Morla MA noob game (running)

[Olm]

Man jumped in "to defend Ermor" because they were big and their opponents were occupied. The fact that there are paragraphs of of Man rooting for Ermor's destruction (back when Ermor was big and Man was not) makes Man's continually restated casus belli so much hypocracy and hot air.

We of T'ien Ch'i have never condemned Ermor for their actions. Heck, we don't even condemn Man for their actions, we just can't stomach the rhetoric being used to justify it. Man, if you are going to invade Jotunheim and T'ien Ch'i because we are adjacent, pre-occupied and weaker than you, don't dress it up as some humanitarian effort to save the poor, beleaguered skeletons of Ermor.

We of T'ien Ch'i want our end to come openly and if our opponent can't or won't deign to engage in open discourse then we will have no compunctions in airing dirty laundry or condemning them through diplomatic channels. At this point, all we have are words, spite and a trio of forts (one of which is under siege).

We never told We do this out of humanity.
Ulm will remember Our short discussion of this.
We told him Jotun is getting too strong, and asked what we should do against it.
His proposal was seizing Ermorian provinces as long as it was still possible.
We had our doubts, would have preferred to aid Ermor with money, gems and diplomacy. Next turn Ermor declared its own death and we tried to scavenge from their remains what we could. TC and Jotun viciously defended their prey diplomatically. When Ermor showed vital signs again, We corrected Our mistake and opted for assistance of Ermor. That was the only moment when We changed the course of Our actions drastically.
We never said this was out of humanity, it is an action to contain Jotun expansion. In all this T'ien Ch'i didn't play a big role in our calculations, as We, no offense, just don't see them as a threat.

All told, Man has never broken it's word, and that is more than there is to say of T'ien Ch'i:

Quote:Originally Posted by triqui

Jotun and TC made a treaty with me about borders. They planned to attack me. Tien chi told me Jotun had a plan against me. He offered to join me and betray Jotun for 400g. I paid, and in the next turn both attacked me. I felt wronged by TC. I paid for something, and I got cheated.

[Olm]

Interesting diplomatic talk.

The nation of Ulm, declares the NAP-3 between Man-Ulm finished.

The intentions from man aren´t clear, and it seems Man is going for the win.

Man you have 3 months to stop your invasion of T'ien Ch'i, and let that T'ien Ch'i and Ermor fix their own situation. If not YOU and I will be enemies.

Well, We thought our long friendship would account for more, than the sweet cheaptalking from the ruler of some backwood wannabe empire.
We do not take well to threats, but in appreciation of our friendship we will think about it and inform you in due time.

[SpaceViking21]

Well, We thought our long friendship would account for more, than the sweet cheaptalking from the ruler of some backwood wannabe empire.

I'm sure T'ien thought similarly.

[shatner]

Well, We thought our long friendship would account for more, than the sweet cheaptalking from the ruler of some backwood wannabe empire.

Ad hominem, much? It is true that we of T'ien Ch'i are small, weak and likely not long for this world. However, our decline is not because of some moral deficiency, nor is our talk any "cheaper" because of our low province-count.

We fell so low because we joined up against the preeminent power of the time, shouldering the majority of the cost, loss and risk of hobbling Ermor, while Man was off fighting a far lesser foe and biding their time. We would have risen back up but we were ultimately denied the fruits of our labor by Man's intervention.

There are only two things that went wrong for T'ien Ch'i: Ermor fighting the good fight all the way down and Man jumping up and down on us after the fact. We are backwater because of you so we find your indictment somewhat silly.

[triqui]

Well, We thought our long friendship would account for more, than the sweet cheaptalking from the ruler of some backwood wannabe empire.

I'm sure T'ien thought similarly.

HEY! I was a real empire. Once upon a time. :rolleyes:

[SpaceViking21]

Well, We thought our long friendship would account for more, than the sweet cheaptalking from the ruler of some backwood wannabe empire.

I'm sure T'ien thought similarly.

HEY! I was a real empire. Once upon a time. :rolleyes:

I was more talking about Man, but I guess that works for you as well.

[triqui]

I'm sure T'ien thought similarly.

HEY! I was a real empire. Once upon a time. :rolleyes:

I was more talking about Man, but I guess that works for you as well.

Oh, I thought you meant when I was crying for help like a baby. Bassically what Tien Chi is doing now :p.

I don't get all the fuss about this :confused:. It's obvious that T'Chi is going to try anything to convince Ulm to attack Man, for the same reasons I tried everything I could to get Man involved in the war too. And Ulm will enter in the war (or not), when he finds it suitable to his own interests, using Tien Chi as an excuse of cassus belli. But the real reason to attack Man (or not doing so) would be his chances to win the game doing so. Exactly like Man did with my ask. Which is exactly what I would had done if I were in Ulm's (or Man's) position. And I suspect Tien Chi (or anyone else) would do the same too. Everything else is hypcr... err... diplomacy I mean.

[SpaceViking21]

Oh, I thought you meant when I was crying for help like a baby. Bassically what Tien Chi is doing now :p.

I don't get all the fuss about this :confused:. It's obvious that T'Chi is going to try anything to convince Ulm to attack Man, for the same reasons I tried everything I could to get Man involved in the war too. And Ulm will enter in the war (or not), when he finds it suitable to his own interests, using Tien Chi as an excuse of cassus belli. But the real reason to attack Man (or not doing so) would be his chances to win the game doing so. Exactly like Man did with my ask. Which is exactly what I would had done if I were in Ulm's (or Man's) position. And I suspect Tien Chi (or anyone else) would do the same too. Everything else is hypcr... err... diplomacy I mean.

