I Need More Power! - yet another MA newbie game - Finished (Ulm won by agreement)

[Lung Drago]

Greetings. I lurked these forums for a little while anxiously awaiting a PBEM newbie game I could actually join to, yet my patience went dry. So, I jump the gun first!
Up to this point, I played only SP and I hardly can be considered a good or experienced player as I got my entrails spilled out of me by AI several times not so long ago. Does not matter to me, though. Also note that is still one of my fresh games with the CBM mod. Only my last 2 SP games were with CBM and I am still discovering the various changes.

Anyways, this IS A NEWBIE game. I am not going to set some "played game limit" as it looks silly to me, but please do think over if your level of skill will make the game enjoyable for you as well as for example, me (:angel)
Mods:
CBM 1.84
hosted on llamaserver (completely no experience with this either, hopefully I wont commit a sin)

The game is over - Ulm won by diplomatic agreement :) Congratulations to Mightypeon!

Link to the map -> Plane of Rusty Nails v4 (http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?t=45271) - v4 is at the bottom of the thread

Number of players: 11 - final number
Map: will be based on number of players gathered
Era: Middle Age
Strength of Indies: 7
HoF: 15
renaming on
Graphs on
Picked nations
Research: Normal
Gold multiplier: 125
Resources multiplier: 125
Supply multiplier: 125
Diplomacy: Encouraged! Machiavellian type, but with a 3 turn warning before breaking a NAP treaty. All nations are to be hostile to each other at the start of the game.
Turn frequency: I'll follow the general standard here, start fast (36h) and gradually grow slower as the micromanagement rises

Last, but not least: as this is a newbie game I optimistically do not expect to meet problems regarding using of exploits that I stumbled upon reading on these forums. But just for the record, I dislike such behavior. Stay fair, people. If you cannot swallow a defeat, then you will be a newbie forever. In spirit of my previous sentence, please do not go AI after a single major battle lost :)

Looking forward to an enjoyable game!

Current list of players (11) and their nations:


FAJ - MA Abysia, Blood and Fire
Anaconda - MA Ashdod, Reign of the Anakim
krpeters - MA Atlantis, Kings of the Deep
BewareTheBarnacleGoose - MA C'tis, Miasma
jimbojones1971 - MA Ermor, Broken Empire
momfreeek - MA Man, Tower of Avalon
Squeelch - MA Marignon, Fiery Justice
Heinrich - MA Pangaea, Age of Bronze
cool_hc - MA Shinuyama, Land of the Bakemono
Lung Drago - MA T'ien Ch'i, Imperial Bureaucracy
Mightypeon - MA Ulm, Forges of Ulm - winner

[Squeelch]

I would like to join as Marignon.

[Lung Drago]

I would like to join as Marignon.

Added you in ^^ If anyone has any suggestions, feel free to speak your mind :)

[cool_hc]

I would like to join as Shinuyama. Thanks

[BewareTheBarnacleGoose]

Hi! Could I join as C'tis?

[jimbojones1971]

I think I've played about 8 MP games, so I'm not a complete n00b but I'm still pretty green (not to mention inept).

If you think its appropriate, I'd like to give MA Ermor a shot (or, failing that MA Jotunheim).

(I am, however, reasonably comfortable with how the llamaserver works, so if you need any tips I am very happy to help, whether I am playing or not.)

[Lung Drago]

I think I've played about 8 MP games, so I'm not a complete n00b but I'm still pretty green (not to mention inept).

If you think its appropriate, I'd like to give MA Ermor a shot (or, failing that MA Jotunheim).

(I am, however, reasonably comfortable with how the llamaserver works, so if you need any tips I am very happy to help, whether I am playing or not.)

Well as I said earlier I do not believe that skill of a player can be measured simply by played games (real-life experience :D). It's ok. Thanks for your offer of help, I will certainly keep that in mind!


5 players already! I think this is shaping up quite nicely :happy:

[momfreeek]

Hi. I'd like to join as Man. My first MP :)

[FAJ]

It has been a long time since I have played, and I was never terribly good :) Trying to get back into the game, essentially as a newbie.

I would like to join as Abysia.

[Lung Drago]

Thanks everyone for signing in ^^

Since players began to pour in (which I am happy to see) I think it is ok for us to slowly begin deciding on which map do we want to play on :) I kinda like how the map "Urapparand" looks, what do you guys think? Also Shahrivar or Cradle of Dominion look good to me.

[Mightypeon]

I would like to give MA Ulm a go.

[krpeters]

I would like to play Atlantis. My experience: I've played 3 MP games, and sucked in all of them. I should be easy meat for anyone with a clue.

[Squeelch]

I have no preference on map so just choose whatever you want to.

[krpeters]

With respect to map choice, I like the idea of a wraparound map, but Urraparand is fairly linear (check it out, it's a thin snake working itself around the world). Is there another reasonably sized one with a better shape? The Desert Eye is shaped well but probably too small, and Orania is huge.

Also, can we leave score graphs on, so I can see who's most dangerous and attack him first?

[Lung Drago]

With respect to map choice, I like the idea of a wraparound map, but Urraparand is fairly linear (check it out, it's a thin snake working itself around the world). Is there another reasonably sized one with a better shape? The Desert Eye is shaped well but probably too small, and Orania is huge.

Also, can we leave score graphs on, so I can see who's most dangerous and attack him first?

With the way new players are coming in, I think Orania could pretty well be a valid choice. A solid one at that.
Another possibility would be Riverlands (V1.2). I'll propably start a poll in the near future regarding the map now that we have some names to work with.

And graphs are going to be on. It reduces the need of scouting somewhat, and I do not expect many players here to scout that good with the way I scout badly.

[jimbojones1971]

I would like to suggest Plain of Rusty Nails v4. Advantages:
- it is a wraparound map, as requested, which prevents the weird dynamics that can happen if someone gets a corner to themselves
- Calahan has made it a personal crusade to correct the game, and by v4 it is a safe bet that it has few if any bugs left
- fixed starts, so no-one should start in a truly awful situation

I got stomped on this map playing T'ien C'hi, and can vouch that it is a good map to play on :-)

It does however have a limit of 10 land plus 1 sea. At the moment we've got 8 land plus 1 sea, so if we go with this map we could take two more players and then we'd be full.

Edit: Sorry, forgot the link to the map. It can be found here (v4 at the bottom of the thread):
Plane of Rusty Nails (http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?t=45271)
It is already up on the llamaserver (with v1, 2, and 3 ...)

[krpeters]

How many provinces per player are we looking for? 10? 15? 20? We're going to need a lot more players for Orania. But I think we are going to wind up with more than Rusty Nails can accomodate.

[Lung Drago]

How many provinces per player are we looking for? 10? 15? 20? We're going to need a lot more players for Orania. But I think we are going to wind up with more than Rusty Nails can accomodate.

Personally I like big maps (20 provs) Counting 10 players, Orania comes out with 28 provinces per player (...big!) while Rusty Nails comes out with 15.5 provinces per player. RN really dwindles in size if more players come in. It is perhaps a good map for our current state, but not if we get more players in.
A bigger alternative would be Riverlands (with 24.5) that scales itself nicely up to 14 players and anything bigger than that is Orania.
Nah, I am going to set up the poll now ^^

edit: OK, voting is up. Let us see on exactly how big maps we will settle :)

[Heinrich]

Pleas count me in as Pangea.

Thanks

[FAJ]

"Diplomacy: Encouraged! Machiavellian type, with a 3 turn warning before attack"

Could you clarify this? Does this mean that NAP-3 agreements we make must be honored? Or does that mean that I have to declare war 3 turns in advance against anyone I meet, even if we have no other diplomatic agreements?

[Lung Drago]

"Diplomacy: Encouraged! Machiavellian type, with a 3 turn warning before attack"

Could you clarify this? Does this mean that NAP-3 agreements we make must be honored? Or does that mean that I have to declare war 3 turns in advance against anyone I meet, even if we have no other diplomatic agreements?

The first option. None treaties are considered unbreakable apart from NAP, breaking a NAP has to come with a 3 turn warning. All nations start at war at the start of the game. Hmm, maybe I could rephrase that in the original post.

[krpeters]

A bigger alternative would be Riverlands (with 24.5) that scales itself nicely up to 14 players and anything bigger than that is Orania.

Where can I find Riverlands? Rusty Nails is fine too if we've run out of interested players.

[momfreeek]

I found here a "fixed" version of riverlands (called crown5). Sounds like it'd be a better choice.

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?t=45414
What's the main goal of the revision?

To fix tons of phantom provinces and lacking connections I was too lazy to fix before chrispedersen did. This makes the map actually fine and playable, and while it's too big for the MP games I regularily play, I do appriciate it so that I don't have to think about fixing it anymore ;)

[jimbojones1971]

The plain of rusty nails is looking pretty likely (assuming no late upsets in the polling!) - that would let us take in one more player (land nation), and then kick off.

When do you plan to make the call either way, Lung Drago?

BTW, I like the formal need to break NAPs, it will add a different flavour to the game which is always nice.

[Lung Drago]

The plain of rusty nails is looking pretty likely (assuming no late upsets in the polling!) - that would let us take in one more player (land nation), and then kick off.

When do you plan to make the call either way, Lung Drago?


You're right. I think I will set up the game on llamaserver now so we can send our pretenders in. In the meantime, we can accept one more player.


BTW, I like the formal need to break NAPs, it will add a different flavour to the game which is always nice.
Wow thanks! I am happy that this is being accepted. I thought this little rule will help us react to attacks and minimize undefended 10+provinces-at-the-same-time invasions :)))

[Anaconda]

If there's opening I would like to join with Asdod.

