Noobs are gone frenzY - Late Age - (Running)

[Soyweiser]

Yeah, well sending gems to the wrong person is a honest mistake. Only fair to send them back.

Now, if you forget to script your troops it is your own fault :D

[Anaconda]

o_O

mistake like that could be perceived as a random event of any sort. those shipments would get lost anyway every now and then for a reason or another so why not play accordingly. I indeed embrace fairplay my self, but taking advantage of a clear strategic mistake aint an exploit.

you guys are amazingly noble, thou!

[Catquiet]

I think people would complain if the next Dominions Patch added a random luck event that could redirect the gems and items you send to an alternate destination.

It was not a strategic mistake because sending gems to Soyweiser was not part of his strategy. Misdirected messages can't even be counted as carelessness like not scripting your troops would be. Absolutely everyone makes mistakes, a careful person double checks, but that isn't possible with messages.

I would consider it a meta-game User-Interface issue, therefore sending the gems back was the correct thing to do.

[agelian]

Yeah since you cant even check a message you've set to be sent your only real choice to redo it is redo your entire turn from scratch if your unsure.. not the greatest UI design but there you go..

[Soyweiser]

Also, sometimes when you alt tab out, with a typed message (but unsend) in the message screen, it just deletes the whole message. Great UI :D.

[Anaconda]

UI development might have been better there but it is indeed a strategic mistake if one _lacks situational awereness_ on to whom he/shes is sending such a delivery. this is (the simplest form of) risk management: if you feel uncertain of what you did you can always redo your turn. On the other hand, if you r sure you did the right thing (or unsure that you did but lazy to make sure of it by playing the turn again) you go forth and send the 2h-file. the outcome is on you.

everyone makes mistakes, no argue on that - however there are more drastic mistakes done on regular basis, and no compensation received for them. being sloppy is being sloppy, theres no shame in winning a game, battle or war because your enemy is one. mistake causing a (major) default is strategic - from the perspective of the one who gains, at least. enemy, in a game and in a real life, is free to take advantage of it.

but like I said, very noble, indeed.

The only thing I personally would have sent back is a thank you -note being assured that nex time the sender pays more attention on what hes doing. Of course, I would be happy to sell them back with discount.........maybe.

[Anaconda]

this made me think...if possible...

how do you guys perceive, say, spreading mis/false information in order to gain advantage in a MP game? or any other forms of ruses?

scenario:

I send a falsefied message to thirdparty, making it to look like it was a part of the plan to attack the thirdparty and received by him because of a simple misclick? a forged Zimmerman telegram, if you get my point, to make other people fight each other for your gain.

there are other ruses too, but this one came to my mind?

this is maybe the purest form of Macchiavellian diplomacy, so it is ok! (right?)

So far I have been in understandig it would be ok, in every MP TBS game, from Civ to Winplan to Dom, but now I became suspicious.

[Soyweiser]

Well, I have used variants of those kinds of messages in a different game. (Firststeps, was filled with all kinds of devious diplo, convincing one nation I spoke for more than myself etc. Somebody putting up a global he heard I would approve of. I didn't. etc :D).

But certain mistakes are just common errors. I tend to be rather friendly about those things as I know how easy it is to make a mistake with the not so friendly UI. (And doing a turn all over again SUCKS. had to do it once in the late game in one game because I ****ed up with a cursed arti. Not much fun). I try to be noble. Not all the time of course, but within reasonable bounds. And I doubt that the 50 air gems can win me the game :D.

And anybody who is still dealing with Ermor at this phase in the game deserves what is coming to them. :D

[Soyweiser]

I forgot. To the player who send me the items. Thanks! They will help a lot.

:D

(To obvious?)

[Bullock]

Well maybe i did this to let you think i have an ally !
So if you are suspicious on some1 you will prolly attack him while he could have been of some help against me ;)

Well it s maybe a little twisted ... The 50A was prolly only a mistake ^^

[Herbiedu]

Send them further on to me pls ... i was the intended reciever of the items! (Btw what items exactly) :D :D :D

[Bullock]

Lol Herbi, It s very courageous to declare yourself.

[Herbiedu]

Ah ... Bullock was just 1 Minute to fast with his reply to Soyweiser ... i was talking about sending the items back to me, not any gems!

