"Survivor 2" Round 11 is about to start

[geoschmo]

Announcing the long awaited Space Empires IV "Survivor 2" Multiplayer Tournament.

This tournament will have as it's goals the same things that were the goals of the first Survivor Tournament. To be a fun, competative, and fast moving event for players of all skill levels and playing styles. There will be some changes in format from the first tournament, hopefully we have learned some things that will make this one be even better.

Instead of multiple games, this year the tournament will be multiple rounds of progresivly smaller single games with all entrants pitted against each other in each round. Up to and including twenty players per game. If more than twenty players join the tounrament then they will be split into two games of equal, or nearly equal numbers. Each game will be played to the elimination of one player from each game. This will be repeated for as many rounds as are required until such a time enough players have been eliminated so the remaining players can be combined into one game.

The first round game will be played until one player has been eliminated. At that point the first round will be over and all the surviving players will move on to the next round where things will start over once again. This will continue from round to round until only one player remains.

All games will be played using the latest patch Version of Space Empires IV, Gold edition. (Currently this is Version 1.78)

All games will have default settings except for the following stipulations. No computer or neutral players. All quadrants will be randomly generated midlife quadrants. Early rounds will be large quadrants (Though not more than 100 systems). As the pool gets smaller in later rounds the size will be reduced. Ships and units in space per player will be set to the maximum. (20K I believe). The events will be turned off.

The following are default settings, but they bear mentioning for clarity. Each game will be a low tech level, medium tech cost, one average starting planet start. Each game will be 2000 Racial points. No techs will be disallowed(including intel and drones). All trading will be allowed (including trading of colonies). Surrender will be allowed, and not restricted. Since surrender eliminates the surrendering player, it brings an immediate end to that particular round and therefore there is no reason to disallow it.

Players may, but are not required to use the same empire file throughout all the rounds. Players will be required to use a shipset, either a custom one or a stock one, that no one else in the game is using. In the event of duplicates, the first player to join the game will have precedance. For conveience I ask that you include the name of the shipset you are planning on using in parentheses after your empire name when you apply to join. If you are using a custom shipset I also ask that you make sure it is in the PBW shipset file library and that you use the shipset linking system provided by PBW when you upload your empire file.

All games will be set to 36 hour, fully automatic turns. There will be no breaks for vacations or illness. The only stoppages will be in the event of PBW failure, or extroidinary circumstances affecting multiple players. If you need to take a break for any reason, post a message in the game forum and the game owner will attempt to find a temporary replacment for you until you return. You may as an alternative find a replacment yourself that is not already playing in that current rounds game and provide their name to the game owner. You may as an alternative allow your empire to revert to AI control for the duration of your absence. In such a case the turns will be allowed to go to their full 36 hours before running, limiting the number of turns the AI will play in your stead.

Obviously any player that surrenders to another player, or is completely destroyed in the game will be eliminated. Additionally any empire that is reduced to the point of having no planets will be deemed as destroyed and will be eliminated. This includes an empire with ships remaining, even usable colony ships. You must at all times have an exsisting colony with or without population to remain in contact and in the game. Additionally any player who by means of stellar manipulation closes themself off from the rest of the quadrant will be deemed to have been eliminated. You may close off some of your warp points to restrict enemy access to your territory, but you must retain at least one point of access to all of your systems. And there must be at least one path of access, however circuitous, from any system on the map to any other system on the map. The determining factor in any case in doubt will be if an empire loses contact with another empire. If that occurs then either one of them has lost all their planets, or someone somewhere has broken the chain of systems by closing too many warp points.

Any player that misses five consecutive turns in a row (approximatly one week) without notification in the game forum will be declared to have abandoned the game and will be eliminated. Additionally, any player that qualifies for the next round and fails to join the game and upload his empire within a week of the creation of the game on PBW without prior notification will be declared to have abandoned the tournament and will be eliminated.

In the event that more than one player meets one or more of the qualifications for elimination on the same turn, all said players will eliminated from the tournament simultaneously.

[ July 23, 2004, 01:12: Message edited by: geoschmo ]

[tesco samoa]

I am in... Can we start in Sept.... I would hate to be elimated on the first one because of a 4 day vacation. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

[geoschmo]

Well, it'll probably take a week or so to get everybody joined and empires loaded. After that, it's find a lieutenant, or trust the AI. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

[Fyron]

I'm in! And I will win, too! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif Well, maybe not. We'll see. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

[Zarix]

Sounds like fun. Count me in.

[geoschmo]

For anyone scared off this tournament by the prospect of the games having 20 players and taking forever, I'd like to point out the following.

Firstly, I intend to ruthlessly enforce the 36 hour turn time limit. No Mr Jones I don't care if your dog ate your .plr file. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

And secondly, the early rounds should end quickly at any rate because they don't have to play to a normal Last man standing completion, only to the elimination of one player. In fact I expect a couple of rounds to end simply because someone drops out. That's the nature of these things often. The beauty of this format is that abandoned players don't hinder us, in fact they speed things up because they end the rounds sooner. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

[tesco samoa]

The determining factor in any case in doubt will be if an empire loses contact with another empire.

Does this mean that everyone will be in contact with each other ????

[tbontob]

Oh boy! Oh boy! My first tourney! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon6.gif

[geoschmo]

Originally posted by tesco samoa:
The determining factor in any case in doubt will be if an empire loses contact with another empire.

Does this mean that everyone will be in contact with each other ????<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">No, not at first. But once you make contact with another race the only way to lose contact is either to lose all your planets, or be cut off from them by someone closing warp points all the warp points between you and them.

I honestly don't think any of the games will Last long enough for the second option to come into play. At least not in the early rounds certainly. I only included that as an official position to prevent someone "turtleing up" and closing all the warp points and building systems shield generators and thereby guaranteeing their survival.

Technically I suppose you could do that with part of your empire and leave a single planet outside, thus maintaining contact but still violating the rule requiring all systems to have a chain of open warp points. In the unlikely event someone attempt such a manuver I will simply declare them eliminated.

Geo

[Ragnarok]

Hey, count me in. And no Fyron, I'll win! Well most likely not but I gotta have some self confidence right?

[geoschmo]

Originally posted by Ragnarok:
Hey, count me in. And no Fyron, I'll win! Well most likely not but I gotta have some self confidence right?<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Another great thing about this format is truely anybody can win. You can play aggresivly and try to knock out the first guy you meet. Or play defensivly and ride it our till someone else buys it each round. And even if you aren't a very good player you can make it deep into the tourney by being good at making alliances and political stuff. And late in the tourney a lucky break here or there and who knows what might happen? All the "Favorites" could get knocked out early in the tournament for that matter.

Geoschmo

[Gorgo]

A brilliant concept! I have to be in that one!
http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

[Jmenschenfresser]

Assuming I and He plays, can we change the rules of the first round to include:

Team Play Everyone Against Askan := True

[tbontob]

How does it work?

Will all the details be given on this thread...or do we need to access another one?

And where do I sign up? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

[geoschmo]

Tbon, it's going to be played on PBW. If you aren't familier with that go to http://seiv.pbw.cc and register and read the FAQ.

Geoschmo

[tbontob]

Thanx Geo

[Gandalph]

I have already signed up!

Thanx, Geo

[geoschmo]

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif
Six hours in and we already have fourteen players signed up. It is appearing very likely we may get more than 20 players.

What will happen is when the 20th player signs up I will open a second game. At first I don't want any of you to move over. Just stay where you are. After a few days and things settle down to what appears to be the final number I will ask for volunteers to withdraw from game one and join game tow. You can only be in one game obviously. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

If we make 20, I don't anticipate much more than that, so it shouldn't be more than a couple rounds we have to play multiple games. Just until we get down to 20 total.

Geoschmo

[Gimboid]

Originally posted by Jmenschenfresser:
Assuming I and He plays, can we change the rules of the first round to include:

Team Play Everyone Against Askan := True<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">That could make things interesting...

[tbontob]

Who is Askan?