[Anaconda]

btw, could you link the correct map version?

nvm, found it from my study, lying around under the sofa.

[FAJ]

What is the deadline for pretenders?

Will quickhost be enabled?

[Lung Drago]

What is the deadline for pretenders?

Will quickhost be enabled?

Friday 2nd September? I should be able to start the game any day (I turned auto-start off to make sure that all pretenders received are correct) so we can start as soon as all gods are in.

And yes, I will enable quickhost. The way I understood the llamaserver, it can be set in such a way that it quickhosts when all turns are received and also hosts after a set time (which will be 36h at first, I do get the impression that some of you must be from the other side of the globe given the time of replies).


Reminder: Make sure you are creating your pretender with CBM 1.84 turned on.
Link to the map -> Plain of Rusty Nails v4 (http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?t=45271)

[jimbojones1971]

Esmeralda The Good Witch of Ermor is in.

Don't be deceived by all those tricky undead, or the whole Broken Empire thing - Ermor are really the good guys! :-)

[BewareTheBarnacleGoose]

Sorry, but I have never played multiplayer before, and dont know how this works. How do we join/ find the server, and submit pretenders?

[Lung Drago]

Sorry, but I have never played multiplayer before, and dont know how this works. How do we join/ find the server, and submit pretenders?

You need to go to Game Tools -> Create Pretender God in game menu and send the created file to the server. Please read up on these two posts:
How to join a llamaserver game (http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showpost.php?p=529316&postcount=2)

How to play a llamaserver game (http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showpost.php?p=529317&postcount=3)

You can check on the status of the game here: I need More Power (http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=INeedMorePower)

[FAJ]

Pretender in for Abysia

[jimbojones1971]

Sorry, but I have never played multiplayer before, and dont know how this works. How do we join/ find the server, and submit pretenders?

Just a quick warning on a pitfall to avoid, BewareTheBarnacleGoose. When you create your pretender, you will need to make certain that you have the CBM 1.84 mod both installed and enabled.

You can see the mods you have enabled in the top right of the Dom3 screen when you first open the game. Make sure than CBM 1.84, and ONLY that mod is enabled before you create your pretender.

If you get the mods wrong, when the game starts you will get an error message from Dom3 on turn 1 basically stating that you have cheated and that your pretender has been "adjusted" (= totally nerfed).

Its not too big a deal for Lung Drago to unstart the game and let you resubmit your pretender (the other pretenders stay submitted, from memory), but best avoided if possible.

Once your pretender is done, you can find them in the NewLords folder under saved games (they'll be named after your nation - use the date stamp to find the one you just created). Create an email, attach your pretender, and then send the email as follows:
* address to send email to: pretenders@llamaserver.net
* email subject: INeedMorePower

Hope that all helps - otherwise, keep asking until you get what you need :-)

[Mightypeon]

Rosa Luxemburg is in, for the Proletariat! May the Ulmish revolution succeed with Hammer(s) and Sickle!

[BewareTheBarnacleGoose]

Thanks for the help everyone, but I still cant seem to get this to work. I've tried making a pretender a dozen times, and I can access them if I try to start an SP game, but I cant find the pretender file in the savegame folder. Nor did I see a "newlords" subfile. Is there something Im missing?

[jimbojones1971]

What operating system are you using?

I've got both Windows XP and Windows Vista, and they both put the file in a different spot.

BTW, it took me a while to work this out the first time, so it's certainly not just you whose had this problem :-)

[jimbojones1971]

On Windows XP my file path is as follows:

C:\Program Files\dominions3\savedgames\newlords

And the pretender (in the newlords folder) will be called something like "mid_ermor_0.2h".

I'll post what it is from my Vista machine (think that Win 7 is the same) later on.

[Lung Drago]

Yes, Vista and 7 will propably have permission issues if you installed the game to Program Files. The "real" savedgames folder that is used by the game could be located somewhere either in

C:\Users\[your user account name]\Documents\My Games
or
C:\Users\[your user account name]\AppData\Local\VirtualStore\Program Files\dominions3

Note that AppData folder is most likely a hidden folder, so you need to turn "Show hidden files and folders" on through View tab in Tools -> Folder Options, accessible by pressing Left Alt in Windows Explorer.
If you want to avoid having your OS use these strange paths, there are two options: either do not not install games in Program Files folder on Vista/7 or explicitly start every game as an Administrator.

[BewareTheBarnacleGoose]

Thanks everybody, I finally got it. Just like Lung Drago said, it was in the AppData folder. The Barnacle Goose has been sent it, so..., um, beware it!

[Lung Drago]

All pretenders are in and with correct nations, so on Friday, 2nd September at 0:00 of Earth's GMT+1 time...

It has begun! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lp5ekMlQvi4)

[jimbojones1971]

Rosa Luxemburg is in, for the Proletariat! May the Ulmish revolution succeed with Hammer(s) and Sickle!

Just wanted to say, I love the name and the theme. :-)

Given that Ermor's policy is to liberate the Proletariat from the drudge of every day toil by setting them on fire, then stabbing them repeatedly and finally raising them as undead minions to serve in the legions, I can only hope that we will have a happy and meaningful diplomatic relationship going forward Ms Luxemburg!

- Esmeralda the Good Witch of Ermor, aka Class Enemy Number One

(Edit: The above is entirely tongue in cheek, no offence intended and hopefully none taken.)

[krpeters]

I'm trying to update from 3.26 to 3.27

----------------------------
Dominions 3 has not been totally updated because of the following reason:

The access to the following file is denied:

dom3.exe: error - cannot replace, denied access
----------------------------

Yes, I have Vista. Vista sucks. Now what?

I'm going to try moving the whole dominions tree out of Program Files and see if that works...

[jimbojones1971]

I'm trying to update from 3.26 to 3.27

----------------------------
Dominions 3 has not been totally updated because of the following reason:

The access to the following file is denied:

dom3.exe: error - cannot replace, denied access
----------------------------

Yes, I have Vista. Vista sucks. Now what?

I'm going to try moving the whole dominions tree out of Program Files and see if that works...

If that fails, I think you can right click on the update exe file and run it as administrator, which should in theory get around the problem.

[krpeters]

Moving the directory tree to C:\ worked -- and now I don't have to deal with VirtualStore anymore either. Yay!

But thanks for the rightclick/administrator idea. That might be helpful in the future.

I'll have my turn submitted shortfully. Thankfully, it started me in the big lake. Does that mean Ryleh and Oceania start in the small lakes? Or does the 1 ocean player limit mean he always starts in the big lake?

[Lung Drago]

Given that Ermor's policy is to liberate the Proletariat from the drudge of every day toil by setting them on fire, then stabbing them repeatedly and finally raising them as undead minions to serve in the legions, I can only hope that we will have a happy and meaningful diplomatic relationship going forward Ms Luxemburg!

- Esmeralda the Good Witch of Ermor, aka Class Enemy Number One

Dear Esmeralda, the world is known to flow as a river, in it's set direction, at it's own pace. Life comes in and out of our world in it's own natural way. It isn't wise from a man or god alike to be fighting the flow. Unlife is only an illusion of life and it is a serious imbalance in universe. People of T'ien Ch'i, followers of The Way, are akin to protect the balance of this world by their own choice, and they will do so. Please keep that in mind.

Best regards,
Ariasa, the Two-Spirited, Four-Handed God-Emperor of T'ien Ch'i

[FAJ]

The rivers will flow as blood, against it's set direction, at my own pace. Life comes in and out of our world at my discretion. It isn't wise from a man or pretender alike to be fighting this flow. Hope is only an illusion of the doomed and it is a fleeting novelty of this universe. People of this world, followers of The Pretenders, are akin to sheep at the slaughter. There will be blood.

Best regards,
Big Red, the Beginning and the End, The Man Eater

[Lung Drago]

The rivers will flow as blood, against it's set direction, at my own pace. Life comes in and out of our world at my discretion. It isn't wise from a man or pretender alike to be fighting this flow. Hope is only an illusion of the doomed and it is a fleeting novelty of this universe. People of this world, followers of The Pretenders, are akin to sheep at the slaughter. There will be blood.

Best regards,
Big Red, the Beginning and the End, The Man Eater

By all that is sacred...this is blasphemy! This is madness!

[jimbojones1971]

Moving the directory tree to C:\ worked -- and now I don't have to deal with VirtualStore anymore either. Yay!

But thanks for the rightclick/administrator idea. That might be helpful in the future.

I'll have my turn submitted shortfully. Thankfully, it started me in the big lake. Does that mean Ryleh and Oceania start in the small lakes? Or does the 1 ocean player limit mean he always starts in the big lake?

The map seems to be fixed starts, so presumably that means the water dude always starts in the same spot?

Mind you, last time I played we didn't actually have a water dude.

[Squeelch]

I am a man. But I am also on a horse.
I AM MAN ON HORSE.

Prepare for something that is perhaps not quite unlike the Kentucky Derby but you do not have a horse and shall lose.

- Man on Horse, God of being a man on a horse.

[krpeters]

We must conquer
from the sea
We are an army
with water steeds

We'll rise

From our depths down below

Release yourselves
Down with me
We will conquer
land with water

Atlantis rises!!!

[Heinrich]

Over hills and over meadows
see the crow fly, feel her shadow
Over woods and over mountains
searching for a war

Her wings embrace each strife and battle
where swords they clash and chariots rattle
seeking out the one whose time
has come to take the blade

Morrigan ancient crone of war
I see your face, I'll cry no more
Morrigan ancient crone of war
come lift me on your wings

Morrigan ancient crone of war
I hear your voice, I'll breathe no more
Morrigan ancient crone of war
come set my spirit free

Kill for Morrigan
Maim for Morrigan
Fight for Morrigan
and you will
Slay for Morrigan
Die for Morrigan
Morrigan crone of war

[Mightypeon]

Wow Tien Chi, you must have paid quite a lot for Mr. Dagan ;)

We hope that your working classes receive similiar wages!

