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[Fyron]

Hey, I just discovered a way that you get get this BB to say that you have made a huge number of Posts. If you delete a post, then the tally doesn't add -1 post, it remains the same. So, you could make a dummy post and then delete it right away. The post wouldn't exist on the BB, but your total number of Posts would increase by one. Just do this as many times as you want, and you could have as many Posts as you want. Personnaly, I would never do this. I discovered it when I made an accidental double post and then deleted it.

[Skulky]

yeah, that would be a little shady. You probably shouldn't have said that as someone is bound to try that soon.

[Puke]

my god, what if there were even MORE generals around here, and i was no longer prestigious? oh wait, im already so non-prestigious that people have voted me so low that my stars dont show up. while you are working on ways for people to get themselves promoted on this board, do you have any idea how i can get myself DEMOTED? well, short of getting myself Banned or re-registering?

[tesco samoa]

just gave you the 5 star treatment.

I guess giving a one star would be a face wash. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/confused.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif

[mac5732]

Puke, did you ever ck with Richard to find out why your stars don't show up???, also maybe they should add Brig Gen, Maj Gen, Lt. Gen etc, or maybe Navy ranks since SEIV is a space navy going game.....

just some ideas mac

[Baron Munchausen]

<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by mac5732:
Puke, did you ever ck with Richard to find out why your stars don't show up???, also maybe they should add Brig Gen, Maj Gen, Lt. Gen etc, or maybe Navy ranks since SEIV is a space navy going game.....

just some ideas mac<hr></blockquote>

There are profile settings that can control whether your stars appear and maybe whether your rank appears. I haven't looked lately. It's not all that important to me. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

[ 15 January 2002: Message edited by: Baron Munchausen ]</p>

[Puke]

i did check with Richard, but never got an answer. for some reason, i think he thought i was a wiseass. my profile settings were the first thing i checked, and it has always (still is) set to make my rating publicly viewable.

Whats even WORSE is that for some godawful reason, im up to 2.95 which is rounding to three stars! i guess i will have to use explitives more #$%^ing often so that people will vote me down again. (not like it would make a difference since my rating isnt showing up)

maybe they made it invisible on purpose so they would not be encouraging me.

[Fyron]

<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>while you are working on ways for people to get themselves promoted on this board, do you have any idea how i can get myself DEMOTED?<hr></blockquote>

I was NOT working on ways for people to have self-promotions. I discovered it accidentally. I posted it so that maybe some Shrapnel tech guy will see it and figure out some way to solve it. Maybe deleting a post should lower your # of Posts by 1. Or, maybe you could be allowed to make a free post-deletion once or twice a month, so that people that need to legitimately delete a post can do so.

And Puke, I'll give you a 1 star rating. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

[Puke]

right on, Imperator. Thanks!

i dont think shrapnel has a whole lot of control over how the board handles Posts, and if they did its probably not a big priority for them. since its just some canned software from infopop, they might not have access to the code. if they do, i can imagine that writing the next 'sarge' article and publishing the next Airborne 101 scenario are a touch more significant than helping us enforce our imaginary little ranks http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

its a good idea though, maybe somebody should email the infopop guys about fixing it in the next Version of UBB. everyone and their grandmother uses this software for web Boards, im sure they would appreciate the suggestion. besides, im sure that there is a community out there somewhere, where they actually have to wory about people pulling the very trick you describe.

[Fyron]

I wasn't really worried about people here doing that, I just thought people would like to know about it. The ranks don't really mean sqwuat anyways.

If I could give you more 1's, I'd do it. Hey, I just thought of a circuitous and rather dishonest way of getting your rank average lower. You could create a lot of dummy Users and have each of them rank you with a 1. Not that you, or anybody, should do that. I am just trying to come up with ways to get you that crappy ranking you deserve. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif


Apparently, somebody thinks I am a good contributor and ranked me with a 5 in the past hour or so, cause my average rank rose by 0.3.


[ 16 January 2002: Message edited by: Imperator Fyron ]</p>

[Puke]

anyone who speaks such ill of me deserves a solid vote of confidence. is just good sense. hell, i voted for you. i was actually hoping to find a way to get busted back down to private or something, since my (lack of) stars never seemed to show anyway. I dont want to re-register and loose my swanky handle though.

[Atrocities]

Its called GHOSTING. It is a practice that is despised amoung many forums admins. On one board, I had, as a Moderator, to delete 30 plus members accounts for Ghosting. If one Ghosts by accident, posting a double, then deleting it, then that is understandable. However, if it becomes habit, a sudden and swift reducting in total post count could occur.

Here, its content over post count. Keep that in mind when you Ghost.

[Saxon]

Sorry, I am a bit lost. Why would you want to have lots of Posts next to your name? Sure, you get called a General eventually, but the good posters get a reputation based on what they say, not how many times they open their mouth. For example, I probably have a reputation for being the person with the most Posts who still has to ask newbie questions. And there was that guy a while back who kept posting nonsense and was eventually Banned, he had lots of Posts and no one had any respect for him. It is quality, not quantity.

This whole Ghosting thing frightens me, are there really people who want to look so important that they will create fake Posts? I have not spent much time on other Boards and I know that many people have cited the high quality of this board. Are things really that bad out there? Maybe I do need to get Gold, if only to avoid the Boards of other games!

[Growltigga]

Saxon, I agree with everything you have said. I thought the purpose of forums such as this was for people to have discussions and share knowledge on common interests. I personally cannot believe that people are so petty minded that they resort to ghosting.

Surely the only purpose of ghosting would be to increase your number of Posts and thereby increasing your rank. Does anyone really want to be a general that much? after all, you would only end up being like Puke (NOI puke)

Atrocities, is this really what you have found on other forums and BB's?

[Quikngruvn]

Why anyone would want to bloat their posting stat is beyond me. 'Course, who anyone would want to cheat on PBW is beyond me, also. In any case, as long as the member# stays visible... I'd be suspicious of, say, member #2400 having &gt;2000 Posts after joining two weeks ago (a hypothetical example).

Aside: I want to be just like Puke unless I grow up. I just need to make my jaded cynicism come across as smartass....

Quikngruvn

[ 16 January 2002: Message edited by: Quikngruvn ]</p>

[tesco samoa]

There are alot of Forums out there that suck.

People writing insults and flames etc.....

Forums where people will jump over you because your new and don't have the time and energy to sift through 10000+ Posts to look for an answer to a question.

I will usually read a Forum for a month or so and then decide if I want to join it.

I spent 2 months reading this site before I joined.

I treat Forum's as I treat friendship circles. If it is a group of people who are considerate and think about there actions then I will opt in and see if I am accepted. If not then I do not bother with them nor there forum.

And another thing. When we do job interviews. I always find out peoples handles and what forums they post to and do some searchs on the web to see what there like. As well as a search on their name.

We have actually not hired a few people based on what they wrote on the net. And informed them of that decission.

[mac5732]

I whole hardly agree with Tesco, I enjoy this forum more then any others that I have seen out there. Its definitly a lot (very much so) more friendly and enjoyable. I also read a forum for weeks or months before I join or even post. I found that newbies are usually ignored by most on the forums (there are a few that will talk with you or help you out or even answer you and those I appreciate and thank) but most of the time it appears, in my opinion, a good ole boys club forum, if your not in the group, your not aknowledged or very rarely. I've seen flaming on most of the Boards and this takes away from the honest discussions and the game itself. Ghosting and those who just post to get Ratings up is wide spread, at least on most forums that I have seen,
I must admit, I spend most of my time on this forum because of it and feel that everyone here is professional in their behavior and well, blush, friendly to all who partake in our discussions. I have no problem inviting any of those on this forum to my house for beer/pretzels/gaming etc. (but not all at once, my house is only so big and my %^$#%^& kitchen is still a mess) Flaming has ruined many a forum and I'm glad and happy to see that this is not the case here. D... I usually don't spout off like this, it must be the meds I'm on because of my
(*%%RR^&*&^%$ kitchen) oh well, tks everyone for making this a most enjoyable place to be.. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

just some ideas mac

[Fyron]

So its called ghosting, huh? This forum and the one at the SE Ladder are the only ones that I ever go to, so I don't have much experience with all of that dishonesty and flaming and such. I am pretty sure that nobody here would do this, which is why I brought it up.