Of course, all diplomacy in Dominions 3 is a farce. We're just busting Man because he's only giving the barest lip service to a coherent casus belli and (to me at least) sounds like he's putting lipstick on a landgrab rather than putting together a reasonable foreign policy.

To put it another way, everyone in Dominions 3 is after one thing. To win. Therefore, the worst possible thing you can do is make it look like you're going for the win now. You want to dress up your intentions and slowly work until you can't be stopped any more, rather than put all your chips on the table and make yourself the guy to beat. Had Man stuck to one gun (Limiting me or the stability of Ermor), any diplomacy myself or Tien tried would be our word vs theirs, at least as far as trying to start a bigger war. However, using both makes him seem duplicitous, like he's already decided what he's going to do and now he's just putting a dress on it for a night on the town, especially when the results of both actions are basically the same (taking my land on the island, or taking my land on the island and going further). It's hard to make yourself seem trustworthy when your actions aren't consistent with your words, and are instead consistent with the ultimate goal.

tl;dr version: Diplomacy in this game is ultimately a joke, but not playing the game at all, or playing it badly can be viewed as a threat.

[shatner]

Here here! Well said.

[triqui]

Oh, I thought you meant when I was crying for help like a baby. Bassically what Tien Chi is doing now :p.

I don't get all the fuss about this :confused:. It's obvious that T'Chi is going to try anything to convince Ulm to attack Man, for the same reasons I tried everything I could to get Man involved in the war too. And Ulm will enter in the war (or not), when he finds it suitable to his own interests, using Tien Chi as an excuse of cassus belli. But the real reason to attack Man (or not doing so) would be his chances to win the game doing so. Exactly like Man did with my ask. Which is exactly what I would had done if I were in Ulm's (or Man's) position. And I suspect Tien Chi (or anyone else) would do the same too. Everything else is hypcr... err... diplomacy I mean.

Of course, all diplomacy in Dominions 3 is a farce. We're just busting Man because he's only giving the barest lip service to a coherent casus belli and (to me at least) sounds like he's putting lipstick on a landgrab rather than putting together a reasonable foreign policy.

To put it another way, everyone in Dominions 3 is after one thing. To win. Therefore, the worst possible thing you can do is make it look like you're going for the win now. You want to dress up your intentions and slowly work until you can't be stopped any more, rather than put all your chips on the table and make yourself the guy to beat. Had Man stuck to one gun (Limiting me or the stability of Ermor), any diplomacy myself or Tien tried would be our word vs theirs, at least as far as trying to start a bigger war. However, using both makes him seem duplicitous, like he's already decided what he's going to do and now he's just putting a dress on it for a night on the town, especially when the results of both actions are basically the same (taking my land on the island, or taking my land on the island and going further). It's hard to make yourself seem trustworthy when your actions aren't consistent with your words, and are instead consistent with the ultimate goal.

tl;dr version: Diplomacy in this game is ultimately a joke, but not playing the game at all, or playing it badly can be viewed as a threat.

Well, maybe Man casus belli is doubtious. Fine, I'll accept that. So what? Ulm is not going to attack (or not to attack) Man based on his cassus belli. He is going to attack him if he feels doing so increase his chances to win. If he feels his chances to win are increased by waiting (to get X research, to see if you and Tien Chi attrition Man, or maybe to conquer Pythium first), he will wait. And his own farce of a casus belli is also stupid, in my humble opinion.

When he said "if Man's intentions are to stabilize Ermor we won't intervene", I almost laughed. If he care about Ermor future, he could act himself. He didn't, becouse he couldn't care less. He cares, as everybody does (and as everybody should), about his own goals.

Trying to represent otherwise is part of the farce, which we all play. It's a role we play, in this hypocresy game we call diplomacy. Which is fine, is a nice and fun aspect of the game, which I'm learning and enjoying (my previous MP game, with my friends, have different diplomacy, becouse we know each other, and often we play by groups, in two bands). But sometimes I find a little bit hilarious all this comedy, this talk about friendship, and all of that. Ulm will attack Man when he feels it will work. Be it in three turns, or twenty.


Everybody tries to achieve his goals. Mine is seeing Jotunheim and Tien Chi defeated before Ermor. Tien Chi goal seems to be hurting Man as much as he can. Man and Ulm should go for ultimate victory. And you and Pythium would try to ride the wave and wait for a chance, which currently don't have. Simulating anything else is just part of the show.

[Olm]

Of course, all diplomacy in Dominions 3 is a farce. We're just busting Man because he's only giving the barest lip service to a coherent casus belli and (to me at least) sounds like he's putting lipstick on a landgrab rather than putting together a reasonable foreign policy.

To put it another way, everyone in Dominions 3 is after one thing. To win. Therefore, the worst possible thing you can do is make it look like you're going for the win now. You want to dress up your intentions and slowly work until you can't be stopped any more, rather than put all your chips on the table and make yourself the guy to beat. Had Man stuck to one gun (Limiting me or the stability of Ermor), any diplomacy myself or Tien tried would be our word vs theirs, at least as far as trying to start a bigger war. However, using both makes him seem duplicitous, like he's already decided what he's going to do and now he's just putting a dress on it for a night on the town, especially when the results of both actions are basically the same (taking my land on the island, or taking my land on the island and going further). It's hard to make yourself seem trustworthy when your actions aren't consistent with your words, and are instead consistent with the ultimate goal.

tl;dr version: Diplomacy in this game is ultimately a joke, but not playing the game at all, or playing it badly can be viewed as a threat.