[Herbiedu]

Whats wrong with the blody server?

[Bullock]

Damn i don't know =( i have sent a mp to llama 12h ago but didn't help.
i hope this will be solved soon, i can't wait to see the next turn :)

[Herbiedu]

Any news from the server or admins jet?

[Soyweiser]

Not really. Just be patient.

[Bullock]

Well, the game is back on track with the server.
I was wondering why, in our fight Soyweiser, my friendly current didn't help me ? Because you had one already on ?

That cost me a lot of mages =(

[Soyweiser]

I don't know actually. Ask at the other forum. One of the more experienced players might know that.

And I'm happy that I finally killed a few of your mages, it is still 40 : 10 or something ;).

[Bullock]

40:10 ? lol i had in mind something closer to 20:20 ^^

Btw did i killed any good mages with my mind hunt of the 3 or 4 previous turns ? i m planning to stop cause it s getting costly :) But if you tell me it s efficient i ll spend more in it.

[LongBrodie]

Bullock, isn't it getting costly using mindhunt against my astral mages?

[Bullock]

Hehe no in your case it s free :)

[Soyweiser]

Mostly h2 priests.

[Soyweiser]

This turn I did lose one mage. But the frigging gui does not tell me which one.

And hello desperation move. Ermor, I'm at your cap, killing your dudes.

[Soyweiser]

This turn I did lose one mage. But the frigging gui does not tell me which one.

And hello desperation move. Ermor, I'm at your cap, killing your dudes.

Edit: Doh moment, moving a undead unit to one high level nature mage, only to remember that GoR doesn't work on undead anymore :D.

[LongBrodie]

Strange. I thought astral mages had a high chance of detecting mages casting Mind Hunt and feebleminding them... Since I have a large number of astral mages, shouldn't your mages be suffering a lot of backlash?

[Bullock]

Strange. I thought astral mages had a high chance of detecting mages casting Mind Hunt and feebleminding them... Since I have a large number of astral mages, shouldn't your mages be suffering a lot of backlash?

I m not mind hunting your guys. They are dying because of the strand of arcane power.


Btw nice turn for both for you. Things are going harder :)

[Bullock]

I can t believe it ... i have lost the game ... how is that possible you can turn a lvl 9-10 dom from a cap !! to 0

in one turn ... that is just not fun. I thought the maximum change in a turn was 1 or maybe 2 ... but not 10 lol

...

I also can't believe how the spell undead mastery is efficient, despite my magic res. (spell, dom & priest buff)
You have turned everything to your side: troops, commanders, even tartarians...
this spell is way too strong...

Finally you finished the battle with 300 more troops and not only shaff!
which means by casting the spell 2 times you prolly got 70% of my troops including commanders.
I have lost all my best mages and commanders due to the high rate of switching undeads from your damn spell and

with the very few remaining almost instant killed by the surrounding troops and their body guards.


So to keep others informed : Atlantis managed to cut Ermor's head one shot, helped by the crazy undead mastery and

by massive preaching in a turn at my cap. I ve lost my pretender with his global enchants and will lose my cap next

turn. There is no way for me to take it back later since i have only my shaff left which will only make his ranks

bigger.
i ve lost 90% of my best mages and will lost my D gems income from the well and my cap. Which means with the so low

10D gems incomes i get from my territories (this damn low income has been also a pain all the game long) i need 2

turns to produce 1 mage...


I guess with such combo with an Ermor costal cap, especially with such a low D income for Ermor, they were no way for me to win in late game against you.

Now the only sure things is i can't win anymore. My new objective is then to not let Atlantis Win this game, so i'm

willing to help anyone who will turn against Soyweiser. (mostly gems i guess since i cant use them anymore)
Do i have to remind you that he s the only vet in position of winning ?

@ Jomon :

You are the only one i can reach with my troops (unless some others want to grab my dead lands), so if you still go

after me i will send waves of undeads and take your lands and will give them to anyone willing to help against

Atlantis or, in the worst case, pillage them. (and i m almost sure i can take 90 % of your lands by sending massive

bunch of shaff everywhere, especially now that i will leave behind all idea of defence)
In the other hand i think if you turn now against atlantis there is a high probability that u win this game (if you manage to beat Atlantis which is not done even with the help of Bogarus & Abysia) . I hope

you will grab this good opportunity.

