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Raging Deadstar
December 22nd, 2002, 03:02 PM
I'm currently working on a webiste to house all the space empires fanfictions, i'm going to have this site up hopefully in 2 weeks so if any of you authors want your story on it please post here

If any of you have MSN my e-mails deathtomymuses@hotmail.com and my AIM is Deathtomymuses

Thanx guys

[ December 22, 2002, 13:08: Message edited by: Raging Deadstar ]

Ragnarok
December 22nd, 2002, 09:28 PM
Ooo, Ooo, I want mine on there..... Please..... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

mlmbd
December 22nd, 2002, 10:04 PM
does the 'Lurk Report' qualify, as scifi? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

Had to ask!

mlmbd http://www.shrapnelgames.com//ubb/icons/icon6.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif

Raging Deadstar
December 23rd, 2002, 09:14 PM
Lol sorry mlmbd but nope it don't http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Sure rags, you're first up. Sachmo, Ruatha, Geoschmo you up for it? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/confused.gif

mlmbd
December 23rd, 2002, 09:29 PM
Gyp! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

mlmbd http://www.shrapnelgames.com//ubb/icons/icon6.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif

geoschmo
December 23rd, 2002, 09:54 PM
Are you wanting permission to post my stuff (you have it) or are you wanting me to post it to your site (I will get to it at some point. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif )?

Geo

sachmo
December 23rd, 2002, 11:49 PM
I would love to post my story to your site.

dogscoff
December 24th, 2002, 10:48 AM
RD: I would love to contribute. Please feel free to copy/paste any or all of the stories from my own fiction page (http://www.sandman43.fsnet.co.uk/se4fiction.htm). Please could you provide a link back to my page though.

[ December 24, 2002, 08:50: Message edited by: dogscoff ]

Raging Deadstar
December 24th, 2002, 12:09 PM
Thanx dogscoff, that just leaves ruathas newbie galactic combat and jmenschenfresser (sp?) History of the Galaxy II, well we got geos permission, but i'd much rather just make sure. Thanx for your co-operation guys and should be up and running soon http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

capnq
December 25th, 2002, 09:48 PM
History of the Galaxy II <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Anything posted on these forums is copyrighted by Shrapnel. (See the copyright statement at the bottom of their home page.) I'm sure they wouldn't mind you linking to the HotG2 thread, but I think you'd need Shrapnel's permission to repost the actual text, rather than the individual authors' permissions.

Raging Deadstar
January 1st, 2003, 09:12 PM
Thanx for that CapnQ, hopefully richard will read this thread and let us!

Atrocities, you willing to let me put your story on this site?

Jmenschenfresser
January 2nd, 2003, 11:17 PM
You certainly have my permission to copy any of my stuff (History 1 and 2)....

Oh, and Geo, did you ever find a replacement for the Heru? If not, I am feeling kinda ****ty that I abandonded the game in a moment of weakness and am more than happy to rejoin the game (with the explicit promise not to leave it again) if for nothing more than to keep if from dying.

Just now coming out of a major writer/player/poster/gamer funk. Not sure I have the addiction back, but you never know.

If someone has taken it over, nevermind...I just haven't checked in a week or two and can't check it now obviously.

Fyron
January 2nd, 2003, 11:26 PM
I took over the Heru. Any files of plans and such you have for them would be much appreciated! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

If you really want them back, you can have them. I don't want to stifle you if you are getting back in your groove. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

[ January 02, 2003, 21:27: Message edited by: Imperator Fyron ]

Ruatha
January 2nd, 2003, 11:31 PM
I can't think Tbontob will have any negative feelings about it, so go ahead (please) and put newbie galactic Combat II there as well (Soon to be continued, I just hope Tbontob doesnt' get eliminated!!))

Newbie Galactic Combat II Story Thread (http://www.shrapnelgames.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=23;t=007611)

[ January 02, 2003, 21:34: Message edited by: Ruatha ]

Suicide Junkie
January 3rd, 2003, 01:20 AM
This may help in tracking down all of the older stories and their authors:

http://www.geocities.com/hohoho611ca/storylinks.html

sachmo
January 12th, 2003, 07:41 PM
Did this happen?