[Lung Drago]

Wow Tien Chi, you must have paid quite a lot for Mr. Dagan ;)

We hope that your working classes receive similiar wages!

Greetings, Rosa Luxemburg of Forges of Ulm.
Mages are always valued highly in T'ien Ch'i and I consider my bid just. Whereas we heard rumors that in Ulm magic is feared and it's users laughed on or even prosecuted! Please tell me that isn't true. Surely you evolved already from your ancient barbarian ancestry and learned a bit of tolerance by now?
Yours truly,
Ariasa, the Two-Spirited, Four-Handed God-Emperor of T'ien Ch'i

[krpeters]

Did C'tis submit his first turn? I notice he's slow on turn #2 too. I'm just wondering if he knows we've started the game. Has anyone heard from him?

[Lung Drago]

Did C'tis submit his first turn? I notice he's slow on turn #2 too. I'm just wondering if he knows we've started the game. Has anyone heard from him?

Yes he did. All turns were received last time.

[BewareTheBarnacleGoose]

Did C'tis submit his first turn? I notice he's slow on turn #2 too. I'm just wondering if he knows we've started the game. Has anyone heard from him?

Lol, yea Im still here. Sorry I've been slow. I was spontaneously invited to a rural wedding; last two days have been a blur of local moonshine. No joke!

[krpeters]

OK, glad to hear you're still with us!

[krpeters]

Well this is impressive:

11271

It looks like the RNG is out to kill us all!!!

[krpeters]

Is there some correlation between strength of independents and bad random events? I decided to try playing a game against AIs with strength 7 indies, and everyone is getting clobbered in the first few turns!

[Anaconda]

Did C'tis submit his first turn? I notice he's slow on turn #2 too. I'm just wondering if he knows we've started the game. Has anyone heard from him?

Lol, yea Im still here. Sorry I've been slow. I was spontaneously invited to a rural wedding; last two days have been a blur of local moonshine. No joke!

hats something. especially if your from urban setting, but we hillbillies enjoy it every times as much, maybe even more.

[BewareTheBarnacleGoose]

hats something. especially if your from urban setting, but we hillbillies enjoy it every times as much, maybe even more.

Ha, yea, I wasn't prepared for how hard "hillbillies" party, or how potent their alcohol was!

[Lung Drago]

Oh my, I'm biddin' those mercenaries.

[BewareTheBarnacleGoose]

Hey, is llamaserver down? I sent my turn in this morning, and I still havent recieved a confirmation. Also the game status page says it hasnt updated in a while. Or is this normal?

[Lung Drago]

Looks down to me all right, guess that means I have to postpone this turn or else it will stale half of us out.

[krpeters]

Is it just us or are all the llamaserver games down?

[jimbojones1971]

Is it just us or are all the llamaserver games down?

It is all games. Llamabeast is attending to personal matters, so it could potentially be a while longer before he is able to work his magic and bring the llamaserver back from its slumber.

[Lung Drago]

It looks the server was restored, though it also seems that turn 4 got through rather finicky. I got my mailbox spammed and had to ask for a turn resend in order to even get turn 5.

[FAJ]

I needed to do that as well. Everyone should probably check on that.

[krpeters]

Well, that's annoying, I lost turn 5.

Oh well, hopefully my situation isn't too hopeless. At least the ocean has me well protected.

[Heinrich]

Same here, stale directly to turn 6 without ever getting turn 5!

[Lung Drago]

Same here, stale directly to turn 6 without ever getting turn 5!

Have you read mine and FAJ's post?

[Heinrich]

Not in time I fear.

[krpeters]

Have you read mine and FAJ's post?

Yes -- but how do you request a turn resend? I tried to ask, but my computer ran into problems and the post got lost.

[Lung Drago]

Have you read mine and FAJ's post?

Yes -- but how do you request a turn resend? I tried to ask, but my computer ran into problems and the post got lost.

On the game's page (http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=INeedMorePower) is a link called Request turn resend. Just pick your country and the server will re-send the turn file to it's saved email address.
3 nations have staled. I can roll the game back one turn, though - and I will propably do it, as I continue to think about it. I hope everyone is OK with the delay, but 3 staling nations could have rather big effect later and I like to keep things fair, for everyone.

[krpeters]

I hope everyone is OK with the delay, but 3 staling nations could have rather big effect later and I like to keep things fair, for everyone.

Ahhh, I see the link now, thanks! And thanks too for the reboot. I hope everyone else is OK with it.

[Lung Drago]

OK, the game should be at turn 5 again. To put it bluntly, I am an idiot and I rolled the game twice :D I am up for like 30 hours straight and it's obvious I'm tired and need some sleep :( Iam sorry I spammed your mailboxes due to my mistake. Doh. The turn 5 2h files (thankfully turn 4's as well which allowed me to get back to 5 :D) are still on the server, so actually the only ones that -need- to send their 2h files are those staling nations. If you actually want to change anything about turn 5, which you have a generous opportunity to do, make sure you delete your current 2h file beforehand. It is a 2h from turn 6 and it will conflict with .trn file of turn 5. I will however force-host once those 3 turns of staling nations are in (if I am not asleep :D) to make it all quicker, so make your changes, if any, in time.

P.S: By the time im posting this, turn 5 didnt get automatically sent to me yet even though it was force-hosted. It seems that sending is broken for that turn completely. Either ask for resend or just use the one from when I was rolling back, they should be identical.
Oh something also ocurred to me just now: I hereby honorably declare I didn't change anything to my turn 4 file and that roll back was completely by my mistake. I literally rolled back, minute after forgot about it, and rolled it back again. Yes I know, I need some rest.

[krpeters]

OK, I forgive you, get some sleep already!

[Heinrich]

Thank you for the rollback. It shouldn't have any big incidence as we are not far in the game.

Anyway thanks again.

[FAJ]

I don't need to change anything about my turn, but the game page says it is waiting for my 2h file. Should I re-do my turn and send it in?

[jimbojones1971]

OK, from what I can tell turn four was reprocessed.

If this is the case, then the outcomes for turn five will be subtly different, so everyone will need to re-do turn five to avoid all sorts of awesome and interesting consequences.

Roll backs are tricky at the best of times Lung Drago, I assure you that you are not the first person to have this issue! Under the circumstances, I think you were right to do the rollback.

Keep in mind that you can request a turn resend for anyone, so if you don't think that the turn has gone out correctly it is probably worth just doing one for every nation.

[momfreeek]

OK, from what I can tell turn four was reprocessed.

If this is the case, then the outcomes for turn five will be subtly different, so everyone will need to re-do turn five to avoid all sorts of awesome and interesting consequences.Wow, this sounds cool. We should do this every turn.

[Lung Drago]

OK, from what I can tell turn four was reprocessed.

If this is the case, then the outcomes for turn five will be subtly different, so everyone will need to re-do turn five to avoid all sorts of awesome and interesting consequences.



Oh my god, you're right. See, it didn't come to me yesterday at all! Due to my mistake, this turn 5 is most likely different, no matter if orders were changed or not. Hopefully it would be only minor differences like losing more/fewer men in battles than before, but I agree everyone should send their turns again just to be on the safe side of things.
Most already did, so good job there :)


OK, from what I can tell turn four was reprocessed.

If this is the case, then the outcomes for turn five will be subtly different, so everyone will need to re-do turn five to avoid all sorts of awesome and interesting consequences.Wow, this sounds cool. We should do this every turn.
I think I remember myself saving old .trn files to sort of cheat in SP. But I also think it was awfully hard to persuade Dominions into a better outcome. At best, I could lose a battle with fewer losses, but could not pull off a victory without changing the scripting and formations. Due to that, I believe the new, different turn 5 shouldn't be too much of an issue to anyone. Thankfully.


So, please send your turn 5 files again, and make sure you do not have your turn 6 .2h file when loading turn 5.
I again apologize for causing this slowdown :doh: Hopefully we can continue from now on without any issues at all.

[FAJ]

My random events changed and my battles went a bit differently. Nothing too catastrophic.

[Mightypeon]

Wow Tien Chi, you must have paid quite a lot for Mr. Dagan ;)

We hope that your working classes receive similiar wages!

Greetings, Rosa Luxemburg of Forges of Ulm.
Mages are always valued highly in T'ien Ch'i and I consider my bid just. Whereas we heard rumors that in Ulm magic is feared and it's users laughed on or even prosecuted! Please tell me that isn't true. Surely you evolved already from your ancient barbarian ancestry and learned a bit of tolerance by now?
Yours truly,
Ariasa, the Two-Spirited, Four-Handed God-Emperor of T'ien Ch'i

Greetings Ariasa the Two Spirited, Four Handed God Emperor of T'ien Ch'i,

we indeed intend to lift the Ulmish people from opression to a true classless society beneficial to all of it. The Peoples Republic of Ulm shall be a paradise for workers, warriors and mages alike!

Rosa Luxemburg
General Secretary of the Peoples Republic of Ulm

[Mightypeon]

OOC:

We would also propose that our fellow co-revolutionists turn on "receive private messages" in their user CP setting. This makes diplomacy quicker and no longer reliant on the in game messaging system.

[Lung Drago]

An unexplainable increase in income? I felt everyone had an unexplainable decrease in income, which I believe someone was pointing out here.
What the hell is happening?

[FAJ]

My new turn 6, after the rehost, I got a special event for a large amount. My income is otherwise very low, so maybe it was confused.

