New Tournament starting, Join the 2003 PBW Open tournament [Archive]

geoschmo

March 2nd, 2003, 04:25 AM

Tournament open now. There is a game on PBW where you can signup. I will assign you to your actual game from there.

This will be a double elimination tournament, open to all. The first two rounds will be games of five or six players each. Games will be seeded randomly. Games will be the following settings:

Starting resources: 100000
Starting planets: 1
Home planet value: Good
Score display: Own
Technology level: Low
Racial points: 2000
Quadrant type: Spiral Map
**Maps will be random, but with empires placed so that each player has decent space available.
Quadrant size: Medium
Event frequency: None
Event severity: N/A
Technology cost: Medium
Victory conditions: Last Man Standing
Maximum units: MAX
Maximum ships: MAX
Computer players: None
Computer difficulty: N/A
Computer player bonus: N/A
Neutral empires: No
Other game settings:

Surender disallowed

60 Hour, fully automatic turns

All players will play in the first two rounds. Players will face different opponents in the first and second round if possible. The format of the remaining rounds will be determined by the numebr of remaining players after the first two rounds.

Alliances and tech trading are permitted in game, but all games will be Last man standing. So keep that in mind when trading tech. It will be used against you at some point later in the game. Surrender is not permitted. If a player feels his position is untenable and wishes to withdraw he may do so. His place will be marked finished and the AI will control it to the end. Victor in any game will be the Last viable human empire remaining.

Geoschmo

[ March 06, 2003, 11:56: Message edited by: geoschmo ]

Ragnarok

March 2nd, 2003, 05:57 AM

Sounds great. I signed up. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

primitive

March 2nd, 2003, 07:35 PM

Bump

I just joined.

Some heavyweights in there, this gonna be fun. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Katchoo

March 2nd, 2003, 08:26 PM

I signed up.

Geo, any specific files we'll need for this game, other than the 1.84 patch?

Katchoo

geoschmo

March 2nd, 2003, 09:28 PM

No, no mod. Stock 1.84

Asmala

March 3rd, 2003, 08:28 AM

I'm in!

geoschmo

March 3rd, 2003, 05:36 PM

So I was thinking of kicking this into gear. We've got ten now and that's enough to start two first round games. We can keep taking people into the tourney as long as we want really. At least until we declare the first round over. In fact I could alter things a bit and have the first round games be first come first serve instead of random seeding. Round two would be shuffled to get people playing against new people as much as possible.

I still never thought up a good name for the tourney. Oh well...

Geoschmo

geoschmo

March 3rd, 2003, 08:28 PM

Ok, I have made another change to the tourney. 36 hour turns are great for me, but the idea of the tourney is to make it accesible to as many people as possible, and some people just can't play that often. Instead of 36 hour turns I am changing it to 60 hour automatic turns. Two and a half days. It is my sincere hope that people will nto take the full 60 hours between turns. If you are in a game and you are the only one that hasn't played you can expect to receive emails from me wanting to know what is going on. And anybody missing turns with no explanation will be severly frowned upon. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Geoschmo

geoschmo

March 5th, 2003, 04:07 AM

Two first round games are full, one has already started playing. The third game needs one more player. I had hoped I would get at least 20 players for this, but if 15 is all we get we can make do.

Come on and join!

Geoschmo

geoschmo

March 5th, 2003, 08:12 PM

Ok, making progress now. We have 18. Three full games and looks like we should fill the fourth. I was looking at options for the later rounds and this would really work pretty well if we could get 25 people. But 20 is ok.

The nice thing about this one I think is it shouldn't take forever like the Survivor tourney. Might be able to do it in three rounds.

Geoschmo

Ruatha

March 5th, 2003, 08:29 PM

Can you sign me up?
I can't acess PBW from work and I won't be home until another 16 hours.

geoschmo

March 5th, 2003, 08:56 PM

Ok Ruatha, you are in game 4. As long as people want in though I will keep adding games. I haven't put a time limit or a limit on the number of contestants. Although I'd like to keep the games all of five, at least for the first round. So maybe some people will not get in if we end up with only one or two extras. Unless we throw them in and make a couple games of six. Although that might be hard to do cause I have been starting the games as soon as they fill up so far.

