issue.

[13lackGu4rd]

2 stales in a row is generally a good enough indication that someone has gone AWOL. just start looking for a sub now, and if he miraculously pops back up than put the sub on hold.

[Corinthian]

I agree. But the last turn was forced ahead of time so its not certain that he would have stalled otherwise. Though if everyone is sick of waiting, well, go ahead.

[Corinthian]

But yea. He will probably not show up this turn either. Should I make a thread (tomorrow) or will someone else take care of it?

[adder83]

i think we should definitly look for a sub. He is staling far to often and actually altantis position is quite good.... i would love to get a nation like that for subbing but in this game i am already stuck with Tien Chi.

[nerozero]

Yeah, I agree, Atlantis has a good position, so it would be a shame to see him go AI, second the suggestion of finding a sub, shouldn't be too hard.

[Mauxe]

I am a newb, interested in subbing AND I have a strong drive to learn the game better. I can't promise to keep Atlantis in such a good position but I am on the game each night and will keep my turns going.

If the original player re-surfaces soon I would also step back gracefully and wait for the next newb game to start.

Thanks :)

[Korwin]

The King is dead!
Long live the King!

(...Atlantis has an new Pretender...)

[Mauxe]

I just had a chance to catch up on this thread over dinner.
Seems like quite a bit of drama...

Also, it does seem like Atlantis is cursed.

Ah well, I'll just acclimate myself to the landscape and get a turn sent out.

:)

[Mauxe]

Ok, when starting the game I choose Atlantis turn 34 but I am immediately asked for a password.

I see from an earlier post that a password is not required.
Any ideas?
I have the file saved appropriately to my savedgames/last_rites folder. I can see and select the game fine.

[Mauxe]

I found the answer in the llamaserverfaq thread...

Quick Question:

when you sub for a player that went missing, how do you get his password/get it changed/ get into his game at all? If its possible to turn it to AI, it must be possible to get in there...

Change the eMail to the New Player an give him the master PW.

Although... I guess by the posters above you already know this ;)

[Korwin]

Got finaly the master PW and sent it to Mauxe.
Delayed hosting

Ok that was fast :-)
Game on.

[Mauxe]

Got the PW and getting on now. I just got turn 35 though. Did I end up missing 34?

[Corinthian]

Well, someone played turn 34 for atlantis, because you did not stall.

[Korwin]

Got the PW and getting on now. I just got turn 35 though. Did I end up missing 34?

Shortly after I send you the Master Password and I delayed the hosting for 12 hours a turn got submitted for Atlantis.

I thought that where you...?

[adder83]

Yeah somebody really played a turn for atlantis...cause i noticed some army movement near my borders....

[Mauxe]

Odd.. I would think that if the previous player came back he would check the boards. I assume he also had a turn 34 file.
Of course with the email address change he would not get a turn 35 file.. which might cause him to go looking.

Anyhow - I submitted turn 35 already.

[Saros]

I am away working the 18th and 19th. I forget what the turn cycle is at at the moment but could I please have an extension so I don't miss a turn. I will send the latest turn in just before I leave and should be back inside 48h from them.

[13lackGu4rd]

the lizards of Pythium are seeking water and fire gems. we will pay in gold or other gems.

[Korwin]

Ermor for Ermorians! Get out Argartans!


--
Bob still under the undead. ;)

[Corinthian]

Well I knew you could beat that disease ridden army. You probably could have skelly spammed it to death from day one. I was just hoping that *you* would not understand that.

And I did not know that those behemoths had fear aura. If you put some buffs on them, then they could even become worth building!

Still, it might have served its purpose. Does anyone still believe in you out in the world? How many dominion candles do you still have left?

[adder83]

The mighty Jomonese empire crumble under the hooves of the fearless Tien Chi hordes! "Ha ha"

[Kojusoki]

CNN News:

Growing Pythium Empire will soon add 2 capitals into its borders if not stopped, becoming the most powerful, rich in money and gems, nations.
Something needs to be done, or you are all lost in poison...