Is he "the man" to beat? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

[Grandpa Kim]

Originally posted by tbontob:
Who is Askan?

Is he "the man" to beat? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">You're probably safer sucking up to Askan and getting him to attack someone else. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

Kim

[Gimboid]

Askan won the first survivor tourney.

He is a force to be reckoned with, or quietly cuddled up to as Grandpakim has suggested http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

[Fyron]

I can take him. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

[tbontob]

So he is the boogyman? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

[Baron Grazic]

Geo, You're going to keep enticing me until I get Gold aren't you?
I'll have to 'talk' to my wife this weekend...

[Askan Nightbringer]

Good to see I'm in for some early action, I hate nothing more than those slow, no war before everyone has level 5 PPBs type of games.

I thought it my simplify my strategy (and make it easy to remember who my target is) if I just worked through the player list in reverse alphabetical order.

Good fighting.
Askan

[Fyron]

Bring it on! Wait... that means I'll be a while. Go in reverse player # instead. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

[tbontob]

Hi Askan

Been to the game site & I see your are ready and itchin to go!

The rest of us still have stuff to do before we can play!

Are you always this prepared? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

[Askan Nightbringer]

Originally posted by tbontob:
Hi Askan

Been to the game site & I see your are ready and itchin to go!

The rest of us still have stuff to do before we can play!

Are you always this prepared? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Saw the game, joined, got accepted, uploaded my empire, wait for first turn.
What more is there to do?

Askan

[Fyron]

Prepare to be destroyed by Zanar'ri battle fleets? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

[Askan Nightbringer]

Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:
Prepare to be destroyed by Zanar'ri battle fleets? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I love all the big talk and bravado. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif
Reminds me of the Survivor 1 Tournament.

(Maybe I should have retired a champion, instead of being whipped like an old hasbeen)

Askan

[Fyron]

I wasn't in the 1st survivor tournament. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

[Askan Nightbringer]

Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:
I wasn't in the 1st survivor tournament. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Enough chest beating for me today. Its past 5 and the pub is calling.

But if your keen for a ultra violence match up we can play a 4-6 man in a small galazy with no trading. Drop us an email.

Cheers,
Askan

[Fyron]

Who's us?

[Askan Nightbringer]

Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:
Who's us?<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Yeh.

[Fyron]

What??? That makes no sense! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

[dumbluck]

Ok. So if I take my warp closers and stealthily cut someone else off from the rest of the map, does that mean that I've eliminated them? That would suck! Enough warp closers, and you are unstoppable! Just make a treaty with someone, place your WP closers on the strategic warppoints, then close them all at once. Presto, instant elimination!

Maybe the map should look something like the one in Adamant 4. There is an average of about 6 http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif warppoints per system. (I'd really like to know how he did that!) It would be nigh impossible to play the turtle defense on that map, except that it's a cluster map. So there are strategic WPs to close. If it was midlife, with the same # of WPs....

[Fyron]

Dumbluck, go into QuadrantTypes.txt. Look for these lines:

Max Warp Points per Sys := 5
Min Angle Between WP := 60

Double the max WPs and halve the min angle. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

[geoschmo]

Dumbluck, as I said I really don't think it is likely to come up, but if it does I am going to come down hard on the player doing the closing, not the one being closed off. That's not a valid method for eliminating someone in my book.

Geoschmo

[sparhawk]

Geoschmo, I really like this Tournament. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif
But I have a slight problem; i'm off for my honneymoon to mexico http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon6.gif from 20 october till 8 november. I can offcourse let the AI running my turn and fill in all shiporders and research. Would you approved such a player http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif (ME).

Sparhawk

[geoschmo]

Well, congradulations by the way. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

As long as I know you are gone I don't have a problem with extended leaves like that. Anything over five turns without a notice and you get booted, but you can go past five turns as long as I know ahead of time you are leaving and planning on returning.

However, that is almost three full weeks. Assuming your new marriage survives being cooped up with her for three weeks, I am not sure your empire will with you gone that long. I would advise you try and find a replacment player for while you are gone. If you can't find one I will try to find one for you.

I don't suppose the new bride would let you take your computer with you? Nah.... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Geoschmo

[sparhawk]

He, if I take my computer with me, then it will be the shortest honneymoon ever. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif
And no we will be to busy to have time for a computer.......

Sparhawk

[geoschmo]

Also, since we already have more than 20 players, we are going to have two games, at least for the first couple rounds. Since both games will function independantly, a player is to be eliminated from each game in each round, I would have no problem with a player that is in one game acting as a temporary replacment for a player in the other game that is on an extended leave such as this.

By the time we get down to 20 players and have only one game we will have a pool of eliminated players that we can draw from as temporary replacments, assuming they are willing. Of course you are free to get someone from outside the tourney to serve as your lieutenant if you wish. They just have to have SEIV and access to PBW.

Geoschmo

[geoschmo]

Tournament registration has slowed down now. We have 26 players signed
up across the two games, which is about what I expected total. We might
get a couple more here or there, but it's doubtlful. Some of you have
already started uploading your empire files, which is fine. What I want
to do is start equalizing the two games so they have the same, or
nearly the same, number of players.

If no one else joins the tournament from this point, I would need to
move 7 players from game 1 over to game 2. What I would like is if anyone
in game 1 currently that HAS NOT already uploaded your empire file
wouldn't mind moving, you go ahead and withdraw from Game 1 and apply to
join game 2. Before you withdraw though check and make sure a bunch
haven't already done so. We only need to move a few.

If not enough people do this on their own I will randomly boot some
people and assign them to game 2. I won't do that for a couple days though
I want to make sure there aren't anymore people that want to join the
tourney.

My plan is to leave registration open until Sunday morning, then start
"encouraging" you to upload your empire files if you haven't already,
with a tentative goal to start the first round on Tuesday sometime. If
all the empires aren't uploaded by then I will start making noises about
booting people. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Have fun!

Geoschmo

[spoon]

I have a few questions about the mechanics...
- How do we know when a player has no planets (unless we play on View All Scores, perhaps)
- How do we know a player has been cut off? (ie, will the administrator know somehow, or is it up to a player to tell him?)

And a few things you might want to clarify, so there are no hard feeling later in the game:

Originally posted by geoschmo:
Dumbluck, as I said I really don't think it is likely to come up, but if it does I am going to come down hard on the player doing the closing, not the one being closed off. That's not a valid method for eliminating someone in my book.

Geoschmo<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">- this statement makes me think you should either ban Stellar Manip, or state the rule explicitly. What if one player accidentally closes off another? (likelihood near zero, but you never know)

On player Communications:
- Is it ok to send email to a player you haven't met in the current round. Most players (myself included) follow this guideline, but since this format is a bit different, you might want to make a house rule...
- Is it ok to make a deal with another empire that extends into future rounds (for example, can I beg Askan not to kill me in the current round, in exchange for my promise not to attack him for the next three rounds...)

Thanks! The game sounds like a lot of fun, and I'm looking forward to playing.

-Spoon (Spoo to the Nth power?)

[geoschmo]

Originally posted by spoon:
I have a few questions about the mechanics...
- How do we know when a player has no planets (unless we play on View All Scores, perhaps)<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Unless he gets killed off before you meet him, you will know he lost his Last planet because you will get the "lost contact with player X" log message.
- How do we know a player has been cut off? (ie, will the administrator know somehow, or is it up to a player to tell him?)<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">same as above. You will get a "lost contact" message.

And a few things you might want to clarify, so there are no hard feeling later in the game:

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by geoschmo:
Dumbluck, as I said I really don't think it is likely to come up, but if it does I am going to come down hard on the player doing the closing, not the one being closed off. That's not a valid method for eliminating someone in my book.

Geoschmo<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">- this statement makes me think you should either ban Stellar Manip, or state the rule explicitly. What if one player accidentally closes off another? (likelihood near zero, but you never know)</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Ok, I will think abou tthis one and make a decision before we start. I don't want any abiguity if we can avoid it.