Geoschmo

Ruatha

March 5th, 2003, 09:04 PM

Good.
Will start thinking about empire creation and strategy instead of work now then http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

PsychoTechFreak

March 6th, 2003, 10:17 AM

Alliances and tech trading are premitted in game Is it possible somehow to disable every political/trading interaction? I guess ship/resources/somesuch trading is not intended also, right?

geoschmo

March 6th, 2003, 01:54 PM

Originally posted by PsychoTechFreak:
<blockquote>quote:<hr /> Alliances and tech trading are premitted in game Is it possible somehow to disable every political/trading interaction? I guess ship/resources/somesuch trading is not intended also, right?<hr /></blockquote>Not intended? Are you mis-reading the game description? Hmmm, actually I said "premitted", but that was a typo. It's supposed to say "permitted". Is premitted actually a word that means "not permitted"? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

Hypothetically speaking it's possible to restrict gifts and tributes of any kind, and it's possible to restrict technology gifts or trades. It's not possible to restrict trades involving ships, planets, or anything other than tech. But the question is moot for the purposes of this game because I am not restricting anything. Just keep in mind every game is Last man standing, no alliance victories. So anything you trade can and will be used against you. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Geoschmo

PsychoTechFreak

March 6th, 2003, 03:00 PM

No, I just meant the other-than-tech-trades because it is still thinkable to abuse the trade system to an advantage: 2 players are trading with the premise not to fight against each other until the other 3 players are gone, or similar scenarios.

I like the lonely-wolf-character of the setup. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

geoschmo

March 6th, 2003, 05:22 PM

Originally posted by PsychoTechFreak:
No, I just meant the other-than-tech-trades because it is still thinkable to abuse the trade system to an advantage: 2 players are trading with the premise not to fight against each other until the other 3 players are gone, or similar scenarios.

I like the lonely-wolf-character of the setup. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif Right, and I agree with you, but not everybody does. I think being 5 player games and Last man standing will help to regulate that some.

If you trade everything to your ally, then he will be able to use it against you at the end of the game. But knowing that if you still want to do it, you can. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Just so we are clear, you understand that all tech trading is allowed? I'm probably misunderstanding, but from your comments I couldn't tell if you got that.

Geoschmo

[ March 06, 2003, 15:25: Message edited by: geoschmo ]

PsychoTechFreak

March 6th, 2003, 06:17 PM

Originally posted by geoschmo:
Just so we are clear, you understand that all tech trading is allowed? I'm probably misunderstanding, but from your comments I couldn't tell if you got that.

Ahem, obviously my babel fish just has misunderstood the word "permission to...", but now it is clarified. This happens if I read too fast over game setups, which normally is set to "trade not permitted".

geoschmo

March 6th, 2003, 07:29 PM

Ok, we now have four games of five, twenty contestastants vying for the Open title. I have created a fifth game. If we can get 25 I would be pleased. If we can't get five more though I'll cancel that game at some point and we'll stick with the four games we have now.

If you haven't joined yet and you want to, you might want to try and get some of your friends or regular playing buddies to join too. Signups have kind of slowed to a tickle and I am not sure we'll get five more otherwise.

Geoschmo

Radhil

March 6th, 2003, 09:08 PM

Don't button it up just yet. I'm up for the fifth game, and I should have two more potentials rounded up by the end of the day. Hopefully there'll be just a couple more stragglers...

Radhil

March 7th, 2003, 03:16 PM

Damnit... nevermind, my partners in crime bailed, and it doesn't look like anyone else is showing.

geoschmo

March 7th, 2003, 03:46 PM

I'm still gonna leave it up for a couple weeks. I am in no huge hurry. Two of the other four games haven't even started yet. (Although one has all the empires in and is just waiting on me to make the first turn) If you want to rejoin some people might come along.

Geoshmo

SamuraiProgrammer

March 12th, 2003, 02:53 AM

I checked the pbw and they all look full.

I am interested if there is room for more.

Slynky

March 12th, 2003, 03:36 AM

geo,

I see Samurai is interested and I have a friend who didn't read his email in time to get in round 5 (which filled up REALLY fast).

So, with Samurai and this other guy, if you made a round 6, you'd have 2 others pretty quickly.

Worth a thought, I guess.

Cheers!

geoschmo

March 12th, 2003, 06:42 PM

Heck yeah, the more the merrier. If Samurai and your friends want to play I opened up another game. If we get five great, if not I'll just cancel it.

Geoschmo

Slynky

March 12th, 2003, 07:39 PM

Already have 2 signed up (my friend even got beat to the signup "sheet"). Don't know if the other one was Samurai or not.

So, I'd say the odds of getting a 6th round in place is looking good.

SamuraiProgrammer

March 13th, 2003, 03:30 AM

Woo Hoo!

I'm in.

That's 3... We just need two more!

Slynky

March 13th, 2003, 04:44 AM

Yeaaaa, Samurai! Just 2 more! (glad to see you found a slot)

SamuraiProgrammer

March 13th, 2003, 06:57 AM

Full already?

Maybe there is room for another game?

Slynky

March 13th, 2003, 07:05 AM

Yeah, Samurai...round 6 filled up in one day! Guess word is circulating that this is the tourney to be in!