[Puke]

the rest of the internet really is a nasty place. part of the problem is the petty **** that people have described. flame wars, petty bickering, ghosting, juvinile hacking attempts. the other part of the problem is a direct result from the above. on 'civilized' Boards and chat Groups, people are so paranoid about flaming and all the other problems, that everyone walks on pins and needles.

its like everyone just got out of a sensitivity training class, and if someone says something even remotely cynical or negative without two preceding paragraphs qualifying the remark and indicating that they dont want to hurt anyones feelings, then everyone will jump up and accuse them of flaming, or being rude. and before you know it they have been Banned for suggesting that organic is an overpowered trait, because someone thought that an organic players feelings might get hurt.

yes ladies and gentlemen, the internet sucks. you should all be very glad that this board exists, even if you do have to put up with me. all in all, i think the world would be a much healthier place if we all turned off our computers for a moment and went out for a walk to mug random strangers in the park.. now wheres my ASP baton?

[Gryphin]

Puke and folks, I do know what you mean about overkill niceness. In an adult board I frequent, a person was chastised for using the phrase, "Circle the Wagons" as it was a tactic used against the Native American Indians. I pointed out that the tactic goes back to the earlyest of trade caravans and even today is is used when surrounded. Needless to say, you will not be surprised to find I was sent a private warning by the moderator to watch what I say. Go Figure.
I want to thank Puke for all the helpful post he makes in the SE IV forum. &lt; bemused grin &gt;

[Growltigga]

what does 'adult board' mean?? I hope it has a different meaning in the US to what it impplies under UK parlance!!

[Gryphin]

"adult board" refers to discussion of intimate human interaction. If I'm not doing "it", I might as well talk about it. I guess I could have / should have ommited the type of board.

[Growltigga]

eeek!!

[mac5732]

My goodness, and with all the young ones on the board to, where's the censor when you need one. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

just some ideas mac

[Puke]

hey, its all fine as long as your not pretending to be a young woman. or young man, for that matter. thats another reason the internet sucks.

[Growltigga]

<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by mac5732:
My goodness, and with all the young ones on the board to, where's the censor when you need one. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif <hr></blockquote>

I dont know, the youth of today - I have just spent the afternoon wandering how and why the phrase 'circle the wagons' has relevance upon an 'adult' site http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif my mind is boggled http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/confused.gif

[Growltigga]

puke, you are dead right

[dmm]

Gryphin, that story is the essence of what's wrong with America. We've got everything backwards. We have forums specifically set up to freely talk about sex with total strangers, but you can't say anything that's even remotely politically incorrect. (Now I'll probably get Banned for implying that something is immoral.)

Getting back on topic, I notice that my # of Posts is almost equal to my member #. Coooooool! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

[mac5732]

Growltigga, you have a good point, what the heck, does "circle the wagons" refer to, hmmmm, don't ever remeber hearing that one before and I've been on this earth awhile now, now my curiosity is up and running every which way, I think some studious scientific research into this is called for to,ahmmm,aa,hmmm, to facilitate information for purely the most scientific of reasons of course... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon6.gif

Back to topic, I don't understand why the number of Posts means so much to some people on the Boards? Its a nice touch, along with various ranks, which only means that they have been active in that forum and gives a little boost in morale, but some people really are/get hung up on this and I mean realllly hung up. Don't understand it. I like the idea but not to the point of ghosting/etc to boost my numbers. makes no sense, oh well, maybe its my age showing http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/confused.gif

just some ideas mac

[Gryphin]

Hmm, Sociology, Defensive Tactics, and Galactic Conquest. I guess this is not too far Off Topic.
"Circle the wagons" Historically was a form of defense used against bandits / marauders and such. Used in the colloquial it means a group of people banding together to support or protect each other. In the case I was referring to, one of the participants on that board used the expression to explain the actions of the group and its response to a perceived "attack" on them. Someone else "corrected" her because that was how wagon trains of the settlers in the "American West" would defend themselves against the Indians and it might offend a Native American. Side note: The spell check in MS Word capitalized “Indians”. Go Figure.

[Growltigga]

Mac, it is not your age as I think I am considerably younger than you and I don't see any point in ghosting - that really has to be the most non-productive pointless pathetic time wasting exercise humanity has dreamed up since line dancing.

With regard to the research, you are right. I am still in the office (21.02 Manchester time, now been in the office for 36 hours non-stop for a deal that is completing tomorrow morning - cue pity from all forum lurkers http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif ) - a lot of the time we are waiting for comments to come in from other lawyers and so far, the topic of this afternoon's chat is 'circle the wagons' and how it relates to, well, enough said.

Save for a few choice and exceptionally creative (and probably anatomically impossible) comments, the finest legal minds money can buy cannot work this one out. There are now 8 of us in the office on this deal and none of us can work it out! do we tell the client this is costing him about $3000 per hour?

This is bugging me but as puke said, if it isnt illegal, who cares

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

[Growltigga]

Gryphin, our Posts obviously crossed and all I can say is that I am deeply scarred and shocked by your clarification.

The least you could do is made something really juicy up to get myself and Mac all suitably wound up and excited. I now have to go and see 7 other lawyers and explain to them that 'circle the wagons' was no more than a description of the defensive posture of your group's mentality - can I emphasise that some of these guys, including a senior partner who has probably not come into close contact with another human being for at least 12 years, have been pondering on this all afternoon - some of them have even been using slide rules!!!

&lt; wry grin so wide my head is threatening to end up looking like a flip top bin &gt;

mate, many thanks for making our afternoon a fair bit happier

[ 17 January 2002: Message edited by: Growltigga ]</p>

[Gryphin]

Growltigga,
My pleasure to please, I have a lot more where they came from if you like.
&lt; bemused grin &gt; The image a 8 British Solicters pondering an age old caravan tactic and how it could be considered "Politicaly Incorrect" in the USA.
On Topic: My first "handle" here was "Sir Gryphin". This was given to me by a girlfriend, (long story and you don't want to know). I dropped the "Sir" when I noticed that several of the members here were from countries where "Sir" was more of a serious earned title.

[Growltigga]

Well, we knew about the age old caravan tactic and given that of the 8 of us, 2 are royal marines and 1 is an ex-paratrooper, part of the discussion was about the origins of the 'laager tactic' - the general consensus is that it developed from the germanic tribes such as the marcomani and avars who tended to be wagon-nomadic although one smart alec here considers it is chinese in origin

The rest of the discussion is based on what possible 'politically incorrect anatomically impossible' ahem 'act' could be described as a 'circling of wagons' - that discussion is ongoing and I think you have created a monster here

&lt;pause to guffaw mightily&gt; one of the lads has just come up with a suggestion which defies belief - must go

[Growltigga]

<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Gryphin:
Growltigga,
I dropped the "Sir" when I noticed that several of the members here were from countries where "Sir" was more of a serious earned title.<hr></blockquote>

Oh, I don't know that that applies to England any more - I think even Bill Clinton and possibly even Wubbya Bush have been/are going to be made 'sirs' - kind of devalues the whole think - now baron, that is the title for me

'Baron Growltigga of Cheshire' - that I like the sound of

BTW, one of the lads has now raised the 'circle the wagons' issue to the accountants from pricewaterhousecoopers downstairs - they are laughing so hard they need oxygen but the general consensus is that if 8 solicitors and 4 accountants can't come up with a creative description, no-one can

oops, just been told the property consultant is in on it so that is 13 of us

I get the feeling this will keep us going through the night, I hope you dont want royalties!

[Phoenix-D]

"The rest of the discussion is based on what possible 'politically incorrect anatomically impossible' ahem 'act' could be described as a 'circling of wagons' - that discussion is ongoing and I think you have created a monster here "

OK, I did NOT need that image! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Phoenix-D

[Gryphin]

&lt; deep rolling chuckle, mirth emitting uncontrolled &gt; I'll take some of that oxygen.

BTW: have you noticed my number of Posts?

When I think of it, most likely the first group of peoples to have wagons, circled them each night. I'm trying to figure out how to use it in SE IV. The AI seems to only attack from one direction and as such the tatic is uselss

[Gryphin]

And reguarding creating a "Monster". I put my answer in a different thread here.