On player Communications:
- Is it ok to send email to a player you haven't met in the current round. Most players (myself included) follow this guideline, but since this format is a bit different, you might want to make a house rule...<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Normally I don't allow it, but for the purposes of this tournament, I'll allow it. In fact I am looking forward to seeing people do this. I think it will add to the cutthroat nature of the tourney. You can think your making a deal with someone, and he's got deals with someone else too and planning on backstabing you. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif See other thread on the subject.
- Is it ok to make a deal with another empire that extends into future rounds (for example, can I beg Askan not to kill me in the current round, in exchange for my promise not to attack him for the next three rounds...)<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">This is allright with me. What would NOT be ok is if you said, "Askan, don't kill me now, and in a later round I'll lay down when you are about to get eliminated." Promising to assist each other is good and ok. Promising to take a dive so another can move on is bad and not ok.

Geoschmo

[Fyron]

If I were about to eliminate Empire A, say, in 4 or 5 turns, but someone esle is about to eliminate Empire B before I can get to Empire A's Last holdings, can I gift a few planets to Empire B solely for the purpose of keeping them around so that I could instead have Empire A elminated?

[geoschmo]

Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:
If I were about to eliminate Empire A, say, in 4 or 5 turns, but someone esle is about to eliminate Empire B before I can get to Empire A's Last holdings, can I gift a few planets to Empire B solely for the purpose of keeping them around so that I could instead have Empire A elminated?<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Why sure you can. But you can also expect that sort of tactic not to sit well with everybody. So be prepared to deal with the "consequences" of your actions in later rounds. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

Geoschmo

[Fyron]

They have no way of knowing if I did that. For all they know, Empire B colonized planets in far-off locations without their knowledge. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

[geoschmo]

This is true, but keep in mind that Empire A's friends can do the same.

[Spoo]

-Spoon (Spoo to the Nth power?) <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">An excellent question.

Well you know what they say, "no spoos is bad spoos..." http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif

[Grandpa Kim]

Originally posted by geoschmo:
Dumbluck, as I said I really don't think it is likely to come up, but if it does I am going to come down hard on the player doing the closing, not the one being closed off. That's not a valid method for eliminating someone in my book.

Geoschmo<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Seems its my day to disagree with Geo. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif

I think this is a perfectly legitimate tactic. If anyone can afford the resources to close down the necessary 23 warp points in my gargantuan empire, they are welcome to try. But I would be utterly astounded if the game went on long enough for any one to try this tactic. If you are so rich and powerful you can afford to build these closers, how did you manage to NOT eliminate anyone?

Instead I would suggest that when, say, 6 or fewer players are left, the lost contact rule should no longer apply.

Kim

[tbontob]

Hi Geoschmo

I was on the game site and tried e-mailing the administrator. It came saying "Mailbox not available."

Here is what I tried to e-mail

Hello Geoschmo

I have this "Change Password" icon situated against my empire. I tried upteen times to change it, but it will not change. What do I do?

I am a "hardcopy" man, and absorb things much better if I have a printed copy. Whenever I try to make a printed copy [edit: of the FAQ)I end up with only the icons at the top of the page. Assuming this is possible, I would also like black on white (black letters on a which page), rather than white on black.

tbontob
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I have a ton of questions (such as "How do I view the shipsets" and "How do I install the shipsets") which I thought I'd try to get answered from the FAQ rather than bug you directly about them (I can only imagine the amount of time you are spending on administering the tournament. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif )

[ August 24, 2002, 18:07: Message edited by: tbontob ]

[tbontob]

Hmmm Geoschmo e-mailed me in response to my e-mail.

Yet I have the return notice in the figurative hands of my computer.

Go figure

[tbontob]

I would like to "upload my empire" to the tournament.

I vaguely remember reading something on how to do this--that is construction the empire (ship-set, empire icon etc) and then uploading the results. Does anybody know where it is.

I can't find anything on site (FAQ's) which explains how to view a prospective ship-set? How do you do it?

The Space Empires IV Gold Manual has 2 pages on "TCP/IP Games. Is the the same as PBW?

[Grandpa Kim]

Originally posted by tbontob:
I would like to "upload my empire" to the tournament.

I vaguely remember reading something on how to do this--that is construction the empire (ship-set, empire icon etc) and then uploading the results. Does anybody know where it is.

I can't find anything on site (FAQ's) which explains how to view a prospective ship-set? How do you do it?

The Space Empires IV Gold Manual has 2 pages on "TCP/IP Games. Is the the same as PBW?<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">To make and upload a new empire for any PBW game, just start a new game (v. 1.78 in this case) on your computer and build your empire as you normally would. You shouldn't have to change any settings since most everthing in this game is default.

Now, save that empire. Where in SEIV folder is up to you. I don't like to save mine to the Empires folder because then I may end up playing a solo game against myself! LOL.

Shut down the game and go to PBW game screen, click on upload empire and you will be led through the rest. Make sure you know the name of the shipset you are using so you can indicate that as others have done with theirs. (All stock shipsets are labled "Stock" followed by the actual name).

Many of the shipsets of your opponents will not be on your computer. Click on each of those shipset (in blue below each empire name) and a zip file will download to your computer. Unzip them and stick these in the pictures/races folder. Different people set these up in different ways, so check that each one you download is in the proper file. You may find some without a folder of its own. Make one and put the files in there. Others will have the folder buried three folders deep. Look for a folder named "pictures" within your "races" folder.

I'm not sure if you can preview shipsets in the PBW files. Those in your own SEIV folder can be viewed with any picture viewer-- or in the new game setup.

Kim

[ August 24, 2002, 21:46: Message edited by: Grandpakim ]

[capnq]

tbonbot, I e-mailed a reply to your "Change Password" question yesterday.

Geo, PM.

[geoschmo]

Players, Ok looks like Agrakil has withdrawn from game two. So that means he is eliminated and this round is over for the players in game two according to the rules I set down at the beginning of the tourney. We still need to eliminate one player from game one before we can set up round two though.

Told you it would be more of a test of stamina than anything else. Course even I figured we'd get through 6 turns. It wouldn't suprise me if most of you haven't even met anybody else yet.

Those of you in game one keep playing. As soon as someone is eliminated we'll call that one and get started on round two. This is the worst part cause half of you have to wait for a while. Once we get down to twenty players total this won't happen of course.

Geoschmo

[tbontob]

Thanx capnq http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

[Gandalph]

OK, so it's been almost a month now. How is the other game going? Inquiring minds want to know! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

[ September 29, 2002, 22:36: Message edited by: Gandalph ]

[Ragnarok]

Yeah really. Is anyone even close to being finished off yet? I'm getting anxious to play the next game. I'm still messing around in game 2 with two others passing time.

[geoschmo]

Well, I have been hearing for a few turns now reports from various parts of the galaxy of one guy or the other about to be killed off. But it appears that they are all hanging on tenaciously.

This WON't be the way it is every round, I assure you. This first round has been skewed by the fact that one guy dropped outbasically at the start, only plying one turn before doing so.

Geoschmo

[Grandpa Kim]

Umm... maybe we could help kill somebody off?... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

Kim

[tbontob]

Originally posted by Grandpa Kim:
Umm... maybe we could help kill somebody off?... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

Kim<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Pssst Kim

Could you loan me a few dreadnoughts? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

I promise to return them to you. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

(tbontob skulks away in a dark grey overcoat believing that no one has observed him)

Edited for spelling

[ September 30, 2002, 14:33: Message edited by: tbontob ]

[Gorgo]

Tesco just lost 16 ships in my minefield, so no progress on that front. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

[tesco samoa]

I will be back in 3 turns with some additional ships added to the next fleet. Yep Mine sweepers. Fear not I will keep my promise http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

[sparhawk]

Well, looks like tesco will start researching minesweeper technology right away... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

Sparhawk

[ September 30, 2002, 12:03: Message edited by: sparhawk ]

[tbontob]

Hey guys

Is round 1 of game 1 not over?