[Soyweiser]

Wow, have not looked at the turn yet. Basically what I did was ignore the manual and assume that level h1 priests can reduce dom9 down. (It was a gamble, I had a lot of them there, and they could not crack the fort, so it was a gamble). I did have a couple of h2 priests, but these also only get a small chance of preaching away dominion. That I was able to do it was an unexpected bonus. (And could be a bug, h1 priest vs dom 9 should have -5% chance of preaching away the dominion. But it could also be that the % chance is recalculated each time, so 2 h2 priests to put it down to dom 7, and then the massed other h1 priests to take it away. Ps, Dragonrider used the preaching away dominion trick against my forts a lot in bootcamp. I almost lost my vampire armies there).

The huge communion and undead mastery was my final master plan to stop you. I spend the last dunno 10 turns or so, setting that up, forging, researching (lich, undead mastery). Just to pull a turn 1 mastery. And I only moved the communion in this turn, so the destruction of the PD would not give you any indication it was a deadly attack).

Also, I boosted undead mastery to the extreme. 32 slaves +6 magical path (so +3 penetration), lich was lvl 5 +1 for a gem, and had +4 penetration. Base magical save for undead mastery is 8 (it is easy after all). So any undead troops had to save against 15. Which is pretty nice against base mr 10 units. I hoped you would attack me so I would get defenders advantage. (else your troops would have had mr 14).

Of course this was risky as hell, if it had failed you could have easily taken out my retreat routes and routed my army, killing everything.

If a random attack had killed the lich, the whole plan would have failed. Etc etc etc.

Of course, I would advise you not to dispair yet. The game is far from over. I basically used all my gems for this trick. (Basically the biggest gamble I ever took in any game. But I'm glad it paid off :D). But you still have around 7k of undead left. And they increase each turn.

Remember I did use over 100 mages in that battle. It was my master plan. If it had failed, I would have probably conceded to you. Or at least known I could not win anymore.

A well, glad to hear it turned out okey. :D

[Soyweiser]

Also, I hoped that if the undead mastery failed, the 100+ cleansing water spammers would still stop most of your chaff.

[Bullock]

Alright i havent paid enough attention to the fight and didn't notice the slave things. Maybe i wasn't prepared enough for that.
I should have invoc more non-undead stuff to defend my cap and maybe also bring more of indies mages.

Btw i admit it was very well played. But i still remain very disappointed with the fall of my dom in 1 turn.
I thought priest H1 were almost useless against dom10 and h2 not much better.

But yes i m despaired ;) i ve no more mages (like 3 3D national mages remaining...) and will lose 90% of my gems income next turn.Without pretender i have a huge lack of power.

it s obvious i can't win anymore and i m raging against my coastal cap. i hope the others will move fast and together against you !

[Soyweiser]

Well the dominion drop suprissed me a lot too.

Just watched the battle. Wow... Only the golem did some damage.

Ps: I enslaved the eater of the dead. But I did not get it. Weird...

Yeah, coastal caps are very dangerous. One of the many reasons I went after R'lyeh first. Actually, you should always own all provinces next to your cap.

[Bullock]

Omg you cut the retreating road of all my remaining mages ... I hate you

I should have expected it ! :)

[Soyweiser]

I actually expected you to stay put in the fort. Why did you break siege? It only gave me defenders advantage again.

And cutting of the retreat routes was only natural after I counted the nr of SC's I had in that battle :D.

Edit: and thanks for not wrecking the lab.

[agelian]

Hey guys im going to be away from Wednesday 23:00 GMT through to Saturday 23:00 GMT.. so 3 days..

So im basically asking for around a 24 hour extension based on when the turn actually occurs.

Let me know if its a problem.. since ive effectively been in my own world this game I think I could handle a stale..

Ill be contactable throughout but wont have access to Dom3.

Cheers

The Forger of all artefacts!

[Bullock]

I actually expected you to stay put in the fort. Why did you break siege? It only gave me defenders advantage again.

And cutting of the retreat routes was only natural after I counted the nr of SC's I had in that battle :D.