[DirectorTsaarx]

<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Phoenix-D:
"The rest of the discussion is based on what possible 'politically incorrect anatomically impossible' ahem 'act' could be described as a 'circling of wagons' - that discussion is ongoing and I think you have created a monster here "

OK, I did NOT need that image! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Phoenix-D<hr></blockquote>

If you want an "anatomically possible" Version, just think about the old ice-breaker party-type game where everyone stands in a circle, facing clockwise (or counterclockwise, as long as everyone conforms to the decision), and then sit down on each other's laps...

Or was that too graphic for y'all?

[Phoenix-D]

"Or was that too graphic for y'all?"

That wasn't the image. Excuse me while I go try to forget about it..

Phoenix-D

[DirectorTsaarx]

Just to bring the discussion back out of the gutter for a moment, the only other forum I posted to regularly was fine for a year or so, and then degenerated into an ugly flame-spewing beast with multiple board-crashing hacks per day, many of which ended up being blamed on either myself or my SO, mainly because we met via said forum, and the other regulars got upset and began personally attacking us. So, obviously we were deemed the only ones with a motive to crash the board. Anyway, the situation got so out of hand that eventually the forum was moved to a much more restricted setting (according to a friend of ours who continued to monitor the board from time to time). Not certain if that board still exists...

[tesco samoa]

hour 52 nice.... does that mean the N.A. People cannot take over the board for 8 hours http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Just joking.....

If you want to read up on some good circle the wagons tatics,,,,, check out the Mexican USA war,, or go watch a John Wayne movie.

ANd I hope you finish up soon.

[Growltigga]

actually, I have calculated it and it is hour 56.25 now although my boss says it doesn't count now because I got an hour's power nap since my Last post

who are the N A people? do you mean north american? I think you lot hog the board enough dont you already given that the majority of forumites are north american types!

Just joking back Mr B.....

If anyone wants to read up on good wagon tactics, I suggest any good book on Germano-Roman wars - lots of good stuff about chaining wheels together, that sort of thing

2 more hours then I am going home to have a love affair with my duvet
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[Gryphin]

Power Naps? you get Power Naps? Must be a Solicitor thing.

I learned about fighting against circled wagons when my, (15mm hand painted lead solders), Celts were told by a "trusted ally", the enemey is "just around the bend". My Celts rounded the bend at full charge and took a concentrated volly that left me with one crazy berserk standing. After that incedent I studied up on the correct way to attack in that situation.

I tryed the equivelent of circled wagons, (Tactical), in SE IV Last night. I was out numbered:
11 Light Crusiers with a range 5 direct fire
The AI was using "Butterfly" formation.
weapon. to
6 Frigates CAP SHP MISL range 8
At some point they did suround me to an extent. The advantage to me was the CSMs could reach ships on either side of the battle. The bad part is there was no place to fall back to when the LCs decided to close. I took much heavier losses than if I had used a Wall formation.

[ 18 January 2002: Message edited by: Gryphin ]</p>

[Growltigga]

Gryphin - power naps are a common way to describe anyone asleep at their desk

We are currently thinking of a new description as someone fell asleep at their desk this morning, which was not a problem, until they decided to break wind in their sleep so violently that it went through about 4 tonal changes, Lasted about 12 seconds and was heard by pretty much all 100 people on my floor - power naps does not do that justice? I have also never seen anyone as embarassed as the chap who did this

I cannot believe that you tried to simulate 'circle the wagons' (the clean Version) on SEIV - no wonder you lost

You must remember the old military adage - "never engage in a direct frontal attack against an enemy equipped with efficient projectile weaponry"

or as we say in England

'never enter into an arse kicking contest with a hedgehog'

[mac5732]

Oh me, oh my, I have the same problem as Growltigga, I mentioned "Circle the Wagons" to some of my fellow employees, strictly in the furtherance of science research of course, and the topic spread throughout the department as the #1 topic of the day. Needless to say, numerous descriptions and suggestions, of which I dare not put into print on this board, have been put foreward, some quite interesting and most definitly different, I think some new terminology/procedure has been created in this unique area of ahh, umm, research. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif We could call this the "Gryphon Way", or "Do the Gryphon",
etc. I don't have the heart to tell them the new explanation, its the most motivation and interest I've gotten out of them for some time now, ha, ha)

Growltigga as to age, I'm a young/old 54

As to topic, I quit going to a lot of Boards because of the Flaming, nastiness, etc of numbers of those there. On some all they talked about were number of Posts each had etc, If you asked a legitimate question, you were ignored, never answered, or flamed if you offered an opinion, this is not enjoyable and is a turn off to the site and sometimes even the game. That's what makes this forum so unique. Its the way one should be.

just some ideas mac

[Gryphin]

Growltigga,
1) I know what a "marmot" is though most folks from the USA would not.
2) I always wear heavy boots before entering any arse kicking contest.
3) Not only did I try, but I will try again. Next time it will be with long range direct fire weapons on slow ships. I don't actualy believe it will work, but it will be interesting.

4) Did your equivelent of our Enviormental Protection Agency show up after the "wind breaking incident"?

[Growltigga]

Gryphin

funny about that, marmots are indigenous to the USA and I beleive are predominant on the Pacific West Coast - but a hedgehog is not like a marmot - hedgehogs are cute and much smaller Versions of porcupines hence the reference to effective projectile weapons

I too always wear heavy boots before entering any arse kicking contest but also have all the cushions from my sofa stuffed down the back of my troUsers

you keep on trying the circle the wagons bit my boy - I will be sure never to be in a situation where your new found military expertise will be of no use

no EPA involvement, just a general sigh of relief that this is a no smoking building

Mac, I am a very geriatric 32 - I am also sulking as the gorgeous young lawyer down the corridor (looks like Claudia Schiffer but with longer legs)has said I look like Shrek!

Hurrah for the lack of flaming on this forum - do you think we can hold an induction and check people out first!?

[Gryphin]

Growltigga,
Over here a marmot is called a Groundhog or Woodchuck and they tend to to be everywhere, (espcialy in your vegetable garden).
You may have no choice as to when you face my circled wagons.
My office is so stuffy I can't even tell people I play this game. Mentioning the imaginations of your and Mac's office would get me fired.
Hmm, how about "Gryphin Position", Has a ring to it.

[Growltigga]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Gryphin:
[QB]Growltigga,
Over here a marmot is called a Groundhog or Woodchuck and they tend to to be everywhere, (espcialy in your vegetable garden).

Gryphin - do they taste nice?

You may have no choice as to when you face my circled wagons.

Gryphin - having seen a photo of you in your general custer hat on your website, I can assure you that any indication that your ships are forming a circle will be met by hysterical laughter

My office is so stuffy I can't even tell people I play this game.

Gryphin, why dont you pretend you are into toad sexing and see what that does for them

Mentioning the imaginations of your and Mac's office would get me fired.

Gryphin - dont blame Mac and me, you started this

Hmm, how about "Gryphin Position", Has a ring to it.

Gryphin, I will follow Phoenix D's lead on this, that comment has conjured up an image I really would have preferred not to take with me into the weekend
http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif

[Growltigga]

HURRAH http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

deal completed - I am off home to bed

see y'all round http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon6.gif

[Mephisto]

Oh boys, I love this forum and had a good laugh about these Posts. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Good night, Shrek!

[tesco samoa]

see y'all round ???????????

Country Music Stars will take offence to that.

[Quikngruvn]

Congratulations, Growltigga! So we'll see you again in, what, about three days?

I'm a little confused about the 'circle the wagons' anecdotes. Did so many people really not know what the phrase means (which I would find surprising, and a shame)? Or did most know, but have their minds in the gutter (like, apparently, most people around here http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif )?

Quikngruvn

[mac5732]

Nighty night Growltigga, just remember, They say you usually dream of things said or done during the day, soooooo, look out for the "circle the wagon" or better known as the "Gryphin Position", let alone what you saw on his websight.. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Quickngruvn, you will have to ask The Gryphin, like Growltigga said, he started it.....

