Warrior Women - Name hunt

[dogscoff]

Creating a ship name list for my new shipset, but so far I have a depressingly short list.

I need the names of famous warrior women, or at the very least, physically tough female charaters from history, mythology and fiction.

So far, all I've come up with is
Joan of Arc
Bodicea
Sarah Connor
Ripley

Pathetic huh? I'm sure you lot can come up with more than this...

And no, I will NOT be putting Mrs Thatcher on the list. I'm not sure she qualifies as human, let alone female...

[Growltigga]

dogscoff, greek and roman mythology is full of strapping warrior/tough women

hecate
diana
athena
atalanta
clytemenestra
kylie
that bird who led the amazons

thorw in a bit of norse mythology and you have more strapping 'jolly hockey sticks' types than you could mudwrestle

[dogscoff]

Thanks 'tig.

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hecate
diana
athena
atalanta
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Good, I'll add these.

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clytemenestra
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This one sounds like a yeast infection, but I'll add her as well.

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kylie
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You're kidding, right? Kylie? I should be so lucky...

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that bird who led the amazons
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Good plan... I'll put in a google search for amazon, ignore the thousands of bookshop references, and see if I get any leads from there.

Keep 'em coming ppl.

[dogscoff]

PtF, yeah, it's for the valkyries. I'm hoping to put the graphics together for them tonight for inclusion in the proportion game, and then maybe upload a full shipset (using a modified viking AI) to my website over the weekend.

I've already done the speech file- great fun: "Is that the biggest weapon you have? I've seen bigger."

Thanks for the Nordic name site - where did you find _that_? I'll look at that more carefully tonight, and maybe knock out another name list.

Now I've started though, (and now I've opened a thread on the subject) I'd still like a list of female warriors. (excluding amazons, who now have their own list).

So come on, think of your favourite films / books and give me the name of the any female gun/ sword waving heroine types.

Here's some starters:
Joan of Arc
Bodicea
Sarah Connor (terminator + sequel)
Ellen Ripley (Alien + sequels)
Vasquez (Aliens - actually, I could do a whole Aliens list, couldn't I?)
Xena
Buffy
That woman from "Conan the Barbarian" (anyone know the name?)
Tasha Yarr (St:TNG)
The girl from Akira
Lursa (Klingon woman from ST) (Spelling?)
Bettor (ditto)

[Rollo]

<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by dogscoff:
That woman from "Conan the Barbarian" (anyone know the name?)<hr></blockquote>

Valeria

Looking forward to the speech file, btw http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif .

Rollo

[PsychoTechFreak]

<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by dogscoff:

I've already done the speech file- great fun: "Is that the biggest weapon you have? I've seen bigger."

Thanks for the Nordic name site - where did you find _that_? I'll look at that more carefully tonight, and maybe knock out another name list.

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This could be another interesting page for your speech file:

Viking English (http://viking.no/e/england/e-viking_english.htm)

My search file for this, I guess there is a bunch of nice things under it:

Google Up Viking Women Names (http://www.google.de/search?q=viking+women+names&hl=de&meta=)

Edit: Some goodies out of Viking English-

jabber (vb) To chatter. Scan. Formerly jaber and jable, weakened forms of gabber and gabble. Based on gab- as seen in the Ice gabba (to mock). See also gabble, above.

gabble (vb) To prattle. Scan =&gt; ME gabben (to lie, delude). Ice gabba (to mock) and gabb (mockery). Compare with Irish Gaelic cab, gob (the mouth). Allied to SE gobble and gape.

hale (adj) As in 'hale and hearty' (in good condition, healthy). Scan =&gt; ME heil. Ice heill, Dan heel, Swe hel.
hail (vb) To greet, to call out to. Scan =&gt; ME heilen. A verb coined from the Ice heill (see hail, above). Swe helse, Dan hilse (to greet). Associated with the Anglo-Saxon wes hál (realised in modern orthography as wassail), a greeting which literally means 'be whole'.

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[Gryphin]

My sweet heart proffered this one:
WAR GODDESS:

The Morrígan and her
Germano-Celtic Counterparts
A dissertation by Angelique Gulermovich Epstein


Here and there around us are many bloody spoils; horrible are the huge entrails the Morrígan washes.
More here:
http://members.loop.com/~musofire/diss/

[wr8th]

A couple more:

Arwen
Galadriel
Eowyn

[dogscoff]

Top marks Gryph, that looks like an interesting read, and I'm sure I can glean some good names from it. Might have to print it off though.

