BSoD (Newbie, LA, CBM 1.92) [Started!]

[Legendary League]

Name; Blood, Astral, or Death (aka. BSoD)
Host: The land of Peruvian Llamas (aka Llamaserver)
Age: LA
Map: Cradle of Dominion
How Often on Turns: 24 hours quickhost to turn 24, then 36-48 hours after. We may go up to 72h or in extreme cases 96h, if the late game is that tedious.
Number of Players: A good number. I.E. I couldn't be bothered to figure one out.
Mods: CBM 1.92
Non-Standard Settings: Special Site freq. 40%; Hall of Fame entries 15; No graphs;
Victory Conditions: Last one standing (or whoever is willing to go on with the late game grind)
Diplomacy Policy: All trades are expected to be completed. It's just good sportsmanship. Everything else? Go nuts. Just keep in mind that breaking treaties may or may not earn you a reputation, both in game and out. You can also choose whether or not to keep treaties secret or announce them publically in the thread (or via message system). Doesn't do anything, of course, except makes betrayals known (and thus attaches a cost to breaking treaties). Coalitions against one nation are also allowed.

Also, you are allowed to pick LA Ermor or LA R'lyeh, just remember that doing so will likely make you an automatic diplomatic pariah. No one likes bordering those pop-killing dominions and all.

Also, the more thematic and IC you are for in-game and diplomatic messagings, the more awesome points you win (redeemable for absolutely nothing).

NATIONS (11/11)
LL (me) - LA Marignon
parone - LA C'tis
HolyDooley - LA Abysia
ShardPhoenix - LA Ulm
revenant2 - LA Ermor
Blubbernaught - LA Ryleh
Ossa - LA Patala
Russian_Comrade - LA Atlantis
schoelle - LA Midgard
mattyburn - LA Bogarus
Aderion - LA Pangaea

[recon124]

I'm trying to play two other games. They have not started yet. Is playing in three games very time consuming? If it is not then I would really like to join.

[Groundworm]

From personal experience, I'd strongly recommend against starting 3 new games at once. Chances are you won't make it to endgame (or even midgame, if you're unlucky) in all three, but even 2 games that are both at turn 40 can get very time consuming. And if you make it to turn 60 or 80 in 2 or more games at once... there aren't enough hours in the day.

[parone]

never played MP, but id love to get in. always wanted to try LA ctis

[HoleyDooley]

T'ien Ch'i

[Shardphoenix]

So feel free to snatch either of the two if you feel the urge.
Then I`d like to snatch away LA Ulm. :)

[Legendary League]

Then I`d like to snatch away LA Ulm. :)
:D

Go right ahead.

[revenant2]

Bone Daddy, my Ermorian pretender, informs me that he would very much like an opportunity to lay waste to this new world and feast on the entrails of his cowardly enemies.

[Legendary League]

Bone Daddy, my Ermorian pretender, informs me that he would very much like an opportunity to lay waste to this new world and feast on the entrails of his cowardly enemies.
Now we just need a R'yleh and we'll have all the popkilling fun in the world.
:p
Although given the map, it would be difficult for a primary water nation.

Also, revising the special site frequency down to 40%, from 45%. Not a tremendous difference, but it should make some.

[Blubbernaught]

Then lets go for symmetry here! I'll give R'yleth a shot. We can popkill the globe! The Void is calling me.....

[Ossa]

I'm no newbee, but I just got killed in two newbish games:/
I'd start with a random nation (just assign me one;))

[Shardphoenix]

I'll give R'yleth a shot. We can popkill the globe!Now we only need CW Pangaea for a full house. :D

[Russian_Comrade]

Going to play as Atlantis.

[schoelle]

Hi - please sign me up. I will take Midgard.

Never played much and I have not played for ages, can you give me a clue where to get the mod?

[Blubbernaught]

Hi - please sign me up. I will take Midgard.

Never played much and I have not played for ages, can you give me a clue where to get the mod?

In the maps and mods forum here. Link (http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?t=47741)

[schoelle]

Great - thanks ... took me a while to decrypt what CBM means, and without it, google only pointed to games using it, not the mod itself.

[mattyburn7]

I'd like to join as Bogarus please!

[Legendary League]

You guys keep stealing all my nation choices. First Ulm, then Bogarus/Atlantis. :p

Also, need someone to help out with the randomization process for Ossa. Just need someone to pick a random number from 1-10 and send it to him (so that I can give him a table of unpicked nation to numbers [when we're full]).

[HoleyDooley]

I sent him a PM with a number.

[Legendary League]

Thanks!

Also, since my preferred alternates have all been taken, I'm going to be rolling Marignon.

[Aderion]

Hi everyone,

if there is still a slot free, I'd like to join as Pangaea please!

[Legendary League]

One last slot if anyone is interested!

[HoleyDooley]

Bump.

1 to go guys. A LA game, come and get some!

[Shardphoenix]

Everyone is afraid of Ermor. :)

[revenant2]

Everyone is afraid of Ermor. :)

You don't need to be afraid of Bone Daddy. Bone Daddy is like a lovable, crazy uncle that likes a good laugh -- except he enjoys eating humanoids and has a hobby of destroying nations. However, He draws the line at eating those foul fish creatures from the stars. Yuck! Even without a nose he can't stand the smell.

Bone Daddy does require a new player to join the game at once. If you're reading this and aren't already a designated player (future players will henceforth be referred to as future victims) join or else face his wrath.

[Shardphoenix]

However, He draws the line at eating those foul fish creatures from the stars
So, Ermor is de-facto allied with Ryelh?
Hm, maybe I should quit while I still have a chance....

[parone]

thats ok shardphoenix. two of them, 10 of us. and we'll have herald lances and maggots

[parone]

just funnin, dead dudes:D:D:D:D

[revenant2]

Bone Daddy is definitely going to need work on his diplomatic skills :)

[Shardphoenix]

thats ok shardphoenix. two of them, 10 of us. and we'll have herald lances and maggots
Have you ever played against LA Ermor? I`ve tried once. With LA Pangaea (trampling minotaurs and "dust to dust" spam). I`ve lost, even with financial help from other players..
It`s not about killing undead - it`s about killing ~10000 of them on turn 20. And it only gets worse.

I just hope the last one of us will be Jomon - They, at least, have some nice anti-Ryelh troops underwater.

[HoleyDooley]

The Stewards report a late change in the starting line up.

The Chinese are out and the red devils (Abysia) are in.

Cheers,

Dooley

[Shardphoenix]

In fact, I`m not going to quit - it was just a rhetorical question.
But if Ermor isn`t stopped really early on, our midgame is going to consist of desperate last stands.

[parone]

every game i play is basically one long desperate last stand...

[Shardphoenix]

OK, of SHORT desperate last stands. :)

[revenant2]

OK, of SHORT desperate last stands. :)

I'm going to go out on a limb here and speculate that you're not a big fan of LA Ermor :)

I've never played with them or against them in MP, but if there's issues in using them I can bow out. The reason I'm playing them is because I'm currently playing EA and MA Ermor in two other MP games -- my only MP experience so far (one of which is in its final stages), and I wanted to complete the trifecta.

A cursory look at the Ermor strategy guides tells me that the nation is a bit of a one-trick pony with a ton of weaknesses and lots of counters, so I'm not sure how they could be such an unstoppable juggernaut. Admittedly, they seem to have a good mid game, but they look almost weak at the end game when SCs and powerful battlefield magic effectively neuter them.

This is purely anecdotal, but in my MA Ermor game, I lost an entire army of 1,000+ cavalry units to a single well placed spell. Admittedly, it's different age but the mechanics are similar, i.e., chaff armies can be easily brought down with the right tactics.

[parone]

dude, be ermor if u want. if u crush us, so be it.

[parone]

one caveat, tho. remmember, merely your dominion will kill our population when u r LA ermor. that makes u a very inconvenient neighbor. so u might get more negative early game attention than u r used to. but u prob can handle it.

[revenant2]

Population. Who really needs them, anyway? I'm sure that the "Friends of Bone Daddy" wouldn't let a few of their dead citizens stand in the way of true friendship.

For those that do we'll magnanimously implement a "no temple on your border" policy, although you'll need to provide your own preachers. A small gratuity of death gems would be warmly accepted as well, but I'm not greedy -- not yet anyway.

[Blubbernaught]

Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtan

Dreamers fear not the dying of the dead!

Ermor has a distinct advantage in numbers, yes. But that just makes things challenging, right? Time to die like a noob!

[parone]

blubs, are u speaking klingon?

[Blubbernaught]

blubs, are u speaking klingon?

Nope. I'm delving into bits of Cthulhu lore. The inspiration behind R'yleth.

[revenant2]

Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtan

Dreamers fear not the dying of the dead!

Ermor has a distinct advantage in numbers, yes. But that just makes things challenging, right? Time to die like a noob!

My evil astral gods are stronger than yours, you foul, undigestable fish monster.

[Legendary League]

Alright, so beyond T'ien C'hi switching over to Abysia, I don't think we have the last slot.

Would everyone like to go with just 11 people (by majority consensus, excluding me)?

I would also like to set a policy on rollbacks. I believe in general, we should avoid them like smallpox. But, if there is a turn (early on, mind), in which the supermajority (i.e. 80%) push for one, we can have it. If we agree, I can also give Ossa his random'd nation.