I like this diplomatic hassle.
And I have to say I admire how well TC plays that game of diplomacy and how he can talk a blue sky green. I'd never be able to do it on that level, even in my own language.

As for my bad diplomacy: It gave me all I wanted: options. This turn I had all options for this game on my table, and it was my decision, which of them to chose.
Morla will probably tell you about my choice soon :)

One more thing: For me there is one thing much more important than victory, and that is: having fun! Sometimes even fun as defined in another great game: Fun (http://df.magmawiki.com/index.php/Fun)

[Olm]

We announce that the nation of Man has been attacked without any provocation by Pythium.
Three of Our provinces have been seized by Pythium raiding forces. So as of now the nation of Man is at war with Pythium out of Pythiums own choice.

[shatner]

We're holding a celebratory dinner in the halls of T'ien Ch'i. The sake will flow freely tonight.

[Olm]

We're holding a celebratory dinner in the halls of T'ien Ch'i. The sake will flow freely tonight.

Whatever happens, you will not see the day of Avalons destruction.

[shatner]

Maybe not but you still got a lot of fort to dig through before we're well and truly dead. Also, we would have sworn the same thing about Ermor just a couple of months ago...

[Olm]

Maybe not but you still got a lot of fort to dig through before we're well and truly dead. Also, we would have sworn the same thing about Ermor just a couple of months ago...

Yes, rest assured We are working on plans for that fort.
The difference to Ermor is: There is just noone left who could turn the tide for you. I am at war with everyone, or will be when the NAP with Ulm expires in one months time.

[Olm]

The server shows my file as being received, though I didn't send one.
Morla, it would be nice if you could turn off quickhost until I tell here that I sent in a correct one.

[Immaculate]

Olm; anyone who doesn't go to war with you has basically decided to not contest your victory- tallest tree getting cut first and all that right?

[Olm]

Olm; anyone who doesn't go to war with you has basically decided to not contest your victory- tallest tree getting cut first and all that right?

Well I basically elaborated on your options in the PM.
You made your decision and I can perfectly understand it.

I made my decision too. I could have had a shared victory with Ulm. But that would have been a dull end to a great game. I opted for the fun of a world war with dubious chances for victory.

I will have to live with the consequences of my decision, as do you. But I hope we have fun on the way :)

[Immaculate]

exactly- and to be honest i was getting bored. fighting machaka was so long ago.

edit; but yeah- this should be more fun for me for sure.

[Morla]

The server shows my file as being received, though I didn't send one.
Morla, it would be nice if you could turn off quickhost until I tell here that I sent in a correct one.


OK, let me know if you need an extension.

[Olm]

You can switch quickhost on again, my file seems to have been deleted.
I'd like an extension for 24 hours, don't know if I need it, but I can't guarantee I get ready today.
Could we perhaps extend hosting interval to 36 hours? I am fighting many fronts and my time schedule is rather tight with a job, building a house and 3 children....

[Immaculate]

you really need to prioritize olm- may i suggest abandoning your children?

[Morla]

OK, i´ll extend this turn 24h, the hosting interval is 48h i´ll extend it to 56h.

[Morla]

I have interet problems, i waited to send my turn just in case anyone had problems, and now i am the one who is unable to send my turn, i should buy a laptop. I´ll try to fix my conexion an send my turn as soon as posible. 12h extension.

[Olm]

I declare the nation of Ulm to be oathbreakers!
They canceled our NAP-3 before turn 40.
Now, in turn 42 we are attacked on all fronts by ulmish forces!
This is clearly a violation of our treaty, and we would not have expected something like that by our former friends!

[Morla]

I declare the nation of Ulm to be oathbreakers!
They canceled our NAP-3 before turn 40.
Now, in turn 42 we are attacked on all fronts by ulmish forces!
This is clearly a violation of our treaty, and we would not have expected something like that by our former friends!

:eek:****:doh:, our NAP ends in turn 42, so i make my move. Wait, i am noob:bug:, if i break a NAP-3 in turn 10 then i should wait to turn 13 to send my troops?.

Ahhhhhh, what a shame¡¡¡¡.

[SpaceViking21]

That is something that's kind of complicated to figure out. Moreso if it was not done through the message system.

For example, if he broke it during turn 39, on the forum, do you count 39 as one of the turns? It's hard to say, especially since you could argue that they had three turns of reaction (39, 40, 41).

[Olm]

I understand it that after you announce it you may not attack for 3 turns.
So if it is declared before turn 40, 40,41 and 42 are the turns you may not attack. If you cancel ingame with a message arriving with turn 39 you still may not attack on turn 40,41 and 42. Thats how I would understand it. In both cases turn 39 is over, I couldn't change anything in that turn. Even so you could wait until only your turn is missing. Then cancel the NAP in the Forum and immediately send in the turn, that would cut reaction time to two turns with a quite dirty trick. I would still call that breaking of a treaty.

[triqui]

The easiest way is to be clear and say so.

For example "I break our NAP. We are free to attack each other in turn X".

some people send the message in, say, turn 10, and count that turn as one of the 3 turns. Others say that a NAP 3 broken in turn 10, means you can attack free in turn 13, and others say it means you can attack free in turn 14+ (counting 13 as part of NAP-3).

