The Ascension Wars: MA,12 players, no mods, newb friendly. [Year 4, 8/12 remaining]

[3V4JKZ2]

Edit: I forgot to mention; please give 2-3 days notice if you need to go absent/quit for attempts to find replacements.

What is meant by new player friendly: This game is not exclusively for new players (though I am one, and I expect there will be more). What is recommended is that new players take supposedly "stronger" nations and the most experienced players take supposedly "weaker" nations, or try something new.

Also, I think a fairness in this sort of game would be for new players, once defeated, to be able to request explanations of why people did things certain ways (IE, hold questions until you're out, then PM questions to your victor, to get some learnings). This game is all about having fun and improving, for newer players and vets alike. People should generally disclose their experience with their nation pick.

The specs:

Host:: PBEM Llamaserver.
Age: MA
Map: Primea [13 per playerish]
How Often on Turns: 24 hours quickhost to turn 20 (or requests), 48 hours from there, slow to 72 hours late game if necessary.
Number of Players: 12
Mods: Most new players struggle with the systems mastery required for dominions 3. Changing it up with any mod that does not have a completely accurate changelog amounts to adding a second level of systems mastery, making this harder for new players.
Non-Standard Settings: Special sites at 45%, Hall of Fame entries 15, Renaming is allowed.
Victory Conditions: Last one standing
Diplomacy Policy: None; do as you wish, keeping in mind consequences in future games, as well as later in that game (if you stab someone early, any alliance later in that game is likely to prove less trustworthy). Trades should be fulfilled
Cheesy Tricks: New players won't know them and won't be ready for them. This is things like sending 50 bad items to someone right as they put up forge of the ancients to make them waste gems, using scouts to constantly siege someone's fortress, and there are probably a few others I historically read about but have since forgotten.

My race: Ashdod. Note that this is my first MP game, so there may be things that I am just figuring out in terms of hosting. I have read this forum a fair bit.

Hope this sounds good and that I haven't forgotten anything.

1: 3V4JKZ2 : Ashdod : First Multiplayer. Eliminated
2: Samoht: Ermor: First multiplayer
3: Blubbernaught: Abyssia : First Multiplayer
4: Ragnarok-X: Pythium : First multiplayer
5: Nightfall: Mictlan: A few Games
6: Legowarrior: Agartha : A Few Games
7: Pavonis: Arcoscephale: A few games
8: kennoseishin: T'ien Ch'i: A few games
9: Wendigo_Reloaded: R'lyeh: Experienced but rusty
10: Korwin: Bander Log : Experienced, not expert
11: Ossa: Man: Eperienced, not expert. --- Eliminated
12: Executor: C`tis: Extra Experienced

Game link is here (http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=TheAscensionWars)


Map is here (http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showpost.php?p=794962&postcount=77)

[Pavonis]

I want to try Arcoscephale! I've only played a few games so am quite the nooby.

[3V4JKZ2]

Dealsies. And I edited the title to show the minimum (8) rather than max (16), since it seems this game isn't getting too much attention.

[Korwin]

MA Vanilla? I want another try with Bandar Log. So far I got crushed pretty fast with them...

[3V4JKZ2]

Sounds good. I'm guessing on the 400 posts and the (or so I've heard) historically weak nation that you've played a few games previously?

[Korwin]

I would count me in the intermediate camp, loong way from expert Player (probably to lazy for that anyway)...

[Executor]

I'd enjoy a game without CBM for once. It's been a long time since I played vanilla, if you'll have me that is.
As for the nation, not sure what you personally consider a weaker nation in MA, C'tis? Man? Arco?
I'll take anything really, no preferences.

[Ossa]

Same here - I'd like to join, but I'm rather experienced (though not good at all;) ). Just assign me any nation of your choice.

[parone]

ordered the game. having it shipped. truly a newbie, tho i have played the demo a bit. how long till this kicks off? i guess i'd like to take ulm(harder to get killed immediately).

if im too much of a newbie, i understand.

[Korwin]

Ulm is really, really bad. I would advise against it.

[3V4JKZ2]

Parone: Korwin is right that Ulm is quite weak. You might want to consider a "Giant" nation. I'm hoping this game will get going in 1-3 days; can you get on presently?

Ossa: I gave you man based on Executor's list, though if you'd like something else.

[kennoseishin]

Sounds interesting. It's been quite a while since I've played, but I think I'll give T'ien Ch'i another shot.

[parone]

done think ill have the game by then. have to catch u next time

[3V4JKZ2]

No worries man, and good luck; hope you enjoy it.

@kennoseishin: Got it

[kennoseishin]

Oh yeah, and this'll be just my third multiplayer, though I don't think that changes anything.

[samoht]

I've never played multiplayer before. Could I be Ermor?

[Blubbernaught]

I'm a multiplayer virgin myself, but have been wanting to start. Abyssia looks good.

[Pavonis]

Ulm has trouble with magic + gems since they can only search 2 Earth- 1 Fire. Maybe taking a pretender mage with all paths would help?

But yeah, I call Arco. It might not be the best choice for a beginner but I have some ideas on what to do.

[3V4JKZ2]

Alright, so we're at 8; want to give it 1 more day, see who trickles in, and then get pretender submissions and map suggestions going?

[Wendigo_reloaded]

Greetings,
I am a veteran from the times of Dominions PPP, but have barely played Dom3, and in fact been away since roughly 2007, so what knowledge I had is mostly outdated or forgotten, tho I might still be able to pull a couple tricks.

Feeling the itch to get back into the game, and a vainilla one would great for this. I have trouble enough handling the new nations to add also mods on top.

Are sea nations ok? If yes, playing R'lyeh again after so long would be nice.

If otherwise, not sure. Maybe Vanheim?

[legowarrior]

I'm brand new multiplayer, and I've only really played CBM recently. I liked to try either the Agartha or Shinuyama, depending on which be easier to handle for a newb.

I think I have a slight preference for the Shinuyama though.

[Executor]

Battle for Wesnoth avatar! I'll think I'll have to get reacquainted with that game soon. Don't know why but that reminded me of plants vs zombies too...

I'm probably a bit more experienced than "experienced". Just though I'd get it out there before anyone implies I'm trying to mislead or join a newb game.

[Ragnarok-X]

Can i still join ? I have plenty of SP experience butno multi. Can we use latest cbm ?

EDIT: Pythium, please.