Also guys, if you're afraid of Ermor, don't fret! I'd suggest communioned banishments (for those of us with access to Astral and Holy mages). Or a crystal matrix+high level priest and a communion. Also Crystal shield.

If you don't have access to that, well: wind guided-flaming arrow'd armies of archers always work. Lammashatas potentially, and lesser horrors if you're into blood. Communion'd thunderstrikes? Large AoE spells like fire clouds also do well.

...I will also be willing to forge Flambeaus for those who wish to pay the price (forge cost+a small fee for the mage turn).

[revenant2]

I feel the love. Hugs all around for everyone.

I'm cool starting with what we have.

Let's do this!

[Russian_Comrade]

Well,I'm ready to start anytime.
Damn, a lot of pop-killers around here. How about a little holy crusade against the forces of darkness?

[HoleyDooley]

Lets rock this town. Start now.

[Shardphoenix]

A cursory look at the Ermor strategy guides tells me that the nation is a bit of a one-trick pony with a ton of weaknesses and lots of counters
All of their counters belong to late game, except for Wither Bones and national H3 priests. And in late game Ermor has Burden of Time + Utterdark.
Admittedly, they seem to have a good mid game More like "almost unstoppable"
but they look almost weak at the end game when SCs and powerful battlefield magic effectively neuter them.That`s why you need to eat half of the map before endgame. And then you cast Burden of time.

This is purely anecdotal, but in my MA Ermor game, I lost an entire army of 1,000+ cavalry units to a single well placed spell.Only a thousand? Thousand is a small expansion party for LA Ermor.
chaff armies can be easily brought down with the right tactics.Only to be replaced by more chaff. Lost 100 chaff to kill 1 enemy troop? It`s OK ratio for you.

[Shardphoenix]

Would everyone like to go with just 11 people (by majority consensus, excluding me)? Sure, let`s get it started.

If you don't have access to that, well: wind guided-flaming arrow'd armies of archers always work. Unless in darkness. And Ermor without Darkness is just a dead meat anyway.
Lammashatas potentially, and lesser horrors if you're into blood. 2 Lammashtas * 50 turns = 100 chaff killed at most. Doesn`t sound like a good usage of mage time - better spam Dust to dust, I`d say.

[Blubbernaught]

My evil astral gods are stronger than yours, you foul, undigestable fish monster.

What is this dead thing talking about, undigestible? How can you digest when you have no working organs? And they call us MAD!

[dojango]

Yeah, Ermor needs to keep expanding to survive. GOt to grab as much chaff-generating provinces before the really nasty anti-undead counters come online. Anyone that tries to fight you in the early game will probably receive a nice shiny dagger delivered to the back by his neighbors, so there's a disincentive to do that.

[Legendary League]

Unless in darkness. And Ermor without Darkness is just a dead meat anyway.

Well of course! You can counter that, though, since Ermor's research lags unless they get to Const-4 for Skull Mentors [else Spectators are woefully inefficient: 12 gems for 5 RP in magic-1, vs 10 gems for 9 RP]. As a result, their early/mid game research is quite constrained, especially since they need to rely on death gems for most of it, and can't expand research growth with castles.

2 Lammashtas * 50 turns = 100 chaff killed at most. Doesn`t sound like a good usage of mage time - better spam Dust to dust, I`d say.
Summon Lammashtas takes only one battle turn and a death gem to use (you can then spam Dust to Dust afterwards). It's more effective for tying up the chaff before they reach you so you can have the time to spam those spells that you need. And if you can effectively stall the turn long enough (and they're attacking), you force them to autorout. So just having one mage spend a turn summoning lammashatas per battle can be very worthwhile. Basically when facing Ermor with magic, in my experience, the two things to keep in mind are 1) How can I most effectively, cheaply, and quickly kill the mounds of undead chaff they throw at me?, and 2) How do I keep the chaff tied up long enough for me to wipe them? At least in my experience.

Flambeaus (Holy Pyre: Fire Cloud which deals x3 damage to undead, combined with say boots of quickness) and larger AoE spells are much more powerful counters to Ermor. Also, communion'd holy priests if you have the option (Ulm for instance, can build up a communion of Iron priests and rain down things like H6 Banishment [permanently, too with a minor earth bless given 0 fatigue cost] with penetration items {which are overkill with H6, really]) just rip Ermor chaff apart (Ulm also has the option of Iron Blizzard spam). Cleansing water too, if you're a water nation. Blood nations can do the same with Sabbaths (and if necessary, can suicide diseased mages with massed Hellpower. An Earthquake or two is also incredibly useful against massed chaff: not sure about Bladewind against national Ermor undead, though it's effective against the unshielded chaff (these are all level 4-5 Evo; Hellpower is Blood 2). There's also Purgatory if you can put it up in time and are that hard pressed (Tham 7): wipes undead hordes off the map.

I'm personally more worried about Rl'yeh (since being a water nation naturally protects them). For that, I'm just going to be cheering Atlantis on, and getting high start dominion (since Mari starts next to a coast). And if I'm next to Rl'yeh, hey. I can try and go for a dom kill with blood sac :) .

Also, 4 yeses thus far. Need 2 more people to agree before we open it up to pretenders.

[parone]

the lizards of Ctis say go. we are ready, and the sacred serpents grow restless...

[Shardphoenix]

Summon Lammashtas takes only one battle turn and a death gem to use
In my experience, they usually kill a necromancer first.

H6 Banishment
16 communion slaves? That`s a really big communion.

Iron Blizzard spam
Tower shields.

permanently, too with a minor earth bless
If you`re communioned already - why not add "summon earthpower"? :)

I'm personally more worried about Rl'yeh Of course you are - after all, Marignon is a closest thing to a silver bullet against Ermor - H3 High Inquisitors, Harbringers, Holy Pyre...

[Legendary League]

In my experience, they usually kill a necromancer first.

Really? Everytime I use them, they go after the enemy.

And once their dead and routed, they come after me. Different experiences I guess.

16 communion slaves? That`s a really big communion.
8 actually. Power of the Spheres affects H as well. You can also use a prophetized S mage to reduce the number of necessary slaves down. You can also settle for an H5 or H4, if you're short on slaves. Really, the extra Hs give you more banishment AoEs and higher penetration. Every +1H gives +1 magic penetration against MR, and while Ermor has Protection of the Sepulchre for +4, I believe it's MR negates easily so it takes many castings to apply it to a large portion of their troops. At least, in my LA Ermor games. Having H6 just means +5 penetration, so the undead can make barely any checks (substitute for penetration items also).

Even with just a small communion, you can PotS and give the Iron Priest slaves H3, which is still fairly effective at clearing undead (and again 0 fatigue) (while the master is rolling H4-7 and still clearing swathes of undead per cast).


Tower shields.
It's still alot of armor piercing missiles flying about (will get through the unshielded undead chaff which they have, and have a decent chance at taking down tower shielded ones: think of them as crossbow batteries). Not as effective as high level holy banishments, but it's still quite effective. Throw out enough missiles and eventually shields are only an inconvenience.


If you`re communioned already - why not add "summon earthpower"? :)
There we go! Now all your Iron priest slaves/matrixed mages re rolling E3-5 (5 with an E2 and Boots). Chain-casts of Earthquakes destroy large chaff armies, and army buff spells like Legion of Steel/Weapons of Sharpness help the staying power of even weak indy chaff into effective blockers against undead hordes.

Of course you are - after all, Marignon is a closest thing to a silver bullet against Ermor - H3 High Inquisitors, Harbringers, Holy Pyre...
Wasn't my first choice for a nation (you took it :p ), but yeah. Mari's almost never afraid of Ermor (esp. with blood sacrifice to push back Ermor dominion). And personal opinion, but Ulm should have the tools to fight back easily, provided you keep up dominion (Counts, your own army of chaff to block/buy time, communionable holy mages [which are just as/more effective than plain H3 mages, mind, since they're, you know, useful at something other than banishments and can be empowered to higher levels of H], and major access to earth/fire evocations [with a crystal matrix], plus death/blood/astral). And if push comes to shove...Hellpower an entire communion of Second Tiers, horror mark, and getting the hell [heh heh, pun] out of Dodge.

If anything, I'll barely be building any High Inquisitors (a prophet, a few more to maintain dominion/go for potential domkills, and that's it). If I'm next to Ermor, I'll be Sabbathing/communioning Goethics, with a matrix to the prophet. HIs just aren't worth buying over Goethics and Mapmakers (name?), in anything more than small quantities. H3 is nice, but communion power is better (and they can still research/blood hunt/site search/forge in their spare time). Goethic communions will be doing most of my heavy lifting.

5 Yays. One more for us to kick it of.

[parone]

man, i thought this was a newbie game...

[parone]

u boys aint newbies...

[Legendary League]

u boys aint newbies...
I'm good at theory crafting.

Absolutely horrible at implementation. :p

Plus, I haven't played Dominions in so long I might as well (played 5 MPs before that (and got slaughtered every time), so still one).

[Blubbernaught]

u boys aint newbies...

I am! I've not even completed one MP game. Though some of the strategy they're talking can easily be from single player games. Newbie is considered newbie to multiplayer, as far as I can tell.

[Legendary League]

From what I can tell, non-newbie territory is after 10 MP games.