[Olm]

:eek:****:doh:, our NAP ends in turn 42, so i make my move. Wait, i am noob:bug:, if i break a NAP-3 in turn 10 then i should wait to turn 13 to send my troops?.

Ahhhhhh, what a shame¡¡¡¡.

I have to analyse that ill fated battle in depth, but my troops were not completely scripted for your attack.
And not all parts of the puzzle were into place.
I would not bet I had won, but your casualties would have been way higher!

Perhaps even the fort would have been mine by then!

[Morla]

. Then cancel the NAP in the Forum and immediately send in the turn, that would cut reaction time to two turns with a quite dirty trick. I would still call that breaking of a treaty.


WoW, i used that dirty trick without knowing, i break the nap unintended.

[shatner]

When sending NAP ending messages through the in-game chat, there is no ambiguity. You send the message on turn 9, they get it on turn 10 and have all of turns 10, 11 and 12 to prepare. Turn 13 is when the two of you can clash.

When sending messages via PM or through the forum, my approach is to check llamaserver and see if the person has submitted their turn yet. If they have or if the turn hosts really soon, then assume they won't react to your information this turn (notify on turn 9 but don't attack until 13 because the notification wasn't really noticed before turn 10). If, however, you notify them while there is still plenty of time for them to react and they haven't submitted their turn yet, then you can count that turn as the start of your countdown (notify on turn 9, they have 9, 10 and 11 to prepare, fight on turn 12).

As triqui said, you can be extra sure there is no miscommunication by being explicit about what turn you're entitled to attack them.

[shatner]

Attention everyone. Let it be known that T'ien Ch'i offers to forge, for no mark-up, anything it can that is requested of it from anyone currently at war with Man. After all, about the only thing we have left are a whole bunch of mages and a lab or two. Now, we have crap for gems left at this point so we can't actually forge anything for free, you'll have to provide us the gems, but send us those gems and the smiths of T'ien Ch'i will forge away. We have a great diversity of magics at our disposal though our construction knowledge is only middling (construction-4... that might change in the next couple of turns, though).

Even if it's something that you would normally forge for yourself, if you don't need it urgently, let us do it for you. That way your mages can be researching or fighting against Man instead. PM us with your requests and we will do our darnedest to fulfill them.

Do it now... while we're still alive.
- T'ien Ch'i

[Olm]

So Ulm talks about unintentionally breaking our NAP. About the shame it means to them, and that they don't want to be called oathbreakers.

But their actions speak a different language. The ashamed ulmish armies have taken 3 provinces and a fortress from the former friends they betrayed.

We don't expect any of our adversaries to give a second thought on this. But We promise that the nation of Man will not forget!

Revenge for Saran Forest!!!

[Immaculate]

If anyone has good intel on some soft interior 'Man' provinces, please PM us so we can send our next round of raiders.

[Morla]

So Ulm talks about unintentionally breaking our NAP. About the shame it means to them, and that they don't want to be called oathbreakers.

But their actions speak a different language. The ashamed ulmish armies have taken 3 provinces and a fortress from the former friends they betrayed.

We don't expect any of our adversaries to give a second thought on this. But We promise that the nation of Man will not forget!

Revenge for Saran Forest!!!

The war started, 3 turns passed since NAP-3 was broken, the error was that i believed our NAP ended in the turn i started the ofensive, due to break the nap just before send my turn being me the last nation. I know it´s a dirty trick, i had learned that when i break a NAP i will specify the turn when the NAP ends, just to avoid confusion.

[Olm]

So Ulm talks about unintentionally breaking our NAP. About the shame it means to them, and that they don't want to be called oathbreakers.

But their actions speak a different language. The ashamed ulmish armies have taken 3 provinces and a fortress from the former friends they betrayed.

We don't expect any of our adversaries to give a second thought on this. But We promise that the nation of Man will not forget!

Revenge for Saran Forest!!!

The war started, 3 turns passed since NAP-3 was broken, the error was that i believed our NAP ended in the turn i started the ofensive, due to break the nap just before send my turn being me the last nation. I know it´s a dirty trick, i had learned that when i break a NAP i will specify the turn when the NAP ends, just to avoid confusion.

It was canceled before turn 40.
So the three turns should have been 40, 41 and 42.
You attacked in 42.

[Olm]

btw. I did so few intel on you, that I just now found your home province.
Quite interesting location.

[Immaculate]

Once Ti'en Ch'i is down and goes AI, Shatner is going to take over Pythium. I enjoy dominions but this game is sort of boring (no one's fault but my own) and he's eager to take the reins.


So Morla, when Shatner sends you his e-mail address, can you send him the game turns. Hopefully at the same time shatner will set Ti'en ch'i to AI.

[shatner]

I wanted to confirm that Immaculate asked me to take over Pythium from him and I agreed to. As much as I have enjoyed all the roleplaying I've gotten to do as T'ien Ch'i, I'm eager to get more experience with MA Pythium (I'm trying the nation out for the first time in another MP game and enjoying it). I'm going to use this turn to get my affairs in order and next turn will be me going AI. As a result, please don't send any further forging requests since I doubt the AI will honor them. Fortunately I was able to get through all the ones I received (just barely) and will be sending those items out this turn.

On that note, how exactly to I set my nation as AI? I've never done it before and I don't see any intuitively obvious options in the game or in llamaserver.

[Olm]

It IS rather intuitive

->options->become computer controlled
:)

I will miss you as TC player.

Btw: It's nice that all my whining showed some effect after all. But you needn't have staled completely, Morla.
I'll stop the whining now and start the beating.