I don't know if the studious facilitating of scientific research for the betterment of humanity with the discovery of a new, ahhhh, ummm,
field for study like the "Gryphin Position", would be considered "in the gutter" http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif
"Science must go foreward"

just some ideas mac http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

[ 18 January 2002: Message edited by: mac5732 ]</p>

[Gryphin]

Growltigga, I hope you rested well. This "Semi Off Topic Thread" was a lot of fun. I thank all those who participated and apologize to any that found it inappropriate or annoying.

I will try to stay on topic in the future. To that end, I will start the Topic, "Growtigga vs Gryphin, A Study in SE IV Play by Email and Human Internet Interaction". I will do this after Growtigga wakes up in order to get his agreement on the title.

Moderators:
If you feel a "Grw vs Gyf" is an inappropriate venture, please let me know. I can see one possible negative consequence of this "project". It could lead to several other similar Topics and an increase in web traffic. I don't know what it cost to maintain this forum. If it is based on "Page Hits", this could get excessive.
With all respect,
Steve Goodenough
Jan 20: 10:40 AM
I guess Growtigga is still sleeping or did he leave on that trip yet?
G

[ 20 January 2002: Message edited by: Gryphin ]</p>

[Growltigga]

why bring the conversation out of the gutter?? it was just getting interesting

I still havn't gone home yet - it is 12.30 and I have now been in the office for 52 hours - cue sympathy bid http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif

I think we finally got to a conclusion on what 'circle of wagons' means at about 04.30 this morning - unfortunately, given the high standards of this forum, I cannot reveal our conclusion to anyone who is not over 85 or preferably dead. Let it just be said that I am going to be nervous around marmite from now on and have some rather ambivalent feelings about cucumbers

DirectorTsaarx - I think you have summed up the millennium internet experience - teddy bears at dawn as we would say over here, a lot of people throwing toys out of prams - children, the whole lot of them

At least this site does seem to be frequented by people who are military history and science fiction buffs, are good natured, are interesting and at the end of the day, just want to talk about a shared passion ie SE

As Mac said, I dont think thre is anyone posting on this site I wouldn't be happy to have a glass of chablis with, even Puke! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

[Growltigga]

<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by [K126]Mephisto:
Good night, Shrek!<hr></blockquote>

Mephisto - long legged Claudia Schiffer lookalikes can say I look like 'Shrek'

if you dont fall into this Category, you cannot

NB this has now raised another image I dont want to think of http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif

[Growltigga]

<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by tesco samoa:
see y'all round ???????????

Country Music Stars will take offence to that.<hr></blockquote>


TS - good, one of few pleasures I have in life is insulting clowns and abusing country and western stars!

IMO, Nashville being hit by a meteor would count as gentrification

the only country music stars I like are Shania Twain and Faith Hill in each case provided they keep their cakeholes closed

[Growltigga]

<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Quikngruvn:
Congratulations, Growltigga! So we'll see you again in, what, about three days?

[No - about 9 hours after my wife decided she wanted picking up from a drunken girl's night out]

I'm a little confused about the 'circle the wagons' anecdotes. Did so many people really not know what the phrase means (which I would find surprising, and a shame)? Or did most know, but have their minds in the gutter (like, apparently, most people around here http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif )?

[No we all knew about the defensive tactic employed by people who were predelected to employed transverse wheel mounted mobile storage and transportation equine-powered vehicles, it was hopw this phrase translated into the sort of thing discussed on 'adult' websites]

Quikngruvn<hr></blockquote>

[Growltigga]

<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by mac5732:
Nighty night Growltigga, just remember, They say you usually dream of things said or done during the day, soooooo, look out for the "circle the wagon" or better known as the "Gryphin Position", let alone what you saw on his websight.. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif
<hr></blockquote>

Mac, just dont ask, some things man is not meant to experience http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif

[Growltigga]

Gryphin,

Nah, unfortunately not asleep and have left on that trip - bit strange posting on the forum when I am about 1,200 miles away fromm where I usually sit - weird

"Growtigga vs Gryphin, A Study in SE IV Play by Email and Human Internet Interaction"??? - far too intelligent a title IMO, how about 'Idiots Abroad' or 'carpet burns - fact or friction?'?

Have you heard from the Moderators yet?

[Mephisto]

<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Growltigga:

Mephisto - long legged Claudia Schiffer lookalikes can say I look like 'Shrek'
if you dont fall into this Category, you cannot<hr></blockquote>

Well, I'm afraid I don't fall into the Claudia Schiffer Category so I should not call you "Shrek". Then again, you can't do anything about it. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

[Growltigga]

fair comment Mephisto, I cannot do anything about it other than cry

you never though, I might this very minutes be lurking somewhere in Germany not too far away from you - scary thought

[tesco samoa]

Nothing really to add.

Just wanted to say that this is one of the most *&&^^%$ threads going.

Ha Ha Ha.

Cannot stop laughing.

I take it Claudia Schiffer looks alot different now than in the guess jeans days ??

[Growltigga]

<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by tesco samoa:
Nothing really to add.

Just wanted to say that this is one of the most *&&^^%$ threads going.

<hr></blockquote>

Tesco, what does "*&&^^%$" mean? is it Canadian slang for something like 'as much fun as snogging moose?'

Claudia still doesn't look too bad although her taste in men appears to be a bit spurious (David Copperfield??)

[Puke]

mmmmm. guess jeans. . .

i would not mind having circled her wagon back then.

[Growltigga]

PLEAASSSEEEE

CAN WE HAVE NO MORE REFERENCES (SLY, IMPLICIT, EXPLICIT OR OTHERWISE) TO "CIRCLING WAGONS"

Some things are best left alone

[Gryphin]

Growltigga,
No word from Moderators. I interpret that as a "GO". I think the Topic should include our handles or the intent as I think many people want to follow our banter. I doubt they care about the game. How about Tigga vs Gryphin?

I won't tell you what one of my dates thought aobut, oh, um, er, me playing against a "Bloody Brit". Yep, that was what I was not going to mention.

Enjoy your trip

[Mephisto]

<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Growltigga:
fair comment Mephisto, I cannot do anything about it other than cry

you never though, I might this very minutes be lurking somewhere in Germany not too far away from you - scary thought<hr></blockquote>

Mmm, I'm going to drive to the Rhein.Main-Airport in 5 minutes so we might meet there in 15 minutes. What do you think? And if you don't like "Shrek", how about being called Fiona? Well, I guess I get the donkey. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

[mac5732]

Growltigga, how does your friend down the hall look in relation to Elizabeth Hurly? She's a hunk

Now as for your supposed trip, you said you were going home to bed earlier, however, this was right after our, aahh, scientific discussion on the new research theory of the "Gryphin Position",
(pretty suspicious you know)
now either
1. you were going home to expostulate on the topic
of our discussion between your legged co-
worker and yourself
2. To see in dream-land the various hypothisis's
in conjunction between the two
3. To complete some studious actual research into
the realm of our discussion
4. Really go to sleep

However, I will defer to the actual discoverer of this new scientific endeavor "The Gryphin" as to which of the above theories fits in relation to further the scientific process. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

just some ideas mac http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

[Gryphin]

mac, In one of his post, Growtigga mentioned going home to "make love to his Duvet". I wonder: What is a "duvet" and How does his girlfriend feel about him doing so.

[mac5732]

Gryphin, hmmmm, your right, I forgot about that, I tried looking Duvet up, but for some reason can't find it, this is getting even more suspicious as we go, I think that this needs to be looked at more carefully, I agree, just what is a Duvet and his relationship to it, versus his girlfriend..and it all started during our innocent discussion concerning scientific research, hmmmmmm, just what is he doing over there???? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/confused.gif

just some ideas mac

[Growltigga]

<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by mac5732:
Growltigga, how does your friend down the hall look in relation to Elizabeth Hurly? She's a hunk

Now as for your supposed trip, you said you were going home to bed earlier, however, this was right after our, aahh, scientific discussion on the new research theory of the "Gryphin Position",
(pretty suspicious you know)
now either
1. you were going home to expostulate on the topic
of our discussion between your legged co-
worker and yourself
2. To see in dream-land the various hypothisis's
in conjunction between the two
3. To complete some studious actual research into
the realm of our discussion
4. Really go to sleep

However, I will defer to the actual discoverer of this new scientific endeavor "The Gryphin" as to which of the above theories fits in relation to further the scientific process. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

just some ideas mac http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif <hr></blockquote>

Mac, you are a dirty old man, I was actually going home to sleep - I think on this occassion, you need to keep 'just some of those ideas' to yourself

[Growltigga]

<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by mac5732:
Gryphin, hmmmm, your right, I forgot about that, I tried looking Duvet up, but for some reason can't find it, this is getting even more suspicious as we go, I think that this needs to be looked at more carefully, I agree, just what is a Duvet and his relationship to it, versus his girlfriend..and it all started during our innocent discussion concerning scientific research, hmmmmmm, just what is he doing over there???? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/confused.gif

just some ideas mac<hr></blockquote>

I would check the Oxford English Dictionary if I were you - "duvet" is a bed covering like a quilt or eiderdown - it has no ahem connotations at all and the phrase 'love affair with duvet' means you really really want to go to sleep

As for Mrs GT, she is always game on when sleeping is mentioned, that girl holds the records for 22 hours spent in bed on one day - I would point out I was about 350 miles away working at this time and yes she was on her own.