So I'm still a ways to go.

[Shardphoenix]

man, i thought this was a newbie game...
I just read many guides. Played 4 times vs real opponents, lost 3 times, and my opponents weren`t any more experienced. Also,read some LPs.

5 with an E2 and Boots Boots of Earth are not THAT cheap. Oh, and they require Construction-4. So, boots take time, they are not turn-10 solution to undead problem. :)

communionable holy mages [which are just as/more effective than plain H3 mages, mind, since they're, you know, useful at something other than banishments and can be empowered to higher levels of H]H3 Inquisitor is a pretty cool guy. Eh kills undead and doesnt afraid of anything.:)
Oh, and they are great at pushing back enemy dominion.
Also, his H3 is guaranteed - not just random pick, that you almost never get due to Murphy`s law. %)
Seriously, if I were Marignon who starts next to Ermor - I`d rush him with army of High Inquisitors and get easy 15D/turn.

[Legendary League]

Boots of Earth are not THAT cheap. Oh, and they require Construction-4. So, boots take time, they are not turn-10 solution to undead problem. :)
Course not. However, Earth 3 and 4 (4 with a Crystal Matrix on a E2) through crystal matrix on all slaves is still respectable and allows you to throw out the large earth evos/earthquakes rather easy. E5 is relatively easy to accomplish with 4 slaves and an Earthpower and Power of the Spheres (or a Crystal Shield).

H3 Inquisitor is a pretty cool guy. Eh kills undead and doesnt afraid of anything.:)
Oh, and they are great at pushing back enemy dominion.
Also, his H3 is guaranteed - not just random pick, that you almost never get due to Murphy`s law. %)
They're good at pushing back dominion, but not for anything else. And communioned/sabbathed Goethics do everything they do in battle magic, but better. Dompush/kill is what they're for. ;)

a 5-man goethic communion/sabbath gets PotS, and thus guaranteed H3 on all slaves (and H5 on the master). Better than just bunches of High Inquisitors (who again aren't as flexible). But that's my take on things. Then there's Hellpower (+2 in all magic, including Holy), but that's a whole 'nother can of worms, and you definitely don't want to bring that out in a communion (unless you plan on summoning a horde of horrors [large enough and doom horrors pop out: man those things are scary]).

Seriously, if I were Marignon who starts next to Ermor - I`d rush him with army of High Inquisitors and get easy 15D/turn.Yes, those death gems are delicious when you don't have to spend most of it buying research mages/mentors. That's like 2 tarts per turn! :angel

[schoelle]

I am happy to start with just 11 on board ... the map should be fine.

[Shardphoenix]

They're good at pushing back dominion, but not for anything else.They are good out of the box, without any research. And Ermor is much easier to kill if you start the war turn 6-7. Later on it becomes much more of a problem, due to much larger number of freespawn.
Also, smite spam from 5+ priests is pretty cruel early on, so you won`t have a problem finding something to do for them.

through crystal matrix on all slaves is still respectable and allows you to ...to waste a large number of gems really fast. :)

a 5-man goethic communion/sabbath gets PotSAn astral pearl for every skirmish?

a 5-man goethic communion/sabbath gets PotS, and thus guaranteed H3 on all slaves Goethics are only H1 in CBM. PotS gives them another +1. 1+1=2 :P
Remember, communion slaves get communion bonus only for spells that masters cast.
BTW, casting Sabbath immediately gives them 50 (49?) fatigue, so they`ll pass out faster (important when fighting against really big undead armies)

[revenant2]

Wow. Pages and pages of discussion about how to kill poor, misunderstood Bone Daddy. I love it. He's going to try to live up to your high expectations and put on a good show, but he's still a newbie lich, so don't be too disappointed if he succumbs early to all the pitchforks pointed at him.

[Blubbernaught]

Wow. Pages and pages of discussion about how to kill poor, misunderstood Bone Daddy. I love it. He's going to try to live up to your high expectations and put on a good show, but he's still a newbie lich, so don't be too disappointed if he succumbs early to all the pitchforks pointed at him.

As an act of kindness, the nation of R'yleth sends Bone Daddy a sympathy fish. Use it wisely.

[parone]

LA ctis will also subsidise bone daddy. we send you one undead chariot.(u have to supply the driver, but u can have the ostritch)

[revenant2]

Thanks peeps.

[Legendary League]

Ah, alright. Let's get this show on the road. Submit your pretenders now!

http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=BloodAstralorDeath_BSoD

[Legendary League]

They're good at pushing back dominion, but not for anything else.They are good out of the box, without any research. And Ermor is much easier to kill if you start the war turn 6-7. Later on it becomes much more of a problem, due to much larger number of freespawn.
Also, smite spam from 5+ priests is pretty cruel early on, so you won`t have a problem finding something to do for them.
Just a few early on. Can't let blood income or research lag too far behind.

...to waste a large number of gems really fast. :)
Bah, meant just matrix any none S mage you want part of it. So give one to a E/F Priest for fire evos or a E/A Priest for Wind Guide (better precision helps everyone), etc.

An astral pearl for every skirmish?
There are worse uses of it. Crystal shields are also available.

Goethics are only H1 in CBM. PotS gives them another +1. 1+1=2 :P
Remember, communion slaves get communion bonus only for spells that masters cast.

Doh, been under the impression they were H2 this entire time. :doh:
BTW, casting Sabbath immediately gives them 50 (49?) fatigue, so they`ll pass out faster (important when fighting against really big undead armies)
Reinvigoration is the answer to that.

[Russian_Comrade]

Random name generator just made my life painful. What kind of a name is "Pulu" anyway? Is it a name for a dog? No, dogs get better names. It is a name for some small pet insect. OK. I do understand the pain of being kicked by RNG. But it just won't stop.

Sent the pretender to server. I do not expect him survive for 3 years.

The insect's life is short.

[Shardphoenix]

Sent the pretender to server. I do not expect him survive for 3 years.
Hmmm... Imprisoned pretender means that it is neither a supercombatant, nor a rainbow. This leaves you with choice from good scales or a high bless. There`s a word on the streets, that LA Atlantis has good sacreds... On the other hand, those sacreds are cap-only.

[parone]

sent my pretender in, but i think i had a different sprites mod enabled. let my know if that didn't work, ill disable and recreate.

i am c'tis

[Shardphoenix]

let my know if that didn't work, ill disable and recreate.
Better recreate now - if the game thinks you try to cheat, it will spawn your pretender as pathless archmage. Happened to one of us the very first time I was playing MP.

[parone]

ok. so just recreate using only CBM 192, right?

[Shardphoenix]

ok. so just recreate using only CBM 192, right?
Yep. Just to be sure. :)

[Blubbernaught]

Submitted my pretender, but Llamaserver seems to be having problems. Doesn't show that mine's been uploaded and people are talking in the llamaserver thread about it not taking turns either.

[Shardphoenix]

Llamaserver says:
Last updated at 17:48 GMT on Saturday February 25th
Current time: 12:19 GMT

[mattyburn7]

Bogarus will have their pretender up either tonight or tomorrow Morning. Sorry for Delay!

[Legendary League]

Alright then! Everyone's submitted their pretenders. We're good to start.

:)

EDIT: Whoops! It seems there are VPs in this game (when there shouldn't be). :doh:

Restarted the game, because of that. Ignore the first turn file (use the second turn file!).

EDIT2: Ok, there still seems to be VPS on the map. However, I made sure before hand that VPs were disabled so that shouldn't be an issue. Must be part of this specialized map I'm using (with the 12 custom starts).

[schoelle]

Could you fix my user name on in the first page of the article? Just easier if people are trying to PM me.

[Shardphoenix]

So, how did you like the tournament? I, for one, think, that our new champion is doomed to die a horrible, horrible death due to being somewhat weak in Astral department.

[parone]

are you zeroing in on poor lazarus, phoenix?

i know it was dumb to put him in there, but i figured it was my one chance to win something in this game stacked with good players.

since lazarus is dead already, maybe i can use him to steam roll Ulm early...

[Aderion]

What did you actually get for winning the Tournament? The more experienced players in this game probably know this already but in the few SP games I played so far, I never won the arena...

So maybe you (or one of the more experienced players) could enlighten me.

[parone]

you get a middle of the road magic item.

mine is pretty forgetable. i had never won either, so now i know.

can't recommend sending your pretender, but might be worth it for a thug.

[Shardphoenix]

you get a middle of the road magic item.

mine is pretty forgetable. i had never won either, so now i know.
I think, Mark of the Champion is one of the best helmets out there, not because it`s uber-cool, but because there are only a couple useful helmets.

are you zeroing in on poor lazarus, phoenix?No, it`s just a prediction. Pretenders with low astral are very vulneurable to magic duel.

[parone]

i know you are right about astral. too bad i didn't read the astral thread before this game got going.

i know i am doomed here, but i kind of look at myself as a rabid dog. gonna die? yes. but that means i have very little to lose...

[Shardphoenix]

i know i am doomed hereWhy? Yes, your god is going to die at least once? but that`s the thing with combat pretenders - they tend to die from time to time.And Ctis seems to have other national strengths.