[Morla]

XDD, i extened the game but llamserver didn´t. Strange bug that happened in MorlaEAnoob. I had just arrived home with the stale surprise.

[Immaculate]

edit- confused

[Morla]

For shatner to took over Pythum i have to change the email adress. Shatner i need you to PM me your email.

[Immaculate]

Shatner can´t play both nations at the same time, he will set Tien chi AI this turn, and take over pythum the next. If you don´t mind playing this lust turn, just to avoid a stale turn. THX, and pm me if you are sending the turn file.

okay- i will send a turn file for this turn.

[shatner]

Shatner can´t play both nations at the same time, he will set Tien chi AI this turn, and take over pythum the next. If you don´t mind playing this lust turn, just to avoid a stale turn. THX, and pm me if you are sending the turn file.

okay- i will send a turn file for this turn.

Hold on, I think we might be doing this wrong. This turn (turn 44) should play like any normal turn: I play T'ien Ch'i and Immactulate plays Pythium (I'm using this turn to send out requested forged items and dispensing my remaining wealth to my allies).

Next turn (turn 45) I will set T'ien Ch'i as AI. Having done so, will I also be able to play Pythium's turn 45? If not then Immaculate (or someone other than me) will have to play yet another turn.

There is another option, I think. If I gave Morla a different email address than the one I'm playing T'ien Ch'i as, then Morla can set that one to send and receive Pythium's turns. Then I can simultaneously play T'ien Ch'i and Pythium this turn and the next. By the start of turn 46 T'ien Ch'i will have been retired, Pythium can be changed over to my primary email address and then I will be in charge of 1 and only 1 nation once more. Would that work?

[Morla]

Hold on, I think we might be doing this wrong. This turn (turn 44) should play like any normal turn: I play T'ien Ch'i and Immactulate plays Pythium (I'm using this turn to send out requested forged items and dispensing my remaining wealth to my allies).

Next turn (turn 45) I will set T'ien Ch'i as AI. Having done so, will I also be able to play Pythium's turn 45? If not then Immaculate (or someone other than me) will have to play yet another turn.

There is another option, I think. If I gave Morla a different email address than the one I'm playing T'ien Ch'i as, then Morla can set that one to send and receive Pythium's turns. Then I can simultaneously play T'ien Ch'i and Pythium this turn and the next. By the start of turn 46 T'ien Ch'i will have been retired, Pythium can be changed over to my primary email address and then I will be in charge of 1 and only 1 nation once more. Would that work?

Even with different emails, the problem is the cd-key. I think Immaculate have to play one more turn. When both of you are ready for the change just PM me.

[shatner]

Will do.

[triqui]

Hold on, I think we might be doing this wrong. This turn (turn 44) should play like any normal turn: I play T'ien Ch'i and Immactulate plays Pythium (I'm using this turn to send out requested forged items and dispensing my remaining wealth to my allies).

Next turn (turn 45) I will set T'ien Ch'i as AI. Having done so, will I also be able to play Pythium's turn 45? If not then Immaculate (or someone other than me) will have to play yet another turn.

There is another option, I think. If I gave Morla a different email address than the one I'm playing T'ien Ch'i as, then Morla can set that one to send and receive Pythium's turns. Then I can simultaneously play T'ien Ch'i and Pythium this turn and the next. By the start of turn 46 T'ien Ch'i will have been retired, Pythium can be changed over to my primary email address and then I will be in charge of 1 and only 1 nation once more. Would that work?

Even with different emails, the problem is the cd-key. I think Immaculate have to play one more turn. When both of you are ready for the change just PM me.
This is right. Shatner can't play both turns at the same time, unless he has access to 2 different dominions (he could do, if he make one of the turns in his own computer, and the other turn in one of a friend)

[Immaculate]

K- i played last turn and got a turn file for this? did you go AI last turn Shatner? If so, you should be able to play this file right?

[shatner]

I did not go AI last turn because last turn was me giving away all of my non-gold resources. This turn I will go AI, which means you'll have to play this turn as well but it will honestly, truly and really be the last turn you'll have to play. After we both submit our turns, Morla can set my email address to be the one used for Pythium and I can take over from there.

That said, if you could forward me your .trn file as well as your .2h file for this turn (like you did last turn) I'd appreciate it as it'd give me some time to get to know more about the situation I'm being dropped into.

[Immaculate]

k- will do.

[Olm]

Hi,
Can we please extend the turn by 24 hours?

And btw: Thanks to T'ien Ch'i for the 5 Earth Gems

[shatner]

And btw: Thanks to T'ien Ch'i for the 5 Earth Gems

A parting gift. It means we'll bury you.

[Morla]

Done. But beware, the turn i staled i also extended the game.

Edit: i did extend the game but the timer shows no extension.
it shows the same time:
-Next turn due: 05:35 GMT on Saturday December 17th, instead of
05:35 GMT on Sunday December 18th. And if you see the admin log the extension was made.

[Morla]

Fixed, i just had to insist.

Next turn due: 05:35 GMT on Sunday December 18th

[Immaculate]

Shatner, Morla:
i've submitted my last turn- please feel free to change the e-mail associated with Pythium to Shatner's.

[shatner]

And I've submitted my turn so we should be good to do the switch.

[Morla]

Ok, if you don´t mind i will wait for the next turn, and when i change the email shatner just ask for a "request turn resend".

[shatner]

Will do.