[3V4JKZ2]

Lego, Wendigo, I got you guys.

I just remembered one of those things that I should have thought to mention:
Edit: I forgot to mention; please give 2-3 days notice if you need to go absent/quit for attempts to find replacements.

Also, Wendigo, I gave you R'lyeh; It looks like we'll be finishing with 10-12 players. Can I get map suggestions for my creation this evening?

Also, could I ask the vets (Wendigo, Korwin, Ossa, Executor) to comment on R'lyeh as the only sea nation? I think that might have implications, but I'm not sure what they are.

In timeline; it looks like game up tonight at 11:00 PM PST, pretender submission, with first turn on Thursday or Friday...unless I screw something up in game creation.

10-12 people means 100-120 territories small, 150-180 medium. I'm not really friendly to considering "large".

That means 100-180. I am going over Llama's list, and removing the ones with insufficient land starts or too many sea starts (I have figured that giving R'yleh 30 provinces of sea is iffy :p ) It's possible I removed something good from the list due to short-sightedness. Apologies if I did.

So, organized by size:

Section 1: 100-121
Three Lake: 92 land, 12 sea (104, small)
Aran: 96 land, 11 sea (107, small)
Random map: Dark Paradise: 104 land, 16 sea (120, small)
Ilzgot: 104 land, 16 sea (120, small)
Random Map: Hellscape: 105 land, 15 sea (120, small)
Mines and Farms: 105 land + 16 sea. (121, small)

Section 2: 121-150
The Desert Eye: 108 land, 17 sea (125, small-medium)
Random Wraparound: Tiny_000, the middle one (the other two would be hostile to a water nation); 110 land + 15 sea. (125, small-medium)
Shadowshore: 120 land + 13 sea (133, small-medium)
Parganos (or fixed?): 116 land + 19 sea. (135, small-medium)
Random Map: Hieronica: 131 land + 19 sea (150, medium)

Section 3: 150+
Map for Old Kings: 135 land + 18 sea (153, medium)
Primea: 147 land, 9 sea (156, medium)
The Land of Loemendor: 142 land, 15 sea (157, medium) (The unmodified version)
Random map: Etruscae: 158 land, 22 sea (180, medium)
Urraparrand: 145 land, 35 sea, broken up. (180, medium)
ShariversomfixLlama: 168 land, 12 sea (180, medium)

So, looking for strong opinions/preferences from people (including the newer people), though I'm generally against going really large (more than 15-16 provinces per person)

[3V4JKZ2]

Ragnarok-X, you're welcome to join, but there will be no CBM.

[Ragnarok-X]

Since most of us are noobs to MP, i would vote for less provs per player.
im in.

[Korwin]

Also, could I ask the vets (Wendigo, Korwin, Ossa, Executor) to comment on R'lyeh as the only sea nation? I think that might have implications, but I'm not sure what they are.


I love R'ley (my only real win, was with R'ley, I sort of won another one with Vanheim (last man standing), but only because the strongest nations went AI).
It's a very strong nation (IMHO).
A second water nation would be really good to balance R'ley.


Maybe someone (not me) would be willing to play Oceania (It's a really weak nation, well its good at clamming, but thats all...) or Atlantis?

If we went with only one water nation, I would vote for very few water provinces, so R'ley would need to get and keep land...

[3V4JKZ2]

Whatever, if Wendigo hasn't played in 5 years, giving him R`ley alone should be fine if we go for fewer water provinces.

[legowarrior]

Can I switch to the Agartha. I just realized how annoyingly slow it is to start with the Shinoyama. I might be able to do it with against the computer, but I don't think I can against human.
Sorry about the last minute switch.

[3V4JKZ2]

No trouble whatsoever.

[legowarrior]

Also, when it comes to maps, as the Agartha, I am aware that border mountains are awesome, but I would like a map with regular mountains, since Cave Cities can't be built on border mountains.

[3V4JKZ2]

How can I tell the difference between border mountains/regular mountains on the map images?

[legowarrior]

You can't with out clicking on the province. If the map has prominent mountains at the edge of the province, it is mostly like border mountains, but most map makers that use border mountains in random map making, go through, and change some of the provinces by hand to mountain provinces, or have both border and mountain provinces. It's not the end of the world either way. I'm here to have fun, I've never done multiplayer before, so, I'm not even sure to to turn in my pretender or my turns yet.

[samoht]

I'm here to have fun

Cool story. I'm here to dominate and MAKE GROWN MEN CRY! YEEEAAAAHHHHH!

*cough* um...

But seriously, as far as map suggestions, the only one I have echoes what somebody else already mentioned. Considering most of us are new to multiplayer/rusty, I'd be partial to a map on the smaller end of the scale. Most of my games, SP, have been maps with only a relative handful of provinces.

But I'm going to have to hop onto the IRC sometime tonight so I can have somebody walk me through how playing on the llamaserver works.

[Wendigo_reloaded]

I am fine with less water provinces (say, a 70-80% of the land provinces/land nations?), or with a 2nd water nation, whatever you guys prefer.

Seas can also be split to make the early game more challenging (so long as I do not get a single sea start surrounded by land, I am fine with that too).

I would suggest 8-12 provinces/player, with more the game might die prematurely.

...
Wesnoth is one of those games you keep going back to, pretty much like Dominions, did not even remember the avatar I had.

[Blubbernaught]

But I'm going to have to hop onto the IRC sometime tonight so I can have somebody walk me through how playing on the llamaserver works.

I found this to look pretty helpful. LlamaServer FAQ (http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?t=35160)

[kennoseishin]

I'd vote for Three Lake or Hellscape, since we've only got one water nation. My last game was on Ilzgot with a single water power, and I'd prefer to avoid a repeat of that 16 province turtling -.-;

[parone]

if u guys haven't kicked off in a day or two and i get my hard copy can i join in? i'd still like to be ulm(when i get crushed, i can pretend it's cus i took a weak nation)

[Nightfall]

Hey guys, mind if I toss my hat into the ring as Mictlan, this will be game number 7 for me.

[legowarrior]

Threelake is a little small for 12 players isn't? What about Cradle of Dominion? 221 Provinces, 22 of which are sea bound.

[3V4JKZ2]

Lego, that's 18 per player, which is huge. We're generally looking at 10-12ish I think, which is small-medium.