[Legendary League]

I should've sent someone to the tournament scripted to horror mark. :p

[parone]

yeah, shard, i guess you are right. there are a few other reasons i prob won't get far in this game. never really had any time to play C'tis b4 the game got going, and i've flubbed a bit.

but i'm still having fun. but you are prob right, the death of a pretender isn't the end of the world. although sometimes it feels like it

[Shardphoenix]

the death of a pretender isn't the end of the world. although sometimes it feels like it
Try wyrm with no paths as a pretender. With 10 dominion (and awe that comes with it) he can start conquering the world from turn 1 (just keep away from those undead - your awe doesn`t impress them at all). And if he dies - no big deal, you just call him back and keep fighting.

[parone]

low tech-i love it!

but i am currently in two games, and will have to get killed to start a new one. don't wanna go AI too early and mess it up for everyone else.

who knows, maybe i'll make it to midgame in this one. maybe not. i'll learn either way.

[mattyburn7]

Here's hoping I can knock you out in your other game! Not sure though. You put together an impressive army on my doorstep.

[parone]

that war has just begun. ashdod worries me, which was part of the reason for the move.

much hinges on the next few turns...

[mattyburn7]

And Koschei the Hero suddenly appeared...

I've never played Bogarus before. This Hero appeared and the write-up on this guy had me cracking up. Hide your daughters from this one!!

[Legendary League]

And Koschei the Hero suddenly appeared...

I've never played Bogarus before. This Hero appeared and the write-up on this guy had me cracking up. Hide your daughters from this one!!
Only one hero? I've already picked up two. :p

[mattyburn7]

Kill Joy :mad:

[Shardphoenix]

This Hero appeared and the write-up on this guy had me cracking up. Hide your daughters from this one!! Wait untill you see Baba Yaga (http://dom3.servegame.com/wiki/Hag).. :)

[Russian_Comrade]

Ah... Russian folklore sure is funny.
Baba Yaga the Bone-Leg. And Koschei the Deathless. Funny thing is, they always were defeated by Ivan the Fool.

Do not fear the monsters. Fear the man with big sword and total lack of brains.

[parone]

joke is on you shardphoenix-my pretender got killed by a few abysians who had absolutely no astral. in fact, they had no magic at all except a bit of that priestly stuff.

i knew i would be dangerous in this game...dangerous to myself, that is.

someone come finish me off!!

[Russian_Comrade]

So... C'tis is mostly out now. Strange. It was my destiny to be the first to lose.
Also... Are my attempts in the diplomacy considered so feeble that other sides do not want to waste time answering me?

[Shardphoenix]

my pretender got killed by a few abysians who had absolutely no astral. That often happens when you send a titan out without equipment/self-buffs.

[parone]

well, comrade, i've tried a bit of diplo, but no one seems very talkative. maybe this is a no diplo game and we missed it? we can diplo eachother for practice, even tho i have yet to see you anywhere...

phoenix, my guy had that fancy staff from the arena, the fire helmet, was buffed with twist of fate, personal luck, and barkskin, and still got smoked. now abysia is eating my up, one province at a time. i'll hang and fight the good fight tho, try and make Aby work for his money...

[Shardphoenix]

barkskin
abysia
I think, I see a problem here..
Anyway, you need at least a vine shield when going against a big group of enemies. And some kind of regeneration.

[revenant2]

Greetings Mortals.

Your one true god, Bone Daddy, requires a holy offering from his future victi...err...subjects. Please supplicate yourselves at the nearest Ermorian temple and bring your death gems as a show of faith. True believers will be painlessly sacrificed and their bodies assured a place in our new world order. Our temples can be conveniently located by the swarm of circling buzzards and the stench of rotting bodies.

For the rest of you unbelievers, heretics, and other naughtydoers, who are greedily unwilling to part with their death gems, we're willing to trade water and earth gems. Either send Bone Daddy the gems in-game with a request for the type of gems you want in return or send him a private message.

[parone]

Do not trade with the Filthy Undead!!!

[Shardphoenix]

Iron Order of Ulm just wants to remind you, that the ones dealing with the bunch of ragtag semi-sentinent walking dead calling themselves "Ashen Empire of Ermor", are extremely likely to be eaten by those hungry undead.
Don`t deal with the Devil.

[mattyburn7]

We conferred with our resident expert of death "Baba Yaga" and even she, the "eater of children" stated the the Ashen Empire is far to evil to even talk to. We'll collect your gems when we march into the crumbled capital of Ermor.

[revenant2]

We'll mark that down as one "no" and two "maybes".

[parone]

LOL. who knew a zombie invasion could be so humerous

[Blubbernaught]

Dear Bone Daddy.

Mary was a little lamb, who's boots were pink and green. And everywhere that death gems.... OOOH! Shiny! I see a fish! hahahahaha! (nameless mutated minion runs face first into a wall and babbles in tongues.)

[Legendary League]

So be it, I will give you all the death gems I have; in exchange I ask that all your base (and non-death gems) are belong to us.

[Legendary League]

Also, the nation of Marignon is looking for smiths of Earth and Astral. We are looking to buy a pair of earth boots and a crystal tower shield. The price for these two items are open to haggling and negotiation, as per the nations' discretion. If you are interested, please send a PM message to me (or an ingame one), and we can negotiate the price.

[mattyburn7]

The Nation of Bogarus humbly looks to purchase a Crystal Coin and a fine pair of Earth Boots(Its ok if they are slightly used). PM me your asking price.
Cheers!

[mattyburn7]

Still would be happy to purchase Earth Boots or Crystal Coin.

Also: Looking to trade some Death Gems for Air Gems.

[HoleyDooley]

Fire gems up for trade if anybody wants some.

[Russian_Comrade]

I need some real human flesh, my angry fish-men are hungry. Well, actually even food from cauldron of broth is going to suit their needs.

Want to buy supply items.

[Aderion]

Hi everyone,

I have a question reagarding a NAP-X. Lets assume I have a NAP-2 with some other nation. If I now send them an in game message cancelling the NAP in turn 22 (which they receive in turn 23), when are I allowed to attack, assuming I want to honor the NAP-2.

So far, I thought that a NAP-x means that x turns have to elapse before attacking is allowed, thus in the above scenario no attack should be made in turn 23 and 24. And in turn 25, attacking would be allowed.

Or is the usual meaning of a NAP-x that in turn x after the cancellation has been sent, attacking is allowed? Thus, in the above scenario attacking in turn 24 would be ok?

[revenant2]

Hi everyone,

I have a question reagarding a NAP-X. Lets assume I have a NAP-2 with some other nation. If I now send them an in game message cancelling the NAP in turn 22 (which they receive in turn 23), when are I allowed to attack, assuming I want to honor the NAP-2.

So far, I thought that a NAP-x means that x turns have to elapse before attacking is allowed, thus in the above scenario no attack should be made in turn 23 and 24. And in turn 25, attacking would be allowed.

Or is the usual meaning of a NAP-x that in turn x after the cancellation has been sent, attacking is allowed? Thus, in the above scenario attacking in turn 24 would be ok?

Think of it this way, a NAP-0 would effectively mean you don't have to give any notice and can send an attack immediately in turn 22. However, it wouldn't actually take effect until turn 23. So a NAP-2 would mean you can send your attack in turn 24, although your opponent wouldn't see the attack until turn 25.

[Legendary League]

Yeah, you could've started your attack one turn earlier (since I received your cancellation notice turn...15 I believe).

The cancellation period is basically how much notice the opposing nation gets of the attack before hand (so NAP-0 means attack goes along with the notice, NAP-1 means the turn after they receive the message before the attack begins, etc.). So if they receive the cancellation message on turn 22, you can attack on turn 24. If you sent it out on turn 24 (so they'd receive it on turn 23), then you can attack on turn 25 (i.e. battles can break out, and you can send the orders in with turn 24). Dat make sense? :)

[Aderion]

Thanks for the quick responses. But they did not fully clearify the issue for me.

Yeah, you could've started your attack one turn earlier (since I received your cancellation notice turn...15 I believe).

The cancellation period is basically how much notice the opposing nation gets of the attack before hand (so NAP-0 means attack goes along with the notice, NAP-1 means the turn after they receive the message before the attack begins, etc.). So if they receive the cancellation message on turn 22, you can attack on turn 24. If you sent it out on turn 24 (so they'd receive it on turn 23), then you can attack on turn 25 (i.e. battles can break out, and you can send the orders in with turn 24). Dat make sense? :)

Lets assume the following example:
We have a NAP-x and I send the cancelation to you in turn 15.
According to what you (Legendary) and Revenant wrote, I can give attack orders in turn 15+x.

I think my misunderstanding arises from the me thinking that the battles actually occur in the season (turn) in which the attack orders were given and not in the next turn. If this is really the case, than I would deduce that in the above example, attack orders could be given in turn 15 + (x+1).

But if your interpretation is the one most people share, than thats no problem for me and I will consider it for future NAPs.

[Legendary League]

In the few MP games I've done before, all NAPs were conducted in the fashion that we have given you (attack orders sent on turn 15+x, provided you also sent the notice of cancellation on turn 15). So an NAP-0 (an NAP with no cancellation period) would thus have no warning from time of cancellation to time of attack, whilst an NAP-1 would give the defender 1 turn of warning, so on and so forth.

Think of it this way. A cancellation period is how much time and warning a player gets that they're going to be attacked. With no cancellation period, the attack is effectively unannounced. With a 1 turn/month period, the person gets 1 turns worth of warning.