Good luck to ya!

geoschmo

March 13th, 2003, 03:37 PM

Ok, so that one filled up. Do I dare go for 7? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

SamuraiProgrammer

March 14th, 2003, 03:30 AM

Dare! Dare!

Geckomlis

March 14th, 2003, 06:09 PM

Ok, I am in. We need just two more players for Game 7 to start... just two!

Slynky

March 19th, 2003, 05:29 PM

Originally posted by geoschmo:
Ok, I have made another change to the tourney. 36 hour turns are great for me, but the idea of the tourney is to make it accesible to as many people as possible, and some people just can't play that often. Instead of 36 hour turns I am changing it to 60 hour automatic turns. Two and a half days. It is my sincere hope that people will nto take the full 60 hours between turns. If you are in a game and you are the only one that hasn't played you can expect to receive emails from me wanting to know what is going on. And anybody missing turns with no explanation will be severly frowned upon. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

GeoschmoSo, your setup stipulates a gentlemanly nag for the Last player to submit a turn? (Just asking since it takes about 1 minute to do a turn and yet...well, you get my drift.)

geoschmo

March 21st, 2003, 10:19 PM

Ok, second chance to get in the tournament. I had to kick two players cause they never uploaded empires and didn't answer my emails. If you want to get in on the ground floor...

Geoschmo

phaet2112

March 24th, 2003, 06:36 PM

What room for newbies to pbw? Id like to play, but havent tried my hand against other people, just the computer. And Im relatively new to the game, one of the moo3 disheartened (waiting for gal civ as well), so I dont quite know the entire tech tree yet, but have gotten some good ideas while playing agains the computer. At least Ill be a wild card to do crazy stuff that no one would think of. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

[ March 24, 2003, 16:50: Message edited by: phaet2112 ]

Asmala

May 8th, 2003, 05:32 PM

BUMP

The second game of the first round is over. This game was much faster than others so it looks like we have to wait some time.

Ragnarok

May 8th, 2003, 06:33 PM

Originally posted by Asmala:
BUMP

The second game of the first round is over. This game was much faster than others so it looks like we have to wait some time.Over already?!?! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif I'm in game 1 and I just met my first 2 empires about 8 turns ago. (The game is at turn 39) And everyone is very much alive and kicking.

Asmala

May 8th, 2003, 07:31 PM

Originally posted by Ragnarok:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Asmala:
BUMP

The second game of the first round is over. This game was much faster than others so it looks like we have to wait some time.Over already?!?! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif I'm in game 1 and I just met my first 2 empires about 8 turns ago. (The game is at turn 39) And everyone is very much alive and kicking.<hr /></blockquote>Yeah, it's over http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif . We were all pretty fast submitters so the game went fast, 99 turns before the game ended.

Ragnarok

May 8th, 2003, 07:45 PM

Originally posted by Asmala:
Yeah, it's over http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif . We were all pretty fast submitters so the game went fast, 99 turns before the game ended.Ahh ok, 99 turns makes it sound better. For some reason I had it in my head that you played the same amount of turns as my game and were only at 39. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif (My brain doesn't work all the time.) I was trying to figure out how you could destroy 4 empires in only 40 turns or so. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif Now it makes more sense.

So I'm guessing you won?

Asmala

May 8th, 2003, 08:02 PM

Originally posted by Ragnarok:
So I'm guessing you won?Well, not a bad guess. I indeed won http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

primitive

May 8th, 2003, 10:09 PM

Originally posted by Asmala:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Ragnarok:
So I'm guessing you won?Well, not a bad guess. I indeed won http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif <hr /></blockquote>It was pure luck. Thats my story and I'm sticking with it http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

No seriously. That was a real humiliating experience (for me at least).
Thinking I'm doing quite nicely, and then: BOOM !!! 10 - 15 turns and I'm dead. At least I learned something (hopefully).

Congrats to Asmala for a very well played game. Lucky me who won't have to face him again in round 2.

Slynky

May 8th, 2003, 10:22 PM

Geckomlis

July 2nd, 2003, 06:17 AM

I am playing in the 2003 PBW Open Tournament, rd1gm7. I was just curious how the other games are going. We are up to turn 2410.3, one empire is dead, and the leading two empires’ alliance was sundered recently by large fleet actions in their mutual forward edge of the battle area. To my knowledge, the leading empires have been batting around the two remaining empires at will. The tech level is getting very advanced and each empire’s navy numbers in the hundreds. The real fight for supremacy has just begun… http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif

MayaMax

July 2nd, 2003, 06:01 PM

Game 4, rd1gm4 has ended at 2406.3

Geckomlis

July 2nd, 2003, 06:51 PM

Originally posted by MayaMax:
Game 4, rd1gm4 has ended at 2406.364 turns?! That seems quick for a 5-player game on that size of map. What happened?