I had no idea how educational this would turn out to be. I'm really enjoying this=-)

[Val]

Sheeba
Cleopatra
Diana
Helena
Nefertiti
Isis
Irene (First female ruler of Athens)
Black Widow (of B-Tech fame)
Cassiopeia
Leia (Star Wars)
Isabella
Sojurner Truth (Abolisionist)
Theodora (Byzantine Emporess)
Yim Wing Chung (founder of her own martial art)
Catherine the Great (Russia)
Belle Star (Outlaw)
Lyta Alexander (B5 psyker)
Susan Ivanova (B5 commander)
Delenn (B5 Diplomat, Grey Council)
Tanya Harding (Throws a mean punch http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif )
Nancy Drew (well, not much of a warrior, but she solved crime)

[Growltigga]

<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Gryphin:
GrowlTigga, what about a list of Englands Queens and female Prime Ministeres? Oh, and then there was Goulda Mier.<hr></blockquote>

boring Gryph, Anne, Mary, Elizabeth and then Margaret Thatcher - not the best

Dogscoff - Kylie is a warrior woman to me, at least I would really like her to beat up on me http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

[Baron Munchausen]

Well, this is a tricky list. Lots of the names you might use could also be included in other lists. The Amazons could go quite logically in the Greek list, for example. You should also complete some of those names. "Ripley" could be lots of people. It should be "Ellen Ripley" so people don't have to wonder if it's Ripley's Believe It Or Not! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif . That said, I can fill in some of the requested ideas.

The Queen of the Amazons was Hippolyta, and that would be an excellent name for a capital ship. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

The Greeks do seem to provide some of the best warrior women. (Clytemnestra was one nasty b****! Even if she was a schemer rather than an open fighter.) Don't forget Medea. She was more of a sorceress than a warrior but also quite a tough customer. And then of course there's Circe, who held Odysseus captive for a decade or more.

The 'love interest' in the first Conan movie as Valeria, but there was also Zula (played by Grace Jones) in the second movie. And don't forget that other sword and sorcery movie 'Red Sonja' which starred Brigit Nielsen but was produced by (and co-starred) Arnold in a 'veiled' Conan role. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif Red Sonja would also be a cool name for a capital ship.

There are some good SciFi and Fantasy heroines you could use, too. Like Honor Harrington! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif Some of the names are themselves borrowings from earlier mythology, though, like C. J. Cherryh's Morgaine. And Wr8th, how can you suggest suggest Arwen and Galadriel, who never picked up a sword or entered personal combat as far as we can tell from Tolkien's works, but not include Luthien, who took on the Dark Lord himself (Morgoth, that is, not to mention his lackey Sauron)??? Luthien is about the closest thing to the Greek sorceress type in modern literature. She jumps right into the fray like any of the men. And wins.

There are a few relatively modern female 'adventurers', too. Annie Oakley and Calamity Jane, for example.

Edit: A quick search on Google has produced a very interetsng site:

http://www.lothene.demon.co.uk/others/women.html

You should be able to collect a lot of names of warrior women from this page.

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[TerranC]

I'm kinda surprised that no one mentioned Nightingale.

Being the Chief Medic in a hellish battlefield like the crimean war is no easy job.

and gotta have a name for a Medical Ship http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

[Arak Koba]

'The Martha Stewart'

That's one tough *bleep*

Lara Croft too. It'll be a 'Lara Croft craft'.

[LazarusLong42]

<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Baron Munchausen:
And Wr8th, how can you suggest suggest Arwen and Galadriel, who never picked up a sword or entered personal combat as far as we can tell from Tolkien's works, but not include Luthien, who took on the Dark Lord himself (Morgoth, that is, not to mention his lackey Sauron)??? Luthien is about the closest thing to the Greek sorceress type in modern literature. She jumps right into the fray like any of the men. And wins.
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I suspect the answer here is pretty simple: How many people, even Tolkien fans, have actually taken the time to read the Silmarillion? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif Those who have read only the trilogy know of Luthien only from songs. I would also contend that Galadriel, while not your standard warrior-type, has, along with Gandalf, been fighting the psychological and magical war for quite a few centuries.

A few from my favorite author, who, for as much as people called him anti-female, sure liked strong female characters:

Hilda Burroughs
Helen Stone
Star (from Glory Road)
Maureen Johnson Long

Of course... they don't make for great ship names http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

I've seen a couple of Trek names, but I haven't yet seen Beverly Crusher or Kathryn Janeway, both of whom have actually defeated entire Borg ships. (Or, in case two, an entire Borg hyperspace node).

Mother Abigail (from The Stand.)

An obscure one: Carmen "Red" Zuigiber. Bonus points, as usual, to the first who can place the reference.