Like, I mean, a player has missed 5 consecutive turns.

Yet, I recieved notification of a new turn.

[tbontob]

The first round of game 1 is over!

Game 1, Round 1 officially started on August 22nd for game empires.

The first turn of Round 1 started on August 28th.

This is going to be a long game when one considers:
1) 8 more rounds before Game1 and Game2 join up
2) 19 more rounds to discover the winner.

Let’s see how long:
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(Tbontob pulls out an abacus and madly starts pushing beads back and forth until he suddenly realizes he does not know how to use an abacus!

He considers taking a course “Using the abacus 101” at the local university but finds it will take a year to complete.

He sadly contemplates the smoking ruin of his hand held calculator which had been used to determine “the nature of the quark in its relation to a black hole” and for which he is certain he will win the Nobel Prize.

He starts to panic when he realizes that he will actually have to use some brain cells to calculate the amount of time it will take to complete the game.)
----------------------------------------
Figuring 27 more rounds at approximately one and a third months per round, it will take us about three years (October, 2005) to complete the game.

And this is probably an optimistic estimate. In both Games1 and Game2, a player dropped out to end it!

Chances are that it may take as long as 2006 and even beyond. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

[geoschmo]

Yep yep! Round 1 is over. Moncan bailed and missed five turns with no notice. Hopefully he is allright and everything, but the tournamnet will not wait for him.

Congratulations to all who survived round one. Looks like at least game 1 lived up to the promise. Got some really fun stuff going back and forth. Alliances, and enemies. One guy at least got through round 1 by the skin of his teeth, and I am sure he is very eager to meet up with his attackers in round 2.

Yes, should be quite interesting...

Games wiil be put up on PBW shortly and you will have a week to get joined up.

In true Survivor fasion, I am considering some minor changes to the format. Nothing drastic. It shouldn't affect your strategy too much, but stay tuned for more details.

Geoschmo

[Rollo]

How about if players get assigned to game 1 or game 2 by random draw?
Just an idea.

Rollo

[Fyron]

Damn it... that screws everything up...

[Rollo]

Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:
Damn it... that screws everything up...<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">What? My idea or that the round is over?

[Fyron]

The fact that the round is over...

[Fyron]

Geo:
Please abbreviate Survivor Multiplayer Elimination Tournament in the future. The insane length of the game names is rather annoying... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

[Rollo]

yeah, SMET is better http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

[tbontob]

Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:
Geo:
Please abbreviate Survivor Multiplayer Elimination Tournament in the future. The insane length of the game names is rather annoying... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Has my vote too! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

[Spoo]

Hehe. I was down to three planets (none of which was my homeworld). ZERO resource production. One was rioting and blockaded. All had enemy ships just a turn away. And on top of that I had to scrap my few remaining research facilities just to build a couple mines.

And as I understand it, Gorgo was in worse shape http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

[geoschmo]

Originally posted by tbontob:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:
Geo:
Please abbreviate Survivor Multiplayer Elimination Tournament in the future. The insane length of the game names is rather annoying... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Has my vote too! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Hehe. Well I was trying to be complete. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Coincdentally I did appreviate it somewhat in this round. The game names are Svr2rd2g1 and Svr2rd2g2. Is that better?

Geoschmo

[Gorgo]

Originally posted by Spoo:
Hehe. I was down to three planets (none of which was my homeworld). ZERO resource production. One was rioting and blockaded. All had enemy ships just a turn away. And on top of that I had to scrap my few remaining research facilities just to build a couple mines.

And as I understand it, Gorgo was in worse shape http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Not quite. Because Tesco had lost 16 ships to my mines, he did not get to attack one of my 3 planets. At the end, I was 17th. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Gorgo

[Fyron]

Geoschmo:
I meant the name of the game on PBW, not the filename. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

[geoschmo]

Oh, Well that will have to wait till next round. I can't change it after I created the game. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

EDIT: Oh, and I guess it doesn't help that I mispelled "Emlimination" again. Doh!

[ October 05, 2002, 23:53: Message edited by: geoschmo ]

[geoschmo]

Originally posted by Rollo:
How about if players get assigned to game 1 or game 2 by random draw?
Just an idea.

Rollo<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">It's an idea I considered. That is what I did for the first Survivor tournament. However, I decided not to do that for two reasons. One, I didnt' really feel like doing it. It's extra work for me and I am basically a lazy person. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Two, I really like the idea of letting people pick and choose which game they are going to be in. If they have someone they want to play with because of a prearanged alliance, or someone they particuarly want to knock out of the tourney http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif this way they can make it happen.

Geoschmo

[Rollo]

yup, very understandable. especially the 'lazy' part http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

[Gimboid]

I can only imagine the political ramifications of what happened in round one... round 2 should be interesting indeed http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

[tbontob]

Originally posted by Gimboid:
I can only imagine the political ramifications of what happened in round one... round 2 should be interesting indeed http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Yes especially the ones who were on the verge of being eliminated, but were saved by the grace of God...or should I say "bell". http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

[geoschmo]

Players,

Round 2 signups are almost complete. Four more players to join. Some of you that have joined also need to get your empire files uploaded.

If you were paying attention you may have noticed I hinted at some possible format changes a few days ago. I am ready to tell you what that is now. It's not anything too drastic, but they are changes.

There was some in depth discussion about ways to speed the tournament up. Mainly the suggestion was made to keep the players separated into two Groups, and allow each group to start the next round as soon as they completed the current one. While this is not a bad suggestion, and it is one I considered prior to the start of round one, I decided against it for two reasons.

First and foremost, I wanted you to be able to pick which game you are in as long as the tournament is large enough to force more than one game. This allows you the maximum flexibility to play with, or against, or to avoid particular people if you wish to in the early rounds of the tournament.

The second reason is while the current format is likely to be a small amount longer in total, the difference will be not that great, and the amount of time any one particular person would have to sit idle would be split up into smaller, more manageable chunks between each round. Instead of half the players sitting idle for weeks or months between rounds 10 and 11.

That being said I am making some changes to hopefully compromise a bit and speed things up somewhat, without radically altering the tournament format or taking away your freedom of choice.

First of all, starting now and until further notice if you are going to miss more than THREE consecutive game turns, you must notify me by email AND the other players by posting something in the game forum. The old rule was five turns. That is now THREE turns.

PLEASE NOTE, this DOES NOT mean you can't miss more than three turns. I understand people have lives, have vacations, get sick, etc. I am not being unreasonable. All I am saying is you have to miss turns, let us know so we don't wait all that time wondering if you are coming back, only to have you never come back. It happens. It happened twice in the first round.

The second change is this. I call it the "second chance protocol". Starting with round 2 and continuing until further notice if a player is eliminated due to abandoning the game during the first 20 turns, we will continue playing that game until one of the following occurs:

A second player is eliminated due to abandoning the game.

or

One or more players are eliminated through actual in game annihilation/surrender.

Once the next player is eliminated from that game either before or after the 20th round, that game will end.

If a player is eliminated due to in game annihilation/surrender prior to round 20 and no one in that game has been eliminated due to abandonment prior to that point, the game will stop at that point.

If more than one player is eliminated by any means on the same turn, that game will cease at that point.

If a player leaves a game due to abandonment before the 20th turn and the game excersices the "Second Chance Protocol" I will take over that empire and eliminate them in game by scrapping ships and abandoning colonies.

I am aware this may result in slight discrepancies between games as far as the number of players are concerned. I do not think it is critical as at most it will result in one extra person being eliminated from one game. I think that slight discrepancy is worth the time that will be saved off the end of the tournament.

One other thing. This isn't really a change, but a clarification. I mention it because it almost happened in round 1. If a player is eliminated due to abandonment (excluding the conditions detailed above), the game is declared over at the moment the turn commences processing the third consecutive turn missed without notice. If an in game elimination were to occur during that turn as it processes, the person that would have been eliminated will be deemed not to have been eliminated. The reason is that none of the subsequent processing of the turn is relevant due to the fact that the game was declared over the moment the turn commenced processing. (That's a fancy way of saying, "Ties go to the runner. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif )

Let's get those empires loaded. And have fun!