In related news... the poor prince who dropped dead on my doorstep left 2x holy scourges as well; if anyone is interested :D

[Anaconda]

I got several heroes, bought and random, turned to normal soldiers.

My best gues is that this has something to do with redoing the several turns - or otherwise some1 of us is altering the code (deja vu)

[FAJ]

You had commanders become troops? That is very odd; hopefully nobody too important!

[Anaconda]

It will be funny to c what happens when I use gift of reason.

[momfreeek]

I lost one owl scroll but gained Sheshai, the witch of avalon (no message telling me she arrived). Can't complain :happy:

[FAJ]

Lets hope the shenanigans calm down now that we are past the point of roll-back!

[momfreeek]

hmm, is sheshai is a unique character? title, description and stats are the same as a normal daughter of avalon (and I think I did just recruit one who is otherwise missing). the only difference is her magic (and associated stat boosts):

daughter of avalon
1N 1?

sheshai
4F 2P

oh yeah! Can random stats like that happen normally?

[Anaconda]

So is there any explanation for these random the happenings?

I just found out that I also got a new hero, simple indie light cav commander with fire and death paths, and AI even made him reanimate dead giants during the same host he arrived...

Theres soem real magic in this game!

[Mightypeon]

My turn was suspiciously normal.

[Lung Drago]

Same here. I haven't ecountered anything extraordinary apart from being practically surrounded by plentiful independent armies :D

[jimbojones1971]

Dear Esmeralda, the world is known to flow as a river, in it's set direction, at it's own pace. Life comes in and out of our world in it's own natural way. It isn't wise from a man or god alike to be fighting the flow. Unlife is only an illusion of life and it is a serious imbalance in universe. People of T'ien Ch'i, followers of The Way, are akin to protect the balance of this world by their own choice, and they will do so. Please keep that in mind.

Best regards,
Ariasa, the Two-Spirited, Four-Handed God-Emperor of T'ien Ch'i

Dear Araisa,

I have pondered your words, but alas the concept of the world being a river only reminds me of running water, which in turn triggers a Pavlovian urge to pee. While I concede it is hypothetically possible that a nation with such amazing cultural depth as T'ien C'hi could have a national philosophy based upon biological functions, I think it more likely that I am simply culturally unequipped to understand The Way - or that perhaps it is time for me to invest in a set of Depends Adult Nappy Pants, to deal with my obvious incontinence issues.

We of Ermor are simple folk. We are dedicated to the ultimate equality of all creatures, and have found that the penultimate expression of equality is found in death (or rather, undeath). After all, any two shambling zombies are much the same, irrespective off whether one was once a prince and the other a pauper.

Some feel that we seek to hurry death to bring this about, but nothing could be further from the truth. Death can afford to be patient, as eventually it comes to all. Our national philosophy is to enjoy life and its privileges while they last, for after you pass through the final veil, only mindless drudgery and the eternal equality of the grave await.

Best wishes, and hoping for a future filled with friendship and love,

Lady Esmeralda, First Consul of Ermor

[Mightypeon]

Dear Esmeralda, the world is known to flow as a river, in it's set direction, at it's own pace. Life comes in and out of our world in it's own natural way. It isn't wise from a man or god alike to be fighting the flow. Unlife is only an illusion of life and it is a serious imbalance in universe. People of T'ien Ch'i, followers of The Way, are akin to protect the balance of this world by their own choice, and they will do so. Please keep that in mind.

Best regards,
Ariasa, the Two-Spirited, Four-Handed God-Emperor of T'ien Ch'i

Dear Araisa,

I have pondered your words, but alas the concept of the world being a river only reminds me of running water, which in turn triggers a Pavlovian urge to pee. While I concede it is hypothetically possible that a nation with such amazing cultural depth as T'ien C'hi could have a national philosophy based upon biological functions, I think it more likely that I am simply culturally unequipped to understand The Way - or that perhaps it is time for me to invest in a set of Depends Adult Nappy Pants, to deal with my obvious incontinence issues.

We of Ermor are simple folk. We are dedicated to the ultimate equality of all creatures, and have found that the penultimate expression of equality is found in death (or rather, undeath). After all, any two shambling zombies are much the same, irrespective off whether one was once a prince and the other a pauper.

Some feel that we seek to hurry death to bring this about, but nothing could be further from the truth. Death can afford to be patient, as eventually it comes to all. Our national philosophy is to enjoy life and its privileges while they last, for after you pass through the final veil, only mindless drudgery and the eternal equality of the grave await.

Best wishes, and hoping for a future filled with friendship and love,

Lady Esmeralda, First Consul of Ermor

Dear Esmeralda,

the revoultion vehemently disagrees with your reactionary reasoning.
While a situation of equality for all is desireable, even inevitable, we intend to use each Ulmish and allied citizen in a way that maximizes his use from himself and all others.
A general that died will become a Bane(lord), a dead mage a Shade, and dead soldiers will come back as Wights.
For us, using the concept of undeath merely means that Death is not the end to the most valuable and valiant agents of the revoultion. It is, as a matter of fact, enshrined in the consitution of the Peoples Republic of Ulm that one will only be permanently reanimated in a form that is more powerfull than the form one had at live.
Thus, the historical dialectic and its struggle for progress defeats even death!
Given that, at the moment, 85% of the Peoples Republics military personal wear a Black Steel Full Plate and a Black Halberd, reanimating our valiant warriors as Zombies is pretty much out.
We are currently looking forward to reanimating Karl Marx as a Mound Lord or Lich.

[krpeters]

Your philosophizings shall not save you. The Water Rises. The hordes of Atlantis shall soon fill your world as water filling your lungs. Adapt or die!

[jimbojones1971]

Your philosophizings shall not save you. The Water Rises. The hordes of Atlantis shall soon fill your world as water filling your lungs. Adapt or die!

Given that my entire nation is planning to move to being a giant ambulatory charnel house, with no use for lungs (water filled or otherwise), I am quite confident that we shall adapt successfully to your challenge!

Lady Esmeralda, First Consul of Ermor

[BewareTheBarnacleGoose]

We of Ermor are simple folk. We are dedicated to the ultimate equality of all creatures, and have found that the penultimate expression of equality is found in death (or rather, undeath). After all, any two shambling zombies are much the same, irrespective off whether one was once a prince and the other a pauper.

The people of Ermor are wise. Death is an appropriate way for the scaleless ones to contribute to the spread of the swamps. To become fertilizer is to participate in the great works of the Barnacle Goose.

[FAJ]

No worries; You all gonna be corpses soon enough :D

-Big Red

[momfreeek]

Dear beloved friends and subjects

There seems to be some misunderstanding amongst you all. Like fishnanny once told me when i was little: you can lead a fish to water but it can't drink. But then she also told me that poor Julian had grown legs and went to live on the land when he was really eaten by that ugly squid ... so..then ... what I'm trying to say is that there is no need for these big words and for you all to have these armies all over the place, you are all welcome to live under the rule of Lucy. All praise the wisdom of Lucy!

May the years be as kind to you as they are to me
Lucy, Goddess of the Lake


PS. if anyone likes really horrid smells perhaps spottygoose can come and live with you, I told him to go away but he's still here.

[Mightypeon]

Your philosophizings shall not save you. The Water Rises. The hordes of Atlantis shall soon fill your world as water filling your lungs. Adapt or die!

The peoples republic of Ulm always utilzes a policy that cares for enviromental concerns. We thus have to inform aquatic species in propable danger of extinction that Ulmish shores have some rather severe amounts of very heavy nasty metal(s).

[krpeters]

Well, I cannot deny that Lady Esmeralda has already adapted well to watery conditions. Hmmm. I may have to come up with a new way to deal with her.

But as for Ulm, I feel I should warn you, heavy metals do not float well. Except perhaps when they contain chunks of ice instead of soldiers, but that will not help you much, will it?

[jimbojones1971]

Well, I cannot deny that Lady Esmeralda has already adapted well to watery conditions. Hmmm. I may have to come up with a new way to deal with her.

As the old saying goes, "if you can't kill it, try mating with it". Think of the wonderful undead fishy offspring that Atlantis and Ermor could have! We could raise them on a steady diet of Ulmish proletarians :-)

[Mightypeon]

As a certain pretender can no doubt attest (after that certain pretender has been revived), attempting to digest the elite Black Guards of the Peoples Liberation Army of Ulm can lead to leg athrosis, non regenearting wound syndrome, chronic anal halberd insertion and death.

[Mightypeon]

We of Ermor are simple folk. We are dedicated to the ultimate equality of all creatures, and have found that the penultimate expression of equality is found in death (or rather, undeath). After all, any two shambling zombies are much the same, irrespective off whether one was once a prince and the other a pauper.

The people of Ermor are wise. Death is an appropriate way for the scaleless ones to contribute to the spread of the swamps. To become fertilizer is to participate in the great works of the Barnacle Goose.

After a slight diplomatic hickup, we have some pencil pushers to spare that would make a better job as Fertilizers, would you be interested?

[krpeters]

It seems that the landlubbers have fallen upon each other. It is good to see this; the Rising Water is fed by the blood of the hairy ones. All hail Shurp, Lord of the Rising Water!

[Lung Drago]

I think I am joining the club of people with weird things happening. Just got obliterated in a battle, yet conquered it and ended up with quite a lot of remaining troops :confused:

[momfreeek]

Fishworm you treacherous, 4-faced, snake! Go away from my Castle!

[Anaconda]

The world seems so evil and treachrous - but the giants of the world welcome all with friendship and warmth. why shouldnt we make the world together a clean, well-lighted and friendly place to men and beasts alike?