@Parone: Looks like you'll be too slow on this one, but there will be other games.
@Nightfall: Mictlan it is

[3V4JKZ2]

I'd like to suggest the short list of:

Hellscape: 105 land + 15 sea (120, small-medium) (10 per person), sea is broken up
Shadowshore: 120 land + 13 sea (133, small-medium) (~11 per person), sea is around edges.

This is based on the 10 provinces per player "small game", and things without strong sea advantages.

[Nightfall]

I'd like to suggest the short list of:

Hellscape: 105 land + 15 sea (120, small-medium) (10 per person), sea is broken up
Shadowshore: 120 land + 13 sea (133, small-medium) (~11 per person), sea is around edges.

This is based on the 10 provinces per player "small game", and things without strong sea advantages.

I like the look of Shadowshore, but it's maybe a tough map for Wendigo_Reloaded.

I think Primea is a good size too at 147+9 or 13 per person.

[Nightfall]

If I may also make a small suggestion to make diplomacy a little more newbie friendly; All trades must be honoured.

[Executor]

Primea and Map of Old Kings look nice to me.

[Korwin]

http://dom3.servegame.com/wiki/Primea

About Shadowshore, I disagree (I won on that map with R'leyh) :D
Yes, he may have a slight Dominion problem, but the up side is a huge mobility.

I vote Primea or Hellscape.

[legowarrior]

I could do Primea

[3V4JKZ2]

We've got 5 support for Primea (including me), so that's sufficient. I'll be creating the game in about an hour, pretender submission today, turn one tomorrow, hopefully.

@Nightfall: I think all trades being honoured is a general rule of thumb. Vets, have you experienced a game where it was considered acceptable to not fulfill your end of a trade?

[legowarrior]

What is the official game name going to be?

[Ragnarok-X]

Someone please post a small tutorial on how i can join the actual game. thanks.

[3V4JKZ2]

Don't worry, I will try to do step by step instrutions :-)

[3V4JKZ2]

Official Game name is "The Ascension Wars"

Lack of creativity apologized for :p

[legowarrior]

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?t=35160

You can find help here. (Had to clarify it)

[3V4JKZ2]

Yeah, I was in the process of looking for that guide :p

Basically, Ragnorak: It's create a pretender using the game tools option, find the file in your savedgames/newlords folder, then e-mail to pretenders[ at ]llamaserver[ dot ]net. E-mail title should be "TheAscensionWars"

[Wendigo_reloaded]

@Ragnarok-X:

It was already posted earlier in this thread:
http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?t=35160

edit: ups, ninja'd

@3V4JKZ2:
Never been in a game that needed a rule to enforce agreements (speaking about Dom1 & 2 here): players are very unlikely to not honour them, because opponents backstabbed develop grudges, & a bad reputation can bite you in future games (or even in the same one).

Some gaming groups enjoy a well executed backstab, that did not seem to be the case in this community, at least in my experience.

It's basically a repeated prisoner's dilemma, which makes diplomacy the most powerful tool in the game:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Repeated_game#Repeated_prisoner.27s_dilemma

However, different interpretations of what was agreed are common (be that the word, or the spirit of the agreement), so disputes arise anyway.

[3V4JKZ2]

Can one of the vets comment if we have to download and extract primea to our maps folder?

[Wendigo_reloaded]

@3V4JKZ2:
Do not remember, my last games were on Gandalf's server.Anyone else?

New players:
make sure you send the correct pretender, if you have created many different ones for a nation you will see something like this:

mid_vanheim_0.2h
mid_vanheim_1.2h
.....

If you are not sure which is the correct one, backup your newlords folder, delete the content and create the god again in the game. The single file showing now in the newlords folder will be your pretender. After sending it, you can restore your other builds.

[Wendigo_reloaded]

llamaserver is labelling my mail as junk and returning it.

Looks like my SMTP server is blacklisted, gonna try to get it sorted.

[legowarrior]

Check this website when you have everything submitted!
http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=TheAscensionWars

[Korwin]

Pretender submitted.

[Ragnarok-X]

same

[Nightfall]

Can one of the vets comment if we have to download and extract primea to our maps folder?

You will need to in order to open your turns.

llamaserver is labelling my mail as junk and returning it.

Looks like my SMTP server is blacklisted, gonna try to get it sorted.

I use yahoo, which works fine if your still having problems.

[Wendigo_reloaded]

Problem solved by creating a free account as suggested by Nightfall, I am in then.

[Blubbernaught]

Pretender in.

[Nightfall]

Ah crap... just noticed that there are a couple of phantom provinces on Primea with no conections...

Noticed 64,65 and 105 so far...

[samoht]

Sent mine in. Huzzah.

[3V4JKZ2]

Re: Phantom Provinces: Teleport :P ... but either way, has lots of provinces anyways.

New players, make sure you remember to download and extract the map. Maybe even play a test game against some AI on the map, to get a sense of it.

We've got 3 people before turn 1 gets sent out.

Ragnarok; you said you submitted, but I've got you down for Pythium, and I don't see Pythium on the Llamaserver list.


4: Ragnarok-X: Pythium : First multiplayer
7: Pavonis: Arcoscephale: A few games
8: kennoseishin: T'ien Ch'i: A few games

[kennoseishin]

Pretender in. Glory to the Middle Kingdom!

[Nightfall]

Re: Phantom Provinces: Teleport :P ... but either way, has lots of provinces anyways.


As long as when first turn goes out, everyone needs turn on map filters - neighbours and make sure that their capital province is connected.

[3V4JKZ2]

Yeah, good call. Though I couldn't find 64/65 when I checked, I could find 105. I tried just clicking on everything.

[Pavonis]

Okay. I sent my pretender in.

[Nightfall]

Yeah, good call. Though I couldn't find 64/65 when I checked, I could find 105. I tried just clicking on everything.

They are both alternate dimensions within 63... :eek:

150, 151 and 153 have a similiar dimensional thing going on, but those are at least connected.

[3V4JKZ2]

Whoops.

Let's say 64/65 (hiding in 63) and 105 (since it's easily visible on the map) are teleport/etcetera into, and 150/151/153 (hiding in one province) are connected, so whoever starts near there can fight it out for those strangely connected provinces if they so desire.

just waiting on Ragnarok, going to PM him to see if that gets to his e-mail.

[Blubbernaught]

As long as somebody doesn't get caught starting in 105, in my first test single player game I started in a province with no exit. Tough staring position.

[samoht]

I don't have any experience with trans-dimensional provinces, so does anybody think it will be THAT big of an issue?