[nerozero]

The mighty Jomonese empire crumble under the hooves of the fearless Tien Chi hordes! "Ha ha"

Oh, we'll get you in the end you fiendish TC, we're just doing a tactical withdrawal. Oh, and stop killing my dragons, they're endangered you know!

[Corinthian]

How exactly did TC manage to kill 2 Gargoyles and an entire squad of Cavalry with just it's PD anyway?

And here i thought that TC would have been dead 10 turns ago.......

[nerozero]

How exactly did TC manage to kill 2 Gargoyles and an entire squad of Cavalry with just it's PD anyway?

And here i thought that TC would have been dead 10 turns ago.......

They have a lot of PD to be honest, and I've made some less than brilliant tactical decisions as well :D

[adder83]

How many gold-worth dragons have i slain this turn.....3500 gold?
By the way 3 of your dragons voluntary decided to join my divine collective :)

Great game, i like it!

[Korwin]

Apparently Ermor is really immortal (and immoral), otherwise how can it be its still alive (well undead).

--
Bob


OOC: Dont see any white candle anymore, do I miss one somewhere?

[Corinthian]

I DONT KNOW!

I though you would have been dom-killed several days ago. I cant find any of your candles either. I assume there must be a few in atlantis territories...

[adder83]

Apparently Ermor is really immortal (and immoral), otherwise how can it be its still alive (well undead).

--
Bob


OOC: Dont see any white candle anymore, do I miss one somewhere?

Is this one of the strange things which can happen because of a rollback?

[Corinthian]

Maybe. I'm hoping it's just a delay and that he will keel over tomorrow. As in: If you end a turn without dominion, you will die.

[Corinthian]

Nope. He did not spontaneously fall over dead this turn either. Seems like I have to finish him in the old fashion way after all. Good thing I bothered to bring that big army up there. But I have the worst of luck when storming castles:(

[Korwin]

Apparently Ermor is really immortal (and immoral), otherwise how can it be its still alive (well undead).

--
Bob


OOC: Dont see any white candle anymore, do I miss one somewhere?

Is this one of the strange things which can happen because of a rollback?


I think this game didnt get rolled on its back...

Edit: Uhm, since I'm the Admin (inherited) in this game, we didnt do an rollback for shure. :D

[13lackGu4rd]

no, we didn't have a rollback, so that's out of the question. Korwin, do you have any provinces with white candles in them? if not than this is certainly a bug and should be reported in the bug section.

[Korwin]

As per my earlier post, I still dont see any candle of mine anywhere...

Edit: If somebody want the turn file for bug hunting, I'll keep my turn file saved.

[adder83]

no, we didn't have a rollback, so that's out of the question. Korwin, do you have any provinces with white candles in them? if not than this is certainly a bug and should be reported in the bug section.

I think there was something similar like a rollback...have a look on page 8 of this thread:

I appologise profusely everyone, but I'm gunna need to roll back the turn

my turn has become corrupted so I can't see who owns witch province. this might be the only chance to fix it.

I realise I should have done it 3 hours ago...

[Korwin]

Ah before my time at the steering wheel...

[Korwin]

Finally the missing white candles got us Bob of Ermor to the realisation, we are in an false paralel universum totaly at odds with the REAL timeline where we are crushing our enemies into the dust....


--
Bob

[Corinthian]

This is just like the hated Bob that I know. First you refuse to die properly when told to. And then when I finally manage to drag a huge army all the way from the heartlands, at no small effort, you take your ball and go home!

And I who had just developed a great new way of countering your skelly spam! (Earth Elemental spam) All for nothing!:mad:

[Korwin]

All is working as planned. :evil:

[mscfish]

This is just like the hated Bob that I know. First you refuse to die properly when told to. And then when I finally manage to drag a huge army all the way from the heartlands, at no small effort, you take your ball and go home!

And I who had just developed a great new way of countering your skelly spam! (Earth Elemental spam) All for nothing!:mad:

We have NAP!But you attack us with non-waring!