[FAJ]

I think I am joining the club of people with weird things happening. Just got obliterated in a battle, yet conquered it and ended up with quite a lot of remaining troops :confused:

I had a commander turn into a troops this turn, which was a problem another player had before, I believe.

Also, likely not errors just bad luck; even with zero order and 3 luck, I have only gotten 4 events the last 3 turns... all bad haha

[krpeters]

Fishworm you treacherous, 4-faced, snake! Go away from my Castle!

I should point out that I am a 2-faced snake, exactly the right sort of creature for backstabbing landlubbers. Especially landlubbers with large armies that threaten the minions of the Rising Water.

Fear not all you lesser mortals; those who are weak and do not attract my attention will remain unmolested by my minions. I am patient and can wait for the rains to bring you to me.

[momfreeek]

That is nonsense! I GAVE you that sea to live in and unicorns can't even breath underwater. I'm not talking to you anymore.

Fishworm smells of wee.

Lucy, Goddess of the Lake

[jimbojones1971]

Is it just me, or has Atlantis misplaced the bulk of their army somewhere?

If it helps any Fishworm, when I lose something I frequently find that I've accidentally put it in my sock drawer, or occasionally am wearing it as an impromptu piece of clothing. Either that, or the darned cat has eaten it again*.

Maybe you could try looking in the Atlantean sock drawer to see if your army is hiding there? And I'll check with my cat, to see if he ate them when I wasn't looking (he is rather fond of fish).

Lady Esmeralda, First Consul of Ermor

* One of the down sides of being a Great Enchantress is an obligation under union by-laws to own a cat of supergenius level intelligence and an obsession with world domination and eating important papers

[momfreeek]

Fishnanny was wrong all along! If you cut one smelly fishworm in half you just get 2 dead worms.

HA!

[krpeters]

Wow, that worked spectacularly badly. Note to self: do not send good troops against elite troops.

[FAJ]

Hmm, that insight doesn't bode well for me... D:

[jimbojones1971]

Hmm, that insight doesn't bode well for me... D:

The one about not pitting good troops vs elite troops, or the bit about always remember to look in your sock drawer if you can't find where your Legions of Conquest (tm) have gone? Seriously, it works - at one point I misplaced an entire army of praetorians, and there they were right next to my work socks.

[Mightypeon]

Breakings news from Tartarus!
The Celestial General of Shinuyama and the Worm of Atlantis have sued the Pretender of C`tis for constantly occupying the Tartarian elevator!
In the words of the celestial General of Shinuyama: "Now I have to use the stairs, did you ever try to use the stairs out of Tartarus? Its such a long way up! And I am limping! Thankfully, I found a Black Halberd in my behind which I now use as a crutch..."
Meanwhile, Atlantis Great Worm has a problem of other kinds, with both halves of him now claiming to be the real Pretender! Stay tuned as a civil war of worm half vs. worm half may erupt in Tartarus!

Ulm News, Fair and Heavy!

[momfreeek]

fishworm would have looked awfully silly in a pair of socks.

[krpeters]

I suppose I could wear a sock on each head.

[BewareTheBarnacleGoose]

Breakings news from Tartarus!
The Celestial General of Shinuyama and the Worm of Atlantis have sued the Pretender of C`tis for constantly occupying the Tartarian elevator!
In the words of the celestial General of Shinuyama: "Now I have to use the stairs, did you ever try to use the stairs out of Tartarus? Its such a long way up! And I am limping! Thankfully, I found a Black Halberd in my behind which I now use as a crutch..."
Meanwhile, Atlantis Great Worm has a problem of other kinds, with both halves of him now claiming to be the real Pretender! Stay tuned as a civil war of worm half vs. worm half may erupt in Tartarus!

Ulm News, Fair and Heavy!

Whoa, I've done nothing wrong- I have a V.I.P (very important pretender) pass for that elevator. And I haven't died in at least 3 turns. These dead pretenders complain to much- "ooh, I got a black halberd up me arse", cry me a river. This one time, I got bludgeoned to death by creepy-druid-tentacle-trees; yea, try sitting down after that! So, anyone else want to reminisce about previous deaths....oh wait, you guys cant... because your not all awesome and immortal like me!

[krpeters]

Whaaa???!!!!!!

11335

CBM 1.84 has lost its mind... no wonder his knights chewed through my troops. Two broadsword attacks and two hoof attacks every turn???!!!!

[jimbojones1971]

Protection 17 and defence 17 is quite nice also :-)

[BewareTheBarnacleGoose]

Whaaa???!!!!!!

11335

CBM 1.84 has lost its mind... no wonder his knights chewed through my troops. Two broadsword attacks and two hoof attacks every turn???!!!!


Yea, it's a bug that affects a number of troops in CBM 1.84. I actually posted about it a few weeks ago: http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?t=47746
There is a link to the patched version of CBM in that thread, though we cant fix anything in this game, since we have already started.

[momfreeek]

I'm mostly using unicorn knights which don't seem to have the same bug. I'm happy to stop making those normal knights altogether if they are some sort of cheat.

[krpeters]

Nah, that's ok, this whole land thing wasn't working out for me anyway. I should let the water do my work for me.

[krpeters]

Now this is interesting:

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?t=47550

"I'm taking the very unusual step of changing the mods on the LlamaServer, which means that all players also need to update their copies of the mods."

This might explain some bizarre behavior. If LLamaserver is using the corrected version of the mod, and we're all using the broken version, then our battle replays will show the knights chewing up everything in sight but on the main server the battle will run a bit more fair.

I'm going to check the zip file in that link and see what it does.

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Well, I can confirm that with the replacement 1.84 mod the save file does load. I'll let you know next turn whether Man's knights behave properly (I assume they will attack my troops instead of sitting idly inside their sieged castle)

[jimbojones1971]

From memory, when the replay differs from the server version of the battle, the outcome from the server battle is the one that actually takes effect - is this correct?

[krpeters]

Yes, the battle replay has no game effect. What happened on the server is what is in the saved game file.

[momfreeek]

ah. a lot more of those knights were dead after the battle than seemed to die on the field. I figured that was to do with poison

you can load an earlier turn and rewatch battles kr (assuming you didn't delete the email). turn 15.

seems to work. so we should update our mods ..right?

[Anaconda]

Question indeed!

[Mightypeon]

I have been using the updated mod from the start (and My Black Knights only had one Morning Star per guy ;) ).

[krpeters]

you can load an earlier turn and rewatch battles kr (assuming you didn't delete the email). turn 15.


Oh, I hadn't thought of that, you're right, I can load the turn file from my email.

Yes, that's more the result I was expecting when I read the battle report -- my troops held up well until they decided to rout, then they got chopped up in typical Dom style. I got kinda freaked when I watched the slaughter of the original battle view.

OK, so good troops can hold up to elite troops -- as long as you have enough of them. With morale support :)

[Mightypeon]

It seems that Abysia may stale this turn.

[jimbojones1971]

Quite a brutal turn, looking at the charts. Both Shinuyama and Atlantis have had their armies smashed, and Pangaea also seems to have suffered a reasonable serious setback.

In other news, I have now used Dark Knowledge to search 10 provinces, and have found only one (!) magic site - and this site only produces air and astral, no death gems. Such is life! I will just have to take solace in my boundless hordes of undead, I guess :-D

[Mightypeon]

There was much splatting/bombing/killing near Shinuyama.
A nice little sorcerous artillery duel that was cut a bit short when Shinuyamas Magical Artillery suffered from a severe case of being dead.

[momfreeek]

Fishworm's foolish fishmen frequently flop up to my fabulous fortress.

GO AWAY SILLY FISHMEN!

[FAJ]

Sorry for the Stale. I had a family issue arise (death on my girlfriend's side) and had to leave without notice. Completely forgot about this game. I won't get back to the game until later tonight. I will try to pick up the pieces of my stale from there.

Again, sorry for the missed turn. I know it unbalances the game, especially when someone being invaded stales. I hope Man and C'tis have not taken too many of my provinces!

[BewareTheBarnacleGoose]

Very sorry to hear that, FAJ.

Dont worry about the provinces. I chickened out/ decided that Shinuyama was an easier target. But I'll be back ;)

[jimbojones1971]

From memory you didn't lose any provinces etc at all this turn FAJ, so it seems that fate has favoured you :-)

Are you OK to do this turn on time, or should be petition the mighty overlord of T'ien C'hi for an extensions?

[FAJ]

I will be fine getting turns in on schedule now.

Glad to see it was an uneventful stale!

[momfreeek]

Dear nether horrors, wherever you may be

I don't know what you think you are playing at but please don't interrupt our battles in the future. It was gearing up to be a great fight till you came and chased both sides off the field. Such childish behaviour is not acceptable!

Lucy, Goddess of the lake

[FAJ]

I haven't had a chance to look at the turn, but from the sound of it, I should have scripted less 'call horror' and more 'horror mark'!

Maybe I should just stop using soldiers all together.

[momfreeek]

utter carnage. its quite a spectacle :)

[Lung Drago]

I'd like to salute the honorable, brave and fierce warriors of Shinuyama, the great nation that, alas, came to an unfortunate downfall. The people of T'ien Ch'i recognized their unique and interesting culture and shall forever remember the goblins as people that fought hard against the prejudices about their past or appearance.
Countless Followers of the Way have reportedly appeared out of nowhere in all places in our land to pay their homage to the fallen people. As my own sign of respect and as an expression of feelings of a whole nation, I, the Emperor of T'ien Ch'i, called Two-Spirited for my double-gender personality and Four-Handed for my most striking appearance feature, hereby share with you a song I personally helped to create.
Let it be that this piece of music art continues to carry the honor, strength and very soul of mighty Shinuyama for thousands upon thousands of years. Bakemono of Shinuyama, know that spirits of millions shall be with you in your final charge for your honor.