Maybe a gentleman's agreement (or lady's, for any females) that nobody will build fortifications there?

[legowarrior]

I cool with picking a new map, but for now all is well.

[Nightfall]

Just in case we need to restart I cleaned up the .map file and uploaded it to llamaserver as Primea (Clean).

First time messing around with maps, but tested okay.

[3V4JKZ2]

Switching to that. Please be careful to make sure you download the newer map.

[Nightfall]

Please note that I'll be out of town for the next four days, I'm expecting to have access to sufficient wifi to submit turns, but just thought I should let ya's know.

[Korwin]

Ragnarok; you said you submitted, but I've got you down for Pythium, and I don't see Pythium on the Llamaserver list.




...One to go (Pythium?), and the game can start...

[samoht]

Just in case we need to restart I cleaned up the .map file and uploaded it to llamaserver as Primea (Clean).

First time messing around with maps, but tested okay.

Way to be CoolBro. I'll download it when I get back from work today.

Once the game starts, is anybody interested in communicating In Character? Or just like we have been so far?

[Korwin]

Oh we can speak in Character.
Sadly my Pretender only speaks German, my people are apes and monkeys. So no help there...

[legowarrior]

Hey Samoht, I know what we're going to do today. We're going to communicate in character!
Where's Pythium?

[Ragnarok-X]

Goddamn i made a mistake. I tought i was Man and submitted a Man god. Will do a pythium pretender in in next 2 hours, very sorry.

[3V4JKZ2]

Ossa, can you confirm that your submission went okay? Also, I'll be speaking semi-in character :p

[Ossa]

ah sorry - will redo it this evening. Sorry for the delay!

[3V4JKZ2]

If you submitted after Ragnarok did, it should be your pretender file up there. If you simply go to your e-mail and reforward it, it should use the correct pretender.

[Ragnarok-X]

done, again.

[Ragnarok-X]

The game started. I assume Ossa didnt submit his new pretender yet ?

[3V4JKZ2]

Everyone download your first turn and check it out. Ossa, please make sure you got the correct pretender. If not, we'll do a quick restart. If yes, we'll play it out.

New players, recall that you have to download and extract Nightfalls fixed version of the map.

Map is here (http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showpost.php?p=794962&postcount=77)

[3V4JKZ2]

There are little crowns on the map. I suspect these are victory points. I was under the impression I did not turn victory points on. Is this a big deal?

[Korwin]

On Llamaserver Victory points show up on the map, if we play with them and if we dont play with them.

Just ignore them.

[Executor]

Each province with a crown you control spreads a bit dominion. Acts as a dominion 5 temple I think.

[Ragnarok-X]

I got turn emails for man and pythium. I think its safe to say Ossa didnt submit or rather i was too fast in submitting.

[parone]

wow, just missed u. got the game today

[Ossa]

I didnt upload any pretender yet - and I did receive no email with a turn. Who submitted something for man;) ?

[3V4JKZ2]

Alright, sorry guys, got to resubmit pretenders. Reseting the game.

Edit: Actually, it seems like only Ossa needs to resubmit his Man pretender, everyone else is good. Ossa, let me know once you've done this and I'll send out a new turn one.

[Ossa]

Done!

[3V4JKZ2]

Alright, everyone should make sure that worked and report any problems.

[Ragnarok-X]

Again, i got turn files for man and pythium. If ossa got mans file too, its fine. If not, then the game is obviously my email for man and we need a new game.

[Ragnarok-X]

Apparently im missing the map file, i.e. the background bmp or jpg. where is it ?

[3V4JKZ2]

First post.

Ossa, can you please confirm that you also got the man file?

[Executor]

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?t=37593

Link to the map file.

[Ossa]

nope, it says the game is already full:/
Before everyone has to resubmit - it might be easier if you change the email adress for man to mine and I'll just take the current pretender - whichever this is.

[3V4JKZ2]

I'm not sure I can do that, but I'll try. PM me your e-mail?

[3V4JKZ2]

Found it. Then I'll do that, and resend the turn.

[3V4JKZ2]

Resent turn. Ossa, if you're okay with what you've gotten stuck with, then we're good to go.

[Ossa]

He's dormant, so he should be ok. Turn sent.

[3V4JKZ2]

:P You're a champion. I look forward to the reveal on that surprise.

[Ragnarok-X]

If you want i can run a game for a year with the pretender and send you a screenshot once its awake.


edit: you have a pm

[samoht]

When are turns normally going to be due by?

[3V4JKZ2]

It's 24 hours, so the e-mail should say. It went out ~3 hours ago, so ~21 hours from now? Quickhost means if everyone submits, it goes early (so if 17 hours in, the last person sends it in, the next turn goes out early with 24 hours)

[legowarrior]

I'm having trouble turning it in. Don't know why. Every time I turn in my turn, it tells me there is a problem. Don't know why.

[kennoseishin]

Are you using the old turn file, or the resent one? And you're sending the .2h file, not the .trn file right?

[legowarrior]

Send in the .2h file.

Are there 2 trn files?

[legowarrior]

I asked the server to resend me my turn. I'll see if that helps!

[legowarrior]

Got it!

[3V4JKZ2]

Glad to hear it. Just need 2 more (Mictlan and Bander Log) and we should see if we've really got this one working.

[Korwin]

Did we an restart? I took a turn yesterday...
*dont forget to delete the old turn before sending a new first turn*

[3V4JKZ2]

Yep, there was a restart, and yep, people should have sent the new version of their turn.

[legowarrior]

I might have trouble this weekend. I'll try to take all the files and run them on my wife's note book, but I'm a little worried.

[3V4JKZ2]

It looks like Nightfall is about to stale (he has ~15 minutes), and I'm uncertain. Any of the vets; do you usually hold for people, or let stales go through?

[Executor]

Depends on the admin really. If I notice someone is about to stale I tend to extend the turn a bit.

[3V4JKZ2]

Alright, postponed it 2 hours to give others time to weigh in. I sent Nightfall a private message, which I hope sends him an e-mail alert as well.

[Korwin]

It looks like Nightfall is about to stale (he has ~15 minutes), and I'm uncertain. Any of the vets; do you usually hold for people, or let stales go through?

The first turn on llamaserver is automatically doubled.
He has until Saturday time...

Edit:
Next turn due: 23:17 GMT on Saturday February 11th

[3V4JKZ2]

Hahahaha, oh. That explains it.