Now I think you two perverts need to combine a cold shower with a 3 mile run apiece

[tesco samoa]

(*^(*^ or some other combo is my way of swearing.


Now I have a question. I have to hide it in here because it is a question of ethics and it is about PBEM ethics ( and the person does come to this site every once in a while but only reads pure game Posts )

Now in the PBEM game 3 humans, 9 computer players 12 clusters 1 cluster each. ( designed map. where the humans start in each cornor and there is only one way out of each cluster to the middle cluster and all the middle clusters are connected with each other plus connected to the cluster above and below ( make sence ??)))
Any way it is a designed map.

I am in the top cornor and another human is in the opposite cornor.

At this current time in the game I have a higher level of cloaking than this other pbem player has in scanners. So I was scouting out the cluster below me ( to invade ) and what do I see but the player from far away has moved in and parked a huge fleet in this cluster below me ( 1 3rd of all there ships from what there saying or 100 ships ) Now we have not met yet in the game. But this fleet is just sitting there. This is in the system that links to his area of the map. While he is fighting a war in the cluster above him. This fleet does not move, it just gets ships sent to it to make it stronger.

I think this fleet is waiting in ambush for me. But in the game the player does not know I exist. So technically they should not be doing that.

Now I think that if this is what the player is doing then it is out of context of the game and cheating.

What do you think???

[Gryphin]

Growltigga,
I was re - reading the post, I ran across this,
"You must remember the old military adage - "never engage in a direct frontal attack against an enemy equipped with efficient projectile weaponry"
Yes, I believe the English taught that to the French at Agincourt with the longbow.

[mac5732]

TS, I can think of several possibilities, either one of the other human players or even an AI one, that he has a treaty or partnership with has shown him your part of the map, or one of the players that has a higher cloak then yours found your system and gave him the info without your knowing it, or Last, he is planning a major offensive into the system he is fighting over or planning to invade yours thinking it belongs to the same enemy he is fighting. I don't know if there is a cheat but I guess it could be possible, but you may want to check out the other possiblities first.

PS. Growltigga, I took your advice and indulged myself in a cool shower, after all the illustrious discussions that took place here, it was getting a bit warm and my wife kept asking me why I kept looking at her with a twinkle in my eye all the time,.... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif I took the bull by the horns and put the blame on ..... But it didn't work, after all these years she knows me to well,
ahh, women don't understand the intricacies of scientific debate, research, and experimentation
http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif but like someone once said, "Tommorrow is another Day" heh, heh,

just some ideas mac

[Puke]

ts: is this supposed to be a RP game? if it is not, i would not worry about it at all and start planning for battle. since you have a symetrical map where rough starting positions are known, players are probably taking a pure tactical approach.

he could be doing lots of things with those ships. but if you found them while cloaked and thus avoided diplomatic contact and he is unaware of your existance in a role playing sense, (and IF it has been predetermined as a RP game where players have agreed to pretend not to know about each other until contact has been made) there are a couple possibilities. 1, he heard about your race from some third race. 2, he is 'cheating,' in the loosest interpretation of the word. in the second case, there are a few things you can do: 1, mention it to him and see what he says. 2, mention it to the game admin. 3, take note of whats happening now, and mention it after he sneak attacks you. 4, circle your wagons and prepair to defend yourself.

but if you were not aware of each other before, how do you know the total number of his ships to figure out that this group is 1/3 of that?

[mac5732]

TS, the way you have explained it, I agree that your map starting points is more the problem. It wouldn't matter if he knew exactly where you were. He would know that you started in one of the cornors and he could just build up until he was ready. I think your better off with a game where no one knows where each of you start.

just some ideas mac

[tesco samoa]

he told me he has over 300 ships and this fleet is about 1/3 of that total.

I have decided to take the fleet out since I believe he will keep it stationary near the warp point. So I can build up for another 4 to 6 turns and then send a fleet down there to attack it, before it attacks me.

I think it will only be fair to completely destroy the fleet and then talk about it afterwards and how I thought the 'surprise' was cheating...... then forget about the whole thing as a lession learned, and randomly create maps for now on.

[Growltigga]

TS - I agree with Mac on this but I have to admit, keeping a third of your fleet sitting in an empty system where there is no apparent threat is decidely fishier than a week old herring.

I am personally (given my newness to actually playing SEIV - on turn 32 of my second game) extremely surprised as to the size of the fleet - 300 ships?? I presume these are all dinky types?

[Growltigga]

<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Gryphin:
Growltigga,
I was re - reading the post, I ran across this,
"You must remember the old military adage - "never engage in a direct frontal attack against an enemy equipped with efficient projectile weaponry"
Yes, I believe the English taught that to the French at Agincourt with the longbow.<hr></blockquote>

We did, didn't we? - do you know, it must be something hereditary as everytime I see a Peuguot, Citroen or Renault, I always have an urge to shoot 3 feet of tempered steel and oak through the windscreen - strange that

[tesco samoa]

turn 74 and started with 10 planets. So they are criUsers, carriers, gun ships (350 kg ) and light cruisers. So were looking at 3rd and 2nd rate of the line ships. Battleships and dreadnaughts are starting to come out now.

10 Planet start really speads the game up.

At this point the top players should have almost 2.5 million points.

Those dinky class ships ( 400 kg and under are always useful especially with the defencive bonuses and extra engines )

[Saxon]

TS: As far as the ethical point of view, I think your opponent can be absolved of guilt. When you do a planned map, everyone knows roughly where the other players will be as the set up is supposed to give everyone a decent start. Given that, it would be almost impossible for someone not to let this knowledge influence their plans, short of deliberately putting themselves in a dumb position. Your opponent may have gone farther than others in using this knowledge, but I suspect everyone has used it to some extent.

The option of random starts is not one I like, as you can be given a hopeless position. However, it does avoid the situation of “impossible knowledge”, where people know something about the universe they shouldn’t. It is a trade off.

However, if you do not agree with me letting him off the hook, you can still look forward to administering your sentence and punishment on his fleet. Imagine his face when he opens his turn and finds his mighty fleet turned into a highly radioactive cloud by an invisible enemy. And if you do agree with me, I would still go ahead and hammer his fleet, it is a sound strategic move.

[Phoenix-D]

"I am personally (given my newness to actually playing SEIV - on turn 32 of my second game) extremely surprised as to the size of the fleet - 300 ships?? I presume these are all dinky types?"

Not always. In one game my warp nexus defenses bLasted at least that many AI *dreadnaughts* into gas. Without loosing a unit http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif Favorable rate of exchange indeed..not all at once fortuntely, but one of my allies had over 500 ships; not all dinky by any means.

Phoenix-D

[tesco samoa]

when you say 2nd game do you mean you actually finished a game ??

[mac5732]

TS, I assume that this is a modded game, I've never seen these large of fleets in the original game.

just some ideas mac

[tesco samoa]

We increase units and ships to 5000.

And build build build.

Isn't this the norm out their.

Were talking a 10 planet start.

If it was 1 planet then the ship sizes would be down to about 60 to 80 ships at this point in the game.

3 planets then about at least 100 ships.

Are you saying that you do not build huge fleets????

Were talking Cruisers down here. It is still early in the game.