Klotho, Lachesis, Atropos. (The Fates). Not exactly warriors but, hey, you going to argue with women who can cut your life short? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

I see a mention of Diana below; her Greek name was Artemis.

And now, a few completely off-the-wall ones:

Dr. Josephine Baker (fought against infant mortality in NYC at the turn of the century. Saved an estimated 500k children's lives.)

Carrie Nation (fought for Prohibition. I don't agree with her, but hey, she carried an ax. I'm not messing with her http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif )

Rosa Parks
Indira Gandhi
(both of whom fall under "peaceful warfare")

Admiral Grace Hopper (OK, not a warrior, but she's cool anyway.)

OK... I think that's enough for now http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

LL

[Sinapus]

Shannon Foraker, from the Honor Harrington series.

"Oops." http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

[geoschmo]

Tough women 'eh?

How about Janet Reno? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

[dmm]

Molly Pitcher: carried water to the artillery guys during a battle of the US-GrtBrtn war (c. 1776), then took over swabbing out the cannons (using her petticoats, if you believe the story) when the men fell exhausted or dead.

Jael: pretended to befriend the fleeing enemy commander Sisera; once he was asleep she put a tent peg through his temples and into the ground. Ouch! (See Judges 4.)

How about Rosie the Riveter's construction yard base? Or the Mata Hari planet filled with spy centers.

And I can't believe nobody mentioned Diana Prince, alias Wonderwoman. We'd all be Nazis by now if it weren't for her! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

[TerranC]

I thought this was supposed to be for tough as in mentality of the women...

Not for the Skin of the women.

Heck if we are talking about Skin or Body mass, why don't we put in Rosie o'Donnell?

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

Edit: The starship Rosie O'Donnell, To boldly go where no alternative lifestyle has gone before, and to advocate Intergalactic Adoption rights...

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[PvK]

Dogscoff, I assume you'll get all of Wagner's valkyrie names from Die Walkure from that viking site?

Practically all Nordic and Germanic female names have original meanings like "battle maiden", "shield maiden", "warrior maiden", etc.

For Greek names, include Medusa and her sisters' names!

I suppose there are names of the agents in The Avengers, all of whom routinely trounced and killed even without recourse to weapons: Catherine Gale, Emma Peel, Tara King.

[ 29 March 2002: Message edited by: PvK ]</p>

[dogscoff]

Excellent! Just found a Xena: Warrior Princess site with a listing of over 80 amazons from greek mythology. That wil do nicely. I've compiled it into a txt file and I could just use that for my new race. You can keep posting here though, perhaps we'll have enough for a second names list.

[PsychoTechFreak]

Hi dogscoff, is it for the valkyries ?

Here you go:
Medieval Names Archive (http://www.panix.com/~mittle/names/scandinavian.shtml)

Edit: I am looking forward to ram your Valkyries next week http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

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[Master Belisarius]

What about Ma Baker and Margaret Tacher?

[Gryphin]

GrowlTigga, what about a list of Englands Queens and female Prime Ministeres? Oh, and then there was Goulda Mier.

[PvK]

A ship class named "Yo Momma"?

[Will]

I used to play an Online game, and there were two females who basically could beat the $#!t out of the guys... not really names people would know, but:

Nariis
Catronia

[oleg]

How about :

Dorothy Truscott
JoAnna Stansby
Tobi Sokolow
Mildred Breed
Karen MacCallum
Kathei Wei-Sender
Shawn Queen
Rita Shugart
Michel Bruner
Rona Goldenfield

They all can beat me down and some ot them already did few times. That is is bridge of course, but who says you should not be warrior to excel ?

[Baron Munchausen]

You don't necessarily have to use all proper names, of course. You can use some 'mythical categories' and generic types like 'Earth Mother' or whatnot. I could probably search my 'metaphoric entities' list and find a few... hmm, a quick search only produes ***** Goddess. The others are almost all animals. Oh, well...

[dogscoff]

Thanks, this is fascinating. That site Baron posted is a good resource, and links to some fascinating sites.

Anyway, I've uploaded the amazon file to my website (from the main page, got to the "various" page.) I think I might make two more names files - one for historical warrior women (ie ones who really existed) and one for fictional / mythological ones. The Valkyries will probably use the historical file.

[PvK]

<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by dogscoff:
...I think I might make two more names files - one for historical warrior women (ie ones who really existed) and one for fictional / mythological ones. The Valkyries will probably use the historical file.<hr></blockquote>

But shouldn't the Valkyries include fictional names of valkyries (from Wagner, norse myth, etc)?