[Aderion]

I wont be able to play today, thus I would like to request a turn extension until Thursday, 2 pm (gmt+1).

[Legendary League]

Ofc!

EDIT: Ah damnit, you meant this turn. Sorry, was unable to access internets until now (since I had to go on a <10 hour car ride to South Carolina (:doh:). To keep this from happening again, I've changed the turn intervals to 36 hours now. If you don't think you can get the turn in on time, PM me ASAP! Stales make everyone sad. Also, would someone else like to help in hosting (an extra pair of eyes to prevent stales/make extensions)?

[revenant2]

Ofc!

EDIT: Ah damnit, you meant this turn. Sorry, was unable to access internets until now (since I had to go on a <10 hour car ride to South Carolina (:doh:). To keep this from happening again, I've changed the turn intervals to 36 hours now. If you don't think you can get the turn in on time, PM me ASAP! Stales make everyone sad. Also, would someone else like to help in hosting (an extra pair of eyes to prevent stales/make extensions)?


I check these boards fairly frequently, so I'd volunteer to help. However, I'm not sure how long I'm going to last against Patala and Atlantis. If I get blown out, I probably won't be frequenting this board quite as often.

[parone]

yeah. no point in me volunteering. im gettin double teamed too. not long for this world

[mattyburn7]

I'd be happy to help. I'm on quite a bit during week. Weekends not so much. Next week on business trip not so much, but in general pretty good so will help if you'd like.
That was a weird post, lol.

[revenant2]

Bone Daddy requires an answer to the following question:

A certain dastardly nation that will go unnamed (but whose troops enjoy long, cold walks on the beach and are exceedingly ugly) has recently, and malevolently seized one of my fortresses of peace-loving undead -- destroying all of my troops in the process. This was quite traumatic because many of those troops were still getting over their original deaths (it's hard to be undead sometimes).

Anyway, this nation is rather formidable and I'm having complications in stopping them. When you read our AAR you'll understand why, but suffice it to say they are not an undead friendly bunch.

They are quite close to our capital, but fortunately, the all-knowing and all-powerful Bone Daddy has a brilliant plan: He's going to send waves of attacks at the occupied fortress from every direction to force these amphibians into smaller contingents if they have any hope to advance. This will, hopefully, make them more bite-sized and complicate their supply situation, but we're not sure if this violates any game rules since it can be construed as a type of blocking, albeit conditional blocking. Is this a legitimate tactic?

[Legendary League]

Is it legitimate?

Yes. :p

No real rules barring economic trades, after all. And it's a valid strategy.

[Russian_Comrade]

Yeah, it's going to hurt me badly. Not because of final outcome of war - Ermor is having too many problems right now but because of my mistakes and inaccurate analysis of capabilities of defending forces. Let's just say that I really hoped for a blitzkreig. Witch major phase was going to end in 2-3 turns.

Nevertheless, the chance to intercept is lesser than 100%.

So, let's rock.

[/OOC off]

You puny strategy won't stop my holy crusaders. Ashes to ashes, bones to bones, Dust To Dust. My heroes already entered the Hall of Fame for their glory is eternal.

[Shardphoenix]

Dust To Dust Yeah, and Cleansing Waters. Lots of it.

[Legendary League]

Marignon is looking to acquire a pair of earth boots for 15 Earth Gems. Any nations interested should PM me.

Am also looking for death gems, if there are any on the market, for trading.

[HoleyDooley]

I need a Thistle Mace guys.

Don't be shy, come on you KNOW you can forge them, cough up. Who wants to sell me one?

Abysia

[mattyburn7]

I'll trade you a thistle mace for some earth boots!!!!

[Shardphoenix]

Well, at last I can forge a thirstle mace. Ready to trade for any fire booster. Also, can make earth boots, if you give me gems first - my sitesearching luck is terrible.

[revenant2]

Well, at last I can forge a thirstle mace. Ready to trade for any fire booster. Also, can make earth boots, if you give me gems first - my sitesearching luck is terrible.

Bone Daddy can forge most items, but you know my price: Death Gems.

[Shardphoenix]

Bone Daddy can forge most items Negotiations with Ashen Empire are totally out of question.

[revenant2]

Bone Daddy can forge most items Negotiations with Ashen Empire are totally out of question.

Your fear is delicious to me.

[parone]

revenent, you roleplay ermor very well. how would i role play C'tis? it's hard to hiss while typing.

[Legendary League]

Make lots of Egyptian references or lizard people references.

???

Profit.


Personally, I've ended up dropping the roleplay for Marignon. Got clunky with all the diplomacy I've done, and inconsistency in roleplaying is sadface.

Or name your pretender something hilarious and run with it. My EA roleplay oriented game has me playing time displaced Norwegian death guardians. Cue references to lutefisk and death metal. :D

[revenant2]

revenent, you roleplay ermor very well. how would i role play C'tis? it's hard to hiss while typing.

It'ss hard for warm-bloodsss to hisss properly without a forked-tongue. Ssilly mammal.

[parone]

metalocolypse!!!

[Legendary League]

How do you already have Zmeys, matty?

Oh right, you're Bogarus. <_<

[mattyburn7]

Oh Come on. Those aren't the real bad Zmey's. These are the little cousins from my national spells..

The nasty ones are Conj6 and require F4. I can only Wish I had the ability to produce those things.

[mattyburn7]

Now that I've digested dinner. I have time to explain a bit more. Apparently either LL's spies didn't tell him the whole story or like a good politician he likes to leave important bits out when telling his story to the board.

As you all know there is a big bad dragon called a Zmey. He's a CONJ6 spell and requires an F4 mage.

There is also a much lesser Zmey that is a Bogarus national summons. He is significantly less powerful than his cousin. He only requires an F2 mage and a lower level on the CONJ scale to achieve.

I have the lesser guy. I can 100% guarantee you that others in this game will get the stronger Zmey LONG before I do as I am nowhere close to producing an F4 mage and I would be at CONJ6 for quite awhile.

And to save LL the trouble when (And IF) the time finally comes that I get the real ZMEY. I'll happily post it on the board so y'all can get the accurate information.

Cheers!

[parone]

it concerns me that i have no idea what you guys are talking about. that probably does not bode well for my future...

[mattyburn7]

Ah, but you slayed the Giants in the other game. Cheers and Hats off :)

[Shardphoenix]

I have the lesser guy
Why did you even bother? He`s cold-blooded. With your cold-3 scale it means he`s a free kill for your enemy.
And to save LL the trouble when (And IF) the time finally comes that I get the real ZMEY. I'll happily post it on the board so y'all can get the accurate information.Well, overpatrolling every plain at 200% with simargls and mass-recruiting researches should get you there in no time.

[parone]

shard, be nicer to matty. your advice is excellent, but your presentation is a bit brusque.

[mattyburn7]

[/QUOTE]Well, overpatrolling every plain at 200% with simargls and mass-recruiting researches should get you there in no time.[/QUOTE]

I somebody cheating and editing my turns? Not sure where the 200% taxing is taking place.

[HoleyDooley]

Yes, all please note that LL has recently conquered all (including humble ole me) in another game. Thus we owe it to ourselves to make sure he doesn't make it 2 from 2.

Gang up on him now, before its too late!

[Shardphoenix]

shard, be nicer to matty. your advice is excellent, but your presentation is a bit brusque.Oh, sorry about that. English is not my native language, you see.
Not sure where the 200% taxing is taking place.It`s never too late to start overtaxing. :)

[mattyburn7]

LOL...so true. Cheers and a Beer to you Shard. All is good. Same to you LL. End of the day this is a game and we are all having fun.

Cheers All.

[Legendary League]

Now that I've digested dinner. I have time to explain a bit more. Apparently either LL's spies didn't tell him the whole story or like a good politician he likes to leave important bits out when telling his story to the board.

As you all know there is a big bad dragon called a Zmey. He's a CONJ6 spell and requires an F4 mage.

There is also a much lesser Zmey that is a Bogarus national summons. He is significantly less powerful than his cousin. He only requires an F2 mage and a lower level on the CONJ scale to achieve.

I have the lesser guy. I can 100% guarantee you that others in this game will get the stronger Zmey LONG before I do as I am nowhere close to producing an F4 mage and I would be at CONJ6 for quite awhile.

And to save LL the trouble when (And IF) the time finally comes that I get the real ZMEY. I'll happily post it on the board so y'all can get the accurate information.

Cheers!
Come now, you have more than enough research to get there in no time, considering you've already hit several other major research goals in the interim easily enough (for your benefit, I won't disclose any).

And in any event, F4 is easily obtainable for Bogarus, with a RoW and a Starets with Death (Skull of Fire). And this is all assuming you don't get a F3 Starets, too, in which case a Skull of Fire will do (tnen you forge some flaming helmets for an F2 Starets for them to start summoning).

If it really is just one of your nat. summons, you're already at Conj 5, which puts you one research level from actual Zmeys. And given you've been uninterrupted with war, and you're overpatrolling all your provinces at 200% with Smigarls (as Shardphoenix said: if you weren't, then the Smigarls are wasted patrolling them all besides some minor spy hunting). Just 10 of them is enough to allow you to pump out 200% tax rates anyways, so I'd be shocked if you weren't.