[Growltigga]

<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by tesco samoa:
If it was 1 planet then the ship sizes would be down to about 60 to 80 ships at this point in the game.
<hr></blockquote>

ah, that puts things into perspective

[mac5732]

I usually play 1 or 3 planets, large, high AI, med bonus, but never tried the 10 planet option yet, but in my games my fleets, later in the game, run 15-25 ships, the AI fleets, I have seen up to 30 but usually no more, most of the time in the 20 range and then they usually split up. This is original, un-modded. In hot seat that I play, the human fleets tend to be bigger but not the AI's, than's one reason I can't wait for the gold, hoping for larger AI fleets and planet invasions by AI (I know, I Know, some of the mods already do this) Just never had time to download a mod yet, another reason waiting for gold, most of them are in it, at least that's what i've heard.

just some ideas mac

[Growltigga]

I did finish a game, or more like I was finished off by a game.

On my first game, I saw a post somewhere here that advised maxxing all the AI benefits to get a challenging game and then played on a small quadrant - the Amon'Krie and Xi'Chung were in systems pretty much adjacent to my own and I got whomped pretty sharpish I can tell you.

Second game is going well thank you

[Growltigga]

<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by mac5732:
in my games my fleets, later in the game, run 15-25 ships, the AI fleets, I have seen up to 30 but usually no more, most of the time in the 20 range and then they usually split up<hr></blockquote>

Mac, I have not got far enough in a game to see anything like an AI fleet of 20+ really, not without some help from me! I normally have 15-25 ships in my fleet which kind of means I generally will 'whomp' (is that the right word?) the AI in all cases.

I would like to know what sort of number of turns you have to get to in order to see large AI fleets with larger than cruiser-sized vessels!

[mac5732]

GT, it depends on what races are in the game, but turn wise, usually 100-150+, also depends on your tech. However, like I said, I have seen these types of fleets, but before you can fight them, they split up into smaller fleets and disperse. Usually I fight AI fleets in the range of 5-11 which usually attack your planets. One thing I have seen is massive ftr attackes. One game the AI launched 121 ftrs against me in one battle, others saw anywhere from 30-100 ftrs again depending on which races involved. I have also seen some difference between patch 1.35 and 1.49 in this regard, less ftrs, missles and more beam type weapons, but massive fleet battles are rare. AI just doesn't do it in original un-modded. That's why I'm looking foreward to the Gold Version hoping this changes. I've had fleets from AI that I had alliances with in range of 20-30 sitting over one of my planets but then they don't do anything, just sit there http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/confused.gif
I don't know if anyone else has seen these things but this is what I have seen.

Also, the AI doesn't build Battlestations very much, usually only around their home planet, but is rare. In old 1.35 did have one game tho, where AI had 4 Battlestations over one of his worlds, quite intereseting, would like to see that more, hopefully the GOLD Version will allow them to do it more.

just some ideas mac

[ 29 January 2002: Message edited by: mac5732 ]</p>

[Growltigga]

Yeah Mac, just say it like it is!!

One day, over the rainbow or otherwise, there will be a game where the AI can doof derriere with the best of them.

I have not downloaded any Mod yet (and actually am not sure how to) but suicide junkie, tesco samoa, phoenix and others have all given useful hints

I still havn't got round to downloading any races which is something I always planned to do

pity that I am such a computer dipstick - that is the disadvantage when you have a whole host of the bespecacled types in the office to deal with any IT Queries for you

One day my prince will come

[tesco samoa]

If I was you growltigga I would figure out how to build and support large fleets of ships quickly.

To win a 4x game that is the key. Out produce the second and third place races combined totals.

U can pump out units any time but ship building must be a constant. I recommend you put 5 ship yard bases above your homeworlds and have them constantly building ships.

And during the first turns build storage devices to collect all that early game production.

That is one of the keys to the game. Storing production in the first 15 turns. Because by turn 15 You should have at least 60 000 of each resource stored up or you will get in production trouble

[Growltigga]

Tesco, cheers for the steer - I do the storage malarkey already but do primarily built mineral storage only

as for building ships, I do have 2 orbital spaceyards above homeworld but I generally only churn out colony vessels (for which I use small transports rather than colony ships as I think they look better)

dont even build any military vessels until I bump into something nasty and green

[mac5732]

Growltigga, just don't build mineral storage,, each race uses up more of a particular resource, example, if you play oraganic, then you will use more organic resources then otherwise, temporal, I believe uses more Radioactives, etc. So see what your traits are, that will determine which way to go in storage, TS gave good advice, if you don't save and build, your in trouble down the line, (remember, you have game coming up with The Gryphin) http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif

PS. unreliable informants report the Gryphin hasn't been on the forum as much because he has been practicing, getting ready for your international challenge http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

just some ideas mac

[ 29 January 2002: Message edited by: mac5732 ]</p>

[Growltigga]

You are right Maccy my boy but I play the unexciting uninteresting Solar Federation aka the Terran Confederation to you lot

By way of special abilities, I dont go for anything exciting like organic, temporal etc just plain ol' fast ships, advanced storage or summat like that, I can't wait until I get the scope on modding so I can come up with the abilities I would choose eg good lawyers (richest race in the galaxy), good drinkers (happiest race in the galaxy) etc

may be you should join in on this game - Guffin may just get all pervy on his tod

[Gryphin]

"Pervy on his tod"? Next GT will think i "gyer and gimble in the wabe".
::Copy and pasting GTs build tactics into SEIV.mdb ::
I shouldn't give him this tip:
One use for stored Organics is to trade them for Minerals. Most races I've met will do it every time. It helps if you give them 5% extra in the swap.
Sitting here wondering if those are GTs true play styles.

[mac5732]

GT, I thank you for the gratuitous generoisity offer to partake in the international scene. However, I must demur at the present time, The Challenge was legally and justly given and accepted, therefore, I shall await the outcome along with everyone else who has been following this raising in crescendo of the beginnings of an international incident. Possibly when you two have completed bashing each other, I and maybe TS, Director Tsaarx, PheonixD & some of the others may get together with both of you to enlighten the prospects of the game. I look foreward to hearing the renditions of the turn by turn bout.

Gryphin, The Hood sank because it wasn't armored enough and the magazines were put in poor locations.

just some ideas mac

[Gryphin]

mac, I know, (i was razzing GT). still, it was very accurate shooting on the part of the Bismark.

[tesco samoa]

I'm in. Looks like some good roll playing....

[Gryphin]

Me too, i like the idea. The interplay should be very interesting.

[Growltigga]

Count me in although I may need to arrange for khanuk or someone to play some of my turns - I have just got my work allocation for the next 3 months and I calculate I will be at home, with Mrs GT in sunny England for a grand total of 3 and one half of those 12 weeks - looks like I am going to have to let Mrs GT burn that pLastic to make up for this

[tesco samoa]

next turn..................the battle. he has 208 ships sitting there......................

[Suicide Junkie]

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif Quick, save that replay! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif I wanna see!

[Puke]

<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by suicide_junkie:
http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif Quick, save that replay! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif I wanna see!<hr></blockquote>

i hope you mean the combat and not the pLastic-burning

[tesco samoa]

how do you save a replay.

[tesco samoa]

there was sarcasm in that Last post.

Can't give away game secrets.

Lets just say that Organic weapon only ships have a big problem with the 2x load time where as a apb ship with a reload time of 1 will kick some @#$. Especially when there are 170 of them.

[Suicide Junkie]

Save the whole turn, so we can look at the battle once it it is old enough to become a "historical documentary".

[tesco samoa]

scratch 208 ships....

looks like someone set him up with the bomb!

Victory in the first battle.

He attacked me and I informed all the other players that he did it without declaring war etc....

Playing an honourable race.

Now to kick some a5

[tesco samoa]

Man another 80 ships and 7 planets later. I think I am getting involved in a slugging match.

I am thinking that I should get out of this before the counter strike happens.

Just before I destroyed his fleet I sent this message

The Royal Court of The Xeragtok Hive Directive 1

TO General Supreme Sessath of The Vrok Expansion

The Xeragtok Hive wish to determine the Vrok Expansion's wishes in the formation of a friendship
between our Cultures
The Xeragtok Hive wish to set up trading routes and Empire Boarders.
The Xeragtok Hive wish to apologise for the destruction of Vrok Expansion's Gun ship class Ship and are willing
to compensate the Vrok Expansion for this loss.
In light of these Requests we must add the following requests due to the current War between
the Xi-Chung and the Xeragtok Hive.
The Reliquia Expansion is currently under dispute between the Xi-Chung and the Xeragtok Hive.

