Star Trek Ship Plans

[Elowan]

On some web sites devoted to ST, I see reference to a book of schematics of ships. I have the only two ST books - including the 'tech' manual - that purport to offer that info and there are not that many schematics or ship plan views in them.

Is there a definitive book or web site (one that's not down) that has that info or ... ?

TIA.

[oleg]

Well, to make ships really "canon", one must use the edited screen shots of ST ships. Any attempt to make a model based on some book can legitimately provoke the cries of "not canon!"
In this sense, the most "canon" federation shipset is one on Kyat shipyards. All Atrocities' shipsets have a touch of his personality. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

[Elowan]

What I need - though - are plans (top, side, front, rear, bottom) views so that I can construct some meshes.

[ August 26, 2002, 19:36: Message edited by: Elowan ]

[tesco samoa]

Ok.... What the h*** is this canon thing or is it cannon..

I have seen both variations....

Are canon and cannon two seperate things and what are they and why are they such a touchy subject.
....

[Puke]

i dunno, but someone should take a cannon to these canonists.

[Elowan]

All I'm looking for is schematics. Who said anything about canon? Sheesh!

[Barnacle Bill]

Originally posted by Elowan:
All I'm looking for is schematics. Who said anything about canon? Sheesh!<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">For TOS, a company called Franz Josef Designs produced several licensed products which had some of this info. They are long out of print, though, as they were produced in the 1960's while TOS was still a prime time series on NBC. These were heavily used by the designers of Star Fleet Battles.

The "Star Fleet Technical Manual" had views of several Federation ships - top, side & front, IIRC. This included the Constitution-class Heavy Cruiser of course, plus the Scout, Destroyer & Tug (with various cargo modules). There was a page for the Dreadnought as well, but IIRC it was presented with fewer drawings as something for the "future" - not yet deployed by Star Fleet. No non-Federation ships were included.

FJD also produced a set of plans for the Constition class. This showed details of every deck.

The original SFB Designers Notes made references to such deck plans for the Klingon Battlecruiser and Romulan Warbird (as sen on TOS), which the SFB designer says were used in determining what those ships carried. I never saw these myself (I owned the first two).

I don't know of any web site with this stuff posted - probably would be of questionable legality anyway. You might try through some service that finds out of print books.

[Gryphin]

I seem to remember those plans. They were very, very detailed but did not include a "head". http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

[ManOfWar]

I will get the url for you.

[ August 26, 2002, 22:17: Message edited by: ManOfWar ]

[Phoenix-D]

"Are canon and cannon two seperate things and what are they and why are they such a touchy subject."

canon is applying to "official" material; basiclly anything that has been confirmed as existing in that universe. (also sometimes applies to stuff that doesn't blatently break the rules of that universe)

canNon. Well. That's a weapon http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Phoenix-D

[Sinapus]

Originally posted by tesco samoa:
Ok.... What the h*** is this canon thing or is it cannon..

I have seen both variations....

Are canon and cannon two seperate things and what are they and why are they such a touchy subject.
....<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Cannon is a big gun.

Canon is according to what is written, said, shown, etc in a show or book.

[DirectorTsaarx]

From the Merriam-Webster Online dictionary:
The "two-n" Cannon:

Main Entry: cannon
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural cannons or cannon
Etymology: Middle French canon, from Italian cannone, literally, large tube, augmentative of canna reed, tube, from Latin, cane, reed -- more at CANE
Date: 15th century
1 plural usually cannon a : a large heavy gun usually mounted on a carriage b : a heavy-caliber automatic aircraft gun firing explosive shells
2 or can·on : the projecting part of a bell by which it is hung
3 : the part of the leg in which the cannon bone is found<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">And the "one-n" Canon:

Main Entry: can·on
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Old English, from Late Latin, from Latin, ruler, rule, model, standard, from Greek kanOn
Date: before 12th century
1 a : a regulation or dogma decreed by a church council b : a provision of canon law
2 [Middle English, prob. from Old French, from Late Latin, from Latin, model] : the most solemn and unvarying part of the Mass including the consecration of the bread and wine
3 [Middle English, from Late Latin, from Latin, standard] a : an authoritative list of books accepted as Holy Scripture b : the authentic works of a writer c : a sanctioned or accepted group or body of related works &lt;the canon of great literature&gt;
4 a : an accepted principle or rule b : a criterion or standard of judgment c : a body of principles, rules, standards, or norms
5 [Late Greek kanOn, from Greek, model] : a contrapuntal musical composition in two or more voice parts in which the melody is imitated exactly and completely by the successive voices though not always at the same pitch
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">

[gregebowman]

Originally posted by Barnacle Bill:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Elowan:
All I'm looking for is schematics. Who said anything about canon? Sheesh!<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">For TOS, a company called Franz Josef Designs produced several licensed products which had some of this info. They are long out of print, though, as they were produced in the 1960's while TOS was still a prime time series on NBC. These were heavily used by the designers of Star Fleet Battles.

The "Star Fleet Technical Manual" had views of several Federation ships - top, side & front, IIRC. This included the Constitution-class Heavy Cruiser of course, plus the Scout, Destroyer & Tug (with various cargo modules). There was a page for the Dreadnought as well, but IIRC it was presented with fewer drawings as something for the "future" - not yet deployed by Star Fleet. No non-Federation ships were included.

FJD also produced a set of plans for the Constition class. This showed details of every deck.

The original SFB Designers Notes made references to such deck plans for the Klingon Battlecruiser and Romulan Warbird (as sen on TOS), which the SFB designer says were used in determining what those ships carried. I never saw these myself (I owned the first two).

I don't know of any web site with this stuff posted - probably would be of questionable legality anyway. You might try through some service that finds out of print books.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I still have the original Star Trek manual, although the exact title slips my mind. I also have the original map of the TOS Enterprise that came out in the 70's. It was great stuff for a teenage Trekkie at the time. (Yes, I am a Trekkie, not a Trekker). I have played Star Fleet Battles, but I never owned any of the books or miniatures. I preferred FASA's Version, because it seemed to me that SFB was just way too technical and micro-managed. And the computer Version had too much of a learning curve to it, so I set it aside after awhile. I much prefer this game to that one.

[ August 27, 2002, 18:22: Message edited by: gregebowman ]

[Elowan]

I have 'Star Fleet Technical Manual' which is not all that great dwg-wise.

[Elowan]

Atrocities -- thanks for the tip. Good ref area! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

[Toryin]

Shipschematics.net is back up again? Cool.

Last time I had visited the administrator was taking it down cause of money problems. That was over two years ago mind you, so of course I have been out of touch.

None the less, its a cool site.

[Trajan]

That is an very fine website. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

[oleg]

- please ignore -

[ August 28, 2002, 13:53: Message edited by: oleg ]

[Atrocities]

http://www.shipschematics.net/

I have the deck by deck blue prints of the Enterprise, Enterprise A, Enterprise B, and Enterprise D. Also the Star Empire, Klingon D7 Battle Cruiser, the Romulan Bird of Pray, and the Klingon Bird of Pray.

The Original Enterprise Blue Prints are awsome, as are all them. Very detailed. Deck by deck. You would not believe the quality of them.

[ August 27, 2002, 12:56: Message edited by: Atrocities ]

[Barnacle Bill]

Originally posted by Gryphin:
I seem to remember those plans. They were very, very detailed but did not include a "head". http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Yes they did - they were drawn by somebody whose experience was building floor plans, in which "heads" are called "water closets", and abreviated "wc" or "w/c" on the prints.