Raging Deadstar
February 21st, 2003, 12:51 AM
I'm just finishing off the layout for it, it took me a while to get my other website hosted so this took a back seat for a while, i expect it to be done completely with most fanfictions on by mid march if not earlier. Thanx for the interest

Ruatha
February 21st, 2003, 02:58 AM
Originally posted by sachmo:
Did this happen?<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Ditto.

Atrocities
February 21st, 2003, 03:33 AM
Atrocities, you willing to let me put your story on this site?
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Sure. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Raging Deadstar
February 21st, 2003, 10:46 PM
Ok this is the list of stories the site will have on when it's launched.

Newbie Galactic Combat II
History of the Galaxy II
Once Upon the Stars
Hevordah Imperium
Rise of the Rhemoraz Society
Othaglot and Cane

Taera? if you allow me too can i put the A Portfolion Story up on the site?

I will hopefully get round to uploading a lot of the older SE3 and SEIV stories that other authors have written a few weeks after it's launched

Thanx for letting me do this guys, just finishing up the layout for the site (it's quite fancy, just my love of imaging coming through) It doesn't take long to load luckily, i'll get round to aquiring the stories in the next few weeks then it's launch time!

Ragnarok
February 21st, 2003, 11:40 PM
Originally posted by Raging Deadstar:
i'll get round to aquiring the stories in the next few weeks then it's launch time!<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Sweet, I can't wait for it to go Online. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif
I can't wait to see what you mean by fancy too. If it's what I consider fancy then it will be one hella site. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

Ruatha
February 22nd, 2003, 01:11 AM
Hmm. I was thinking.
Take NGC2 Story for example .. ( a coincidance that I chose that story, I assure you!)

THere are three different stories.
CaptRR's first installment in the series was posted retrospective.
i e it should be place before some of the stories that was before it.
I don't know if it makes any real difference but just wanted to point it out.

I've gone back and dated most of my story episodes (Those that I've posted). So if you haven't lifted it from this site yet, that's good.

[ February 21, 2003, 23:28: Message edited by: Ruatha ]

mlmbd
February 22nd, 2003, 05:39 PM
RD, still no need for the <font color=white>"</font><font color=#9933CC>LURK REPORT</font><font color=white>"</font>?? * sniff, sniff *

<font color=purple>mlmbd http://www.shrapnelgames.com//ubb/icons/icon6.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif </font>

Atrocities
February 26th, 2003, 05:15 AM
When you are ready to post the stories, would you let me know. I have had to make a few modifications to the OUTS story, and would like your site to have the most up to date Version.

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Ragnarok
March 7th, 2003, 08:13 PM
Bump
What's the progress report on this RD? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Raging Deadstar
March 9th, 2003, 01:04 PM
Yeah, the layouts almost done, i've been very busy with schoolwork so it took longer than expected, i'll post when it's done and maybe give a preview to see if people like it, then start upon making the story pages!

Hopefully it should be ready soon, the adding stories is going to be loooooonnnngggg part! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif

Ruatha
March 9th, 2003, 01:13 PM
I'm collecting the NGC2 story in ahtml page, with different colours for differnt authors.
Do you want that later or are you going to rip it from the forum?

CaptRR
March 11th, 2003, 05:08 AM
Ya I have a bad habit of braking the order of things. Most of my stories can be placed in a sort of timeline, but I don't like to date stuff since it locks me into a box, and I hate that http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Originally posted by Ruatha:
Hmm. I was thinking.
Take NGC2 Story for example .. ( a coincidance that I chose that story, I assure you!)

THere are three different stories.
CaptRR's first installment in the series was posted retrospective.
i e it should be place before some of the stories that was before it.
I don't know if it makes any real difference but just wanted to point it out.

I've gone back and dated most of my story episodes (Those that I've posted). So if you haven't lifted it from this site yet, that's good.<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">

Ruatha
March 11th, 2003, 03:00 PM
Yes. Sometimes I find that dating bit somewaht restricting. Still it helps me to keep track of events as they happen in the game.
That you don't date will make it easy for me to fit it in appropriate places (as I think appropriate...)

I've read all of "Once upon a stars", great story.
Most of "Hevordah imperum "and "Rise of the Remorzah".
I've been saving Othaglot as I'm not a great fan of detective stories but I'll read that when I find time anyway. It's se4 and it's Sci-Fi!