[13lackGu4rd]

oooh, the hunter becomes the hunted. how does it feel? :P
by the way, you've got no reason to complain as its exactly the same thing you did to Midgard ;) always sucks to be on the other side of it though :P

[Corinthian]

This is just like the hated Bob that I know. First you refuse to die properly when told to. And then when I finally manage to drag a huge army all the way from the heartlands, at no small effort, you take your ball and go home!

And I who had just developed a great new way of countering your skelly spam! (Earth Elemental spam) All for nothing!:mad:

We have NAP!But you attack us with non-waring!

No we don't. I offered you a NAP in the begining of the game and you told me that you would have to think of it and that you would return to me about it after midgard was dead. Well, you never did.

So no NAP for you. My attack was entirely legit.

[Korwin]

Huh, Atlantis and Patala stalled last turn.
For Patala its the first stall (and allready has this turn in), but Atlantis has allready 9 stalls (and the third pretender if I did not lost count...), is it cursed?

[nerozero]

Huh, Atlantis and Patala stalled last turn.
For Patala its the first stall (and allready has this turn in), but Atlantis has allready 9 stalls (and the third pretender if I did not lost count...), is it cursed?

It seems Atlantis really is cursed, every time someone steps in to take over they disappear, spooky stuff.

But seriously, hopefully he'll show up, and this was just a one off thing.

[Mauxe]

Hopefully not cursed.

My power went out onm Tuesday and is still not restored.
I am back at work (and internet) today but I don't want to test the limits of my employer by installing Dom3 on my machine.

My plan is to get online tonight with my laptop and send my turn in.
Sucks that I stalled :( I was in a spot where I really need to manage every turn.

[Saros]

Its essentially game over for Patala anyways. Likely no more than 2-3 turns of existence depending how long it takes for the final fort to fall.

[Corinthian]

BOOOM!!!

Honestly, did you script phoenix pyre or was this a major AI **** up?

[Saros]

Yeah I saw that it was quite a hoot. Looked like the AI to me though.

[Saros]

I have to go away for four days (8th to 12th.) I will take a portable install and will do my best to get turns in but I don't know exactly if/when I will be able to. Hopefully I will be able to play as normal but if timer could be extended to cover this period that would be perfect.
Who is admin at the moment anyways?

[Korwin]

I (still) am :)
Changed hosting time to 96 hours. Enough?
Its in effect with next turn.

[Korwin]

Corinthian asked me to sub Argatha for him.
I'm waiting for him to get the diplomatic status to me.

I'm seeing that I'm at war with C'tis...

(Added another 24 h for Saros, the 96 hours only extended to the 11th)

[Corinthian]

Yea its like Korwin says. I will be bowing out of this game due to real life time constraints. I am in too many games right now and I cant give them all the time they require. Because this is the game with the shortest deadline, this is the one that gets the axe. Also, I am already playing LA Agartha in another game and two games with the same nation is a bit much.

Still, I cant help but wonder how that Tomb Oracle gambit played out.

[Korwin]

PM me an Email and I'll send you the turn.
But what I remember from looking into it... It went good.

[Saros]

Okay managed to sneak a turn in. Don't know if I will get another while I am away but hopefully that will tide it over till then.

[adder83]

We had 2 stales last turn.....and do Tarts mark the beginnging of the endgame?

[Korwin]

Delayed for me for 12 hours.

[Mauxe]

my stale was just idiocy :(

actually - part of my overall strategy is to initiate hostilities and then stale for a couple of turns. It throws people off...

[nerozero]

That's brilliant Mauxe ;)

I knew there was some brilliant plan behind it all.

[adder83]

just subbmitted my turn...hope it gets accepted by the llamaseerver....

[Korwin]

Looks like, the turn hosted.
*goes looking into it*

[Saros]

Hey I am away for two days and will likely need an extension to make sure I don't miss a turn. I just sent in this turn and if the timer is 48h like I think I should be fine with just a 24h extension, hopefully I will get back in time but I don't want to stale out if I don't.