Geoschmo

[tesco samoa]

Gorgo you just made it. That fleet next to your planet on that Last turn could sweep 160 mines... And I had split it to attack your 3 planets that round... So if you did not have greater than 60 to 80 mines above your planets you were dead. But the game ended, no biggie...

So good luck in round two and enjoy the game.

Take Care.

It was interesting to say the least

[geoschmo]

Carnifex,georgig,TheBratt,docshane,

You have succesfully joined a round two game, but you have not yet uploaded your empire file. You have 24 hours to do so (or at least contact me) or YOU WILL BE ELIMINATED from the tournament.

--------------------------

Edly the Deadly,GozGUY,mark_w,

You have not yet joined a round two game despite earning a spot by surviving through round one. You have 24 hours to join a game, get approved and get your empire uploaded or YOU WILL BE ELIMINATED from the tournament.

Geoschmo

[Zarix]

The second round has started.

[tesco samoa]

yep... good luck everyone

[Baron Grazic]

So how goes the Tournie?

[Ragnarok]

AFAIK it's going pretty good. We've had one player drop out and the second chance rule came into play. So we still waiting on a empire to lose or another player to drop. We are currently at 2402.7. Any more details Geo will have to answer.

[geoschmo]

One round 2 game has finished. Someone didn't read the rule about taking out the PBW admins and eliminated LazarusLong. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

The other game looks to be moving along nicely. As soon as it finishes we will start round 3.

Geoschmo

[LazarusLong42]

Originally posted by geoschmo:
Someone didn't read the rule about taking out the PBW admins and eliminated LazarusLong. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">LOL!! I'll make sure to invoke that rule in the next Survivor Tourney http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Seriously, though... they got me fair and square... and good. Having three people's ships converging on your homeworld is an interesting, if not pretty, sight... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

[Gimboid]

Does that mean i am the Last PBW admin left in this tourney http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif

Well i'll try to put on a good show then http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon6.gif

[tesco samoa]

We will hunt you down like a dog.

[Gimboid]

Hahahaha

[geoschmo]

Round 2 is over. We had another player eliminated by rule for missing three consecutive turns with no notice in the forum. Congradulations all who survived. The round 3 games are set up and you will have one week to get joined approved and your empire uploaded.

I know of at least one person who will be taking an extended leave during the early part of round 3. Make sure that if you are going to miss three turns in a row or more that you post something in the game forum for your round 3 game. Sending me an email is fine too, but please do not rely soley on an email to me. Email is unreliable. Posting in the forum is the only way to guarantee you won't lose your spot due to absence.

I have had some requests to take a break over the holidays. Sorry, but we aren't going to be doing that. I understand some people may not like this, but it's something I made perfectly clear to everyone before the start of round 1. You have the option of finding a replacement or allowing the AI to play your turns in your absence. But the games will go on.

Geoschmo

[geoschmo]

Minor rule change. Starting resources will be 100,000, and starting planets will be good. This should give you a small nudge early on and get the games moving a little faster. Could make for some interesting situations for anyone starting close together. Do you ally together, or go for a quick kill?

Round three signups are well underway. Those that have not signed up yet have until Thursday morning EST to do so. We are still waiting on five players to apply to join. And a few that have signed up have not uploaded their empires yet.

We do have an unusual circumstance that I want to make everyone aware of. Askan made a post in the round two game forum that he would be out of town from the 29th to the 13th. I had hoped he would get my message about round 2 ending before he left town, but apparently he didn't. I stated at the begining of the tourney if this happened and I was aware of the absence up front I would make allowance for it. I will be playing Askan's empire for the first few turns. When he returns from vacation he can take it back over. I am not on par with Askan, but I think I can do better than the AI. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Geoschmo

EDIT: Correction. Only waiting on two player to apply for round 3. Forgot we had a few withdraw between round 1 and 2. Total number of players left in the tourney at this point is 28.

[ December 02, 2002, 19:26: Message edited by: geoschmo ]

[Ragnarok]

Sweet. Can't wait to get going again.

[tesco samoa]

hey geo your playing.... whats up with that... Were you in the other game...

[tesco samoa]

bah...

Me thinks I should read before hand...

[geoschmo]

Still waiting on 2 players to join and 7 players to upload empire files. 24 hours to go before I start booting people. Hop to it. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

Geoschmo

[geoschmo]

Players, We are still waiting on Tbontob to apply to join. The week is up, but I am giving him twelve more hours because a non tourney player had applied to join Last night and I did not notice and kick him till just now. Tbontob could have been tying to join after that and been unable to. If he has not applied by this evening I will start that game. THe other game has all it's players and empires so I will get it started this morning.

Geoschmo

[geoschmo]

Players, Round 3 game 2 cannot begin as planned. We have problems with three empire files.

Rex - You uploaded an empire file with no password

Verm - You are using the stock Xiati shipset. This was also used by Simplify, and since he marked his as such and you did not, he gets it this time. Please modify your empire file to use another shipsset not already being used by another player. Refer to the game info screen to see who is using what.

Warlord Ragnorok. You have used to many racial points creating your empire file. Please correct this. THe Tourney games are 2000 racial points.

You all have 24 hours to get these issues corrected and upload new empires. I have set all three of you back to empire needed.

Geoschmo

[Ragnarok]

Originally posted by geoschmo:

Warlord Ragnorok. You have used to many racial points creating your empire file. Please correct this. THe Tourney games are 2000 racial points.
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Dang it, did it again. I uploaded the wrong EMP file. And I just did it before coming to this forum. So it's wrong for the second time in this round. Sorry about that Geo, my bad... I could have sworn I only used 2K points. I feel like such an idiot now. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif

[geoschmo]

So you need me to set up back to empire needed, is that what you are saying?

Could you drop me an email Ragnorok? dayton_dragons@yahoo.com

Geoschmo

[Ragnarok]

Originally posted by geoschmo:
So you need me to set up back to empire needed, is that what you are saying?

Could you drop me an email Ragnorok? dayton_dragons@yahoo.com

Geoschmo<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Yeah that is what I am saying. I can't believe I did that though. It's completly my fault, sorry about that.

[Ragnarok]

Ok, I uploaded the empire. It should be 2000 points. If not I'm going scream.

[geoschmo]

Round 3 is underway!

[geoschmo]

Players, since the start of the Survivor 2 tournament I have been cocsistant and firm in my reluctance to pause the game for holidays. While this may be an inconvience for you, and taking a break may make perfect sense to you, please consider that this game is global and not everyone here may observe the Christmas holiday. And not everyone that does may need or wish to take a break during it. We simply cannot pause the games everytime anyone needs a few days off or we won't ever get done. I have always said this tournament is as much a marathon as anything else.

I am not going to change my position, however I will bend it a bit. Consider it my Christmas gift to all of you. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

First, starting now and running until Jan 7th, I will change the turns to 72 hour turns. It will still be on automatic processing, but you will have more time to get your turn in.

Secondly, if you need to miss some turns due to family obligations, do not feel pressure to contact me. I will not boot anyone for turns missed during the holiday season. When we get back to Janruary 7th I will start the turn missed counter on everyone at zero. If you have to miss some turns after that though let me know.

Geoschmo

[Arcane]

I know you started this game already, but would it be possible for me to join it anyway?

I really like SE4, and I've been searching for an Online game for quite a while, but I can't find any new ones.

If I can't join anymore, could you give me a link of a game that hasn't started yet?

Thanks

Arcane

[Ragnarok]

Arcane

*(Pending on Geo's answer I would suggest you go to the PBW site and find a open game. There are alot of newbie games and other games as well.
Here ya go, Link to PBW. (http://seiv.pbw.cc/)

Just go to the open games section - URL for open games (http://seiv.pbw.cc/graphic/games.jsp)- and find one that sounds appealing to you.