[Olm]

And btw: Thanks to T'ien Ch'i for the 5 Earth Gems

A parting gift. It means we'll bury you.

"Mr. shatner said we will bury you I don't subscribe to this point of view."

la.....la.la

[shatner]

Except that there has been nothing "cold" about the wars going on in this game.

[Olm]

Except that there has been nothing "cold" about the wars going on in this game.

You did not fight against Jotunheim :)

[Immaculate]

Morla: i don't think the e-mails have been switched. I think you have shatner's e-mail?

Shatner: i sent you last turn's recieved and submitted files and this turn's recieved file- check your e-mail.

I.

[shatner]

I got the turn you sent me. Thanks.

I thought my email had been set and I wanted a resend for my own clerical reasons (I am in multiple MP games and those emails help me keep track of the turns I have and haven't played).

Hey Morla, go ahead and set my email as the default for Pythium when you get the chance. Thanks.

[Olm]

I am sorry, but I have to ask for extension again.
Family party this evening.
Turns are really getting long, perhaps we should extend standard hosting interval to 72 hours?
And we need to talk about Christmas vacations.
I am away from home from Christmas till about new year.

[Morla]

Morla: i don't think the e-mails have been switched. I think you have shatner's e-mail?

Shatner: i sent you last turn's recieved and submitted files and this turn's recieved file- check your e-mail.

I.

Ok, i´ll try it again, lately i have to insist a few times to get the extension working, maybe with the email switch it´s the same thing.

[Morla]

I am sorry, but I have to ask for extension again.
Family party this evening.
Turns are really getting long, perhaps we should extend standard hosting interval to 72 hours?
And we need to talk about Christmas vacations.
I am away from home from Christmas till about new year.

24h?, ok i´ll extend the game. Is this time enough for you? and shatner if you need more time to familiarize with pythum just tell me.

[SpaceViking21]

I'll be out of town starting on the 20th through the 23rd, can we get an extension/pause for that time? Depending on holidays for everyone, it may just be a good idea to pause through the 26th or so.

[Morla]

Ok. What the others think about a pause for christmas?

[Olm]

Ok. What the others think about a pause for christmas?

As said I am away from 25.12. till 01.01. But with all preparations etc. it would probably be better not to do a turn after 22.
I could though do one turn while I am away.
So from my point of view I'd suggest one more turn after the current and then one due 29.01. and then 02.01. I'd like 72 hour hosting interval afterwards.

Wait, SpaceViking is off tomorrow, so the next turn should already be after Christmas.
How about 27.12. and 72 hours from then on? (So its 27.12, 30.12, 02.12. and so on.)

[Morla]

That seems reasonable. After this turn hosts i will make the changes.

[Morla]

Sorry, but real life took a bite on me, i will try to do my turn tomorrow.

[Morla]

Again.

[Morla]

At last, i changed the hosting interval to 240h. HAPPY HOLYDAYS

[shatner]

So, a new year... looking over it I can tell I no longer have the time needed to maintain my current glut of Dom3 games. Both work and home concerns are making it increasingly hard for me to keep pace with these games, resulting in delays, poor plays or (in a few rare cases) stalls. So, I'm going to try and find subs for me in almost all of my current games (I'm only staying in two that are either very close to a conclusion or are very low maintenance).

Sorry for the withdraw but I don't have the time to spare and my half-assing several games won't do anyone any good.

[Morla]

OH, we will work this out.

I will come back januray 4th.

Let´s hope we find a sub.

[Olm]

Is anyone looking for a sub?
There is no posting in this forum.

[shatner]

Weird, I can't find the thread I originally created. My internet was acting up at the time so maybe it got swallowed up somehow. Regardless, a new sub request has been posted here (http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?p=791967#post791967).

[Morla]

Ok, shatner found a sub "Rejakor".

When he takes over Pythium, i will resume this game.

[Olm]

Great!
A warm welcome to Rejakor and please read your PM!

[Rejakor]

I already have!

And replied!

HELLO.

I am Shatner's sub for this game. I look forward to taking Pythium to FUN NEW HEIGHTS.

You will find me to be Hydra, but fair. I like to think my door is always Hydra, and if you have any Hydra, i'd like you to come and Hydra it with me without Hydra. That Hydra, i'm looking forward to Hydraing with you all, so have Hydra, and good Hydra!

[Morla]

Great!
A warm welcome to Rejakor and please read your PM!

Well, well, well, looking for new allies?

[Olm]

Well, well, well, looking for new allies?

No need to be jealous, you had your chance :)

[Rejakor]

Pythium loves allies! They're great!

We love them especially with barbecue sauce, and those tiny cocktail onions.

[Olm]

Pythium loves allies! They're great!

We love them especially with barbecue sauce, and those tiny cocktail onions.

Your allies will love to hear that.

[Rejakor]

Wow, that's a lot of crapstirring in a relatively short time.

I haven't cracked open the trn file yet (been busy with MorlaEA's one) but are you being hard-pressed or something?

[Olm]

Wow, that's a lot of crapstirring in a relatively short time.

I haven't cracked open the trn file yet (been busy with MorlaEA's one) but are you being hard-pressed or something?

As a non native English speaker the exact meaning of the term "crapstirring" escapes me, but perhaps thats better. I know enough to understand its not the politest of compliments.

Yes I am somewhat pressed, but my situation is far from desperate.
In fact I lost little of real importance yet. The gravest losses are my two globals.
I just wanted you to know all of your options, we need not be at war. But if you want it, it's O.K. with me.