Yes, all please note that LL has recently conquered all (including humble ole me) in another game. Thus we owe it to ourselves to make sure he doesn't make it 2 from 2.

Gang up on him now, before its too late!
I did? :(

Oh wait, you mean...

LOL...so true. Cheers and a Beer to you Shard. All is good. Same to you LL. End of the day this is a game and we are all having fun.

Cheers All.
Of course. You're just probably going to win it since we were all preoccupied with other matters to prevent Bogarus from scaling ridiculously into the late game peacefully. :)

[Shardphoenix]

F4 is easily obtainable for Bogarus, with a RoW and a Starets with Death Well, Ring o Wizardry is a big deal in itself. With national mages you need astral cap, crystal coin and Ring of Sorcery. That`s around 60 pearls, IIRC. And then you need 60 more for RoW itself. Possible, but definitely not easy

[Legendary League]

F4 is easily obtainable for Bogarus, with a RoW and a Starets with Death Well, Ring o Wizardry is a big deal in itself. With national mages you need astral cap, crystal coin and Ring of Sorcery. That`s around 60 pearls, IIRC. And then you need 60 more for RoW itself. Possible, but definitely not easy
Fair enough. :)

[mattyburn7]

Exactly...Of course when LL said it was easy. I thought he was implying he was going to give me a gift of 100 Astral Pearls :D

If he's not, there goes my plan of creating an army of the nasty Zmey's...ah well. Have to try plan B.

[Legendary League]

it concerns me that i have no idea what you guys are talking about. that probably does not bode well for my future...
This is a Zmey (http://postimage.org/image/achc0kezl/) (note that this is from a SP Bogarus game of mine which I use to basically summon anything I want to determine their stats etc.)

Given the scales/Globals I have, I'll point out it has 80 HP base, 18 base MR, 18 base morale, and 1 base encumberance. The Fire Breath attack it has is AoE3, and it has 6 total attacks via 3 bites, 2 claws, and a tail. You reach it at Conj-6, with a F4 mage. Also, Fear +5. It's generally a major research goal for those nations who can reliably summon them, just because it's base kit makes them especially good in raiding and clearing/routing large armies without magical support (even with magical support too, if kitted out).

Hope this helps.;)

[mattyburn7]

I wish I had one of those :(

[parone]

Thanks LL. i really have a lot to learn. never heard of them. what a cool graphic, what a cool summons! how much to summon?


well, i guess i can check that myself.

i think i should consider conjuration as a path...i never do.

[Legendary League]

I wish I had one of those :(
Oh shush you. If you don't get one within the next half-dozen turns, I'll be shocked.:p

[mattyburn7]

LMAO...You'll be first to know! :D

[Shardphoenix]

what a cool graphic, what a cool summons! Yeah, and you need to kill him THREE TIMES before he`s finally dead. Oh, and he has 10% chance of getting 1F for fire shield/phoenix pyre.
i think i should consider conjuration as a path...i never do.
Big mistake, indeed. High-level conjuration is full of win. Low-level is situationally useful.

[Legendary League]

Conjuration as a path is full of goodies (though naturally, you're going to want to balance that against the other magic paths).

Personally, low level conjuration is indispensible to me due to Power of the Spheres, Light of the Northern Star, and the various summon Xpowers (which is a great target for boosting your battle magics).

[Russian_Comrade]

Okay guys.
I've got some trouble at work so there is a very big possibility of not answering your messages/not communicating nicely. I'm spending ~5-10 minutes per turn so it really shows.
Still there - but somewhat unresponsive and bot-like.

[Legendary League]

Do you need a delay, to get your turn in?

If you don't have enough time, I can raise the time/turn up to 48h.

And never mind.

[revenant2]

Do you need a delay, to get your turn in?

If you don't have enough time, I can raise the time/turn up to 48h.

And never mind.

Bone Daddy foresees some complications in his alternative universe and requests an 8-hour extension so he can devote the awesome powers of his mind to the destruction of the living.

[parone]

the longer the turn intervals, the longer i stay alive...i say give everyone what they need

[Legendary League]

Extended turns to 48 hours. It is starting to get somewhat late. :)

[parone]

a tip to everyone...if the late game gets tedious, just try losing 100-200 units per turn like me!!! not to mention lots of territory. you'll be surprised how easy the turns get;)

[Legendary League]

Alright, I'll give. How many tomb chariots do you spawn a turn?

[parone]

many...

[Russian_Comrade]

I do appreciate the turn extension.

[schoelle]

I have the problem that I will be AFK between 30.3. and 2.4. as well as 6.4. until 9.4. - anybody would like to replace me for that time?

[Legendary League]

Thanks for telling us in advance. I'll go look for a sub for you, if that's alright.

[Legendary League]

Also, I think I'm going to have to throw in the towel soon. Bogarus too stronk.

[mattyburn7]

I don't know. I lost a lot of mages in that battle

[Legendary League]

Ehm. You lost 21 communion slaves (mostly because you still don't know how to keep a communion from dying quite yet :p, you're missing one key spell, also an inefficient/weak setup for Bogarus). That being said, you have 5-7 forts up (I lost count after five), and are 200% overtaxing a territory full of farmlands and plains (whilst I'm stuck with mostly mountains and wasteland). So even if you did lose 20-22 mages (really through no interference of myself), you can replace them quite quickly, and without any real strain on your economy. As for me, I just lost over half of my army right there, and really accomplished nothing (besides giving you targets to fatigue your mages to death :p ), and I've lost my Bane Lord counters, sadly, so I've got nothing to counter your flying thugs. You're playing an nation based on medieval Rus, there's no way I'm outattritioning that (:D). My research is insignificant compared to yours (you having hit at least 3 level 5 research marks, and a level 4 research mark at a minimum), and my gem income quite frankly sucks.

I'm not quitting mind. I'm going to make life difficult as hell for you and Pangaea (;)), but at this point I'm acknowledging there's no realistic way for me to win this game (or to turn around the inevitable fortunes of this war), short of multiple divine interventions. And even then that requires everyone else to hand me a blank check.

[mattyburn7]

You are correct. You can't out-attrition the Russians, but the leadership has to get better. My 2nd attempt at communion worked better than the first. I'll have to see if I can get the setup and the spells just a bit better.

On another note: Ermor has been quiet. I hear rumblings that Bone Daddy is spreading his death message further and further.
Cheers

[Legendary League]

You are correct. You can't out-attrition the Russians, but the leadership has to get better. My 2nd attempt at communion worked better than the first. I'll have to see if I can get the setup and the spells just a bit better.
It's not even that. I didn't even win that battle, and you're going to take another fortress, so it can in no way shape or form be even considered anything besides a decisive victory for you.

On another note: Ermor has been quiet. I hear rumblings that Bone Daddy is spreading his death message further and further.
Cheers
Tch, you're just using Ermor, C'tis, Pangaea, and likely Rl'yeh as distractions so people ignore your ascent to power via magic. Lots and lots of magic.

[Shardphoenix]

On another note: Ermor has been quiet.Look ah HoF. Almost exclusively athlanteans, all but one of them are still alive. I think that`s what happens when water mages spam Cleansing waters at Ermor. Or, maybe, death mages spam Wither Bones? Anyway, if in couple turns half of them are dead - THEN we are in trouble.

[revenant2]

On another note: Ermor has been quiet.Look ah HoF. Almost exclusively athlanteans, all but one of them are still alive. I think that`s what happens when water mages spam Cleansing waters at Ermor. Or, maybe, death mages spam Wither Bones? Anyway, if in couple turns half of them are dead - THEN we are in trouble.

Bone Daddy is just a simple lich, trying to make his way in a cruel, hostile world where everyone wants to destroy him. Luckily, he's immortal, so dying isn't a big deal, but it still isn't very much fun -- especially when he got eaten by a fish many turns ago. That was a bad one. We never did find his right hand. You know how hard it is to summon a Dusk Elder with one hand? He ended up summoning a pair of camels and a penguin by accident until we took a hand of slave and sewed that one on instead. That worked pretty well, but it looks funny since the slave was a giant so now Bone Daddy has a massive left hand. Just today he nearly pulled his own head off when he scratched his chin.

[schoelle]

Thanks for telling us in advance. I'll go look for a sub for you, if that's alright.

Thanks - anything you need from me, or can the sub just take over?

[Legendary League]

I'll post up an ad for it. If you can, write a PM to whoever is subbing for you for the time being, explaining your position, your goals, what's going down right now, relevant intel, etc.. Once I find one, ofc. ;)

[Legendary League]

I haven't gotten a response on the sub yet. In the event we cannot find one, would everyone be alright with two turn extensions covering the time of his AFK?

[parone]

whatever everyone needs. i just hope everyone doesn't bail on this game. even though i am gonna die, i am really enjoying it. shard and i are havin an old fashioned street brawl.

[revenant2]

I haven't gotten a response on the sub yet. In the event we cannot find one, would everyone be alright with two turn extensions covering the time of his AFK?

We're cool with this from the land of the dead.

[mattyburn7]

Yea. 2 delays are fine if need be. Rather that than stales.

[revenant2]

While we're waiting, I've started posting my AAR at http://devnada.wordpress.com/bsod/

I've been keeping notes and screen-shots as I've been playing each turn, although I haven't published anything to avoid giving away too much of my position. However, we're late enough in in the game, that it would be of dubious tactical value.