[dogscoff]

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ut shouldn't the Valkyries include fictional names of valkyries (from Wagner, norse myth, etc)?
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If I can find enough of them, I probbly will. I was very surprised to get 80+ amazons, I'm not sure I'll find so many authentic valkyries... If I do then that will be ideal, if not then I think a list that commemorates all those combative woen through history will be fine.

[Akurgan]

mmm interesting thread... might as well add a few ideas


Red Sonja ( bridget neilsons offshoot to Conan )

the girl from Heavy Metal 2000 (with the Fakk2 blade, forgot name, she kicked ***)

Dark Angel girl ( Jessica Alba )
WitchBlade girl (Yancy Butler)
La femme Nikita (peta wilson)
Cattibrie ( from RA Salvatores dark Elf series: Forgotten realms: AD&D )

Elvira ( woohoo! )

Minnie mouse ( im sure she kicks *** when pms'in )

Miss Piggy ( remember how hard she hit Kermit all the time? )

Pink Power ranger LOL

GreenJade (from crouching tiger hidden dragon )

Invisible Woman

lindsey wagner as the 6million dollar woman

mmmmmmmmm Cartmans Mom http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

lol time for bed i think,, getting silly here

[Baron Munchausen]

<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Akurgan:
mmm interesting thread... might as well add a few ideas

Red Sonja ( bridget neilsons offshoot to Conan )

the girl from Heavy Metal 2000 (with the Fakk2 blade, forgot name, she kicked ***)

Dark Angel girl ( Jessica Alba )
WitchBlade girl (Yancy Butler)
La femme Nikita (peta wilson)
Cattibrie ( from RA Salvatores dark Elf series: Forgotten realms: AD&D )

Elvira ( woohoo! )

Minnie mouse ( im sure she kicks *** when pms'in )

Miss Piggy ( remember how hard she hit Kermit all the time? )

Pink Power ranger LOL

GreenJade (from crouching tiger hidden dragon )

Invisible Woman

lindsey wagner as the 6million dollar woman

mmmmmmmmm Cartmans Mom http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

lol time for bed i think,, getting silly here<hr></blockquote>

I already suggested Red Sonja below. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

The girls in Heavy Metal have very normal names. I don't think a ship named 'Jenny' or whatever is gonna be very intimidating.

Elvira? How about Vampira? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Bionic Woman might make a decent ship name, but FEMBOT would really rule! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif I'd forgotten about the Fembots. They've become classic camp, but what's a 4X game without some camp SciFi for flavor? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

[Loser]

Greetings and salu-somethings from a lurker.

How can one mention Heinlein, chauvanist that he is, in the context of strong female rolls and not mention Friday? Just about every one of his books has a female character, most of whom could be said to be 'strong' (an arguement could be made, anyway), mostly because he only had three characters, and this female character was one of them.

The Black Window's name was Natasha Kerensky, though Black Widow would probably do well on it's own.

Elvira's name was Cassandra Petersen (I believe), if anyone cares.

Petra Arkanian from Orsen Scott Card's 'Ender's Game' and a couple of following books?

Machiko Noguchi (or Dahdtoudi), of the Dark Horse comics Alien vs. Predator series?

Edit: Now I have pants, I love it when that happens.
Edit: In other news, I cannot spell.

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[Troy]

Some times when creating RPG charecters I use a baby name finder. There are many on the web and they are easy to use. You could use this lists to create a pool of 2k+ names. I could not find one that I would call the best. But here links to a few:
http://www.kabalarians.com/html/surf-by.htm
http://epregnancy.com/info/names/namefinder.htm

TroyKabalarians name guid (http://www.kabalarians.com/html/surf-by.htm)name finder (http://epregnancy.com/info/names/namefinder.htm)

[Kinboat]

If your looking for names I've found a tool that rocks... I use it now for most of my RPG characters. The Everchanging Book of Names...
http://free.prohosting.com/~spyorre/ebon
It takes names from books and real life and generates original names that sound similar. So you can get a Tolkien sounding name without using Aragorn http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif Just thought I'd throw it out there.

[dogscoff]

Thanks Troy, Kinboat. I think I'll have to make a webpage for name-finding resources.

[Growltigga]

Dogscoff, try Tracey and Sandra (you must have read Viz!)- they are far more frightening a concept that any of the other females posted here, I mean, a 'Tracey' class battleship bearing down on your poor fleet would just be too scary for words

[Loser]

Is Tammy Faye Baker scary?

[mac5732]

Xenia, warrior woman....

[Wardad]

<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Loser:
Is Tammy Faye Baker scary?<hr></blockquote>

HORRIFYING!!!

Poor Jim needed a night of good luvin from a pretty lass.