[legowarrior]

Okay, I can get Dominions to run off my flash drive, so I am okay this weekend, but if the turn is doubled, that won't be a problem anyway.

[legowarrior]

Turn one has started! I believe there is a lot to learn from the information. Should I share what I know with the rest of the world, or should we all continue to ignorant?

(How do people feel about someone going through the general information and giving out observations about what is going on?)

[samoht]

Turn one has started! I believe there is a lot to learn from the information. Should I share what I know with the rest of the world, or should we all continue to ignorant?

(How do people feel about someone going through the general information and giving out observations about what is going on?)

As a newcomer to Dom3 multiplayer, I welcome observations. I figure I'm probably going to get creamed anyways, so might as well learn what I can.

I guess it kind of depends on the info being shared? Some people might be able to use it better than others.

[legowarrior]

The what you can gleam from the scores shown at the end of the turn. I know at least one player has an awake pretender.

[Executor]

The what you can gleam from the scores shown at the end of the turn. I know at least one player has an awake pretender.

And who might that be?

[Korwin]

Anyone else get a strange status?
http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=TheAscensionWars

[Executor]

Yeah, Llamaserver is stuck atm. I guess Llama will fix it when he can.

[Korwin]

Didn't notice the last update time and in the other games the Nations still Show up.

[legowarrior]

Even in the dark caverns of the Agartha, there are rumors that somewhere deep in the warm swamps of the Lizard folk, there is research being done and strong domain being spread, a sign of an awake pretender. The deep seas seem abuzz with rumors of a great army forming and the Pythiums seem to have gained a large lead in Gems. What all the signs lead to is unknown, but we at least know what we are going to do today!

[legowarrior]

On a totally different note, I might need some extra time in order to submit my turn. I'm away from home, and Dominions 3 won't run on my labtop, now that the graphics card is broken.

[samoht]

So we're playing with Victory Points, eh? Could somebody explain to me exactly how those work? Is it just first person to hold all of them for a turn? Or first person to hold them all for a period of time? Or do the points accumulate?

[Korwin]

There are little crowns on the map. I suspect these are victory points. I was under the impression I did not turn victory points on. Is this a big deal?

On Llamaserver Victory points show up on the map, if we play with them and if we dont play with them.

Just ignore them.

I still think those crowns are ignorable...

[samoht]

There are little crowns on the map. I suspect these are victory points. I was under the impression I did not turn victory points on. Is this a big deal?

On Llamaserver Victory points show up on the map, if we play with them and if we dont play with them.

Just ignore them.

I still think those crowns are ignorable...

Thanks for the heads up. I should read posts in this thread more carefully.

[kennoseishin]

The deep seas seem abuzz with rumors of a great army forming and the Pythiums seem to have gained a large lead in Gems.

Most MA nations start out with 5 gem income, but Pythium starts with 8. R'lyeh has cheap mindless cannonfodder troops available, so a sudden increase in army size isn't too surprising, though it could also be due to a random event; land nations can get a sudden pile of militia too. http://dom3.servegame.com/wiki/Main_Page is an excellent resource for beginners and veterans alike to check up on info like this, though it's temporarily down now. :(

Edit: Also, some info can be gleaned from the titles of a pretender god. I'll use my own, Zhuge Liang, as an example. "Minister of Mountains" because he has earth, "God of the Celestial Bodies" because he has astral, and "Symbol of Unchallenged Victory" because he'll be the eventual winner :D Not everything is described of course, so the titles only give you hints.

[3V4JKZ2]

Korwin, can you send Llama a PM please? I'm a little busy at the moment.

Edit: I was able to send him a PM.

[Executor]

The crowns don't act for anything other than a bit extra dom spread. Ignore them.

On a different note, I've never had a better title on my pretender;
Guardian of the Dead, Prince of Disease, Patron of Necromancers, The lurker in the Crypt, The King at the Crossroads.

[Blubbernaught]

I didn't get as lucky on my titles. And I have a feeling I've set things up to be less than optimal for multiplayer, but time will tell.

[3V4JKZ2]

Llama hasn't responded to the PM yet, so not sure what's going wrong.

Dude, my PM to Llama wasn't in my sent box? What is going on here?

[kennoseishin]

Since we were only on the second turn, it might be worth just restarting the game.

[3V4JKZ2]

Let's give Llama a bit of time.

[Wendigo_reloaded]

Since we were only on the second turn, it might be worth just restarting the game.

All the games are frozen, not just ours.

[Korwin]

Dude, my PM to Llama wasn't in my sent box? What is going on here?

you need to check some box somewhere relativly hidden (at least I searched long) to keep your PM in your Sent box.

[legowarrior]

Anyone else getting the same message over and over again about turning in two different turns? I don't remember sending more then 1 turn, so this is wierd.

[Ragnarok-X]

I got that, too.

[Blubbernaught]

I haven't gotten any new mails from the server yet.

[Korwin]

Status page is saying:
The LlamaServer seems to be having difficulty reaching its mail server at the moment. Fear not. Games won't host until it is fixed.

[samoht]

Well I've gotten about ten emails saying my turn was received. It must be a pretty hardcore turn. :cool:

[Blubbernaught]

Yeah, that must be pretty hardcore. Givin' it to the server like that. You should be ashamed of yourself. Pace yourself man!

[Ragnarok-X]

http://prntscr.com/62squ

[Blubbernaught]

Sheesh. And here, I haven't recieved a turn in two days. Odd how that works out.

[Korwin]

Llamaserver seems to be unstuck, but didnt host the turn.
Maybe we try a Force Host? http://www.llamaserver.net/doAdminAction.cgi?game=TheAscensionWars&action=forcehosting

[Ragnarok-X]

Man, what a damn pain in the arse. 2 turns, 3 days but 16 pages of postings lol.

[Blubbernaught]

Yeah, we're a chatty bunch it looks like.

[legowarrior]

THE RUMORS CONTINUE: As the next week started, we find that everyone has conquered their first province, except the C'tis, who have 3 provinces to their name? Perhaps another sign of an awake Pretender, already ready to take up the mantle of one true god!
T'ien Ch'i seems to have gotten lucky in their conquest, since they seem to be gaining in Gem Income. What could they have found out there in the world? The rumor mongers don't have an answer to that... yet.
As to Dominion, it seems that the Abysia are in the lead, spreading knowledge of their God further than any other. What could the cause of this be?
Otherwise, R'lyeh stay in the lead in army size, although whether this is useless chaff or elite guards, that is not for the rumors mongers to spread, only ones who face them will be able to tell you.