[13lackGu4rd]

sorry guys, it seems like I can't keep up with this game. 3 stales total now(1 than a turn than 2 more I think). in all time just passed by faster than I expected it. now that my 2nd semester this year(and my final total for my BA) started I'll have even less time than usual, and seeing that I already have trouble keeping up I don't foresee it getting better.

so, I'm sorry everyone but please find a sub for me.

[Korwin]

Postphoned turn for 48 hours.

[Saros]

Hey guys i'm sorry but I will be slow in getting turns in for a while. I live in Christchurch NZ and we got hit by a major earthquake. Probably hundreds dead and everything is a shambles.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/christchur...rch-quake-Day-2 (http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/christchurch-earthquake/photos/4692812/Christchurch-quake-Day-2)

I'm working long long hours at the lab and power and net are intermittent so I will get to turns when I can but keeping a regular schedule will be difficult for a while.
I don't mind if you want to look for a sub as I understand how frustrating it can be to be left waiting on turns.

Thanks
Ben

[mscfish]

Hey guys i'm sorry but I will be slow in getting turns in for a while. I live in Christchurch NZ and we got hit by a major earthquake. Probably hundreds dead and everything is a shambles.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/christchur...rch-quake-Day-2 (http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/christchurch-earthquake/photos/4692812/Christchurch-quake-Day-2)

I'm working long long hours at the lab and power and net are intermittent so I will get to turns when I can but keeping a regular schedule will be difficult for a while.
I don't mind if you want to look for a sub as I understand how frustrating it can be to be left waiting on turns.

Thanks
Ben
Wish you good luck.

[Korwin]

Take your time Saros, we are searching for an sub for Blackguard anyway, so we are postphoning at the moment anyway...

*goes to bump the Subsearch thread*
*and postphones the turn again*

[Korwin]

We got an (possible?) sub!
Sure, I'm interested.

[Korwin]

Turn got sent to SirMu.
Take your time, I'll postphone the turn if the need arises.

[SirMu]

I'm a bit confused. I placed the .trn file into savedgames under a folder I created (Last Rites), but when I open dominions3, I don't have the game available under continue existing game.

[Korwin]

If you create a new local game, is there a new folder in savedgames?
Another posibility is, sometimes the trn file get to me with out the extension ie. Late_Phytium.trn without the .trn.
If thats the problem, renaming the file should do the trick.

[SirMu]

1) Yes, there is a new folder in savedgames if I create a new game.
2) The file already came with .trn

Edit: Got it to work by exiting out of the folder with the .trn file.

[Korwin]

:D :up:

[SirMu]

Sent turn.

[SirMu]

I'm a bit lost; how can I move a commander when it's not showing up on the main screen because there are too many commanders in the province? I can't take my turn until I figure this out.

[Korwin]

There is an arrow to scroll down, you may need to search for it, its visibility is not good.
Another trick is to Press "n" to get to an commander whitout orders. Another "n" and you get to the next commander without specific orders.

Edit: Or "F1"!

[SirMu]

Yeah, I'm doing so terribly. I let the giants out of their perpetually being sieged box and out into the world; not to mention I did a communion completely wrong and what was supposed to be a massive earthquake spam party turned into Paralyze Paralyze Paralyze Paralyze Oh whoops look at that fatigue!

[Kojusoki]

well... you did paralized me...

[SirMu]

Not enough, considering you still plowed through my units like they were a field and you were a very angry, large, and diabolical tractor.

[Kojusoki]

lol that was good:)

[nerozero]

I'm going to have to request an extension over the weekend if that is okay, I'm going away and won't have access to Dominions. I should be back by monday, sorry for the inconvenience everyone.

[Korwin]

Done.

[SirMu]

I can hardly even marvel how the AI managed to ignore my DIRECT ORDERS to cast spells that they were my mages were perfectly able to cast. This lost me a battle and many units. I don't get it. How does the AI ignore DIRECT ORDERS?

[Mauxe]

btw - I have found that the - and + keys on my keypad allow me to scroll down through a list of comanders too large to display at once on the main screen.