By the way: Welcome to the forum. It is a great place to be if you need help or are just looking for friendly conversations. Or if you want cartoon violance - Cantina - or just plain nonsence - thread that never dies and changes names all the time - visit those two forums and you will be messed up for life. (Many of us can attest to that. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif )

[Dralasite]

It was nice to read the wrap up of the earlier rounds. I hope to hear more once the 3rd round is over!

[geoschmo]

Sorry Arcane, there is no way to add people to the Survior tourney after the first round begins. As Raganrok suggest there are many open games on PBW. If you like 1 on 1 games there is also the PBW K.O.T.H. League. (http://seiv.pbw.cc/koth.htm)

Geoschmo

[Alpha Kodiak]

Geo, any possibility of getting the games back on 36 hour turns? Things seem to be slowing down a bit.

[geoschmo]

Yep.

[geoschmo]

Round three game one has ended and game two is close by the reports I am receiving.

As soon as it finishes we will go right into round 4.

I will have some news for round 4. Going to do one thing a little different for the next round. But I am going to keep that quiet until round 3 is completely done.

Geoschmo

[Grandpa Kim]

Geoschmo, are you going to put up the stats for that game? Inquiring minds want to know.

[geoschmo]

Ok, I set it so you should be able to view the stats now.

Geoschmo

[Gandalph]

I'm relieved that one is over. Had a bad start and was really worried that I would be eliminated. 11th out of 14, not a good game, but I SURVIVED for the next one.

[Ragnarok]

Geo, just so you know our game is over I believe. I opened this savegame and the Mklth are destroyed. Many empires were after him and he is no more. When will the next round be starting?

[geoschmo]

Round Four games are up. Read the Game description carefully please.
Something a little different this time around.

Geoschmo

[Graeme Dice]

Originally posted by Ragnarok:
Geo, just so you know our game is over I believe. I opened this savegame and the Mklth are destroyed. Many empires were after him and he is no more. When will the next round be starting?<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">You'd better believe it I got destroyed. Being surrounded by three hostile empires is not a recipe for success in SE4. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

[sparhawk]

mmmm, yes Geoschmo is three people in one round not a little to much???

sparhawk

[geoschmo]

Sparhawk, 3 out of 13 I don't think is bad. I am just a little anxious to get things down to one game is all. After this round only one person per round should be eliminated, instead of the two per round minimum with two games. Also, when you consider it entirely possible that two could be eliminated from each game anyway due to abandonments or whatever, it's really only one extra person in each game.

Geoschmo

[geoschmo]

Originally posted by Askan Nightbringer:
I'm retiring from the tournament. My days at SE4 are coming to an end and I pass my title onto the next worthy victor.

Askan
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Really? Well I am sorry to see you go. But if you are gonna I guess it's better to do it between rounds. If you change your mind please let me know.

Geoschmo

[ February 20, 2003, 13:15: Message edited by: geoschmo ]

[sparhawk]

True Geoschmo, but game 2 now has 12 player: only two people have to leave????

sparhawk

[geoschmo]

Originally posted by sparhawk:
True Geoschmo, but game 2 now has 12 player: only two people have to leave????

sparhawk<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">That is correct. Because Askan has chosen not to continue, that reduces the number of available players and reduces the number needed to eliminate to get to 20 after this round. There are still five more eligible players that have not joined their round 4 game. It's still entirely possible one or mroe of these players will choose not to continue, further reducing the number of players. If more then 2 of the 5 do so I will have to kick one of the players from game 2 and have them join game 1. But I won't know that for a few days.

Geoschmo

[Rollo]

Geo, when will the next round start?
I will be away from Feb 21 to March 2. Should I make arrangements that somebody else runs my first turns?

Rollo

[geoschmo]

Originally posted by Rollo:
Geo, when will the next round start?
I will be away from Feb 21 to March 2. Should I make arrangements that somebody else runs my first turns?

Rollo<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">The games will start as soon as everyone has joined an uploaded their empires, or as late as the evening of February 25th. If anyone has not joined or uploaded their empires by that point they get bumped according to the rules of the tourney.

I'd say chances are very good that the first turn will fall during your absence. You should have someone available unless you trust the AI to handle it. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Geoschmo

[tbontob]

Originally posted by geoschmo:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by sparhawk:
True Geoschmo, but game 2 now has 12 player: only two people have to leave????

sparhawk<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">That is correct. Because Askan has chosen not to continue, that reduces the number of available players and reduces the number needed to eliminate to get to 20 after this round. There are still five more eligible players that have not joined their round 4 game. It's still entirely possible one or mroe of these players will choose not to continue, further reducing the number of players. If more then 2 of the 5 do so I will have to kick one of the players from game 2 and have them join game 1. But I won't know that for a few days.

Geoschmo</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">My thoughts..... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

It would appear that the number of players now left are 25. By locking out Game2 at 12 players, you are potentially forcing all 5 remaining players into Game1 and forcing Game1 to have 13 players.

I would think a better way would be to leave Game1 and Game2 open till the 13 player limit is reached. If the difference between the two games is 2 or greater, then the Last players are shifted from the game with the larger number of players to the lesser untill the difference is 0 or 1.

Of course, the above assumes all remaining 5 players will join. If not, there isn't a problem.

Just my 2 cents worth. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon6.gif

[geoschmo]

The reason I locked game 2 was to reduce the posibility of having to bump someone from a game. If all 25 remaining players join a game that gives us one game of 13 and one of 12 and it doesn't matter which is which and so leaving them both open makes as much sense as not. However since I don't know yet if all the rest of the players are going to sign up we could have ended up with 13 in one and needing to bump someone to even things up. This way we only need to bump someone if more than two of the remaining four eligible players don't sign up. Which I think is unlikely.

Geoschmo

[Rollo]

Originally posted by geoschmo:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Rollo:
Geo, when will the next round start?
I will be away from Feb 21 to March 2. Should I make arrangements that somebody else runs my first turns?

Rollo<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">The games will start as soon as everyone has joined an uploaded their empires, or as late as the evening of February 25th. If anyone has not joined or uploaded their empires by that point they get bumped according to the rules of the tourney.

I'd say chances are very good that the first turn will fall during your absence. You should have someone available unless you trust the AI to handle it. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Geoschmo</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">okie dokie

[tbontob]

Originally posted by geoschmo:
The reason I locked game 2 was to reduce the posibility of having to bump someone from a game. If all 25 remaining players join a game that gives us one game of 13 and one of 12 and it doesn't matter which is which and so leaving them both open makes as much sense as not. However since I don't know yet if all the rest of the players are going to sign up we could have ended up with 13 in one and needing to bump someone to even things up. This way we only need to bump someone if more than two of the remaining four eligible players don't sign up. Which I think is unlikely.

Geoschmo<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Yes, that is what I thought was the reason for this particular modus operandi.

However, for some reason there seems to be a preference for game2.

If all players join, would you be prepared to allow a player to move from Game1 to Game2?

Otherwise you are forcing all remaining players to join Game1.

Just so you do know that I have no personal stake in this, I have no desire to move to Game2. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

[Asmala]

This tournament sounds very nice. Too bad when it started I didn't know anyting about it because I didn't played SE4 at the time. I guess it will take very long before Survivor 3 start (if there is going to be such) but how long? I'd like to know how long I have to wait, few months or over year?

[geoschmo]

Well, Survivor 1 ran for more than a year. Survivor 2 started in August. It's hard to say how long it will Last but chances are it will be months.

There isn't a reason really we couldn't have separate tournaments running at the same time. I'd call it something else to avoid confusion. Would probably make it a different format too.

Taking suggestions for possible new tournament here. (http://www.shrapnelgames.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=23;t=008261)

Geoschmo

[ February 20, 2003, 19:07: Message edited by: geoschmo ]

[spoon]

However, for some reason there seems to be a preference for game2.
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Everyone is afraid of the Worms of Woe in Game1. Askan was so intimidated, he quit altogether...