[samoht]

Just a guess, but a high dominion score like Abysia's might be indicative either of an awake pretender, or a high initial dominion scales for a bless strategy.

edit: I see R'lyeh already submitted their turn file for turn 3. I haven't even gotten mine emailed to me yet. Is that something I should worry about?

[kennoseishin]

edit: I see R'lyeh already submitted their turn file for turn 3. I haven't even gotten mine emailed to me yet. Is that something I should worry about?

Mine wasn't emailed either, so I had it resent. I'd recommend you do the same.

[samoht]

What exactly am I resending? My 2h file from the previous turn?

please forgive the newbness.

[kennoseishin]

Oh, it's no problem. You need to go to the llamaserver page for our game, and near the bottom there's a link to "Request turn resend". Just click on that and then choose your nation, and it'll send you the turn.

[Blubbernaught]

Yes, I had to have my turn resent as well. Got it sent in now though.

As to the mystery of Abyssia's dominion, the answer is simple. Bubbles is a popular Pretender, already gaining momentum towards true godhood. Already the air grows warmer.

[samoht]

The censors of the Ermorian Empire have already started executing members of a group they have labeled a cult. Members of the cult are adamant that they were merely joking about taking "Bubble Baths" or playing with "Blowing Bubbles" but to the censors of the Empire... bubbles are no laughing matter.

[Blubbernaught]

The senseless persecution of innocents shall only strengthen our position! The holy Bubbles shall welcome all who flee the oppression of the Ermorian Censors. Even weak humans have a place in the Abyssian Empire. (even if it's only to fuel blood magics)

[legowarrior]

I wish only peace in our time, because a bloody war early in the game would weaken all of us too much.

[3V4JKZ2]

If you haven't got your turn, you should resend it using Kenno's explanation.

[Nightfall]

Just a guess, but a high dominion score like Abysia's might be indicative either of an awake pretender, or a high initial dominion scales for a bless strategy.


Note all this is based on score charts and pretender titles, take it with a grain of salt.

I'm really surprised that there is only one awake pretender.

Based on what I've seen so far I put C'tis on an awake Prince of Death and Abysia on a E9 Cyclops, neither are likely to be good early neighbours.

Arco, Ermor, Man and Bandar Log all seem have an astral flavour about them. Just based on what is usually popular I'd guess Enchantresses for Arco and Man, Oracles for Ermor and Bandor Log.

Tien Chi with astral and earth magic usually means a Lord of Plenty; for good reason it's a great chassis.

Agartha has good dominion with nature and death magic, so my guess would be a Lord of Rebirth.

Ashdod has heavy nature magic, but there are several different chassis, with different strengths, that could bring that to the table. He may try to make an early run at Mother Oak / Gift of Health.

I don't have enough info yet to make a good guess about R'lyeh or Pythium other than to note that Pythium seems to be playing against it's strength.

[3V4JKZ2]

Ashdod has heavy nature magic, but there are several different chassis, with different strengths, that could bring that to the table. He may try to make an early run at Mother Oak / Gift of Health.

What makes you think that I have heavy nature magic? I won't confirm or deny, but I'm curious as to what the evidence is?

[Executor]

Oh Lord of the Hunt, Lord of Plants and Trees, we know you have nature magic!

But strangely enough there is only one awake pretender. Good guess btw Nightfall.

[Nightfall]

Good guess btw Nightfall.

It's by far the best choice of SC pretender for MA C'tis...

By the way, for the others, if you haven't read the entire nation blurb you get when selecting MA C'tis, you need to do so now, there is critical information in it...

[Executor]

By the way, for the others, if you haven't read the entire nation blurb you get when selecting MA C'tis, you need to do so now, there is critical information in it...


Well that's just not fair!

[Nightfall]

Oh Lord of the Hunt, Lord of Plants and Trees, we know you have nature magic!

Yeah that, and on nations with sacred giants it's never not worth taking it to N6.

[Blubbernaught]

Based on what I've seen so far I put C'tis on an awake Prince of Death and Abysia on a E9 Cyclops, neither are likely to be good early neighbours.

Abysia makes a great early neighbor! If you like nice long, warm summer days and don't mind the dry heat. And having had time to think about choices and let myself start second guessing my initial ideas, the E9 Cyclops would have been a good way to go. But it's not what I took. I'll say that much.

[samoht]

Nightfal, I'm guessing as Mictlan (sp?) you took some sort of imprisoned pretender, probably with fairly weak scales, so you could afford to pay for a F9W9 bless strategy. Maybe something other than a F9W9, but something along those lines. Maybe F9W4S4. Blood and death don't make for great blesses for your sacreds, and they're not large enough to really benefit from the tandem E-N seen a lot. But those jaguar warriors with F9W9 are pretty sick.

[Ragnarok-X]

[QUOTE=samoht;795382]

I don't have enough info yet to make a good guess about R'lyeh or Pythium other than to note that Pythium seems to be playing against it's strength.

Why is that ?

[Korwin]

...new turn...

[Nightfall]

Why is that ?

Order 3 is really strong with Pythium. Your income seems to be too low for that.

[Ossa]

Hmm... id didnt seem to have taken my turn before the llamaserver troubles.. oh well.

[Ragnarok-X]

Why is that ?

Order 3 is really strong with Pythium. Your income seems to be too low for that.

Maybe you can play Pythium without Hydra.

[3V4JKZ2]

Yeah that, and on nations with sacred giants it's never not worth taking it to N6.

EA Hinnom? Still refusing to confirm or deny :p

[Nightfall]

And having had time to think about choices and let myself start second guessing my initial ideas, the E9 Cyclops would have been a good way to go.

Actually I think the E9 Cyclops is a trap for MA Abyssia, looks good on paper, but more than anything MA Abyssia needs magic diversity from the pretender.

[Korwin]

WTF. how growded is this map?

Oh, hello TC. Want an banana?

[samoht]

WTF. how growded is this map?

Oh, hello TC. Want an banana?

Yeah I just ran into Ashdod... or... whatever the MA Middle Eastern giants are called.

Somebody say NAP?

[Pavonis]

Gah! Two bandit events in a row! I swear I'm going with +3 luck next game so this doesn't happen >_<.