I've read "History of the Galaxy II2" but it's progressing very slowly, altough many perspectives there hasn't been much happening lately. Have the game paused?

dogscoff
March 11th, 2003, 06:14 PM
I've been saving Othaglot as I'm not a great fan of detective stories but I'll read that when I find time anyway. It's se4 and it's Sci-Fi!
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Just lately Othaglot & Cane seems to be drifting somewhat. I'm not sure you could call it a detective story any more- it's now just a good old tale of interstellar murder, betrayal, espionage, conspiracy, more betrayal and politics. Did I miss anything? Oh yeah, big unexpected explosions, reckless drinking and (in the best Enterprise tradition) a gratuitous alien shower scene. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

You're probably wise to wait on it though- I might well be switching a few chapters around in the near future.

BTW, if you want to skip straight to the shower scene it's in Chapter 13. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Ruatha
March 11th, 2003, 06:59 PM
Hmm, now we're talking, shower scene...... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Raging Deadstar
March 11th, 2003, 09:31 PM
Showers scene huh?? *skips merrily to the O&C Thread*

It can't be anything worse than the Aragon and Legolas slash story my friend tried to make me read, oh god the night mares, my unsuspecting little eyes!... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Yeah ruatha that would be great, it would make the aquiring of the chapters quite easier

Thanx a lot for the support guys, hopefully we should be ready soon, then things will be easier to add after the bulk of stuff is done

Ruatha
March 11th, 2003, 10:00 PM
http://ruatha.homelinux.org/ngc.htm
It's the story. So far not arranged otherwise than colorcoded. Will try to phase in later.
(Link not always on-line but most of the time!)

dogscoff
March 12th, 2003, 10:25 AM
It can't be anything worse than the Aragon and Legolas slash story my friend tried to make me read, oh god the night mares, my unsuspecting little eyes!...
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Sounds intriguing. Is it Online somewhere?

(BTW, I assume that's "slash" as in "gratuitous blade-induced maiming" rather than "urination" - which would lead to an entirely different kind of story...)

Hotfoot
March 12th, 2003, 01:41 PM
Originally posted by dogscoff:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">
It can't be anything worse than the Aragon and Legolas slash story my friend tried to make me read, oh god the night mares, my unsuspecting little eyes!...
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Sounds intriguing. Is it Online somewhere?

(BTW, I assume that's "slash" as in "gratuitous blade-induced maiming" rather than "urination" - which would lead to an entirely different kind of story...)</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Err..."Slash" is fan-fiction code for "gay sex", usually between characters who are straight in the original stories.

Hotfoot
March 12th, 2003, 03:07 PM
Originally posted by dogscoff:
Oops... I didn't know that. Given the whole sword/ dagger/ miscellaneous pointy things nature of lotR I assumed it was a horrifically violent blood & guts type thing in the style of a "slasher" movie.

You learn something new every day...<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Yeah, it's rather misleading. I don't know how the term came to be used. Maybe because they slash the original author's intent for the characters to pieces... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/blush.gif

Just a word of warning. Also, Yaoi, Yuri, Hentai, Ecchi, H, Lemon, and Lime are things to look out for as having various types of sexual content.

As for your current story, well...let's just say that if a Cue Cappan ever showed up in Japan, there would be some serious panic going on. Let's hope Othaglot never winds up in a Japanese Girl's School, for the sake of all of our sanity. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif

dogscoff
March 12th, 2003, 04:09 PM
Lemon, and Lime
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I'll never look at a can of 7up the same way again.

dogscoff
March 13th, 2003, 02:19 AM
Err..."Slash" is fan-fiction code for "gay sex", usually between characters who are straight in the original stories.
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Oops... I didn't know that. Given the whole sword/ dagger/ miscellaneous pointy things nature of lotR I assumed it was a horrifically violent blood & guts type thing in the style of a "slasher" movie.

You learn something new every day...

Raging Deadstar
March 17th, 2003, 08:32 PM
Ok guys the layout is finished and i'm about to start making the story pages so can uyou post here and tell me which stories are up to date and i'll start putting them on the site when it's up. If you have an up to date Version offline can you send it to me at deathtomymuses@hotmail.com

Just post here and tell me if you're happy with the Versions Online and if you're not send me an updated Version or i'll wait till you put it Online!