[geoschmo]

Originally posted by spoon:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">
However, for some reason there seems to be a preference for game2.
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Everyone is afraid of the Worms of Woe in Game1. Askan was so intimidated, he quit altogether...</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Oh my. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif I am sure that's not it. But if it makes you feel better to think so... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

P.S. Askan, if you feel the need to rejoin now and teach Spoon a lesson for his insolence, let me know. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

[Grandpa Kim]

Everyone is afraid of the Worms of Woe in Game1. <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Nope, worms are icky!

[Rollo]

say spoon, what are those weird circles on your forehead... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/confused.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

[rextorres]

Originally posted by geoschmo:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by sparhawk:
True Geoschmo, but game 2 now has 12 player: only two people have to leave????

sparhawk<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">That is correct. Because Askan has chosen not to continue, that reduces the number of available players and reduces the number needed to eliminate to get to 20 after this round. There are still five more eligible players that have not joined their round 4 game. It's still entirely possible one or mroe of these players will choose not to continue, further reducing the number of players. If more then 2 of the 5 do so I will have to kick one of the players from game 2 and have them join game 1. But I won't know that for a few days.

Geoschmo</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I don't think forcing a player to switch is fair!! If the switched player has been cooperating with other players in his own group he all of a sudden is isolated in the new group without any friends. If group 1 has only ten players they should just start with that amount and force them to eliminate one of their players. Merging should happen all at once not piece meal.

[geoschmo]

Originally posted by rextorres:
I don't think forcing a player to switch is fair!! ...<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Correct. And that's why I locked game 2 when I did. However you will be pleased to know it's no longer a question of anyone needing to switch games cause Game 1 has 11 players now. Game one is going to have 11, 12, or 13 players. Whatever the final number game 2 can keep it's 12 and things will be as even as is possible.
I don't care which game has more as long as neither has more than one more than the other.

Geoschmo

[rextorres]

Cool! Thanks for organizing this BTW!

[Askan Nightbringer]

I'm retiring from the tournament. My days at SE4 are coming to an end and I pass my title onto the next worthy victor.

Askan

When SE5 comes at I'll be back at the tournaments, and woe to all who challenge the Empire of Night.

[tbontob]

Originally posted by geoschmo:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by rextorres:
I don't think forcing a player to switch is fair!! ...<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Correct. And that's why I locked game 2 when I did. However you will be pleased to know it's no longer a question of anyone needing to switch games cause Game 1 has 11 players now. Game one is going to have 11, 12, or 13 players. Whatever the final number game 2 can keep it's 12 and things will be as even as is possible.
I don't care which game has more as long as neither has more than one more than the other.

Geoschmo</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">EDIT: Seems I didn't post my comments which are as follows: http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Yes, the issue is fairness.

When the game first started we were given to understand that we have a choice of games, so long as the games came out relatively equal.

IIRC, Geoschmo stated prior to the start of game 1, that if there was a disproportionality in players, he may have to transfer players from one game to another if no one volunteered.

So it was stated, very clearly and it was all above board. There was no talk of a lockout.

This was also understood in succeeding games.

That being the case, in game 1, if the situation was 20-18 or 18-20 or worse, the administrator would be right in transfering a player from one game to another if no one volunteered.

Basically, the difference now is the numbers, 13-13, 13-11 or 11-13 or whatever and that a cap can be placed on each game at 13 because we "know" we have 26 players. If two players out of a roster of 26 do not register, the thirteenth player of the 13 player game is well aware that he is the odd man out.

Now, the thirteenth player may argue that he didn't know he would be transfered over. If he didn't know, it certainly is not the administrators fault who was very open about his intention that the final cut should be equal games as possible.

[ February 21, 2003, 01:19: Message edited by: tbontob ]

[Askan Nightbringer]

Originally posted by geoschmo:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by spoon:
Everyone is afraid of the Worms of Woe in Game1. Askan was so intimidated, he quit altogether...<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Oh my. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif I am sure that's not it. But if it makes you feel better to think so... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

P.S. Askan, if you feel the need to rejoin now and teach Spoon a lesson for his insolence, let me know. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">That's almost a reason to go back in. Although I thought the reason the Worms kept giving me tech was to appease me? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Askan

[geoschmo]

Anybody seen Tbontob lately? Still waiting on his empire file.

Geoschmo

[tbontob]

My apologies Geoschmo.

As soon as I read your message, I submitted my empire.

Hmmm. This makes it twice in a row. I'll try to make not to make it three times. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

How is that for confidence? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

[Fyron]

What an innaccurate thread title. "Almost underway", you say? What is this new turn in my inbox then? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif j/k

[Alpha Kodiak]

Geo, enquiring minds want to know: Why are the games on ALPU?

[geoschmo]

Only because I forget to set them to automatic. I had turned them to ALPU for the first turn (just a little habit I picked up over the Last few months) and I forgot to set them to FA when the first turns ran.

Geoschmo

[Grandpa Kim]

Geoschmo, no one else has mentioned it so maybe I missed something. Game 2 is set to starting resources medium and home planet average. The description still says high resources and good planet. Is this a change?

Kim

[geoschmo]

No Grandpa, that would be my mistake. I guess 8 turns in though we don't want to think about restarting. Hopefully if anyones strategy had been designed around that they would have mentioned it before now. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Geoschmo

[Grandpa Kim]

No, no effect on strategy, maybe a tweak or two on my empire. But hey, we're all in the same boat so no-one should be advantaged or disadvantaged.

Kim

[spoon]

Originally posted by geoschmo:
No Grandpa, that would be my mistake. I guess 8 turns in though we don't want to think about restarting. Hopefully if anyones strategy had been designed around that they would have mentioned it before now. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Geoschmo<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I'll only protest if I get eliminated. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

[Grandpa Kim]

The Zardalu Empire has surrendered in game 2. Just one more to go!

[geoschmo]

Ok. Um this may be a problem. Who did he surender to? Or do you just mean he was eliminated? We may need to play back that turn.

Geoschmo

[geoschmo]

No, strike that. I checked the situation and see no issue here. I reviewed my original rules and I had no restrictions on surrender. Perhaps since this round has multiple eliminations I could have, but I did not. Play on.

Geoschmo

[Alpha Kodiak]

Broadcast from the Namovan Information Minister:

There are no coalition colonies in the Eurul system! We have the Vikings trapped in the Tesshana system! The Tesconites are committing suicide in their ships! The Zanar'ri are fleeing before our unconventional attacks! The Unconi spies are hanging by their throats from the lampPosts of our streets! All are fleeing before the wrath of the Namovan Empire!

[Alpha Kodiak]

Broadcast from the Namovan Information Minister:

The Unconi have definitely not destroyed our homeworld of Eurul IV! They only came briefly to take pictures, then fled before our counter attack.

The cowardly Vikings are recoiling from our strongholds in Tesshana, and nothing has been heard from the Tesconites or the Zenar'ri. We assume they have fled the field entirely.

Still, any who would surrender to our all-conquering forces shall be dealt with in merciful and compassionate ways, consistent with the peaceful culture of the Namovan Empire. Our message to the members and troops of the coalition is: "Lay down your weapons, surrender to us, and you shall live."

[tbontob]

Game1 Round4 is over. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

We all capitulated to Alpha Kodiak. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

He snuck up on us while we were all ROFLOLing. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

EDIT: We are all requesting that his forces treat our peoples with compassion and mercy. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

[ May 11, 2003, 15:31: Message edited by: tbontob ]

[geoschmo]

Actually, though you appear to have got the details wrong http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif I think you are right about the game being over. Looks like another empire is dead. Although I haven't got an official notice from anyone.

Geoschmo

[Alpha Kodiak]

Broadcast from the Namovan Information Minister:

Greetings friends! We suggest that all now surrender to us for the entire tournament so that the Great Pax Namovica can commence in earnest.

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

[Zarix]

I won't be playing in the round 5. It has been very interesting tournament and I would like to keep playing but I don't have enough time. I thought it would be good to quit now so I won't slow down the game too much.