[3V4JKZ2]

The Glorious nation of Ashdod is sending a private missive to Ermor presently.


at 13 provinces per player, it shouldn't be that crowded...

[3V4JKZ2]

When I send private messages, they don't go to my sent messages box. Are they still being sent?

[samoht]

When I send private messages, they don't go to my sent messages box. Are they still being sent?

Yup! I got it. And responded.

[legowarrior]

RUMORS SPREAD like wide fire through out the land of a giant nation forged by the C'tis, one big enough to swallow many nations. Only the nation of the T'ien Chi'i seem to be able to keep pace with them. On the other, Man seems to be pursuing a policy of isolation.

Despite the awake God, the message of the C'tis doesn't as far as other, perhaps the godling isn't to that strong in its domain.

It is during these weeks that nations are starting to reach out, and borders are being established. No one nation wishes to strike the first blow it seems.

The people proclaim that the Abysia are the wisest nation, knowing more about magic than any others.

Where are these rumors coming from, and what do they mean? The leaders of the many nations must sort truth from fiction.

[Nightfall]

Just like to note the awesome turn rate, great job everyone.

[Ragnarok-X]

I agree. Hope we can keep the pace.
Btw, i think Man is inactive.
I got a weird gift this turn.

[3V4JKZ2]

They haven't been staling since turn two. Ossa is welcome to comment as he or she pleases.

[legowarrior]

What's up!

[Korwin]

Whats the weird Gift?

[Wendigo_reloaded]

They haven't been staling since turn two. Ossa is welcome to comment as he or she pleases.

He's been submitting turns since the weekend trouble with the server, but not expanding. It's kind of weird.

[Executor]

Sorry to ruin such a great pace but could I possibly get an extension on the next turn? This one's in but I won't be able to send a turn in until saturday evening llamatime.(48 hours from now)
I'd ask for a 36 hour extension just to be sure since turns are getting in rather fast.

EDIT: Scratch that, 24 hour is more than enough. :o

[Ragnarok-X]

np with me.

[3V4JKZ2]

Executor, I'll make sure you don't stale and extend as needed, though that last post leaves me unclear how much of an extension is necessary :p

[3V4JKZ2]

The Ashdodian Empire

We welcome friendly relations with any of our neighbours during this first year of adding uncivilized lands to our empires.

[Korwin]

Hello to
Mictlan
Arco
Abysia

Wanna talk?

--
So if I count myself, we are 6 nations in this tiny corner of the map.
Where are the others?

[3V4JKZ2]

The Kingdom of Ashdod can not confirm or deny that there are actually other nations on the map at this time.

[Korwin]

Hmm, but Ashdod confirmed with above message it itself is on the map.
So Ashdod has the rest of the map for himself?

[3V4JKZ2]

Definitely. The Reign of Enterthenameofyourpretender! shall never end.

[Korwin]

You do know you painted a big target on your back, right?
(If anyone beliefed (sp?) you got the rest of the map for yourself...)

[3V4JKZ2]

Believed, and they shouldn't. It was pretty clearly a joke. My four neighbours are Atlantis, Caelum, Vanheim and Erui.

[Korwin]

Interesting.
Still missing: C'ties, Ermor, Man, Phytium, R'leyh

[Ragnarok-X]

No worries, the Emerald Empire is preparing for the arrival of its God. As such, our thaumaturgists are quiet, at this time.

[samoht]

Interesting.
Still missing: C'ties, Ermor, Man, Phytium, R'leyh

do you really not know where R'lyeh is?

[3V4JKZ2]

They could be anywhere!

[Korwin]

Nah, your Atlantis is R'leyh. Because Atlantis is not in the game...

[Blubbernaught]

The Abysian empire can assure the little monkey people of Bandar Log that the missing nations are likely on the other side of the map. R'yleth should be somewhere wet.

We are willing to consider peaceful relations of course, but any violation of our sovereign borders will be frowned upon by the Great Bubbles.

[Korwin]

Your borders being where those red flags are, correct?
Anywhere else? To be honest, at the moment I dont plan to come further south.
(those knigths look mean anyway...)

[3V4JKZ2]

*sighs at Korwin*. Our senses of humour clearly fail, since I included a list of 4 nations not in this game.

[Blubbernaught]

Your borders being where those red flags are, correct?
Anywhere else? To be honest, at the moment I dont plan to come further south.
(those knigths look mean anyway...)

Yes. That is correct. Feel free to leave those pesky knights alone and stay to the north. While elephant steaks sound rather tasty, we've heard they are expensive to replace.

[legowarrior]

Ah, you guys are so far away from me! Let's be friends.

[Korwin]

*sighs at Korwin*. Our senses of humour clearly fail, since I included a list of 4 nations not in this game.


Ups, only checked one... :D

[kennoseishin]

Well that's puzzling. I've got dominion in R'yleh's ocean, despite being on the opposite side of the map. Any ideas why?

[Wendigo_reloaded]

Well that's puzzling. I've got dominion in R'yleh's ocean, despite being on the opposite side of the map. Any ideas why?

Some heretic atlantian scum raised the flag of a false god. The leaders have already been lobotomized & will throw their lives for the Sleeping God in the first ranks of the lobo guards.











It was a random event.

[samoht]

Well that's puzzling. I've got dominion in R'yleh's ocean, despite being on the opposite side of the map. Any ideas why?

Some heretic atlantian scum raised the flag of a false god. The leaders have already been lobotomized & will throw their lives for the Sleeping God in the first ranks of the lobo guards.

It was a random event.

There is this one awesome random event that I've only seen in SP maybe once or twice, and I think its only for LA Ermor, which is kind of a bummer for me now, but its when a handful of cultists with ghouls decide to take over a province and basically give it over to you if they're successful. I could go for some randomized love thrown my way this game.

[3V4JKZ2]

LA Ermor, plus I think unlike singleplayer, if a random event takes your province and someone else tries to move in, that's usually a declaration of war.

[legowarrior]

So, anything else happening in the world?

[samoht]

So, anything else happening in the world?

Well man, despite sending in turns, is essentially AFK. They way they rolled over kind of makes me think they would have done better going AI instead of just doing nothing.

[3V4JKZ2]

yeah, that one was a little weird.

[Blubbernaught]

It's kinda confusing. I thought maybe he'd been set back by a bad random event, but there's been enough time for him to recover if that was the case.