I plan to update it periodically, although I'll probably stay about 30 turns behind -- possibly longer depending on time constraints.

[HoleyDooley]

Delays are fine with me also.

Certainly one of the most interesting games I have been in.

Ermor lives and is getting stronger.....death to the ...ah...errr...death to those guys that are already dead I guess!!!!!

[parone]

enjoying your AAR revenent. wish i could have got near enough to you to have made a guest appearance...

[Legendary League]

I doubt I'll have even a single appearance this game, being on the opposite side of the map (and likely going to have it handed to me by Bogarus's ridiculously large [and expendable] communions coupled with his thugs).

[Russian_Comrade]

Oh. And I am going to try to make this AAR even more interesting! Stay tuned!

Also - I'm having some problems with llamaserver. Sent my 2h file - no response from server.

[mattyburn7]

I saw someone else post something similar earlier today and it finally went through. I've had occasional lags like this in the past (about 5 to 10 minutes until response). Also though have had an occasional where it just disappears. Or of course it could be down. I usually assume it disappears and just resend. Won't hurt.

Current Time on llamaserver is correct. Usually when it is down that clocks is also wrong.

[Legendary League]

It means that the servers are down temporarily (if you checked the game page, it hadn't updated for awhile. It has updated now, so you should've gotten it.

[Shardphoenix]

Marignon? Rlyeh? Are you here? Only two hours left!

[parone]

shard, i must say, chasing you raiders in my interior has been the single most frustrating experience of my short dominions career. you are simply a better guesser than i am!:mad:

it appears you will win this war eventually, but god i hope i can catch those guys and kill them all!!! it's be at least a minor victory.

[Shardphoenix]

LOL, just as planned. I think, they`ve already paid for themselves... Several times.

[Shardphoenix]

And if you think this was frustrating - you`ve never chased EA Caelum Eagle King. Those guys FLY. 3 provinces/turn. While being able to single-handedly clean 20 PD. And they have MR 18, so you need penetration items to reliably mindhunt them, even if you have good astral.

[Shardphoenix]

Looks like Rlyeh player has abandoned us without a notice.

[Legendary League]

He has staled quite abit. I've sent him a PM to see if he's still playing.

If he's not, I'll look for either a sub or set him AI. I believe it'd be better to find a sub.

[HoleyDooley]

Yeah thats Blubbernaught!!!!! He recently bailed on another game I am in without notice. Gotta love these wankers.

No manners at all. Just remember his name for future reference NOT to allow into a game.

[Shardphoenix]

Yeah thats Blubbernaught!!!!! He recently bailed on another game I am in without notice. Gotta love these wankers.

No manners at all. Just remember his name for future reference NOT to allow into a game.
Oh, so he`s a known staler?
Then how about we start looking for a sub right now?

[revenant2]

Yeah thats Blubbernaught!!!!! He recently bailed on another game I am in without notice. Gotta love these wankers.

No manners at all. Just remember his name for future reference NOT to allow into a game.
Oh, so he`s a known staler?
Then how about we start looking for a sub right now?

Bone Daddy is growing anxious from his desolate wasteland waiting for the strange tentacle monster to take it's turn. He agrees that a sub would be a good idea, although something may have happened to the void, i.e., the internet, or spaceship, i.e., his computer, that's preventing the many tentacled one from taking it's turn. Bone Daddy hears this can sometimes happen to certain soon-to-be enslaved mortals. Perhaps we should get a temporary sub in case he returns?

[Legendary League]

I'll search for a temp sub at this point. Temporary/semi-permanent.

[Knai]

Semi Permanent (maybe a month, more if I get horribly massacred in Stumble To Victory, less if I get horribly massacred in this game) sub here. What's the diplomatic background I'm inheriting?

[HoleyDooley]

Hi Knai,

welcome mate, you are in another game with me as well, not sure which one though.

Trust me, this sub is permanent.

Basically the situation is gang up on the Ermor...oh you are a pop killing nation tooooooooo....lol.

I am on the other side of the world, so I think your immediate neighbours would be best suited to help you out.

Oh and thanks for subbing.

[Legendary League]

Alright, basically. A couple major wars going on. Abysia and Ulm v. Ctis, Ermor v. Patala, Atlantis, and perhaps another. Bogarus and Pangaea vs. Me, while Midgard vs. Pangaea.

Bogarus is using Ermor and C'tis as a distraction to continue undisturbed with his 7-8+ forts, and ridiculous research atm.

[parone]

im curious. how is bogarus using c'tis(me) as a distraction? i mean, how distracting can i be? am i distracting in a way, like, a dying dog would be a distraction if he was laying on your porch?

[Knai]

I'm getting some nonsense regarding a CD key violation (which is funny, as I've had no issues in other games and bought the CD), so the latest stale has been caused by that. Hopefully that's the last of this, and future turns will function properly. Though it is questionable how much that will actually help, given the...unique strategy my predecessor was employing. In any case, the transition isn't quite smoothed out yet, but should be soonish, at which point I can take up the position of probably weakest nation until I get out of it.

[Legendary League]

im curious. how is bogarus using c'tis(me) as a distraction? i mean, how distracting can i be? am i distracting in a way, like, a dying dog would be a distraction if he was laying on your porch?
Well, you're the one tying up his neighbors bar me at the moment. Have been for awhile now, so he has free reign to do what he wants/turtle up. :p

I'm getting some nonsense regarding a CD key violation (which is funny, as I've had no issues in other games and bought the CD), so the latest stale has been caused by that. Hopefully that's the last of this, and future turns will function properly. Though it is questionable how much that will actually help, given the...unique strategy my predecessor was employing. In any case, the transition isn't quite smoothed out yet, but should be soonish, at which point I can take up the position of probably weakest nation until I get out of it.
You have time and space, plenty of time and space.

Everyone else is too busy to bother with you. :p

[mattyburn7]

Yes. This is the second time its been said I am using C'Tis, Pangaea, etc. as a distraction. I'm using nobody as a distraction. I did make one post about Ermor. That was it...

I'm just the favorite whipping boy of Marignon :D

[parone]

he does seem to be giving you a lot of grief, matty. i always take that as a compliment, tho

[Legendary League]

Yes. This is the second time its been said I am using C'Tis, Pangaea, etc. as a distraction. I'm using nobody as a distraction. I did make one post about Ermor. That was it...

I'm just the favorite whipping boy of Marignon :D
You're playing Bogarus, I can't not try and stop you from late game domination.

[mattyburn7]

Happy Holidays!!

And a tip of the Hat to Marignon and LL!

[HoleyDooley]

The "banter" between LL and Matty has definitely been worth the price of admission!

I am sure LL is right in what he is saying, but Matt is a master at diplomacy if I may say so.

(Notice careful massaging of both egos so as to be sure not to piss of the eventual winner of that contest.

"In the end Mcloud, there can be only one!"

A fire gem to the first one who can tell me what movie that is a quote from.

Rules: You may call your mother, father, visit the local cinema and ask there, but you cannot use the internet in any form shape or manner!!!!!

[Legendary League]

Tch, Highlander. Duh.

Honestly, there's no need to worry about harming our egos. We've actually had quite the conversation via PM (mostly me caving in and giving him advice on things like Communions, even though it's hugely detrimental to my position as is, especially considering the two/three front war and Bogarus being Bogarus, while being completely untouched early game).

Ah well, c'est la vive, eh? :p

[HoleyDooley]

And the winner is..................... LL.

I was just joshing about the egos, I know Matty better than I know you LL, but I know you are pretty cool when it comes to playing the game in a friendly manner.

I also know your game knowledge leaves me in the dust as well.


Highlander, a classic movie if there ever was one. If you haven't seen it, do your self a favour watch it.

There is also a Highlander 2 and 3. So if you do watch the first one, enjoy it and don't watch the other two, they dishonour the first one they are so bad.

[Shardphoenix]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RnrXiaPVeHY
Highlander 3 is so-so, but second movie was utterly horrible.

[HoleyDooley]

I also heard Highlander #3 was better than #2, but just as you said,I was also told it was just okay. But after watching #2 I couldn't bring myself to watch #3.

[HoleyDooley]

Oh and the music in Highlander #1, all sung by Queen, just rocks.

The album is called Its a Kind of Magic. How many great songs did Queen sing in their career??????

Too many thank goodness, because there is a dearth of similar music today.

Yes yes yes, I know, I am an old fart.

[mattyburn7]

Yea. LL is way all right in my book. I'm even trying to hook him up with some lutefisk.

We've had great PM's back and forth and its all good in my book. If positions were reversed we'd probably both be doing what the other guy is doing now.

LL: You have all the respect in the world from MattyB...NOW START WORRYING ABOUT ERMOR!

And a tip of the hat and a Happy Holidays to Holey and all the other chaps in this game.

Cheers

[Shardphoenix]

NOW START WORRYING ABOUT ERMOR!
I think, Ermor already lost enough momentum in war with Atlantis.
Also, we`re closing to the point in the game, where Wither Bones, Cleansing Water and, eventually, Undead Mastery make short work of ermorian legions.