[Alpha Kodiak]

Broadcast from the Namovan Information Minister:

Automatic processing for the Survivor 2 Round 5 game is definitely not hung up. Processing is happening at the correct designated times! It is pure propaganda that the turn should have processed yesterday afternoon. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

[geoschmo]

Okay, that was fast. Ya'll must have gangned up on poor Sparhawk to knock him out so quickly. I have heard rumors of a "Coalition" doing some serious damage in the tourney. I would suggest if you don't know what I am talking about that you find out what I am talking about, or you may be next. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

Game is up and ready for the survivors to join.

Geoschmo

[sparhawk]

Well a coalition is a good idea.
NOT if five of that coalition are packed together next to each other with one enemy (me) also very very close by. So five enemies, with their homeworld within 3 systems reach is not funny http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif
Well I still got 19 turns http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Sparhawk

Maybe a very nice idea: check the map before the game is on... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif , because luckly I was not in the middle of them, but some could be.
It was really like 6 people right next to each other and the rest of the map open..

[ June 18, 2003, 10:59: Message edited by: sparhawk ]

[tesco samoa]

Unco , Spoon and Tesco are one team. We have been since the 1st game... I also had rollo , Nodachi and the Bratt in that team.... But they have been killed off over the Last few games....

Which kind of sucks... as 3 vs 17 has some long odds to over come

[spoon]

Originally posted by tesco samoa:
Unco , Spoon and Tesco are one team. We have been since the 1st game... I also had rollo , Nodachi and the Bratt in that team.... But they have been killed off over the Last few games....

Which kind of sucks... as 3 vs 17 has some long odds to over come<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I'm sure those seventeen will figure something out to even the odds. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

[tesco samoa]

Round six is underway... Any thing going on ???

[Spoo]

I will be away from 8/20-8/25. (just incase Geo gets a back-up server running)

[geoschmo]

Well I waited, I gave him two extra turns and tried to reach him by email but Tbontob has not responded. It's time to move the tournament along. Round 6 is over. Round 7 is up on PBW and waiting for the rest of you to sign up.

Surviving players eligible for Round seven:
Alpha Kodiak - - 1FSTCAT - - Binford
dreamplace - - Gandalph - - georgig
WarLord Ragnarok - - gravey101 - - Imperator Fyron
RexTorres - - Simplify - -
Spoo - - spoon - -
tescosamoa - - Unco - - Verm

[ September 07, 2003, 19:03: Message edited by: geoschmo ]

[dreamplace]

Sorry, everyone in the Survivor Tournament.
Due to heavy workload of my Master study, I think I will stop here and let everyone continue without me.

After round six, I'm playing one PBW game only, and I still hard to find spare time to make turn.

Sorry again.

Dreamplace

[geoschmo]

Survivor 2 round 7 is over. Fyron is out. Those of you remaining can join Survivor round 8 here.

http://seiv.pbw.cc/text/index.jsp?menu=gamemenu.jsp%3fgame=trn27p&body=gamebody.jsp%3fgame=trn27p

You have a week to get joined and get your empire loaded.

Surviving players eligible for Round eight:
Gandalph
Spoo
gravey101
Alpha Kodiak
spoon
Unco
RexTorres
1FSTCAT
georgig
Simplify
Verm
WarLord Ragnarok
tescosamoa

[ January 15, 2004, 12:28: Message edited by: geoschmo ]

[Alpha Kodiak]

Just want to make sure we don't have a duplicate shipset situation this round (we had one Last round.) Spoo and Ragnarok have the same shipset listed, and Rex's entry doesn't list its shipset. Last round Rex and Unco used the same shipset.

[geoschmo]

Thank you. Spoo pointed that out as well in an email and it's being handled.

[geoschmo]

Survivors, (and interested viewers)

Ok, been a while since I've sent a message out. We've got an interesting turn of events going on right now, I thought I'd bring you all up to speed on it.

As you all should know you all have pretty much grouped yourselves into two major alliances. This is fine with me. I decided a long time ago there wouldn't have been anything I could do to prevent it anyway.

One alliance has taken stock of the current game situation and decided that one of theirs is going to lose this round. They have decided to take matters into their own hands and have a "Vote" to decide which of their alliance should go.

This is not an official tournament vote, and I am not changing the rules of the tourney. I consider this to be just a different form of internal alliance politics, so I am not going to get involved, other then as an impartial third party to count the votes for them.

If the person voted off tells me they wish to withdraw from the tourney, I will allow them to do so. I have never refused to allow anyone to quit before, and have not asked for an explanations, so I don't feel it's my duty to compel them to stay in this case. I don't consider it cheating or collusion, since they aren't gaining anything from "taking a dive". They will be out of the tournament. Despite your alliances, this tournament is ultimatly a solo event. There are no points for being on "the winning team".

The vote however is not binding. If the person voted off decides they aren't ready to leave, I will not compel them to quit. They can try to switch sides to the other alliance, or even go it alone. If they outLast at least one other player they will remain in the tourney into the next round.

The round will continue as normally, turns running every 36 hours or when all players have uploaded. Until someone has been eliminated, or tells me they wish to withdraw.

[spoon]

What happens if Player A is voted off and surrenders, and Player B gets wiped out, all in the same turn?

[geoschmo]

If player A withdraws from the game by notifying me by email or in one of the forums, the game is over at that point. No turn will need processed, and so noone will be able to get wiped out. If the turn happens to run before I get a chance to shut it down, the results of the turn will be ignored. In this case Player B will survive to the next round.

If Player A doesn't formally notify me of their intent to withwdraw, and does so by surendering to someone else in game, and on the same turn Player B is wiped out, both players will be eliminated. The same as if two players were wiped out on the same turn and neither surendered.

[ April 06, 2004, 17:31: Message edited by: geoschmo ]

[spoon]

Was any decision reached?

[geoschmo]

Not yet. They are still voting. Turns should continue as normal until and unless I tell you different. Don't assume the game is over and not do your turn or anything.

[Alpha Kodiak]

Auto turn processing seems to be stuck.

[geoschmo]

Auto turns for the server are off because of the server problem the other night. But it's been long enough so I am going to turn them back on now. Turn should run shortly.

[Spoo]

It's over: IFSTCAT is dead.

[spoon]

Originally posted by Spoo:
It's over: IFSTCAT is dead. <font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Strange. Suddenly the galaxy smells much nicer. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

[Alpha Kodiak]

Geo, what is the status on starting the next round?

[geoschmo]

Sorry, I had a lot of homework yesterday. It's up there now. I sent out an email too.

Geoschmo

[Alpha Kodiak]

Originally posted by geoschmo:
Sorry, I had a lot of homework yesterday. It's up there now. I sent out an email too.

Geoschmo <font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Thanks! Gee, you doing homework too? I'm back in school myself, after more years than I would care to admit, and I am rapidly remembering why I hated homework. I did this to myself voluntarily, too. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif

[Gandalph]

Game over man, game over!!!

Love that line from Bill Paxton in Aliens.

[geoschmo]

New round is up on PBW. (http://seiv.pbw.cc/text/index.jsp?menu=gamemenu.jsp%3fgame=trb5cs&body=gamebody.jsp%3fgame=trb5cs)

[Ragnarok]

Round 10 is over for me. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif I only have one planet left and with 2 fleets closing in on it it will only be a turn or so until I am completely gone. I had horrible starting possition and hardly any space to expand to (only two directions to go) and the systems I did get control of were nothing to be glad about. But I am happy that I Lasted this long as I thought I would be gone in round 1. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif I hope everyone enjoys the rest of the round and I bid you all fare well and wish you the best in your journey to be the ultimate survivor!

[geoschmo]

Round 11 is up and waiting. (http://seiv.pbw.cc/text/index.jsp?menu=gamemenu.jsp%3fgame=trb5ct&amp;body=gam ebody.jsp%3fgame=trb5ct)

[Spoo]

I believe that my team (me, Gandalph, A.K. and Tesco) has decided to concede. We have been soundly beaten.