[Morla]

Due to hardware problems, my mouse decided to die prematurely:cold:, i am going to postpone the turn till i got a new one, maybe a friend of mine can help me so not much time i hope.

[Olm]

The nation of Man declares it has come to an agreement with the new Senate of Pythium.
As of now the following provinces belong to Pythium:

Midge Fens (50)
Boddern Weald (55)
Sea of Woe (45)
Druid Land (62)

Our forces retreat from the mentioned provinces, We have no more business there.

[Morla]

The nation of Man declares it has come to an agreement with the new Senate of Pythium.
As of now the following provinces belong to Pythium:

Midge Fens (50)
Boddern Weald (55)
Sea of Woe (45)
Druid Land (62)

Our forces retreat from the mentioned provinces, We have no more business there.

Well, but now what am i going to do? and, where those armies would retreat?.

[Olm]

Well, but now what am i going to do?


Thats between you and Pythium.



Where those armies would retreat?.

Thats Our concern, not yours.

[Rejakor]

The Senate has extreme confidence in the Ulmish nation to arrive at a peaceful conclusion in the conflict with Man.

As for now, the nation of Man has appeased our wrath. We heartily recommend they do the same for Ulm and Jotunheim.

[Olm]

I am a bit short with time until Thursday. Could we postpone hosting for 36 hours?
My turn will then probably be in by Thursday 23:00 h.

[Morla]

I am a bit short with time until Thursday. Could we postpone hosting for 36 hours?
My turn will then probably be in by Thursday 23:00 h.

The game will quickhost on Wednesday January 18th, do you really need an extension? if so i will extend the game 36h.

[Olm]

18.???
No, I don't need an extension.
Why so late?

[Morla]

I changed the hosting interval to 72h, it will take effect next turn.

[Olm]

Ouch! :)

[Morla]

At last, a true offensive from man, i was getting bored :D.

[Morla]

Hi all, i will extend the game till Rejakor submit his turn, any objections or time limit in the extendion?

Rejakor, info on when you can send your turn.

[Olm]

Hi all, i will extend the game till Rejakor submit his turn, any objections or time limit in the extendion?

Rejakor, info on when you can send your turn.


No objections, we should wait.
But you could submit your turn, so the game hosts as soon as Rejakors turn is in.

[Morla]

I prefer to wait till Rejakor shows some life.

[Olm]

I prefer to wait till Rejakor shows some life.

Whats the benefit of that?
It just delays hosting.
Had you submitted yesterday, Rejakor and me could be playing by now.

[Morla]

You are right, it delays host, but if something happens and i am far from inet a stale can happen. It´s more secure. But if you don´t like this i can change my behavior.

[Olm]

You are right, it delays host, but if something happens and i am far from inet a stale can happen. It´s more secure. But if you don´t like this i can change my behavior.

But you having not submitted your turn will not prevent anything from happening.
The only difference is that you will stale too.

On the game: I guess you were a bit rash in Doven. You should have waited for reinforcements. Great battle with a great outcome.
But I still need to learn to use my poison. I always end up killing to many of my units with it.

[Morla]

You are right, it delays host, but if something happens and i am far from inet a stale can happen. It´s more secure. But if you don´t like this i can change my behavior.

But you having not submitted your turn will not prevent anything from happening.
The only difference is that you will stale too.

On the game: I guess you were a bit rash in Doven. You should have waited for reinforcements. Great battle with a great outcome.
But I still need to learn to use my poison. I always end up killing to many of my units with it.

Doven, yes i was a bit rush, i thought you didn´t try to intercept my forces and i am a total noob:bug: in army movement.

For the poison you did well, but serpents blessing is better than poison guard, and mass regeneration is always nice.

[Olm]

Doven, yes i was a bit rush, i thought you didn´t try to intercept my forces and i am a total noob:bug: in army movement.

I hoped you would move that way, but I did not expect it.

For the poison you did well, but serpents blessing is better than poison guard, and mass regeneration is always nice.

We are ashamed to admit that both spells are beyond our casters skills.
But not for much longer!

[Rejakor]

Hey guys. Sorry about the late turn had a surprise lack of internet compounded by being busy. Personally i'm glad Morla is being careful. Better a slow good game than a fast game full of stales.

[Morla]

Thx:)

[Morla]

OH MAN you are going to kill me :).

I just extended the game 6h didn´t know if you can make it, i will keep an eye on pythium.

[Olm]

Postponing was O.K., time was running out.
But I still don't understand why you do not submit your turn, when you have it finished.
I will go to bed now,and I would have loved to see the turn before I do so.
Now it will probably host this night, and I don't have the time to look in the morning, so I see it in the afternoon.
I love to think about the game in my car on the way to work......

Don't let me be misunderstood: Your doing a great job in letting nobody stale. And if someone is not able to get his turn in in time its necessary to wait, it happened to me also.
But you holding back your turn just makes no sense IMO.

[Morla]

I just sended my turn. i hope you have the time to see the new one.

[Olm]

Man, that Master Enslave/Vortex of Returning combo is evil!

[Morla]

XD, sincerely it´s the first time i try it, it worked :D.

Well it´s time for the real war. NOW, LETS HAVE MORE FUN.

Happy thoughts in your way to work.

[Olm]

I am sorry, but today I need an extension of 24 hours.

[Morla]

Done, but the server have problems.

[Olm]

Thx.
Turned out I managed to send a fast turn.
Probably not perfect, but with the server issues I didn't want to go to bed without having submitted.
Turn is probably not perfect, but O.K., so send your turns as you wish.