Ok guys, lets hope we're up soon! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Ragnarok
March 18th, 2003, 12:19 AM
I just sent you an email to save you some trouble of having to go through the Hevordian thread to get all the parts of the story.

Ruatha
March 18th, 2003, 03:06 PM
I'll mail you an colorized ver of NGC2 story later. It seems that we might continue on the story even though the Game is terminated after 67 turns http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif
But it won't have any game events to be based upon, it'll be pure fiction from now on, as per before it was all "based upon an actual true event"!

Ruatha
April 3rd, 2003, 06:57 PM
I'll add the new inclusions and mail them to you tomorrow. And this time I actually will do it, I hope, propably, maybe, most likely, if nothing unexpected happens anyway.
Well, I might send it tomorrow.

I'm just as likely to send it tomorrow as any other day.

And I stand by my word, trust me!

Raging Deadstar
April 6th, 2003, 05:32 PM
Just wondering but would authors rather i hosted their stories on the site itself and provide a link to the forums so they could comment on it, or should i just put links to the forum threads? I just wonder because i don't want to make the story threads here obsolete. So what do you think?

Atrocities
April 6th, 2003, 06:10 PM
Do what you think is best. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Ragnarok
April 6th, 2003, 06:41 PM
I don't think if you hosted the stories on your site that it would make the threads here on the forums obsolete. I think most of the story writters here would post their story to their thread and then either you will see another chapter to add or they will inform you that there is another portion of the story to add to your site. But as Atrocities said, do what you think is best. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Ruatha
April 6th, 2003, 06:41 PM
It's your site, do what you think is best.

I'd preferr that you host them seperatly with link to the forum at the end.
That way they will be preserved if the forum get's erased. And also it's possible to colour code it.

Atrocities
April 6th, 2003, 06:54 PM
Once your site is up I am sure most of us will send you our story installments rather than post them here. That way you can update the stories first and have the draw to the site. New story additions are posted to your site first.

After a week or so we can update out threads here. But since most people won't want to dig through the forum to find the beginning of our stories, your site should be the logical choice for those who want to read our dribble from the beginning.

Some place around here I have my first story, New Age the Cleansing. I will have to look for it. It was a semi ok story line about the end of the Star Trek universe as we knew it. I should dust it off, update it, and add a few installments to it as well.

Ah I found a link: http://galileo.spaceports.com/~william/story.htm

[ April 06, 2003, 17:56: Message edited by: Atrocities ]

Raging Deadstar
April 10th, 2003, 07:22 PM
*Bump* civ2buf do you want your story posted on this site? Hopefully it will get more coverage if you do http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

civ2buf
April 10th, 2003, 08:13 PM
If you want that is fine.

I'm playing proportions and I have a feeling its going to Last a LONG TIME, so that will add up to a lot more bits of the story.

Atrocities
April 10th, 2003, 08:34 PM
RD when do you anticipate the site to be going up?

I have another installment or two ready and want to know if I should wait to post them or not.

Raging Deadstar
April 10th, 2003, 08:50 PM
Well it won't be up to the end of april because i have to get an error out the layout and then finish off the fanfiction pages, which will be the greatest effort. So post them up, anyway i want to read them soon so post them on the forums! good luck with your writing http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Ruatha, oooooooh Ruatha http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif You havn't sent me your story... i will be forced to cup my nipples and scream girlishly if you don't! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif

Atrocities
April 11th, 2003, 02:26 AM
RD what are the current stories you have lined up for the FanFiction site?

Ruatha
April 11th, 2003, 11:37 AM
RD.
I've sent it, I'm positive on that. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif
I will try again.
I haven't had any "mail not got through to recipient" return mail.

Anyway, I might have failed in my attempt at mailing, I find it a very complicated process, http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

I will try again today, and do a better job this time!

Ruatha
April 11th, 2003, 02:48 PM
Mailed it to
deathtomymuses@hotmail.com

Is that right?

Raging Deadstar
April 11th, 2003, 07:25 PM
Got it ruatha, looks like my threat did well to get your attention http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

I'll try and hurry up, i'm off school for 2 weeks now and between free love with my girlfriend i think i can manage to finish the site! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

Ragnarok
May 20th, 2003, 09:59 PM
So...how is this project coming RD? Is it nearing completion or are you like me and can hardly find the time for anything anymore. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Ruatha
May 20th, 2003, 11:03 PM
I'll pack up NGC2 later this week, will see if CaptRR will post anymore the next days first.
I hope I didn't ruin anything for hime by ending my part.
I set an unknown date on the Last post so that he'll have freedom to write what he likes in between.