You shall never be forgotten.

Daichi Moyu, Ballad to the Shinuyama Bakemono (http://youtu.be/eQfsYi-h67I)

[Mightypeon]

Using less Soldiers? Heresy!
This would totally devastate the Peoples Republic of Ulms current 5 year plan, which plans on increasing domestic Popcorn production for export to feed the growing international Scout society.

[Mightypeon]

I'd like to salute the honorable, brave and fierce warriors of Shinuyama, the great nation that, alas, came to an unfortunate downfall. The people of T'ien Ch'i recognized their unique and interesting culture and shall forever remember the goblins as people that fought hard against the prejudices about their past or appearance.
Countless Followers of the Way have reportedly appeared out of nowhere in all places in our land to pay their homage to the fallen people. As my own sign of respect and as an expression of feelings of a whole nation, I, the Emperor of T'ien Ch'i, called Two-Spirited for my double-gender personality and Four-Handed for my most striking appearance feature, hereby share with you a song I personally helped to create.
Let it be that this piece of music art continues to carry the honor, strength and very soul of mighty Shinuyama for thousands upon thousands of years. Bakemono of Shinuyama, know that spirits of millions shall be with you in your final charge for your honor.

You shall never be forgotten.

Daichi Moyu, Ballad to the Shinuyama Bakemono (http://youtu.be/eQfsYi-h67I)

Well, the Peoples Republic of Ulm predicts some rather big Fireworks in or near Shinuyamas capital soon.

[FAJ]

Yeah, probably shouldn't have sent soldiers. The idea was the horrors were to soften you up for proper Axe-recieving. But instead they just killed everybody.

It was a spectacle though.

[krpeters]

I just realized something. I'm going on vacation for a week on Oct 12... I won't have internet/Dominions access then... what's the proper thing to do? Look for a temp sub for the week? Look for a perm sub? Try and get killed before then?

[FAJ]

I am fine with a weeks downtime. We went through roll-backs and bugs; I don't think a couple days is too bad.

[jimbojones1971]

Yeah, I am happy either way. Getting a sub can work well, but pausing is also quite reasonable.

If you want a sub, I might be able to talk CthulhuDreams into it - he's generally a good player, unless you count playing Vanheim, in which case you'd probably be better off just staling as the outcome will be much the same. (But seriously, dude is a ninja - want me to ask him for you?)

[jimbojones1971]

I can't get the hymn to Shinuyama to open from work, I shall have to try it from home. I hope someone remembers to write a hymn for Ermor in the event that we too get horribly murdered!

[BewareTheBarnacleGoose]

I also just remembered vacation plans. I will probably be away for most of next week (the 1st through the 7th). Im not sure of the exact dates yet. It will probably be 3-5 days. Could you talk to CthulhuDreams for me too?

[cool_hc]

I'd like to salute the honorable, brave and fierce warriors of Shinuyama, the great nation that, alas, came to an unfortunate downfall. The people of T'ien Ch'i recognized their unique and interesting culture and shall forever remember the goblins as people that fought hard against the prejudices about their past or appearance.
Countless Followers of the Way have reportedly appeared out of nowhere in all places in our land to pay their homage to the fallen people. As my own sign of respect and as an expression of feelings of a whole nation, I, the Emperor of T'ien Ch'i, called Two-Spirited for my double-gender personality and Four-Handed for my most striking appearance feature, hereby share with you a song I personally helped to create.
Let it be that this piece of music art continues to carry the honor, strength and very soul of mighty Shinuyama for thousands upon thousands of years. Bakemono of Shinuyama, know that spirits of millions shall be with you in your final charge for your honor.

You shall never be forgotten.

Daichi Moyu, Ballad to the Shinuyama Bakemono (http://youtu.be/eQfsYi-h67I)


:cry: *cries* ..so sad...

[momfreeek]

Yeah, probably shouldn't have sent soldiers. The idea was the horrors were to soften you up for proper Axe-recieving. But instead they just killed everybody.my previous stategy of throwing more unicorns at the problem doesn't seem like it'll work, those big horrors are much scarier than i'd anticipated

[Lung Drago]

If I understood correctly we have 2 vacations foreseen, one from 1st to 7th October and the other one starting 12th, right? I won't object if everyone agrees that waiting these days out is OK, but since those vacations are spread out and we have only one player away at a time, I'd think a sub would be a better choice. I could ask a friend of mine to sub someone. He's also a raw rookie like the rest of us. In that case, it's wise to make sure he understands your goals and strategy. My point is that we would postpone total of 14 days for one player at a time.


I hope someone remembers to write a hymn for Ermor in the event that we too get horribly murdered!
Actually, in best case I would like to eventually "compose" a hymn of honor for every nation that loses the race for the ultimate power in this game. Even if I lose this game, I will continue to do so for the next nations. I think it's a nice way to say that you weren't useless or played "lolnubingly", instead you will receive a nice thank you for the game.
My only concern is that it will become rather tricky to do role-play wise for nations I haven't met yet. It's so unimaginative to help myself with the "rumors" thing each time. :cold: I also somewhat count on that I will actually read up someone got defeated here on the forum, as I might not catch that fact in game (my Byakugan does have a distance limit) :re:

[Anaconda]

As far as I understood the vacations wont be whole 7 days straight? Did the first guy say 3-5? And there will be a free-for-all wekk between them vacations so we can catch up pretty well after the first one... I would say lets wait if it really on takes up 5 days. (palying one turn just before taking of and one right after coming back doesnt sound that the delay would be intolerable).

If the players are ok with subs, then let them, btw.

[Mightypeon]

I would also prefer subbing.

[krpeters]

Exact dates are Oct-13th through Oct-18th. If you can get a sub for me, that would be great. Instructions are simple: don't die. That's better than I would have done :)

[krpeters]

Woa, is anyone doing anything about Ermor's zombie hordes? I have some priests that could vaporize them easily if I found them...

[Anaconda]

So whats the deal with Bakemono, is he still with us or did he lift his hands up already? If so, he didnt set on AI and thus is holding us back.

[BewareTheBarnacleGoose]

I'll get back to everyone with my exact dates soon. But as to Shinuyama, Im not sure what happened. Last turn he went on a final rampage in my territory, so I assume that he is going to fight to the last.

[Mightypeon]

He propably will do that. And a final rampage in your territorry has better odds of success than attacked what I have in his Cap.

[Mightypeon]

And here were are,

Ulm News: Fair and Heavy

From the various wars:
Pangea vs. Marignon
After initial advances by Marignon, the Pangeans seem to have reversed their province losses. Pangean forces outnumber Maginons, but much of this will be due to Maenads. Comparing the slopes of both nations army graphs, it seems that this war is still quite undecided.

Ulm + Ermor + Ctiss vs. Shinuyama
The main Army of the Peoples Republic of Ulm has captured both Shinuyaman forts this turn. The Shinuyaman army is now attacking Ctiss, seeking to go out with a victory against the opportunistic Lizards, rather than a last stand against Ulms Wall of Black Steel and Severe Firepower. Ermor grabbed a couple of provinces and has for all intents and purposes ceased to fight Shinuyama. A lack of a Border with the Bakemono is most likely an explanation for this.

Abysia and Atlantis vs. Man + Ctis
Ctis took a province from Abysia, partly due to most of the Fire Kingdoms armies being preoccupied with Man, while Man has seemingly thrown Atlantis back into the sea.

[jimbojones1971]

Woa, is anyone doing anything about Ermor's zombie hordes? I have some priests that could vaporize them easily if I found them...

Bring it on, fish freak! Anyway, looking at the army graph I am struggling to believe you have much of anything left, let alone enough priests to seriously trouble the People's Paradise of Ermor and our Hordes of Content and Peaceful Proletarians (aka zombies).

[BewareTheBarnacleGoose]

Ok, so Im going to be gone from the 2nd - 8th (at latest). I might be back sooner, but let's assume I wont. Sorry I didnt figure this out sooner; it was sort of spontaneous. That doesnt overlap at all with krpeters, so I assume everyone would prefer if we got subs. Lung Drago, could you please ask to your friend for me?

[krpeters]

Anyway, looking at the army graph I am struggling to believe you have much of anything left, let alone enough priests to seriously trouble the People's Paradise of Ermor and our Hordes of Content and Peaceful Proletarians (aka zombies).

I got bored with armies. I have plenty of H3 priests preaching to the fishes that wouldn't mind taking a break and vaporizing your armies!

[Lung Drago]

Ok, so Im going to be gone from the 2nd - 8th (at latest). I might be back sooner, but let's assume I wont. Sorry I didnt figure this out sooner; it was sort of spontaneous. That doesnt overlap at all with krpeters, so I assume everyone would prefer if we got subs. Lung Drago, could you please ask to your friend for me?

Bad news. My friend is apparently full-time occupied by his college next week, so he won't have time to sub next week either. I can ask around more but it might be a good idea to create a sub request thread or ask CthulhuDreams as suggested by jimbojones anyway.

[BewareTheBarnacleGoose]

[QUOTE=Lung Drago;784791
Bad news. My friend is apparently full-time occupied by his college next week, so he won't have time to sub next week either. I can ask around more but it might be a good idea to create a sub request thread or ask CthulhuDreams as suggested by jimbojones anyway.[/QUOTE]

No problem. Jimbojones, do you have contact information for CthulhuDreams? Or does anyone know any other potential subs?