The following activities will be seen as an act of aggression against the Xeragtok Hive and the Xeragtok Hive Imperial Fleet

1. Any Fleet build ups within 60 light years of the Reliquia System and current Xeragtok Hive controlled space.
2. Any Fleets / ships / units located within legally disputed space between the Xeragtok Hive and the Xi-Chung
3. Any industrial sabotage and / or any other intelligent gathering activities against the Xeragtok Hive
4. Selling arms and /or supporting the Xi-Chung empire in the war with the Xeragtok Hive

Es ist ein Fruhling ohne Ende


He replied with nothing ( P.S. I am playing a honorable Subjected Peaceful Race )

So the turn his fleet attacked me I sent this

The Royal Court of The Xeragtok Hive Directive 1.1

TO General Supreme Sessath of The Vrok Expansion

The Xeragtok Hive wish to determine the Vrok Expansion's wishes in the formation of a friendship
between our Cultures
The Xeragtok Hive wish to set up trading routes and Empire Boarders.
The Xeragtok Hive wish to apologise for the destruction of Vrok Expansion's Gun ship class Ship and are willing
to compensate the Vrok Expansion for this loss.
In light of these Requests we must add the following requests due to the current War between
the Xi-Chung and the Xeragtok Hive.
The Reliquia Expansion is currently under dispute between the Xi-Chung and the Xeragtok Hive.

The following activities will be seen as an act of aggression against the Xeragtok Hive and the Xeragtok Hive Imperial Fleet

1. Any Fleet build ups within 60 light years of the Reliquia System and current Xeragtok Hive controlled space.
2. Any Fleets / ships / units located within legally disputed space between the Xeragtok Hive and the Xi-Chung
3. Any industrial sabotage and / or any other intelligent gathering activities against the Xeragtok Hive
4. Selling arms and /or supporting the Xi-Chung empire in the war with the Xeragtok Hive
5. Non-Removal of all ships in the Srutu system.
6. Attack on any Xeragtok Hive Imperial Ships in the Srutu system

Es ist ein Fruhling ohne Ende

Still no reply

After His fleet was destroyed and the two planets in that system I sent this

The Royal Court of The Xeragtok Hive Directive 1.2

TO General Supreme Sessath of The Vrok Expansion

The Xeragtok Hive wish to determine why the Vrok Expansion acted aggressively against the Xeragtok Hive
The Xeragtok Hive wish to determine why the Vrok Expansion attacked the Xeragtok Hive Imperial Fleets
located at 10,0 Scrutu System without a formal decoration of war.
The Xeragtok Hive wish to determine why the Vrok Expansion deployed mines at the following location 10,0 Scrutu System
The Xeragtok Hive seek payment for the loss of ships and personal at the First Battle of the Srutu System from the
Vrok Expansion

Until these requests are made or solved diplomatically a state of open hostilities will exist between the Xeragtok Hive
and the Vrok Expansion.
During this time all Vrok Expansion property will be destroyed and/or confiscated.

Denn am Xeragok Wesen soll die Welt genesen


So I attacked his system and after destroying another fleet of 80 ships and a few planets I finally received a reply ( P.S. He is playing a subjected constantly in a state of rebellion with different fractions taking over )

"General Sessath of the Glorious Vrok Expansion demands the Head of your Emperor King Xexre. However many in the Vrok Empire grow weary with Sessath's rule and believe that his past dealings with your empire have been unfair.

We are prepared to listen to your account of the vicious attacks on three of our ships near the Surtu System by your Fleet that has brought about this ugly war and massive loss of life. If your account of the attacks is satisfactory we can use this information in an attempt to overthrow General Sessath as leader of the Assembly. A strong ally may be enough to persuade other members of the Assembly to speak up agianst Sessath.

If you chose to continue to on your present course of action...slaughtering the innocent people of our outer colonies. We shall bring justice upon you. That is not the path we wish to take, but we will if you force our hand."


My reply was


The Royal Court of the Xeragtok Hive Directive 1.3
TO General Supreme Sessath of The Vrok Expansion
The Xeragtok Hive deal in political matters only with heads of state

Internal rebellion must be crushed.

It has come to our knowledge that a rebellion is underway in your outer systems

Peasants must be subjugated without remorse.

We will destroy these planets within range of our fleets why we wait for a response to directive 1.1 and 1.2


Ha Ha Ha

Honorable Subjected Race Reply....

Cannotwait to see his reply..

I think he will role play out a rebellion.

[Quikngruvn]

Hee hee! Gotta love good politicalspeak. It sure beats 'Go away before I thwack you'...

Quikngruvn

[mac5732]

Since the sultry obomination race sees fit to continue to embrace expansion into your legitimate backyard, I would suggest that you call upon any alliances that you may have to declare a joint venture into showing these obscure and misinformed malcontents the error of their misbeguided endeavors.

(I would also send in plague bombs in cloaked ships to his core worlds/steal some of planets,
and just give him an old fashion thrashing) http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

just some ideas mac

[Cyrien]

The plague bomb is such a lovely device... doesn't really seem fitting for an honorable race though.

*goes back to lurking*

[mac5732]

In the higher reaches of ones ultimate goal, to fight an honorable war is to do so with as little or no cost to ones race by following the Code. Sufficient warning has been issued as to the consquences of certain actions that have brought your people to the possibility of extinction or enslavement. Therefore, the honorable thing is to ensure your peoples survival. Honor causes one to issue a warning as to possible consquences. That has been done, thus honor has been satisfied. The plague bomb is a tool to ensure a fast and quick end to the ravages of your people and planets by those with less then honor, ensuring that after their demise, certain planets shall be brought under you influence in the form of colonies with as little damage as possible to propigate the furtherance of your race. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

just some ideas mac

ps; Klingons fight with honor and yet look at some of the things they have done. Therefore, Honor means different things to different species. "So TS, Smoke them all" show no mercy
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[tesco samoa]

Well were now hammering out a non-intercourse treaty that streaches 50 turns. And as a side note I am making sure I become MA with every race that boarders him. That way I can 'come to their aid' why not breaking any non-intercourse treaties.

[tesco samoa]

And I just ran 6 communication mimics against him.

I did not know that they only do War.

So he is at war with 7 people now.

Lost partnerships trade agreements at 30% ( we increased it) etc... That was a low blow.

Comm Mimic is outta wack.

[mac5732]

Start running some counter intel, I would expect he is going to do something dastardly towards you, http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif watch for cloaked ships in your systems..

just some ideas mac

[mac5732]

TS, if he's at war with 7, this might be a good time to launch a major hit and run, he has to be spread pretty thin fleet wise on all 7 fronts.
keep us posted

just some ideas mac

[tesco samoa]

counter intel is always run. You will find out.

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[mac5732]

aahhh yes friend TS, our up coming, roleplaying, planet glazing, ship rendering, good old fashion bashing game after the Growltigga vs Gryphin Challenge. Looking foreward to it, maybe teach you youngsters a thing or two about intel, ha, ha
http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif I thing so far its you, myself, GT, Gryphin, and I thought Saxon and Phoenix D also mentioned they wanted in, can't remember have to go back and ck the Posts. anyone else?

ps. what haappend to the sauce? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

just some ideas mac

[tesco samoa]

So after my enemy goes to war with everyone he sends this message
We Have learned of a ships building up in our Buruni System. Move Them At once or there shall be no chance for peace....We are growing tired of you games Xexre! This is your Last warning.

********************
You see there are only 3 ruins left in the universe. I just parked a ship above one of them that he was going to colonize in one turn. Alas. that will not happen I will colonize it in one turn.
So here is my reply

The Royal Court of the Xeragtok Hive Directive 1.5
To Vrok Expansion

Perhaps diplomacy is not a word in your language.
We have asked for peace by the pen. Perhaps the sword is all you understand.
You are currently at war with the known universe.
Choose your enemies carefully.
Perhaps you should reply inkind with your stature within reason.
We do not ask for war with an eager anticipation that shortens the seasons
We do not ask for war with an eager anticipation that shortens the breath.