[ May 20, 2003, 22:06: Message edited by: Ruatha ]

Erax
May 22nd, 2003, 02:52 AM
RD, you didn't mention my story but you may put it up on your site if you wish.

I will continue to update it on the forum thread only (I write directly on the Reply window, that's how the process works best for me, I find it less intimidating than a blank word processor page).

Raging Deadstar
May 22nd, 2003, 08:03 PM
Sorry for the lack of updates guys

The Layouts complete and i'm just tweaking bits of it and finishing off a couple of the stories. I'm free for the next week and a half so perhaps i'll get most the stories typed up, i'm currently waiting for my host to make the sub domain for the site but he isn't replying to e-mails or on MSN.

Should be done soon though!

Oh and Erax, i'd be honoured to include your story on the site http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Atrocities
May 26th, 2003, 03:21 PM
Bump

Looking foward to it RD. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Ragnarok
June 12th, 2003, 08:42 PM
Hmm, over 2 weeks since the Last post. This thread dropped to the 3rd page. I think it's bumperama time. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif Any updates?

Raging Deadstar
June 12th, 2003, 09:21 PM
Sorry for the lack of updates, unfortuantly i havn't had much time to redo much of the site, there was a fatal html error that made it screw up in 1024X768 and above. I'll start work soon as i have officially left secondary education and have 1 exam left to go. Then i have 3 months off before doing Higher education, so we should be seeing an update soon, sorry about the wait, when i started this project there wasn't as many fanfics out there, it's a daunting task adding them all! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Ragnarok
June 12th, 2003, 09:35 PM
Originally posted by Senator Raging Deadstar:
Sorry for the lack of updates, unfortuantly i havn't had much time to redo much of the site, there was a fatal html error that made it screw up in 1024X768 and above. I'll start work soon as i have officially left secondary education and have 1 exam left to go. Then i have 3 months off before doing Higher education, so we should be seeing an update soon, sorry about the wait, when i started this project there wasn't as many fanfics out there, it's a daunting task adding them all! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Ahh, it is quite alright indeed RD. No need to hurry along with this project. Take your time with it and he'll wait patiently until it is finally complete. I can certainly understand the matter of not having time to really mess with it much. In fact I know the feeling all to well. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Atrocities
June 13th, 2003, 01:32 AM
Originally posted by Ragnarok:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Senator Raging Deadstar:
Sorry for the lack of updates, unfortuantly i havn't had much time to redo much of the site, there was a fatal html error that made it screw up in 1024X768 and above. I'll start work soon as i have officially left secondary education and have 1 exam left to go. Then i have 3 months off before doing Higher education, so we should be seeing an update soon, sorry about the wait, when i started this project there wasn't as many fanfics out there, it's a daunting task adding them all! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Ahh, it is quite alright indeed RD. No need to hurry along with this project. Take your time with it and he'll wait patiently until it is finally complete. I can certainly understand the matter of not having time to really mess with it much. In fact I know the feeling all to well. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Ditto man. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Atrocities
June 13th, 2003, 01:37 AM
You know one of the good things about having a site dedicated to fan fiction is that you can have other things as well.

Profiles on the authors
Original works
Support imformation
Discussions
Tutorials and other matierals to help people out
Resouce guides (Both for SEIV and individual stories)
Story related items like images and art work
Bash the author and MVP type of awards.

I will be honest with you, Fan Fiction DOES sell people on this game. Especially when they read stories by sachmo's, RD's, Ruatha's, Erax's, and so many many more.

You know, it would be great to have a story or two on the SE V disk. You know a good back story on all of the major races. Hell most of us would jump at the bit for a chance to write a back story for one of twenty races. I know I would. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Raging Deadstar
June 13th, 2003, 11:44 AM
Hehehe If so I bags the Norak!!! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Thank you for the ideas Atrocities, those are very good suggestions, i shall implement them when i get back to work http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Ruatha
August 5th, 2003, 07:37 PM
I've sent the Last Version of NGC2 to both you and Kwok.

There will soon be more from the Dravens in it I hope.