Edit: and thanks for not wrecking the lab.

Yeah i guess those are mistakes due to my noobinesh.
No idea why i break the siege.

@Agelian: sure i ll lengthen the turn.

[Soyweiser]

Well, I think us used the mage assistance during the battles rather well. Casting wailing winds and shadow blasts worked pretty well. So, you are not that noobish. You gave me ideas if I ever play Ermor myself. :D.

[LongBrodie]

I'll be traveling (and without internet access) for the next couple days. I'd appreciate it if we could delay the next turn by 48 hours.

[Bullock]

sure, it s done

[agelian]

I have 14 lightless lanterns and 4[sorry 5] skull mentors if anyone wants to offer something for them :D

[Soyweiser]

I think I could take some of those of your hands. What do you want for them? Gold? :D

Edit:
The lets try to teach the noobs part of me is forcing me to tell this:
Offering me anything is a rather bad idea atm. I'm currently winning, and getting gift of natures bounty up as a nation who leads in provinces is usually a reason to banding together to try and kill me. Especially when I'm still tied up with killing the rest of ermor. (Just don't try to use undead, purgatory will probably kill those ;) ).

Just pooling gems for dispels would be smart.

Or if nobody wants to band together, try to kill one of your weaker neighbours.

[agelian]

there isnt much I can do with gold at this stage of the game.. I guess an offer of gems is would be best :D

[Soyweiser]

Gems also okey? Sadly I lack fire gems, but I could offer 20 dgems for the 5 skull mentors.

Edit: and don't underestimate Ermor btw. I might have killed his cap, and took out a lot of his mages, but he is still one of the strongest nations. A nation going from, I can probably win to, I'm going to wreck as much as possible. Is a horrible thing to fight. I'm happy that ermor and me only share a sea border :D. (Or used to share only a sea border :D).

[Bullock]

Gems also okey? Sadly I lack fire gems, but I could offer 20 dgems for the 5 skull mentors.

Edit: and don't underestimate Ermor btw. I might have killed his cap, and took out a lot of his mages, but he is still one of the strongest nations. A nation going from, I can probably win to, I'm going to wreck as much as possible. Is a horrible thing to fight. I'm happy that ermor and me only share a sea border :D. (Or used to share only a sea border :D).

You won't fool them long ! But i'm sure they know where comes from the threat. (for those who doesn't it's the dude who has almost all element kings and queens between tons of other invocs, and his first in most charts)

Btw i put 40 gems of any color for your research stuff Agelian. ( i need only few lanterns though)

[Soyweiser]

I only have the earth and water kings/queens, and one of the air ones.

[Bullock]

yeah that s why i said almost :)
You have also dudes like the one with 4f 4d king of banefire or something like that.

Anyway i don't need to convince other since they are already :)

[Soyweiser]

Anthrax died actually. No retreat routes.

[agelian]

40 gems is sounding like the goods :) ill take fire if you have them :D let me know how many lanterns you want

[Soyweiser]

Anyway i don't need to convince other since they are already :)

Great! I kinda hoped as much. Casting GoNB as a leading nation is supposed to be a death wish.

[Bullock]

Anyway i don't need to convince other since they are already :)

Great! I kinda hoped as much. Casting GoNB as a leading nation is supposed to be a death wish.

Lol at yout income ... I hope others gonna wake up soon lol.

[Soyweiser]

Yeah, I would have hit the 10k, if only you had not taken my provinces!

[Bullock]

Lol ... i have cast Well of misery who has overwhelmed one of the global of Atlantis. But it seems that the same global has been targeted by a dispel... and it s my well who has been deleted... haaaaaaaaaaa

[Soyweiser]

Nice, I wondered what happened there.

[Bullock]

Well it seems that something similar happened again this turn ...

Since too many people, not to say everybody, are too shy or stubborn to attack atlantis while most of his troops are in my lands i think Atlantis has won this game. Therefore i call a painful vote to admit Atlantis victory.

Also with jomon still attacking me despite the obvious necessity to turn against Atlantis i will resume my attack against him and raze his lands before the world's enslavement by the fishies.