[BewareTheBarnacleGoose]

Err, so Im going away tomorrow, and I haven't found a sub yet. I know this isnt standard practice, but could one of you just play for me? Preferably someone who doesnt have a vested interest in destroying me :)? But honestly, I dont really care. Anything is better than stale-ing for 7 turns. PM me if you want to help!

[Anaconda]

How about just waiting for him?

[jimbojones1971]

I'm asking the question now of CD, if that fails then I am totally game to wait.

[Anaconda]

I got one of my IRL's to submit for a sub. He should be posting here anytime now...

[Musseboy]

Hi,

I can play as substitute. I was asked for this job by Anaconda. I have some experience of the game so I believe I can handle this task. But in order to do my masters bidding I need the following:

1) Link to the map you are playing
2) Link to the Mod
3) Last but not least the guidelines I am to follow during the next couple of turns

p.s. I can play apx 3 turns next week: su-mo/wed-fri/sat

[BewareTheBarnacleGoose]

Hi Musseboy,

Thanks very much! I'll private-message you with the information you need!

P.s. Thanks Anaconda!

[BewareTheBarnacleGoose]

Hmm, it looks like you haven't enabled private messages. Anyway, here is the link to the map:

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?t=45271

And the mod:
http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?t=47746
(This is a bundle of Mods, but you want the fixed version of CBM 1.84)

Can you enable private messages so I can send you instructions? If I get to dont talk to you, then just try not to die :p.

[momfreeek]

3. send Lucy lots of pretty gems

[jimbojones1971]

Anyway, looking at the army graph I am struggling to believe you have much of anything left, let alone enough priests to seriously trouble the People's Paradise of Ermor and our Hordes of Content and Peaceful Proletarians (aka zombies).

I got bored with armies. I have plenty of H3 priests preaching to the fishes that wouldn't mind taking a break and vaporizing your armies!

Armies didn't really suit you anyway. The whole "lets run up on the land and die like beached whales" thing gets old fast.

Tell you what, you bring your fishy priests, I'll bring my undead hordes, and we can get it on in province #23 (C'tis) - how's that work for you? Let's settle this once and for all!!

[Mightypeon]

Ctis pretender is so weak it makes my mages go off script tsssss....

Also, my cunning plan of combining his Pretender, his Capital and a Black Halberd to a "perpetoum Mobile eternally regenerating Curry Shashlik" did not work at all. I blame the 2nd law of Thermodynamics. Stupid reactionary laws of physics, they dare to defy the historical dialectic!

OOC: I love the banter in this thread.

[jimbojones1971]

Marignon is about to stale out again. I suggest we have a short impromptu extension to give us a chance to try and contact him, then set him to AI if we can't (since he seems to be in a world of hurt).

[Anaconda]

I think he just left the game behind.

BTW, the TRN just received from the llamaS is old, several turns...

[FAJ]

What does that mean? The turn I received was current.

[Anaconda]

Say what?

What does that mean? The turn I received was current.

If you got a TRN today, say withing 8 hours, its not a legi TRN.

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?t=47693&page=4

There hasnt been host happening for 24 hours at least

http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=INeedMorePower

However I, also, got one for a reason or another.

There is of course possibility it was an echo of a resend request long lost in time and space. Nut I wasnt the only one, and our game wasnt the only ongoing game encountering this phenomenon.

[Lung Drago]

It seems Squeelch has not logged in these forums for a while. It is unfortunate that he didn't tell a thing, though. Right now I am divided between extending the turn time or, well, counting him out. He does seem pretty much screwed at this point.

[Anaconda]

I would say count him out, but on the other hand I should sustain my self from voting.

However, if some1, preferrably for example Musseboy who is not gonna play with us anymore, would turn him AI the comp would at least do somethin'. At this point he simply is a feast for the predators.

[Lung Drago]

Right now, I am genuinely scared to screw around with the email adresses on llamaserver, since I am dead tired yet again :D So, if Musseboy has nothing against it, Ill set his mail address as Marignons tommorow.

[Musseboy]

Sure, I can turn autopilot on for Marignon. Just send me the trn and I'll see it done tomorrow.

[jimbojones1971]

Sure, I can turn autopilot on for Marignon. Just send me the trn and I'll see it done tomorrow.

Awesome, thanks for doing this :-)

[BewareTheBarnacleGoose]

Hi all! Im back from my trip somewhat earlier than expected. How do I go about resuming control of my dominion?

[Anaconda]

Email should be changed and turn resend requested. I am pretty sure Musseboy should brief you on whats currently hot. What I have heard (mummers, bards etc) its not only hot, its on fire :mean:

[Musseboy]

Marignon is now on autopilot.

[Lung Drago]

And with that, I would like to officially pay my respects to another of my fine neighbours. Not all Masters have accepted the fate of Shinuyama yet and already another grim news of a tragedy struck the land. The humans of Marignon possessed remarkable zeal that resulted in such outstanding morale that even baffled the Imperial Generals. Marignon's faith in their god was unquestionable and their righteous zeal even gained the favor of Heavens itself, a feat that truly rivals the Empire. And yet, as we now learn, faith alone is not enough. However, I'd like to ensure that no one here will ever forget the example of loyalty and zealous determination that Marignon was, and therefore, I present to you:

The Angel's Choir, Celestial Memento to Marignon (http://youtu.be/yy8BZGXCsn8)

I cannot help but be dazzled by works of independent, not-so-known artists, so I hope it is not only me and you will enjoy the music too :)

[Musseboy]

I wonder if I should play and send the .2h file of turn 27. I got the reminder mail of C'tis turn 27, but I understood Barnacle Goose was back in action and the turn was resent for him.

[BewareTheBarnacleGoose]

I havent received the turn, so you might as well play this one for me too. We can try to figure out how to get it to me tomorrow.

[jimbojones1971]

I'm going to PM Lung Drago and suggest an extension, so C'tis doesn't stale out while BewareTheBarnacleGoose works out how to reclaim his nation. Stales are no fun for anyone :-)

Thanks Musseboy for subbing in.

[BewareTheBarnacleGoose]

Ok, I got my turn....almost wish I didnt :shock:! Anyway, thanks for covering for me, Musseboy! And thanks to everybody else for being patient with the technical stuff.

[jimbojones1971]

Hey C'tis, I can see that you had a bear, a moose(!) and a giant spider (!!) in that big battle with Ulm. Where did you recruit those guys from? I now have a hankering to recruit a whole huge wad of Moose and set them on someone :-D

Just to be clear, by "someone" I mean that cowardly wave-hugger Atlantis, and by "set them loose" I mean "kill them and re-animate them as gift-of-reasoned lich-Moose equipped with Crystal Hearts and assorted MR gear". Let's see your priests banish them goodies, fishworm!

[krpeters]

A friendly reminder to all: if your mages are stealthy, you need to hold control while clicking on the adjacent province to move them. Otherwise they sneak into the province and get eaten by the 50pd there who discover them on patrol.

[Mightypeon]

Propably with "Summon Animals" a nature spell. Some weird animals were also present when the Peoples Liberation army of Ulm liberated the Ctissian Slaver Stronghold nearby.

[Lung Drago]

I can see that Abysia staled this turn. If it were to happen again this turn, I'll try to extend it until we know what is happening?

[krpeters]

Speaking of staling, my last turn will be this Wednesday. Any hope for a temp by then? It won't be difficult for him -- just drown anyone stupid enough to be underwater.

[BewareTheBarnacleGoose]

Speaking of staling, my last turn will be this Wednesday. Any hope for a temp by then? It won't be difficult for him -- just drown anyone stupid enough to be underwater.

Coincidentally, C'tis will probably not last beyond Wednesday, so I could sub for you.

[FAJ]

Bah! Sorry!

Played turn 28 and never sent the 2h. Was in a hurry on Friday and didn't check the status again until I got back today.

[momfreeek]

A friendly reminder to all: if your mages are stealthy, you need to hold control while clicking on the adjacent province to move them. Otherwise they sneak into the province and get eaten by the 50pd there who discover them on patrol.yeah, stupid sneaking guys are more trouble than they are worth. its worse when 30 elite wardens hide in the trees watching everyone else get burnt to death >.<

They said it couldn't be done but then they did it! Waterbreathing unicorns! they weren't all they were cracked up to be though :(. -3 attack and defence really messes them up. do your floppy fishmen get penalties on land?

[Mightypeon]

That was a rather interesting battle at Ctiss capital.

The usefullness of reverse communions with the master spamming low fatigue banishments has been noted, and will be utilized should forces attempt to attack Ulmish positions.

The peoples Liberation army has further increased its emphasis on rapid tactical destructions with evocations of Mass destruction as a result.

[momfreeek]

My good bard Eric wrote a nice poem. I think it could have more unicorns in it, but he assures me there were none in sight of the battlefield.

**************

Many, many, many were the hordes.
Many, many, many, many. Lots and lots and lots and lots,
and lots. A darkness to bloath us all and drowb us in the ablast for everlast.
The trees fled fail and stood, the squirrels hope eskated, frozen in terror, defated.

But...

but.. as i uncover my eyes, for surely in Lucy's arms in heaven.. I see lizards!
How could this gaghast odour bumfoul Her Beautifulness's sweet embrace?
A twisted form rising from flame and steaching bog!
Those gangulflexy legs and rockly pustulus.. it could only be.. Spottygoose!

The lizardly stench seems not so gagchurgling, today it plays a merry tune on my snout!

**************

Lucy, Goddess of the Lake.

[Mightypeon]

The union of proletarian Poets urgently urges the merry Manese to cease their Paltry Poetry Productions. Non of those rhymes actually rhymed, nor can mere (non)rhymes compare with awesome alluring alliterations advised at behest of the Peoples Poetry Trainers! Perhaps the Bards of man actually have solely nonpoetic abilities?
We will have the NKVD and KGB investigate!