Slynky

July 2nd, 2003, 07:12 PM

Game 5

Turn 80. Two empires have withdrawn (leaving AI, I guess). So, there are only 3 players submitting turns.

"Hundreds of ships" ??? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif Guess I have some serioius building to do to get to that level by turn 103!

spoon

July 3rd, 2003, 12:04 AM

Game 3

Turn 66. Probably another 30 turns before the Worms of Woe liberate the galaxy from the wretched tyranny of Other People.

MayaMax

July 6th, 2003, 08:28 AM

Originally posted by geckomlis:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by MayaMax:
Game 4, rd1gm4 has ended at 2406.364 turns?! That seems quick for a 5-player game on that size of map. What happened?<hr /></blockquote>One player did not submit turns,
the other 3 gave up.

Ragnarok

July 6th, 2003, 03:21 PM

rd1gm1 is at turn 57. We haven't had a new turn since middle of June (the 15th). http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif So its taken awile so far.

tesco samoa

July 6th, 2003, 03:32 PM

the 60 hour limit killed our game. No one could get into it. You would forget what you were doing etc... We decided that the best empire should win. So we surrenedered to him.

geoschmo

July 6th, 2003, 04:19 PM

Originally posted by Ragnarok:
rd1gm1 is at turn 57. We haven't had a new turn since middle of June (the 15th). http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif So its taken awile so far.Yep, I'm gonna have to do something about that....

Slynky

July 9th, 2003, 06:46 PM

Game 5 has had 3 players drop leaving me with one other person to play against. I've been in 1st place for quite a while now and seem to have a huge advantage in ships and technology. Unless I'm due for a big surprise, I'd say our game is close to being over.

Rojero

July 9th, 2003, 06:58 PM

I hate when people drop http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif
I would try and play a game till the end, if I need to surrender, thats what the diplomatic screen is for...but just dropping out of a game? For shame!

Radhil

July 9th, 2003, 07:11 PM

Well, when they drop prematurely it's certainly a drag. But then, when you're getting beaten, what other option is there? Just continue to submit turns while you watch your planets being dismantled?

Oh, and hey, Slynky. I'm your Last whipping boy... er, targ... er, opponent. My apologies, I think I've been the one delaying this game as long as it has - haven't had much time for turns. I have a hunch it'll all be over soon.

Geckomlis

July 9th, 2003, 07:37 PM

Originally posted by Rojero:
I hate when people drop http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif
I would try and play a game till the end, if I need to surrender, thats what the diplomatic screen is for...but just dropping out of a game? For shame!Per the 2003 PBW Open Tournament Rules:
-Surrender Disallowed
-If a player feels his position is untenable and wishes to withdraw he may do so. His place will be marked finished and the AI will control it to the end. The victor in any game will be the Last viable human empire remaining.

FYI: I have never "dropped" a game.

In any case, Electrum can perform Intelligence projects against the AI just as well as he could perform them against me. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

Gecko

Electrum

July 10th, 2003, 01:28 AM

Game 7 is at 111 turns. The second place player has now withdrawn. This leaves myself & 2 other empires that are trailing greatly. I expect they will shortly throw in the towel the game will be over.

Rojero

July 10th, 2003, 04:05 AM

Speaking of which Gecko..hehe prepare for my attacks! muahaha
i better go check if its time to download my turn on KOTH...

Electrum

July 11th, 2003, 11:46 PM

After 116 turns, I have finally won rd1gm7. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif
I must commend Satola for his tenacity. He stuck in until the Last dog was hung. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Slynky

July 12th, 2003, 03:05 AM

Originally posted by Electrum:
After 116 turns, I have finally won rd1gm7. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif
I must commend Satola for his tenacity. He stuck in until the Last dog was hung. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif Congrats to you, Electrum! Maybe see you in round 2.

Electrum

July 12th, 2003, 02:06 PM

is there any idea as to when round 2 will start. How many round 1 games are completed? still going?

Joachim

July 13th, 2003, 03:33 PM

Game 6 has just hit 100 turns and I am still alive!!!

Yippee, jumps around a bit and thanks the SEIV Gods... Ok, just because I am no threat and have been ignored by the three leading Empires doesn't mean it is no achievment... This is my first ever PBW game! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif So I am happy just to be alive.

I suspect this game as many turns left....

Joachim of the Silesians.

Slynky

July 17th, 2003, 01:06 AM

Game 5 - 2409.0

Last person surrenders leaving me, well, the "Last Man Standing".

Though it may sound like the Oscars, I'd like to say I couldn't have won if it hadn't been for Mark Pash, who I established a partnership with soon after we met. And though I had little in return to offer, he traded a colonizing tech to me for me being a loyal partner and for what tech I had that he didn't have. I told him straight up that he was giving me more than he was getting. So, I owe my empire success to him.