[Soyweiser]

I agree, come on noobs. Do not let the vet win. Attack me you *****es! (Basically this isn't the best diplo message, but noobs usually need some sort of prod to make them a bit more agressive (Not you Bullock btw, you are quite agressive already. Good :).)

Also, as I'm currently trying to disable my chances of winning. Personally I consider NAP3's to be a early game tool. Late game, you should really try to go for the win, and if breaking a nap is the way to go, do so. You are pretender GODS, not pretender wimps! :D

Getting rid of the GoH global was a good move btw. The game is far from over imho. (If you band together and do something about me, like you did vs ermor ;)).

[Soyweiser]

(Ow, btw, personally, I would kill ermor first, but that is just because I dislike leaving loose ends).

[Herbiedu]

Cant help it, but the server is not sending me the turnfile! Tried a resend for 3 times now.

[agelian]

Youy can try email llamabeast.. or have our game admin change the email address for your race to his and see if he gets the email and can forward to you :D

[Herbiedu]

Try Nr.4 worked! :-)

[Bullock]

Well i think i m about to go back into the void.
Ty everybody for this nice game especially those who didn't dogpiled me :)
And a special tx also to catquiet who remained in the game to craft me some blood stuff & Soyweiser for the lesson =p
I think i will go AI next turn.

Does any1 want the admin rights ? however i can keep an eye on the thread so it's as you want.

[Soyweiser]

Well, you could make me subadmin. But, I cannot guarantee that I will always see mails or posts. I do however am a regular. :D.

Ps, good job on getting the GoH down, iirc it was a rather big overcast. But I could have been wrong.

[Bullock]

Ok i have sent you the password.

Good luck everybody, i hope you won't let the vet win :)

[Herbiedu]

Good luck to you aswell Bullock! It was fun playing with you! And thx for a lot of good advices!
We will surely see each other in other games again!

[Soyweiser]

Wow, the password is creepy ;).

Ontopic.

YOU BACKSTABBING RAT BASTARDS!

[Soyweiser]

And thanks for playing Bullock. You are a worthy opponent. And it was a lot of fun. (And frustration ;) ).

[LongBrodie]

Fond of Shishis much, Soy? :P

[Soyweiser]

****, I'm sad... Bogarus if you had only stormed that fort... I put so many teleported hit everything on the battle field mages in there that all the attacking mages hurt by the murdering winter spells would have certainly died.

Yeah, I like Shishis. They are great. I think they are a bit underpriced. Horribly spammable. Perfect air gem sink. Sadly cloud trapeze is so expensive :D.

Actually, I think nations with reliable air 2+ access are super. Great summons in air.

And WTF one of my mages went offscript and casted vortex of returning...

Troop: "Sir, we have won the battle, the enemy is almost retreating"
Mage, casting spell after spell. "What? Retreat? Where how? Quickly! Vortex of returning!"
Troop: "NOOOOOOOOOOOO"

It seems ermor will live one more turn. :D

[Soyweiser]

Ps, utgard, what am I going to do with a Bane venom charm?

[Herbiedu]

Can you please hold the turn till monday midday 12 o'clock? I am in unexpected duty this weekend and wont make it till than.

[Bullock]

done :)

[Soyweiser]

I won't be able to do the turn in time, extended it 12 hours.

[Soyweiser]

I'm sorry the turns take such a huge time. But I'm trying, I really am. But I just don't think that I can stop Bogarus, Jomon and then Abysia.

And Bogarus, script your mages better dammnit! If you only had forged one crystal matrix you could have had a turn 1 master enslave. (give it to the last astral mage, let the rest cast communion slave, give him boosters, tadaa).

Another thing, Abysia what are you doing? There are these huge former emorian lands which you could try to take from me, or my homeland, which is also being raped by bogarus and jomon.

And Jomon. damn... why did you kill all my shishi? ... :(

[Soyweiser]

I know I'm basically talking to myself here. But as the game is standing right now. You should not let me win. I''m bashed and battered heavily from the long wars I had. And while I have taken out R'lyeh, Ermor, and most of Borarus. (Yeah, I know you are still in the game, but that mad dash at my cap isn't working all that well now is it?).

You should be way more agressive. Abysia. Take what provinces you can have.

Utgard, my sekret ally, I think, dunno what you are doing. Start raiding all those provinces with temples.