Lawrentji Berija,
Security Minister (and part time Poet) of the peoples Republic of Ulm

[momfreeek]

Nonsense! my bards assure me that they are the best poets that have ever lived. There only seems to be a dispute over which of them is the best.

[FAJ]

Abysia had bards once. I can write you a prescription to clear that right up.

[krpeters]

Coincidentally, C'tis will probably not last beyond Wednesday, so I could sub for you.

That would work well, yes. So how do I set that up? I probably have to tell the llamaserver to send my turn to you somehow?

Hmmm, I see there is a password request -- is this something only the admin can do?

http://www.llamaserver.net/doAdminAction.cgi?game=INeedMorePower&action=changeemail

[krpeters]

They said it couldn't be done but then they did it! Waterbreathing unicorns! they weren't all they were cracked up to be though :(. -3 attack and defence really messes them up. do your floppy fishmen get penalties on land?

Nope, but it's hard to come up with enough resources underwater to put together any kind of decent invasion force. Atlantis is something of a turtle nation. Although we do get some good surprises :)

[BewareTheBarnacleGoose]

@Momfreeek- that was a beautiful poem. "bumfoul Her Beautifulness's sweet embrace" is pure genius.

@mightypeon- There was actually only one communioned priest, but he did plentiful damage. The real destruction came when the hordes finally got close enough for "wither bones" (6AOE, and no resist!). Of course, since Im bad at estimating distances, I put my mages too far back, and they wasted lots of time and gems going off script. And I managed to microwave all of my slaves, but hey, it felt good to kill almost 800 enemies.

[jimbojones1971]

@Momfreeek- that was a beautiful poem. "bumfoul Her Beautifulness's sweet embrace" is pure genius.

@mightypeon- There was actually only one communioned priest, but he did plentiful damage. The real destruction came when the hordes finally got close enough for "wither bones" (6AOE, and no resist!). Of course, since Im bad at estimating distances, I put my mages too far back, and they wasted lots of time and gems going off script. And I managed to microwave all of my slaves, but hey, it felt good to kill almost 800 enemies.

It was most effective - I am quite impressed by the carnage that you caused :-)

I shall take notes for future use.

Now that C'tis is still hanging in there, shall I try to rally up another sub for Abysia?

[BewareTheBarnacleGoose]

It was most effective - I am quite impressed by the carnage that you caused :-)

I shall take notes for future use.

Now that C'tis is still hanging in there, shall I try to rally up another sub for Abysia?

I had volunteered to sub for Atlantis; does Abysia need a sub too? At any rate, I think I can still manage to sub. Im still in negative upkeep, and running out of gems, so it's only a matter of time. That said, I would rather not sub for more than one person.

[jimbojones1971]

Sorry, my bad - it was Atlantis.

The only issue with you subbing for Atlantis is that you guys will get bitten by the Dom3 copy protection. If more than one nation shares the same licence key, it begins to do very nasty things to you.

[BewareTheBarnacleGoose]

Oh no! What kinds of nasty things?

[jimbojones1971]

I think the below is what happens (haven't seen it myself) - you certainly wouldn't want to have it happen to you!

"Q: My Dominions screen goes blank when I play, all I can see is the map, but none of the user interface components. How can I get it to work?
This means either one of two things:
1) Your Dominions installation has been corrupted. Reinstall the game, enter the product key that came with your manual and see what happens. If the problem persists, contact Shrapnel technical support. Do NOT ask around the forums.

2) If you do not have a manual with the product key and you have this problem, you are using a pirated version of Dominions and what you have just encountered is the copy protection. Contact Shrapnel to purchase a legal copy of Dominions 3. Reinstalling the game is not going to solve your problem."

[FAJ]

Lose manual; become pirate.

[Lung Drago]

Yes, only I can change the email address to which llamaserver passes turns. Also I have no way (or at least I did not found where it is) of knowing the current address the email is sent to, which means once I will want to set you back once you return, I will have to ask your email too (send a PM). That's exactly what slowed Spottygoose (damn, that nickname is contagious!) by one turn :cold:

Regarding the copy protection, I think as long as you do not send a C'tis and Atlantis turn at the same time (with the same product key) it shouldn't fire off. If you would do that, I think it would invalidate both turns and simply not do the orders (meaning a stale).

If Shinuyama is still around here, he's a candidate for a sub as well. By the way, I was quite amazed how long he actually survived (and his annoying raiding at south considerably contributed to C'tis's current bad position, I think). Talk about a successful final charge.

[Mightypeon]

Actually, if 1 legit CD key is used twice in a game, what happens is that one of the turns wont get processed.
The dissappearing interface happens with wrong CD keys (happened with me because I mistyped it), and no amount of simultaneous playing will change wether your CD key is valid or not.
What you could do (even though I do not know if this is breaking forum rules), is to backup your key file, change 1 number of the cd key and play the other turn with the slightly different key while playing your turn with the correct one.
When I was playing with a CD key that had a single number error, the copy protection occured only rarely.

[jimbojones1971]

I've found a sub for Atlantis (Tzarin) - I'll PM his email address to you Lung Drago, then help him get the map and any mods so that he's good to play.

[BewareTheBarnacleGoose]

That all sounds pretty bad. Maybe it would be better if Jimbojones's friend subbed for Atlantis instead.

[jimbojones1971]

I've sent his details to Lung Drago, so hopefully that is all sorted.

[krpeters]

Looking at the quantity of Tien Chi's armies about to stomp me, I probably won't need a sub for very long.

[Lung Drago]

I changed the email address and requested a resend so that the sub can see the situation (even though krpeters sent his turn). The map and mods and such are sorted, I take it?

[Anaconda]

It seems Pangaea is going to stall? Postpone for 12H or something?

[jimbojones1971]

Too late. Maybe his spirit was shattered on the strong gates and high walls of Marignon?

[Lung Drago]

Pangaea, Y U NO send turn?

But seriously, I can't exactly do anything about someone who is about to stall during that particular time of a work day :( At least the current turn is more time manageable for me, so I will act if it was to repeat :)
Marignon seems dug in with it's pretender and summons at it's capital. But hey, fighting those Fall Bears during a fall is of course not the brightest thing around so Pangaea might aswell be making a wise stall :eek:

But all this will become meaningless instantly if C'tis actually pushes his enemies back. Has anyone seen my jaw? At this rate, even if he fails I will be thinking about using soundtrack from 300:Battle of Thermopylae as a departure music :shock:

[jimbojones1971]

But all this will become meaningless instantly if C'tis actually pushes his enemies back. Has anyone seen my jaw? At this rate, even if he fails I will be thinking about using soundtrack from 300:Battle of Thermopylae as a departure music :shock:
Very good :-D

[BewareTheBarnacleGoose]

But all this will become meaningless instantly if C'tis actually pushes his enemies back. Has anyone seen my jaw? At this rate, even if he fails I will be thinking about using soundtrack from 300:Battle of Thermopylae as a departure music :shock:

Lol, thanks Lung Drago. I'll try to have a last stand worthy of a spartan send-off!

[Mightypeon]

He, the awnser of the peoples Republic to siege defenses are suitably oversized Artillery Concentrations.

[Anaconda]

Any1 got an idea where Pangaea dissapeared?


My scouts infiltrating Marignon's last line of defence tell me Marignon's troops have been able to throw Pangaea out twice already, but ofcourse they dont stand a chance in long run anyways, so could it be possible Pangaea got demoralized or lost his temper?

[Lung Drago]

I hope morale is not the problem. Europa Universalis 3 taught me that morale restores itself at the start of each month! What do we do?[/joking]

I already did an extension and it ended up at a bad time now, so I am going to extend it for another 12 hours and hope we get some news from the Wild People 'till that. It would be kinda stupid if we moved on when Pangaea is standing mighty but then again it would be stupid too if we were sitting ducks for days when we commissioned a sub for Atlantis :doh:

[Mightypeon]

I think some delays are ok, but they are not at war with a player and could likely eat a stale without much troubles.

[jimbojones1971]

How bad is Pangaea's position, does anyone have a good feel for it? (e.g. should we bother with getting a sub, or just flick them to AI if they are not back before the turn is due to host).

I'm very happy with delays for people who let us know what is happening, but when they just disappear for a couple of turns in a row typically it means they have abandoned the game in my experience (like Sqeelch did with Marignon).

[Anaconda]

Pangaea should have a solid stance, maybe a little bit delayed tho, because of the long strife with Marignon. He was pushed back to his capital and hes been build everything up from the scratch again.

[Anaconda]

hey new turn, whats up?

[jimbojones1971]

Pan is back - yay! :-)

[FAJ]

Abysia needs turn to be postponed until Monday morning, please!

[Lung Drago]

Abysia needs turn to be postponed until Monday morning, please!

Your wish has been granted (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tx4Ud9IIJ4E).

[jimbojones1971]

Your wish has been granted.

The one where Fishworm does that slow s*xy dance dressed only in a skin-tight pink tutu and then makes mad passionate love to Lucy?

Oh wait, that's a fantasy, rather than a wish per se. How embarrassing :o

[Lung Drago]

Poor Marignon. Pangaea is angry :D

[jimbojones1971]

Sorry for the stale guys, forgot to send my turn file in :-(

[FAJ]

Can we increase the turn timer? It would make staling less likely over the weekend for me, at least :D

[Lung Drago]

Can we increase the turn timer? It would make staling less likely over the weekend for me, at least :D

I got exactly the same idea when I saw those 2 stales. All right, I am changing the hosting interval +1 day ;)

[Mightypeon]

Turn 35 or so is a good time for that anyway.