[Legendary League]

Bah, Ermor falls off late quite dramatically with sluggish research *(due to high death gem dependency and all mages being summons) in addition to being very highly counterable with communions, high level battlefield magics, Purgatory, and SCs.

Bogarus is not.

[parone]

LL is most certainly right. bogarus is the real threat. shard, you should turn all your high tech fancy troops west to save the world from bogarus!!!(yeah, i know. not happenin)

[revenant2]

LL is most certainly right. bogarus is the real threat. shard, you should turn all your high tech fancy troops west to save the world from bogarus!!!(yeah, i know. not happenin)

Yes. Yes. Go West. Not South. There's nothing but death, despair, more death, more despair, and lots of dead monkeys to the South.

[Russian_Comrade]

*lurking-in-the-deep mode off*

Hm. What an interesting exchange of opinions.

*lurking-in-the-deep mode on*

[HoleyDooley]

lol...nice one Comrade.

[Knai]

Coming back to pre-Knai R'yleh, did I have any NAP-3s going, or can I be attacked (or attack) anytime? This is of particular note for Marignon, Atlantis, and Midgaard, which are my significant neighbors that I don't really know the diplomatic status off.

Sorry Patala, but you are not counted as significant. I figure you have enough on your hands with Ermor.

[Shardphoenix]

Patala is already AI for several turns. :)

[Knai]

That does explain why they are getting shredded as quickly as they are.

[Russian_Comrade]

Well, it is not the main reason. I mean no offence, but Patala had major problems with strategy.

[Russian_Comrade]

Anyone alive here?

[Legendary League]

Oh, certainly. I just haven't said anything because I've already said everything I've got (Bogarus being big, I'm fighting Pangaea and Bogarus [whose now got another 40 man communion breathing down my neck and is approaching my capital, btw, and people should stop Bogarus before he gets too big, etc]), so any more public diplomacy from me would be rehashed beatings of the longdead horsemen.

I'm delaying the hosting of this turn by a day or two so Hooley will be guaranteed time to turn in his next turn (he asked for a 72 hour turn).

[mattyburn7]

I'm alive too. Just shy. Its been a fun game. its ashame Patala and the first R'lyeh player didn't quite get it together but c'est la vie.

I'm enjoying sparring with LL. a true gentleman as well as a very very strong player.

Its a good group to play with, but most of the games on here have been.

Of course. there are other strong nations out there also.

Also: LL is starting a new LA game. There may be a few openings left. I've grabbed Abysia. Was thinking Chelms or Midgard but they got taken. S'ok though, I was indecisive. Ermor is still open over there if anyone wants it. As well as Bogarus if anyone wants to play the nation you hear so much about on this board.

[mattyburn7]

In other random news:
-Pangaea continues to fight both Midgard and Marignon
-Ermor is massing about 3000 troops that have full bellies of Monkey brains. Looks like Abysia is trying to hold them off.
-Weather has gotten awfully nice here. Allergies are killing me though.
-My boys just turned 4. WooHoo.
-I hate printer issues. If I had to deal with those all day I'd become a hermit or a monk.
-Having a blast playing MP. Where was this when I was younger and actually had time on my hands!
-I bet there are no allergy issues in Ermor.
-Keep looking at the world a little bit askew
-Need to learn more about lutefisk.

Cheers!

[revenant2]

In other random news:
-Pangaea continues to fight both Midgard and Marignon
-Ermor is massing about 3000 troops that have full bellies of Monkey brains. Looks like Abysia is trying to hold them off.
-Weather has gotten awfully nice here. Allergies are killing me though.
-My boys just turned 4. WooHoo.
-I hate printer issues. If I had to deal with those all day I'd become a hermit or a monk.
-Having a blast playing MP. Where was this when I was younger and actually had time on my hands!
-I bet there are no allergy issues in Ermor.
-Keep looking at the world a little bit askew
-Need to learn more about lutefisk.

Cheers!

Abysia isn't holding off Bone Daddy, it's Bone Daddy who's holding off Abysia! Abysia is the one who seized Armavir from us and has been reinforcing it ever since. This is a shame since the Armavirans were most eager to join Bone Daddy's great rapture (also known as Armageddon by you non-believers) after we liberated it from Patala.

However, Bone Daddy isn't bothered since sometimes it's nice to know that someone else cares about our desolate lands as much as we do, and Abysian flesh does taste pretty yummy. It's not quite like Monkey Brains, but it has a very distinctive smoky flavor that many of us enjoy -- and we seem to have run out of monkeys down here.

Bone Daddy will confess: He was quite dissapointed that Abysia didn't accept our invitation and venture further South to join us in a great feast we were planning at our capital. We brought lots of plates, pots, and a several very large cauldrons, but our entree never showed up :(

One of my enterprising Dusk Elders thought that if they wouldn't come join us, then why don't we come up to them?! Bone Daddy was like, "Brilliant! Round everyone up and bring your forks and spoons -- we're headed North!"

[mattyburn7]

Glad to hear you decided to invade the north. Guess it got kind of boring down south...what with all those dead monkeys and dead grass and just about dead everything. I suspect you are bringing a friend along too perhaps? The more the merrier.

Just please bring some air freshener along. I've heard y'all have a bit of an odor about you!

[revenant2]

Glad to hear you decided to invade the north. Guess it got kind of boring down south...what with all those dead monkeys and dead grass and just about dead everything. I suspect you are bringing a friend along too perhaps? The more the merrier.

Just please bring some air freshener along. I've heard y'all have a bit of an odor about you!

That's my natural musk. All the undead ladies love it.

[Knai]

In other random news:
-Pangaea continues to fight both Midgard and Marignon
-Ermor is massing about 3000 troops that have full bellies of Monkey brains. Looks like Abysia is trying to hold them off.
-Weather has gotten awfully nice here. Allergies are killing me though.
-My boys just turned 4. WooHoo.
-I hate printer issues. If I had to deal with those all day I'd become a hermit or a monk.
-Having a blast playing MP. Where was this when I was younger and actually had time on my hands!
-I bet there are no allergy issues in Ermor.
-Keep looking at the world a little bit askew
-Need to learn more about lutefisk.

Cheers!

Some of this data is a bit off.
-Ermor is massing about 8,000 troops, and has another 5,000 nearby. On the other hand, Abyssia is pretty good at chaff clearing, so who's winning this war is actually kind of questionable.
-You don't need to learn more about lutefisk. You don't want anything to do with lutefisk. Screw lutefisk.

[Legendary League]

Fish marinated and aged with lye, containing traces of arsenic. Sounds really appetizing to me.

Which reminds me... (http://satwcomic.com/nordics-like-fish)

[revenant2]

In other random news:
-Pangaea continues to fight both Midgard and Marignon
-Ermor is massing about 3000 troops that have full bellies of Monkey brains. Looks like Abysia is trying to hold them off.
-Weather has gotten awfully nice here. Allergies are killing me though.
-My boys just turned 4. WooHoo.
-I hate printer issues. If I had to deal with those all day I'd become a hermit or a monk.
-Having a blast playing MP. Where was this when I was younger and actually had time on my hands!
-I bet there are no allergy issues in Ermor.
-Keep looking at the world a little bit askew
-Need to learn more about lutefisk.

Cheers!

Some of this data is a bit off.
-Ermor is massing about 8,000 troops, and has another 5,000 nearby. On the other hand, Abyssia is pretty good at chaff clearing, so who's winning this war is actually kind of questionable.
-You don't need to learn more about lutefisk. You don't want anything to do with lutefisk. Screw lutefisk.

Bone Daddy doesn't have enough fingers and toes left to count past 12, but we're pretty sure it's closer to a million. Yeah. A million! Look upon my mighty horde, mortals, and despair!

[Legendary League]

And then someone casts Purgatory when your horde is in Dom-10 territory.

[mattyburn7]

I may need a 24/36 hr extension this weekend. I'll know for sure at the end of the day today.

LL: If I need to extend is it ok if I do it and post here?

If I don't need it. I'll post here also so y'all know.

Thanks!

[Legendary League]

You can if you want to. :p

Either way, you'll probably be the host in a few more turns.

[mattyburn7]

I was able to get my turn in tonight...So we are right on schedule.

[Russian_Comrade]

I'm asking for 24h delay. I have some trouble back at home, inheritance-related. Sorry, guys.

[mattyburn7]

No problem. LL. I'll go ahead and extend. If you need more time just let us know. I was probably going to need an extension also anyway.

[HoleyDooley]

I'm asking for 24h delay. I have some trouble back at home, inheritance-related. Sorry, guys.

Hey mate, remember me?

Its me! Your cousin Vinnie!

Hey, I just happen to be a bit short this week..........

[Legendary League]

I'm asking for 24h delay. I have some trouble back at home, inheritance-related. Sorry, guys.

Hey mate, remember me?

Its me! Your cousin Vinnie!

Hey, I just happen to be a bit short this week..........
Is this a My Cousin Vinny reference?

[HoleyDooley]

LOL..yes (spelling aside that is) and no, the character was but no direct quote from the movie...lol.

I haven't seen it in a long while and I guess its time for me to watch it again.

Lack of movies today where characters are larger than life.

Vinny, was definitely larger than life.

Joe Pesci made a number of good movies or appearances in movies, one which I think is under rated was him in "The Super". It came out the year before My Cousin Vinny.

Classic Pesci.