Jomon. Why is that army standing still next to the former patala cap?

I'm horribly overextended, have negative gold income for every other turn. And still I feel that the pressure is not on enough. Be more fierce.

Of course. If nobody really cares to continue we could also call it a day. But I still think it would be easy to defeat me. I mostly only have the cap only mages which are pretty strong from LA atlantis I grant you that. But the rest is sucky.

I have few SC's. (Jomon has way more. (you really need to add antimagica amulets btw (those cyclopses... easy to kill. Any sc with 16 mr has a 50% chance of death vs one of my mind hunts. (eye of void gives +2 rune breaker gives +2 base 12). Or sneak/move a lot more astral mages around. I can mindhunt to easily. Jomon should be mind hunt immune. Same as bogarus, and actually all the nations in the game right now (apart from atlantis)).

Good try on the one person why is mindhunting my btw. Sure the earth king will not die from it. (I took additional precautions last turn, added a lot of scouts to him).

But I expect to see a lot more end game tactics. Where are the, 1 turn, you now lose all your non forted provinces attacks? The master enslave/undead enslave/all the other mass spells.

Also, you always want any of these spells to activate on turn one.

Another tip. Want to **** me over, dispell that Gift of health. Of course, now I have gathered a lot of new N gems for a recast, so expect to do it again.

Abysia, blood hunt and domsaccing perhaps? Your dom should be huge by now. You are the only dom sac nation left iirc. Also get those blood SC's.

I'm not saying this because I want to be a dick or something, but just because I see all this wasted opportunity that you all do not use. Throwing everthing at me piecemeal, allowing me to just snipe away at it. And not going after it massed. Jomon seems to be the only one really fighting.

[Herbiedu]

Your right Soy :-)
And thanks for the good advices. Will try harder.

[LongBrodie]

In my defense, I've been a little out of it because I just had knee surgery... and this is the first time I've made it into late-game with a solid position. It's hard to keep track of all my options, especially with Jomon's ridiculous amount of diversity.

I've been trying to get more anti-magic gear, Soy, but I didn't have much of an income in Astral Pearls until a few turns ago. I'm ramping up production now. :P

[Herbiedu]

Hi all together. I am here today to tell you that in my mind this game is not really "hot" anymore. I have the feeling that all of us are playing here with rather a "cold flame" and not with full effort. The spirit is kind of gone.
From my side ... i think we have seen a great game with changing powers ... never thougt emor could fall ... and we should call for an end. I personally dont want to carry on. What are your thougts?

[LongBrodie]

I suppose I'd be ok with a draw with Atlantis. This game will take forever, otherwise. :)

[agelian]

Sorry I havent really been around for ages.. been busy changing jobs IRL.. I was a lost cause before I attacked you Atlantis and I decided to just go out in a ball of fire cause a bit o damage on my way to keeping your capital occupied.. I gave most of my stuff to Jomon and thought that my actions should help him a little bit to make the contest more even. The problem is IRl intervened and my scripts and placements where non-existant in any of those battles to the capital..

so yes i could have seriously done a load more damage had I put a lot more time into it alas I havent had much free time recently.. Been hired to work in the US so im doing visa's and packing and bank acc's and all sorts of lovely stuff!!

Again apologies for not playing better.. It seems the forums stopped notfying me of new posts here as well.. boo

[LongBrodie]

My computer died and I won't have it back for a while, so I imagine my stale turns are looking pretty nasty for Jomon. If you guys want to find a sub for me, that's fine, although I'd be happy with a draw between Jomon and Atlantis.

[Soyweiser]

Hi guys, sorry I kinda dropped out of sight here. I remember posting something here that I agreed with the draw vote, and was a bit weary of the end game fight already. (I considered it not to be winnable from my point anymore, and I actually was thinking about calling the game for Ermor earlier ;). (funny how that went)).

But that post was eaten by the server apparently. Sorry about that. I wanted to leave the game open for anybody who still wanted to try out some things.

But I'm going to close the game now if nobody objects.

Thanks for the game anyway, it was a lot of fun. And a very strange game ;). I never knew that you could bring down a -10 dom enemy province to positive dominion in one turn. Scary.