The time for the laws that govern the body of nations is amok in the Vrok Expansion.


************************************

Yea I know. I got nothing. Lincon and Churchill are rolling in their graves.


Yep it is a good time to strike but he can do it first.

My next message will inform him that a attack on his neighbouring races will be treated as an attack on my race etc....

************************
To Mac

Sauce should arrive some time next week.

Christmas comes but twice a year.
http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Refrigrate after you open it.

I recommend you test it with some chicken on the BBQ or perhaps a nice Lime Tortilla Chip ( Mixed in a little bit of salsa )

But the first bit should be by its glory.

If you want to cool down quick eat some cucumber or apples with lemon squeezed on them.

[Growltigga]

<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by mac5732:
aahhh yes friend TS, our up coming, roleplaying, planet glazing, ship rendering, good old fashion bashing game after the Growltigga vs Gryphin Challenge. Looking foreward to it, maybe teach you youngsters a thing or two about intel, ha, ha
http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif I thing so far its you, myself, GT, Gryphin, and I thought Saxon and Phoenix D also mentioned they wanted in, can't remember have to go back and ck the Posts. anyone else?

ps. what haappend to the sauce? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

just some ideas mac<hr></blockquote>

Watch it Mac, anymore clogging up threads with this sort of irrelevancy will get you banished to the 'Tesco and Mac thread'

Buenos Dias me amigos BTW from glorious Madrid - nice place - you lot should come - buenos dias too from the new laptop work gave me.

We may have a delay on the Guffin/Tigga challenge so we may want to consider starting the united game sooner rather than later, with me joining in later if possible - can't have Saxon in, he is a colonial imperialist and has a cook, cant have Pheonix either as he wears shorts all the time and upsets girls - I think Geoschmo was game on

BTW you are saucy enough

[Saxon]

A role-playing game sounds good, perhaps I can live up to my reputation as a Evil Imperialist Exploiter of Helpless Gardeners and Cooks. Hmm, I can feel a racial personality developing already.

I would love to join a game, but have a feeling I am too much of a wet blanket to join. That is, I go on a month’s leave for all of March and will be taking it easy in South Africa, away from my computer. Also, I can not take part in a game with shorter than 48 hour turn around. I get my turn on the work email, take it home, run the turn, then post it the next day. The 24 hour turn around makes me miss too many turns.

So, given the above, I would love to join a game but do not know if others want to wait a month and a half and then have relatively slow turns. If you have other plans, please enjoy, I know I am a difficult person.

PS. Tesco, my uncle was a dentist. He was also a missionary. He would always say that “A man has no choice but to hear you preach when you have your hands in his mouth.”

[Growltigga]

Saxon, that time frame may well suit me as a 48 hour turnaround is going to have to be a prerequisite of the international guffin whomping tourney when that kicks off

Heard that one about dentists before but have also heard another one having the camel's full attention when you are holding 2 bricks and smirking

[Saxon]

Oh, and after reviewing Growltigga’s propaganda, I have realised that I also wear shorts all the time. Obviously, Phoenix and I will join up and crush Growltigga, keeping his descendants alive only to pull weeks from our Imperial Gardens.

[Saxon]

Oh, and after reviewing Growltigga’s propaganda, I have realised that I also wear shorts all the time. Obviously, Phoenix and I will join up and crush Growltigga, keeping his descendants alive only to pull weeds from our Imperial Gardens.

[Gryphin]

Saxon, That time fram Works for me.
Thinking hard now, I don't recall the title "Guffing Womping Tournement". I thought it was "Tig Trashing Time". I could be wrong. I guess time will tell which is the apropriate title.

[tesco samoa]

Depends on the scale of the game. I for one feel that if its a huge game that is going to streach a few years then time off for vacation etc.. is ok by me.

[Growltigga]

<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Saxon:
Oh, and after reviewing Growltigga’s propaganda, I have realised that I also wear shorts all the time. Obviously, Phoenix and I will join up and crush Growltigga, keeping his descendants alive only to pull weeds from our Imperial Gardens.<hr></blockquote>

Yeah and the poair of you can have no luck whatsoever with the ladies - you know, they are the ones with the interesting curvy bits and no facial hair (at least the ones I date - god knows about the gryphin)

[Growltigga]

<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by tesco samoa:
Depends on the scale of the game. I for one feel that if its a huge game that is going to streach a few years then time off for vacation etc.. is ok by me.<hr></blockquote>

I will let the rest of you worry about what to do when it gets to vacation time, I get the feeling that I will have the same life expectancy in this game as chocolate herring in a furnace

[Phoenix-D]

"cant have Pheonix either as he wears shorts all the time and upsets girls"

I think I may have to commit some genocide for that one. Time to pull out the Certdsh.

Phoenix-D

[Growltigga]

<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Phoenix-D:
I think I may have to commit some genocide for that one. Time to pull out the Certdsh.<hr></blockquote>

Would it be easier if I just didn't start this game at all?

[Phoenix-D]

"Would it be easier if I just didn't start this game at all?"

No. Then I'd have to find a few PBW games you're in and make a mash of your empire there! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Phoenix-D

[Saxon]

Tigga,

You shouldn’t think you would be quickly eliminated from a game. After all, Great Powers want a Tigga for their Imperial Menageries and you would be more like a prize, which we would put on display and keep alive.

[Growltigga]

Dear Phoenix D and Saxon,

The correct and appropriate colloquial English phrase to use after those remarks would be 'bog off'

Saxon - watch out as pets can be known to turn round and bite you right on the backside, Phoenix - I can run and I can hide

Sheesh, I cannot beleive I am taking this from a Canadian moose kisser and a bloke who is dysfunctional with women!! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

[Gryphin]

Tig, good try,
No Sale.

[Growltigga]

<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Gryphin:
Tig, good try,
No Sale.<hr></blockquote>

try and trace me then

[tesco samoa]

Can you two take this one off forum. But do post the results just not the details. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon6.gif

[Growltigga]

Sure Tesco, we will take this one off to our own thread but keep in mind this particular thread is off topic anyway.

Note we have kept away from off topic banter on any specific subject thread. Are we still allowed to contribute to specific threads or is this a total exclusion zone?

[Gryphin]

ooops,
I did it again.
Yes tesco we can.
GT, we both need to try to move things to our thread whenever they start. I will try to be much more alert to this.
Sorry folks

[mottlee]

Sooo what IS the topic?? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/confused.gif

[mottlee]

Be nice if the "Wink" also went to the other eye
http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

[tesco samoa]

I just wanted to make sure that you did not post personal info about each other. Then spammers could get the info and hound you...... That was my only intention.


Have a good day

[Gryphin]

Thanks tesco.
You are quite right. It was all bluff on my part. I could do it but I feel it would be an invasion of privacy.
Still, the point is well taken.

[Gryphin]

Correction:
You can run, granted,
You can not hide.

[Growltigga]

<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Gryphin:
Correction:
You can run, granted,
You can not hide.<hr></blockquote>

oh yes I can, lawyers are famous for disappearing when they are wanted most

[Gryphin]

And computer techs are famouse for finding people. To whit: I found a girlfriend I had not seen since my weddind over 15 years ago. I found the Minister who married me, and I know your name, occupation, and interest. It woudl be more than easy.

[Gryphin]

And computer techs are famouse for finding people. To whit: I found a girlfriend I had not seen since my weddind over 15 years ago. I found the Minister who married me, and I know your name, occupation, and interest. It woudl be more than easy.

[Growltigga]

<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Gryphin:
And computer techs are famouse for finding people. To whit: I found a girlfriend I had not seen since my weddind over 15 years ago. I found the Minister who married me, and I know your name, occupation, and interest. It woudl be more than easy.<hr></blockquote>

I thought computer techs were famous only for catching things??

Question:: did the girlfriend want to be found after 15 years??

Salient point: you know a name I have given you and an occupation I have said I have. You dont really know that my name is Rob, that I am a lawyer or indeed that I live near Manchester England. I could be Caroline, a student from Australia, or Juanita, a bored housewife from Pensecola - you dont know

For all I know you may in fact be a lapdancer called Polly!

Having an interest in SEIV is not enough to track me. I may be doing this sort of tosh on any number of different forums.