[legowarrior]

Well who ever is near has got one less neighbor to contend with. That person will probably leap to the front of the pack.

[samoht]

Yeah. Basically free castle/lab with a nice boost to gem income. Luckeeee.

[3V4JKZ2]

C`tis at one point in the last 2 threads asked me to make sure that he doesn't stale this turn, and he's the only one with orders left to submit.

I'm going to add 12 hours, then leave auto-hosting on, then re-evaluate in the morning. If you're someone not C`tis, please don't withdraw your orders. I'm not sure if he deleted the post because he said he thought he'd make it or not; but I'll leave auto-hosting on; if you're C`tis, please don't take this opportunity to arbitrarily slow things :p

[Executor]

Turn in! Thanks for the delay.

As for Man, the fine and loving lizards of C'tis were more than glad in overthrowing the evil dictator pretender who established rule there. The good people of Man are in the safe care of the C'tis lizards. The Dark Lord of C'tis has taken personal interest in looking after these poor folk.

[Ragnarok-X]

Quite frankly, i really dislike how this turned out. Ctis is already "powerful" in stock by itself, but getting a free lab, fortress and home province income this early is pretty huge. Bad manner by whoever is playing Man.

[Executor]

In all fairness I think Man had a bit bad luck the first few turns. We were spaced 2 provinces apart too so I raided his capital soon as I could ( on turn 5 or 6 ) with my pretender. There wasn't much he could do.

[legowarrior]

Well, I guess we know who we should all gang up on first!

[3V4JKZ2]

As it will swiftly become apparent from the score graphs, I am being double teamed in a surprise attack from Ermor and Mictlan. I guess I should understand why Ermor was unwilling to agree to a NAP-3.

Any neighbour of Mictlan can likely take advantage of this, as my scouts show all their armies engaged in the northern of their territory. They've also wasted 55 gold on province defence in almost every province. I'll also agree to send a single useful but can't be created by your nation item later in the game, if I make it that far (Dwarven hammer; earth, death, astral or fire boosters, that sort of thing).

R`lyeh, if you're looking to make Landfall off the north of your territory, Mictlan and Ermor are distracted.

[Nightfall]

As it will swiftly become apparent from the score graphs, I am being double teamed in a surprise attack from Ermor and Mictlan. I guess I should understand why Ermor was unwilling to agree to a NAP-3.

I understand that your a bit irritated, but that sometimes happens when you expand into multiple peoples face and are hyper aggressive in diplomacy; I did try to warn you.

Any neighbour of Mictlan can likely take advantage of this, as my scouts show all their armies engaged in the northern of their territory. They've also wasted 55 gold on province defence in almost every province. I'll also agree to send a single useful but can't be created by your nation item later in the game, if I make it that far (Dwarven hammer; earth, death, astral or fire boosters, that sort of thing).

R`lyeh, if you're looking to make Landfall off the north of your territory, Mictlan and Ermor are distracted.

The place for something like that is private messages with the people that you actually have contact with in game, a public message is considered bad form by most people; and probably less likely to get you help.

For what it's worth, good luck.

[3V4JKZ2]

Your warning was a little too subtle for me, I guess. I'm not actually irritated, I understand that it seemed like a sound tactical move to interrupt border negotiations with a preemptive strike. I'm just here to make sure it doesn't pay off as best I can. :-)

I wasn't aware public information sharing was considered bad form. My apologies. That's a first game mistake, that I hope no other nation will hold against me.

[Ragnarok-X]

Is Ashnod posting here ?

[samoht]

Speak softly and carry a big stick; you will go far.

[3V4JKZ2]

I'm Ashdod, Ragnarok.

[Ragnarok-X]

I see. I found it interesting how you messaged me about Nifel last turn. Now i understand why this pincer on you is happening.

[3V4JKZ2]

I don't recall sending that message, unless you're riffing off my sense of humour, and my sent message folder isn't working. Perhaps you could hit reply and send it back to me so I can see what I said?

Edit: Oh, I may have been meaning to send that to Agartha. Whoops. Him and I had been negotiating borders and I didn't know you were there as well at that point.

[Ragnarok-X]

Well, its a learning thing. Most of us are noob, so stuff like this (one player leaving, messaged sent wrong, bad diplomacy) were/are about to be expected lol.

[3V4JKZ2]

Yep. I created this game precisely so I'd have the excuse of being new.

I'm deliberately sending you a PM presently :p

[3V4JKZ2]

Also, I do appreciate commentary on my diplomacy style that led you guys to attack (Ermor and Mictlan), if you want to PM that to me, though I'll understand if you prefer to hold off until you've beaten me (if you beat me :p )

I am enjoying this so thoroughly. Profoundly glad I stopped playing against just the AI.

[Korwin]

Well, you are Ahdod. The more powerfull Nations often get ganged upon.
But I'm not shure that was the reason for Ermor and Mictlan.

Another reason might be, they think they have something useful against Giants.

[Executor]

Generally taking the strongest nation (Hinnom, Ashdod, LA Ermor, Jotunheim, etc.) is not a good idea since they usually get ganged. A newb can get away with such a nation but any experienced player should know the dangers of having a nation like that.
Personally, I would have attacked you instantly were you next to me on the map.

[samoht]

Pretty much all the reasons stated are why I decided to attack you. I knew from reading different guides and opinions on the forum that Ashdod can snowball into something pretty powerful with all of its sacreds and natural thug/SC commanders.

And your diplomatic style came across as overly aggressive, which didn't seem like the type of nation I'd want to have on my border or have further treaties with.

[3V4JKZ2]

Makes sense. I was hoping the newb factor would disuade people :p . Guess not, eh?

[samoht]

Makes sense. I was hoping the newb factor would disuade people :p . Guess not, eh?

haha guess not. This is my first multiplayer Dom3 game, but I've played a lot of turns based games before where diplomacy is heavily involved, so I'm not exactly new to THAT aspect of multiplayer Dom3. There are some different considerations to make in the diplomacy that are specific to Dom3, but for the most part you don't want to have to deal with somebody who is constantly trying to muscle you if you can avoid it.

And, well, n00b or not there are some nations that are dangerous to be around, and yours is one of them. Sorry! :o

[3V4JKZ2]

I'll show you dangerous! :D

The only thing I can think of that is similar to this that I've ever played is a single game of "Diplomacy" the board game ~4 years ago. Or D&D :p