[Olm]

I could use a twelve hour extension as I really have to think this turn through and could use the Tuesday evening to do so.

[Rejakor]

Server spammed me with about 15 'already received 2h file is this alright' messages after I updated my turn last time and I haven't received a new turn file yet, despite going to thing and getting it to resend it a bunch.

until I can sort this out won't be able to take turn.

[Olm]

I did receive a turn file.

[Morla]

Server spammed me with about 15 'already received 2h file is this alright' messages after I updated my turn last time and I haven't received a new turn file yet, despite going to thing and getting it to resend it a bunch.

until I can sort this out won't be able to take turn.

If you didn´t recive your turn, try a resend turn, It worked for me, i extended the game 12h.

[Morla]

I extend the game one more time(24h), so jotun can submit his turn.

[Olm]

The deadline is again quite tight for me.
I've enough time tomorrow evening, so it would be great if the game could be extended 12 hours.

[Rejakor]

Olm, what did you do to Morla? Did you take his provinces with bards? That's really.. quite rude.

Also hilarious.

[SpaceViking21]

I'm going to need a 12h extension because my ISP is having technical problems.

[SpaceViking21]

Internet is fixed and turn is in. Thanks for the extension.

[Morla]

Crazy days, i will need an extension.

[Olm]

Hi,
I am away from home from tomorrow till next week Tuesday.
Though I will have a limited connection I don't expect to find time for a turn.
Could we postpone the next turn till Wednesday evening (GMT+1)?
If all your turns are in before then, I will see what I can do, but it would be good to have no pressure to send a turn.

[Morla]

few, i maybe can send my turn today. Olm I will extend the game, after i send my turn, till u can submit yours.

[Olm]

I am back in town.

[Olm]

Hi Morla,

Can we still expect a turn? Or is this game dead? That would really be sad.

[Morla]

hi all, sorry. I had internet problems, well no inet at all. I managed to extend this game thx to a friend.

I hope i can get my turn this weekend. And of course this game isn´t dead.

[Olm]

Great that the game continues. Yet after this pause I need some more time to get into it again. Can we delay 48 hours?

[Olm]

Due to RL engagements I will not be able to send a turn this week.

But I have just seen that you have staled five turns in a row, Morla.
Despite very long hosting intervals.
So you have not played for at least two months, I would guess.
Will you be able to send a turn some time in the future?
I stopped attacking Ulm provinces, when I realized what was going on, but a game where such a large nation does nothing but stale is in severe disbalance.

I concentrate on Pythium now. Though they have done a lot to form a really competitive nation, I guess they have no chance against the full resources of Man and Ermor.
To my knowledge Pythium has lost a Treeant, a Water Queen an Air Queen and a Harbinger over the last 2-3 turns. All equipped. Thats 3 SCs and a heavy thug. I had no losses worth mentioning. So if Ulm continues to stale, and once Jotunheim is fully down, Pythium will not hold out for long.

The question is: Will Ulm continue to play? If not: What happens with Ulm and is it worthwhile to continue at all.

[Rejakor]

Not going to be able to take turns for 5 or so days.

If we don't get subs/holds or something willing to call this game done although it doesn't let me do my counteroffensive I have coming.

[Olm]

Hi guys,

I've seen you have actually played the last turn. Thought you would all stall.
It is sad, but to be honest, I don't want to invest time in this game anymore. It has no admin and the player of one of the largest nations has also gone.
Each turn takes me a huge amount of time, if I want to do it at least half way decently.
I had much fun with this game, and I thank you for providing this fun.
I especially thank Ermor for being such a great ally. Many other player would have quit long ago.
I guess we can all take something positive:
Ermor has outlived its two archenemies and has seen all but the very death of both.
Pythium has taken an impressive development under Rejakor.
And I leave the game as the dominant and largest nation.

Again thank you for the game, and I'd be glad to meet you in another one.

[Rejakor]

Well, it would have been interesting to see what would have happened if Ulm hadn't started staling.

Your Ember Lords and whatnot vs my mindhunts and angels while ulm held the line with undead would have been a pretty interesting situation. I had a master enslave teleport communion ready to go next turn for that big army with the mothers in it, too.

[Olm]

I had lots of remote damage spells ready for your army with almost only mages some turns ago, but couldn't send in the turn in time.
I had the Master Enslave thing done by Ulm, very painful.
Nonetheless I think in the current situation you would have lost.
Had Ulm played on, and you two played well together I would most probably have lost after a very long game.

Btw: I have lizard shamans as well as sages, so I could have warded my troops against Mind Hunts.

[Olm]

I had lots of remote damage spells ready for your army with almost only mages some turns ago, but couldn't send in the turn in time.
I had the Master Enslave thing done by Ulm, very painful.
Nonetheless I think in the current situation you would have lost.
Had Ulm played on, and you two played well together I would most probably have lost after a very long game.

Btw: I have lizard shamans as well as sages, so I could have warded my troops against Mind Hunts.

[Rejakor]

Mind Hunts are for solo raiding SCs. If you send a couple of flying lizard shamans, that's what seeking arrow is for. Using Mind Hunts against an army is like begging for feeblemind.

Yeah that army is like 99% trash commanders that I don't need and produce like 9 of each turn. Hitting the 4 arch theurgs hidden in there like diamonds in the rough would have been hard work. It was lack of time to do turns that stopped me splitting it up into 4 groups like the original plan was, though.