Does homeworld riot?

[Asmala]

I have been told that homeworlds will riot but I have done everything and they are still only angry. So is there way to make them riot? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/confused.gif

[PvK]

Your empire's natural happiness has a big effect, as do troops on the planets, ship in space over the homeworld, ships in the home system, etc etc etc.

Did you try firing on your own ships?

[Asmala]

I have tried out many things. I have modified happiness file "Our Troops on Planet := 100" and then built planet full of troops. I have plagued the planet, killed hundreds of millions of people and kept dozens of other empires' ships on its orbit. Always only angry.

[tbontob]

I think what Pvk was trying to say: When you create your race, under characteristics/happiness, you can reduce your race's natural happiness down to 50%.

[Asmala]

Originally posted by tbontob:
I think what Pvk was trying to say: When you create your race, under characteristics/happiness, you can reduce your race's natural happiness down to 50%.<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Yes I can but that doesn't explain why homeworlds don't riot. So anyone remember seeing homeworld rioting?

[Puke]

i seem to remember homeworlds rioting. im not positive about it, though.

I think it had to do with large numbers of other colonies being destroyed, or obscene numbers of enemy forces in system, or blocading.

but i could be thinking of other large planets, or confusing it with homeworlds being blocaded. its been a while, and my memory isnt all that great.

[Ragnarok]

I've seen homeworlds riot. I can't remember the situation that caused it but I know they rioted because they were my homeworlds.
http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon8.gif
I should run some tests to find out if they riot or not... I shall return...

[Ragnarok]

Originally posted by Ragnarok:
I've seen homeworlds riot. I can't remember the situation that caused it but I know they rioted because they were my homeworlds.
http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon8.gif
I should run some tests to find out if they riot or not... I shall return...<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Ok, back... Just ran some turns with a couple empires in one lone system. I made both races with a happiness reduction and then I built some warships and blockaded some of the planets. (3 planets start for all empires) I could not get the planet to riot, all I could get out of them was Angry and Unhappy.

Hmmm, I wonder now if it was my home planets that were rioting that game. I could've swore it was... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/confused.gif

[Fyron]

Homeworlds will riot. They seem to have a built in bonus to resist rioting, but they will eventually riot.

[PvK]

Hmmm ya I remember my homeworld rioting once, but it was before Gold.

[Fyron]

They riot in Gold as much as they did in pre-gold. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

[Asmala]

Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:
Homeworlds will riot. They seem to have a built in bonus to resist rioting, but they will eventually riot.<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Well, that bonus have to be extremely big. I just tested it with my edited happiness file (Our Troops on Planet := 100) and built the planet full of troops (400). Then I went 50 turns forward: still Angry.

[Asmala]

Perhaps there is some kind of trigger like you have to lose a certain number of planets in a certain time before homeworld riots. Or something else like that.

[Ragnarok]

Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:
They riot in Gold as much as they did in pre-gold. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">That's good, then my game I was talking about was my homeworlds. Had me worried there for a second, though I was losing my memory. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

[Puke]

try a 2 player 10 planet start, in one system. glass 9 planets of one player, and blocade the Last one with 50 ships or so. and plague it.

if that does not work, then maybe Fyron is wrong.

[Ragnarok]

I'll try it now. Be back in a few...

Edit: Ok, I just tried it. I put 10 planets 2 empires, one system. Happiness reduction down to 50% for both races. Neutral happiness type for both. I built a couple ships and glassed nine of one empires planets and put 2 ships on the Last planet and blockaded it. Next turn they were angry. I have now been sitting on the planet for 2 years game time and the planet is back up to Indifferent. Sometimes they drop to unhappy again but by a turn or two they jump back to indifferent.

[ February 20, 2003, 03:13: Message edited by: Ragnarok ]

[Puke]

yeah, unless someone can provide a savegame file that demonstrates the contrary, i am going to guess that the man is right. they cant riot.

[Fyron]

How about a screenshot? I have a PBW game where my HW rioted, but I don't want to post that. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Stupid 1.67 game...

Edit:
Ok... it seems as if my HW was glassed in that catastrophe that caused those riots. *rollseyes* Guess I'll have to prove you wrong some other way. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

[ February 20, 2003, 08:14: Message edited by: Imperator Fyron ]

[Captain Kwok]

I've have never seen HWs riot as they cannot!!!

[ February 20, 2003, 08:26: Message edited by: Captain Kwok ]

[Fyron]

Ok... if 9 glassed large HW planets and 300 ships orbiting the Last HW for decades won't drop it below Angry, I don't know what will. Guess I was wrong and HWs don't riot after all. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

[Asmala]

Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:
Ok... if 9 glassed large HW planets and 300 ships orbiting the Last HW for decades won't drop it below Angry, I don't know what will. Guess I was wrong and HWs don't riot after all. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">At least not 9 glassed large HW planets and 200 ships (ship limit, I didn't remember raise it) orbiting the Last HW 50 turns wasn't enough to drop people happiness below Angry. So perhaps I'm right after all http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

[Fyron]

Well, I emailed MM about this, and here is the response:

A homeworld will never riot. Their anger will go up but it maxes out at 80% (where 100% is required to riot). We had to impose this during beta testing because a newly started empire would have its one homeworld riot and that player's game would effectively be over.<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">A planet designated as your HW cannot ever riot. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif But, if the HW is glassed, then recolonized, it can then be capable of rioting, as it is no longer a HW.

[Asmala]

Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:
Well, I emailed MM about this, and here is the response:

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">A homeworld will never riot. Their anger will go up but it maxes out at 80% (where 100% is required to riot). We had to impose this during beta testing because a newly started empire would have its one homeworld riot and that player's game would effectively be over.<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">A planet designated as your HW cannot ever riot. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif But, if the HW is glassed, then recolonized, it can then be capable of rioting, as it is no longer a HW.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I posted that information to the Newbie FAQ.

[Spoo]

Isn't "Homeworld" a colony type (like "mineral planet"). Would designating a planet as a homeworld be a cheesy way to stop a planet from rioting?

[Fyron]

I don't think that works Spoo. You could try testing it though. I think there is probably a special flag that is set to true for homeworld planets at the start of the game.

[Perrin]

I had homeworlds riot in a v1.78 PBW. Massive enemy ships in systems. Lost colonies. No ships of my own. etc etc.

Perhaps this is new to v1.84.

[Asmala]

Originally posted by Spoo:
Isn't "Homeworld" a colony type (like "mineral planet"). Would designating a planet as a homeworld be a cheesy way to stop a planet from rioting?<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">You can add Homeworld as a new colony type but it doesn't work like homeworld. As Fyron said there is probably some kind of special flag for original homeworlds.

[Fyron]

The answer I got from MM implies that you can not create new "homeworlds" mid-game.